[amsat-bb] Re: Organised Chaos.

[Edward Cole]

Dave,

It is obvious that there is a whole generation of Leo-FM sat users 
that are clueless of what ham radio on a Heo linear-tranponder is 
like.  Although it must be harder than a cell phone since so many 
cannot seem to figure out how to operate on the Leos...I would say it 
is not "much" harder than using the local repeater.

I offer an analogy:  Compare all the ham radio contacts that are done 
on HF with the same number of folks trying to talk thru a single FM 
repeater!  First it cannot be done; second the attempt results in 
total chaos with "big fish" eating the little fishes!

I am waiting for the next Heo and hoping it survives better than the last one.

73 Ed - KL7UW

At 12:31 PM 5/14/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:

>John, the operation of FM voice satellites is a travesty for ham radio...
>
>I've been licensed for 57 years, on amateur satellites for 33 years
>(Oscar 7) and the FM voice operation is the most ridiculous
>aberration I've witnessed in all of amateur radio...Pandemonium
>exists here also!!
>
>It is pretty obvious NO COMMUNICATION exists on AO51,
>all of their communication is on here.  Why do they bother to turn
>the radio on???
>
>Many of us attended AMSAT a lot conventions in an attempt to
>discourage throwing that money "down the tubes" on FM voice, to no
>avail.  Someone had an "ax to grind", and several of the existing
>"powers that be" in AMSAT-NA told me to "mind my own business".  They
>were obviously the "ax grinders".
>
>FM voice on the amateur satellites is about equal to the same degree
>of difficulty as a cell phone operation!
>
>No wonder our membership is deteriorating.
>
>Ancient AO7 and present VO52 hopefully are keeping some interest,
>until Europe launches P3E....
>
>That's where my donations go.....
>
>
>
>At 10:14 AM 5/13/2008, you wrote:
>
> >In 17 years of satellite operating - and literally thousands of
> >QSO's, I'm proud of the fact that I have actually had 2 - (that's
> >two, folks) - QSO's on FM. I believe the last one was W3SM/OE on
> >AO-27 about 10 years ago.
> >
> >For want of something better to do today I went outside with my
> >arrow aerial, a MYCOM handheld scanner and a little IC-E91 (also
> >handheld) to have a listen to AO-51 ... (I've heard it described 
> as a "zoo").
> >
> >I monitored the 16:15Z pass over Russia/LA/Europe/UK and what I
> >heard can only be described as the worst operating I've heard in 41
> >years of radio.
> >
> >
> >I also sincerely hope that the standard of operating (read:
> >disipline/ proceedure) is better in North America than it is in
> >Europe - actually, I've listened via N1DID and Echolink, as well as
> >the promo video so I know it is.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             73, Dave, WB6LLO
>                 dguimon1 at san.rr.com
>
>                     Disagree: I learn....
>
>                Pulling for P3E...
>
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