[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01

[Gary "Joe" Mayfield]

Mike,

     I find myself calling in the pile on HF on occasion (I'm working on
helping my HF signal this week).  Getting through on satellite is much
easier and faster.  Back when we had AO-13 and AO-10 we also had AO-21 (FM
Bird).  The FM bird was pretty much the same in those days.  You are correct
it is a lot like contesting.  I actually enjoy the quick exchange format of
the FM birds.  I really don't understand why other folks feel the need to
complain about it-- if you like it join us -- if it's not your cup of tea,
there are many other facets of Ham radio available.

73,
Joe kk0sd

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:59 AM
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 pass at 22:06 UTC 2011-10-01

Hi,

While I do agree with the below, one thing we should keep in mind though is
that there's a difference
between a pile-up on HF and on an FM sat. Not everybody on the sat may be
actually interested in
working that particular station so we also have to give those some room (in
that 10 minute pass). On 
HF the time it takes to work the pile-up is usually a lot longer than that.

One thing I'd be interested to explore though would be how many of the folks
that work the FM sats 
regularly actually do work DX on HF and often find themselves in a pile-up
trying to get through 
quick and clean. This is out of pure interest and may help make it easier
for some.

The other problem is that before the madness starts, there are always other
stations already working
contacts before the "rare grid" station comes into the footprint. 

Of course the best solution would be to get on the linear birds, we all win
the lottery so that we can launch
another Phase III sat or two and it would'nt be a problem anymore. (Ok, ok
.. just teasing).

73 Mike K5TRI

On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:09 PM, James Duffey wrote:

> Sebastion - Good points. Here are some more. 
> 
> The best contest and pileup ops are those that get it right the first
time. If you ever see a video of a  high rate contest station or DXpedition
it doesn't seem like they are going that fast, but they are doing rates of
120+. They use their exchanges effectively.
> 
> Anyone can improve their rate. Always use phonetics. If you get part of a
call give a report and get his call when he gives his report. Use numbers
instead of decades, that is say six five instead of sixty five. Minimize the
chit chat. These procedures lead to getting the exchanges and calls right
with a minimum of exchanges. 
> 
> Example:
> 	...
> 
> 	TU QRZ Kilo Kilo Six Mike Charlie
> 
> 	...Pileup...
> 
> 	Four Alpha Sierra  Delta Mike Six Five
> 
> 	Kilo Kilo Six Mike Charlie QSL Echo Lima Eight Four Whiskey Four
Alpha Sierra
> 
> 	Whiskey Four Alpha Sierra TU QRZ Kilo Kilo Six Mike Charlie
> 
> 	pileup
> 
> 	repeat 
> 
> If you have to call CQ more than once it isn't a pileup. :^)= 
> 
> Of course you can't control what the other guy sends, but you can control
what you send and the tempo of the whole exchange, which is what it takes to
make a lot of QSOs in a short time. It is easy to get overwhelmed, and that
is OK, but don't let the pileup know. 
> 
> Fills take up a lot of time and anything you can do to minimize it with
good operating practices will improve rate. This procedure also satisfies
those, mostly weak signal ops, who want a valid QSO to consist of both
stations copying both calls, a significant piece of information (grid
square), and then confirming that the information has been exchanged. This
is a valid point, although many, particularly on HF do not necessarily
agree. 
> 
> CW simplifies things a bit, plus there are fewer calling. 
> 
> Of course the real problem is getting newcomers to move up to linear
satellites where multiple QSOs can be supported. - DUffey KK6MC 
> 
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