[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities

Tue Aug 12 11:26:00 PDT 2008

So is this really what adults do with their free time? Argue about satellite
orbits and the direction of AMSAT?

I agree with Drew's ideas on making change happen. Instead of arguing about
it, run for a BoD position and make the change happen.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ken Ernandes <n2wwd at mindspring.com> wrote:

> What exactly is the most appropriate post regarding this matter?  A
> complete sentence might have helped to make your point clear.
>
> BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something, it's highly
> inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an official announcement.
>
> I am therefore, not sure why you would suggest I keep quiet when I am
> merely asking that people wait until we have a clear announcement before
> effectively (and rudely) telling others the shut up.
>
> 73, Ken N2WWD
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Bill Ress <bill at hsmicrowave.com>
> >Sent: Aug 12, 2008 1:23 PM
> >To: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd at mindspring.com>
> >Cc: k7zt at suddenlink.net, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com>,
> amsat-bb at amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh at comcast.net>
> >Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
> >
> >Ken,
> >
> >Possibly, one of the most appropriate post regarding this matter.
> >
> >As a result of last weekend's BOD and Senior Officer special meeting,
> >I'm confident you'll soon be getting the "AMSAT strategy update" from
> them.
> >
> >So please hold off on your comments until you have the most recent facts
> >regarding AMSAT-NA's planned direction.
> >
> >Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> >
> >Ken Ernandes wrote:
> >> Overruled?  Interesting...
> >>
> >> What I've see in this discussion on the HEO issues appear to be more
> speculative than based on fact or any official announcement from the
> AMSAT-NA BOD.  I personally would consider it premature to summarily declare
> the discussion closed.
> >>
> >> We could, perhaps put it on hold until the AMSAT-NA BOD provides current
> status.  Perhaps it would be better to refrain from inflammatory statements
> with "absolutes" before we have an official statement on the HEO subject.
> >>
> >> 73, Ken Ernandes N2WWD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >>> From: k7zt at suddenlink.net
> >>> Sent: Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM
> >>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com>,
> amsat-bb at amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh at comcast.net>
> >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
> >>>
> >>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
> >>>
> >>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
> >>>
> >>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us
> above LEO
> >>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
> Being
> >>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We
> are
> >>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying
> about
> >>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time
> satellite
> >>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
> >>>> determined...
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
> >>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt at suddenlink.net>
> >>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh at comcast.net>; <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
> >>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> >>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> John:
> >>>>> That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
> >>>>> wrong
> >>>>> with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
> >>>>> The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
> >>>>> significant shift in  organizational strategy if indeed that is the
> plan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell
> folks
> >>>>> that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
> >>>>> anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Joe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh at comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt at suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
> >>>>>>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than
> the
> >>>>>>> mission driving the launch method,  it's a bit like the tail
> wagging the
> >>>>>>> dog
> >>>>>>> don't you think?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission.
> The
> >>>>>> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship
> with
> >>>>>> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems
> to
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
> rather
> >>>>>> than the last step.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>> KD6OZH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Andrew K.
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