[amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.

Mon Feb 21 14:51:37 PST 2011

This the parking lot at rush hour problem.  Try a pass at 2am and you
won't have to fight.  You may not find anyone to talk to even.

73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, k6yk <k6yk at juno.com> wrote:
>
> There's nothing AMSAT can do about lids.  Lids are lids and they
> are everywhere on the hambands, not just satellite.  I would suspect
> that the ones you're complaining about don't read this list, or talk to
> any
> other hams.   We do all this writing, but the people who need to read it
> don't.
>
> The madness on the birds is minor compared to what it is on HF  at times.
>
> (Not all the time)...
>
> Doing a demo on a SSB/CW bird would be much nicer.  It's much more
> civilized most of the time.
>
> 73,
> John K6YK
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:41:10 +0000 (UTC) wa4hfn at comcast.net writes:
>> This is and will be an ongoing problem until the powers to be  at
>> amsat do something about the mess on the FM birds . Tom  you are
>> preaching to the choir here because most of the offenders have no
>> idea that this BBS is here. If the FCC stopped long enough to
>> monitor this madness, they would likely have Amsat shut it down. BUT
>> it is our job to police the ham bands.I guess that might mean we
>> need to write down the bird,call sign ,date ,mode, and time and try
>> to contact the offender and explain to the operator the trouble they
>> are causing and offer them some advice on how to operate on the
>> birds.  Amsat wants users and needs members but this madness has to
>> be corrected. I would not do a satallite demo any where and let
>> people hear the mess that is ever present now and even worse on the
>> weekends. Amsat needs to address this issue and offer a solution
>> before the responsible operators givenup and quite dealing with the
>> birds.
>> Thats my 2 cents worth  AGAIN
>> WA4HFN Damon EM55
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Schuessler" <tjschuessler at verizon.net>
>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:29:20 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb]  Considerate satellite operations behavior.
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I do not have the dollars yet to upgrade to an all mode radio to be
>> able to
>> do SSB/CW operations so FM is my lot for now.  I love early mornings
>> on
>> AO-51 and later in the evening SO-50 and SO-67 when available
>> because the
>> roar of the crowd is significantly less.  That being said, I like to
>> give
>> AO-51 or AO-27 a try once in a while in the afternoons to make a few
>> Qs but
>> find myself more often than not put off by the sheer mess found
>> there.  Only
>> been doing this for 8 months with 260 QSOs on an irregular schedule
>> so maybe
>> I am out of line here, but I will throw out some observations
>> anyway.
>>
>> The for me 2210Z 20-Feb, 2011 pass was a typical example of what
>> makes this
>> part of the hobby hard to promote.  I know that many of you are
>> conscientious operators and do not try stomp on others but there are
>> some
>> out there who just don't seem to understand that there is a proper
>> way to do
>> this that will maximize the number of QSOs that actually get
>> completed on a
>> given pass.
>>
>> I don't know how many times I heard someone call another station but
>> when
>> that second station answers, somebody else comes right on top and
>> obliterates the poor guy with a totally unrelated call.  I have had
>> a
>> station call me back only to have his exchange blown out of the
>> water by
>> somebody else who is apparently not listening to the fact that
>> several
>> seconds  of an exchange has already occurred.
>>
>> I am sure I was the cause of some interference this afternoon
>> attempting to
>> jump in after an exchange to get my call out there.  I try however,
>> if it
>> appears that I with my 5W handheld and Arrow, are not making it
>> through the
>> current pileup, will wait 3 or 4 minutes until the pass has
>> progressed some
>> and try it again.  Yes I know it is FM and I should not expect
>> better but
>> honestly I know it can be.  Several times I heard a weak voice that
>> sounded
>> like a youth trying to get in but nobody paused enough to give the
>> poor kid
>> a shot.  I made three Qs that pass but the kid got none and probably
>> walked
>> away thinking he had just wasted his time.
>>
>>  I will be at a hamfest in a few weeks and plan to do a few
>> demonstrations
>> of FM satellite work with my Arrow there and know that many folks
>> will just
>> wag their heads and decide to never try at all because of the noise
>> and
>> disorganization.
>>
>> Another issue I hear is stations calling but not apparently hearing
>> anything
>> but they continue to call anyway and cause interference.  A recent
>> SO-50
>> pass in the evening had 6 or seven stations calling but only one or
>> two QSOs
>> actually took place as nobody seemed to be listening to the right
>> frequencies.  I would request that the person who keeps up with the
>> Satellite status pages on the AMSAT web site please post the reality
>> the
>> SO-50 downlink is really about 5Khz lower than the published
>> 436.795.  If
>> that were really the case, than I should always be starting a pass
>> on my
>> handeld at 436.805 but if I go there, I hear nothing much and always
>> end the
>> pass way down at 436.780 instead of .785.  Since we always recommend
>> that
>> new operators look to AMSAT.org for their basic information, it
>> needs to be
>> kept current.  If the information is wrong then people have to go
>> through
>> the trial and error method to find out the truth.
>>
>> Hopefully these remarks will not offend but will serve to spur us
>> all to
>> improve the way we do things so others can too have a shot at
>> making
>> contacts.
>>
>> Tom Schuessler
>> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive
>> Irving, Texas  75060
>> 972-986-7456
>> 214-403-1464 (Cell)
>> n5hyp at arrl.net
>>
>>
>>
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