[amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.

Mon Feb 21 08:39:09 PST 2011

Agree... There is only a handful of AMSAT people, however, many more
operators actually using the Sats can be more helpful.
Dee, NB2F 
Think before pushing the PTT button.
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From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Mark L. Hammond
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 10:46 AM
To: wa4hfn at comcast.net
Cc: AMSAT; Tom Schuessler
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.

Okay, this one perplexes me--what in the world can the "powers to be at
amsat" do to fix this?  About the only thing I can imagine is AMSAT helping
with education on appropriate behavior, etiquette (following good operating
practice and rules!).

That being said--eclipses are getting shorter and nearly gone.  With that we
will be announcing a change in the operating modes for AO-51, so things will
at least change in the next few days.

It's up the operators to determine if things get better or worse...not "the
powers that be at AMSAT."

WE ARE AMSAT :)

Mark N8MH

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:41 AM, <wa4hfn at comcast.net> wrote:

> This is and will be an ongoing problem until the powers to be  at 
> amsat do something about the mess on the FM birds . Tom  you are 
> preaching to the choir here because most of the offenders have no idea
that this BBS is here.
> If the FCC stopped long enough to monitor this madness, they would 
> likely have Amsat shut it down. BUT it is our job to police the ham 
> bands.I guess that might mean we need to write down the bird,call sign 
> ,date ,mode, and time and try to contact the offender and explain to 
> the operator the trouble they are causing and offer them some advice on
how to operate on the birds.
>  Amsat wants users and needs members but this madness has to be 
> corrected. I would not do a satallite demo any where and let people 
> hear the mess that is ever present now and even worse on the weekends. 
> Amsat needs to address this issue and offer a solution before the 
> responsible operators givenup and quite dealing with the birds.
> Thats my 2 cents worth  AGAIN
> WA4HFN Damon EM55
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Schuessler" <tjschuessler at verizon.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:29:20 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb]  Considerate satellite operations behavior.
>
> Hi all,
>
> I do not have the dollars yet to upgrade to an all mode radio to be 
> able to do SSB/CW operations so FM is my lot for now.  I love early 
> mornings on
> AO-51 and later in the evening SO-50 and SO-67 when available because 
> the roar of the crowd is significantly less.  That being said, I like 
> to give
> AO-51 or AO-27 a try once in a while in the afternoons to make a few 
> Qs but find myself more often than not put off by the sheer mess found
there.
>  Only
> been doing this for 8 months with 260 QSOs on an irregular schedule so 
> maybe I am out of line here, but I will throw out some observations 
> anyway.
>
> The for me 2210Z 20-Feb, 2011 pass was a typical example of what makes 
> this part of the hobby hard to promote.  I know that many of you are 
> conscientious operators and do not try stomp on others but there are 
> some out there who just don't seem to understand that there is a 
> proper way to do this that will maximize the number of QSOs that 
> actually get completed on a given pass.
>
> I don't know how many times I heard someone call another station but 
> when that second station answers, somebody else comes right on top and 
> obliterates the poor guy with a totally unrelated call.  I have had a 
> station call me back only to have his exchange blown out of the water 
> by somebody else who is apparently not listening to the fact that 
> several seconds  of an exchange has already occurred.
>
> I am sure I was the cause of some interference this afternoon 
> attempting to jump in after an exchange to get my call out there.  I 
> try however, if it appears that I with my 5W handheld and Arrow, are 
> not making it through the current pileup, will wait 3 or 4 minutes 
> until the pass has progressed some and try it again.  Yes I know it is 
> FM and I should not expect better but honestly I know it can be.  
> Several times I heard a weak voice that sounded like a youth trying to 
> get in but nobody paused enough to give the poor kid a shot.  I made 
> three Qs that pass but the kid got none and probably walked away thinking
he had just wasted his time.
>
>  I will be at a hamfest in a few weeks and plan to do a few 
> demonstrations of FM satellite work with my Arrow there and know that 
> many folks will just wag their heads and decide to never try at all 
> because of the noise and disorganization.
>
> Another issue I hear is stations calling but not apparently hearing 
> anything but they continue to call anyway and cause interference.  A 
> recent SO-50 pass in the evening had 6 or seven stations calling but 
> only one or two QSOs actually took place as nobody seemed to be 
> listening to the right frequencies.  I would request that the person 
> who keeps up with the Satellite status pages on the AMSAT web site 
> please post the reality the SO-50 downlink is really about 5Khz lower 
> than the published 436.795.  If that were really the case, than I 
> should always be starting a pass on my handeld at 436.805 but if I go 
> there, I hear nothing much and always end the pass way down at 436.780 
> instead of .785.  Since we always recommend that new operators look to 
> AMSAT.org for their basic information, it needs to be kept current.  
> If the information is wrong then people have to go through the trial 
> and error method to find out the truth.
>
> Hopefully these remarks will not offend but will serve to spur us all 
> to improve the way we do things so others can too have a shot at 
> making contacts.
>
> Tom Schuessler
> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive
> Irving, Texas  75060
> 972-986-7456
> 214-403-1464 (Cell)
> n5hyp at arrl.net
>
>
>
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