[amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...

D. Mynatt dave at mynatt.biz
Sat Jul 19 09:53:22 PDT 2008 

Dee-

When we get our 3m antenna installed we'll be happy to share with the local 
AMSAT people, if we could find them. We will be holding an media event and 
general open house at the installation and ask the local ham clubs in Pueblo 
and Canon City to invite their folks and this time have membership info 
available. I'll also put up AMSAT membership info, although any new folks 
will need classes, help in getting started, and mentoring -not to speak of 
equipment.  We'll ask teachers to invite their students so we can introduce 
schools to the idea of space communications in time for Mark Spencer's ARRL 
Teacher's Institute seminars.

Although it's mainly to support Colorado Space Grant Consortium launches, it 
will be used for ARRL (and AMSAT) activity too if we can get it coordinated. 
I think AMSAT folks are much in need and would be appreciated very much to 
get the mechanics worked out and show how to work satellites with similar, 
but smaller, equipment. AMSAT would be a welcome partner as is ARRL.

The possibilities are there. Would AMSAT be open to finding a way to work 
together?

Dave Mynatt
Program Director
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kc6uqh" <kc6uqh at cox.net>
To: "Dee" <morsesat at optonline.net>
Cc: "Rick Hambly" <w2gps at amsat.org>; <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...


> Dee,
> I am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way I 
> got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis.
> Amsat is not an option for me.
> 1. I have a full time job
> 2. I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt one of 
> thier repeaters.
> 3. My arthritic 6'2" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old child 
> on a commercial aircraft.
> 4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my full 
> time employment.
>
> If someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I used 
> H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. These are 
> not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they want to sell 
> equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.
>
> Art
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Dee
>  To: kc6uqh
>  Cc: bruninga at usna.edu ; AMSAT-BB at amsat.org ; Rick Hambly
>  Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM
>  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
>
>
>  kc6uqh wrote:
>
> Bob,
> There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing 
> project.
>
> Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into
> space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting 
> edge
> technoloigy of today.
>
> Amateur  Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each
> other and everyone has complementry skills.
>
> Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a
> critical mass long enough to complete the project.
>
> I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was
> recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have
> spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I
> worked on.
>
> How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC
> present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a
> bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience
> required to build a satellite?
>
> TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big 
> difference
> between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT 
> is
> not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills 
> to
> make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right 
> skill
> sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with
> soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow
> them to try.
>
> Art, KC6UQH
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: <AMSAT-BB at AMSAT.Org>
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
>
>
>  Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be
> done"...  And most of them are pointed at better "management"...
> Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
>
> The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs
> to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the
> "management and direction" but the actual WORK.  That requires
> volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and
> thick skin,  Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from
> the peanut gallery...
>
> Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers
> we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting
> in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"...  You do
> that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing
> left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
>
> This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to
> the local clubs and all the way to the top.  You'd think by now
> that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have
> about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham
> radio.  Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a
> need and jump in to fill it.
>
> It is very simple!
>
> If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it.  Othwerwise
> "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement,
> and assistance to those that do.  "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and
> complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward.  If you
> don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go
> another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not
> ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making
> progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is
> made in volunteer organizations...
>
> This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30
> years...
> Bob, WB4APR
>
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>  All,
>  I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now.  After a 
> few days of postings, I'd like to chime in.  What has happened in the past
>  with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and 
> decided that "hey, let's do this!"  As friends, they knew each other well 
> and
>  enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings.  On 
> that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style.
>  As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists."
>  The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers.  The other 
> 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show
>   others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes.
>  I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if 
> you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you 
> would
>  get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction.  I only 
> see 4 on the ballot.  So once again, comments are shallow and only
>  potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, 
> experience and direction are flung out into the ether.
>  Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on 
> track.  Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation
>  of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up 
> ideas with action.
>  73,
>  Dee, NB2F
>  NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator
>  East coast   "   "
>
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