[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011

[Zachary Beougher]

Hi,

>Neither Nigel or I said that.

Sorry I didn't clarify - I was referring to your opinion on the use of
recorders in general.

What has me a little confused right now is why some DO NOT think it is okay
to use someone else's recording.  In the case of a recorder failing because
of dead batteries, you can't blame that on the op - his recorder died.
There is nothing wrong with WHAT recording he uses.  Why does K8YSE post all
those recordings to his website?  I understand what everyone says about not
using someone else's recording because your receiving was bad, you went 
behind
the tree or house, or something else that is dependent upon the operators
station, and I agree.  But a recorder going dead is no one's fault - its
dead.  Find another recording if possible and log it.  I wouldn't consider
using someone else's recording as they are logging it for you.

I respect all of the opinions here - different opinions and ideas help
develop the hobby.  We need to keep in mind this is a HOBBY - hobbies are
supposed to be enjoyable.  There are definitely rules and regs that must be
followed, but I don’t think it's worthwhile to get caught up in WHOSE
recording you use, what antenna you use, how you say your call sign, etc.,
etc.  Let's just enjoy the hobby!

With that I am going to sign with you all on this discussion.....

73!

Zack
KD8KSN

-----Original Message----- 
From: Edward R. Cole
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 7:06 PM
To: Zachary Beougher ; Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a
recording?2/5/2011

Zack,

Neither Nigel or I said that.  Burden of proof of
contact lies with the stations making the
contact.  Use of a recorder is OK (what I said),
but relying on others to log your contact is
not.  The farthest one can stretch that is if the
other station in the QSO confirms that you and
they completed a contact.  And that is not kosher
under eme rules (as I have pointed out).  But
then is "ordinary" ham radio where the rules are more lenient.

But for these contacts to "count" toward awards
such as WAS or DXCC, or in a contest, you must
enter your log.  Asking others what they heard
would be considered cheating.  If you operate
satellites for personal pleasure with no regard
to awards, standings, etc. then it matters only
to your own personal standard of operation.

But be aware that others may not agree :-\

73, Ed

At 01:51 PM 2/6/2011, Zachary Beougher wrote:
>Hi Ed and Nigel,
>
>I agree this is reasonable as well.  I don’t see an issue with using
>someone else's recordings because your batteries died, as long as you heard
>the QSO, repeated the other station's call back, etc., as I said in my
>original email.  If you aren't for sure if the station came back to your
>call or if he confirmed he heard you because you lost the bird or went
>behind a tree, then that's a different story.
>
>I also think it's good to have a little grace - we can't expect a
>first-timer to the sats to jump on and copy and repeat all call signs 100%.
>When I first started, all I said was a "QSL," or "copy that."  I imagine I
>frustrated a few ops who were wondering who I was QSLing. ;-)
>
>73,
>
>Zack
>KD8KSN
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Edward R. Cole
>Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:24 PM
>To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb at amsat.org
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a
>recording?2/5/2011
>
>At 01:14 PM 2/6/2011, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder,
>>packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have
>>a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used
>>for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your
>>shack, that's fine.
>>
>>The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can
>>tell you the details.
>>If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails,
>>so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the
>>rest of the world to be your log keeper.
>
>I agree with this!
>
>
>
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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