[amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
Alan
wa4sca at gmail.com
Tue Sep 24 12:43:25 PDT 2013
Paul,
Life is full of ironies, but sticking with the FCC and ARRL standards prevents complications and
conflicts. We have enough of those. :) Unlike other non-states which are recognized, it is
geographically contiguous.
Having grown up nearby in Maryland, with relatives who were born Washingtonians, I have heard many
heated debates. Some over Thanksgiving dinner. The District has always had an odd status, neither
fish now fowl, or sometimes a little of both. If the discussion quieted down, I would suggest that
all the problems could be solved by retro-ceding the District to Maryland. Then I ducked under the
table.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
<<>>-----Original Message-----
<<>>From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
<<>>[mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer
<<>>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:04 PM
<<>>To: kk5do at amsat.org
<<>>Cc: amsat-bb at AMSAT.Org
<<>>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
<<>>
<<>>The Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. all count as
<<>>separate entities
<<>>for these awards as DXCC entities.
<<>>
<<>>I find it ironic that an organization that is incorporated
<<>>in the District
<<>>of Columbia and had it's first headquarters in the District
<<>>of Columbia
<<>>would not recognize that the District of Columbia is a separate and
<<>>distinct entity that is not part of the State of Maryland.
<<>>
<<>>73,
<<>>
<<>>Paul, N8HM
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Bruce <kk5do at amsat.org> wrote:
<<>>
<<>>> I took over processing the awards for AMSAT over 10 years
<<>>ago and have
<<>>> processed it the same way the previous awards managers had done.
<<>>>
<<>>> You are absolutely correct that DC does not count for
<<>>this award because
<<>>> in creating our award, we used the ARRL worked all states
<<>>award, the RAC
<<>>> worked all provinces award and the DXCC list to create
<<>>our award. There is
<<>>> nothing in any of those awards that include District of
<<>>Columbia and our
<<>>> award does not either.
<<>>>
<<>>> Also, we do not include US Territories such as US Virgin
<<>>Islands, Puerto
<<>>> Rico, and Guam and a couple other islands in our awards.
<<>>>
<<>>> 73...bruce
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> On 9/24/2013 11:24 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>>> Bruce,
<<>>>>
<<>>>> That an illogical argument. Only three states have their
<<>>own prefixes:
<<>>>> Alaska, Hawaii, and California.
<<>>>>
<<>>>> It also ignores the fact that the District of Columbia
<<>>is not part of
<<>>>> Maryland. Incidentally, DC is the only top-level
<<>>subdivision of the United
<<>>>> States or Canada that does not count as a separate
<<>>entity for this award.
<<>>>>
<<>>>> 73,
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Paul, N8HM
<<>>>>
<<>>>>
<<>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruce <kk5do at amsat.org> wrote:
<<>>>>
<<>>>> If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of
<<>>Columbia with its own
<<>>>>> prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and
<<>>territories then we
<<>>>>> should. However, until they do, it is included as a
<<>>contact for Maryland.
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests.
<<>>>>> Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CYØ);
<<>>>>> Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2);
<<>>>>> Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3);
<<>>>>> Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4);
<<>>>>> Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5);
<<>>>>> Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6);
<<>>>>> British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7);
<<>>>>> Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8);
<<>>>>> New Brunswick [NB] (VE9);
<<>>>>> Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2);
<<>>>>> Nunavut [NU] (VYØ);
<<>>>>> Yukon [YT] (VY1);
<<>>>>> Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2).
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since
<<>>AMSAT-NA includes
<<>>>>> Canada.
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Hope this helps.
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> 73...bruce
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Good morning,
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR
<<>>Satellite Communications
<<>>>>>> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and
<<>>the OSCAR Century
<<>>>>>> Award.
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact
<<>>is defined as one
<<>>>>>> with
<<>>>>>> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian
<<>>Provience. Once you
<<>>>>>> have a contact with a station in that area, you must
<<>>hunt for another."
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that
<<>>have the RAC
<<>>>>>> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements,
<<>>you may submit a
<<>>>>>> copy
<<>>>>>> of your certificate as proof of working the 13
<<>>Canadian Proviences or 50
<<>>>>>> U.S. States."
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that
<<>>the three
<<>>>>>> territories also count under the definition of
<<>>"province." Similarly, I
<<>>>>>> would argue that the definition of "state" should
<<>>also include the
<<>>>>>> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the
<<>>precedent from
<<>>>>>> counting
<<>>>>>> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate
<<>>entity for the
<<>>>>>> purposes
<<>>>>>> of these awards?
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> 73,
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
<<>>>>>> Washington, DC
<<>>>>>> AMSAT-NA #38,913
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<<>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
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<<>>> --
<<>>>
<<>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
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<<>>> ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
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