[amsat-bb] Re: So Long
Tom J. Gentry
t.gentry at verizon.net
Wed Sep 18 09:42:32 PDT 2013
While the frustration evidenced in this digest is understandable, perhaps unknown to us AMSAT are already trying to innovate an alternative to Highly Elliptical Orbit. Certainly a longer lived orbit would be desirable and a bird lighter that a P3 sat would perhaps find a cheap ride easier but let us rethink our path to get to where we want to be. As sure as E=mc^2, Upmass=$$$$$$$. Even though we started out as hitch hikers to the galaxy, AMSAT has acquired a significant data base of communications technology that we will be able to use to get more rides as soon as ITAR gets lifted off our neck and we can find more programs that can use the AMSAT communications expertise.
How about a series of cube sats that are placed high enough (or could be raised to that orbit) to last for awhile? How about we use other people's bird's after they are through with their experiments and move them up to longer lasting orbits and reconfigure the comm system (the one we built for them) to an amateur radio configuration. If each one of these MEO cube sats lasts long enough to overlap, pretty soon you have a constellation.
I probably will not live to see it complete but that is no reason not to start. The key is to get long lasting orbits with small sats and lots of them.
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> 1. Re: so long (n0jy)
> 2. Re: so long (Iain Young, G7III)
> 3. Re: so long (Yanko Yankov)
> 4. Re: so long (Personal)
> 5. Re: so long (Patrick Green)
> 6. Re: so long (Bob- W7LRD)
> 7. Re: so long (Adrian Engele)
> 8. Re: so long (i8cvs)
> 9. Re: so long (Stefan Wagener)
> 10. Re: so long (Gus)
> 11. Re: so long (John Spasojevich)
> 12. Re: so long (Greg D)
> 13. Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites (MLengruesser at aol.com)
> 14. Re: so long, try EME (MM)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:19:36 -0500
> From: n0jy <n0jy at n0jy.org>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
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> Dang. Now what are we going to do?
>
> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote:
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>> only satellite
>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>> joining AMSAT
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>
>> John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:45:52 +0100
> From: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii at g7iii.net>
> To: n0jy <n0jy at n0jy.org>
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
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> On 17/09/13 20:19, n0jy wrote:
>
>> Dang. Now what are we going to do?
>
> Eat the fish left behind ? :)
>
>
> 73s
>
> Iain
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:46:45 -0500
> From: Yanko Yankov <samy_b1 at shell4you.net>
> To: n0jy <n0jy at n0jy.org>, amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID: <6902cb30-2291-4cfa-a0b3-1b9f6b7f7971 at email.android.com>
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> I'll tell you what I will do. I'll make me a cup of coffee.
>
> Yanko,NX9G
>
> n0jy <n0jy at n0jy.org> wrote:
>> Dang. Now what are we going to do?
>>
>> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote:
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>> only satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>>> joining AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> author.
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>>
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> --
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:12:00 -0500
> From: Personal <johnag9d at gmail.com>
> To: John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net>
> Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID: <45B86821-7D94-4AFB-A36E-DCF926BABA56 at gmail.com>
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> How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal 6 feet underground?
>
> If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch P3D...it's been sitting around.
>
> Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the example.
>
> John AG9D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite
>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>
>> John
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:14:01 -0400
> From: Patrick Green <pagreen at gmail.com>
> To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
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> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF? Any mode that requires
> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way. I'm sure you've
> experienced this on repeaters if you used them. Perhaps we need a
> kickstarter for the launch of P3E.
>
> 73
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only
>> satellite
>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining
>> AMSAT
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>
>> John
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>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Patrick Green
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd at comcast.net>
> To: Personal <johnag9d at gmail.com>
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
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> the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer!
> 73 Bob W7LRD
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Personal" <johnag9d at gmail.com>
> To: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:12:00 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>
> How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal 6 feet underground?
>
> If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch P3D...it's been sitting around.
>
> Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the example.
>
> John AG9D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite
>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>
>> John
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Adrian Engele <aa5uk at yahoo.com>
> To: Patrick Green <pagreen at gmail.com>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID:
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> Like this Kickstarter project which was underfunded : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597141632/cat-a-thruster-for-interplanetary-cubesats
>
> We hope.
>
> 73, Adrian AA5UK
>
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Patrick Green <pagreen at gmail.com>
>> To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>>
>>
>> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF?? Any mode that requires
>> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way.? I'm sure you've
>> experienced this on repeaters if you used them.? Perhaps we need a
>> kickstarter for the launch of P3E.
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only
>>> satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining
>>> AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Patrick Green
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:02:52 +0200
> From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it>
> To: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>, "Amsat - BBs"
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>, "Martha" <martha at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID: <000a01ceb3fa$0cb44620$0401a8c0 at i8cvs>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>
> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>> happens.
>>
>> John
>>
> Hi John,W0JAB
>
> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
> his policy with only FM satellites.
>
> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
> future.
>
> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
> it was very nice until lasted.
>
> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
> membership.
>
> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
> money reward.
>
> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
> ways communications between continents was not a
> satisfactory task.
>
> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>
> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:27:37 -0500
> From: Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com>
> To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it>
> Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb at amsat.org>, John Becker
> <w0jab at big-river.net>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID:
> <CAKu8kHDSxQNmagn=V4FFNvXJu6060Bd1-u5VX1EmubRPcq6BDw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Domenico,
>
> I am not sure if I understand your post:
>
> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO
> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my
> previous not covered years of membership."
>
> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate
> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly
> it.
>
> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles
> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward."
>
> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to
> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid!
>
> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to
> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly.
>
> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post:
>
> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community.
> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies,
> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an
> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime."
>
> Rest my case,
>
> Stefan VE4NSA
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it> wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>
>> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>>
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> Hi John,W0JAB
>>
>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
>> his policy with only FM satellites.
>>
>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
>> future.
>>
>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
>> it was very nice until lasted.
>>
>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
>> membership.
>>
>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
>> money reward.
>>
>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
>> ways communications between continents was not a
>> satisfactory task.
>>
>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>>
>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:17:47 -0400
> From: Gus <amcleod at caribsurf.com>
> To: John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net>
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID: <5238AADB.6090201 at anjo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> John,
>
> 1) I too pine for the HEO birds.
>
> 2) I have little interest in single-channel FM-only satellites
>
> But!
>
> 1) LEO birds are better than no birds at all. The early OSCARS were all
> LEO and without the learning curve they provided, we would probably
> never have launched AO-10 and AO-13. The challenges nowadays may be
> different (financial rather than technological) but in time we will
> hopefully overcome them.
>
> 2) From what I gather simply by reading this list, the majority of
> transponders flying are linear (NOT single-channel FM) and the same is
> true for the majority of transponders in the pipe.
>
> I respect your decision to drop out of the list and wish you well.
>
> Regards...
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> Barbados, the easternmost isle.
>
>
>
> On 09/17/2013 02:58 PM, John Becker wrote:
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>> only satellite
>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>> joining AMSAT
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>
>> John
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:23:59 -0500
> From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d at gmail.com>
> To: Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com>
> Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb at amsat.org>, John Becker
> <w0jab at big-river.net>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID:
> <CA+qbou4F6hDXcCpJ61zO4m2XwXdKQoZ3WS0JnAVFzSbPrVvycA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Stefan, I second the comments .
>
> I brace myself every time I go to a hamfest to represent AMSAT. I would
> say I spend 75% of my time getting told that we are a bunch of morons and
> how the person complaining used to be a member but will never join again
> because we don't have a HEO bird. I spend time, politely too, with them
> explaining the world has changed in terms of launch cost and ask them if
> they have any ideas on how we can raise the money, that usually sends them
> on their way.
>
> I came to a great revelation this year looking back on my time as a club
> president, secretary and one of the 10% that actually does something other
> than complain and came to the conclusion that 75% of the rank and file hams
> want to open a box, sit in a chair, plug it in and yak in a microphone and
> complain. The other 25% are involved in experimentation, construction,
> education and pushing the service forward.
>
> The last time I checked, moaning and complaining to another ham who does
> nothing but complain doesn't get anything done. I should think that if
> there was anyone reading this mail service that had $10M to spare, they
> would have bought the launch by now. But go ahead and keep crying to the
> same group, maybe there's a recent lottery winner here.
>
> John AG9D
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Domenico,
>>
>> I am not sure if I understand your post:
>>
>> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO
>> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my
>> previous not covered years of membership."
>>
>> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate
>> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly
>> it.
>>
>> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles
>> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward."
>>
>> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to
>> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid!
>>
>> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to
>> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly.
>>
>> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post:
>>
>> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community.
>> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies,
>> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an
>> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime."
>>
>> Rest my case,
>>
>> Stefan VE4NSA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it> wrote:
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>
>>> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>>>
>>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>>>> happens.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>> Hi John,W0JAB
>>>
>>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
>>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
>>> his policy with only FM satellites.
>>>
>>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
>>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
>>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
>>> future.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
>>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
>>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
>>> it was very nice until lasted.
>>>
>>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
>>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
>>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
>>> membership.
>>>
>>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
>>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
>>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
>>> money reward.
>>>
>>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
>>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
>>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
>>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
>>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
>>> ways communications between continents was not a
>>> satisfactory task.
>>>
>>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>>>
>>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:00:34 -0700
> From: Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com>
> To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it>
> Cc: Amsat BB <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
> Message-ID: <52392562.5050007 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> I made my first satellite contact in 1993, a year after I was first
> licensed. That first contact was due to a lot of elmering by Walt,
> KA6VNU, and the skill of Mel, KW7E, on the other end of the contact.
> Since then I have made countless contacts on my own, elmered others
> through their first contacts, and learned something from each and every
> one. New puzzles were answered by the many generous and knowledgeable
> participants in this bulletin board, including you. I've had an
> incredible experience, and it's not over yet.
>
> I hardly call that "nothing".
>
> Greg KO6TH
>
>
> i8cvs wrote:
>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MLengruesser at aol.com
> To: les at highnoonfilm.com, amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites
> Message-ID: <25af8.1712edd.3f6af9d6 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Hi Les,.
>
>
> I know this and I think we do a good job of 365/7/24 with our antenna in
> Bochum.
> We receive and deliver realtime raw data to NASA / NOAA for the Stereo A /
> B project
> Look on the following webpages
> http://amsat-dl.org/index.php/news-mainmenu-97/194-stereo-turbo-amsateng
> http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/beacon_coverage.shtml
> http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/
> http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/index.shtml
>
> vy 73,
>
> Michael R. Lengruesser, DD5ER
>
>
>
>
>
> AMSAT-DL e.V.
> -- International Satellites for Communication,
> Science and Education --
> mlengruesser at amsat-dl.org
> http://www.amsat-dl.org
>
>
>
> In einer eMail vom 18.09.2013 01:12:03 Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit schreibt
> les at highnoonfilm.com:
>
> MIT Study of interest to the satellite community:
> http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html
>
>
> --
> --
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
>
> 6M VUCC #1712
> AMSAT #38965
> Grid Bandits #222
> Southeastern VHF Society
> Central States VHF Society Life Member
> Six Club #2484
>
> Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MM <ka1rrw at yahoo.com>
> To: John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net>, "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long, try EME
> Message-ID:
> <1379511235.53461.YahooMailNeo at web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
>
> EME is a
> good replacement (JT65)
> ?
> There are no
> borders.
> There is no
> politics (no one owns the Moon).
> There are no
> Satellite managers to control which mode is enabled or disabled.
> No person
> can hog the whole repeater.
> The Moon is
> usable 2+ weeks contiguous per month.
> In most countries
> you can run your countries legal limit.
> It?s much
> further away and thus a greater challenge.
> You do not
> need to join a club.
> ?
> And the list
> goes on.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:58 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>
>
> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
> only satellite
> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
> joining AMSAT
> in the first place.
>
> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>
> John
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> ------------------------------
>
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