[amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations,

Fri May 30 22:18:40 PDT 2008

Folks:
Is it too much to ask for just a little bit of accountability for projects 
that exist as a result of public donations?  If any organization can't do 
that then they shouldn't solicit donations.  It is really a very simple 
concept. One shouldn't get their head snapped off just for asking the 
question about the status of a given satellite project!
 BTW: What is the latest status on PE3?

 For Christ Sake  LIGHTEN UP!  Either it is a viable project or it isn't. 
If benchmarks and milestones were applied to the project and they were made 
TRULY public undoubtly donations would go through the roof!  .

Most folks on this board got a taste of the early RS Satellites, AO-10 and 
AO-40 and got a great deal of satisfaction from working those.  I"m 
confident that if the people on this board were to vote, most would vote for 
HEOs. with  linear transponders and not in airborne FM Repeaters.   NEWS 
FLASH it ain't rocket science!

Please get off of your self righteous high horses. most of us don't have the 
luxury of  working in the satellite field on a daily basis.

Finally I will support any project that is dedicated to getting the first 
HEO with linear transponders deployed as long as the leadership is result 
oriented and devoted to accontability.  Is that really too much to ask from 
ANY orgnization? Even my local Amateur Radio Club can manage that!

One final note,  we can work repeaters any time on 146.340 / 94 if we wanted 
to.

10-4 good buddy!

dos centavos
.73's
DE, Joe, K7ZT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it>
To: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>; "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations,

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:00 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
>
>> > There seems to be a proliferation of satellites
>> > using the Amateur bands as cheap down links,
>> > and using Radio Amateurs as a cheap way of
>> > collecting their data. It is MY personal belief
>> > that a satellite should only use our hard-earned
>> > and much coveted frequencies if they REALLY do
>> > carry an Amateur Radio payload... I.E.
>> > a Transponder!
>>
>> While I too like to see transponders, I do not like to see all
>> the negativizim, hate and rabble-rousing against those who
>> actually get something into space.  The self-richeous nay-saying
>> comments are about as practical as these:
>>
>> "Those HF contesters should not be using the Amateur Bands, they
>> should be passing useful communications or traffic!"
>>
>> "Those Traffic passers are not real amateur operators, because
>> they will not respond with QSL's!"
>>
>> "Those old fud rag chewers on HF think they own the frequency.
>> They should let others use the frequency for more useful
>> communications"
>>
>> "Those FM commuters are just wasting air time, saying the same
>> old thing every day.  Why don't they just use a cell phone!"
>>
>> "Those AM guys are just wasting 6 KHz of spectrum, they should
>> be made illegal on the amateur bands"
>>
>> "Who wants to look at all those SSTV pictures,  Its just the
>> same old post-card!  They should not be using 3 KHz of bandwidth
>> for such stupid applications"...
>>
>> "Those Winlink guys are killing amateur radio by turning the
>> bands into an automatic communications system."
>>
>> "Those Echolink and IRLP links are bad for ham radio.  Why don't
>> they just use HF or a phone if they want to talk to someone far
>> away."
>>
>> "Those Radio control Airplanes operating on the Amateur band
>> should never be there, they are not communications".
>>
>> "Those experimental Balloons just transmit pictures and
>> telemetry, without a transponder, they have no purpose in
>> Amateur Radio"
>>
>> And on and on...
>>
>> Face, it.. Ham radio is as rich in applications as there are
>> innovative and resourceful people.  If you want something done,
>> then go do it.  If you don't like what others are doing with
>> their hobby, then get out of the way.
>>
>> Public negativizim and constant complaining never accomplishes
>> anything except darken our collective hobby.  Save that for the
>> politicians who are supposed to respond to their constituents.
>> For a hobby that is just the collective "us" with each licensed
>> individual having the same equal opportunities as everyone else,
>> complaining about what others do is just pointless.
>>
>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
>
> Hi Bob, WB4APR
>
> You cannot get out of the way those Amateur Radio users actually 
> requesting
> OSCAR's Satellites with on board transponders because the Amateur 
> Satellite
> Service started when in 1972 OSCAR-6 was launched and thousand's of the
> above maltreated and by you offended HF users decided to abandone the
> Amateur Service to enter into a more bright and promising Amateur 
> Satellite
> Service.
> The above thousand's HF users invested worldwide a lot of money and a lot
> of efforts to convert their HF stations into VHF/UHF/SHF Satellite 
> Stations
> with the purpose to get a more communication efficiency against the 
> problems
> due of propagation using short waves.
> Without the above prerequisite the Amateur Satellite Service never would
> had spring up.
>
> Read please this "Brief History" written into page-1 of the AMSAT-UK
> OSCAR-13 Operations and Technical Handbook 1989
>
> "Amateur radio satellites have gone through three phases; phase 1:
> experimentation to find the possible; phase 2: long life, low orbit
> satellites to gain experience; and phase 3: high altitude orbits with
> complex transponding and control systems.
>
> Phase 1 started when OSCAR-1 was launched on 12 December 1961 and phase 2
> was led by OSCAR-6 in October 1972. Amsat's first attemp for phase 3 (the
> satellite known only as phase 3A ) failed when the experimental Ariane
> rocked plunged into the South Atlantic in May 1980 . Amsat second attemp
> for phase 3 partially succeeded in June 1993 when OSCAR-10 was released
> into space . The world's radio amateurs after more than 10 years of low
> orbit satellites and associated short visibility periods, at last tasted
> Amsat's policy of equivalence to a permantly open 14 MHz band with
> practically world wide communications.
>
> OSCAR stands for Orbital Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio and a satellite 
> is
> a package equipped with solar cells, batteries, receivers, and 
> transmitters,
> aerials and control electronics.
> The batteries are charged by the solar cells whenever the satellite is in
> sunlight.
> Signal received in part of one amateur band are retransmitted in part of
> another amateur band.
> Unlike terrestrial, single frequency, analog repeaters ,the satellite 
> relay
> system (called a transponder ) will translate linearly any type of
> narrow-band signal such as CW, SSB, RTTY, NBFM, or AM although only
> the first four are recommended, being power-efficient and RF low duty 
> cycle
>                                                 --------------------
> Bob,
> This is why the above thousands Satellite Experimenter's and User's
> mostly coming from the HF are actually waiting for P3-E and her
> transponders. Read again please:
>
> ".................when OSCAR-10 was released into space . The world's 
> radio
> amateurs after more than 10 years of low orbit satellites and associated
> short visibility periods, at last tasted Amsat's policy of equivalence to 
> a
> permanently open 14 MHz band with practically world wide communications."
>
> I hope that the original unchanged AMSAT's policy will be now clear for
> you.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
> Past President
> AMSAT-Italia
>
>
>
>
>
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