[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011

[Zachary Beougher]

Hi Joe and Group,

I would have to say that if Michael's (K4MOA) QSO was not confirmed based 
upon remembering the call sign, 95% of the QSOs in my log are not confirmed.

Many of us use recorders because of the obvious reason - we have one hand to 
hold the Arrow, Elk or tripod, and the other hand is busy with an HT (or in 
my case, 2 HTs).  There is no hand available to right call signs down. 
Another obvious reason behind the recorder is that most people cannot go 
outside and stand for a 15 minute pass, work __# of stations, and then go 
back inside and recall all the call signs, grid squares, RST reports, etc. 
If we could all recall all of the info like this, recorders would not be in 
use.  If recorders were not being used, what would we do?  You could either 
type it into the computer, or you could write it down on paper.  This brings 
about the question of, why write it on paper?  The bottom-line reason for 
writing it on paper is you don’t want to forget it, the same reason for a 
recorder.  If you were going to remember it, why right it down?  Even after 
taking a memory course a few months ago in college I can't go outside and 
remember everything.  This sounds like a lot to ask of someone.  Most passes 
are fast pace and crazy.  You are not going to be able to remember every 
station you worked, especially if you are working from a boundary, etc.

In my mind, a QSO is confirmed when the two operators have a successful 
relay of information between each other.  Example:  "K4MOA this is WP3PZ, 
FK58" - "WP3PZ, this is K4MOA, EM95, QSL?" - "QSL, 73"    To me, this is a 
confirmed QSO.  When K4MOA goes inside, if he cannot remember the EXACT call 
of the station(s) he worked, that is not an issue of the QSO was not 
confirmed, it is an issue of K4MOA got a phone call right as he walked in 
the door and forgot the call sign of the station he worked.  I know this 
sounds like a silly scenario, but it is reality. To me, a confirmed QSO 
happens at the mic, not when you are listening to a recording, or how good 
your memory is.  I don't remember reading anything in the Tech or General 
books about you must remember every call sign for a QSO to be confirmed. 
Now, if you repeated the call back to the station incorrectly, then it is 
between you and your conscience; but if you could say his call back to him 
correctly, but just happened to forget it, I would still call this 
confirmed.  If you have a base station and have the ability to sit at a desk 
and type it directly into a computer or write them down on a piece of paper, 
that is great, but most of the portable equipment ops are going to use a 
recorder.

I apologize I am repeating the same things over and over.  I would be 
interested to hear a few other's opinions on this.  Maybe I am the one that 
has it backwards.

73!

Zack
KD8KSN

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:42 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a 
recording?2/5/2011

Now in My MIND

this was not a valid QSO,,  the information was NOT all done on the
radio,  never mind he had the call wrong.

BUT even if he did work WP3T,

he did not know he did it

it took YOU and YOUR station to let him know it.  so even if the call he
thought he copied was right I would never ever think this as being a
valid qso.  now if the tape he made had worked fine and he later
determined that he copied the call wrong  it still even then is not a
valid qso.

even if he had the call right is a grey area to me that it was a valid qso.

Joe WB9SBD

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On 2/6/2011 1:09 PM, Rick - WA4NVM wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I jumped on that one to quick.  I just listened to my recording and you
> worked
> WP3PZ.
>
> Sorry about the error,
> Rick
>
>
>
>> Hello to the group -
>>
>> My recorder battery died during a pass of AO-51 yesterday (2/5/2011) I
>> think
>> the pass was approximately 18:53 UTC - it was a mainly east coast pass. 
>> I
>> made a contact with WP3T, I believe, which is why I rely so much on my
>> recorder.  Many of you know how bad I mess up calls so I may have the
>> suffix
>> of the call incorrect.  I just failed to notice the battery was running
>> low.   If anyone may be able to help me out I would appreciate it...
>>
>> Thanks in advance and I hope everyone enjoys the 10 hours of Super Bowl
>> Pre-Game...
>>
>> 73's,
>>
>> Michael, K4MOA
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