[amsat-bb] I am tired of D-star thread/argument
Tom Gentry
t.gentry at verizon.net
Wed Nov 13 16:08:08 PST 2013
I don't have it, don't want it, don't want to hear about it.
Lets talk about the new satellites going up.
Tom K5VOU
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> 1. Re: International Designators (Ken Ernandes)
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> 4. Re: D STAR is here to stay (R Oler)
> 5. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Rich/wa4bue)
> 6. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Gordon JC Pearce)
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> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:34:30 -0500
> From: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd at mindspring.com>
> To: Graham Shirville <g.shirville at btinternet.com>
> Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
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> It shouldn't disrupt systems. The specification for the international designator allows for one to three (3) suffix characters (i.e., A through ZZZ).
>
> 73, Ken N2WWD
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> On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:44 AM, "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville at btinternet.com> wrote:
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>> Hi All,
>>
>> At least one of the forthcoming launches is planning to having more than 26 objects being deployed. I think this is the first time that this has occurred.
>>
>> Our TLEs include these references. I understand that after Z is used, the sequence will be AA, AB, AC, AD, etc.
>>
>> Question - will this extra digit disrupt the existing systems we have for distribution of this data or when importing the files into the various prediction programmes that we all use?
>>
>> I may be worrying unnecessarily but ..........just in case!
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Graham
>> G3VZV
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> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:16:44 -0600
> From: Joe <nss at mwt.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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> I agree on that also.
>
> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>
> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
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> On 11/12/2013 10:34 PM, Donald Jacob wrote:
>> Gordon,
>> If you use that logic, then why use amateur radio at all. Just use your
>> cell phone and you can talk to anyone, anywhere (that will answer!).
>>
>> Hobby, learn, have fun, meet others with the same interests etc....
>> Guess something got lost along the way!
>>
>> WB5EKU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp at gjcp.net>wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:57:39PM +0000, wa4hfn at comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I would like to see the DSTAR users pick a REFLECTOR and use it as a
>>> state side intercomm. How cool would that be? Some one asking the group ,
>>> hey who was that in fm-- or CN--or what was the call of the guy in DN--.
>>> Look at how we could all help each other while working the birds.
>>>
>>> Why not just use your phone? Far more reliable, far better coverage, far
>>> better battery life and a tiny fraction of the cost...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:40:59 +0000
> From: B J <va6bmj at gmail.com>
> To: Joe <nss at mwt.net>
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> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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> On 11/13/13, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>> I agree on that also.
>>
>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>
>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
> my Arrow yagi.
>
> Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
> aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
> conversations every time. Tinkering with something in order to hear
> or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
> bothersome to them.
>
> Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
> high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
> the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names". It was
> fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
> Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
>
> <snip>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:38:32 +0600
> From: R Oler <orbitjet at hotmail.com>
> To: B J <va6bmj at gmail.com>
> Cc: Joe <nss at mwt.net>, "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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> in large manner chat rooms and the like have taken the place for some of the CQ...Robert WB5MZO/S2
>
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>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:51 PM, "B J" <va6bmj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/13/13, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>>> I agree on that also.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>>
>>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
>> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
>> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
>> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
>> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
>> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
>> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
>> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
>> my Arrow yagi.
>>
>> Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
>> aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
>> conversations every time. Tinkering with something in order to hear
>> or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
>> bothersome to them.
>>
>> Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
>> high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
>> the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names". It was
>> fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
>> Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
>>
>> 73s
>>
>> Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
>>
>> <snip>
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> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:49:39 -0500
> From: "Rich/wa4bue" <richard.siff at verizon.net>
> To: "R Oler" <orbitjet at hotmail.com>, "B J" <va6bmj at gmail.com>,
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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> Hi all,
>
> I agree with what is being said.
>
> The K4AMG MARC works with you in a VO TECH center Broadcast Radio
> Class -WFOS FM 88.7, for over 10 years now. You can Google the station 24/7
> and listen to live stream. When the students are in class they are on the
> air. We are also in the early stages of assisting with an electronics
> class in the Chesapeake, VA Public Schools.
> We see teens all of the time. Today most of the teens we see kind of know
> what a screw driver and a pair of pliers are, but never heard of a ratchet
> and socket.
> Case in point:
>
> Last May we gave the teens assembly instructions and tools so they could
> assemble our YAGI antennas for OSCAR communications, and install the rotor -
> in general get the antennas ready for a OSCAR pass.
> We had to show them how to use the tools! Walk them through each step of
> the instructions as they texted to their friends this NOVEL experience.
>
> You might had heard us on FO 29, W4FOS, the schools club station.
>
> We have also worked with "BOE BOT" robot in the school. It requires
> moderate assembly. Assembly was a problem for them - programming went
> fairly well (circles. squares etc).
>
> On a good note a few years ago we bought RAMSEY FM Radio receiver kits and
> as class projects we taught them how to solder and in less then 3 classes 2
> hours 6 hours they put the radios together, and with less then,, and hour
> they used a scope and debugged the one radio that did not work, so they can
> do hands on when they want to.
>
> What I am finding is shops (hand on stuff) is disappearing and to work in
> trades, the teens are now required to take 2 year JR. College to be
> certified.
>
> Back to class, for many years we have put the students on HF during School
> Club Roundup, and they get insulted and jammed by older hams that own HF
> frequencies. We tried to place them on "IRLP" and around here any way some
> of the old guys are so bitter they are using bad language and distasteful
> conversations, not that the teens don't know and use this language, but not
> in the class room, so we don't go there.
> Even one of our largest clubs in the area don't want to work with teens.
>
> This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class. By the
> way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not suitable for the
> class room.
>
> In short it is difficult to give teens a full view of amateur radio when
> some of the idiots on the air and are just that real idiots. This part of
> the same discussion "Ethics" on the School Club Roundup users group ...
> Enough Venting.
>
> And finding volunteer Elmers to teach in the class room, very difficult, as
> most hams of the 80s and beyond know nothing but how to operate their
> radios, can not even make their antennas. The exception are those wonderful
> guys that worked in electronics and communications in the service or their
> day to day work. God Bless them. Our newest and best resource for Elmers
> are members of the Society of Broadcast Engineers Chapter 54, they have
> taken time off to teach in the class room.
>
> You can check out our home page at K4AMG.org, to get an idea about what we
> are trying to do. Please give us some input about what you think we are
> doing right or wrong.
>
> God Bless
>
> Rich
> W4BUE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R Oler" <orbitjet at hotmail.com>
> To: "B J" <va6bmj at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Joe" <nss at mwt.net>; <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:38 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
>
>
>> in large manner chat rooms and the like have taken the place for some of
>> the CQ...Robert WB5MZO/S2
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:51 PM, "B J" <va6bmj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/13/13, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>>>> I agree on that also.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>>>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>>>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>>>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>>>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>>>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>>>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>>>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>>>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>>>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
>>> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
>>> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
>>> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
>>> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
>>> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
>>> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
>>> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
>>> my Arrow yagi.
>>>
>>> Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
>>> aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
>>> conversations every time. Tinkering with something in order to hear
>>> or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
>>> bothersome to them.
>>>
>>> Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
>>> high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
>>> the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names". It was
>>> fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
>>> Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
>>>
>>> 73s
>>>
>>> Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
>>>
>>> <snip>
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> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:32:54 +0000
> From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp at gjcp.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:49:39PM -0500, Rich/wa4bue wrote:
>> This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class.
>> By the way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not
>> suitable for the class room.
>>
> You know, they're teenagers. Whether or not you agree with what *some* (a small minority) of SSTVers transmit, I think there's a fair chance they've seen swimsuit pictures already.
>
> Good luck with getting the ISS to transmit any usable SSTV. The past few times it's all been a bit broken. Maybe we can devise a nice solid SSTV subsystem to take up?
>
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