[amsat-bb] Re: ISS & Amateur Voice Comms (R

Mon Jun 4 14:59:09 PDT 2007

Hi miles- just a short response- I no longer wait to hear the astronauts
calling CQ and realize the future operation will be vastly independant of
the crew. Considering the almost exclusive use of simple digipeating packet
for several years, I have been pushing for cross-band repeater operation to
liven things up. Does the digital radio have crossband capability???

Incidentally, the radio I mentioned can be used to monitor both VHF and UHF
simultaneously.

Whatever you do, please consider mostly unattended operation aside from use
by the crew.
I would rather be talking to fellow "space Cadets" on earth than waiting
months for nothing.

Thanks, pat

On 6/4/07, MM <ka1rrw at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Patrick,
> Thank you very much for your comments on the Marex
> Project proposal. We are always interested in hearing
> pros and cons for all projects and welcome
> constructive input.
>
> We believe in the slogan Keep It Simple (KIS).
> When it comes to projects we sometimes Dumb them down
> to make it easier for the ISS crew.  Sure these guys
> are very smart, but they do not have time to find and
> read the manuals for the 50+ radio, etc on ISS.
>
> Examples:
> On Mir Marex flew the Kenwood TM-D7A.  This radio was
> used to run the SSTV project and became the primary
> Voice link.  This and other Kenwood's have a row of
> Program Mode buttons (I call them function buttons).
> They allow you to save different modes of operation
> and can be very complicated.  After reading the
> manuals several times and testing the PM buttons, we
> decided it would be too complicated for the crew to
> understand these buttons, so we disabled them.
> Actually I programmed all of the PM buttons to do just
> the same two items, Go To Channel #1 and Set Transmit
> Power to Low.  That way if the crew hit a PM button
> they did not have to worry about rebooting the radio
> into a different configuration.
>
> Slow Scan TV:
> On ISS, Silicon Pixels custom designed software just
> for ISS.  We chose them because they had the best
> solution at the time for SSTV. However, there off the
> shelf version of software "CPIX" wold have been too
> complicated for the crew to understand.  There were
> many great features that the ISS crew just would not
> have time to learn.  The Silicon Pixels team developed
> a Dumbed down version of software that had just the
> basic features that the ISS crew would need.  We tried
> to make it as simple as possibly by deliberately
> deleting features that were not needed.  And we made
> the Buttons big so the crew could hit them easily
> while floating in Zero-G.
>
> For the new Dual band Radio proposal that Marex has
> put forward, I wanted to again try to Keep it simple.
> I wanted to avoid the problems associated with a true
> Dual-Band radio, such as two volume controls, two
> squelches and a Band switch etc. The ISS crews have
> been having problems with figuring out a "Function
> Button" radio verses a Channel knob radio.  I wanted
> to go back to 1 channel knob, 1 squelch and 1 volume
> control.
> The Icom ID-800 seems to meet most of our requirements
> for Keeping it Simple.  Once we program the radio on
> the ground the ISS crew only needs to know the
> following controls:
>
> Power Switch
> Channel Knob
> Volume Knob
> Squelch knob.
>
> Instructions for changing frequencies, bands or Voice
> Modes will be as follows.
> Turn Channel knob to channel XYZ.
>
> Turning on Packet will be as simple as:
> Turn Channel knob to channel XYZ.
> Push power button on TNC and look for Green LED on
> TNC.
>
> Believe me, it's a lot simpler to use than what we
> currently have in space.
>
> Digital Voice Modes:
> The ID-800 does support digital voce modes and all
> normal Analogue FM modes.  Since our goal is to reach
> as many people as possible, the primary mode will be
> Analog FM voice.  The digital modes wold most likely
> be used for semi-private family communications, etc.
>
> Deliver Time Frame:
> This project is not approved at this time.  We only
> have approval to continue with the Kantronics KPC-9612
> Modem side the project.  Back in the Old Mir days, the
> longest it took me to Pitch a theory to Switch on was
> 15 months (SSTV Mir, Pitch theory September 1997,
> Switch on December 1998).  With ISS, it takes much
> longer.  I am tying to use a radio that will still be
> in production when we go into space.
>
> The next project proposal demonstration is tentatively
> planned for Moscow in Late 2007 or early 2008.
>
> Thanks for your input and support.
>
> Miles
>
> www.marexmg.org
>
>
>
> --- Patrick McGrane <N2OEQ at aceweb.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi miles- de patrick n2oeq- nice to see you thinking
> > of the future. I miss the MIR
> > days. I think there was a simple kenwood dual bander
> > on the MIR. I looked at the icom
> > ID800 and my first impression was that it was not a
> > simple radio and I am not
> > interested in buying a new digital radio to work the
> > ISS. Since there is no rush,
> > please consider other radio models of SIMPLE design.
> > Within the past couple of years I
> > purchased a very easy to operate Yaesu FT8800R dual
> > band rig capable of cross-band
> > repeat, 9600 baud packet, and narrow FM operation to
> > name a few. I looked at several
> > rigs before deciding on it. Of course, it was a
> > personal preference and others may
> > prefer other models but I found this to be my choice
> > for satellite work etc.
> > I think it would be safer to consider a rig that has
> > been around a while that has been
> > refined in production and proven in use. Most
> > important is that it be as simple as
> > possible so as not to be disinteresting to the crew.
> > Well, its all academic since it
> > has to be approved but I'm happy to see you working
> > on it. Thank you!!!!!
> > Take care, pat
> >
> >
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > From    : MM[mailto:ka1rrw at yahoo.com]
> > Sent    : 6/2/2007 7:46:10 PM
> > To      : sraas at optonline.net; amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > Cc      :
> > Subject : RE: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS & Amateur Voice
> > Comms
> >
> >
> >
> > The Amateur Radio stations on board ISS have not
> > been
> > open to regular public access since August 2006.
> > There have only be a few random days when the crew
> > from ISS has been heard calling CQ since then.
> >
> > If you look back in the Amsat Archives, look for
> > message from Ken Ransom for an explanation of the
> > issues.
> >
> > The Marex team is working on proposals to replace
> > the
> > existing ISS ham system with a new simpler to use
> > system. (We have found that on the Space Station Mir
> > projects, some consumer grade ham gear seemed to
> > only
> > have a life span of 2-3 year in 24/7 service while
> > orbiting in space.  All of the ham gear on ISS is
> > over
> > 3.5 years old)
> > The unapproved Marex proposals would be comprised of
> > the following hardware if approved.
> >
> > Icom ID-800 Dual band
> > Kantronics KPC-9212 TNC
> > Slow Scan TV
> > (Off the shelf VOX box, multiple brands are
> > currently
> > being tested for SSTV)
> >
> > Marex welcomes your support
> >
> > www.marexmg.org
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Steve Raas <sraas at optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Has any one been lucky enough to work the ISS on
> > 2m
> > > voice as of late? I call
> > > NA1SS on every pass that Im available to and so
> > far
> > > no dice. ( 3 days 4 or 5
> > > passes )
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
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