[amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 report.- Band switching

Sun Aug 5 17:59:41 PDT 2007

Hi John...

The second "source" I quoted is supposedly from Jan King himself and was a
statement he was supposed to have made in an email "after" AO-7 was
"reborn."

I would love to hear your version of what will happen when there is a lack
of eclipse for the satellite...I personally don't see the significance of a
crystal controlled clock on a 24 hour timer which has similar discreet
components which are as likely to fail as a counter.

As for me...I can wait to find out, but as for your opinion of AMSAT, I find
that it is only the "experts" who try to justify their opinions without
facts that are criticized by the people "in the know."

Are you saying AO-7 went up without a timer? Now that's a headline. Are you
saying the timer is no longer functioning? That's entirely possible. Other
than conversations with Jan...how is it you determined that the timer is no
longer "in the mix?"

If AO-7 comes out it's "final" eclipse in Mode A, will it stay there?

Enquiring minds want to know...

Many thanks!

Roger
WA1KAT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hackett" <archie.hackett at hotmail.com>
To: <rogerkola at aol.com>
Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>; <allan_gm1sxx at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 report.- Band switching

> Roger,
>          I have written to James (Duffy) direcly and have given him the
> facts as I know them.
>
> I can assure you that the information in the 1974 Amsat newsletter you
refer
> to is *NOT* ...
> I repeat 'NOT' correct ... with reference to the timer.
>
> Just because something "APPEARS" to be so, and Amsat "SAYS" it is so ...
it
> doesn't necessarily turn that information into a 'FACT' Roger.
>
> I have often been ... (and still am) ... in contact with Jan King and I
> prefer his version to the events re: the timer rather than those related
in
> the 1974 journal ... not least since he actually built and installed that
> timer.
>
> (Much has also been said re: Karl Meinzer's "filter" ... remember !!!
> technology has changed, those components are 31 years old !!!)
>
> If you have a copy of the news sheet Roger, have a look at page 6 (quote)
> .... "accomplished by a crystal controlled clock" ... (unquote).
>
> Without Jan's permission I will NOT retransmit parts of his personal mails
> to me on this bulletin board  but if he assures me ... (and he does) ...
> that there was no crystal used in the timer ... I believe him. He also
> explained to me *WHY* it was thus.
>
> I believe what was in the 1974 News Sheet may have been the plan !!! ...
or
> the wishful thinking, if you will ... but according to the person who
> actually built and installed it ... "t'aint necessarily so!".
>
> Like I have mentioned previously, in other mails, 98% of the data
collected
> over the last 3 years is/was false data ... (GM1SXX wrote a special
program
> just for this particular purpose) ... which, if you look more closely at
it,
> (the data) it often contradicts itself ... but again, you will find
> references to this and the timer on the 'Observations" page at
> <http://www.observations.biz/>
>
> (I have *NOT* published some of my findings on the Amsat-bb since they
> *could* be conscrued as criticism of Amsat ... (which is most certainly
not
> !!! my intent) ... I have seen what happens to anyone who dare have the
> audacity to offer a different opinion to the majority... however, that
being
> said ... what I have found can be read in various articles on the
> Observations site.
>
> People will usually believe what they 'want' to believe Roger ... true or
> not ... and that's fine by me.
>
> In part ... it's a free world.
>
> 73 John.   <la2qaa at amsat.org>
>
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>
>
> >From: "Roger Kolakowski" <rogerkola at aol.com>
> >To: "James Duffey" <JamesDuffey at comcast.net>, <la2qaa at amsat.org>
> >CC: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>, <Eu-amsat at yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 report.- Band switching
> >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:47:41 -0300
> >
> >James Duffey queried...
> >
> > >"When AO-7 is powered all the time doesn't the on board
> > > housekeeping unit control the mode and switch between mode A and Mode
> >B?"
> >
> >
> >"The following information is from AMSAT NEWSLETTER dated Sept 1974
> >
> >The two repeaters are operated alternately by means of a timer
arrangement,
> >but repeater selection and output power control can also be accomplished
by
> >ground command."
> >
> >And . "from Jan King, W3GEY, who provided the following information in an
> >email ...
> >
> >It appears that the 24 hour clock that would cycle the transponders
between
> >modes A and B is working but, it gets reset every time the satellite goes
> >into eclipse"
> >
> >Which by my understanding, will produce a change of mode from A to B (or
B
> >to A if you prefer) every 24 hours with no eclipse event. I believe there
> >have been cases where excessive power drain (usage) has resulted in a
mode
> >change mid-timer, but I haven't been able to document that.
> >
> >Roger
> >WA1KAT
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "James Duffey" <JamesDuffey at comcast.net>
> >To: <la2qaa at amsat.org>
> >Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>; <Eu-amsat at yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:32 AM
> >Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 report.
> >
> >
> > > John  - When AO-7 is powered all the time doesn't the on board
> > > housekeeping unit control the mode and switch between mode A and Mode
B?
> > >
> > > Having a full time Mode B LEO linear transponder is great, in my
> > > opinion, having a Mode A LEO one will be even better. - Duffey
> > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 5:32 AM, John Hackett wrote:
> > >
> > > A study of the AO-7 eclipse charts for the last 3 years shows a
> > > progression
> > > toward non-elipse orbits in late 2007 - 2008.
> > >
> > > In effect, this means that AO-7 in all probability will not change
mode
> > > unless anything untoward happens.
> > >
> > > It also means that we appear to have a permanent mode-B LEO linear
> > > transponder for the forseeable future ... providing operators follow
the
> > > recommended operating proceedure.
> > >
> > > Please *do* decrease your power as the satellite approaches TCA to
> > > avaoid
> > > FM'ing.
> > >
> > > This not only helps the satellite, it helps the other operators in the
> > > passband.
> > >
> > > Don't be fooled by propagation anomolies. The mode-B transponder is
> > > working
> > > well and will continue to do so providing the alligators go and play
> > > somewhere else. Under normal circumstances you do NOT !! need a lot of
> > > power. Please use only the necessary to maintain adequate
> > > communications. If
> > > you can't copy people adequately, you should improve your receiving
> > > capabilities rather than increasing your uplink power ... remember,
> > > aluminium is cheap and it's a lot more user friendly to everyone
> > > concerned
> > > .... with perhaps the exception of your neighbours.
> > >
> > > For all intents and purposes, AO-7 is a QRP satellite. Please treat
> > > it as
> > > such.
> > >
> > > 73 John.   <la2qaa at amsat.org>
> > >
> > >
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