[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me

[k0vty@juno.com]

Hi Bob (N4HY)

Thanks for taking the time to ponder for the BB and me some of the twists
and turns 
of ITAR issues.

I hope the BB apprecaites your time and effort.
Here are a few more questions?

8.) How do exclusionary zones with in the US work as in the AO-40
integration and shipping
     zone, as it relates to ITAR?
9.) How does Amsat-NA insure ITAR security among it's own engineering
staff?
10.) Does the German Government have ITAR like laws for the AMSAT-DL
folks to follow?
11.) Are there any ITAR shipping limitation involved as to methods and
ports?

Global is getting to mean many things it would appear.

Thanks you sir, when you get more spare time .

Regards

Joe Murray K0VTY


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:18:52 -0400 Bob McGwier <rwmcgwier at gmail.com>
writes:
> k0vty at juno.com wrote:
> > Greetings All:
> >  
> > The Amsat BB is a great source of information we all know:
> > I have a few questions about ITAR that I thought might interest 
> more than
> > I.
> > I tried to be careful of the words I used.
> >  
> > 1.) Do all launched satellites that have US components or 
> interests fall
> > under ITAR? 
> >   
> Yes
> > 2.) When does ITAR interest begin for a launchable Amateur 
> satellite?
> >   
> The minute you wish to discuss what is in it with someone who is not 
> a 
> US national or want to ship the thing overseas for launch.
> > 3.) Is software and firmware that is a part of a Amateur satellite 
> at
> > launch fall under ITAR?
> >   
> Most definitely
> > 4.) Who normally handles University Cube Sat ITAR issues when 
> Amateur
> > frequencies are used?
> >   
> Depends on who is going to do the launch but Cal Poly has been 
> involved 
> for sure.
> > 5.) Who normally handles US Military school Cube-Sat ITAR issues 
> when
> > Amateur frequencies are use ?
> >   
> U.S. government entities have a form of an exemption because they 
> are a 
> component of the U.S. government (and not a for profit company which 
> 
> might be tempted to sell intellectual property to the highest 
> bidder) 
> and those equities are handled differently.  Even then, ITAR only 
> comes 
> into play if non-U.S. citizens are involved in the program and/or an 
> 
> overseas launch is envisioned.
> > 6.) When is there no ITAR interest in a Amateur satellite? 
> >   
> There is interest.  That is what is causing us so much grief.  It 
> has 
> effectively ended the participation of AMSAT-NA in Phase 3E.
> > 7.) Did Suitsat one or two (ARISSaT-1) have any ITAR problems 
> since they
> > are satellites
> >       using Amateur frequency?
> >   
> NASA is able to work through different channels than AMSAT has to in 
> 
> order to get things launched to the space station.  AMSAT-NA will be 
> 
> responsible for ALL transfer of components for ARISSat 1 to the 
> launch 
> site.  We might get assistance from some places in the government 
> but it 
> will be handled as an export request and we  will have to show how 
> we 
> will protect the equities that need protecting under ITAR.
> >  
> > I have more ITAR related questions.
> >  
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Joe  K0VTY
> > ==================== 
> >   
> 
> ANY aspect dealing with a satellite, software, hardware, ground 
> stations 
> (hardware, software, protocols, etc.), ideas, random ejaculations 
> from a 
> diseased mind or whatever that deals with spacecraft or ground 
> stations 
> are DEEMED EXPORTS when they depart a U.S. citizen and are delivered 
> to 
> a non-U.S. citizen.  It is a nearly impossible task to abide by and 
> one 
> that really makes me want to throw my hands up in despair and walk 
> away.
> 
> There are exceptions for classrooms and courses taught in U.S. 
> university's.  A person, even a non-U.S. citizen, who can pay for 
> taking 
> a course, may go and involve themselves in course work, even if it 
> is 
> dealing with the design, construction, and control of spacecraft 
> during 
> the course work.  Some of this applies to your earlier questions but 
> for 
> US service academies,  there are very few non-U.S. citizens in 
> them.
> 
> Bob
> N4HY
> 
> 
> 
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