From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sun Nov  1 02:01:37 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:01:37 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
Message-ID: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>

This is fun,
Was it the late '60s ? LDE's ?(Long Delayed Echoes)

Used to be guys talking about them and a few articles in CQ I think.

Anyway, was just giving out my callsign and heard it about 3 seconds
later on the passband.

I am taking a WAG gee and saying it's due to the digital processing up
there?

Still, it's fun and funny. Or, wait. That spook-asteroid is passing by
now. Asteroid-Bounce. Hmmm. she's farther out than the moon so 3 or 4
seconds might be right.  mmmmm, just maybe ....

Can I QSL myself and have it count for some rare VUCC grid?

-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From wageners at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 02:13:00 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 21:13:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
In-Reply-To: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
References: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHDj_2Ht7ZwSWWDS_cMFPhxDe9o_xfN5p4KBhh-hGAGs-A@mail.gmail.com>

Now the proof would be if your second ego would acknowledge the same grid
square and ask for a QSL from yourself :-) LOL

Was good catching you on satellite,

73, Stefan VE4NSA

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:

> This is fun,
> Was it the late '60s ? LDE's ?(Long Delayed Echoes)
>
> Used to be guys talking about them and a few articles in CQ I think.
>
> Anyway, was just giving out my callsign and heard it about 3 seconds
> later on the passband.
>
> I am taking a WAG gee and saying it's due to the digital processing up
> there?
>
> Still, it's fun and funny. Or, wait. That spook-asteroid is passing by
> now. Asteroid-Bounce. Hmmm. she's farther out than the moon so 3 or 4
> seconds might be right.  mmmmm, just maybe ....
>
> Can I QSL myself and have it count for some rare VUCC grid?
>
> --
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sun Nov  1 02:18:53 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 02:18:53 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
In-Reply-To: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
References: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUei-vGqQzmx6f1SruPw4ckfOcES0=rxszUj9P6=fhzwdw@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I heard the same thing on AO-85 recently. I would hear
myself coming back from the satellite in real time (plus
a slight delay for my SDR receiver & software), and then
hear it again 2-3 seconds later. It seemed more like some
station was retransmitting whatever it heard from AO-85,
which happened to be my voice at that moment. I did not
write down when this happened, but I have recordings of
all AO-85 passes I worked, so I can go back and pinpoint
when this happened. I might do this later tonight between
some passes while staying up late, or tomorrow. If someone
is really bored and looking for stuff to do, feel free to
visit my Dropbox space at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ and
take a listen to my recordings. :-)

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK


On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:

> This is fun,
> Was it the late '60s ? LDE's ?(Long Delayed Echoes)
>
> Used to be guys talking about them and a few articles in CQ I think.
>
> Anyway, was just giving out my callsign and heard it about 3 seconds
> later on the passband.
>
> I am taking a WAG gee and saying it's due to the digital processing up
> there?
>
> Still, it's fun and funny. Or, wait. That spook-asteroid is passing by
> now. Asteroid-Bounce. Hmmm. she's farther out than the moon so 3 or 4
> seconds might be right.  mmmmm, just maybe ....
>
> Can I QSL myself and have it count for some rare VUCC grid?
>
> --
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
>
>

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sun Nov  1 02:21:00 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:21:00 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUei-vGqQzmx6f1SruPw4ckfOcES0=rxszUj9P6=fhzwdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
	<CAN6TEUei-vGqQzmx6f1SruPw4ckfOcES0=rxszUj9P6=fhzwdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5635770C.40906@denstarfarm.us>

On 31-Oct-15 2218, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> I heard the same thing on AO-85 recently. I would hear
> myself coming back from the satellite in real time (plus
> a slight delay for my SDR receiver & software),


yeh, kidding aside ... O also thought it seemed like somebody sending it
back up.



-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From wao at vfr.net  Sun Nov  1 05:17:38 2015
From: wao at vfr.net (Joseph Spier)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:17:38 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-305 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <5635A072.6060900@vfr.net>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-305
The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* Super Strypi (SPARK) Launch Planned for November 2, 2015
* Duchifat 1 status update
* UKube-1 CubeSat Completes Mission
* Fort Worth students talk to ISS
* Tim Peake KG5BVI and the ISS Astro Pi?s
* Radio amateurs to help London children talk to ISS
* AMSAT Events
* ARISS News


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-305.01
ANS-305 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 305.01
 >From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE November 1, 2015
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-305.01


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Super Strypi (SPARK) Launch Planned for November 1, 2015


The following satellites are planned to be launched on 2, Nov 2015.

Argus, EDSN, HawaiiSat-1, ORS-Squared, PrintSat, STACEM, STU-1, 
Supernova-Beta
Site is Pacific Missile Range - Kokole Point, Kauai, Hawaii

Satellite                Downlink            Beacon    Mode
----------------------   -----------------   -------   ------------
Argus                    2403.000-2403.400   437.290   1200bps AFSK
EDSN                     2401.200-2431.200   437.100   1200bps AFSK
HawaiiSat1 (HiakaSat1)    145.9805           437.2705  9600bps GFSK
ORS-Squared               437.325               .      9600bps GMSK
PrintSat                  437.325               .      9600bps GMSK
STACEM                       .                  .      ?
STU-1                    2402.000-2445.000   436.360   9600bps GMSK
Supernova-Beta            437.570               .      1200bps AFSK
----------------------   -----------------   -------   ------------

HawaiiSat-1
1 99999U 00000    15306.00000000  .00002809  00000-0  69295-4 0 00007
2 99999 094.6040 077.7732 0056131 182.2912 079.1822 15.38919159000464

http://spaceflight101.com/spacerockets/spark-super-strypi/
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/sparksat.htm
http://www.cubesat.org


[ANS thanks Mineo Wakita, JE9PEL for the above information]


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Duchifat 1 status update


We're happy to report that the satellite is still operational and doing
very well.
We've already received 20 stations using Duchifat 1, and all said stations
are displayed on our map at
www.h-space-lab.org .
QSL cards are on their way, and a few have already been received.
It's a fantastic experience to be heard by the satellite, get immediate
digipeating response from it, and later see your position on the map on
the website, after a successful dump at our GS from the satellite.
If you try to contact it and encounter any difficulty, please don't
hesitate to write to us at
4X4HSC at gmail.com
It's all very fun. We also hope people can share their experiences here.
73, and good luck.


[ANS thanks the Herzliya Science Center team posting on the AMSAT=BB for 
the
above information]


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UKube-1 CubeSat Completes Mission


UKube-1, the UK Space Agency?s first national spacecraft, has now completed
its nominal mission following over 14 months of operations. Discussion is
underway with AMSAT-UK about the possibility of taking over UKube-1 
operations
to continue its educational and outreach activities.

Launched in July 2014, UKube-1 is a technology demonstration mission with a
broad set of objectives aimed at attracting and training future 
generations of
engineers, encouraging collaboration across sectors and institutions, fast
tracking space technology development and engaging with students.

As a 3 unit CubeSat (30x30x10cm), flying 4 main payloads, with all the key
subsystems of much larger satellites, UKube-1 remains one of the most 
advanced
CubeSats ever built. Despite some technical challenges in orbit, the mission
has achieved a range of milestones including:

? delivery into the correct planned orbit (around 650km, sun-synchronous)
? successful deployment of solar panels and antenna
? good battery health
? slow spin rate measured
? uplink and downlink capabilities checked, including Large Data Transfer,
downlink at 3 speeds, and redundant communications mode
? all core payloads commissioned and data collected for each
? on-board camera technology successfully tested
? data downlinked from multiple ground stations across the globe

UKube-1 has also helped maintain the UK?s leading position in the CubeSat
sector. Participation in the mission placed Clyde Space in an excellent
position to capitalize on the fast growing global nanosatellite market. The
company has experienced 100% year on year growth, both in turnover and
employees, as a direct result from involvement in UKube-1, and is firmly
established as a global leader.

Mark McCrum, Bright Ascension Ltd, said:
?UKube-1 provided us with an invaluable opportunity to gain flight heritage
for our software technology and to get deeply involved in the operation of a
complex CubeSat mission. It gave a huge boost to our credibility as a space
software provider and has been instrumental in winning further work.?

Craig Clark, CEO Clyde Space Ltd, said:
?UKube-1 represents a pivotal achievement in the development and growth of
Clyde Space. The project moved the company from being a spacecraft 
subsystems
supplier to providing full missions for our customers. To give some 
context to
the extent that Ukube-1 has had to our business, Clyde Space has more than
quadrupled in size in the last 3 years and there are currently over 60 
CubeSats
planned through production here in Glasgow over the next 18 months. The 
return
on investment for Ukube-1 in terms of jobs and export sales for the UK 
has been
outstanding and is a great example of industry and the UK Space Agency 
working
together to put the UK at the forefront of global space technology.?

Professor Andrew Holland, Open University, added:
?Involvement in the UKube-1 mission, though our C3D instrument, has had a
positive effect on our research and technology program within the Space
Instrumentation Group at the Open University, as well as a positive 
effect on
our technology partners in the project; XCAM Ltd and e2v Ltd. The 
project has
helped the OU to build a new strand of instrument development within the 
group,
raised awareness of the CubeSat platform as a potential vehicle to 
accelerate
the development of scientific space instrumentation, and has provided 
early in-
orbit-demonstration of technologies. The mission introduced us to new 
academic
and industrial collaborators operating in the space sector and supported the
career development of the young engineers and scientists working on the
project.?

STFC?s RAL Space provided the Ground Station for the mission at Chilbolton
Observatory in Hampshire UK, and UKube-1 operations were commanded from 
there.

Mission Manager Dr Helen Walker said:
?It has been a very exciting time, made possible only with the great support
from all the teams involved.?

Although the Agency-supported mission phase has ended, discussion is 
underway
with AMSAT-UK about the possibility of taking over UKube-1 operations to
continue its educational and outreach activities until the satellite orbit
naturally degrades.

More information about UKube-1 can be found in the missions section of 
the UK
Space Agency website
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/ukube-1

Source
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukube-1-completes-mission

UKube-1 carries a set of AMSAT-UK FUNcube boards which provide an 
educational
beacon for use by schools and a linear transponder for amateur radio
communications.

UKube-1 nominal frequencies:
? 145.840 MHz Telemetry downlink
? 145.915 MHz FUNcube subsystem beacon
? 400 mW inverting SSB/CW linear transponder
? 435.080-435.060 MHz Uplink
? 145.930-145.950 MHz Downlink


[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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Fort Worth students talk to ISS


Students at Daggett Montessori School in Fort Worth used amateur radio 
to talk
to astronaut Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS, aboard the International Space Station.

Before the contact Cowtown Amateur Radio Club member Keith Pugh W5IU 
explained
to the students how they are able to talk to the ISS.

The contact, which took place on Thursday, October 29, gave the students the
opportunity to ask questions about life in space. The Star-Telegram 
newspaper
reports Grace Jordan, a seventh-grader, wondered about the effects of
microgravity on food digestion.

Kjell used the amateur radio station in the ESA ISS Columbus module callsign
NA1SS, while the students used the station K5COW set up by Cowtown Amateur
Radio Club in the school auditorium.

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) lets students
worldwide experience the excitement of talking directly with crew members of
the International Space Station, inspiring them to pursue interests in 
careers
in science, technology, engineering and math, and engaging them with radio
science technology through amateur radio.

Watch Daggett Montessori MS Talk to Space Station 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uzIBucg2SE

Read the Star-Telegram story at
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-
worth/article41837055.html

ARISS
http://ariss.org/


[ANS thanks ARISS and AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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Tim Peake KG5BVI and the ISS Astro Pi?s


AMSAT-UK members are leading on the Amateur Radio on the ISS (ARISS) Schools
contacts program for the upcoming Tim Peake Principia mission to the ISS. A
number of high profile school contacts are planned to be carried out and 
this
activity is being coordinated with the UK Space Agency as part of the 
overall
Principia Educational Outreach program.

Two specially augmented Raspberry Pi?s called Astro Pi?s are planned to 
fly on
an Orbital Sciences? Cygnus cargo freighter to the ISS in early 
December. They
will be used by UK astronaut Tim Peake KG5BVI during his Principia 
mission on
the Space Station which is expected to commence in mid-December.

The Astro Pi?s are planned to run experimental Python programs written by
young people in schools across the country; the results will be returned 
back
to Earth at the end of the mission. ARISS/AMSAT-UK members are actively
involved in discussions with the UK Space Agency, ESA, the Raspberry Pi
Foundation and others to establish the feasibility of re-purposing one 
of the
Astro Pi units, either within or post Tim Peake?s mission, to provide an
alternative video source for the amateur radio HamTV transmitter in the ISS
Columbus module. Additional discussions are ongoing with all parties for 
joint
educational activities into the future with the Astro Pi units being 
networked
and potentially enhancing the capability of the amateur radio station on 
board
Columbus.

The main mission of HamTV is to perform contacts between the astronauts 
on the
ISS and school students, not only by voice as now, but also by 
unidirectional
video from the ISS to the ground. ARISS has been working with Goonhilly and
hope to provide a video download facility via one of their large dishes 
for the
schools contacts as well as attempting to receive the video at each 
school as
part of the contact.

Principia mission
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/Principia

School Shortlist for Tim Peake Space Station Contact
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/07/14/school-shortlist-tim-peake-iss/

HamTV
http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/hamtv-on-the-iss/

Astro Pi
http://astro-pi.org/

Twitter
https://twitter.com/astro_pi


[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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Radio amateurs to help London children talk to ISS


On Wednesday, November 4 pupils at the Eleanor Palmer Primary School in
Camden, London should have the opportunity to speak to an astronaut in space
thanks to an Amateur Radio Telebridge link via Australia. The audio will be
streamed via the web and Echolink.

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with
participants at Eleanor Palmer School, London, United Kingdom on Wednesday,
November 4. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 09:51 GMT. 
It is
recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before 
this time.
The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds.

The contact will be a telebridge between astronaut Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS,
using the callsign NA1SS from the amateur radio station in the ISS Columbus
module, and Martin Diggens VK6MJ in Western Australia. The contact should be
audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas.  Interested 
participants
are invited to listen in on the 145.800 MHz FM downlink.

Audio from this contact will be available via the amateur radio Echolink
system on node *AMSAT* (101377) and via the IRLP Node 9010 Discovery 
Reflector.

Streaming Audio will be able on the web at
https://sites.google.com/site/arissaudio/

Audio on Echolink and web stream is generally started around 20 minutes 
prior
to the contact taking place so that you can hear some of the preparation 
that
occurs. IRLP will begin just prior to the ground station call to the
ISS.

Contact times are approximate. If the ISS executes a reboost or other
manoeuvre, the AOS (Acquisition Of Signal) time may alter by a few minutes

Eleanor Palmer Primary School, a non-selective community school, is 
located in
central London in the United Kingdom. London is an exciting and dynamic 
capital
city and its schools are the best in the country, attributed to the 
social and
ethnic diversity, excellent local leadership and the quality of teaching.

Eleanor Palmer is a relatively small school of around 220 pupils with single
classes of 30 children per year. The youngest pupils are 3 years old and the
oldest 11 years old. Due to the central London location it is a highly 
diverse
and inclusive school with staff and children from many different 
backgrounds.

The pupils achieve highly as judged by national benchmarks. One of the core
aims of the school is to inspire in all pupils a love of learning and the
desire to continue to learn and they therefore seek to provide a rich 
and broad
curriculum opening minds and creating opportunities. The school hope 
that their
contact with the ISS will inspire pupils to go on to learn more about space
through the study of Science, Technology, Engineering and Math.

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

1.  What have you seen that is more beautiful than earth?

2.  Who or what inspired you to choose this job?

3.  Does being in space make you feel differently about earth?

4.  What can you learn from the ISS that you cannot learn on earth?

5.  Will normal people who are not astronauts be able to visit space in the
ISS one day?

6.  How do you sleep?

7.  Is it quiet up there in the ISS?

8.  When you get back to earth, do you have to re-train your muscles?

9.  Can you call home?

10.  Do you all have to be scientists?

11.  What do you think is the most important things children should know 
about
space?

12.  What time zone do you use?

13.  Do you have plants on the ISS?

14.  What has been your favourite experiment?

15.  How does your brain respond to micro gravity?

16.  How do you wash your clothes?

17.  If you cry in space, with laughter, what happens to your tears?

18.  What do you want to do when you come back to earth?

19.  How do you get enough oxygen?

20.  Is it more scary taking off from earth or returning to earth?

21.  What is your energy source on the ISS?

22.  What does it feel like to be in space?

23.  Is it always dark in space?

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) lets students
worldwide experience the excitement of talking directly with crew members of
the International Space Station, inspiring them to pursue interests in 
careers
in science, technology, engineering and math, and engaging them with radio
science technology through amateur radio.
http://www.ariss-eu.org/

A telebridge contact, where a dedicated ARISS amateur radio ground station,
located somewhere in the world, establishes the radio link with the ISS. 
Voice
communications between the students and the astronauts are then patched over
regular telephone lines.
http://www.ariss-eu.org/ARISS%20Telebridge%20Guidelines.doc

What is Amateur Radio ?
http://www.essexham.co.uk/what-is-amateur-radio

Eleanor Palmer Primary School
http://www.eleanorpalmer.camden.sch.uk/news/countdown-to-iss-link-up/
Twitter @eleanorpalmersc

[ANS thanks ARISS and AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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AMSAT Events


Information about AMSAT activities at other important events around
the country.  Examples of these events are radio club meetings where
AMSAT Area Coordinators give presentations, demonstrations of working
amateur satellites, and hamfests with an AMSAT presence (a table with
AMSAT literature and merchandise, sometimes also with presentations,
forums, and/or demonstrations).

*Saturday, 7 November 2015 ? Oro Valley Amateur Radio Club Hamfest in 
Marana AZ

*Saturday and Sunday, 7-8 November 2015 ? Stone Mountain Hamfest and ARRL
Georgia Section Convention in Lawrenceville GA

*Monday, 16 November 2015 ? Tri-City Amateur Radio Association meeting in
Goodyear AZ

*Saturday, 5 December 2015 ? Superstition Superfest 2015 in Mesa AZ


[ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information]


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ARISS News


Successful Contacts

*   A direct contact via K5COW with students at Daggett Montessori 
School K-8,
Fort  Worth, Texas, USA, was successful Thu 2015-10-29 14:12:56 UTC 31 deg.
Astronaut Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS responded to 10 questions from students.

Watch a video recording of the contact at
http://youtu.be/CIsWPZ3TbWU

Daggett Montessori, a ?School of Choice? within the Fort Worth Independent
School District, was created thirty years ago and was one of the first 
public
school Montessori programs in the nation. Based on the highly successful
Montessori methodology and philosophy, Daggett Montessori has 
approximately 500
students, all selected through a blind lottery system. We are a Title I 
school,
with close to 60% of our students economically disadvantaged.

As a kindergarten through eighth grade program, we provide a safe, nurturing
environment that focuses on long term relationships among staff, 
students, and
parents.  Our parents are actively involved in every aspect of school life.
Maria Montessori was the first woman to graduate from medical school in 
Italy
so science is an area of particular focus in the Montessori curriculum.  She
designed many of the lessons to instill a sense of awe about the natural 
world.
Our parents are very involved in every aspect of school at Daggett 
Montessori.
Of particular interest is our greenhouse with an aquaponics system in 
which we
raise various herbs and vegetables.  We also have multiple raised beds 
in which
the children grow vegetables.  Our parents provide gardening lessons on a
weekly basis.  Our students were very excited to learn that lettuce is being
grown on the ISS!

*   A direct contact  via  K8UTT with students at Dearborn Public Schools,
Dearborn, Michigan, USA was successful Tue  2015-10-27 16:01:59 UTC 57 deg.

Dearborn Public Schools is a public school district that serves a 
community in
suburban Detroit, MI. This school district is part of a growing, vibrant 
area
built upon quality education for nearly 19,600 students. Dearborn also has a
unique feature added to this growing, vibrant area. It is home to the 
largest
Arabic-speaking population outside of the Middle East. One out of every two
students learns English as a second language. These qualities help to form
Dearborn Public Schools into the exceptional and diverse community of 
learners
it is today!

Mary Varady, STEM Coordinator for the District has been working with local
Amateur Radio operators for almost a year to arrange the contact with the
International Space Station.  In the spring of 2015, Dearborn Public Schools
Media Tech Specialist Gordon Scannell, an Amateur Radio operator, 
presented the
details of the program to district teachers.  Varady has been working with
principals to provide lessons and other activities tied to the event.
Scannell, along with other Amateur Radio volunteers have spent countless 
hours
arranging the technical details for Tuesday?s event including such 
activities
as installing a large temporary antenna on the roof of the Berry Center.

Students will be able to ask questions of the ISS crew during their 
scheduled
time.  Varady received more than 2,000 questions from students across the
district and then had the daunting task of narrowing them down to only the
best. In total, 18 students in grades first through eighth had their 
questions
selected.  In addition, students across the district will be able to tune in
and watch as the students gathered in the lecture hall talk with the crew of
the International Space Station.

However, an ARISS contact encompasses more than just students asking 
questions
with the ISS crewmember. Additional components include student 
activities such
as class lessons about space research, the International Space Station, and
radio technology.  The ARISS contact is a ?hands on? real world 
application of
the science, technology, engineering and math being taught in the 
classroom.

*   A direct contact via RA1AJN between cosmonaut Sergey Volkov RU3DIS and
students at "About Gagarin From Space: Ham Radio Session with the Members of
Cosmonautics Federation and Students" in St Petersburg, Russia, was 
successful
on 2015-10-27 11:35 UTC.

*   A direct contact via W8ISS with students at West Michigan Aviation
Academy, Grand Rapids, MI, USA,  was successful Fri 2015-10-23 17:58:48 UTC
49 deg.
Astronaut Kimiya Yui, KG5BPH answered 20 questions for students.

Local TV news stations reported on the event:
http://www.wzzm13.com/videos/news/local/2015/10/23/students-talk-to-astronaut-
aboard-space-station/74486064/
http://woodtv.com/2015/10/23/w-mi-students-chat-with-astronauts-aboard-iss/
http://fox17online.com/2015/10/23/local-students-talk-to-an-astronaut-in-space/

Listen to an audio recording of the contact at
http://www.k8tb.org/W8ISS%20Edited.mp3

The West Michigan Aviation Academy is a tuition-free public charter high
school founded by Dick DeVos upon encouragement from wife, Betsy. 
Stemming from
their passion for both education and aviation, the school opened its 
doors in
the fall of 2010 and is located on the grounds of the Gerald R. Ford
International Airport.  Like other high schools, our curriculum includes 
core
subjects. But as an aviation-themed high school the curriculum at WMAA is
designed for students who have a passion for aviation and/or an interest in
science, technology, engineering and mathematics. (STEM)

The Aviation program includes training for the Private Pilot certificate in
the student's senior year.  The school owns our own Cessna 172 that is 
provided
at direct operating costs to the students.  Although they must pay for the
flight training the total cost is much lower than renting at the local 
flight
school and ground instruction is provided for as part of their elective
classes.  Currently we have 11 students in the program and hope to have 
18 by
the time of the contact.  We also try to get the kids out around the 
airport to
experience the many different job opportunities available in aviation.

The Robotics program includes FIRST robotics programs and many of our
competitors are taking both engineering and aviation classes.  Our 
engineering
program provides for instruction in aerospace, robotics and electronic 
fields.
We try to closely alley the Aviation and Engineering departments.

*   A direct contact via 8N?SDF with students at Saku Children?s Science 
Dome
for the Future, Saku City, Japan,  was successful Thu 2015-10-22 
09:52:21 UTC
54 deg. The interview with astronaut Kimiya Yui, KG5BPH was conducted in
Japanese.
Yui answered 10 questions for students.

Watch a video of the interview at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl6fkE14Rrw

The Saku Children?s Science Dome for the Future is a science museum that was
founded in 2001. It has a variety of exhibits on earth science, space,
biotechnology, the environment and more. Some of the attractions that 
gain the
attention of the children are a life-size model of a dinosaur, a 170 seat
planetarium and a ?mercury? display model presented by NASA. The center is
located near the birth place of Mr. Kimiya Yui. Mr. Yui himself has 
visited the
center several times. The name of the center has the word ?children?s? 
in it,
yet all ages can learn from the Saku Children?s Science Dome for the Future.

*   A direct contact via RA1AJN between cosmonaut Sergey Volkov RU3DIS and
students at "About Gagarin From Space: Ham Radio Session with the Members of
Cosmonautics Federation and Students" in St. Petersburg, Russia, was 
successful
on  2015-10-20 14:30 UTC.


Upcoming Contacts

*    Eleanor Palmer School, London,  United Kingdom, telebridge via VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be NA1S
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a  go for: Wed 2015-11-04 09:51:39 UTC 44 deg

*    Dragonskolan, Ume?,  Sweden, telebridge via VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go  for: Thu 2015-11-05 10:35:17 UTC 28  deg

Watch
http://www.ariss.org/upcoming-contacts.html
for information about upcoming contacts as they are scheduled.


[ANS thanks ARISS, and Charlie, AJ9N for the above information]


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From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 05:34:37 2015
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:34:37 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] 6m for Sats ? + ISS + SSETI Express
In-Reply-To: <2043844279.8315128.1446239192020.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2043844279.8315128.1446239192020.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2043844279.8315128.1446239192020.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5635A46D.8050705@gmail.com>

Any chance this could be repeated for AO-40?  Might get an idea of the 
satellite's orientation and tumble rate.

Greg  KO6TH


M5AKA wrote:
> The full SSETI Express Phase E 400-800 THz Downlink Report
> http://amsat-uk.org/2015/10/29/the-hunt-for-xo53/


From n0jy at amsat.org  Sun Nov  1 07:11:13 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:11:13 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
In-Reply-To: <5635770C.40906@denstarfarm.us>
References: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
	<CAN6TEUei-vGqQzmx6f1SruPw4ckfOcES0=rxszUj9P6=fhzwdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5635770C.40906@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <5635BB11.3090508@amsat.org>

The audio processing certainly doesn't take that long!
Somebody must be having what they perceive as a fun time, out
there...     :-)

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 10/31/2015 21:21, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
> On 31-Oct-15 2218, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> I heard the same thing on AO-85 recently. I would hear
>> myself coming back from the satellite in real time (plus
>> a slight delay for my SDR receiver & software),
>
> yeh, kidding aside ... O also thought it seemed like somebody sending it
> back up.
>
>
>


From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sun Nov  1 07:19:50 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:19:50 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
In-Reply-To: <5635BB11.3090508@amsat.org>
References: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
	<CAN6TEUei-vGqQzmx6f1SruPw4ckfOcES0=rxszUj9P6=fhzwdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5635770C.40906@denstarfarm.us> <5635BB11.3090508@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcoA-+vG43WjjcpPYRaqq-oThoDFfFTj6TMOnfgmfhT0g@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,

There was also some beeping heard early and late in the
0642 UTC AO-85 pass over the west coast. It didn't stay
for long, but it was there. Probably related to the audio
fun previously referenced.

Back to updating my log, and uploading telemetry...

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK


On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:

> The audio processing certainly doesn't take that long!
> Somebody must be having what they perceive as a fun time, out
> there...     :-)
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
>

From bryan at kl7cn.net  Sun Nov  1 07:21:31 2015
From: bryan at kl7cn.net (Bryan Green)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 00:21:31 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing my FM signal on AO-85 about 3 seconds later.
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUcoA-+vG43WjjcpPYRaqq-oThoDFfFTj6TMOnfgmfhT0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56357281.6030704@denstarfarm.us>
	<CAN6TEUei-vGqQzmx6f1SruPw4ckfOcES0=rxszUj9P6=fhzwdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5635770C.40906@denstarfarm.us> <5635BB11.3090508@amsat.org>
	<CAN6TEUcoA-+vG43WjjcpPYRaqq-oThoDFfFTj6TMOnfgmfhT0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5BEA17D6-14D2-4FC5-861A-6E66D0EE4ACF@kl7cn.net>

The beeping was probably me, sending a spotting tone. Sorry about that. I only tried it because it was a late-night pass.

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6

On Nov 1, 2015, at 00:19, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net> wrote:

Jerry,

There was also some beeping heard early and late in the
0642 UTC AO-85 pass over the west coast. It didn't stay
for long, but it was there. Probably related to the audio
fun previously referenced.

Back to updating my log, and uploading telemetry...

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK


On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:

> The audio processing certainly doesn't take that long!
> Somebody must be having what they perceive as a fun time, out
> there...     :-)
> 
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> 
> 
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From sil at calorific.co.nz  Sun Nov  1 07:39:27 2015
From: sil at calorific.co.nz (Sil)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:39:27 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite aprs packet capture.
Message-ID: <5635C1AF.3070001@calorific.co.nz>

Hi,

A while ago, I asked about ways to improve my delivery of capture 
satellite APRS packets. I didn't explain myself well, so I am making a 
second attempt.

It is perfectly possible that I misunderstand how this should work, or 
that I am doing something wrong.

I have a spare machine that has Windows and UIView installed  on it and 
I have been using that as an Sgate.

My Internet connection was not lost at all during this pass.

Shown below is a typical example of what I see.

UIView shows this packet (below) as gated to the Net (cut and pasted 
from the "Traffic gated from RF to the Internet" window) .
2015-Nov-01 06:42:14 PSAT-1>APOFF,ARISS,ZL2CIA,I:
s#023381,0z290,ajFLCGLBGgkFnIFJLHJjFnBECMGNfFlkEmLF

This is from the Findu site:
20151101064809 : 
W3ADO-1]BEACON,SGATE,qAR,UA0SNV-1:T#010,089,072,075,104,215,11111111,0001,1
20151101055630 : 
PSAT-1]APOFF,ARISS,qAS,EA6XQ:s#023352,0z290,JlAOJAIlApgAnNBNMBNkAnjAoMBLNCOeAjlA 

20151101055629 : PSAT-1]APOFF,ARISS,qAS,EA6XQ:!05 . S\127 . 
WS120/999/W3ADO s#023352,0z290
20151101053751 : 
PSAT-1]APOFF,TCPIP*,qAS,N0AN:T#098,806,071,919,873,771,00011100

I would expect my gated packet to appear on the APRS-IS  at 
20151101064214 (give or take a few seconds).
I would have thought it would be shown between the two records at
20151101055630
and
20151101064809

No other captured packet beat mine to the APRS-IS. In fact there are no 
packets at all from ZL or VK stations who would have been in the 
satellite footprint shown (none, as I write).

I looks to me as though the packet didn't make it to the APRS-IS. If any 
other station also gated packets during this pass (which seems likely), 
then those didn't make it either.

Is there anything I can change or alter at my end to improved the chance 
of captured and gated packets making it to the APRS-IS?


Sil


From vimone at alice.it  Sun Nov  1 13:41:45 2015
From: vimone at alice.it (Vincenzo Mone)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:41:45 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Anyone using HalloKepler
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALgqrd2N1rRAiaQvRd7pgRDCgAAAEAAAANSk/IAVaZ1BiWmNPAbUteABAAAAAA==@alice.it>

Hi Folks,
is there anyone using HalloKepler of DB3DH.
Since there has been lauunched new satellites, i cannot update the
keplerians 
With this program as it does not recognize their Catalog Number.
Any help?
Thanks

73's de Enzo IK8OZV
EasyLog 5 BetaTester
EasyLog PDA BetaTester
WinBollet BetaTester
D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
Skype: ik8ozv8520




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From mlengruesser at amsat-dl.org  Sun Nov  1 14:31:38 2015
From: mlengruesser at amsat-dl.org (Michael R. Lengruesser)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:31:38 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Anyone using HalloKepler
In-Reply-To: <56361F4F.8080207@amsat-dl.org>
References: <56361F4F.8080207@amsat-dl.org>
Message-ID: <5636224A.1060601@amsat-dl.org>


Hi Enzo,
the problem: Space Track and other gov.agencies are not providing Sat
keps launched with gov. and mil. ops until there's no collision with the
actual mission and no conclusions on the position of the main satellites
are given.

For example, the catalogue number 40967 (AO-85 / FOX 1 A) is listed at
Space Track, but there is no data accessible.

vy 73?s de

Michael R. Lengruesser, DD5ER

AMSAT-DL e.V.

-- International Satellites for
Communication, Science and Education --

mlengruesser at amsat-dl.org
http:/www.amsat-dl.org

Am 01.11.2015 um 14:41 schrieb Vincenzo Mone:
> Hi Folks,
> is there anyone using HalloKepler of DB3DH.
> Since there has been lauunched new satellites, i cannot update the
> keplerians 
> With this program as it does not recognize their Catalog Number.
> Any help?
> Thanks
> 
> 73's de Enzo IK8OZV
> EasyLog 5 BetaTester
> EasyLog PDA BetaTester
> WinBollet BetaTester
> D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
> Skype: ik8ozv8520
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From edc2491 at cox.net  Sun Nov  1 15:36:50 2015
From: edc2491 at cox.net (Ed Cunningham)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 08:36:50 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Senior moment
Message-ID: <000e01d114bb$2097e380$61c7aa80$@cox.net>

Got all set up for AO-50's 1500 Z pass over Arizona this morning.  Made
several contacts with 6, 7, 8, and 9 area call signs.  Went in the house,
pulled my recorder out of my pocket (I use an ear mike under my headphone)
and found that I forgot to turn it on.  They were all good contacts but,
unfortunately,  none will make into LoTW.  I'll have to write myself a note
and stick it on the radio to remind me to turn it on.  Hopefully we'll meet
again, my personal life gets in the way of my radio life so I am not always
available for the passes and right now I only have FM so I'm limited there
also.  

 

 73,

 

Ed, N7EC  


From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Nov  1 20:20:10 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:20:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PV8DX in GJ03
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpfxjiTVSxNo6PTZ-5BG13wBF+LtNHGRfT6C4fB97xHsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that PV8DX is in GJ03 until tomorrow afternoon if you
need the grid. He says he hasn't had any customers yet.

73,

Paul, N8HM

From kevin at eaglecreekobservatory.org  Sun Nov  1 22:10:02 2015
From: kevin at eaglecreekobservatory.org (Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:10:02 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Senior moment
In-Reply-To: <000e01d114bb$2097e380$61c7aa80$@cox.net>
References: <000e01d114bb$2097e380$61c7aa80$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00a601d114f2$0f4498d0$2dcdca70$@org>

I feel your pain!  I don't know how many times I've plugged the audio output
of my rig into the headphone jack of the sound card.  At least the software
that I currently use to record has a level and spectral output that's live
so I can immediately know if I'm getting audio or not.  At my age I still
have it all together but sometimes I forget where I put it.



Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE
EL09uf
http://www.eaglecreekobservatory.org
I was going to take over the world but then I saw something shiny!


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Ed
Cunningham
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 9:37 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Senior moment

Got all set up for AO-50's 1500 Z pass over Arizona this morning.  Made
several contacts with 6, 7, 8, and 9 area call signs.  Went in the house,
pulled my recorder out of my pocket (I use an ear mike under my headphone)
and found that I forgot to turn it on.  They were all good contacts but,
unfortunately,  none will make into LoTW.  I'll have to write myself a note
and stick it on the radio to remind me to turn it on.  Hopefully we'll meet
again, my personal life gets in the way of my radio life so I am not always
available for the passes and right now I only have FM so I'm limited there
also.  

 

 73,

 

Ed, N7EC  

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From the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp  Sun Nov  1 22:25:13 2015
From: the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp (J. Boyd (JR2TTS))
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 07:25:13 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Senior moment
In-Reply-To: <00a601d114f2$0f4498d0$2dcdca70$@org>
References: <000e01d114bb$2097e380$61c7aa80$@cox.net>
	<00a601d114f2$0f4498d0$2dcdca70$@org>
Message-ID: <20151102071916.BA0D.THE2BELO@msd.biglobe.ne.jp>

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:10:02 -0600, "Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE" <kevin at eaglecreekobservatory.org> wrote:

> At my age I still have it all together but sometimes I forget where I put it.

Eh. I'm 45 and recently I set up for a SO-50 pass with my Arrow antenna,
HTs on and ready, recorder ready, okay let's do this... and then I couldn't
hear a single thing coming down from the satellite. Nothing. WHAT THE
HECK IS GOING ON HERE? DID SO-50 FINALLY GIVE UP THE GHOST? OH
MY G- oh wait. 3/4 of the way through the pass I realized I had the
uplink and downlink HTs backwards.

Ugh.

-- 
J. Boyd, JR2TTS/NI3B
the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the2belo/
http://www.qrz.com/db/JR2TTS
Twitter: @Minus2_C


From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 11:06:41 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 06:06:41 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Using a preamp on VHF
In-Reply-To: <CACm2je2m6JtX-TWPud2AcqmuY7vbQpfjgGS4t=HZNUPkiguChQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACm2je2m6JtX-TWPud2AcqmuY7vbQpfjgGS4t=HZNUPkiguChQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACm2je2LmwZ8T3jiHDTsxQPtHFyZj-xX2A1rqG5ios-Nh6c5dw@mail.gmail.com>

For those of u who are using a very hot VHF receiver like the Ic 910,mine
specs at .11 for 20db,I found the ARR preamp mast mount model to have too
much gain.
I replaced the 78l05 with a 78l033and realigned for best noise figure.
I never used the preamp because of this problem.Now when I switch the
preamp on and turn the ic 910 ATT on, I can Dig a noisy signal out of the
dirt like never before.
Marginal copy way down below 1 degree becomes 59 .amazing.
Jeff WB8RJY

jeff broughton

From pconver at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 03:33:01 2015
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 00:33:01 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Pass.htm now w/dopplers & new sats
Message-ID: <CANTZqK=RoAHjZqGviLqO9J9_03Q83mJ+TUJnGB=A3T_usDd3fQ@mail.gmail.com>

Updated http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm shows now Sat freqs with dopplers.

EO-79/80 & IO-86 Sats added & displayed for your location & local time.

Comments/Suggestions welcome.

73, lu7abf, Pedro Converso

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 19:02:09 2015
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:02:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Great AO-85 pass East Coast US @ 1808 GMT 2-Nov-2015
Message-ID: <AE8A0CB821894044AD370FD7D668279F@OPT755>

Just a killer pass of AO-85 up the East Coast today.

It was in slow-speed / transponder mode the entire time and I was able to decode 47 telemetry packets - a personal best.  Imagine how well I would have done if I didn't look like an intoxicated girl throwing a baseball left-handed the way I wave the Arrow antenna around!

Got to improve my form, but at least living in the country nobody sees me.

Heard a number of people making contacts as well and the audio was extremely clear!


-Scott, K4KDR
Montpelier, VA  USA

From AJ9N at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 19:27:03 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:27:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-02 19:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <28cdb.437c3ce8.43691306@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-02  19:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Eleanor Palmer School, London, United Kingdom, telebridge  via VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1S
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-11-04  09:51:39 UTC 44 deg

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via  VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-05  10:35:17 UTC 28 deg

BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz, Austria, direct via  OE?ARISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS
The  scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS (***)
Contact is a go for: Mon  2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC 49 deg (***)

Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?BKA  (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***)
The  scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS (***)
The contact is a go for:  Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC 55 deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**

Interested  in hosting an ARISS contact?  The window is now open from 
2015-09-01 to  2015-11-01. These proposals will be for school contacts during the 
second half  of 2016.  Go to http://www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact 
or  http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html for full  
details.

To help organizations in preparing their proposals, the  ARISS Program 
Coordinator will offer hour-long online information sessions.  These are 
designed to provide more information regarding US ARISS contacts and  the proposal 
process and offer an opportunity to ask questions. While attending  an 
online information session is not required, it is strongly  encouraged.
These will be offered Thursday, September 17, at 2000 UTC;  Tuesday, 
September 22, at 2000 UTC, and Wednesday, September 30, at 2300 UTC.  Advance 
registration is necessary.  Email ARISS (ariss at arrl.org) to sign up  for an 
information  session.

****************************************************************************
**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-02 19:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1005.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 970.
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-10-30 05:00  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From af5cc2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 22:31:25 2015
From: af5cc2 at gmail.com (John Geiger)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:31:25 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cushcraft A270-10 center mount?:
Message-ID: <CAHC1P2-73j8xT-hhQpWSNM4YPUKKFAmRS2o2PSc6q8sHoYqsRw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Cushcraft A270-10S dualband VHF/UHF yagi, and it uses a rear mount
as it comes from the factory.  It would really work better for me if I
center mounted it instead.  I am running it horizontally polarized, so the
mast material won't matter.  Has anyone tried this?  If so, does it work
ok?  I called Cushcraft Tech Support about this and their tech thought that
it should work, but he didn't inspire a huge amount of confidence in me.

73 John AF5CC

From tcarchcape at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 22:49:08 2015
From: tcarchcape at yahoo.com (Tim Crawford)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness + Freq Suggestions
References: <250488839.920094.1446504548129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <250488839.920094.1446504548129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Made it out for my 5th attempt at an exchange on AO-85.
However, it was most disappointing in as much as a Ham in Southern California dominated the bird for a full 7 minutes of my pass; if the ham had been whipping out contacts I would not be objecting.? Instead, this ham was busy being Mr. Chatty and I think had no more than two separate conversions.? Discussions included some radio talk but also expanded out into promotion of a ham fest and discussion of mutual friends.
While I have not worked birds since 2012, I know that this type of behavior was frowned upon back then and for good reason.? When we go to the trouble to get our equipment into a location where we have a good clear line of sight and then only a limited window folks need to move along with just an exchange of call sign and maybe throw in the grid square if traffic permits.
This was not my first experience with this single ham hogging the time.

I am still without a contact and trying to figure out uplink freq.? Today, I took another hand held down with the downlink freq dialed in. The only two of my uplink attempts that caused a squawk? out of the second radio was when I was on 435.175 (not narrow band) just past the Max El, which was also just after the disappearance, at last, of Mr. Chatty.
Frankly, I am not sure when I will bother again; not worth the time and effort when I have to waste so much of the time with a Mr. Chatty hogging time, while still trying to dial everything in.

On the other hand, I do welcome any uplink suggestions RE both frequency and whether or not going with narrow band that anyone might have; previously, the only input I received was from a ham in Hi (thank you).
73
Tim CrawfordKE7TAC






From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 01:53:55 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:53:55 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao85 rudeness
Message-ID: <CACm2je01RYrN4Bw8jAEHAwt-42BSF_4p93VkRJ617xh-NcjAXg@mail.gmail.com>

There is a lot of good reading on the Internet regarding proper operating
procedures on satellite and article's on satellite ETIQUITE. Why not pass
that along to him.couldnt hurt.

jeff broughton

From w3mat03 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 11:36:12 2015
From: w3mat03 at gmail.com (W3MAT .)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:36:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao85 rudeness
Message-ID: <CAK=nGPbP+eVC1BwCY8s96TtYp16zwFR0fduEgyOoG=L=-_JA4A@mail.gmail.com>

Start your uplink at 435.165 st AOS and work up to 435.175 or .180 at
LOS.  Hope this helps.   I've worked it both wide and narrow.

 W3MAT


*Made it out for my 5th attempt at an exchange on AO-85.
However, it was most disappointing in as much as a Ham in Southern
California dominated the bird for a full 7 minutes of my pass; if the
ham had been whipping out contacts I would not be objecting.  Instead,
this ham was busy being Mr. Chatty and I think had no more than two
separate conversions.  Discussions included some radio talk but also
expanded out into promotion of a ham fest and discussion of mutual
friends.
While I have not worked birds since 2012, I know that this type of
behavior was frowned upon back then and for good reason.  When we go
to the trouble to get our equipment into a location where we have a
good clear line of sight and then only a limited window folks need to
move along with just an exchange of call sign and maybe throw in the
grid square if traffic permits.
This was not my first experience with this single ham hogging the time.

I am still without a contact and trying to figure out uplink freq.
Today, I took another hand held down with the downlink freq dialed in.
The only two of my uplink attempts that caused a squawk  out of the
second radio was when I was on 435.175 (not narrow band) just past the
Max El, which was also just after the disappearance, at last, of Mr.
Chatty.
Frankly, I am not sure when I will bother again; not worth the time
and effort when I have to waste so much of the time with a Mr. Chatty
hogging time, while still trying to dial everything in.

On the other hand, I do welcome any uplink suggestions RE both
frequency and whether or not going with narrow band that anyone might
have; previously, the only input I received was from a ham in Hi
(thank you).
73
Tim CrawfordKE7TAC*

From jim at coloradosatellite.com  Tue Nov  3 15:22:09 2015
From: jim at coloradosatellite.com (Jim White)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:22:09 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] ORS4 / PrintSat launch
Message-ID: <5638D121.4090702@coloradosatellite.com>

The ORS4 mission carrying 13 small satellites appears to be a go for 
this evening US time.  See the spaceflightnow.com lead story.

One of the cubesats is PrintSat which has a 3D printed structure and 
will measure the performance of that material over a three year 
mission.  PrintSat is an experimental satellite with a downlink at 
437.325 MHz. It will initially beacon every 1 minute with three packets 
of telemetry data. The modulation is 9600 bps GMSK and the packets are 
AX.25.  The output power is about 1.4W into a whip so it should be 
pretty easy to hear.  We do not have a general use telemetry decoder but 
we would very much appreciate reports of reception of the beacon.  If 
you hear it please send a report to
jim at coloradosatellite.com

Jim
wd0e at amsat.org
jim at coloradosatellite.com

From tcarchcape at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 16:40:02 2015
From: tcarchcape at yahoo.com (Tim Crawford)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] My Rudeness and Freq post
References: <573033954.1265180.1446568802898.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <573033954.1265180.1446568802898.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

A a great big thank you to everyone who replied to this topic,especially, a few special folks who took a great deal of time to replyoff list to me.
All help was and is very much appreciated.
A great community to be a member of!
73
Tim CrawfordKE7TAC

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  3 18:25:51 2015
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:25:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?iso-8859-1?q?Upcoming_ARISS_contact_with_Dragonskola?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?n=2C_Ume=E5=2C_Sweden?=
Message-ID: <8800F19E98474D759CB3F51501B0737A@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden on 05 Nov. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 10:35 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK6MJ. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

Dragonskolan is one of the biggest upper secondary schools in Sweden and is located in central Ume?. Currently hosting 1820 students aged 16-19 and 300 staff; it has recently been renovated to meet modern needs in a stimulating learning environment.

 

At Dragonskolan, we have an ethos where we believe we can offer our students three meaningful and enjoyable years. Our core values are "open and bright", referring not only to the physical surroundings but also to the social climate. 

 

Dragonskolan is the biggest meeting place for young people in Ume?, 

A wide range of 3 year programs, college preparatory and vocational, are offered here, ranging from natural science to humanities and technological science. 

 

At the core of the school is the Dragonskolan Technology Center where everything is taught from industrial welding technology to electronics, automation, computer science, CAD and much more.

 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1.  How would you describe the smell in space?

2.  Is going to space what you expected it to be?

3.  How dark is it dark in space?

4.  Have you ever fantasized about seeing an alien life form?

5.  Do you have access to internet and social media on the space station?

6.  What is the first thing you want to do when you get back home?

7.  What is the annual salary as an astronaut?

8.  When are humans expected to go to Mars?

9.  How does one feel in size aboard the space station?

10.  If a person is in the middle of a room in aboard the space station 

     without reaching the walls. How would that person move from that 

     position without throwing something in the opposite direction?

11.  Where does the oxygen come from?

12.  How has your vision of life changed from being in space?

13.  Which time is correct in space?

14.  How do you take a shower in low gravity?

15.  Do you ever get tired of each other on the space station?

16.  Don't you miss your family and friends?

17.  Do you think people get another view on our problems on earth after a 

     trip to space?

18.  What does it feel like to sleep in space?

19.  Was it worth all the training to go to space?

20.  What is the best experience you have had so far going to space?

 

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

 

1. BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz, Austria, direct via  OE?ARISS
   The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS
   The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
   Contact is a go for: Mon  2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC  

2. Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods,    

   Missouri, direct via N?BKA 
   The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 
   The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
   The contact is a go for:  Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC

  

 

ARISS is an international educational outreach program partnering the volunteer support and leadership from AMSAT and IARU societies around the world with the ISS space agencies partners: NASA, Russian Space Agency, ESA, CNES, JAXA, and CSA.

 

ARISS offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers on-board the International Space Station. Teachers, parents and communities see, first hand, how Amateur Radio and crewmembers on ISS can energize youngsters' interest in science, technology, and learning. Further information on the ARISS program is available at ariss.org. 

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 


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From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  3 19:41:19 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:41:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS Link-Up with ITU WRC-15 + London School ARISS
	Contact Nov 4
References: <1004374249.2629680.1446579679303.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1004374249.2629680.1446579679303.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

ISS Astronauts Link-Up with ITU WRC-15 in Geneva
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/03/iss-astronauts-link-up-itu-wrc-15/

Radio amateurs to help London children talk to ISS Wed Nov 4. Listen on Web and Echolink 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/10/31/radio-amateurs-help-london-children-talk-to-iss/

Young people build antennas at Goonhilly
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/10/28/young-people-build-antennas-at-goonhilly/

Ofcom issue new UK amateur radio licence guidelines 
http://www.essexham.co.uk/news/ofcom-updated-amateur-licence-guidance.html


73 Trevor M5AKA
----
AMSAT-UK?http://amsat-uk.org/
Twitter?https://twitter.com/AmsatUK
Facebook https://facebook.com/AmsatUK
YouTube?https://youtube.com/AmsatUK
----

From n6jsx at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 20:36:19 2015
From: n6jsx at yahoo.com (Dale Kubichek)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:36:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness
References: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

As I've noted on my YGroup ---- I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact. (if in doubt I DVR my pass attempt)? My pass attempt was inundated with an AZ-Guru chatting with a 5-land power boy, so it's not just 6-land - it is an ALL USA 'ETIQUETTE' problem. I'm hoping this is all due to the newness and excitement of having a good loud FM SAT up again. 
In a month from now you will see a fall off of OPs as the holidays consume many, snow-birds flock, and the effort to setup a pass will wain on many. I know I'll not be trying any portable HT-ARROW OPs when it gets windy below freezing outside. And Fox1C will soon fly helping to take some of the HAM load too. 

I'm cooling my heels on portable AO-85 OPs letting things settle.? 

But IF needed I'll start listing time/date of observed/DVR SAT-HOGs w/.mp3 on my YGroup for all to enjoy - not.? 
?Best regards,?? 
Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX/8
Sidney, OH 45365? EN70vh

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs


Message: 15
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tim Crawford <tcarchcape at yahoo.com>
To: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness + Freq Suggestions
Message-ID:
??? <250488839.920094.1446504548129.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Made it out for my 5th attempt at an exchange on AO-85.
However, it was most disappointing in as much as a Ham in Southern California dominated the bird for a full 7 minutes of my pass; if the ham had been whipping out contacts I would not be objecting.? Instead, this ham was busy being Mr. Chatty and I think had no more than two separate conversions.? Discussions included some radio talk but also expanded out into promotion of a ham fest and discussion of mutual friends.
While I have not worked birds since 2012, I know that this type of behavior was frowned upon back then and for good reason.? When we go to the trouble to get our equipment into a location where we have a good clear line of sight and then only a limited window folks need to move along with just an exchange of call sign and maybe throw in the grid square if traffic permits.
This was not my first experience with this single ham hogging the time.

73
Tim CrawfordKE7TAC


From flymooney at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 21:18:02 2015
From: flymooney at gmail.com (Patrick)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:18:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness
In-Reply-To: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5639248A.1040205@gmail.com>

On 11/3/2015 3:36 PM, Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> But IF needed I'll start listing time/date of observed/DVR SAT-HOGs w/.mp3 on my YGroup for all to enjoy - not.?
> ? Best regards,? ?
> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX/8
> Sidney, OH 45365?  EN70vh

I don't know if it would help out any but there's a website just for 
listing Lids:

http://www.lidlist.com/submit-a-lid/

Patrick
K4PNR



From red at redwilloughby.com  Tue Nov  3 22:02:04 2015
From: red at redwilloughby.com (Red Willoughby)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:02:04 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Status of XW-2E
Message-ID: <56392EDC.5010305@redwilloughby.com>

Has anyone heard any news about why XW-2E is off the air and its prognosis?

Red
KC4LE


From kg5axf at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 22:04:35 2015
From: kg5axf at gmail.com (Anthony Stortz)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:04:35 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness
In-Reply-To: <5639248A.1040205@gmail.com>
References: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5639248A.1040205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACrwA7HkKBNB-abR+59veWjp0shzTEKiagbGqx2nvr-O85N4Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Well the upside to people hogging up the AO-85 for me is that it makes it
easier for me to do demonstrations for the BSA Radio Merit Badge that I
council. Of course the downside being that I'd love to actually make a
contact for the Scouts.

73,

*Anthony Stortz*
KG5AXF
Clear Lake City, Houston, TX, USA
*EchoLink:* 969222

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Patrick <flymooney at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/3/2015 3:36 PM, Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>
> But IF needed I'll start listing time/date of observed/DVR SAT-HOGs w/.mp3
>> on my YGroup for all to enjoy - not.?
>> ? Best regards,? ?
>> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX/8
>> Sidney, OH 45365?  EN70vh
>>
>
> I don't know if it would help out any but there's a website just for
> listing Lids:
>
> http://www.lidlist.com/submit-a-lid/
>
> Patrick
> K4PNR
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From richard.siff at verizon.net  Tue Nov  3 22:12:07 2015
From: richard.siff at verizon.net (Rich/wa4bue)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:12:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness
In-Reply-To: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1719762122.1541209.1446582979810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <391D6CAA469B495CB6A619C809481EC4@BanjoPC>

Just one frequency for many square miles of coverage and everyone has their 
own ideas of operations. Even on local repeaters - they get timed out.

This is why we need more sats and frequencies.  Everyone can help do 
something about that.  It is better then just complaining - help fund the 
new sats. 


From bruninga at usna.edu  Tue Nov  3 22:27:30 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:27:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
Message-ID: <4c48e6a4229d9c31a32db7fd5ada31cf@mail.gmail.com>

> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO,
> which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.

Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.

Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the
pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..

To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.  One
receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even
better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.

http://aprs.org/psat.html

Text with everyone all at once.

Bob, WB4aPR

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Tue Nov  3 22:30:11 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:30:11 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
Message-ID: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>

I've reported this to the wily programmers.

However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
program crash ... complaining about Java ??


(Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)

A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
SatPC32 track.

I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
crash and the program needs re-start.

I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.

-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From n8hm at arrl.net  Tue Nov  3 22:41:55 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:41:55 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
In-Reply-To: <4c48e6a4229d9c31a32db7fd5ada31cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c48e6a4229d9c31a32db7fd5ada31cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqnE5WL90q1v7q3G9h52bYCha-bfPxbWVEfwQzF=F_nLg@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink
and it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to
set up to use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station
should be able to use it very easily.

Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help
increase the popularity?

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO,
>> which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
>
> Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
> wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
> 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
> duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
>
> Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the
> pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
>
> To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.  One
> receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even
> better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
> Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
>
> http://aprs.org/psat.html
>
> Text with everyone all at once.
>
> Bob, WB4aPR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From peter at m3php.com  Tue Nov  3 22:53:18 2015
From: peter at m3php.com (Peter Goodhall)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 22:53:18 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqnE5WL90q1v7q3G9h52bYCha-bfPxbWVEfwQzF=F_nLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c48e6a4229d9c31a32db7fd5ada31cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOqnE5WL90q1v7q3G9h52bYCha-bfPxbWVEfwQzF=F_nLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFvUair41rR62G=jpu1Gyi8jJm6UUj6wRS8oXocOODAFdixm0g@mail.gmail.com>

I think an award might be a good idea Paul, It's certainly a quiet
satellite when its over Europe, I've called via it a number of times and
never managed to actually work someone :-(

Peter, 2E0SQL

On 3 November 2015 at 22:41, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink
> and it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to
> set up to use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station
> should be able to use it very easily.
>
> Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help
> increase the popularity?
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> >> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO,
> >> which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
> >
> > Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
> > wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
> > 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
> > duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
> >
> > Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of
> the
> > pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
> >
> > To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.
> One
> > receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink.
> Even
> > better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
> > Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
> >
> > http://aprs.org/psat.html
> >
> > Text with everyone all at once.
> >
> > Bob, WB4aPR
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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-- 
Peter Goodhall, 2E0SQL

From g0mrf at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 23:02:50 2015
From: g0mrf at aol.com (David G0MRF)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:02:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re  FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <150cf93bfb7-5f08-1a1bf@webprd-m12.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <150cf96ae44-5f08-1a1e6@webprd-m12.mail.aol.com>


Hi
 


Yes, 1.01 crashes here every day, probably with the same message.
 
But to be fair, the only thing it stops doing, is sending data to the server. Everything else carries on as normal without loss of data.
 
You appear to be able to shut it down, then restart, after which it sends all the data to the server in a few seconds.
 
I can live with that.
 
73
 
David  G0MRF
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 22:30
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now


I've reported this to the wily programmers.

However, I was wondering if
others have their FoxTelem monitoring
program crash ... complaining about Java
??


(Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)

A little annoying now since I leave it
monitoring/decoding and let
SatPC32 track.

I came in both today and
yesterday to the window telling me about the
crash and the program needs
re-start.

I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates
.Now I
want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have
installed.

-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat
LM#901
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From kl0s at cox.net  Tue Nov  3 22:35:42 2015
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:35:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>
References: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <E62939E2-1B75-450A-8AA7-F4C0325C28AB@cox.net>

As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I?d love to work use the app but don?t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version.  I know it?s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn?t so but w/o some kind of workaround I?m reluctant to mess with it.

Dino KL0S

> On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
> 
> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
> 
> However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
> program crash ... complaining about Java ??
> 
> 
> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
> 
> A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
> SatPC32 track.
> 
> I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
> crash and the program needs re-start.
> 
> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901

From bruninga at usna.edu  Tue Nov  3 23:52:30 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:52:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room) Finding HF PSK31 ops?
Message-ID: <21c7f0f1f4a6a8309c3c63b4ae5c3bdb@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a good HF reflector for PSK31 people?

Maybe its just that satellite folks do not do HF PSK31 and HF PSK31
operators don't know about sateliltes?

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: prstoetzer at gmail.com [mailto:prstoetzer at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Stoetzer
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:42 PM
To: Robert Bruninga
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)

Bob,

It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink and
it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to set up to
use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station should be able to
use it very easily.

Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help
increase the popularity?

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which
>> prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
>
> Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
> wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow
> on
> 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous
> full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
>
> Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes
> of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
>
> To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31
> software.  One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on
> the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink
> client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no
> adjustments.
>
> http://aprs.org/psat.html
>
> Text with everyone all at once.
>
> Bob, WB4aPR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From k7trkradio at charter.net  Wed Nov  4 00:16:42 2015
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:16:42 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room) Finding HF PSK31 ops?
In-Reply-To: <21c7f0f1f4a6a8309c3c63b4ae5c3bdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21c7f0f1f4a6a8309c3c63b4ae5c3bdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101d11696$1589c170$409d4450$@charter.net>

Bob, probably the most knowledgeable PSK31 operators on the planet meet
here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/070/

You may have a good idea as this bunch is always looking for a new
event/challenge. (the Club has endorsement stickers that we get for
competing in special events. With no big investment in new gear, working
PSAT would likely be a doable deal. Suggest you join the reflector and make
a post. Since this is all new to them, start at the basics.

(if you have problems joining the Yahoo Group, I'll see if I can get you on
with a 'special guest appearance'..pls let me know) (or contact Matt King
direct. I have cc'd him here)

73, Ted

(Matt, pls contact me if any questions. Bob has a novel idea for an 070
event)

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:53 PM
To: Paul Stoetzer
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room) Finding HF PSK31 ops?

Is there a good HF reflector for PSK31 people?

Maybe its just that satellite folks do not do HF PSK31 and HF PSK31
operators don't know about sateliltes?

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: prstoetzer at gmail.com [mailto:prstoetzer at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Stoetzer
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:42 PM
To: Robert Bruninga
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)

Bob,

It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink and
it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to set up to
use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station should be able to
use it very easily.

Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help
increase the popularity?

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which
>> prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
>
> Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
> wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow
> on
> 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous
> full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
>
> Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes
> of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
>
> To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31
> software.  One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on
> the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink
> client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no
> adjustments.
>
> http://aprs.org/psat.html
>
> Text with everyone all at once.
>
> Bob, WB4aPR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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From johnag9d at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 02:39:16 2015
From: johnag9d at gmail.com (John Spasojevich)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:39:16 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Contact Audio - Thursday
Message-ID: <CA+qbou5A+ywvokferc7AuCPXkK9qGtAB9Bmsk-n=+6fZnjXz1A@mail.gmail.com>

Please join us in listening to the ISS contact with participants at

*Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden* on Thursday November 5th. AOS is anticipated
at 10:35 UTC

The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The
contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK6MJ in Australia. The
contact is expected to be conducted in English.

Audio from this contact will be fed into the:

EchoLink *AMSAT* (101377)

IRLP Node 9010 Discovery Reflector

Streaming Audio at: https://sites.google.com/site/arissaudio/

Audio on Echolink & web stream is generally transmitted around 20 minutes
prior to the contact taking place so that you can hear some of the
preparation that occurs. IRLP will begin just prior to the ground station
call to the ISS.

** Contact times are approximate. If the ISS executes a reboost or other
manoeuvre, the AOS (Acquisition Of Signal) time may alter by a few minutes
**

73,

John-AG9D

ARISS Audio Distribution Team

From wageners at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 02:43:53 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 20:43:53 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Contact Audio - Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CA+qbou5A+ywvokferc7AuCPXkK9qGtAB9Bmsk-n=+6fZnjXz1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+qbou5A+ywvokferc7AuCPXkK9qGtAB9Bmsk-n=+6fZnjXz1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHBxLGE-CBqo4EVjZOn-ktfejRd0p+tLGBrH1ts49PjjgA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks John!

Awesome job your are doing! Very much appreciated.

Stefan, VE4NSA

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:39 PM, John Spasojevich <johnag9d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please join us in listening to the ISS contact with participants at
>
> *Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden* on Thursday November 5th. AOS is anticipated
> at 10:35 UTC
>
> The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The
> contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK6MJ in Australia. The
> contact is expected to be conducted in English.
>
> Audio from this contact will be fed into the:
>
> EchoLink *AMSAT* (101377)
>
> IRLP Node 9010 Discovery Reflector
>
> Streaming Audio at: https://sites.google.com/site/arissaudio/
>
> Audio on Echolink & web stream is generally transmitted around 20 minutes
> prior to the contact taking place so that you can hear some of the
> preparation that occurs. IRLP will begin just prior to the ground station
> call to the ISS.
>
> ** Contact times are approximate. If the ISS executes a reboost or other
> manoeuvre, the AOS (Acquisition Of Signal) time may alter by a few minutes
> **
>
> 73,
>
> John-AG9D
>
> ARISS Audio Distribution Team
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From g0kla at arrl.net  Wed Nov  4 02:49:50 2015
From: g0kla at arrl.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:49:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <150cf96ae44-5f08-1a1e6@webprd-m12.mail.aol.com>
References: <150cf93bfb7-5f08-1a1bf@webprd-m12.mail.aol.com>
	<150cf96ae44-5f08-1a1e6@webprd-m12.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAJOf0+vDQ-nOUp4r4hEFq7nN=SsiwngfK7OuMYC5M+WQEj88tg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, the crash is know and is fixed in the version that is being tested by
the AMSAT test team.  We hope to release it very shortly.  Real life and
work seems to keep getting in the way :)

73
Chris

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:02 PM, David G0MRF via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org
> wrote:

>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Yes, 1.01 crashes here every day, probably with the same message.
>
> But to be fair, the only thing it stops doing, is sending data to the
> server. Everything else carries on as normal without loss of data.
>
> You appear to be able to shut it down, then restart, after which it sends
> all the data to the server in a few seconds.
>
> I can live with that.
>
> 73
>
> David  G0MRF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 22:30
> Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
>
>
> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
>
> However, I was wondering if
> others have their FoxTelem monitoring
> program crash ... complaining about Java
> ??
>
>
> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
>
> A little annoying now since I leave it
> monitoring/decoding and let
> SatPC32 track.
>
> I came in both today and
> yesterday to the window telling me about the
> crash and the program needs
> re-start.
>
> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates
> .Now I
> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have
> installed.
>
> --
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat
> LM#901
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via
> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested
> persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely
> those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an
> AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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>
>
>
>
>
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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-- 
Chris E. Thompson
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g0kla at arrl.net

From wageners at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 03:22:22 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:22:22 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room) Finding HF PSK31 ops?
In-Reply-To: <002101d11696$1589c170$409d4450$@charter.net>
References: <21c7f0f1f4a6a8309c3c63b4ae5c3bdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101d11696$1589c170$409d4450$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHAdCUcK=bua2jiaQ_OQaPn5nNKuHm3ecBpkcHE4uL25ng@mail.gmail.com>

Well,

That group certainly means business :-)

*"The request you sent us is to join the PODXS070 ClubLog group.  All
members must first be a PODXS 070 club members.  Please check our website,
PODXS070.com, and select the "Join Us" heading.  That will show you what is
required to join the PODXS 070 Club.  Please read carefully and fill out
the the membership application.  We require an adif copy of your log with
at least 50 unique psk31 qso's and  a copy of a qsl card you received from
working a psk31 station, or a match to at least 1 current PODXS 070
member.  We would really like to have you as a member, so please seriously
consider filling out the application. "*






On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:

> Bob, probably the most knowledgeable PSK31 operators on the planet meet
> here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/070/
>
> You may have a good idea as this bunch is always looking for a new
> event/challenge. (the Club has endorsement stickers that we get for
> competing in special events. With no big investment in new gear, working
> PSAT would likely be a doable deal. Suggest you join the reflector and make
> a post. Since this is all new to them, start at the basics.
>
> (if you have problems joining the Yahoo Group, I'll see if I can get you on
> with a 'special guest appearance'..pls let me know) (or contact Matt King
> direct. I have cc'd him here)
>
> 73, Ted
>
> (Matt, pls contact me if any questions. Bob has a novel idea for an 070
> event)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Bruninga
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:53 PM
> To: Paul Stoetzer
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room) Finding HF PSK31 ops?
>
> Is there a good HF reflector for PSK31 people?
>
> Maybe its just that satellite folks do not do HF PSK31 and HF PSK31
> operators don't know about sateliltes?
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: prstoetzer at gmail.com [mailto:prstoetzer at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Stoetzer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:42 PM
> To: Robert Bruninga
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
>
> Bob,
>
> It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink and
> it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to set up to
> use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station should be able to
> use it very easily.
>
> Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help
> increase the popularity?
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> >> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which
> >> prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
> >
> > Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
> > wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow
> > on
> > 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous
> > full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
> >
> > Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes
> > of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
> >
> > To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31
> > software.  One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on
> > the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink
> > client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no
> > adjustments.
> >
> > http://aprs.org/psat.html
> >
> > Text with everyone all at once.
> >
> > Bob, WB4aPR
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From wageners at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 03:43:01 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:43:01 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
In-Reply-To: <4c48e6a4229d9c31a32db7fd5ada31cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c48e6a4229d9c31a32db7fd5ada31cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHCeoWxrkjVanBYpWmBPrOqjiW75W1UX=gZ5r4NW5+hwVw@mail.gmail.com>

I like to see the 10m uplink "arrow" approach :-)

While PSAT-1 is a nice "proof of concept for PSK-31" in reality it does
nothing for the portable operator and that is what the original post is all
about. Bad behaviour is not solved by switching to different satellites and
different modes, it is solved by  education, courtesy and the "gentle"
reminder.

Using PSK31 is a great idea, the 10m uplink is the real issue for the
non-use of PSAT-1. Should I say "fatal flaw"? Not many of us have a 10m
dipole ready as part of our satellite setup (stationary or mobile for that
matter). It is time that we move on and promote digital modes on
frequencies that are actually used within the allocated satellite bands and
even better on higher bands where we have allocations and we don't use
them. How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF? That is a nice mobile
challenge combining portable TX ability with a tablet :-) and some new
apps. Let's think outside of the box for a while... and leave 10m on the
ground where it belongs LOL :-)

Food for thought,

Stefan, VE4NSA





On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:

> > I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO,
> > which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
>
> Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
> wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
> 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
> duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
>
> Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the
> pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
>
> To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.
> One
> receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink.
> Even
> better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
> Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
>
> http://aprs.org/psat.html
>
> Text with everyone all at once.
>
> Bob, WB4aPR
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From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 04:38:02 2015
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:38:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] TLEs for Hawaiian launch
Message-ID: <CAEMY9FcTKVBKKEnemqCYwXnDf23Q3qnow-p+fKgdpKAL9ZRVpw@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any updated TLEs for the launch that just happened in Hawaii?

Dave-KB1PVH

Sent from my Samsung S4

From jim at coloradosatellite.com  Wed Nov  4 04:38:49 2015
From: jim at coloradosatellite.com (Jim White)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:38:49 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] TLEs for Hawaiian launch
In-Reply-To: <CAEMY9FcTKVBKKEnemqCYwXnDf23Q3qnow-p+fKgdpKAL9ZRVpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEMY9FcTKVBKKEnemqCYwXnDf23Q3qnow-p+fKgdpKAL9ZRVpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56398BD9.3060008@coloradosatellite.com>

The launch failed.

On 11/3/2015 9:38 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
> Are there any updated TLEs for the launch that just happened in Hawaii?
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Samsung S4
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From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 04:40:29 2015
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:40:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] TLEs for Hawaiian launch
In-Reply-To: <56398BD9.3060008@coloradosatellite.com>
References: <CAEMY9FcTKVBKKEnemqCYwXnDf23Q3qnow-p+fKgdpKAL9ZRVpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56398BD9.3060008@coloradosatellite.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMY9FcT0CWYTAP+GzzAYvvXTgxFXdeDmnOEDuZv5jTEC1YVNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bummer!

I didn't have a chance to watch or check status.

Dave-KB1PVH

Sent from my Samsung S4

From Mvivona at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 04:58:44 2015
From: Mvivona at yahoo.com (Mvivona)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:58:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <E62939E2-1B75-450A-8AA7-F4C0325C28AB@cox.net>
References: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>
	<E62939E2-1B75-450A-8AA7-F4C0325C28AB@cox.net>
Message-ID: <83679907-DC85-4D97-B447-364CA7E1DBA8@yahoo.com>

My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward. 

Michael Vivona
Sent from my iPad

On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas <kl0s at cox.net> wrote:

As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I?d love to work use the app but don?t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version.  I know it?s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn?t so but w/o some kind of workaround I?m reluctant to mess with it.

Dino KL0S

> On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
> 
> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
> 
> However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
> program crash ... complaining about Java ??
> 
> 
> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
> 
> A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
> SatPC32 track.
> 
> I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
> crash and the program needs re-start.
> 
> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
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From va6bmj at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 05:06:06 2015
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 05:06:06 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] TLEs for Hawaiian launch
In-Reply-To: <56398BD9.3060008@coloradosatellite.com>
References: <CAEMY9FcTKVBKKEnemqCYwXnDf23Q3qnow-p+fKgdpKAL9ZRVpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56398BD9.3060008@coloradosatellite.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkOCSF4-O3STHojdFsyCkhRUOraLYQoaTjfnQeh2PaaOgA@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/4/15, Jim White <jim at coloradosatellite.com> wrote:
> The launch failed.
>

<snip>

Here are some details:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/11/super-strypi-spark-inaugural-launch/
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2015/11/03/super-strypi-launch-hawaii-fails/

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp  Wed Nov  4 06:16:21 2015
From: ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp (Mineo Wakita)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:16:21 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hawaiian launch failure
Message-ID: <7A67883C95464A7F92102B7E9DD49996@je9pel>

Launched at 03:45 UTC, Nov 4, 2015
But the mission has failed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsMegDZ_VFQ
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51104hwi.png
http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/11/03/ors-4-mission-status-center/

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita


From WA6FWF at comcast.net  Wed Nov  4 06:20:52 2015
From: WA6FWF at comcast.net (Kevin Schuchmann)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 22:20:52 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <83679907-DC85-4D97-B447-364CA7E1DBA8@yahoo.com>
References: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>
	<E62939E2-1B75-450A-8AA7-F4C0325C28AB@cox.net>
	<83679907-DC85-4D97-B447-364CA7E1DBA8@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5639A3C4.6000202@comcast.net>

Michael,
    Right now foxtelem doesn't get the same performance as some other 
programs, what you can do is download and install SDR# , then you will 
need vbcable (virtual audio cable) , let SDR# drive the dongle sending 
its audio to Vbcable and then set foxtelem to listen to the audio from 
vbcable, also make sure SDR# and foxtelem are both set to the same audio 
sampling i.e. 48000. On a good pass I get over a hundred decodes this 
way.  If you go this route and have questions concerning setup just ask.
73 Kevin WA6FWF

On 11/3/2015 8:58 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward.
>
> Michael Vivona
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas <kl0s at cox.net> wrote:
>
> As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I?d love to work use the app but don?t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version.  I know it?s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn?t so but w/o some kind of workaround I?m reluctant to mess with it.
>
> Dino KL0S
>
>> On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
>>
>> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
>>
>> However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
>> program crash ... complaining about Java ??
>>
>>
>> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
>>
>> A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
>> SatPC32 track.
>>
>> I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
>> crash and the program needs re-start.
>>
>> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
>> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
>>
>> -- 
>> 73,
>> Bob KD7YZ
>> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
>> AmSat LM#901
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Wed Nov  4 06:58:21 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:58:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-04 07:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <1da0ff.5f277e49.436b068d@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-04  07:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Special request contact:  ITU World Radio  Communication Conference 2015 
WRC-15, Geneva, Switzerland, direct via 4U1WRC  (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS (***)
The  scheduled astronauts are Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS, Kimiya Yui KG5BPH, and 
a  Cosmonaut (if possible) (***)
Contact was successful for: 2015-11-03 11:47  UTC 60 deg (***)
Congratulations to the ITU conference attendees!  (***)

Eleanor Palmer School, London, United Kingdom, telebridge via  VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1S
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-11-04  09:51:39 UTC 44 deg

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via  VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-05  10:35:17 UTC 28 deg

BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz, Austria, direct via  OE?ARISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS
The  scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go for: Mon  2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC 49 deg

Ste. Genevieve du Bois Catholic  Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?BKA
The ISS callsign  is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS
The contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC 55  deg

****************************************************************************
**

Interested  in hosting an ARISS contact?  The window is now open from 
2015-09-01 to  2015-11-01. These proposals will be for school contacts during the 
second half  of 2016.  Go to http://www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact 
or  http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html for full  
details.

To help organizations in preparing their proposals, the  ARISS Program 
Coordinator will offer hour-long online information sessions.  These are 
designed to provide more information regarding US ARISS contacts and  the proposal 
process and offer an opportunity to ask questions. While attending  an 
online information session is not required, it is strongly  encouraged.
These will be offered Thursday, September 17, at 2000 UTC;  Tuesday, 
September 22, at 2000 UTC, and Wednesday, September 30, at 2300 UTC.  Advance 
registration is necessary.  Email ARISS (ariss at arrl.org) to sign up  for an 
information  session.

****************************************************************************
**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-04 07:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1005.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 970.
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-10-30 05:00  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Wed Nov  4 09:52:07 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 04:52:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>
References: <56393573.1020303@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <5639D547.8040609@denstarfarm.us>


I was mainly interested in seeing if anyone else had JAVA installation
issues. I can't complain about how the FoxTelem program itself works as
mine decodes often down to 1 or 2 degrees elevation. Mine is mostly an
un-attended setup here as I am often not around to monitor the stuff.

Having read some examples via direct emails to me, I see that even if
the Java program caused the FoxTelem halt, any data previously collected
and as yet unreported, was in fact sent at next program start.

As yet I haven't figured out how to roll-back Java. That was what I
previously asked anyway.

In fact, is it Java or wht seems to be called, also,  the "JRE" ...
seemingly a seperate install.



-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From kb1hy2 at comcast.net  Wed Nov  4 12:04:21 2015
From: kb1hy2 at comcast.net (Peter Budnik)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 07:04:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS M2 LEO PACK
Message-ID: <7EE35DBB28F34713BB50E3F0FF5D74C5@PeterPC>

For Sale the M2 LEO SATELLITE Pack - Includes the 2MCP8A 2 Meter antenna and the 436CP16 70cm antenna and mounting boom. These antennas are like new and have been only up a few months. The antennas are together but can be taken apart for shipping. Have original shipping carton,manuals and lots of spare hardware and element clips. Can all so be picked up locally or can meet 50 miles or so miles to deliver.I do have pictures of them up if needed.Great antennas made many contacts on SO50 and FO29. Price is $400.00 + shipping or meet for delivery. 73 Peter,KB1HY 860-713-8820

From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 13:39:22 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:39:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 last evening
Message-ID: <CACm2je2tHeWg+VTUu6oSM==1tpc7mhBnrALuCJyO+0y9P+PTrg@mail.gmail.com>

I heard ,full quieting ,at AOS, Wyatt AC0RA identify at .4 degrees.He heard
my Reply at .5 Degrees both with crystal clear audio.We were both using 20
watts.Amazing!

jeff broughton

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Wed Nov  4 00:09:25 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:09:25 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
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Hi,

Over my location it's quiet most of the time, despite I can hear it.
It had two passes today at a good angle. On one of them I aimed at it 
the same setup I have for SO-50 and LilacSat-2 but no luck. On the 
second one I used the omni and 50W when at a lower angle, still no luck.
Applied possible frequency corrections based on reports from around the 
world, between 435.160 to 435.185. Zip, nothing.
Guess we still didn't get to know it well around here.

73 Pedro CU2ZG
HM77FR

On 03/11/2015 21:53, Peter Goodhall wrote:
> I think an award might be a good idea Paul, It's certainly a quiet
> satellite when its over Europe, I've called via it a number of times and
> never managed to actually work someone :-(
>
> Peter, 2E0SQL
>
> On 3 November 2015 at 22:41, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink
>> and it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to
>> set up to use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station
>> should be able to use it very easily.
>>
>> Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help
>> increase the popularity?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>>>> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO,
>>>> which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
>>> Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
>>> wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
>>> 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
>>> duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
>>>
>>> Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of
>> the
>>> pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
>>>
>>> To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.
>> One
>>> receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink.
>> Even
>>> better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
>>> Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
>>>
>>> http://aprs.org/psat.html
>>>
>>> Text with everyone all at once.
>>>
>>> Bob, WB4aPR
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From cpicoto at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  4 05:40:16 2015
From: cpicoto at hotmail.com (Carlos Picoto)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:40:16 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
Message-ID: <BLU402-EASDF26CC86082303F4D40FE0DA22A0@phx.gbl>

Michael, I had the same issue using FoxTelem with Funcube directly. Instead I have HDSDR RF recording from Funcube and feed the recordings to FoxTelem  afterwards.

Carlos (AD7NP)
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From: Mvivona via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:58 PM
To: Dino Papas
Cc: AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now


My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward. 

Michael Vivona
Sent from my iPad

On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas <kl0s at cox.net> wrote:

As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I?d love to work use the app but don?t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version.? I know it?s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn?t so but w/o some kind of workaround I?m reluctant to mess with it.

Dino KL0S

> On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
> 
> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
> 
> However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
> program crash ... complaining about Java ??
> 
> 
> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
> 
> A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
> SatPC32 track.
> 
> I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
> crash and the program needs re-start.
> 
> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
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From nss at mwt.net  Wed Nov  4 14:19:17 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:19:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
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Wow!
As a Old schooler, I'm quite the opposite! I was extremely happy when I 
saw the 10 meter use. I was on every mode "A" bird, LOVED those birds, 
and even the Russian mode "K"  I think it was? 10/15 meters.

NO-84 is a bird that almost 90% of hams have capability of. No special 
high priced all mode VHF/UHF rigs.
A cheap 100 buck like radio shack 10 meter rig and a scanner and youre 
on this bird. it's awesome. And unlike the single channel FM CB birds, 
you don't have the CB channel effect. Instead of one conversation at a 
time there can be dozens!

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/3/2015 9:43 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
> I like to see the 10m uplink "arrow" approach :-)
>
> While PSAT-1 is a nice "proof of concept for PSK-31" in reality it does
> nothing for the portable operator and that is what the original post is all
> about. Bad behaviour is not solved by switching to different satellites and
> different modes, it is solved by  education, courtesy and the "gentle"
> reminder.
>
> Using PSK31 is a great idea, the 10m uplink is the real issue for the
> non-use of PSAT-1. Should I say "fatal flaw"? Not many of us have a 10m
> dipole ready as part of our satellite setup (stationary or mobile for that
> matter). It is time that we move on and promote digital modes on
> frequencies that are actually used within the allocated satellite bands and
> even better on higher bands where we have allocations and we don't use
> them. How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF? That is a nice mobile
> challenge combining portable TX ability with a tablet :-) and some new
> apps. Let's think outside of the box for a while... and leave 10m on the
> ground where it belongs LOL :-)
>
> Food for thought,
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>
>>> I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO,
>>> which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
>> Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
>> wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
>> 435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
>> duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
>>
>> Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the
>> pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
>>
>> To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.
>> One
>> receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink.
>> Even
>> better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
>> Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
>>
>> http://aprs.org/psat.html
>>
>> Text with everyone all at once.
>>
>> Bob, WB4aPR
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From daniel at destevez.net  Wed Nov  4 14:57:52 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 14:57:52 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
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El 04/11/15 a las 14:19, Joe escribi?:
> Wow!
> As a Old schooler, I'm quite the opposite! I was extremely happy when I
> saw the 10 meter use. I was on every mode "A" bird, LOVED those birds,
> and even the Russian mode "K"  I think it was? 10/15 meters.
> 
> NO-84 is a bird that almost 90% of hams have capability of. No special
> high priced all mode VHF/UHF rigs.
> A cheap 100 buck like radio shack 10 meter rig and a scanner and youre
> on this bird. it's awesome. And unlike the single channel FM CB birds,
> you don't have the CB channel effect. Instead of one conversation at a
> time there can be dozens!

Unfortunately, NO-84 it's not terribly easy to hear, requiring some
rotator setup, circular omni with preamp or hand-pointed arrow. With a
hand-pointed arrow it's very easy to hear, but it's almost impossible to
work it in this manner. This is what's keeping me from being QRV in this
bird. I can be in my garden pointing the arrow or in the shack with the
10m station and PSK computer, but not on both.

However, for operators already having a fixed station capable of
receiving UHF satellites, it is easy to add the capability to transmit
on 10m, so perhaps more publicity is needed.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.


From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Wed Nov  4 16:28:12 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:28:12 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK @ Tucson Hamfest (Marana AZ), 7 November 2015
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUctPEkwzjvajOqQzcZjPWAJkU4Go+uqZhqTjzno=JoHow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I will have an AMSAT table at the Tucson Hamfest on Saturday, 7 November
2015, in Marana AZ. The hamfest is at the Marana Middle School, along the
eastbound I-10 frontage road at Grier Road, southeast of I-10 exit 236.
The hamfest is in grid DM42jk, approximately 25 miles/40km northwest of
downtown Tucson. More information about the hamfest is available at:

http://www.tucsonhamradio.com/tucson-hamfest/221-tucson-hamfest-2015

During the hamfest, WD9EWK will be on the air for demonstrations of amateur
satellite operating. Please call WD9EWK if you hear me on any passes, and
be a part of the demonstrations.

After the hamfest, all QSOs will be uploaded to Logbook of the World. If
you would like to receive a QSL card for QSOs made with WD9EWK at this
hamfest, please e-mail me directly with the QSO details. If you are in my
log, I will be happy to send you a QSL card. There is no need to first send
me a QSL card or SASE to get my card.

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From Mvivona at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 17:38:30 2015
From: Mvivona at yahoo.com (Mvivona)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:38:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <BLU402-EASDF26CC86082303F4D40FE0DA22A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <1154B124-C4F3-42DD-B56A-776E0DBDAA66@yahoo.com>

So, it sounds like a true hands off ground station using FoxTelem is not a reality at this point?
It would be great if it performed like the Funcube Dashboard program. 
If I leave the FoxTelem program in Track Doppler mode, then the cursor wanders way off frequency and finds some rf noise and locks itself there. When AO85 comes up the cursor never tracks back. Maybe a limit window like Funcube dashboard has might help?

Also, the signal from AO85 only makes a tiny bump on the visual spectrum scope. The signal I get from AO73 is a huge spike on the spectrum. Maybe being single sideband helps AO73 reception?

Michael - KC4ZVA
Sent from my iPad

On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Carlos Picoto <cpicoto at hotmail.com> wrote:

Michael, I had the same issue using FoxTelem with Funcube directly. Instead I have HDSDR RF recording from Funcube and feed the recordings to FoxTelem  afterwards.

Carlos (AD7NP)
Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Mvivona via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:58 PM
To: Dino Papas
Cc: AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now


My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward. 

Michael Vivona
Sent from my iPad

On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas <kl0s at cox.net> wrote:

As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I?d love to work use the app but don?t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version.  I know it?s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn?t so but w/o some kind of workaround I?m reluctant to mess with it.

Dino KL0S

> On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
> 
> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
> 
> However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
> program crash ... complaining about Java ??
> 
> 
> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
> 
> A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
> SatPC32 track.
> 
> I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
> crash and the program needs re-start.
> 
> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Wed Nov  4 17:51:16 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:51:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
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Michael,

I've had the same experience of FoxTelem not getting much of a signal
at all from the FCD. I'll not hear anything or see any signal and then
switch to HDSDR and hear a booming signal. Yet, I know that it is
working for some. I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.

It must be some setting, somewhere...

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> So, it sounds like a true hands off ground station using FoxTelem is not a reality at this point?
> It would be great if it performed like the Funcube Dashboard program.
> If I leave the FoxTelem program in Track Doppler mode, then the cursor wanders way off frequency and finds some rf noise and locks itself there. When AO85 comes up the cursor never tracks back. Maybe a limit window like Funcube dashboard has might help?
>
> Also, the signal from AO85 only makes a tiny bump on the visual spectrum scope. The signal I get from AO73 is a huge spike on the spectrum. Maybe being single sideband helps AO73 reception?
>
> Michael - KC4ZVA
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Carlos Picoto <cpicoto at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Michael, I had the same issue using FoxTelem with Funcube directly. Instead I have HDSDR RF recording from Funcube and feed the recordings to FoxTelem  afterwards.
>
> Carlos (AD7NP)
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
> From: Mvivona via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:58 PM
> To: Dino Papas
> Cc: AMSAT-BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
>
>
> My FoxTelem program never crashes, however it never decodes anything either. I can have a perfect overhead pass and using my FCD+ it sometimes will actually get an eye but never decode anything. The find satellite or Doppler lock is pretty much worthless here. The same setup on AO73 gets solid Doppler locks and decodes packets all the way across the sky. I am always bewildered to hear other users saying they are getting 45 packets or so from AO85. All the rocket science should be out of the way and this part should be pretty straight forward.
>
> Michael Vivona
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Dino Papas <kl0s at cox.net> wrote:
>
> As an aside, the FoxTelem program for the Mac requires you to downgrade from the latest Java to V6 - I?d love to work use the app but don?t want to have to replace the latest Java with a lesser less secure version.  I know it?s an issue with OS X and am sure the authors would prefer it wasn?t so but w/o some kind of workaround I?m reluctant to mess with it.
>
> Dino KL0S
>
>> On Nov032015, at 1730 PM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
>>
>> I've reported this to the wily programmers.
>>
>> However, I was wondering if others have their FoxTelem monitoring
>> program crash ... complaining about Java ??
>>
>>
>> (Java build 1.8.0_65-b17)
>>
>> A little annoying now since I leave it monitoring/decoding and let
>> SatPC32 track.
>>
>> I came in both today and yesterday to the window telling me about the
>> crash and the program needs re-start.
>>
>> I didn't have this problem before the last Java mandatory updates .Now I
>> want a link to be able to roll-back the Win7/64 version I have installed.
>>
>> --
>> 73,
>> Bob KD7YZ
>> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
>> AmSat LM#901
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From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Wed Nov  4 20:55:52 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:55:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
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On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
. I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
> direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.

I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna

As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors"
are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.

(B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java
crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM,
the data is uploaded.

So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.


-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From n0jy at amsat.org  Thu Nov  5 00:48:34 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:48:34 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <563A70D8.8090103@denstarfarm.us>
References: <BLU402-EASDF26CC86082303F4D40FE0DA22A0@phx.gbl>
	<1154B124-C4F3-42DD-B56A-776E0DBDAA66@yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOpeS2FC_R-FDcYPD1wh-SuqktoonZoMB0HnFAA8MNX8Jg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563A70D8.8090103@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <563AA762.6060101@amsat.org>

A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has
to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing
of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and
mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is
divided.  The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before
1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and
better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what
needs tweaking.  Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet
away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like
with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be
learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.

Remember - it's a hobby.     :-)

Thank you for your support.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
> On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
>> direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
> I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
>
> As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors"
> are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
>
> (B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java
> crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM,
> the data is uploaded.
>
> So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
>
>


From AJ9N at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 01:02:10 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:02:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-04 23:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <fe5b.16f48a35.436c0492@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-04  23:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Eleanor Palmer School, London, United Kingdom, telebridge  via VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The  scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact was successful: Wed  2015-11-04 09:51:39 UTC 44 deg (***)

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden,  telebridge via VK6MJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go  for: Thu 2015-11-05 10:35:17 UTC 28 deg

BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz,  Austria, direct via OE?ARISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go  for: Mon 2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC 49 deg

Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?KBA  (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
The contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-12  16:25:16 UTC 55  deg

****************************************************************************
**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-04 23:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1006. (***)
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 971.  (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-04 23:30  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From worth at maui.net  Thu Nov  5 01:26:39 2015
From: worth at maui.net (Tom Worthington)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:26:39 -1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fox-1 decoder
Message-ID: <563AB04F.1080103@maui.net>

It does not crash for me.  Running under Windows 10.
But is only seems to record about half the packets I decode.
73 and Aloha de NH6Y

From kk5do at arrl.net  Thu Nov  5 02:15:03 2015
From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:15:03 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2015 AMSAT-NA Symposium Proceedings
Message-ID: <563ABBA7.1000309@arrl.net>

We have the 2015 AMSAT-NA Symposium Proceedings, all 436 pages, 
available at the AMSAT online store. Unfortunately, due to the weight of 
this very large proceeding, it can only be mailed in the United States. 
There is a limited supply and once they are gone, they are gone.

Here is a direct link to the page in the store.

http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=135

73...bruce

-- 

Bruce Paige, KK5DO
                      
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
AMSAT Board Alternate 2015-2016
   
ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
           
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Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
               
Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
http://www.arrl.org

AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat


From skristof at etczone.net  Thu Nov  5 02:45:02 2015
From: skristof at etczone.net (Steve Kristoff)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:45:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Message-ID: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>

Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go.
Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update

Steve Kristoff AI9IN

skristof at etczone.com


From wageners at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 03:24:19 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:24:19 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and
groups. Please support it and make it happen :-)

Stefan, VE4NSA

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> wrote:

> Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS
> tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a
> pledge and I'd really like to see the project go.
> Check it out:
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
>
> Steve Kristoff AI9IN
>
> skristof at etczone.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From va3kkz at amsat.org  Thu Nov  5 03:48:54 2015
From: va3kkz at amsat.org (Daniel Kekez)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:48:54 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2015 AMSAT-NA Symposium Proceedings
In-Reply-To: <563ABBA7.1000309@arrl.net>
References: <563ABBA7.1000309@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <563AD1A6.30106@amsat.org>

On 11/05/2015 02:15, Bruce wrote:
> We have the 2015 AMSAT-NA Symposium Proceedings, all 436 pages,
> available at the AMSAT online store. Unfortunately, due to the weight of
> this very large proceeding, it can only be mailed in the United States.
> There is a limited supply and once they are gone, they are gone.

Are there any plans to sell an electronic (PDF) version that could be
purchased by people who live outside the USA?

Thanks and 73,
-Daniel, VA3KKZ

From wouterweg at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 12:32:50 2015
From: wouterweg at gmail.com (Wouter Weggelaar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:32:50 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKXf1rFhUN52x-yEP7Q9+oyYu5hK_g3wz3QkZKQA2KRM25QtOA@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project
is already available?
What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would
take this huge amount of money.

Wouter PA3WEG

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and
> groups. Please support it and make it happen :-)
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
> APRS
> > tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a
> > pledge and I'd really like to see the project go.
> > Check it out:
> >
> >
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
> >
> > Steve Kristoff AI9IN
> >
> > skristof at etczone.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>

From skristof at etczone.com  Thu Nov  5 13:54:48 2015
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 08:54:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAKXf1rFhUN52x-yEP7Q9+oyYu5hK_g3wz3QkZKQA2KRM25QtOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKXf1rFhUN52x-yEP7Q9+oyYu5hK_g3wz3QkZKQA2KRM25QtOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97e08c6060f83cae094c34a25574b029@etczone.com>

 

I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up
company/project. If they want to produce these things in large
quantities then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to
do that for them. 

I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one
of these on your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year
learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could
even think about putting one of these things together. 

This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs
that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology
without a lot of hassle and expense. 

This seems like a worthwhile project to me. 

Steve AI9IN 

On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote: 

> Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project
> is already available?
> What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would
> take this huge amount of money.
> 
> Wouter PA3WEG
> 
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan, VE4NSA On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> wrote: Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update [1] Steve Kristoff AI9IN skristof at etczone.com _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb [2] _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb [2]

_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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Links:
------
[1]
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
[2] http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From wageners at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 14:06:11 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:06:11 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <97e08c6060f83cae094c34a25574b029@etczone.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKXf1rFhUN52x-yEP7Q9+oyYu5hK_g3wz3QkZKQA2KRM25QtOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<97e08c6060f83cae094c34a25574b029@etczone.com>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHDON+hfjNHQ6NR9z7aH-C1ZjCFw7R6=q+et-WAJs7trTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Agree,

He also wants to have the boards populated automatically to get away from
hand-soldering all the SMDs. Yes, the board layout and files are available
for free (open source) on his website including the source code (open
source) for the Arduino he is using. Actually very transparent operation
and yes, a simple email to Mike about his project will result in a very
quick response back.

73, Stefan, VE4NSA

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:

> I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up
> company/project. If they want to produce these things in large quantities
> then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that for
> them.
>
> I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one
> of these on  your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year
> learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could even
> think about putting one of these things together.
>
> This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs that
> want to help science teachers introduce students to technology without a
> lot of hassle and expense.
>
> This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project
> is already available?
> What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would
> take this huge amount of money.
>
> Wouter PA3WEG
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for
> schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan, VE4NSA
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net>
> wrote:
>
> Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
>
> APRS
>
> tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a
> pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
>
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
>
> Steve Kristoff AI9IN skristof at etczone.com
> _______________________________________________ Sent via
> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
> interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>
> Opinions
>
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
> satellite
>
> program!
>
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________ Sent via
> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
> interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
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> satellite program! Subscription settings:
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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>

From nss at mwt.net  Thu Nov  5 14:24:08 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:24:08 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>

I just wish he gave more details.
especially estimated price when ready. at least.
Power?
Freq agility etc.
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/4/2015 9:24 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and
> groups. Please support it and make it happen :-)
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> wrote:
>
>> Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS
>> tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a
>> pledge and I'd really like to see the project go.
>> Check it out:
>>
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
>>
>> Steve Kristoff AI9IN
>>
>> skristof at etczone.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 14:33:43 2015
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:33:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
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Joe,

Some of those questions are answered on this page.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description

Dave-KB1PVH

Sent from my Samsung S4

From mccardelm at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 14:41:34 2015
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (EMike McCardel)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:41:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Lost at Symposium
Message-ID: <21DCF338-879C-4D92-B9FE-56F5953BD5DA@gmail.com>

I can't seem to locate my Arrow Antenna. I last remember having it when I checked out on Sunday. The Arrow is in the purple cloth wrap case I purchased with it. My call sign might be sharpies to the shaft. The hotel is checking lost and found and have yet to find it. Also left behind was an ARISS poster. 
I would like to recover the Arrow and will gladly pay for postage.

Thanks,

EMike

EMike McCardel, KC8YLD
VP for Educational Relations AMSAT-NA

Sent from my iPhone

From wouterweg at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 15:43:44 2015
From: wouterweg at gmail.com (Wouter Weggelaar)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:43:44 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
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Thanks Stefan,

That was not at all clear from a glance through the page.
Normally I expect a section what the money is for and this page does not
have that at all.

I was just wondering why it needs 22000 instead of, say, 1000 for two
prototypes.
But if they need a pick and place machine set up, I guess this number is
needed to pay for the machines minimum batch.


Wouter


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree,
>
> He also wants to have the boards populated automatically to get away from
> hand-soldering all the SMDs. Yes, the board layout and files are available
> for free (open source) on his website including the source code (open
> source) for the Arduino he is using. Actually very transparent operation
> and yes, a simple email to Mike about his project will result in a very
> quick response back.
>
> 73, Stefan, VE4NSA
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up
>> company/project. If they want to produce these things in large quantities
>> then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that for
>> them.
>>
>> I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one
>> of these on  your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year
>> learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could even
>> think about putting one of these things together.
>>
>> This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs
>> that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology without
>> a lot of hassle and expense.
>>
>> This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
>>
>> Steve AI9IN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project
>> is already available?
>> What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would
>> take this huge amount of money.
>>
>> Wouter PA3WEG
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for
>> schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan, VE4NSA
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
>>
>> APRS
>>
>> tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a
>> pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
>>
>>
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
>>
>> Steve Kristoff AI9IN skristof at etczone.com
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From bryce.salmi at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 17:12:02 2015
From: bryce.salmi at gmail.com (Bryce Salmi)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:12:02 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
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References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah pick and place on two PCBA's will be hundreds of dollars per board for
just placement. Pick and place on hundreds of boards will be a few dollars
per board. Even this kickstarter is considered small quantities. making
several hundred of them is peanuts in comparison to board house production
runs!

Bryce

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Wouter Weggelaar <wouterweg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Stefan,
>
> That was not at all clear from a glance through the page.
> Normally I expect a section what the money is for and this page does not
> have that at all.
>
> I was just wondering why it needs 22000 instead of, say, 1000 for two
> prototypes.
> But if they need a pick and place machine set up, I guess this number is
> needed to pay for the machines minimum batch.
>
>
> Wouter
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Agree,
> >
> > He also wants to have the boards populated automatically to get away from
> > hand-soldering all the SMDs. Yes, the board layout and files are
> available
> > for free (open source) on his website including the source code (open
> > source) for the Arduino he is using. Actually very transparent operation
> > and yes, a simple email to Mike about his project will result in a very
> > quick response back.
> >
> > 73, Stefan, VE4NSA
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:54 AM, <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up
> >> company/project. If they want to produce these things in large
> quantities
> >> then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that
> for
> >> them.
> >>
> >> I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one
> >> of these on  your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year
> >> learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could
> even
> >> think about putting one of these things together.
> >>
> >> This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs
> >> that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology
> without
> >> a lot of hassle and expense.
> >>
> >> This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
> >>
> >> Steve AI9IN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
> >>
> >> Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this
> project
> >> is already available?
> >> What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would
> >> take this huge amount of money.
> >>
> >> Wouter PA3WEG
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for
> >> schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan,
> VE4NSA
> >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
> >>
> >> APRS
> >>
> >> tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than
> a
> >> pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
> >>
> >> Steve Kristoff AI9IN skristof at etczone.com
> >> _______________________________________________ Sent via
> >> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
> >> interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> >>
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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 17:16:46 2015
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:16:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for bringing that to the group's attention.

Seems like a decent project to me, and not the first one I've funded.  So
I'm in for one of the ready to go devices.

Hope it gets completely funded.

73, Bob, WB4SON


On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> wrote:

> Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS
> tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a
> pledge and I'd really like to see the project go.
> Check it out:
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521?ref=backer_project_update
>
> Steve Kristoff AI9IN
>
> skristof at etczone.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Thu Nov  5 23:00:26 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:00:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAEMY9Fe9XQ9krYCuH-WkjqO=Sij5kLVuFbRYi1o+1xt+_rAFGw@mail.gmail.com>
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The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often
than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.  If those
limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the
national APRS frequency.

Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards
because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and
apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave Webb
KB1PVH
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM
To: Joe
Cc: AMSAT -BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter

Joe,

Some of those questions are answered on this page.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description

Dave-KB1PVH

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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:18:34 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:18:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
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	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
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Well they used "one minute" to give a battery life example:

"It is able to report location, altitude, temperature pressure and
humidity to the internet once a minute for twelve hours with 2xAA
batteries."

Someone contact them?

John, KG4AKV

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an abomination
> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often
> than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.  If those
> limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the
> national APRS frequency.
>
> Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards
> because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and
> apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> KB1PVH
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM
> To: Joe
> Cc: AMSAT -BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
>
> Joe,
>
> Some of those questions are answered on this page.
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Samsung S4
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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:19:19 2015
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:19:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
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Bob,

You may want to share your very valid concerns with the developer of the
project (Mike Bales, KI6VBK) who can be reached here:

beta at tracksoar.com

SInce he's part of the group that has developed the hardware and the code,
and since it's open source, it should be possible to have the path and
beacon rate set properly, as long as they know what to do.

73, Bob, WB4SON


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:

> The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an abomination
> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often
> than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.  If those
> limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the
> national APRS frequency.
>
> Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards
> because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and
> apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> KB1PVH
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM
> To: Joe
> Cc: AMSAT -BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
>
> Joe,
>
> Some of those questions are answered on this page.
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Samsung S4
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 23:22:34 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:22:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-05 23:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <1dac9a.7ff61d39.436d3eb9@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-05  23:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VK6MJ
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact was not successful: Thu 2015-11-05 10:35:17 UTC 28  deg
Kjell was unable to participate due to his workload.  ARISS will  attempt 
to reschedule.  (***)

BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz,  Austria, direct via OE?ARISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go  for: Mon 2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC 49 deg

Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?KBA
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS
The contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC 55  deg

****************************************************************************
**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

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Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

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The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-05 23:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1006. 
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 971. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

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The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-04 23:30  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

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73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From bryce.salmi at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:56:09 2015
From: bryce.salmi at gmail.com (Bryce Salmi)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:56:09 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ8tDBWd0kGFtikgq9G1=WCMyEWHxM_Y+4Sx2_TjYYW4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
	<CAEMY9Fe9XQ9krYCuH-WkjqO=Sij5kLVuFbRYi1o+1xt+_rAFGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPonRZ8tDBWd0kGFtikgq9G1=WCMyEWHxM_Y+4Sx2_TjYYW4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN5j0sq4RUVHmrj+N0MG4oVQZpKuXiAQpJeCm3_+A7J=mk60Bw@mail.gmail.com>

The entire idea is that it's open source... so even if the standard code in
the repository complies it will not stop anyone from changing it to be 1
per second or 1 per decade... i.e you get my point.

Bryce

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Bob <WB4SON at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> You may want to share your very valid concerns with the developer of the
> project (Mike Bales, KI6VBK) who can be reached here:
>
> beta at tracksoar.com
>
> SInce he's part of the group that has developed the hardware and the code,
> and since it's open source, it should be possible to have the path and
> beacon rate set properly, as long as they know what to do.
>
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>
> > The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an abomination
> > to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often
> > than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.  If those
> > limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the
> > national APRS frequency.
> >
> > Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards
> > because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and
> > apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave
> Webb
> > KB1PVH
> > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM
> > To: Joe
> > Cc: AMSAT -BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Some of those questions are answered on this page.
> >
> >
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung S4
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
> > all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > views of AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 01:03:50 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:03:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Colorado Amateur Satellite net Begins in 1 hour
Message-ID: <CAJNyT08MP-+s6y0jnm1tZWq4msNGgw6-u+ZzULKC-cP12zMezg@mail.gmail.com>

This is a reminder that the Colorado Amateur Satellite net will begin in 1
hour from now (7PM mountain time Thursday).

6PM Pacific
7PM Mountain
8PM Central
9PM Eastern


Please visit us on

*AMSATNET.INFO <http://amsatnet.info/>*

*IRLP*
9870, the Denver Reflector

*ALLSTAR LINK*

40764, direct hookup to the repeater here. 41715, KC9ZHV hub at a data
center if I am out of bandwidth. More info on AllStar - amsatnet.info/#node

*ECHOLINK*

*AMSAT*  unless there is an ARISS contact, then go direct to KD0WHB-L

*LOCAL RF*
449.875 (-) 103.5 (the Rocky Mountain Radio League repeater on Eldorado
Mountain)
447.225 (-) 141.3 (The STEM school repeater we set up)
447.850 (-) 141.3 (AC?KQ's repeater where he lives on TOP of saddleback
mountain)
449.625 (-) 141.3 ( W?KU Lookout Mountain) Possibly here, not for sure yet
147.450 SIMPLEX (Aurora, CO)
446.275 (-) 100.0 Galena St. Local repeater at my house, giving a whoppin 5
blocks of great coverage

*REMOTE RF*

Your Repeater here!, Email me if you want to link in or me to link your
echolink or allstar repeater in automatically (no automatic IRLP linking
supported)



Skyler Fennell
amsatnet.info
KD?WHB
electricity440 at gmail.com

From rwmcgwier at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 04:54:06 2015
From: rwmcgwier at gmail.com (Robert McGwier)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:54:06 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] PARC presentation on Phase 4B
Message-ID: <CA+K5gzeB_dJHt3pOQ2ikkEZ-Cv-4c+kMf7fEvtUYc9qBgEafgA@mail.gmail.com>

Last night W5NYV, KA9Q, KB5MU, KF6WTN made a presentation to the Palomar
Amateur Radio Club about Phase 4B.  Project member KA6OYD was in
attendance.  I was sorry I could not be there but I enjoyed this live
streaming.  You can enjoy it and learn from it on youtube.


https://youtu.be/-pjsS4OLg8w

-- 
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Research Professor Virginia Tech
Dir. Research:  The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and
Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
Faculty Advisor Virginia Tech Amateur Radio Assn. (K4KDJ)
Director of AMSAT

From sil at calorific.co.nz  Fri Nov  6 07:43:01 2015
From: sil at calorific.co.nz (Sil)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:43:01 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite APRS Double hop
Message-ID: <563C5A05.702@calorific.co.nz>

Hi,

This afternoon both PSAT and the ISS were visible from my location at 
the same time and likely close enough to each other that a "double hop" 
was probably possible.

I am not sure what the best path to use would be to do this. Any 
suggestions? It would be fun to make an QSO into Western Australia this way.

Sil

From ea4gqs at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 11:09:07 2015
From: ea4gqs at gmail.com (Felix Paez)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:09:07 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 vs SO-50 for newbies with modest equipment
Message-ID: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody from Spain,

first of all, thanks for your patience. I am a new HAM since October 2014
and I have just begun with satellites some months ago...

I want to add the point of view of a newbie to sat operation like me to the
list, specially for people that could be beginning like me.

First of all, as a newbie, I only have a Baofeng UV-5R (half duplex) and an
Elk Antenna. I think this could be the very first beginning equipment for
everybody (this is only 30 eur + 200 eur = 230 eur). I use ISS detector for
tracking (it is better for me than Amsat Droid Free because it has a
compass, so the track is really easy).

When a SAT is going to pass near my QTH I go down to a park after walking
15 mins and there I connect the Elk to the Baofeng.

With this, it has been very easy for me making contacts in SO-50 including
not very high passes. Why? Because when I hear people I know I can work
them. When I hear somebody calling, I am sure that when I press the PTT i
will be in the SAT. Hearing people gives you a lot of information in SO-50.

This is not the same when I try AO-85. I hear people all the time, but that
does not guarantee me they will hear me. Maybe I am 5 Khz down or maybe I
am 5 Khz up and because I am working half duplex, I can't check it. I have
to wait for silences and try other freq. I haven't been able yet to make a
contact in AO-85.

The conclusion for me is that it is easy to work V/U FM satellites in half
duplex and it is complicated in U/V at least for people beginning like me.

I tell this because I have read in the AO-85 document all the advantages
that U/V mode has but I don't know if that compensates the added difficult
it has for people working with modest half duplex equipment. So this does
not seem an entry satellite to begin with...

This is a just beginner comment on the SAT. I am sure in next passes I will
be able to make some contacts with some luck (I am going to buy a Midland
CT-890 full duplex HT too).

I want to congrat the AO-85 team for their work. It is indeed a great sat!
:) but I wanted to share my thought about if it is not better to have and
V/U repeater than an U/V one.

Thanks everybody. I am learning a lot with this list.

Felix - EA4GQS

From skristof at etczone.com  Fri Nov  6 13:55:13 2015
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:55:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 vs SO-50 for newbies with modest equipment
In-Reply-To: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0798ed8b9de77ba5649799c54e2140f6@etczone.com>

 

Thank you, Felix. 

As with any email list there will be people who disagree with you. 

However, I agree with your conclusion. I have made many contacts on
SO-50. 

But, based on reading all the problems people are having with AO-85, I
have yet to try a contact on that satellite. 

I'm sure I will try it at some time, and eventually I will probably come
up with a contact, but I do agree that V/U satellites should be easier
to work in principle. 

Steve AI9IN 

On 2015-11-06 06:09, Felix Paez wrote: 

> Hi everybody from Spain,
> 
> first of all, thanks for your patience. I am a new HAM since October 2014
> and I have just begun with satellites some months ago...
> 
> I want to add the point of view of a newbie to sat operation like me to the
> list, specially for people that could be beginning like me.
> 
> First of all, as a newbie, I only have a Baofeng UV-5R (half duplex) and an
> Elk Antenna. I think this could be the very first beginning equipment for
> everybody (this is only 30 eur + 200 eur = 230 eur). I use ISS detector for
> tracking (it is better for me than Amsat Droid Free because it has a
> compass, so the track is really easy).
> 
> When a SAT is going to pass near my QTH I go down to a park after walking
> 15 mins and there I connect the Elk to the Baofeng.
> 
> With this, it has been very easy for me making contacts in SO-50 including
> not very high passes. Why? Because when I hear people I know I can work
> them. When I hear somebody calling, I am sure that when I press the PTT i
> will be in the SAT. Hearing people gives you a lot of information in SO-50.
> 
> This is not the same when I try AO-85. I hear people all the time, but that
> does not guarantee me they will hear me. Maybe I am 5 Khz down or maybe I
> am 5 Khz up and because I am working half duplex, I can't check it. I have
> to wait for silences and try other freq. I haven't been able yet to make a
> contact in AO-85.
> 
> The conclusion for me is that it is easy to work V/U FM satellites in half
> duplex and it is complicated in U/V at least for people beginning like me.
> 
> I tell this because I have read in the AO-85 document all the advantages
> that U/V mode has but I don't know if that compensates the added difficult
> it has for people working with modest half duplex equipment. So this does
> not seem an entry satellite to begin with...
> 
> This is a just beginner comment on the SAT. I am sure in next passes I will
> be able to make some contacts with some luck (I am going to buy a Midland
> CT-890 full duplex HT too).
> 
> I want to congrat the AO-85 team for their work. It is indeed a great sat!
> :) but I wanted to share my thought about if it is not better to have and
> V/U repeater than an U/V one.
> 
> Thanks everybody. I am learning a lot with this list.
> 
> Felix - EA4GQS
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb [1]
 

Links:
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From burns at fisher.cc  Fri Nov  6 14:04:58 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:04:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 vs SO-50 for newbies with modest equipment
In-Reply-To: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxWb4mceVyf8NKvWGHQBC3XRjaQPVV7yBB1jJNSp4_dAaA@mail.gmail.com>

Hola Felix,

I just wanted to say something about your thought that the issue with
AO-85 is U/V vs V/U.  We realize there are issues with AO-85, but this
is not necessarily related to the uplink vs downlink band.  We plan to
address the issues that have been found on future members of the Fox-1
series.

If you are on Facebook, you might want to check out the AMSAT North
America group.  There is also an AMSAT-UK Facebook group and probably
others.

Good luck and have fun with SO-50 as well as this great new crop of
satellites being launched all around the world!

73,

Burns W2BFJ

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Felix Paez <ea4gqs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody from Spain,
>
> first of all, thanks for your patience. I am a new HAM since October 2014
> and I have just begun with satellites some months ago...
>
> I want to add the point of view of a newbie to sat operation like me to the
> list, specially for people that could be beginning like me.
>
> First of all, as a newbie, I only have a Baofeng UV-5R (half duplex) and an
> Elk Antenna. I think this could be the very first beginning equipment for
> everybody (this is only 30 eur + 200 eur = 230 eur). I use ISS detector for
> tracking (it is better for me than Amsat Droid Free because it has a
> compass, so the track is really easy).
>
> When a SAT is going to pass near my QTH I go down to a park after walking
> 15 mins and there I connect the Elk to the Baofeng.
>
> With this, it has been very easy for me making contacts in SO-50 including
> not very high passes. Why? Because when I hear people I know I can work
> them. When I hear somebody calling, I am sure that when I press the PTT i
> will be in the SAT. Hearing people gives you a lot of information in SO-50.
>
> This is not the same when I try AO-85. I hear people all the time, but that
> does not guarantee me they will hear me. Maybe I am 5 Khz down or maybe I
> am 5 Khz up and because I am working half duplex, I can't check it. I have
> to wait for silences and try other freq. I haven't been able yet to make a
> contact in AO-85.
>
> The conclusion for me is that it is easy to work V/U FM satellites in half
> duplex and it is complicated in U/V at least for people beginning like me.
>
> I tell this because I have read in the AO-85 document all the advantages
> that U/V mode has but I don't know if that compensates the added difficult
> it has for people working with modest half duplex equipment. So this does
> not seem an entry satellite to begin with...
>
> This is a just beginner comment on the SAT. I am sure in next passes I will
> be able to make some contacts with some luck (I am going to buy a Midland
> CT-890 full duplex HT too).
>
> I want to congrat the AO-85 team for their work. It is indeed a great sat!
> :) but I wanted to share my thought about if it is not better to have and
> V/U repeater than an U/V one.
>
> Thanks everybody. I am learning a lot with this list.
>
> Felix - EA4GQS
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From daniel at destevez.net  Fri Nov  6 14:44:53 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:44:53 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 vs SO-50 for newbies with modest equipment
In-Reply-To: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGfY+e3o0Bp7hJd+mapu-tSOQqmEgM-ofo9=N9Cn8x2fq67bJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563CBCE5.8030405@destevez.net>

Hi Felix,

I'm also having a bit of trouble working AO-85. My equipment for FM sats
is an arrow antenna, FT-817ND for RX and FT-2DE for TX.

With this I can work SO-50 without any problems. Whenever more that a
couple of degree's over the horizon, I can hear it well and I hit the
transponder perfectly. In fact, the UHF downlink helps a bit in pointing
the antenna, and I would usually point it by ear, having just a mental
picture of the pass. If you can hear well the downlink, then you can get
in well, because your uplink has wider beam and much more power.

However, with AO-85 it's a bit hit and miss for me. I find it a bit
difficult and random to hit the transponder, and I think it would be
almost impossible for me to work it half-duplex. I will often retry and
tweak things if not hearing myself on the downlink properly. The
downlink of AO-85 is very strong, and it can be heard with the antenna
all over the place, even pointing into the ground sometimes. So you have
to know well where the satellite is before transmitting, and listen
yourself and tweak the antenna as you transmit.

Several people report, and my experiences agree with them, that the
receiver on AO-85 is a bit deaf for some unknown reason (this has
nothing to do with the 70cm band) and that it's 5kHz low in frequency
from the published specs. Thus, I will start a pass on 436.165 and work
up from that as the pass progresses, being at about 436.175 at midpass
and 436.185 at LOS.

Regarding working full-duplex, if you're going to get a single radio to
do full-duplex, check very carefully that it won't suffer from
desensing. This can be very critical, especially when working V/U. If
you already have a UV-5R, I would probably get a second of those, or
perhaps another handheld with better sensitivity to use as RX if you
want to invest a bit more money. Of course, you'll need a duplexer to
use the elk with two radios.

73 and looking forward to working you on the birds,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From tomdoyle1948 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:49:21 2015
From: tomdoyle1948 at gmail.com (Thomas Doyle)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:49:21 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAN5j0sq4RUVHmrj+N0MG4oVQZpKuXiAQpJeCm3_+A7J=mk60Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
	<CAEMY9Fe9XQ9krYCuH-WkjqO=Sij5kLVuFbRYi1o+1xt+_rAFGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPonRZ8tDBWd0kGFtikgq9G1=WCMyEWHxM_Y+4Sx2_TjYYW4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN5j0sq4RUVHmrj+N0MG4oVQZpKuXiAQpJeCm3_+A7J=mk60Bw@mail.gmail.com>
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It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network
that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and
should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no
one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to
fail.

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Bryce Salmi <bryce.salmi at gmail.com> wrote:

> The entire idea is that it's open source... so even if the standard code in
> the repository complies it will not stop anyone from changing it to be 1
> per second or 1 per decade... i.e you get my point.
>
> Bryce
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Bob <WB4SON at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > You may want to share your very valid concerns with the developer of the
> > project (Mike Bales, KI6VBK) who can be reached here:
> >
> > beta at tracksoar.com
> >
> > SInce he's part of the group that has developed the hardware and the
> code,
> > and since it's open source, it should be possible to have the path and
> > beacon rate set properly, as long as they know what to do.
> >
> > 73, Bob, WB4SON
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an
> abomination
> > > to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often
> > > than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.  If those
> > > limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the
> > > national APRS frequency.
> > >
> > > Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards
> > > because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and
> > > apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
> > > Bob, WB4APR
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Webb
> > > KB1PVH
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM
> > > To: Joe
> > > Cc: AMSAT -BB
> > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > Some of those questions are answered on this page.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
> > >
> > > Dave-KB1PVH
> > >
> > > Sent from my Samsung S4
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Nov  6 14:51:21 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:51:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite APRS Double hop
In-Reply-To: <563C5A05.702@calorific.co.nz>
References: <563C5A05.702@calorific.co.nz>
Message-ID: <713b686cb80e6b92eac7800c961d8abd@mail.gmail.com>

The path would be ariss,ariss

But PSAT has digipeating turned off to allow max power for the multi-user
PSK31 transponder that we think offers more value to the amsat community
though usage has been light...

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Sil
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite APRS Double hop

This afternoon both PSAT and the ISS were visible from my location at the
same time and likely close enough to each other that a "double hop" was
probably possible.

I am not sure what the best path to use would be to do this. Any
suggestions? It would be fun to make an QSO into Western Australia this
way.

Sil
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Nov  6 15:11:21 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:11:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] BRICSAT-1 recovery challenge
Message-ID: <31d8e9bfd8f12ca3e6566d8f6cccc7f7@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone has 9600 baud satellite capability and is looking for a challenge,
you could be successful in recovering BRICSAT (NO83).  BRICSAT simply has a
negative power budget.  When it wakes up, it should be possible to get in
the command to tell it to turn off unnecessary loads and then let it achieve
full recovery.  As is, it wakes up, sends a few feeble 20 second packets and
dies again.

Bricsat has another excellent PSK31 transpodner on it too.  You can detect
BRICSAT when it awakes by the 20 second packet on the downlink OR by the
occasional PSK31 beacon on 435.350 MHz (+/- Doppler).  Do not be confused by
PSAT which also has a PSK31 tranpsonder on the same frequency.  But they
have different audio tones for the beacon.

> Downlink: 437.975 MHz, 9600 baud
> Uplink: 145.825 MHz, 9600 baud
> Latest ?guess? at the TLE (not sure if this is BRICSat)
> 1 90722U          15294.38156592 +.00051032 +00000-0 +11686-2 0 0166
> 2 90722 054.9895 030.6075 0226665 199.3544 159.8861 15.1979213102332

The commands are simple keyboard dumb terminal commands.
If you think  you want to take on this challenge, contact us.

Bob Bruninga, WB4aPR
Jin Kang, KB3UKS
US Naval Academy

From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Nov  6 15:19:03 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:19:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <CAHnRQRKmWKjNBwW6Au8WSpMTxpeFx2QN1qCHa+MCcfbF+57v5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>	<CAEMY9Fe9XQ9krYCuH-WkjqO=Sij5kLVuFbRYi1o+1xt+_rAFGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>	<CAPonRZ8tDBWd0kGFtikgq9G1=WCMyEWHxM_Y+4Sx2_TjYYW4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN5j0sq4RUVHmrj+N0MG4oVQZpKuXiAQpJeCm3_+A7J=mk60Bw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <80ec1ea7bab8c1cc4bc7faf474347b51@mail.gmail.com>

> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system

Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and
proper procedures.  APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years.  The purpose of
this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the
recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and
not the same path they use for their car locally.   Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
Doyle
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter

It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any
network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big
problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to
make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network
is sure to fail.

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> >
>> The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an
abomination
>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more
>> often than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.
>> If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices
>> could trash the national APRS frequency.
>>
>> Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS
>> standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk
>> constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
>> Bob, WB4APR

From bryce.salmi at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 15:28:00 2015
From: bryce.salmi at gmail.com (Bryce Salmi)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:28:00 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <80ec1ea7bab8c1cc4bc7faf474347b51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
	<CAEMY9Fe9XQ9krYCuH-WkjqO=Sij5kLVuFbRYi1o+1xt+_rAFGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPonRZ8tDBWd0kGFtikgq9G1=WCMyEWHxM_Y+4Sx2_TjYYW4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN5j0sq4RUVHmrj+N0MG4oVQZpKuXiAQpJeCm3_+A7J=mk60Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHnRQRKmWKjNBwW6Au8WSpMTxpeFx2QN1qCHa+MCcfbF+57v5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<80ec1ea7bab8c1cc4bc7faf474347b51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN5j0spTcw=peOs5uoJ=6S9P-3E4_rqZuxWBRVDgb-hP7xVuEQ@mail.gmail.com>

As technology and access to technology also progresses so should the
network supporting it.


On Friday, November 6, 2015, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:

> > It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system
>
> Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and
> proper procedures.  APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years.  The purpose of
> this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the
> recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and
> not the same path they use for their car locally.   Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Thomas
> Doyle
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
>
> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any
> network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big
> problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to
> make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network
> is sure to fail.
>
> 73 W9KE Tom Doyle
>
> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> > >
> >> The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an
> abomination
> >> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more
> >> often than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.
> >> If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices
> >> could trash the national APRS frequency.
> >>
> >> Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS
> >> standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk
> >> constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
> >> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <javascript:;>. AMSAT-NA makes this open
> forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From nss at mwt.net  Fri Nov  6 15:36:10 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:36:10 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <80ec1ea7bab8c1cc4bc7faf474347b51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
	<CAKu8kHBJVRxLDUam9BrwcS1WODpr2KO71XySbHTuq6xfqMkApw@mail.gmail.com>
	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
	<CAEMY9Fe9XQ9krYCuH-WkjqO=Sij5kLVuFbRYi1o+1xt+_rAFGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPonRZ8tDBWd0kGFtikgq9G1=WCMyEWHxM_Y+4Sx2_TjYYW4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN5j0sq4RUVHmrj+N0MG4oVQZpKuXiAQpJeCm3_+A7J=mk60Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHnRQRKmWKjNBwW6Au8WSpMTxpeFx2QN1qCHa+MCcfbF+57v5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<80ec1ea7bab8c1cc4bc7faf474347b51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563CC8EA.4010500@mwt.net>

with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or 
something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what 
is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/6/2015 9:19 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system
> Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and
> proper procedures.  APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years.  The purpose of
> this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the
> recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and
> not the same path they use for their car locally.   Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Doyle
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
>
> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any
> network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big
> problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to
> make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network
> is sure to fail.
>
> 73 W9KE Tom Doyle
>
>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>>>
>>> The #1 question is what Path this device will use.  It is an
> abomination
>>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more
>>> often than once a minute,  *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop.
>>> If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices
>>> could trash the national APRS frequency.
>>>
>>> Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS
>>> standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk
>>> constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings..
>>> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
>


From py5lf at falautomation.com.br  Fri Nov  6 15:41:46 2015
From: py5lf at falautomation.com.br (PY5LF)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:41:46 -0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO85 Pass
Message-ID: <005301d118a9$a65282e0$f2f788a0$@falautomation.com.br>

Hi 

AO85 are very nice to work now ,much more stable.

 

https://youtu.be/I03TQpguEic

 

73

 

PY5LF

Luciano Fabricio

Curitiba-PR-BR GG54jm

http://www.qrz.com/db/PY5LF

 


From e20zfd at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 16:19:35 2015
From: e20zfd at gmail.com (Karn Suwanrat)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:19:35 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok, Thailand
Message-ID: <CAKhufXtn26TnCsMHeXBKfvnaA-1Hu4Fu_Y6F866xhKW7CRx=zw@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHiHmINIeE

I could receive a FM Phone Mode for only a few second toward the end
of the pass. So I don't know who was calling.


Fox-1A (AO-85) Mode FM (U/V Transponder)
Freq. 145.980 MHz
Date 2015 NOV 6
Time 1523-1538UTC
Max El 72


Rx By E20ZFD
Grid OK03gs

73'

Karn

E20ZFD/AA1AF

From skristof at etczone.com  Fri Nov  6 16:23:09 2015
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:23:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
In-Reply-To: <563CC8EA.4010500@mwt.net>
References: <D88C28F2A1BB461BB526165CB8DD10F4@StevePC>
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	<563B6688.9010108@mwt.net>
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	<195eaa0c47ba74bfa52c280ea7199c6a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<563CC8EA.4010500@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <174f353930ba5d91bf3f16e2d30369c3@etczone.com>

 

If I get one of these things, I would like to do it right and not screw
up the network. What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS
balloon? I assume it's posted somewhere, but a quick search of the
internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a newbie like me. 

If these things get popular maybe a set of standards could be posted on
the AMSAT and APRS websites. 

Steve AI9IN 

On 2015-11-06 10:36, Joe wrote: 

> with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?
> 
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com [1]
> On 11/6/2015 9:19 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail. 73 W9KE Tom Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device will
use. It is an
 abomination 

>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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From rwmcgwier at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 16:23:39 2015
From: rwmcgwier at gmail.com (Robert McGwier)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:23:39 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
In-Reply-To: <563AA762.6060101@amsat.org>
References: <BLU402-EASDF26CC86082303F4D40FE0DA22A0@phx.gbl>
	<1154B124-C4F3-42DD-B56A-776E0DBDAA66@yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOpeS2FC_R-FDcYPD1wh-SuqktoonZoMB0HnFAA8MNX8Jg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563A70D8.8090103@denstarfarm.us> <563AA762.6060101@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CA+K5gzcHh86k369hU5ReA5aW+NLSkVBZs-ocvqfT+gYn+bRL0Q@mail.gmail.com>

And you all are doing a fabulous job. The only thing I remind my peers of
is that people spend their own money and their valuable free time tapping
their toes gleefully anticipating success and participation.  I've been
amongst the , now reformed, guilty. I don't do the answers as I'm too busy,
but I support the need. We need more volunteers who want to support the
engineers in this but must be trusted to help and not hinder.

Having done this stuff for years, let me admonish users to remember that if
you have a critique or question something, please approach it as if the
engineer has already considered it and dealt with it and you'll find a
willing conversationalist. We're all proud of our work and, no, we don't
always get it right.  But you can generally assume we've tried really hard
to. Don't come into our house and toss the furniture about. You won't find
us willing hosts to have you at our table.

Respectfully and 73s,
Bob
N4HY



On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:

> A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has
> to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing
> of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and
> mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is
> divided.  The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before
> 1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and
> better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what
> needs tweaking.  Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet
> away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like
> with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be
> learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.
>
> Remember - it's a hobby.     :-)
>
> Thank you for your support.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
> > On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> > . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
> >> direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
> > I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
> >
> > As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors"
> > are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
> >
> > (B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java
> > crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM,
> > the data is uploaded.
> >
> > So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
> >
> >
>
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Nov  6 16:49:22 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:49:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path)
Message-ID: <efaeb7a6b27568da622dc4ed754191f9@mail.gmail.com>

ARGH!  You are right.  SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page
BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.

So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page:
http://aprs.org/balloons.html

-----Original Message-----
> What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon?
> a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
newbie like me.



On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
> Bruninga wrote:
>> The #1 question is what Path this device  will use. It is an
abomination
>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more
>> often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If
>> those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could
>> trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to
>> not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless
>> to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the
>> proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR

From skristof at etczone.com  Fri Nov  6 17:50:19 2015
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:50:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path)
In-Reply-To: <efaeb7a6b27568da622dc4ed754191f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <efaeb7a6b27568da622dc4ed754191f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2f63ab89d751a1e726b41a1afbd965@etczone.com>

 

Perfect! Thank you very much. 

Steve AI9IN 

On 2015-11-06 11:49, Robert Bruninga wrote: 

> ARGH! You are right. SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page
> BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.
> 
> So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page:
> http://aprs.org/balloons.html [1]
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
>> What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
> 
> newbie like me.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
> Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an

abomination

>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR

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From kb1hy2 at comcast.net  Fri Nov  6 18:33:52 2015
From: kb1hy2 at comcast.net (Peter Budnik)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:33:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER
Message-ID: <DB4F1112E07D492E8702D56AF22573B6@PeterPC>

For Sale the M2 LEO SATELLITE Pack - Includes the 2MCP8A 2 Meter antenna and the 436CP16 70cm antenna and mounting boom. These antennas are like new and have been only up a few months. The antennas are together but can be taken apart for shipping. Have original shipping carton,manuals and lots of spare hardware and element clips. Can all so be picked up locally or can meet 50 miles or so miles to deliver.I do have pictures of them up if needed.Great antennas made many contacts on SO50 and FO29. Price is $400.00  shipped or meet for delivery. 73 Peter,KB1HY 860-713-8820

From GW1FKY at aol.com  Fri Nov  6 19:32:04 2015
From: GW1FKY at aol.com (GW1FKY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:32:04 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO85 vs SO-50
Message-ID: <1ebc72.2147b3d.436e5a34@aol.com>

Reference the comments on operating AO-85 by Dani ( M0HXM /EA4GPZ ) and the 
 frequencies that he states that he uses
Dani - Typing error I am sure .-   You make reference to 436  Mhz but it 
should be 435 Mhz on the uplink.
Regards and good luck.
Ken Eaton
GW1FKY
Amsat -UK
Amsat NA
 

From jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  6 20:51:58 2015
From: jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net (James Brown)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:51:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
References: <1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ

From mvivona at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 21:17:32 2015
From: mvivona at yahoo.com (mvivona at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:17:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
In-Reply-To: <1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <398922840.847250.1446844653178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

James,
There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow... 
Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf?Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun. 
?Michael KC4AVA

      From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
 To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
   
 I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Fri Nov  6 21:50:52 2015
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:50:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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References: <398922840.847250.1446844653178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1738206563.1061136.1446846652528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Try this link (without the AMSAT-BB syntax error):
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf


GL/73, ? ? Bob ?K8BL

      From: mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
   
James,
There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow... 
Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf?Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun. 
?Michael KC4AVA

? ? ? From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
 To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
? 
 I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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From WA6FWF at comcast.net  Fri Nov  6 22:05:24 2015
From: WA6FWF at comcast.net (Kevin Schuchmann)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:05:24 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
In-Reply-To: <398922840.847250.1446844653178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<398922840.847250.1446844653178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <563D2423.6030805@comcast.net>

You Know Michael  for a guy that was complaining about not being able to 
receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got 
from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When  you were having 
troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some 
work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.

It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and 
let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a 
troll like you in the future.

Kevin WA6FWF


On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> James,
> There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
>   Michael KC4AVA
>
>   


From jimlist at zoho.com  Fri Nov  6 22:09:35 2015
From: jimlist at zoho.com (Jim Heck G3WGM)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:09:35 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao-73/FUNcube mode change
In-Reply-To: <160781.62abfb43.436008a2@aol.com>
References: <160781.62abfb43.436008a2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C17BF3F10F614669BB7DB137A5CD0270@jimPC2>

Hi Fold,

  I have just changed AO-73/FUNcube to full time transponder ON mode. As 
usual, plan it to revert to auto eclipse mode on Sun pm UTC.

Enjoy

73s Jim G3WGM 



From mvivona at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 22:31:24 2015
From: mvivona at yahoo.com (mvivona at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
In-Reply-To: <563D2423.6030805@comcast.net>
References: <563D2423.6030805@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2093595403.869396.1446849084608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


You are so right Kevin, now I feel terrible.
?Michael 

      From: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
   
You Know Michael? for a guy that was complaining about not being able to 
receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got 
from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When? you were having 
troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some 
work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.

It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and 
let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a 
troll like you in the future.

Kevin WA6FWF




On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> James,
> There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
>? Michael KC4AVA
>
>? 

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From WA6FWF at comcast.net  Fri Nov  6 23:02:24 2015
From: WA6FWF at comcast.net (Kevin Schuchmann)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:02:24 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
In-Reply-To: <2093595403.869396.1446849084608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <563D2423.6030805@comcast.net>
	<2093595403.869396.1446849084608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <563D3180.2090402@comcast.net>

Dude you really are a troll, you sent the message below to the BB faking 
that you have second thoughts about what you said and then turn around 
and send a totally different private message to me slamming people again 
and then  you disagree with what I said and chastise  me to not blast 
things over the BB in the future.

I for one am done with you.

Kevin WA6FWF



On 11/6/2015 2:31 PM, mvivona at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> You are so right Kevin, now I feel terrible.
> Michael
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
> *To:* amsat-bb at amsat.org
> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 5:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
>
> You Know Michael  for a guy that was complaining about not being able to
> receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got
> from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When you were having
> troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some
> work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.
>
> It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and
> let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a
> troll like you in the future.
>
> Kevin WA6FWF
>
>
>
>
> On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > James,
> > There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, 
> it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> > All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers 
> from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> > Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> > 
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf 
> Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
> >  Michael KC4AVA
> >
> >
>
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From mvivona at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 23:09:33 2015
From: mvivona at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:09:33 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
In-Reply-To: <563D3180.2090402@comcast.net>
References: <563D2423.6030805@comcast.net>
	<2093595403.869396.1446849084608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<563D3180.2090402@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2D2D8806-AB3E-4DD5-B472-062C470AA2CE@yahoo.com>

Kevin,

This forum is not a place to vent. Please show restraint with your comments. Thank you. 

Michael 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Dude you really are a troll, you sent the message below to the BB faking that you have second thoughts about what you said and then turn around and send a totally different private message to me slamming people again and then  you disagree with what I said and chastise  me to not blast things over the BB in the future.
> 
> I for one am done with you.
> 
> Kevin WA6FWF
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/6/2015 2:31 PM, mvivona at yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>> You are so right Kevin, now I feel terrible.
>> Michael
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
>> *To:* amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 5:05 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
>> 
>> You Know Michael  for a guy that was complaining about not being able to
>> receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got
>> from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When you were having
>> troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some
>> work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.
>> 
>> It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and
>> let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a
>> troll like you in the future.
>> 
>> Kevin WA6FWF
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > James,
>> > There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
>> > All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
>> > Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
>> > http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
>> >  Michael KC4AVA
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From lu3emb at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  6 23:09:50 2015
From: lu3emb at hotmail.com (Miguel Angel Baldonado)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:09:50 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 10, Issue 338
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Hello! I agree with Luciano, PY5LF......AO-85 is much more friendly with us! Greetings from GF05
MikeLU3EMB

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Today's Topics:

   1. AO85 Pass (PY5LF)
   2. AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok, Thailand
      (Karn Suwanrat)
   3. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (skristof at etczone.com)
   4. Re: FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
      (Robert McGwier)
   5. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path)
      (Robert Bruninga)
   6. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path)
      (skristof at etczone.com)
   7. M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER (Peter Budnik)
   8. Re: AO85 vs SO-50 (GW1FKY at aol.com)
   9. AO 85 operations (James Brown)
  10. Re: AO 85 operations (mvivona at yahoo.com)
  11. Re: AO 85 operations (R.T.Liddy)
  12. Re: AO 85 operations (Kevin Schuchmann)
  13. Ao-73/FUNcube mode change (Jim Heck G3WGM)
  14. Re: AO 85 operations (mvivona at yahoo.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:41:46 -0200
From: "PY5LF" <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>,       <starcom-bb at star-com.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO85 Pass
Message-ID: <005301d118a9$a65282e0$f2f788a0$@falautomation.com.br>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Hi

AO85 are very nice to work now ,much more stable.



https://youtu.be/I03TQpguEic



73



PY5LF

Luciano Fabricio

Curitiba-PR-BR GG54jm

http://www.qrz.com/db/PY5LF





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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:19:35 +0700
From: Karn Suwanrat <e20zfd at gmail.com>
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok,
        Thailand
Message-ID:
        <CAKhufXtn26TnCsMHeXBKfvnaA-1Hu4Fu_Y6F866xhKW7CRx=zw at mail.gmail.com>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHiHmINIeE

I could receive a FM Phone Mode for only a few second toward the end
of the pass. So I don't know who was calling.


Fox-1A (AO-85) Mode FM (U/V Transponder)
Freq. 145.980 MHz
Date 2015 NOV 6
Time 1523-1538UTC
Max El 72


Rx By E20ZFD
Grid OK03gs

73'

Karn

E20ZFD/AA1AF


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:23:09 -0500
From: skristof at etczone.com
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Message-ID: <174f353930ba5d91bf3f16e2d30369c3 at etczone.com>
Content-Type: text/plain



If I get one of these things, I would like to do it right and not screw
up the network. What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS
balloon? I assume it's posted somewhere, but a quick search of the
internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a newbie like me.

If these things get popular maybe a set of standards could be posted on
the AMSAT and APRS websites.

Steve AI9IN

On 2015-11-06 10:36, Joe wrote:

> with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com [1]
> On 11/6/2015 9:19 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail. 73 W9KE Tom Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device
  will
use. It is an
 abomination

>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:23:39 -0600
From: Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier at gmail.com>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org>
Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day
        now
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And you all are doing a fabulous job. The only thing I remind my peers of
is that people spend their own money and their valuable free time tapping
their toes gleefully anticipating success and participation.  I've been
amongst the , now reformed, guilty. I don't do the answers as I'm too busy,
but I support the need. We need more volunteers who want to support the
engineers in this but must be trusted to help and not hinder.

Having done this stuff for years, let me admonish users to remember that if
you have a critique or question something, please approach it as if the
engineer has already considered it and dealt with it and you'll find a
willing conversationalist. We're all proud of our work and, no, we don't
always get it right.  But you can generally assume we've tried really hard
to. Don't come into our house and toss the furniture about. You won't find
us willing hosts to have you at our table.

Respectfully and 73s,
Bob
N4HY



On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:

> A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has
> to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing
> of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and
> mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is
> divided.  The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before
> 1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and
> better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what
> needs tweaking.  Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet
> away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like
> with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be
> learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.
>
> Remember - it's a hobby.     :-)
>
> Thank you for your support.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
> > On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> > . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
> >> direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
> > I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
> >
> > As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors"
> > are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
> >
> > (B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java
> > crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM,
> > the data is uploaded.
> >
> > So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:49:22 -0500
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper
        Path)
Message-ID: <efaeb7a6b27568da622dc4ed754191f9 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

ARGH!  You are right.  SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page
BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.

So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page:
http://aprs.org/balloons.html

-----Original Message-----
> What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon?
> a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
newbie like me.



On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
> Bruninga wrote:
>> The #1 question is what Path this device  will use. It is an
abomination
>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more
>> often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If
>> those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could
>> trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to
>> not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless
>> to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the
>> proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:50:19 -0500
From: skristof at etczone.com
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper
        Path)
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Content-Type: text/plain



Perfect! Thank you very much.

Steve AI9IN

On 2015-11-06 11:49, Robert Bruninga wrote:

> ARGH! You are right. SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page
> BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.
>
> So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page:
> http://aprs.org/balloons.html [1]
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
>
> newbie like me.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
> Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an

abomination

>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:33:52 -0500
From: "Peter Budnik" <kb1hy2 at comcast.net>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER
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For Sale the M2 LEO SATELLITE Pack - Includes the 2MCP8A 2 Meter antenna and the 436CP16 70cm antenna and mounting boom. These antennas are like new and have been only up a few months. The antennas are together but can be taken apart for shipping. Have original shipping carton,manuals and lots of spare hardware and element clips. Can all so be picked up locally or can meet 50 miles or so miles to deliver.I do have pictures of them up if needed.Great antennas made many contacts on SO50 and FO29. Price is $400.00  shipped or meet for delivery. 73 Peter,KB1HY 860-713-8820


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:32:04 -0500
From: GW1FKY at aol.com
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO85 vs SO-50
Message-ID: <1ebc72.2147b3d.436e5a34 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Reference the comments on operating AO-85 by Dani ( M0HXM /EA4GPZ ) and the
 frequencies that he states that he uses
Dani - Typing error I am sure .-   You make reference to 436  Mhz but it
should be 435 Mhz on the uplink.
Regards and good luck.
Ken Eaton
GW1FKY
Amsat -UK
Amsat NA


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:51:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
Message-ID:
        <1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:17:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mvivona at yahoo.com" <mvivona at yahoo.com>
To: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>, AMSAT BB
        <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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James,
There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf?Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
?Michael KC4AVA

      From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
 To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations

 I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:50:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>
To: "mvivona at yahoo.com" <mvivona at yahoo.com>,    James Brown
        <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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Try this link (without the AMSAT-BB syntax error):
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf


GL/73, ? ? Bob ?K8BL

      From: mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations

James,
There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf?Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
?Michael KC4AVA

? ? ? From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
 To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
?
 I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:05:24 -0800
From: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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You Know Michael  for a guy that was complaining about not being able to
receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got
from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When  you were having
troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some
work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.

It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and
let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a
troll like you in the future.

Kevin WA6FWF


On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> James,
> There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
>   Michael KC4AVA
>
>



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:09:35 -0000
From: "Jim Heck G3WGM" <jimlist at zoho.com>
To: <amsat-bb at AMSAT.Org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao-73/FUNcube mode change
Message-ID: <C17BF3F10F614669BB7DB137A5CD0270 at jimPC2>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

Hi Fold,

  I have just changed AO-73/FUNcube to full time transponder ON mode. As
usual, plan it to revert to auto eclipse mode on Sun pm UTC.

Enjoy

73s Jim G3WGM




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mvivona at yahoo.com" <mvivona at yahoo.com>
To: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>,      "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
        <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8


You are so right Kevin, now I feel terrible.
?Michael

      From: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations

You Know Michael? for a guy that was complaining about not being able to
receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got
from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When? you were having
troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some
work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.

It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and
let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a
troll like you in the future.

Kevin WA6FWF




On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> James,
> There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
>? Michael KC4AVA
>
>?

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From ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp  Fri Nov  6 23:19:39 2015
From: ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp (Mineo Wakita)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 08:19:39 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016
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For the purpose of the demonstration and development of CubeSats of the technology of
the universities around the world, it is scheduled to be launched all 50 satellites
by Ukraine Tsiklon-4 rocket on February 1, 2016. There are still also uncertainties,
but I, JE9PEL investigated the current frequencies and summarized it in an Excel file.
I'm going to issue in the future this revised version.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.png
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.xls
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/calendar/#1602

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita



From bruninga at usna.edu  Sat Nov  7 03:58:01 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:58:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSK31 on PSAT-1 (was elbow room)
Message-ID: <a2e485cfe735936ecc50d6d52ffb773e@mail.gmail.com>

> How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF?



Because the 6000 Hz and 18,000 Hz of Doppler change on VHF and UHF simply
cannot be done with PSK31 that requires tuning accuracy of +/- 1 Hz.  By
using ten meter uplink and FM downlink we eliminate the downlink Doppler
and reduce the nominal Uplink Doppler on ten meters to an average around 1
Hz/sec for the lower portions of most passes.  Bob, WB4aPR



> Not many of us have a 10m dipole? as part of our satellite setup



A simple portable fishing pole with an 8? piece of wire on and another 8
foot counterpoise laying on the ground would make a great ten meter
vertical for PSAT-1 PSK31 uplink.  (Sorry though, that it takes more than 5
watts due to cramming an HF antenna on a 6? cubesat).



Bob, WB4APR



*Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)



> I like to see the 10m uplink "arrow" approach :-)



> While PSAT-1 is a nice "proof of concept for PSK-31"

>  in reality it does nothing for the portable operator and

> that is what the original post is all about. ?.



> Using PSK31 is a great idea, the 10m uplink is the real issue

> for the non-use of PSAT-1. Should I say "fatal flaw"?

> Not many of us have a 10m dipole ready as part of our satellite setup

> (stationary or mobile for that matter).



> It is time that we move on and promote digital modes on

> frequencies that are actually used within the allocated satellite

> bands and even better on higher bands where we have allocations

>  and we don't use them.

> How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF?

> ... and leave 10m on the ground where it belongs LOL :-)



------------------------------

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:


Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user
wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on
435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full
duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.

Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the
pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..

To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.  One
receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even
better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for
Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.

http://aprs.org/psat.html

Text with everyone all at once.

Bob, WB4aPR
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 05:27:35 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:27:35 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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,

From g0mrf at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 10:07:34 2015
From: g0mrf at aol.com (David G0MRF)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 05:07:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSK31 on PSAT-1 (was elbow room)
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However,
 
It would be a great project if we get a 6m allocation from the current WARC meeting.
Even if it's only an uplink band (to prevent interference from space to ground) 6m would be usable for PSK. Certainly 2m is now on the point of saturation and all those Uni CubeSats will need somewhere to go.

73

David


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 3:58
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSK31 on PSAT-1 (was elbow room)


> How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF?



Because the 6000 Hz and 18,000
Hz of Doppler change on VHF and UHF simply
cannot be done with PSK31 that
requires tuning accuracy of +/- 1 Hz.  By
using ten meter uplink and FM downlink
we eliminate the downlink Doppler
and reduce the nominal Uplink Doppler on ten
meters to an average around 1
Hz/sec for the lower portions of most passes. 
Bob, WB4aPR



> Not many of us have a 10m dipole? as part of our satellite
setup



A simple portable fishing pole with an 8? piece of wire on and another
8
foot counterpoise laying on the ground would make a great ten meter
vertical
for PSAT-1 PSK31 uplink.  (Sorry though, that it takes more than 5
watts due to
cramming an HF antenna on a 6? cubesat).



Bob, WB4APR



*Sent:* Tuesday,
November 03, 2015 10:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow
room)



> I like to see the 10m uplink "arrow" approach :-)



> While PSAT-1
is a nice "proof of concept for PSK-31"

>  in reality it does nothing for the
portable operator and

> that is what the original post is all about. ?.



>
Using PSK31 is a great idea, the 10m uplink is the real issue

> for the non-use
of PSAT-1. Should I say "fatal flaw"?

> Not many of us have a 10m dipole ready
as part of our satellite setup

> (stationary or mobile for that matter).



>
It is time that we move on and promote digital modes on

> frequencies that are
actually used within the allocated satellite

> bands and even better on higher
bands where we have allocations

>  and we don't use them.

> How about a PSK-31
Cubesat within VHF/UHF?

> ... and leave 10m on the ground where it belongs LOL
:-)



------------------------------

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Robert
Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:


Take a break from the congestion.... come
to the wide open multi-user
wideband transponder on PSAT-1.  Downlink is good on
a handheld arrow on
435.350 MHz FM.  It should be able to support dozens of
simultaneous full
duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.

Just pick an empty spot
and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the
pass on your 10 meter PSK31
uplink 28.121 MHz..

To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite
PSK31 software.  One
receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the
SSB uplink. Even
better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that
pre-adjusts for
Doppler so everyone can decode you with no
adjustments.

http://aprs.org/psat.html

Text with everyone all at once.

Bob,
WB4aPR
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From kg4byn at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 04:11:03 2015
From: kg4byn at comcast.net (KG4BYN - Ben Harold)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:11:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
Message-ID: <563D79D7.2010009@comcast.net>

ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've 
determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never 
worked the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, 
right?  our local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not 
from around here) provide a very brief demonstration one saturday 
morning in a walmart parking lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was 
a LONG time ago.  most of my hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.  
i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've 
got my vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR 
PROBLEM is _/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds 
with transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE 
a cw beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded 
through tons of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL 
having a difficult time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a 
dinosaur (OLD) and and recovering from extremely severe colon cancer 
surgery, BUT i'm looking to broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a 
DECENT free tracking program with updating pass predictions would be 
helpful, too.  i have a refurb pc notebook in the shack for this 
project.  yes, i've heard of google, and yes, i've read darned near 
everything i can find...but the more i read, the more confused this old 
guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email so as not to 
clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but also, 
sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect 
problem reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid 
questions.  i originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta 
start someplace.
73!






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From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sat Nov  7 12:37:03 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 07:37:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32: How to change a K3 to DATA mode for PSAT-1 ?
Message-ID: <563DF06F.1070205@denstarfarm.us>

I have been trying to lash-up everything for ops on 28.120 (USB) PSK31
Uplink and 435.350 (FM) Downlink for PSAT-1 .

Well, in order for my K# to be keyed by the soundcard SIGNALINK-USB, the
K3 must be in DATA mode ("MD6;" is the K3's command I believe).

I have moderate success telling SatPC32 that the 2nd radio is a Kenwood,
other .

So when SatPC32 reads the Doppler.sqf file, it will change my K3 to CW
or to FM or USB. None of which, if used, will allow MixW or DopplerPSK
to do anything more than "switch" on the SignaLink and also cause the K3
so "switch" to the xmit (red lite on) position. Yet there is, as
expected, no RF output that way, in USB.

So using two different SignaLink's I have the IC910H going to the 435 rx
freq and listening. I have the K3 on another SignaLink, going to 28.120
and switching to xmit when asked.

Just that I need to K3 to automatically go into DATA mode when being
used for PSAT-1, or any other PSK type bird.

When I manually switch the K3, then either MixW or DopplerPSK do, in
fact, switch the K3 to xmit as-well-as output RF .

This is not a very good solution as sometimes SatPC32 re-reads
Doppler.sqf and thus puts K3 back to USB.

Anyone have a solution?




tnx !

-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sat Nov  7 13:01:14 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 08:01:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
In-Reply-To: <563D79D7.2010009@comcast.net>
References: <563D79D7.2010009@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0ec201d1195c$63157010$29405030$@com>

It's not perfect and needs some additions and updates, but here is a
resource: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177

You may also consider the Getting Started book from AMSAT, which can be had
as a free download with AMSAT membership, or purchased in hard copy from the
store at
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=125

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KG4BYN - Ben
Harold
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:11 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world

ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've
determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never worked
the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, right?  our
local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not from around here)
provide a very brief demonstration one saturday morning in a walmart parking
lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was a LONG time ago.  most of my
hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.  
i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've got my
vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR PROBLEM is
_/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds with
transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE a cw
beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded through tons
of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL having a difficult
time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a dinosaur (OLD) and and
recovering from extremely severe colon cancer surgery, BUT i'm looking to
broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a DECENT free tracking program
with updating pass predictions would be helpful, too.  i have a refurb pc
notebook in the shack for this project.  yes, i've heard of google, and yes,
i've read darned near everything i can find...but the more i read, the more
confused this old guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email so as
not to clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but also,
sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect problem
reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid questions.  i
originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta start someplace.
73!






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From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sat Nov  7 13:32:29 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 08:32:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSK31 on PSAT-1 (was elbow room)
In-Reply-To: <150e16a5926-1fa1-1de2@webprd-a103.mail.aol.com>
References: <a2e485cfe735936ecc50d6d52ffb773e@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07-Nov-15 0507, David G0MRF via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> It would be a great project if we get a 6m allocation from the
> current WARC meeting. Even if it's only an uplink band (to prevent
> interference from space to ground)\

Hi Dave: when we have strong E-Skip, during the season, would there be a
mirror up there reflecting Sat-Downlink to my antenna which lies  below
the E-Skip region?



-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From burns at fisher.cc  Sat Nov  7 14:14:23 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:14:23 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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	<0ec201d1195c$63157010$29405030$@com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxUyw8EwPQ-WOheaOo4sF_NZ52TT8YuhSTTfDNG94pVOfw@mail.gmail.com>

As to pass prediction programs, SatPC32 is not free, but like the book
Drew mentioned it comes as a premium with a certain level of AMSAT
membership.  It is one of the "gold standard" programs that includes
automated tuning of your rig (if it has computer control) to
compensate for doppler and steering of rotators.

But another truly free resource is at
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/index.php, an on-line
pass prediction tool.

Good luck and 73,

Burns W2BFJ

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
> It's not perfect and needs some additions and updates, but here is a
> resource: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177
>
> You may also consider the Getting Started book from AMSAT, which can be had
> as a free download with AMSAT membership, or purchased in hard copy from the
> store at
> http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=125
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KG4BYN - Ben
> Harold
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:11 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
>
> ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've
> determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never worked
> the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, right?  our
> local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not from around here)
> provide a very brief demonstration one saturday morning in a walmart parking
> lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was a LONG time ago.  most of my
> hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.
> i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've got my
> vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR PROBLEM is
> _/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds with
> transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE a cw
> beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded through tons
> of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL having a difficult
> time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a dinosaur (OLD) and and
> recovering from extremely severe colon cancer surgery, BUT i'm looking to
> broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a DECENT free tracking program
> with updating pass predictions would be helpful, too.  i have a refurb pc
> notebook in the shack for this project.  yes, i've heard of google, and yes,
> i've read darned near everything i can find...but the more i read, the more
> confused this old guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email so as
> not to clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but also,
> sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect problem
> reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid questions.  i
> originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta start someplace.
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From daniel at destevez.net  Sat Nov  7 14:42:01 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:42:01 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO85 vs SO-50
In-Reply-To: <1ebc72.2147b3d.436e5a34@aol.com>
References: <1ebc72.2147b3d.436e5a34@aol.com>
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El 06/11/15 a las 19:32, GW1FKY--- via AMSAT-BB escribi?:
> Reference the comments on operating AO-85 by Dani ( M0HXM /EA4GPZ ) and the 
>  frequencies that he states that he uses
> Dani - Typing error I am sure .-   You make reference to 436  Mhz but it 
> should be 435 Mhz on the uplink.
> Regards and good luck.

Sure enough. Either typo or slight brain error on my part (as typing
those from memory). Thanks for spotting it.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.


From g0mrf at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 14:50:14 2015
From: g0mrf at aol.com (David G0MRF)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:50:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSK31 on PSAT-1 (was elbow room)
In-Reply-To: <563DFD6D.6070806@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <150e26d2239-44c5-32f7@webprd-m52.mail.aol.com>


Hi

Very true Bob  and certainly not ideal.  

Possibly less of a problem than 29MHz?
 
I'm just trying to imagine where the next piece of satellite 'real estate' can be found. Most amateur bands are shared and not ideal for satellite comms.
Even the ISS has to operate out of band at 2395 to find a clear channel for it's Ham Video transmissions.

I suppose the harsh reality is that the CubeSat revolution has seriously outpaced those who are allocating spectrum.   

73

David
 
 
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From: Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:32
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] PSK31 on PSAT-1 (was elbow room)


On 07-Nov-15 0507, David G0MRF via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> It would be a great
project if we get a 6m allocation from the
> current WARC meeting. Even if it's
only an uplink band (to prevent
> interference from space to ground)\

Hi
Dave: when we have strong E-Skip, during the season, would there be a
mirror up
there reflecting Sat-Downlink to my antenna which lies  below
the E-Skip
region?



-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat
LM#901
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Sat Nov  7 15:01:32 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:01:32 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32: How to change a K3 to DATA mode for PSAT-1 ?
In-Reply-To: <563DF06F.1070205@denstarfarm.us>
References: <563DF06F.1070205@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <CALdCfNJcdqgu=LvHH+91c-VPLP0iEjfPhe_YQC0q1pzOKNWQrQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is no need for doppler rig control for PSK31 on PSAT.  In fact, it
wont work because doppler correction has to be phase coherent and you
cannot do that by rig control.

Better to just run constant frequency around 28.121 MHz.

But the best way is to run Andy's uplink-only program written for PSAT so
that it pre-compensates for doppler at the audio level and also lets you
run full duplex from your regular PSK31 program.

http://aprs.org/psat.html

Bob

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:

> I have been trying to lash-up everything for ops on 28.120 (USB) PSK31
> Uplink and 435.350 (FM) Downlink for PSAT-1 .
>
> Well, in order for my K# to be keyed by the soundcard SIGNALINK-USB, the
> K3 must be in DATA mode ("MD6;" is the K3's command I believe).
>
> I have moderate success telling SatPC32 that the 2nd radio is a Kenwood,
> other .
>
> So when SatPC32 reads the Doppler.sqf file, it will change my K3 to CW
> or to FM or USB. None of which, if used, will allow MixW or DopplerPSK
> to do anything more than "switch" on the SignaLink and also cause the K3
> so "switch" to the xmit (red lite on) position. Yet there is, as
> expected, no RF output that way, in USB.
>
> So using two different SignaLink's I have the IC910H going to the 435 rx
> freq and listening. I have the K3 on another SignaLink, going to 28.120
> and switching to xmit when asked.
>
> Just that I need to K3 to automatically go into DATA mode when being
> used for PSAT-1, or any other PSK type bird.
>
> When I manually switch the K3, then either MixW or DopplerPSK do, in
> fact, switch the K3 to xmit as-well-as output RF .
>
> This is not a very good solution as sometimes SatPC32 re-reads
> Doppler.sqf and thus puts K3 back to USB.
>
> Anyone have a solution?
>
>
>
>
> tnx !
>
> --
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
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From marklhammond at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 15:03:52 2015
From: marklhammond at gmail.com (Mark L. Hammond)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:03:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32: How to change a K3 to DATA mode for PSAT-1 ?
Message-ID: <CAPRXzyoVHPtYhCZb4ELo-6N1aFcjPEbP-dFVwcrKbrHPfe21cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob,


I know every little about the K3 (so why comment, right?  heh).  Are you
using a data jack on the rig?   Over the years, I've had to resort to using
a microphone jack to work around similar issues like you describe.   Any
chance you can lash up a cable to the microphone jack, and just use USB
mode that SatPC32 sets?

If not, just ignore ;)

73,

Mark N8MH

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I have been trying to lash-up everything for ops on 28.120 (USB) PSK31
Uplink and 435.350 (FM) Downlink for PSAT-1 .

Well, in order for my K# to be keyed by the soundcard SIGNALINK-USB, the
K3 must be in DATA mode ("MD6;" is the K3's command I believe).

I have moderate success telling SatPC32 that the 2nd radio is a Kenwood,
other .

So when SatPC32 reads the Doppler.sqf file, it will change my K3 to CW
or to FM or USB. None of which, if used, will allow MixW or DopplerPSK
to do anything more than "switch" on the SignaLink and also cause the K3
so "switch" to the xmit (red lite on) position. Yet there is, as
expected, no RF output that way, in USB.

So using two different SignaLink's I have the IC910H going to the 435 rx
freq and listening. I have the K3 on another SignaLink, going to 28.120
and switching to xmit when asked.

Just that I need to K3 to automatically go into DATA mode when being
used for PSAT-1, or any other PSK type bird.

When I manually switch the K3, then either MixW or DopplerPSK do, in
fact, switch the K3 to xmit as-well-as output RF .

This is not a very good solution as sometimes SatPC32 re-reads
Doppler.sqf and thus puts K3 back to USB.

Anyone have a solution?




tnx !

-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZwww.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

------------------------------


-- 
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 16:51:12 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:51:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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Satpc32 seems to require more up front configuration and learning. I gave
up and used Orbitron which seems more simple and is also free. I recommend
it.
On Nov 7, 2015 9:14 AM, "Burns Fisher" <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:

> As to pass prediction programs, SatPC32 is not free, but like the book
> Drew mentioned it comes as a premium with a certain level of AMSAT
> membership.  It is one of the "gold standard" programs that includes
> automated tuning of your rig (if it has computer control) to
> compensate for doppler and steering of rotators.
>
> But another truly free resource is at
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/index.php, an on-line
> pass prediction tool.
>
> Good luck and 73,
>
> Burns W2BFJ
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner
> <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > It's not perfect and needs some additions and updates, but here is a
> > resource: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177
> >
> > You may also consider the Getting Started book from AMSAT, which can be
> had
> > as a free download with AMSAT membership, or purchased in hard copy from
> the
> > store at
> > http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=125
> >
> > 73, Drew KO4MA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KG4BYN
> - Ben
> > Harold
> > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:11 PM
> > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
> >
> > ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've
> > determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never worked
> > the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, right?
> our
> > local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not from around
> here)
> > provide a very brief demonstration one saturday morning in a walmart
> parking
> > lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was a LONG time ago.  most of my
> > hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.
> > i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've
> got my
> > vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR PROBLEM is
> > _/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds with
> > transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE a cw
> > beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded through
> tons
> > of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL having a difficult
> > time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a dinosaur (OLD) and and
> > recovering from extremely severe colon cancer surgery, BUT i'm looking to
> > broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a DECENT free tracking program
> > with updating pass predictions would be helpful, too.  i have a refurb pc
> > notebook in the shack for this project.  yes, i've heard of google, and
> yes,
> > i've read darned near everything i can find...but the more i read, the
> more
> > confused this old guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email
> so as
> > not to clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but
> also,
> > sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect
> problem
> > reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid questions.
> i
> > originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta start
> someplace.
> > 73!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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From burns at fisher.cc  Sat Nov  7 17:20:29 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:20:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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Sure, there are lots of choices.  Thanks for pointing out Orbitron.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:51 AM, John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Satpc32 seems to require more up front configuration and learning. I gave up
> and used Orbitron which seems more simple and is also free. I recommend it.
>
> On Nov 7, 2015 9:14 AM, "Burns Fisher" <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:
>>
>> As to pass prediction programs, SatPC32 is not free, but like the book
>> Drew mentioned it comes as a premium with a certain level of AMSAT
>> membership.  It is one of the "gold standard" programs that includes
>> automated tuning of your rig (if it has computer control) to
>> compensate for doppler and steering of rotators.
>>
>> But another truly free resource is at
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/index.php, an on-line
>> pass prediction tool.
>>
>> Good luck and 73,
>>
>> Burns W2BFJ
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner
>> <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > It's not perfect and needs some additions and updates, but here is a
>> > resource: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177
>> >
>> > You may also consider the Getting Started book from AMSAT, which can be
>> > had
>> > as a free download with AMSAT membership, or purchased in hard copy from
>> > the
>> > store at
>> > http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=125
>> >
>> > 73, Drew KO4MA
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KG4BYN -
>> > Ben
>> > Harold
>> > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:11 PM
>> > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> > Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
>> >
>> > ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've
>> > determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never
>> > worked
>> > the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, right?
>> > our
>> > local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not from around
>> > here)
>> > provide a very brief demonstration one saturday morning in a walmart
>> > parking
>> > lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was a LONG time ago.  most of my
>> > hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.
>> > i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've
>> > got my
>> > vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR PROBLEM is
>> > _/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds with
>> > transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE a cw
>> > beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded through
>> > tons
>> > of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL having a
>> > difficult
>> > time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a dinosaur (OLD) and and
>> > recovering from extremely severe colon cancer surgery, BUT i'm looking
>> > to
>> > broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a DECENT free tracking
>> > program
>> > with updating pass predictions would be helpful, too.  i have a refurb
>> > pc
>> > notebook in the shack for this project.  yes, i've heard of google, and
>> > yes,
>> > i've read darned near everything i can find...but the more i read, the
>> > more
>> > confused this old guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email
>> > so as
>> > not to clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but
>> > also,
>> > sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect
>> > problem
>> > reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid questions.
>> > i
>> > originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta start
>> > someplace.
>> > 73!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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>> > all
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From w0jab at big-river.net  Sat Nov  7 17:08:37 2015
From: w0jab at big-river.net (John Becker)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:08:37 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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I did not find the same.
You better stick with things that only have one moving part.

On 11/7/2015 10:51 AM, John Brier wrote:
> Satpc32 seems to require more up front configuration and learning. I gave
> up and used Orbitron which seems more simple and is also free. I recommend
> it.
>


From zleffke at vt.edu  Sat Nov  7 17:31:08 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:31:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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For frequency references I like the link below.  It includes FM 
transponders, Linear Birds, University 'beepsats' (so that you can pick 
up the CW beacons) and so on:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm

Another new but good reference is here, a crowd sourced effort to 
document all the birds in the Amateur Spectrum in one spot:
https://db.satnogs.org/

Its not free ($5.00) but I like having the laminated Frequency Guide 
from AMSAT handy.  It lists all the active voice birds (SSB/FM) on a 
nice single laminated sheet front/back.
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=73

I second the vote for Orbitron if you are a Windows user.  It does have 
the ability to control your rotators and rig directly, but you have to 
download another program for that called a DDE client.  I used wispdde 
for a while.
orbitron:  http://www.stoff.pl/
wispdde:  http://www.mederoscnc.com/CX6DD/wispdde/wispdde.htm

If you are a Linux user, 'predict' is a good command line tool, and 
'gpredict' is a good graphical version.  Both can be found in the 
repositories and installed using the following command in a terminal 
(assuming a Debian flavored distribution):
sudo apt-get install predict
sudo apt-get install gpredict

Good Luck!

73s,
Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/7/2015 11:51 AM, John Brier wrote:
> Satpc32 seems to require more up front configuration and learning. I gave
> up and used Orbitron which seems more simple and is also free. I recommend
> it.
> On Nov 7, 2015 9:14 AM, "Burns Fisher" <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:
>
>> As to pass prediction programs, SatPC32 is not free, but like the book
>> Drew mentioned it comes as a premium with a certain level of AMSAT
>> membership.  It is one of the "gold standard" programs that includes
>> automated tuning of your rig (if it has computer control) to
>> compensate for doppler and steering of rotators.
>>
>> But another truly free resource is at
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/index.php, an on-line
>> pass prediction tool.
>>
>> Good luck and 73,
>>
>> Burns W2BFJ
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner
>> <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> It's not perfect and needs some additions and updates, but here is a
>>> resource: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177
>>>
>>> You may also consider the Getting Started book from AMSAT, which can be
>> had
>>> as a free download with AMSAT membership, or purchased in hard copy from
>> the
>>> store at
>>> http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=125
>>>
>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KG4BYN
>> - Ben
>>> Harold
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:11 PM
>>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
>>>
>>> ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've
>>> determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never worked
>>> the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, right?
>> our
>>> local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not from around
>> here)
>>> provide a very brief demonstration one saturday morning in a walmart
>> parking
>>> lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was a LONG time ago.  most of my
>>> hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.
>>> i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've
>> got my
>>> vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR PROBLEM is
>>> _/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds with
>>> transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE a cw
>>> beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded through
>> tons
>>> of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL having a difficult
>>> time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a dinosaur (OLD) and and
>>> recovering from extremely severe colon cancer surgery, BUT i'm looking to
>>> broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a DECENT free tracking program
>>> with updating pass predictions would be helpful, too.  i have a refurb pc
>>> notebook in the shack for this project.  yes, i've heard of google, and
>> yes,
>>> i've read darned near everything i can find...but the more i read, the
>> more
>>> confused this old guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email
>> so as
>>> not to clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but
>> also,
>>> sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect
>> problem
>>> reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid questions.
>> i
>>> originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta start
>> someplace.
>>> 73!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all
>>> interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>>> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>>> views of AMSAT-NA.
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>> program!
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Sat Nov  7 18:21:49 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:21:49 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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On 11/7/2015 11:31, Zach Leffke wrote:
>
> Its not free ($5.00) but I like having the laminated Frequency Guide
> from AMSAT handy.  It lists all the active voice birds (SSB/FM) on a
> nice single laminated sheet front/back.
> http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=73
Join or renew your AMSAT membership and I believe you get one of those
free when you get your card.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY


From kg4byn at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 19:46:20 2015
From: kg4byn at comcast.net (KG4BYN - Ben Harold)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:46:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] a big thanks!
Message-ID: <563E550C.5060708@comcast.net>

well, i asked and you all came through.  SO - thank you!  i've got MORE 
knowledge to get me underway, now, than i did upon a few weeks of 
hunting around on the internet and just getting more and more confused.  
fwiw, i'm running windoze 7 on the box in my office and can easily 
switch from windoze to linux on my notebook in the shack.  also, i'm NOT 
- particularly - "cheap" when it comes to this, but fighting the cancer 
took its toll not only on ME, but on our pocketbook, as well.  anyway, 
thanks for ALL the info!  i'm sure i'll be popping in and out of here, 
now that you know who i am, as well as my level of "marksmanship" in 
this endeavor.
73,
ben

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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 19:51:12 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
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I just joined and got the frequency chart and the rest of the member
materials yesterday. Great stuff. Thanks.

John, KG4AKV
On Nov 7, 2015 1:22 PM, "Jerry Buxton" <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:

> On 11/7/2015 11:31, Zach Leffke wrote:
> >
> > Its not free ($5.00) but I like having the laminated Frequency Guide
> > from AMSAT handy.  It lists all the active voice birds (SSB/FM) on a
> > nice single laminated sheet front/back.
> > http://store.amsat.org/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=73
> Join or renew your AMSAT membership and I believe you get one of those
> free when you get your card.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
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From nss at mwt.net  Sat Nov  7 19:57:30 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:57:30 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
Message-ID: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>

Can anyone here run a link budget for me?

I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have 
heard about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are 
all wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't 
they just put it on the moon.

I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,

1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day

2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna 
and forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas 
that can move in AZ and EL

3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either 
is soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least 
close to 90% of what the moon see's

4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much 
farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. 
And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in 
Geo orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then 
drop the same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed 
to have the same level of contact quality?

Joe WB9SBD


From nss at mwt.net  Sat Nov  7 20:00:38 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:00:38 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <563E5866.7060309@mwt.net>

oops I missed Now drop the same transponder on the moon,, and how much 
more is needed?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/7/2015 1:57 PM, Joe wrote:
> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
>
> I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have 
> heard about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are 
> all wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why 
> don't they just put it on the moon.
>
> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
>
> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
>
> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna 
> and forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas 
> that can move in AZ and EL
>
> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see 
> either is soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be 
> at least close to 90% of what the moon see's
>
> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much 
> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. 
> And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder 
> in Geo orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  
> then drop the same transponder and how much more erp each way will be 
> needed to have the same level of contact quality?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Nov  7 20:14:12 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 15:14:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E5866.7060309@mwt.net>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
	<563E5866.7060309@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOoUUr4D9O16xkg84LiUB+8sXOOXeVsBbHMWtKMo6_rE3g@mail.gmail.com>

It's about 20 dB more path loss to the moon than to geosynchronous
orbit. So if you need 5-10 watts of RF to a small dish for the
geosynchronous satellite, you'd need 1000w to the same dish or a much
larger dish to reach a transponder on the moon.

Not to mention the delay for a signal to the moon and back is 2.6
seconds compared to about 240 ms for a signal to and from a
geosynchronous satellite.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
> oops I missed Now drop the same transponder on the moon,, and how much more
> is needed?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 11/7/2015 1:57 PM, Joe wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
>>
>> I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have
>> heard about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all
>> wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they
>> just put it on the moon.
>>
>> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
>>
>> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
>>
>> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna and
>> forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that can
>> move in AZ and EL
>>
>> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either
>> is soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least close
>> to 90% of what the moon see's
>>
>> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
>> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. And
>> thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in Geo
>> orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then drop the
>> same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have the
>> same level of contact quality?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
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>> AMSAT-NA.
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>>
>
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From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Sat Nov  7 20:17:49 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 20:17:49 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <64DB892CFAA94599A37173DBD7DDA6AA@allgood.local>

Hi Joe,

if they or you would like to play with numbers I can thoroughly recommend a 
number of Jan King's spreadsheets we are hosted here
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/spreadsheet.htm

Of course not only the moon much further away but it gets mighty cold on the 
surface when it is in eclipse...

73

Graham
G3VZV

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 7:57 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget

Can anyone here run a link budget for me?

I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have
heard about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are
all wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't
they just put it on the moon.

I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,

1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day

2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna
and forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas
that can move in AZ and EL

3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either
is soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least
close to 90% of what the moon see's

4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more.
And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in
Geo orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then
drop the same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed
to have the same level of contact quality?

Joe WB9SBD

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From burns at fisher.cc  Sat Nov  7 20:28:33 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 15:28:33 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxVtXXFHvm_3_BLd4SKyTDRSpOdYwsA+x+kXJrTNHG0Eew@mail.gmail.com>

While it appears that you are right about the link budget, one of you
arguments holds only *some* water, and that is tracking.
GeoSTATIONARY birds would require to tracking, but there are
geosynchronous orbits (i.e. 24 hours, but not necessarily 0
inclination and 0 eccentricity) which would move north/south or
east/west in the sky over the course of a day.

And regarding the moon:  Another argument against it is that it is
darned hard to land on the moon.  Lots more deltaV required.

73,

Burns W2BFJ

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
>
> I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have heard
> about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all
> wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they
> just put it on the moon.
>
> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
>
> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
>
> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna and
> forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that can
> move in AZ and EL
>
> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either is
> soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least close to
> 90% of what the moon see's
>
> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. And
> thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in Geo
> orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then drop the
> same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have the
> same level of contact quality?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From k9jkm at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 20:26:55 2015
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:26:55 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <006101d1199a$a8baafc0$fa300f40$@net>

An overview of the Phase 4 link was presented this week at the Palomar
Amateur Radio Club. The video from the meeting is at:
https://youtu.be/-pjsS4OLg8w  It explains a bit more than can be covered in
an e-mail.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Joe
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:57 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
> 
> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?



From burns at fisher.cc  Sat Nov  7 20:29:30 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 15:29:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxVtXXFHvm_3_BLd4SKyTDRSpOdYwsA+x+kXJrTNHG0Eew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
	<CABX7KxVtXXFHvm_3_BLd4SKyTDRSpOdYwsA+x+kXJrTNHG0Eew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxX=KkXWX4bHrUow4_cLqAycfu629HMOXgEsUj10a4K2_A@mail.gmail.com>

Fudge.  That is GeoSTATIONARY birds would require *no* tracking....

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Burns Fisher <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:
> While it appears that you are right about the link budget, one of you
> arguments holds only *some* water, and that is tracking.
> GeoSTATIONARY birds would require to tracking, but there are
> geosynchronous orbits (i.e. 24 hours, but not necessarily 0
> inclination and 0 eccentricity) which would move north/south or
> east/west in the sky over the course of a day.
>
> And regarding the moon:  Another argument against it is that it is
> darned hard to land on the moon.  Lots more deltaV required.
>
> 73,
>
> Burns W2BFJ
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
>>
>> I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have heard
>> about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all
>> wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they
>> just put it on the moon.
>>
>> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
>>
>> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
>>
>> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna and
>> forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that can
>> move in AZ and EL
>>
>> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either is
>> soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least close to
>> 90% of what the moon see's
>>
>> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
>> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. And
>> thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in Geo
>> orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then drop the
>> same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have the
>> same level of contact quality?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From amsat at n0jy.org  Sat Nov  7 20:45:13 2015
From: amsat at n0jy.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 14:45:13 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <5e8c329c-552f-4cf7-b58b-93435b0974e1@email.android.com>

Actually, we are working on one that will be orbiting the Moon...

Jerry
N0JY

On Nov 7, 2015 1:57 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>
> Can anyone here run a link budget for me? 
>
> I'm in an? slight heated debate with some people, About how they have 
> heard about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are 
> all wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't 
> they just put it on the moon. 
>
> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better, 
>
> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day 
>
> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna 
> and forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas 
> that can move in AZ and EL 
>
> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either 
> is soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least 
> close to 90% of what the moon see's 
>
> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much 
> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. 
> And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in 
> Geo orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?? then 
> drop the same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed 
> to have the same level of contact quality? 
>
> Joe WB9SBD 
>
> _______________________________________________ 
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available 
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed 
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. 
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>

From KA9QJG at COMCAST.NET  Sat Nov  7 21:10:17 2015
From: KA9QJG at COMCAST.NET (KA9QJG)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 15:10:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <052c01d119a0$b465b080$1d311180$@COMCAST.NET>

Joe  And Others for many years I have Heard thoughts about a Geo synchronous
well  mostly it was the cost,   But I also heard a lot of people say if We
had a Geo type bird We would have the people who like to setting us Big ants
lots of power and just set and  be on the  birds all the time .
Unfortunately I know We do have this type on the air I haves no idea if this
would actually happen or not 

73 De Don KA9QJG

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:58 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget

Can anyone here run a link budget for me?

I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have heard
about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all
wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they
just put it on the moon.

I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,

1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day

2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna and
forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that can
move in AZ and EL

3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either is
soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least close to
90% of what the moon see's

4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. 
And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in Geo
orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then drop the
same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have the
same level of contact quality?

Joe WB9SBD

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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Nov  7 21:22:13 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:22:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <052c01d119a0$b465b080$1d311180$@COMCAST.NET>
References: <563E57AA.1090106@mwt.net>
	<052c01d119a0$b465b080$1d311180$@COMCAST.NET>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOoLpP05UzjiE2fHkZ-7pwbH2+eBmcOJJYzc7EB78Da1VA@mail.gmail.com>

The good thing is that high power at 5 GHz is expensive, so I doubt
anyone will be running too much more than they have to on P4B!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:10 PM, KA9QJG <KA9QJG at comcast.net> wrote:
> Joe  And Others for many years I have Heard thoughts about a Geo synchronous
> well  mostly it was the cost,   But I also heard a lot of people say if We
> had a Geo type bird We would have the people who like to setting us Big ants
> lots of power and just set and  be on the  birds all the time .
> Unfortunately I know We do have this type on the air I haves no idea if this
> would actually happen or not
>
> 73 De Don KA9QJG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Joe
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:58 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
>
> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
>
> I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have heard
> about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all
> wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they
> just put it on the moon.
>
> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
>
> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
>
> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna and
> forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that can
> move in AZ and EL
>
> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either is
> soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least close to
> 90% of what the moon see's
>
> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more.
> And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in Geo
> orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then drop the
> same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have the
> same level of contact quality?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
> interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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From w7lrd at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 21:46:44 2015
From: w7lrd at comcast.net (Bob- W7LRD)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 21:46:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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Why not L/S on a geo bird? I may have missed the memo on that idea. Many of us still have AO40 (sobsob) gear. 
73 Bob W7LRD 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm at arrl.net> 
To: "KA9QJG" <KA9QJG at comcast.net> 
Cc: "Joe" <nss at mwt.net>, "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org> 
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:22:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Link Budget 

The good thing is that high power at 5 GHz is expensive, so I doubt 
anyone will be running too much more than they have to on P4B! 

73, 

Paul, N8HM 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:10 PM, KA9QJG <KA9QJG at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Joe And Others for many years I have Heard thoughts about a Geo synchronous 
> well mostly it was the cost, But I also heard a lot of people say if We 
> had a Geo type bird We would have the people who like to setting us Big ants 
> lots of power and just set and be on the birds all the time . 
> Unfortunately I know We do have this type on the air I haves no idea if this 
> would actually happen or not 
> 
> 73 De Don KA9QJG 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Joe 
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:58 PM 
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget 
> 
> Can anyone here run a link budget for me? 
> 
> I'm in an slight heated debate with some people, About how they have heard 
> about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all 
> wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they 
> just put it on the moon. 
> 
> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better, 
> 
> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day 
> 
> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna and 
> forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that can 
> move in AZ and EL 
> 
> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either is 
> soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least close to 
> 90% of what the moon see's 
> 
> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much 
> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more. 
> And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in Geo 
> orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way? then drop the 
> same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have the 
> same level of contact quality? 
> 
> Joe WB9SBD 
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Nov  7 21:53:06 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 12:53:06 -0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
Message-ID: <201511072153.tA7LrMOV006612@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Maybe.  Ever heard of Moonbounce (eme)?

I have a 16-foot dish (4.9m) which can make 5w very loud on 
5-GHz!  Compared to a 3-foot dish it is 20Log(16/3) = 14.5 dB more 
gain (28 times as much signal strength).

It moves slow so would not track a LEO at all and only track HEO at 
the highest part of the orbit where angular rates are slow.  It 
tracks the Moon very nice.  I use in on 1296-eme with 125w.

5-GHz eme typically have 50w or more power.  Most run TWT's.  Some 
have hundreds of watts!

73, Ed - KL7UW

Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:22:13 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
To: KA9QJG <KA9QJG at comcast.net>
Cc: Joe <nss at mwt.net>, "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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The good thing is that high power at 5 GHz is expensive, so I doubt
anyone will be running too much more than they have to on P4B!

73,

Paul, N8HM



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From nss at mwt.net  Sat Nov  7 22:00:01 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:00:01 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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what kind of ground station will be needed?
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
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On 11/7/2015 2:45 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
> Actually, we are working on one that will be orbiting the Moon...
>
> Jerry
> N0JY
>
> On Nov 7, 2015 1:57 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>> Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
>>
>> I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have
>> heard about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are
>> all wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't
>> they just put it on the moon.
>>
>> I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
>>
>> 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
>>
>> 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna
>> and forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas
>> that can move in AZ and EL
>>
>> 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either
>> is soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least
>> close to 90% of what the moon see's
>>
>> 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
>> farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more.
>> And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in
>> Geo orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then
>> drop the same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed
>> to have the same level of contact quality?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From pconver at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 22:04:16 2015
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 19:04:16 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
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Hello,

It is not a dumb question, is what most starting bird chasers' ask.

Trying solve this question I made a simple & free one screen
application showing at a glance most required information.

You can try it at http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm

Will show in your local time what next passes are coming.

If you click on a satellite icon, will see azimuth/elevation +
graphics, modes, doppler adjusted uplink/downlink frequencies, and a
beep alerting coming or leaving satellites.

Good luck with your renewed interest on the birds !!

Best 73,
lu7abf, Pedro Converso

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Nov  7 21:39:41 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 12:39:41 -0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
Message-ID: <201511072139.tA7Ldfgi011145@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I don't recall exactly but there is geostationary and there geocentric orbits.

The orbit that is not zero inclination will trace a figure 8 in the 
sky but its not a large deviation in position.  If 5GHz is being 
considered for the link, antenna gain may be fairly high but will 
they have a beamwidth narrower than the angular deviation that the 
figure 8 makes?  How big a dish? 2-foot? 3-foot?  Get out your 
sliderules and calculate the beamwidth (no I will not do it for you).

I think the inclination in geotationary is not very high (maybe a few 
degrees; i.e. <10).  The apparent motion would be diurnal so nothing 
rapid.  One could probably use a manual setting for a few hours.

Just a guesstimate.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Burns Fisher <burns at fisher.cc>
To: Joe <nss at mwt.net>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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While it appears that you are right about the link budget, one of you
arguments holds only *some* water, and that is tracking.
GeoSTATIONARY birds would require to tracking, but there are
geosynchronous orbits (i.e. 24 hours, but not necessarily 0
inclination and 0 eccentricity) which would move north/south or
east/west in the sky over the course of a day.

And regarding the moon:  Another argument against it is that it is
darned hard to land on the moon.  Lots more deltaV required.

73,

Burns W2BFJ



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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Nov  7 22:12:40 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:12:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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Not enough space for the antennas is the big reason. Then there's the issue
of S band downlink from GEO being unusable due to terrestrial QRM from WiFi
and ISM devices.

Also, it's not impossible that we could lose the amateur satellite service
allocation at 1260 MHz due to Galileo. Some European authorities are
already restricting amateur operations there (even though Galileo receivers
were supposed to be able to coexist with other users of the band).

Don't get rid of it yet. Maybe P3E will be able to carry L/S. Bands haven't
been determined yet. There's still the issue of terrestrial QRM at S
band though. Even so, maybe the L band uplink will be available and you'll
just need to swap out the LNB and preamp on your receive system to
receive 10 GHz.

And remember you'll be able to play around with your L band uplink
system on Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Saturday, November 7, 2015, Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd at comcast.net> wrote:

> Why not L/S on a geo bird?  I may have missed the memo on that idea.  Many
> of us still have AO40 (sobsob) gear.
> 73 Bob W7LRD
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm at arrl.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','n8hm at arrl.net');>>
> *To: *"KA9QJG" <KA9QJG at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','KA9QJG at comcast.net');>>
> *Cc: *"Joe" <nss at mwt.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nss at mwt.net');>>, "
> amsat-bb at amsat.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','amsat-bb at amsat.org');>" <
> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','AMSAT-BB at amsat.org');>>
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:22:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
>
> The good thing is that high power at 5 GHz is expensive, so I doubt
> anyone will be running too much more than they have to on P4B!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:10 PM, KA9QJG <KA9QJG at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','KA9QJG at comcast.net');>> wrote:
> > Joe  And Others for many years I have Heard thoughts about a Geo
> synchronous
> > well  mostly it was the cost,   But I also heard a lot of people say if
> We
> > had a Geo type bird We would have the people who like to setting us Big
> ants
> > lots of power and just set and  be on the  birds all the time .
> > Unfortunately I know We do have this type on the air I haves no idea if
> this
> > would actually happen or not
> >
> > 73 De Don KA9QJG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org');>] On Behalf
> Of Joe
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:58 PM
> > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','amsat-bb at amsat.org');>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
> >
> > Can anyone here run a link budget for me?
> >
> > I'm in an  slight heated debate with some people, About how they have
> heard
> > about the possible Geo synchronous bird coming up, and they are all
> > wondering why don't "THEY" I like the "THEY" part, anyway why don't they
> > just put it on the moon.
> >
> > I gave them several reasons why a Geo bird is better,
> >
> > 1- It is there 24/7 where the moon is visible less than 50% of the day
> >
> > 2- the Geo bird doesn't move ( or extremely little) so set the antenna
> and
> > forget it. Where the moon requires tracking programs and antennas that
> can
> > move in AZ and EL
> >
> > 3- Useable "Window" The amount of the earths surface that can see either
> is
> > soo close to the same why bother I bet a geo bird would be at least
> close to
> > 90% of what the moon see's
> >
> > 4- And finally antennas and power required. The moon being soooo much
> > farther away the amount of power needed each way has to be MUCH more.
> > And thats what I was wondering say you had a nice decent transponder in
> Geo
> > orbit. what power levels say ERP I guess is needed each way?  then drop
> the
> > same transponder and how much more erp each way will be needed to have
> the
> > same level of contact quality?
> >
> > Joe WB9SBD
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','AMSAT-BB at amsat.org');>. AMSAT-NA makes this
> open forum available to all
> > interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > views of AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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From w0jab at big-river.net  Sat Nov  7 22:40:35 2015
From: w0jab at big-river.net (John Becker)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:40:35 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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Agreed ! Bob is so dead on this.
Seems that  LOW EARTH ORBIT for some reason is stuck in a lot of heads.
AO-40 was so much fun and so easy to use.

John, W0JAB


On 11/7/2015 3:46 PM, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
> Why not L/S on a geo bird? I may have missed the memo on that idea. Many of us still have AO40 (sobsob) gear.
>


From n0jy at amsat.org  Sat Nov  7 22:44:32 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:44:32 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
Message-ID: <563E7ED0.7040405@amsat.org>

*Summary of AO-85 testing:*

*Please do not try to uplink to AO-85 during the following times (all of*
*which occur while AO-85 is over North America) even though the*
*transponder will be active and you may hear activity.*

*Sunday November 8, 15:35 through 15:55 UTC*
*Sunday November 8, 17:15 through 17:35 UTC*
*Monday November 9, 00:05 through 00:25 UTC*
*Monday November 9, 01:45 through 02:10 UTC*

All dates and times are UTC, all passes are Sunday local time in North
America. Stations in North, Central, and northern South America are
asked to comply.
You are encouraged to copy telemetry with FoxTelem during these times to
forward to the server to help us analyze the test results.

*Details of this AO-85 testing:*

Sunday, November 8 and into early Monday, November 9 (UTC) the Fox-1
Engineering Team will be testing the COR (carrier operated relay) mode
of AO-85.
COR is the backup to the IHU failing, if IHU fails AO-85 should continue
operating as a simple COR repeater with no CTCSS necessary as long as
there is power.
In COR mode no telemetry or voice ID is present because those are
generated by the IHU.

Orbit 443 ascending, at approximately 15:35 UTC over North America we
will test a telemetry high/low reset command. Following the command
look for Ground Resets = 2 in the Computer window of FoxTelem. Once
that is confirmed, we will command the IHU OFF on the same pass. Please
keep the uplink clear in order to help us test and monitor the telemetry.

Orbit 444 ascending, at approximately 17:15 UTC over North America AMSAT
command and engineering stations will test the COR mode on the air to
observe performance.
Please keep the uplink clear so that we may test without interference,
to expedite the testing and allow for good measurements. We may command
IHU ON during the pass in order to observe battery voltage in the
telemetry. Please have FoxTelem running even if there is no telemetry
seen, it may turn on at any time during this pass.

Orbit 448 descending, at approximately 00:05 UTC Monday over North
America we will command AO-85 IHU ON. Please keep the uplink clear in
order to help us test and monitor the telemetry after the IHU is turned on.

Orbit 449 descending, at approximately 01:45 UTC Monday over North
America if we were unable to command IHU ON on orbit 448, we will
attempt to command again. Please keep the uplink clear in order to help
us test and monitor the telemetry after the IHU is turned on.

During the testing stations outside North, Central and northern South
America are invited to use the COR repeater mode and share your
assessment of AO-85 receive sensitivity and audio on amsat-bb.
Stations in North, Central, and northern South America may use the COR
repeater on orbits 445 through 447 and are also invited to share your
assessment of AO-85 receive sensitivity and audio on amsat-bb.

Please share this widely to help reach everyone who may be operating AO-85.

Thank you for your support.

-- 
Jerry Buxton, N?JY


From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Nov  7 23:03:26 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 18:03:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
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AMSAT has two serious projects underway - for both GEO and HEO.

There aren't many details available at this point. P4B, in a geosynchronous
orbit will be 5 GHz up and 10 GHz down. Bands for P3E, going to a Molniya
orbit, have not been determined yet.

Not only that, but AMSAT's partnership with Ragnarok for the Lunar
CubeQuest challenge could result in a transponder in lunar orbit, which
would be an interesting challenge. Again that will use 5 GHz up and 10 GHz
down.

And AMSAT is continuing with LEO projects, of course. Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D
launch 1Q 2016. RadFXSat (Fox-1B) launches November 2016 and Fox-1E is also
being worked on.

Lots of exciting stuff in progress over the next few years!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Saturday, November 7, 2015, John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:

> Agreed ! Bob is so dead on this.
> Seems that  LOW EARTH ORBIT for some reason is stuck in a lot of heads.
> AO-40 was so much fun and so easy to use.
>
> John, W0JAB
>
>
> On 11/7/2015 3:46 PM, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
>
>> Why not L/S on a geo bird? I may have missed the memo on that idea. Many
>> of us still have AO40 (sobsob) gear.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 23:18:02 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 18:18:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYsDrFvDgY1RZmLSoue4re=xY87JdUDxHRY5-6mBfEVQMg@mail.gmail.com>

I hope we can get Molyina/HEO bird. I would prefer a molyina orbit
satellite over a geo satellite because I thinks it would be more
interesting and fun to work, and everyone on earth can get a chance to use
it hense AO-40's Named "International Satellite". If we were to put a
satellite into lunar orbit it would not be possible to use for regular hams
but would be very interesting and a big step for AMSAT. Hopefully we can
get P3E up in orbit so we can have alot of fun.

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sun Nov  8 00:38:44 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 19:38:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32: How to change a K3 to DATA mode for PSAT-1 ?
In-Reply-To: <CALdCfNJcdqgu=LvHH+91c-VPLP0iEjfPhe_YQC0q1pzOKNWQrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <563DF06F.1070205@denstarfarm.us>
	<CALdCfNJcdqgu=LvHH+91c-VPLP0iEjfPhe_YQC0q1pzOKNWQrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563E9994.8070607@denstarfarm.us>

On 07-Nov-15 1001, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> There is no need for doppler rig control for PSK31 on PSAT.

I  need the K3 to automatically switch to, and stay in, DATA mode so I
can xmit the PSK31.

USB mode, at least on my K3, will key down but provide no audio output
from the SignaLink.

All my WSJT work always goes thru DATA mode.

Satpc32 is moving the antennas for me. When I make a change to another
Satellite, SatPC32 changes both the IC910 and if needed  the K3.

SatPC32 doesn't program but three rigs. K3 isn't one of them yet. But
there is a little inter-connectivity by using selection of Kenwood.



-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From john at papays.com  Sun Nov  8 00:42:31 2015
From: john at papays.com (John Papay)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 19:42:31 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK/p DM31 XW-2F Last Pass 0100utc
Message-ID: <405188.22704.bm@smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Patrick headed down to DM31 after the Marana Hamfest.
The XW-2F pass at 0100 utc will be the last one before he
heads for home.  DM31 is a very rare grid.  Work him if
you can.
73,
John K8YSE/7


From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sun Nov  8 00:46:49 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 19:46:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32: How to change a K3 to DATA mode for PSAT-1 ?
In-Reply-To: <CAPRXzyoVHPtYhCZb4ELo-6N1aFcjPEbP-dFVwcrKbrHPfe21cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPRXzyoVHPtYhCZb4ELo-6N1aFcjPEbP-dFVwcrKbrHPfe21cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563E9B79.1060406@denstarfarm.us>

On 07-Nov-15 1003, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
> Are you
> using a data jack on the rig? 

K3 is keyed, for WSJT, MixW, Mult-PSK, and FLDigi, by the Tigertronics
(soundcard) SignaLink. Computer programs mentioned generate the tones
and key the Soundcard ... and so on. They all work wonderfully well.

The program which was mentioned by W4apr, the psk-dop, I downloaded and
run. It keys the K3. But I have to manually put the K3 in Data mode.

The Satpc32 program has CAT functions and thus is tying up the K3 or IC910.


-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 02:38:48 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 21:38:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Video: ISS reception with Dearborn Public Schools
Message-ID: <CALn0fKPcz0f+RQYNCqza-w8q5wQ9Wrvn3jSen2WMHFVzzwHLSA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zixq5yyWH-k

My goal with this one was to get it under 10 minutes since even that
is long for the Internet. So it doesn't have much explanation of the
setup like some of my other longer videos. I'm thinking of making a
video just describing all the parts and how they work and referencing
that at the end of each reception video and then linking it in the
description and within the video.

73, John, KG4AKV

From mccardelm at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 04:23:40 2015
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 23:23:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-312 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CAM5+sos-wAsqamNoDFAqWObirLj0pBneSyyh74uaUN9PYY5e5w@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-312

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
* US Radio Amateurs Back in Space and SA AMSAT Kletskous Update
* SAREX Reflector Has Been Shut Down
* ISS Astronauts Link-Up with ITU WRC-15 in Geneva
* Help Wanted Astronauts
* QB50 project 2016
* BRICSAT-1 recovery challenge
* Hawaii Launch of Satellites Carrying Amateur Radio Payloads Fails
* ARISS News
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-312
ANS-312 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 312
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
November 8, 2015
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-312


AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9

*Summary of AO-85 testing:*

* Please do not try to uplink to AO-85 during the following times
  (all of which occur while AO-85 is over North America) even though
  the transponder will be active and you may hear activity.

*Sunday November 8, 15:35 through 15:55 UTC*
*Sunday November 8, 17:15 through 17:35 UTC*
*Monday November 9, 00:05 through 00:25 UTC*
*Monday November 9, 01:45 through 02:10 UTC*

All dates and times are UTC, all passes are Sunday local time in
North America. Stations in North, Central, and northern South America
are asked to comply.

You are encouraged to copy telemetry with FoxTelem during these
times to forward to the server to help us analyze the test results.

*Details of this AO-85 testing:*

Sunday, November 8 and into early Monday, November 9 (UTC) the Fox-1
Engineering Team will be testing the COR (carrier operated relay)
mode of AO-85. COR is the backup to the IHU failing, if IHU fails AO-
85 should continue operating as a simple COR repeater with no CTCSS
necessary as long as there is power. In COR mode no telemetry or
voice ID is present because those are generated by the IHU.

Orbit 443 ascending, at approximately 15:35 UTC over North America we
will test a telemetry high/low reset command. Following the command
look for Ground Resets = 2 in the Computer window of FoxTelem. Once
that is confirmed, we will command the IHU OFF on the same pass.

Please keep the uplink clear in order to help us test and monitor
the telemetry.

Orbit 444 ascending, at approximately 17:15 UTC over North America
AMSAT command and engineering stations will test the COR mode on the
air to observe performance. Please keep the uplink clear so that we
may test without interference, to expedite the testing and allow for
good measurements. We may command IHU ON during the pass in order to
observe battery voltage in the telemetry. Please have FoxTelem
running even if there is no telemetry seen, it may turn on at any
time during this pass.

Orbit 448 descending, at approximately 00:05 UTC Monday over North
America we will command AO-85 IHU ON. Please keep the uplink clear in
order to help us test and monitor the telemetry after the IHU is
turned on.

Orbit 449 descending, at approximately 01:45 UTC Monday over North
America if we were unable to command IHU ON on orbit 448, we will
attempt to command again. Please keep the uplink clear in order to
help us test and monitor the telemetry after the IHU is turned on.

During the testing stations outside North, Central and northern South
America are invited to use the COR repeater mode and share your
assessment of AO-85 receive sensitivity and audio on amsat-bb.
Stations in North, Central, and northern South America may use the COR
repeater on orbits 445 through 447 and are also invited to share your
assessment of AO-85 receive sensitivity and audio on amsat-bb.

Please share this widely to help reach everyone who may be operating
AO-85.

The AO-85 team thanks you for your support.

[ANS thanks Jerry N0JY for the above information]


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US Radio Amateurs Back in Space and SA AMSAT Kletskous Update

The launch of the Fox 1A CubeSat on 8 October 2015 marked the return
of satellites built by AMSAT North America (Amateur Radio Satellite
Corporation). US amateurs were the first to build and launch
satellites just a few years after the Russians stunned the world with
Sputnik 1 in 1957. For several decades they led the pack and built
bigger and better satellite. That that came to an end some five years
ago when free rides into space dried up.

AMSAT had to refocus its activities and look at CubeSat as the best
alternative possible option as free and more affordable launches
became available. One of the options is the NASA ELaNa program.
NASA and the Launch Services Program are partnering with several
universities to launch small research satellites. These missions
provide NASA with valuable opportunities to test emerging
technologies and economical commercial off-the-shelf components that
may be useful in future space missions. NASA nanosatellites are
designed for a wide spectrum of space missions, including biology
experiments, testing advanced propulsion and communications
technologies.

CubeSats are only 10 x 10 x 10 cm and weigh under 1,3 kg. NASA?s
Kennedy Space Centre in Florida has adapted the Poly-Picosatellite
Orbital Deployer (PPOD) to put these CubeSats into orbit. This
deployment system was designed and is manufactured by the California
Polytechnic State University in partnership with Stanford University.

Fox-1A was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base as part of the
ELaNa-XII group of satellites. In addition, Fox-1C and Fox-1D are now
scheduled to fly together under contract with Spaceflight, which is
expected to launch in first quarter 2016. Fox 1B also known as
RadFXSat has been assigned a launch that is currently expected to take
place in November 2016 from Vandenberg Air Force Base as part of
ELaNa-XIV.

?The next 14 months will be rewarding ones for our volunteers, who
spent countless hours designing, documenting, collaborating,
fabricating, testing and integrating ourFox-1 design into flight
hardware,? AMSAT president Barry Baines said. ?These satellites will
be used by radio amateurs, students, and scientists who will benefit
from amateur radio capabilities on board, educational opportunities
that our spacecraft can provide to the classroom, and the scientific
data that will be available from payloads on board provided by
university students and faculties,? he said.

Organizationally, AMSAT has benefited tremendously from the Fox-1
program as it provides the basis for training anew generation of
satellite builders who are now seasoned veterans, capable of tackling
more complex and challenging projects.

?AMSAT?s reputation as a satellite innovator is enhanced as the Fox-1
design allows seamless integration of scientific payloads that can
benefit from a reliable communications downlink capable of low speed
and high speed data transmissions,? Baines said.

Fox-1A is the first FM repeater satellite in a 1U CubeSat form
factor, capable of sending low speed telemetry as well as payload
data while the FM repeater is in normal amateur service.

Fox-1B will fly with the Vanderbilt University radiation experiments
expected in 2016. Fox-1C will launch on Spaceflight?s maiden mission
of the SHERPA multi-cubesat deployer planned for the 1st quarter of
2016. U- and L-band uplinks with the VHF band downlink will be
available. Fox-1D will launch with Fox-1C. It will include the
University of Iowa HERCI experiment. IA Virginia Tech camera will
also be included. U- and L- band uplinks with the VHF band downlink
will be available. Fox-1E ?Evolution? will carry a Mode J linear
transponder. The transponder is planned to be 30 kHz wide and will
also have a 1200 bps BPSK telemetry beacon.

South African AMSAT?s (SA AMSAT) CubeSat, named Kletskous
(chatterbox) is making good progress with the third generation space
frame to be completed before the end of the year. Good progress is
being made with all the subsystems and it is expected that by the end
of February 2016, a breadboard layout will be tested. The breadboard
layout is also referred to as flatsat as all the subsystems are wired
together on the test bench and tested as a fully operational satellite.

SA AMSAT is also planning to include experimental projects and is
inviting high school learners and tertiary education students to
submit proposals for their science project to be included in
Kletskous and make use of the transponder facilities to have the data
of their projects downloaded as part of the telemetry stream. Because
of the size of a CubeSat and the limited power budget available,
proposals must be for projects which have few components and require
little power.

For more details about Kletskous visit
www.amsatsa.org.za.
Proposals should be submitted to saamsat at intekom.co.za and reach the
Kletskous team by 28 February 2016.

See:
http://www.ee.co.za/article/us-radio-amateurs-back-space.html


[ANS thanks Hans, ZS6AKV for the above information]


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SAREX Reflector Has Been Shut Down

As previously announced the SAREX Reflector was shut down November
1. What follows is Frank Bauer's KA3HDO, AMSAT V.P. for Human
Spaceflight Programs and the ARISS International Chair, final
comments to the SAREX Reflector.

"SAREX Reflector Participants:

As previously announced, on November 1, 2015 we are shutting down
the SAREX Reflector for future message postings.  This posting
represents the SAREX reflector?s last message.

It is not clear when the SAREX reflector was first started, but from
a query to Paul Williamson, who started all the AMSAT reflectors, it
has been in operation since at least 1992.

Over the years, many of you have used this forum to gather and share
information on our ?frequent flyer? SAREX missions on the Shuttle,
our operations on the Space Station Mir and, since 2000, our
operations on ISS.  But times have changed since the early 1990s.
For starters, we have moved from the SAREX activities on the Shuttle
to ARISS on the International Space Station.  AMSAT, ARRL and the
ARISS international team of volunteers have also transitioned our
ARISS communications to you and are providing you many ways to get
information on ARISS.  This includes the ARISS Web Site
www.ariss.org, the ISS Fan Club web site www.issfanclub.com and the
AMSAT web site, www.amsat.org.  The ARISS team noticed that many on
the AMSAT BB reflector were not seeing late-breaking opportunities
for ARISS connections (School, SSTV, QSOs) unless these messages were
cross-posted between SAREX and BB.  So the decision was made by me to
move all the SAREX real-time traffic over to BB and to end the SAREX
reflector postings on this date.

Before we hit ?send? and closeout this reflector, I encourage you to
sign up and continue to get these messages on AMSAT-BB.  If you feel
there is too much traffic on BB, you can always sign up for the
digest mode, which combines many messages and sends them out
periodically (usually daily).  And don?t forget that the SAREX
archives will still be available on the AMSAT web site, so you can
research past messages.

On behalf of AMSAT-NA and the ARISS International Team, I want to
thank you for your sustained participation in this phenomenal amateur
radio human spaceflight journey.  Moreover, we look forward to your
further participation and volunteer support in the future.

While there are many ARISS volunteers to thank for their outstanding
support, I want to send a particular shout out to Charlie Sufana,
AJ9N, who has provided all SAREX reflector participants frequent
updates on ARISS status.  Thanks Charlie!

As I close this final e-mail, I want to announce that over the next
couple months, ARISS will be celebrating its 15ths anniversary of
continuous operations on the ISS, starting with November 13, 2015
when we conducted our first ham radio contacts on ISS and on December
21, 2000 when we conducted our first school contact with the Burbank
School in Burbank, Illinois.  Stay tuned on BB and our web site for
ham radio activities that we will be conducting over the year to
commemorate these historic events.

73,

Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO
AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
ARISS International Chair"

[ANS thanks SAREX and Frank KA3HDO for the above information]


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ISS Astronauts Link-Up with ITU WRC-15 in Geneva

The ITU World Radiocommunication Conference 2015 (WRC-15) is taking
place in Geneva from November 2-27. On Tuesday, November 3 at 1241 UT
there was an amateur radio link-up between WRC-15 and two astronauts
on the International Space Station (ISS).

The contact took place using the permanent amateur radio station at
the ITU. The station?s normal call sign is 4U1ITU but during the
conference the special call sign 4U1WRC is being used.

Students from Institut Florimont were able to use the ITU station to
talk to astronauts Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS and Kimiya Yui KG5BPH who
were using the  amateur radio station in the ISS Columbus module,
call sign OR4ISS.

The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) program
established the first permanent amateur radio presence in space 15
years ago. The inaugural ARISS contact took place on December 21,
2000, between a member of the ISS Expedition 1 crew and youngsters at
Luther Burbank Elementary School near Chicago. Several pupils and a
teacher got to chat using amateur radio with ?Space Station Alpha?
Commander William ?Shep? Shepherd KD5GSL.
The ARISS program lets students worldwide experience the excitement
of talking directly with crew members of the International Space
Station, inspiring them to pursue interests in careers in science,
technology, engineering and math, and engaging them with radio
science technology through amateur radio.

A video of the contact event can be viewed at:
https://youtu.be/ahdDiuFk2-Y

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK and WRC15 for the above information]


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Help Wanted Astronauts

NASA Press Release: Job Openings for Astronauts

In anticipation of returning human spaceflight launches to American
soil, and in preparation for the agency's journey to Mars, NASA
announced it will soon begin accepting applications for the next
class of astronaut candidates. With more human spacecraft in
development in the United States today than at any other time in
history, future astronauts will launch once again from the Space
Coast of Florida on American-made commercial spacecraft, and carry
out deep-space exploration missions that will advance a future human
mission to Mars.

The agency will accept applications from Dec. 14 through mid-
February and expects to announce candidates selected in mid-2017.
Applications for consideration as a NASA Astronaut will be accepted
at:

http://www.usajobs.gov

The next class of astronauts may fly on any of four different U.S.
vessels during their careers: the International Space Station, two
commercial crew spacecraft currently in development by U.S.
companies, and NASA's Orion deep-space exploration vehicle.

>From pilots and engineers, to scientists and medical doctors, NASA
selects qualified astronaut candidates from a diverse pool of U.S.
citizens with a wide variety of backgrounds.

"This next group of American space explorers will inspire the Mars
generation to reach for new heights, and help us realize the goal of
putting boot prints on the Red Planet," said NASA Administrator
Charles Bolden. "Those selected for this service will fly on U.S.
made spacecraft from American soil, advance critical science and
research aboard the International Space Station, and help push the
boundaries of technology in the proving ground of deep space."

The space agency is guiding an unprecedented transition to
commercial spacecraft for crew and cargo transport to the space
station. Flights in Boeing's CST-100 Starliner and SpaceX Crew Dragon
will facilitate adding a seventh crew member to each station mission,
effectively doubling the amount of time astronauts will be able to
devote to research in space.

Future station crew members will continue the vital work advanced
during the last 15 years of continuous human habitation aboard the
orbiting laboratory, expanding scientific knowledge and demonstrating
new technologies. This work will include building on the regular six-
month missions and this year's one-year mission, currently underway
aboard the station, which is striving for research breakthroughs not
possible on Earth that will enable long-duration human and robotic
exploration into deep space.

In addition, NASA's Space Launch System rocket and Orion spacecraft,
now in development, will launch astronauts on missions to the proving
ground of lunar orbit where NASA will learn to conduct complex
operations in a deep space environment before moving on to longer
duration missions on its journey to Mars.

"This is an exciting time to be a part of America's human space
flight program," said Brian Kelly, director of Flight Operations at
NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. "NASA has taken the next step
in the evolution of our nation's human spaceflight program - and our
U.S. astronauts will be at the forefront of these new and challenging
space flight missions. We encourage all qualified applicants to learn
more about the opportunities for astronauts at NASA and apply to join
our flight operations team."

To date, NASA has selected more than 300 astronauts to fly on its
increasingly challenging missions to explore space and benefit life
on Earth. There are 47 astronauts in the active astronaut corps, and
more will be needed to crew future missions to the space station and
destinations in deep space.

Astronaut candidates must have earned a bachelor's degree from an
accredited institution in engineering, biological science, physical
science or mathematics. An advanced degree is desirable. Candidates
also must have at least three years of related, progressively
responsible professional experience, or at least 1,000 hours of pilot-
in-command time in jet aircraft. Astronaut candidates must pass the
NASA long-duration spaceflight physical.

For more information about a career as a NASA astronaut, and
application requirements, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/astronauts

[ANS thanks NASA for the above information]


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QB50 project 2016

As reported to the AMSAT-BB, Mineo Wakita JE9PEL informs us "For the
purpose of the demonstration and development of CubeSats of the
technology of the universities around the world, it is scheduled to
be launched all 50 satellites by Ukraine Tsiklon-4 rocket on February
1, 2016. There are still also uncertainties, but I, JE9PEL
investigated the current frequencies and summarized it in an Excel
file. I'm going to issue in the future this revised version."

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.png
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.xls
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/calendar/#1602

[ANS thanks Mineo JE9PEL for the above information]


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BRICSAT-1 recovery challenge

If anyone has 9600 baud satellite capability and is looking for a
challenge, you could be successful in recovering BRICSAT (NO83).
BRICSAT simply has a negative power budget.  When it wakes up, it
should be possible to get in the command to tell it to turn off
unnecessary loads and then let it achieve full recovery.  As is, it
wakes up, sends a few feeble 20 second packets and dies again.

Bricsat has another excellent PSK31 transpodner on it too.  You can
detect BRICSAT when it awakes by the 20 second packet on the downlink
OR by the occasional PSK31 beacon on 435.350 MHz (+/- Doppler).  Do
not be confused by PSAT which also has a PSK31 tranpsonder on the
same frequency.  But they have different audio tones for the beacon.

> Downlink: 437.975 MHz, 9600 baud
> Uplink: 145.825 MHz, 9600 baud
> Latest ?guess? at the TLE (not sure if this is BRICSat)
> 1 90722U          15294.38156592 +.00051032 +00000-0 +11686-2 0 0166
> 2 90722 054.9895 030.6075 0226665 199.3544 159.8861 15.1979213102332

The commands are simple keyboard dumb terminal commands.
If you think  you want to take on this challenge, contact us.
(bruninga at usna.edu)


[ANS thanks Bob WB4APR and Jin KB3UKS for the above information]


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Hawaii Launch of Satellites Carrying Amateur Radio Payloads Fails

The November 4 inaugural launch of an experimental US military
vehicle carrying several satellites with Amateur Radio payloads into
orbit failed in mid-flight shortly after taking off at 0345 UTC from
Hawaii. The experimental Super Strypi launch vehicle, carrying a
collection of small satellites into orbit as part of the ORS-4
mission for the Department of Defense, was fired from a truss-mounted
rail system from the Pacific Missile Range Facility, off Barking
Sands on Kauai. According to Spaceflightnow.com, the Super Strypi
rocket is designed for low-cost, quick-reaction satellite launches.
Destroyed in the demonstration flight were 13 small research
spacecraft clustered on the mission for NASA researchers and
university students.

None of the satellites carried Amateur Radio transponders, but
several were equipped to transmit beacon signals and telemetry on 2
meter, 70 centimeter, and 13 centimeter amateur frequencies. The
satellites lost included Argus, EDSN, HawaiiSat-1, ORS-Squared,
PrintSat, STACEM, STU-1, and Supernova-Beta. PrintSat carried a 3D
printed structure and was designed to measure the performance of the
material over the course of its 3 year mission.

Spaceflightnow.com said the experimental launcher apparently lost
control and broke up downrange from the launch site. The November 4
maiden flight took place following several delays. The test flight
was one of two planned demonstrations of the launcher.

View the Super Strypi & ORS-4 Launch On PMRF 3 November 201 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsMegDZ_VFQ

Spaceflightnow's detailed coverage of the event can be found at
http://tinyurl.com/ANS312-Spaceflightnow

[ANS thanks ARRL Newsletter for the above information]


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ARISS News

+ The scheduled contact with Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden was postponed
because the scheduled astronaut was tied up in other activities. The
contact will be rescheduled for a later date.

+ A Successful contact was made between ITU World Radio
Communication Conference 2015 WRC-15, Geneva, Switzerland and
Astronaut Kimiya Yui KG5BPH  using Callsign OR4ISS.
The contact began 2015-11-03 11:47 UTC and lasted about nine
and a half minutes. Contact was direct via 4U1WRC.
ARISS Mentor was ON4WF.

+ A Successful contact was made between Eleanor Palmer School,
London, United Kingdom and Astronaut Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS using
Callsign NA1SS.
The contact began 2015-11-03 11:47 UTC and lasted about nine
and a half minutes. Contact telebridged via VK6MJ.
ARISS Mentor was M?XTD.

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule

BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz,  Austria, direct via OE?ARISS. The ISS
callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS. The scheduled
astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go  for: Mon 2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC

Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods,
Missouri, direct via N?KBA. The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled
to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS
The contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC

[ANS thanks ARISS, Charlie AJ9N and David AA4KN for the above
information]


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Satellite Shorts From All Over

Very nice coverage, and features Keith, W5IU, with the ARISS contact
with Daggett Montessori School in Ft. Worth, Texas:

http://tinyurl.com/ANS312-DaggettMontessori

[ANS thanks JoAnne K9JKM and the Star-Telegram for the above
information]

ARISS Contact Documentary

WKTV did a really nice job producing a documentary of the October 23
ARISS contact with West Michigan Aviation Academy.
Here is a link to the youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkOvN9CKB9M&authuser=0

[ANS thanks Les Brown, Chief Pilot, West Michigan Aviation Academy
and WKTV ro the above information]


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/EX

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From n0jy at amsat.org  Sun Nov  8 06:23:19 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 00:23:19 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Link Budget
In-Reply-To: <CAGu+VYsDrFvDgY1RZmLSoue4re=xY87JdUDxHRY5-6mBfEVQMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYsDrFvDgY1RZmLSoue4re=xY87JdUDxHRY5-6mBfEVQMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563EEA57.6080107@amsat.org>

P3E is still in the plans. 

The Cube Quest Challenge lunar mission is a way to get the experience
for our own 6U HEO.  It's not so much about having a satellite orbiting
the Moon, it's about designing and building radios that will allow
command and control as well as transponder use for a 6U CubeSat.  The
end result of our participation with the people involved in the CQC is
that they will turn the satellite over to us for an amateur radio
satellite orbiting the Moon when they are done.  We expect that with the
ground terminal we are designing and some larger dishes, some can work
the satellite.  We expect that with the ground station we are designing
anyone who has one can hear the satellite in lunar orbit and that will
be a factor in the derby to collect the most data from the Moon, just as
hams help collect telemetry for the satellites orbiting Earth.  Prize
money from the derby helps pay for our 6U to HEO.
In the end we gain the know how to put 5 and 10 GHz in a 6U and attitude
control and propulsion that we can use for our own 6U HEO design.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 11/7/2015 17:18, Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW wrote:
> I hope we can get Molyina/HEO bird. I would prefer a molyina orbit
> satellite over a geo satellite because I thinks it would be more
> interesting and fun to work, and everyone on earth can get a chance to use
> it hense AO-40's Named "International Satellite". If we were to put a
> satellite into lunar orbit it would not be possible to use for regular hams
> but would be very interesting and a big step for AMSAT. Hopefully we can
> get P3E up in orbit so we can have alot of fun.
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From koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl  Sun Nov  8 08:15:24 2015
From: koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl (Koos van den Hout)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 09:15:24 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Video: ISS reception with Dearborn Public Schools
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKPcz0f+RQYNCqza-w8q5wQ9Wrvn3jSen2WMHFVzzwHLSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALn0fKPcz0f+RQYNCqza-w8q5wQ9Wrvn3jSen2WMHFVzzwHLSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151108081524.GA24093@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>

Quoting John Brier who wrote on Sat 2015-11-07 at 21:38:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zixq5yyWH-k
> 
> My goal with this one was to get it under 10 minutes since even that
> is long for the Internet. So it doesn't have much explanation of the
> setup like some of my other longer videos. I'm thinking of making a
> video just describing all the parts and how they work and referencing
> that at the end of each reception video and then linking it in the
> description and within the video.

Good video, nice use of the displays of time, map with coverage and az/el.
And a nice way to match the questions with the answers with reasonable
audio levels (and subtitles).

A 'making of' video where you explain more about how the ISS passes along
the sky, why you rotate your antenna and how it's all set up would be nice.

                                      Koos van den Hout PD4KH

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From dave.remnant at ntlworld.com  Sat Nov  7 14:14:03 2015
From: dave.remnant at ntlworld.com (Dave Remnant)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:14:03 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
In-Reply-To: <563D79D7.2010009@comcast.net>
References: <563D79D7.2010009@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000f01d11966$8e1cb660$aa562320$@remnant@ntlworld.com>

Ben

I have been using satellites for a very long time and I got overwhelmed by
the amount of information about all the new satellite launches that have
been occurring this year and are planned in the near future.

So for the sake of collating this into one cohesive place I created a
spreadsheet which I have attached (If it doesn't appear on the BB I'll be
happy to send it direct). 

Anyone can use it and if there are any errors or omissions then please feel
free to pass them back to me.

Please note this was created for my interest in satellites that have voice
capability. If they have telemetry or data capability it is shown. What this
list does NOT include is the data only satellites as I have not interest
personally in data only and wanted to keep this list as simple as possible.

If anything is unclear or if you have any questions please feel free to ask.

Best 73 de Dave M0SAT (IO91TP)


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KG4BYN - Ben
Harold
Sent: 07 November 2015 04:11
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world

ok, these are, indeed, the dumbest questions for you folks, because i've
determined you all ARE the experts.  i'm a 60+ year old ham. never worked
the birds, but have always been fascinated.  yup typical story, right?  our
local, somewhat, non-existent radio club had someone (not from around here)
provide a very brief demonstration one saturday morning in a walmart parking
lot - circa 2001.  needless to say that was a LONG time ago.  most of my
hamming has been cw, with a rare ssb qso.  
i got burned out on 2m/70cm, early on (many years ago), howver...i've got my
vhf/gear and antennas updated for some sat work.  MY MAJOR PROBLEM is
_/where/_ can i find downlink/uplink freqs for the fm birds with
transponders.  to be honest, i'd be darned happy to just to RECEIVE a cw
beacon or even some packet via rig and soundcard.  i've weeded through tons
of websites, tons of threads on this bb...and am STILL having a difficult
time finding the info for what i want.  i'm a dinosaur (OLD) and and
recovering from extremely severe colon cancer surgery, BUT i'm looking to
broaden my horizons/hobby.  also a link to a DECENT free tracking program
with updating pass predictions would be helpful, too.  i have a refurb pc
notebook in the shack for this project.  yes, i've heard of google, and yes,
i've read darned near everything i can find...but the more i read, the more
confused this old guys gets.  feel free to answer me via private email so as
not to clutter this mailing list...which HAS provided great info, but also,
sadly,  adds to my confusion.  at least, i've got the doppler effect problem
reasonably figured out.  sorry for the long email and stupid questions.  i
originally wasn't going to send it, but i figured i gotta start someplace.
73!






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From pconver at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 16:25:33 2015
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:25:33 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
Message-ID: <CANTZqKnJjcwZGtsAtmWeFjbMuKi2RmkxP_1PNzBqbZVgTAxyZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

It is not a dumb question, is what most starting bird chasers' ask.

Trying solve this question I made a simple & free one screen
application showing at a glance most required information.

You can try it at http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm

Will show in your local time what next passes are coming.

If you click on a satellite icon, will see azimuth/elevation +
graphics, modes, doppler adjusted uplink/downlink frequencies, and a
beep alerting coming or leaving satellites.

Good luck with your renewed interest on the birds !!

Best 73,
lu7abf, Pedro Converso

From twdeckard at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  8 13:09:42 2015
From: twdeckard at earthlink.net (Todd W. Deckard)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 07:09:42 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 10, Issue 342
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2189.1446950330.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.2189.1446950330.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <AEF276D7-CC2D-43A0-B4B0-5C99D08484A2@earthlink.net>

Greetings All

Pedro - this site is wonderful.  It's much better than I was trying to build for myself to serve the same purpose.  Thanks for sharing it.

>You can try it at >http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm
>
>Will show in your local >time what next passes are >coming.
>


> On Nov 7, 2015, at 8:38 PM, amsat-bb-request at amsat.org wrote:
> 
> 
> You can try it at http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm
> 
> Will show in your local time what next passes are coming.

From wageners at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 14:12:21 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 08:12:21 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information -online-
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHCXs+9PLgtj5zAqODpboCvEUVmg2C1DB-5NEAK5XXENRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Some of the most comprehensive and very frequently updated sources of
amateur radio satellite information can be found here:

1. From Mineo Wakita, JE9PEL

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm

2. From Mike Rupprecht, DK3WN

http://www.dk3wn.info/satellites.shtml

Bookmarked on my Mac for immediate access :-)

Stefan, VE4NSA

From nss at mwt.net  Sun Nov  8 14:14:04 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 08:14:04 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
In-Reply-To: <CANTZqKkFPGDmSBpUeC7Gs9Ng4RSrWaMQeXR9s5OCWGbY7wRgvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANTZqKkFPGDmSBpUeC7Gs9Ng4RSrWaMQeXR9s5OCWGbY7wRgvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563F58AC.10709@mwt.net>

That page looks very promising except I'm having a problem with it.

I set it to work with my EN43xo location, and it up dated nicely.

Seeing no passes soon I minimized the window and went back to going 
through E-Mails.

A few moments later an alarm is going off I re open the window and it's 
flashing that the iss is passing over now,  BUT...... the time table 
says it is not, as well as the map has it flying over south Africa.

Hmmmm?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/7/2015 4:04 PM, Pedro Converso wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It is not a dumb question, is what most starting bird chasers' ask.
>
> Trying solve this question I made a simple & free one screen
> application showing at a glance most required information.
>
> You can try it at http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm
>
> Will show in your local time what next passes are coming.
>
> If you click on a satellite icon, will see azimuth/elevation +
> graphics, modes, doppler adjusted uplink/downlink frequencies, and a
> beep alerting coming or leaving satellites.
>
> Good luck with your renewed interest on the birds !!
>
> Best 73,
> lu7abf, Pedro Converso
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net  Sun Nov  8 14:30:26 2015
From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] UN on satellite
Message-ID: <7211e66d017208aeab77e84eca77a653@burlingtontelecom.net>

I'm working on an article for the AMSAT Journal on the 4U70UN satellite 
activation.

Does anyone know when/if the UN has ever been activated on satellite 
before? I think it has, but I don't see anything in my logs that go back 
to the mid 90's.

Tnx,
Mike

-- 
73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"

From daniel at destevez.net  Sun Nov  8 14:37:32 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:37:32 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
Message-ID: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>

Hi all,

An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at about
14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite went
silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the lines
of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds later
the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From burns at fisher.cc  Sun Nov  8 14:56:35 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 09:56:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
In-Reply-To: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>
References: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxV5FM8-XpbS35C46h9GzEGjvuhAPB5=ndeVhDeV+78utg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for reporting this, Daniel.  This could either have been a
processor reset for some reason, or simply the hang timer on the
transponder timing out not having detected a 67Hz tone in a couple
minutes.  Either one would seem pretty similar.  Neither one is cause
for concern if it came back up.

Processor resets are not unexpected.  In fact they are less common
than expected.  They are usually caused by radiation of various sorts
in space (low energy protons etc) temporarily messing up the
processor.  A reset and/or a power cycle as so far always sufficed to
fix the problem.

I just checked the latest telemetry we have on the server, and there
are not yet any reports of a processor reset, but right now, AO-85 is
over the South Pacific.  A close-to-overhead pass coming up soon.

Thanks again and 73,

Burns W2BFJ
Fox-1 Flight Software

P.S.:  Everyone who reads this in North, Central, and northern South
America:  Just a reminder: Please remember that we are testing the
satellite today.  Please collect telemetry (if any) and listen but
don't transmit.  In Europe, Asia, Oceana, etc etc...feel free to use
the transponder and report what it sounds like if we manage to shift
to carrier operated mode.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at about
> 14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite went
> silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the lines
> of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds later
> the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
> telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened.
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
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From pconver at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 15:45:31 2015
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 12:45:31 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] dumbest questions in the world
In-Reply-To: <563F58AC.10709@mwt.net>
References: <CANTZqKkFPGDmSBpUeC7Gs9Ng4RSrWaMQeXR9s5OCWGbY7wRgvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<563F58AC.10709@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <CANTZqKkQ-NJF8Wt3HhJb+Ena8imrMcbqA2=96j9R=rvNXWQKfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Please check if the house Icon on map shows on your location.

If it is not, click on 'Change', then click on 'Reset' and enter
either your grid locator or latitude/longitude, then click 'Resolve'
and finally click 'Set New'

Should bring map showing 'house icon' over your location and develop
passes on your local time sorted by time.

Make sure you have correct date/time and timezone on your device.

Thanks for trying !! and good luck chasing birds.

Best 73 from Buenos Aires.

lu7abf, Pedro Converso




On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
> That page looks very promising except I'm having a problem with it.
>
> I set it to work with my EN43xo location, and it up dated nicely.
>
> Seeing no passes soon I minimized the window and went back to going through
> E-Mails.
>
> A few moments later an alarm is going off I re open the window and it's
> flashing that the iss is passing over now,  BUT...... the time table says it
> is not, as well as the map has it flying over south Africa.
>
> Hmmmm?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 11/7/2015 4:04 PM, Pedro Converso wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> It is not a dumb question, is what most starting bird chasers' ask.
>>
>> Trying solve this question I made a simple & free one screen
>> application showing at a glance most required information.
>>
>> You can try it at http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm
>>
>> Will show in your local time what next passes are coming.
>>
>> If you click on a satellite icon, will see azimuth/elevation +
>> graphics, modes, doppler adjusted uplink/downlink frequencies, and a
>> beep alerting coming or leaving satellites.
>>
>> Good luck with your renewed interest on the birds !!
>>
>> Best 73,
>> lu7abf, Pedro Converso
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>>
>
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From james at wx4tv.com  Sun Nov  8 15:51:22 2015
From: james at wx4tv.com (James Lea - WX4TV)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:51:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85
Message-ID: <F6B7F5D5-195D-4CF9-8933-937F9D569ED6@wx4tv.com>

That's a HOT downlink!  Hope copied Drew off the side of her Arrow at 3.6 from LOS and the bird was behind the house. 

Drew, you sounded good in repeater mode. 

James Lea
Sent from my iPhone

From wa4sca at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 16:00:22 2015
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:00:22 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85
In-Reply-To: <F6B7F5D5-195D-4CF9-8933-937F9D569ED6@wx4tv.com>
References: <F6B7F5D5-195D-4CF9-8933-937F9D569ED6@wx4tv.com>
Message-ID: <000101d11a3e$9322f010$b968d030$@GMAIL.COM>

Heard Drew throughout the pass, N8MH briefly.  Audio sounded good, with deviation somewhat wider than
usual.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA


<-----Original Message-----
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<Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85
<
<That's a HOT downlink!  Hope copied Drew off the side of her Arrow at 3.6 from LOS and the bird was
<behind the house.
<
<Drew, you sounded good in repeater mode.
<
<James Lea
<Sent from my iPhone
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Nov  8 16:04:43 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 11:04:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] UN on satellite
In-Reply-To: <7211e66d017208aeab77e84eca77a653@burlingtontelecom.net>
References: <7211e66d017208aeab77e84eca77a653@burlingtontelecom.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqV6BdB21uq9xnz4uE6nQ2FYJm6L2KcLtiucx0CAhgknw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

Ray Soifer, W2RS, wrote an article entitled "OSCAR at 4U1UN" on page
23 of the March/April 1979 AMSAT Newsletter
(http://www.ka9q.net/AMSAT-Newsletter-1979.pdf)

Ray also mentioned his activation of 4U1UN on page 18 of AMSAT Orbit
#12 (Jan/Feb 1983) On page 28, there is a mention of a Mode J station
being built at 4U1UN for use on OSCAR 8
(http://www.ka9q.net/AMSAT-ORBIT-12.pdf)

73,

Paul, N8HM


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Mike Seguin <n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net> wrote:
> I'm working on an article for the AMSAT Journal on the 4U70UN satellite
> activation.
>
> Does anyone know when/if the UN has ever been activated on satellite before?
> I think it has, but I don't see anything in my logs that go back to the mid
> 90's.
>
> Tnx,
> Mike
>
> --
> 73,
> Mike, N1JEZ
> "A closed mouth gathers no feet"
> _______________________________________________
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From daniel at destevez.net  Sun Nov  8 16:18:27 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:18:27 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 COR mode
Message-ID: <563F75D3.9070504@destevez.net>

Hi,

AO-85 COR mode was working fine in its last pass over Europe (about
15:52 UTC). Plenty of stations where using the transponder and it seems
that most sounded quite good without the DUV telemetry.

Hitting the transponder with my handheld arrow and 5W didn't seem more
difficult than usual, perhaps even a bit easier.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov  8 16:24:27 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:24:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016
In-Reply-To: <AA4C97154F5A4387B5745A9C018E883B@FMAE9DF34D30D3>
References: <AA4C97154F5A4387B5745A9C018E883B@FMAE9DF34D30D3>
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The last I heard was that the QB50 CubeSats would be deployed from the ISS in July 2016 as the Ukraine Cyclone-4 launcher option is no longer available, see 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/09/08/qb50-cubesats-to-be-deployed-from-iss/
73 Trevor M5AKA

 


     On Friday, 6 November 2015, 23:20, Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:
   

 For the purpose of the demonstration and development of CubeSats of the technology of
the universities around the world, it is scheduled to be launched all 50 satellites
by Ukraine Tsiklon-4 rocket on February 1, 2016. There are still also uncertainties,
but I, JE9PEL investigated the current frequencies and summarized it in an Excel file.
I'm going to issue in the future this revised version.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.png
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.xls
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/calendar/#1602

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita


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From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov  8 16:25:38 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:25:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016
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Last email should have said shipped to ISS in July 2016 not deployed. 


     On Sunday, 8 November 2015, 16:24, M5AKA <m5aka at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
   

 The last I heard was that the QB50 CubeSats would be deployed from the ISS in July 2016 as the Ukraine Cyclone-4 launcher option is no longer available, see 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/09/08/qb50-cubesats-to-be-deployed-from-iss/
73 Trevor M5AKA

 


     On Friday, 6 November 2015, 23:20, Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:
   

 For the purpose of the demonstration and development of CubeSats of the technology of
the universities around the world, it is scheduled to be launched all 50 satellites
by Ukraine Tsiklon-4 rocket on February 1, 2016. There are still also uncertainties,
but I, JE9PEL investigated the current frequencies and summarized it in an Excel file.
I'm going to issue in the future this revised version.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.png
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/51106qb5.xls
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/calendar/#1602

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita


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From n0jy at amsat.org  Sun Nov  8 16:32:19 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:32:19 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 COR mode
In-Reply-To: <563F75D3.9070504@destevez.net>
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Thanks for the reports James, Alan, Dani.

Please let us know via -bb what your experience is if you caught AO-85
on this current orbit 443.  We will do another test over the U.S.
beginning about 17:15 UTC.

U.S. STATIONS PLEASE KEEP THE UPLINK CLEAR!
We had some competition that affected our low power testing during this
first pass.  The longer it takes us to test, the longer it will be
before AO-85 is commissioned and we can turn it over to Operations for
scheduling.  We are trying to characterize the uplink sensitivity, and
can't do that if other stations are trying to use the bird causing QRM.

Thank you.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 11/8/2015 10:18, Daniel Est?vez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> AO-85 COR mode was working fine in its last pass over Europe (about
> 15:52 UTC). Plenty of stations where using the transponder and it seems
> that most sounded quite good without the DUV telemetry.
>
> Hitting the transponder with my handheld arrow and 5W didn't seem more
> difficult than usual, perhaps even a bit easier.
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
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From bombeiro.gustavo at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 16:06:07 2015
From: bombeiro.gustavo at gmail.com (Gustavo Nicolau)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:06:07 -0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7
Message-ID: <CAGHu4f8FgX5n6uFy46iMzjJAbqxZARmKyM9HV3p+rS3J4ok--A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to all, gud condictions today for NA via AO7. I'm in QRV.

73 de PT9BM.

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 16:54:16 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 11:54:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Video: ISS reception with Dearborn Public Schools
In-Reply-To: <20151108081524.GA24093@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
References: <CALn0fKPcz0f+RQYNCqza-w8q5wQ9Wrvn3jSen2WMHFVzzwHLSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20151108081524.GA24093@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
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Thanks always for your comments Koos.

I hadn't thought about explaining how the ISS passes along the sky. I
will definitely try to add that explanation in future videos.

Thanks,

John Brier, KG4AKV

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Koos van den Hout <koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Quoting John Brier who wrote on Sat 2015-11-07 at 21:38:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zixq5yyWH-k
>>
>> My goal with this one was to get it under 10 minutes since even that
>> is long for the Internet. So it doesn't have much explanation of the
>> setup like some of my other longer videos. I'm thinking of making a
>> video just describing all the parts and how they work and referencing
>> that at the end of each reception video and then linking it in the
>> description and within the video.
>
> Good video, nice use of the displays of time, map with coverage and az/el.
> And a nice way to match the questions with the answers with reasonable
> audio levels (and subtitles).
>
> A 'making of' video where you explain more about how the ISS passes along
> the sky, why you rotate your antenna and how it's all set up would be nice.
>
>                                       Koos van den Hout PD4KH
>
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From daniel at destevez.net  Sun Nov  8 18:43:18 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:43:18 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
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I'm a bit doubtful on the no 67Hz on input theory. There were several
stations trying to hit the satellite, including me. I was using only 5W,
so perhaps the satellite won't lock to my 67Hz tone except in good
conditions, but the other stations were probably using more power.

El 08/11/15 a las 18:19, David G0MRF escribi?:
> I think that just means there was no 67Hz on the input to start the 1
> minute timer.
>  
> However, there were some mails about testing another mode yesterday, so
> the answer may be there.
>  
> 73
>  
> David
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>
> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:37
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
> 
> Hi all, An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at
> about 14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite
> went silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the
> lines of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds
> later the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
> telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened. 73, Dani
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From burns at fisher.cc  Sun Nov  8 19:03:02 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:03:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
In-Reply-To: <563F97C6.8030903@destevez.net>
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Whatever the case, the telemetry shows that there was no satellite
reset at that time.  We did command a reset some time after that
however.  I have no other hypotheses.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net> wrote:
> I'm a bit doubtful on the no 67Hz on input theory. There were several
> stations trying to hit the satellite, including me. I was using only 5W,
> so perhaps the satellite won't lock to my 67Hz tone except in good
> conditions, but the other stations were probably using more power.
>
> El 08/11/15 a las 18:19, David G0MRF escribi?:
>> I think that just means there was no 67Hz on the input to start the 1
>> minute timer.
>>
>> However, there were some mails about testing another mode yesterday, so
>> the answer may be there.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>
>> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:37
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
>>
>> Hi all, An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at
>> about 14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite
>> went silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the
>> lines of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds
>> later the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
>> telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened. 73, Dani
>> M0HXM/EA4GPZ. _______________________________________________ Sent via
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From wb3csy at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 19:03:08 2015
From: wb3csy at gmail.com (Rick Walter)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:03:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
Message-ID: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was just on the 18:44 Z pass of FO-29 and was certain I heard an FM
signal around 435.869. There was a loud squeal and it sounded like an alien
was talking! Should I get my hearing checked or did anyone else notice?
Thanks.
Rick - WB3CSY in FN10

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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Nov  8 19:14:02 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:14:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrNcbgnYnrjqRT4O2k0viJa9O1zLM_DBx1=zRRhsawkjw@mail.gmail.com>

I was not on the pass, but it's not uncommon to hear FM signals,
normally non-amateur traffic from Central America and Mexico.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Rick Walter <wb3csy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just on the 18:44 Z pass of FO-29 and was certain I heard an FM
> signal around 435.869. There was a loud squeal and it sounded like an alien
> was talking! Should I get my hearing checked or did anyone else notice?
> Thanks.
> Rick - WB3CSY in FN10
>
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From sasb.geo at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 19:33:45 2015
From: sasb.geo at yahoo.com (Eduardo Erlemann)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:33:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7
References: <472866996.1318167.1447011225086.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <472866996.1318167.1447011225086.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I will be QRV as well.

73 Ed PY2RN
 GG66
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/8/15, Gustavo Nicolau <bombeiro.gustavo at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015, 2:06 PM
 
 Hello to all, gud condictions today
 for NA via AO7. I'm in QRV.
 
 73 de PT9BM.
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From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  8 19:38:05 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:38:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7
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Ed, I will look for you at my AOS, please make lots of noise!

73, Drew KO4MA

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Erlemann via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:34 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; Gustavo Nicolau
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7

I will be QRV as well.

73 Ed PY2RN
 GG66
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/8/15, Gustavo Nicolau <bombeiro.gustavo at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015, 2:06 PM
 
 Hello to all, gud condictions today
 for NA via AO7. I'm in QRV.
 
 73 de PT9BM.
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Sun Nov  8 19:55:53 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 13:55:53 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
In-Reply-To: <563F97C6.8030903@destevez.net>
References: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>
	<150e85358f5-11f8-574b@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <563FA8C9.2010501@amsat.org>

A few thoughts on this.

First, Burns mentioned "the hang timer on the transponder timing out not
having detected a 67Hz tone in a couple minutes".
He mis-spoke accidentally, the timing is one minute not a couple of
minutes.  So the hang timer will drop one minute after IHU ceases
detecting a valid CTCSS.

Regarding the CTCSS detection, with the receive sensitivity issue we
believe that this couples with a "tight" tone detection that we
implemented for power budget reasons that I will elaborate on after we
commission AO-85.  The short story is that it makes it harder for AO-85
to hear and therefore find the tone.  The tone detect requires the
presence of the tone for 1.5-2 seconds to consider it valid therefore
any fading, loss of signal, a stronger station capturing the receiver
and perhaps being off frequency or low elevation so that their tone was
not heard to continue that two seconds, or perhaps the strongest station
was not using a tone - a number of factors might make it such that IHU
just didn't hear a tone that it considers valid, for 60 seconds, so the
hang timer times out.  The tone is detected again, the hang timer is
activated.

The description of the situation indicates the lack of tone detect and
hang timer timeout based my experience testing Fox-1A.

Yes, tone detect is being addressed in Fox-1Cliff/D/B.    :-)

Thanks for the reports.  Hopefully this will help you understand what is
probably happening, so that you might recognize it if it happens again
and more importantly recognize if it is NOT what happened in a future
situation that you report to us.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 11/8/2015 12:43, Daniel Est?vez wrote:
> I'm a bit doubtful on the no 67Hz on input theory. There were several
> stations trying to hit the satellite, including me. I was using only 5W,
> so perhaps the satellite won't lock to my 67Hz tone except in good
> conditions, but the other stations were probably using more power.
>
> El 08/11/15 a las 18:19, David G0MRF escribi?:
>> I think that just means there was no 67Hz on the input to start the 1
>> minute timer.
>>  
>> However, there were some mails about testing another mode yesterday, so
>> the answer may be there.
>>  
>> 73
>>  
>> David
>>  
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>
>> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:37
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
>>
>> Hi all, An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at
>> about 14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite
>> went silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the
>> lines of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds
>> later the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
>> telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened. 73, Dani
>> M0HXM/EA4GPZ. _______________________________________________ Sent via
>> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open
>> forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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>> not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join
>> now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings:
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From daniel at destevez.net  Sun Nov  8 20:18:26 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:18:26 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
In-Reply-To: <563FA8C9.2010501@amsat.org>
References: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>
	<150e85358f5-11f8-574b@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<563F97C6.8030903@destevez.net> <563FA8C9.2010501@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <563FAE12.1090407@destevez.net>

Dear Jerry,

Many thanks for the in-depth explanation. Perhaps it's also possible
that several stations are transmitting at the same time, each of them
slightly off-frequency, so that the sat doesn't hear the 1.5-2 seconds
of tone from any one of these stations because they keep transmitting on
top of each other all the time, and some are weak and some are way off
frequency... This seems very plausible from what I was hearing on the
transponder.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

El 08/11/15 a las 19:55, Jerry Buxton escribi?:
> A few thoughts on this.
> 
> First, Burns mentioned "the hang timer on the transponder timing out not
> having detected a 67Hz tone in a couple minutes".
> He mis-spoke accidentally, the timing is one minute not a couple of
> minutes.  So the hang timer will drop one minute after IHU ceases
> detecting a valid CTCSS.
> 
> Regarding the CTCSS detection, with the receive sensitivity issue we
> believe that this couples with a "tight" tone detection that we
> implemented for power budget reasons that I will elaborate on after we
> commission AO-85.  The short story is that it makes it harder for AO-85
> to hear and therefore find the tone.  The tone detect requires the
> presence of the tone for 1.5-2 seconds to consider it valid therefore
> any fading, loss of signal, a stronger station capturing the receiver
> and perhaps being off frequency or low elevation so that their tone was
> not heard to continue that two seconds, or perhaps the strongest station
> was not using a tone - a number of factors might make it such that IHU
> just didn't hear a tone that it considers valid, for 60 seconds, so the
> hang timer times out.  The tone is detected again, the hang timer is
> activated.
> 
> The description of the situation indicates the lack of tone detect and
> hang timer timeout based my experience testing Fox-1A.
> 
> Yes, tone detect is being addressed in Fox-1Cliff/D/B.    :-)
> 
> Thanks for the reports.  Hopefully this will help you understand what is
> probably happening, so that you might recognize it if it happens again
> and more importantly recognize if it is NOT what happened in a future
> situation that you report to us.
> 
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> 
> On 11/8/2015 12:43, Daniel Est?vez wrote:
>> I'm a bit doubtful on the no 67Hz on input theory. There were several
>> stations trying to hit the satellite, including me. I was using only 5W,
>> so perhaps the satellite won't lock to my 67Hz tone except in good
>> conditions, but the other stations were probably using more power.
>>
>> El 08/11/15 a las 18:19, David G0MRF escribi?:
>>> I think that just means there was no 67Hz on the input to start the 1
>>> minute timer.
>>>  
>>> However, there were some mails about testing another mode yesterday, so
>>> the answer may be there.
>>>  
>>> 73
>>>  
>>> David
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>
>>> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:37
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
>>>
>>> Hi all, An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at
>>> about 14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite
>>> went silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the
>>> lines of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds
>>> later the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
>>> telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened. 73, Dani
>>> M0HXM/EA4GPZ. _______________________________________________ Sent via
>>> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open
>>> forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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>>> now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings:
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From burns at fisher.cc  Sun Nov  8 20:20:07 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:20:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
In-Reply-To: <563FA8C9.2010501@amsat.org>
References: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>
	<150e85358f5-11f8-574b@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<563F97C6.8030903@destevez.net> <563FA8C9.2010501@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxWe5L0f2ER2Y8CTAVjThsuHzTzNhd1q8-6+jPiuXMc8kQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jerry.  I never remember that timeout period even though I'm
the one that typed it into the software :-)

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:
> A few thoughts on this.
>
> First, Burns mentioned "the hang timer on the transponder timing out not
> having detected a 67Hz tone in a couple minutes".
> He mis-spoke accidentally, the timing is one minute not a couple of
> minutes.  So the hang timer will drop one minute after IHU ceases
> detecting a valid CTCSS.
>
> Regarding the CTCSS detection, with the receive sensitivity issue we
> believe that this couples with a "tight" tone detection that we
> implemented for power budget reasons that I will elaborate on after we
> commission AO-85.  The short story is that it makes it harder for AO-85
> to hear and therefore find the tone.  The tone detect requires the
> presence of the tone for 1.5-2 seconds to consider it valid therefore
> any fading, loss of signal, a stronger station capturing the receiver
> and perhaps being off frequency or low elevation so that their tone was
> not heard to continue that two seconds, or perhaps the strongest station
> was not using a tone - a number of factors might make it such that IHU
> just didn't hear a tone that it considers valid, for 60 seconds, so the
> hang timer times out.  The tone is detected again, the hang timer is
> activated.
>
> The description of the situation indicates the lack of tone detect and
> hang timer timeout based my experience testing Fox-1A.
>
> Yes, tone detect is being addressed in Fox-1Cliff/D/B.    :-)
>
> Thanks for the reports.  Hopefully this will help you understand what is
> probably happening, so that you might recognize it if it happens again
> and more importantly recognize if it is NOT what happened in a future
> situation that you report to us.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 11/8/2015 12:43, Daniel Est?vez wrote:
>> I'm a bit doubtful on the no 67Hz on input theory. There were several
>> stations trying to hit the satellite, including me. I was using only 5W,
>> so perhaps the satellite won't lock to my 67Hz tone except in good
>> conditions, but the other stations were probably using more power.
>>
>> El 08/11/15 a las 18:19, David G0MRF escribi?:
>>> I think that just means there was no 67Hz on the input to start the 1
>>> minute timer.
>>>
>>> However, there were some mails about testing another mode yesterday, so
>>> the answer may be there.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>
>>> To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 14:37
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
>>>
>>> Hi all, An unusual thing happened during AO-85 last pass over Europe, at
>>> about 14:20 UTC or so. The transponder stopped working and the satellite
>>> went silent for about a minute. Then came the voice announcement in the
>>> lines of "Hi! This is radio amateur satellite Fox 1", and some seconds
>>> later the transponder started working again. I'm sorry that I have no
>>> telemetry recording of the pass to try to see what happened. 73, Dani
>>> M0HXM/EA4GPZ. _______________________________________________ Sent via
>>> AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open
>>> forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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>>> not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join
>>> now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings:
>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From kq6ea at verizon.net  Sun Nov  8 20:25:37 2015
From: kq6ea at verizon.net (Jim Jerzycke)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 20:25:37 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net>

On 11/08/2015 07:03 PM, Rick Walter wrote:
> I was just on the 18:44 Z pass of FO-29 and was certain I heard an FM
> signal around 435.869. There was a loud squeal and it sounded like an alien
> was talking! Should I get my hearing checked or did anyone else notice?
> Thanks.
> Rick - WB3CSY in FN10
>
I've heard FM on FO-29 before, but it's been a while. I forget if it was 
a Ham, or a Mexican/South American taxi or similar.

73, Jim  KQ6EA

From sasb.geo at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 20:27:31 2015
From: sasb.geo at yahoo.com (Eduardo Erlemann)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:27:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7
References: <456630434.1304007.1447014451852.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <456630434.1304007.1447014451852.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Drew, thanks for the qso GG66 <> EL88
Not too much noise was necessary, that was relatively easy :)
Uploading qso to LoTW in a few minutes.

73 Ed PY2RN
GG66
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/8/15, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] AO-7
 To: "'Eduardo Erlemann'" <sasb.geo at yahoo.com>, "'Gustavo Nicolau'" <bombeiro.gustavo at gmail.com>
 Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015, 5:38 PM
 
 Ed, I will look for you
 at my AOS, please make lots of noise!
 
 73, Drew KO4MA
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org]
 On Behalf Of Eduardo
 Erlemann via
 AMSAT-BB
 Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015
 2:34 PM
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org;
 Gustavo Nicolau
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
 AO-7
 
 I will be QRV as
 well.
 
 73 Ed PY2RN
  GG66
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 11/8/15, Gustavo Nicolau <bombeiro.gustavo at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: [amsat-bb]
 AO-7
  To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
  Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015, 2:06 PM
  
  Hello to all, gud
 condictions today
  for NA via AO7. I'm
 in QRV.
  
  73 de PT9BM.
 
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Sun Nov  8 21:06:12 2015
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:06:12 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 "reset" during pass
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxWe5L0f2ER2Y8CTAVjThsuHzTzNhd1q8-6+jPiuXMc8kQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <563F5E2C.9050506@destevez.net>
	<150e85358f5-11f8-574b@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<563F97C6.8030903@destevez.net> <563FA8C9.2010501@amsat.org>
	<CABX7KxWe5L0f2ER2Y8CTAVjThsuHzTzNhd1q8-6+jPiuXMc8kQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563FB944.3050607@amsat.org>

There's no reason to, you typed it already!   ;-)

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 11/8/2015 14:20, Burns Fisher wrote:
> Thanks Jerry.  I never remember that timeout period even though I'm
> the one that typed it into the software :-)
>
>


From zleffke at vt.edu  Sun Nov  8 22:13:27 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:13:27 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>

Hi Rick,
     I've been monitoring FO-29 on and off for the last few weeks as 
part of my AO-73 to FO-29 cross link experimentation.  I have 
consistently seen FM on FO-29.  In fact I played a video at the AMSAT 
symposium where I pointed it out in a spectral display (FFT and 
Waterfall) of the FO-29 downlink.  We can see the entire noise floor of 
FO-29's passband with the VTGS setup, and when the FM activity jumps up, 
you can see the entire passband of the transponder drop in power as the 
FM signal sucks up all the power of the transponder.

I have detected, but have yet to decode AO-73's tlm beacon via FO-29.  
Right now I'm operating on a weak crosslink signal theory as the reason 
for failed decodes.  I can hear FO-29 just fine (in fact VERY strong at 
VTGS), but AO-73 is barely making it into the uplink passband.  I've 
come up with a simulation tool thats a mixture of STK output data and 
python that tells me when chain events will occur (a chain being AO-73 
to FO29 to VTGS) and a whole bunch of other info like doppler offsets, 
crosslink path loss, etc.

In fact, this last Friday, around 1357 Eastern time, was one of the best 
opportunities to catch AO-73 via FO-29, in terms of minimum crosslink 
path loss, in a two week window.  At the beginning of the FO-29 pass 
there was LOTS of FM activity on FO-29.  I was cursing and pulling my 
hair out (to the dismay of the students who were watching) because I was 
worried that the FM activity would suck up resources on the transponder 
right when I'm hunting for a weak signal on the bird.  BUT... as the 
satellite continued through the pass (an ascending pass) the FM activity 
died down, which was good for my experiment because the AO73 chain event 
was about the last 300 seconds or so of the pass.  I still didn't decode 
(though I *think* I detected AO-73, I need to review the capture file 
more) because doppler shift had the AO-73 signal sweeping right through 
the center of FO-29's passband, where there was lots of normal SSB activity.

So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on 
FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was 
ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.  
Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was 
over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes 
towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.

-Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/08/2015 03:25 PM, Jim Jerzycke wrote:
> On 11/08/2015 07:03 PM, Rick Walter wrote:
>> I was just on the 18:44 Z pass of FO-29 and was certain I heard an FM
>> signal around 435.869. There was a loud squeal and it sounded like an 
>> alien
>> was talking! Should I get my hearing checked or did anyone else notice?
>> Thanks.
>> Rick - WB3CSY in FN10
>>
> I've heard FM on FO-29 before, but it's been a while. I forget if it 
> was a Ham, or a Mexican/South American taxi or similar.
>
> 73, Jim  KQ6EA
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
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From w5pfg at amsat.org  Sun Nov  8 22:30:52 2015
From: w5pfg at amsat.org (Clayton W5PFG)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:30:52 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org>

I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of 
children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious 
broadcast based on their choice of crude words.

73
Clayton
W5PFG

On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>
> -Zach, KJ4QLP

From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Nov  8 22:33:56 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:33:56 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
	<563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOp6qznzNNd5NJFiCEK+GNow54wixkYLJYSjwgNAzraxdw@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>
>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
> _______________________________________________
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From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Sun Nov  8 22:52:11 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 22:52:11 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 Mode
Message-ID: <5A4032B06B6940A68CF097FA257DA26C@allgood.local>

Hi All,

Just to confirm that FUNcube-1 was returned to automatic mode during the 2100UTC pass over Europe this evening. The transponder and low power telemetry will now be available when the spacecraft is in eclipse and the high power telemetry only when in sunlight.

73

Graham
G3VZV

From zleffke at vt.edu  Sun Nov  8 22:54:28 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:54:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
	<563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <563FD2A4.9050200@vt.edu>

well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that 
happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work 
with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to 
them.

But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your 
audience is a bit younger.

Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've 
monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've 
been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters 
actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler 
between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that 
out.  We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to 
determine what the center frequency is as the signal enters the 
transponder uplink receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, 
because we don't know where the emitter is and we don't know what exact 
center frequency they are on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 
2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work 
through it though, and with enough observations and by watching the rate 
of change of the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated guess 
on what their center freq and location are.

Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could 
get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in 
fact a taxi).

-Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group 
> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a 
> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> _______________________________________________
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From burns at fisher.cc  Sun Nov  8 23:04:49 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:04:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOp6qznzNNd5NJFiCEK+GNow54wixkYLJYSjwgNAzraxdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
	<563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org>
	<CABzOSOp6qznzNNd5NJFiCEK+GNow54wixkYLJYSjwgNAzraxdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxWCRhJ+3093GEruVQcBgLhpHhQYqGR9bLmAgTC+4hy3QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Fun and interesting!  AO85 and AO73 have been coinciding frequently of
late, but they are not compatible.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
> transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
> you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>>
>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Sun Nov  8 23:10:48 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:10:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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Zach

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:

> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
> to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
> Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
> audience is a bit younger.
>
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
> We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
> what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
> receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
> where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
> on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
> unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
> enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
> bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
> location are.
>
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
> taxi).
>
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>>
>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>>
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Sun Nov  8 23:12:35 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:12:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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Zach
You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq
during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the "S",
you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of approach.
That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another one, and so on...

bob

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:

> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
> to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
> Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
> audience is a bit younger.
>
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
> We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
> what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
> receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
> where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
> on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
> unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
> enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
> bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
> location are.
>
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
> taxi).
>
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>>
>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>>
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From zleffke at vt.edu  Sun Nov  8 23:30:33 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:30:33 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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Sweet, second cross link signal to look into!  I missed that, you got 
the gears turning.......

So lets see....  145.900MHz to 146.000MHz for FO-29 passband.

A quick look through JE9PEL satlist reveals these downlinks:

AO73 tlm bcn, 145.935 MHz
AO73 transponder, 145.970-145.950 MHz
AO85, 145.978 MHz
First-MOVE cubesat (NORAD ID 39439), 145.970MHz
DUCHIFAT, 145.980 MHz
QB50p1/FUNcube3 (EO-79) transponder, 145.970-145.945 MHz
VELOX-I, 145.980 MHz
UKube-1/FUNcube-2, 145.915 MHz
DeorbitSail, 145.975 MHz
CAS-3E (XW-2E) transponder, 145.935-145.915 MHz
CAS-3F (XW-2F) transponder, 146.000-146.980 MHz
Fox-1B, 145.960 MHz
Fox-1C, 145.920 MHz

I guess its not that surprising when FO-29 has half of the 2m Satellite 
Service allocation for its uplink.  Next thing to do is figure out which 
ones are the most likely to be successful based on power levels, 
modulation schemes, transmission rate, which ones are using Forward 
Error Correction, etc.  And then look at the orbits for possible chain 
events.

fun stuff!

Does anyone know the uplink receiver sensitivity and antenna gain/design 
on FO-29?

-Zach, KJ4QLP


On 11/08/2015 05:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
> transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
> you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>>
>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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From kf5yxv at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 23:34:43 2015
From: kf5yxv at gmail.com (Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:34:43 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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Hi Zach and group

I think, the main problem is they are not always the same stations. I have
heard several different stations in terrestrial QSOs QRMing  FO-29; majority
of them speaking Spanish and without any kind of ID. I have not heard them
recently, though.

73!

Hector, CO6CBF/W5CBF

-----Mensaje original-----
De: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] En nombre de Zach Leffke
Enviado el: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:54 PM
Para: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?

well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened to
be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and Bob,
so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.

But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
audience is a bit younger.

Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've monitored
FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've been toying
with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters actually are
located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler between the
receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the
transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine what the
center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.
What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are on (but I
bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm
betting there's a way to work through it though, and with enough
observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I bet
there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
location are.

Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
taxi).

-Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group 
> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a 
> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on 
>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was 
>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was 
>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes 
>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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From zleffke at vt.edu  Sun Nov  8 23:40:48 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:40:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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That makes sense Hector.  I've seen the FM activity kind of all over the 
transponder. More so than I would expect if it was the same transmitter 
each time on the same frequency and the different pass geometries 
causing a bit of swing due to doppler.


-Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/08/2015 06:34 PM, Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF wrote:
> Hi Zach and group
>
> I think, the main problem is they are not always the same stations. I have
> heard several different stations in terrestrial QSOs QRMing  FO-29; majority
> of them speaking Spanish and without any kind of ID. I have not heard them
> recently, though.
>
> 73!
>
> Hector, CO6CBF/W5CBF
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] En nombre de Zach Leffke
> Enviado el: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:54 PM
> Para: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
>
> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened to
> be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and Bob,
> so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
> audience is a bit younger.
>
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've monitored
> FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've been toying
> with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters actually are
> located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler between the
> receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the
> transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine what the
> center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.
> What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
> emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are on (but I
> bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm
> betting there's a way to work through it though, and with enough
> observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I bet
> there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
> location are.
>
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
> taxi).
>
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group
>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a
>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>>
>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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From zleffke at vt.edu  Sun Nov  8 23:55:00 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:55:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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Good point Bob.  I haven't fully worked through the problem yet, but 
thats pretty much right in line with what I'm thinking.  Thats what I 
meant by saying watching the 'rate of change of doppler.'  When the 
slope of the doppler s-curve is at a maximum, that should be the point 
of closest approach.

Actually, that brings up a question.  Do you know what type of equation 
would fit the doppler S-Curve profile?  something that could be used to 
generate a regression equation from a few doppler observations?

-Zach, KJ4QLP


On 11/08/2015 06:12 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> Zach
> You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq 
> during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the 
> "S", you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of 
> approach.  That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another 
> one, and so on...
>
> bob
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu 
> <mailto:zleffke at vt.edu>> wrote:
>
>     well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that
>     happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They
>     work with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't
>     uncommon to them.
>
>     But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if
>     your audience is a bit younger.
>
>     Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>     monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that
>     I've been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the
>     source emitters actually are located based on doppler shift data. 
>     We know the doppler between the receiving ground station and
>     FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the transponder mapping,
>     so we can work through that to determine what the center frequency
>     is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.  What we
>     don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
>     emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>     on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have
>     two unknowns. I'm betting there's a way to work through it though,
>     and with enough observations and by watching the rate of change of
>     the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what
>     their center freq and location are.
>
>     Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we
>     could get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to
>     (if it is in fact a taxi).
>
>     -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
>     On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>
>         I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a
>         group of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most
>         likely NOT a religious broadcast based on their choice of
>         crude words.
>
>         73
>         Clayton
>         W5PFG
>
>         On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>
>             So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM
>             activity on
>             FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass,
>             which was
>             ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America
>             QRM theory.
>             Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the
>             satellite was
>             over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over
>             higher latitudes
>             towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>
>             -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
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From vk4nbl at bigpond.com  Mon Nov  9 00:21:57 2015
From: vk4nbl at bigpond.com (VK4NBL)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:21:57 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2219.1447023135.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.2219.1447023135.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP20894C252E8F97C94778D4685150@phx.gbl>


 With regards to FM signals on FO-29, we can also here them here in 
Australia.
This is most noticeable when the Sat is travelling South to North.
When it gets above Northern Queensland all we can hear is Indonesian fishing 
boats on the 2m uplink.
It does suck the power from the Sat and usually ends some very good QSO's 
long before LOS.

73
Peter
vk4nbl 


From k7trkradio at charter.net  Mon Nov  9 00:30:59 2015
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:30:59 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information -online-
In-Reply-To: <CAKu8kHCXs+9PLgtj5zAqODpboCvEUVmg2C1DB-5NEAK5XXENRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKu8kHCXs+9PLgtj5zAqODpboCvEUVmg2C1DB-5NEAK5XXENRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d11a85$e8322cf0$b89686d0$@charter.net>

Good stuff, Stefan...tnx!
73, K7trk

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Wagener
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 6:12 AM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information -online-

Hi folks,

Some of the most comprehensive and very frequently updated sources of
amateur radio satellite information can be found here:

1. From Mineo Wakita, JE9PEL

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm

2. From Mike Rupprecht, DK3WN

http://www.dk3wn.info/satellites.shtml

Bookmarked on my Mac for immediate access :-)

Stefan, VE4NSA
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From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 00:46:38 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:46:38 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fm activity on FO29
Message-ID: <CACm2je12MnYrso645LUPCBvn58vCNsjingQA1DZpy+rgq5KXFg@mail.gmail.com>

A couple weeks ago . fo29 made a pass over canada.I am in michigan and I
was barely in the footprint when I clearly heard two guys loading trucks on
the upper end of the transponder .it almost had to be coming from canada.

jeff broughton

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Mon Nov  9 01:00:32 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:00:32 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using DopplerPSK?
Message-ID: <563FF030.9070607@denstarfarm.us>

I made the last pass but was maybe 2KC higher. Also, I only see myself
when the Robot-Beacon comes on.

Saw two other guys calling CQ .. Looks like they too were using DopplerPSK

One was KC4LS btw


-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  9 01:45:08 2015
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:45:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz,
	Austria
Message-ID: <40F0E263CBF64EEAB4835C02EFFE92CF@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz, Austria on 09 Nov. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 09:42 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and OE0ARISS. The contact should be audible Austria and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

The BORG Monsbergergasse is a grammar school in Graz, Monsbergergasse 16. Graz is the second largest city in Austria, located in the southeast of the country. The school can easily be reached from everywhere in Graz using public transport.

 

About 800 students attend the school and there are about 100 teachers.  Our students can choose between 5 different areas of interest: sports, science, music, art and informatics. After four to five years the students graduate from school after taking their A-levels.

 

The school offers a fantastic infrastructure for the students. Apart from the classrooms there is a lab, a library and a cafeteria. There are special computer rooms, four gyms and outside there are several courts for doing sports.  Besides there is a garden to relax in the breaks.

 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows

 

1.  If the astronauts did not train on the ISS which consequences would they 

    have to face back on earth?

2.  What measures are taken when an astronaut gets sick?

3.  What kind of food are the astronauts allowed to eat?

4.  What is your favourite food in space?

5.  What is your daily routine on the ISS?

6.  Do you wear special clothes on the ISS?

7.  What do you do in your spare time?

8.  People on water might suffer from seasickness. Is there a similar 

    sickness in space?

9.  Can you describe your feelings and emotions when you see the earth from 

    above?

10.  Do you think it will be possible for civilians to visit the space in the 

     near future?

11.  Do you miss your family and friends?

12.  Can you think of any moments when you wanted to leave the ISS and return 

     home?

13.  What kind of research are you doing these days?

14.  Which experiments do you consider the most interesting ones?

15.  Do you also have fun on the ISS?

16.  Have you ever noticed anything weird outside the ISS?

17.  What are the risks of working in space? Does the ISS have an emergency 

     escape system?

18.  What would happen if there was a fire on ISS?

19.  Does it sometimes happen that you forget something on earth which you 

     would need in space?

20.  Why do the times of overflight-forecasts sometimes change?

 

 

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

      1. Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods,   

         Missouri, 

         The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS

         The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS

         The contact is a go for: Thu , 12Nov2015 16:25 UTC 

 

 

ARISS is an international educational outreach program partnering the volunteer support and leadership from AMSAT and IARU societies around the world with the ISS space agencies partners: NASA, Russian Space Agency, ESA, CNES, JAXA, and CSA.

 

ARISS offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers on-board the International Space Station. Teachers, parents and communities see, first hand, how Amateur Radio and crewmembers on ISS can energize youngsters' interest in science, technology, and learning. Further information on the ARISS program visit the ARISS website at ariss.org. 

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From my.callsign at verizon.net  Mon Nov  9 02:35:54 2015
From: my.callsign at verizon.net (KO6TZ Bob)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 18:35:54 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using DopplerPSK?
In-Reply-To: <563FF030.9070607@denstarfarm.us>
References: <563FF030.9070607@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <5640068A.1040803@verizon.net>

Bob,

If you are too high in the pass band / waterfall you can adjust the 
center frequency down a few hundred Hz in the settings file.  Or just 
tune the VFO of the 10m radio a little until you are where you want to 
be on the waterfall.

I have noticed the ROBOT-Beacon does turn on the NO-84 transmitter at 
times.  If you are not turning the satellite on, use more power. 40- 80 
watts works for me most of the time.  Expect your signal to be 
noticeably weaker than the telemetry down at 312Hz.

KO6TZ   Bob



I made the last pass but was maybe 2KC higher. Also, I only see myself
when the Robot-Beacon comes on.

Saw two other guys calling CQ .. Looks like they too were using DopplerPSK

One was KC4LS btw


-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 02:41:09 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 21:41:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dagget Montessori contact reception audio from Raleigh,
	NC
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNWP=-44F=r7XVBFKQwPTMHagt1oQPrxUQe_XMxHxdd7g@mail.gmail.com>

https://soundcloud.com/spacecomms/astronaut-kjell-lindgren-and-dagget-montessori-school-contact-reception

My audio recording/reception of Astronaut Kjell Lindgren talking to
students from Dagget Montessori School in Fort Worth, Texas as heard
in Raleigh, North Carolina. For continuity, I recorded myself reading
the questions the students asked, and spliced them into this
recording.

I make videos of these receptions too, like this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zixq5yyWH-k

I received answers to questions 4 - 10:

4. How does the lack of gravity affect your blood flow?

5. At what age did you decide to become an astronaut and what inspired
you to do so?

6. On Earth, we see one sunrise and one sunset a day. How does it
change your sleep-wake cycle when you see a sunrise or sunset every 45
minutes?

7. Are there any mechanical or electrical changes in your equipment
from Earth's gravity to microgravity? For example, results from the
SoRGE.

8. When you miss your family, what do you do to feel comforted?

9. If someone has a critical medical emergency, such as appendicitis,
what would you do?

10. How does microgravity affect your digestive system? For example,
does your food float to the top of your stomach?

73, KG4AKV

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Mon Nov  9 03:21:06 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 22:21:06 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using DopplerPSK?
In-Reply-To: <5640068A.1040803@verizon.net>
References: <563FF030.9070607@denstarfarm.us> <5640068A.1040803@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <56401122.9010406@denstarfarm.us>

On 08-Nov-15 2135, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
> Bob,
>
>

thanks.

I was just now trying.
I tried about every 100hz from 118 to 121 and never broke the squelch.

Using 90 watts.


>
-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Mon Nov  9 03:42:46 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 03:42:46 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Saturday at the Tucson Hamfest & driving around
	Arizona...
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUdS1LOu3GCSJwEdLx83-XvZOrNujYvboH8yJrdR8+gS1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Yesterday was a busy, and fun, day. Between the Tucson Hamfest in the
morning and over 300 miles of driving after the hamfest to operate from
3 other locations in 2 southern Arizona grids, it made for a fun day.
A good hamfest for AMSAT in the morning, and a long loop through southern
Arizona including a stop at one of the rarest grids in the continental
USA added to the fun.

I drove down to the hamfest, hosted at a school about 25 miles northwest
of downtown Tucson in the suburb of Marana, early in the morning. I was
setting up around 5am (1200 UTC), so I could be ready for the early-
morning crowds and also work the early SO-50 and LilacSat-2 passes from
the hamfest site. I was able to do that, and also work a couple of AO-73
passes later in the morning. During the morning, my AMSAT table was
visited by a group of students from the University of Arizona. They were
interested in learning about AMSAT's Fox project, as they are about to
start their own CubeSat project. Maybe we'll hear about their project in
the near future. Thanks to the Oro Valley Amateur Radio Club, the club that
hosted the hamfest, for providing AMSAT a space at the hamfest - a nice
space with a good view of the eastern sky, for the demonstrations.

After the hamfest and a quick stop for lunch, I decided to make a long
drive from the Tucson area out to the rarely-heard grid DM31. Since I
didn't leave the hamfest until almost 12 noon (1900 UTC), I knew I would
miss some really good passes that covered the east coast, but I still
wanted to make a run out that way. I have not been to DM31 in almost 5
years, and it turned out to be a perfect day to drive around southern
Arizona and be outside to work satellites.

On my way to DM31, I stopped along a highway in grid DM32re to work SO-50
and FO-29 passes just after 2100 UTC. The SO-50 pass was a shallow pass
favoring the east coast, and FO-29 basically went right over my head. I
stopped along a highway where I was not right next to the highway, and
worked these two passes. This location was on the western edge of the
Tohono O'Odham Nation reservation, which covers a large chunk of southern
Arizona. These passes went well, and I wasted no time stowing my gear after
the FO-29 pass went away to make it to my next stop.

I only had to drive about 45 minutes to reach my destination in DM31, the
visitor center at the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. This spot is
about 5 miles north of the USA/Mexico border, but a few miles inside DM31.
In my two previous trips to this grid, I operated at the Lukeville border
crossing, very close to the USA/Mexico border fence. Seeing so many Border
Patrol vehicles on the highways after leaving Tucson, and knowing the
situation just over the border in that area, I decided not to drive all the
way to the border crossing. Operating from the national monument's visitor
center was OK, even with the hills to the west that meant the most shallow
western passes were not workable.

At DM31, I worked 4 passes - two SO-50 passes, and one pass each on FO-29
and XW-2F. The first SO-50 pass, around 2245 UTC, was a high pass, but did
not stretch all the way to the east coast. I worked 13 station on this
pass. FO-29 came by about 15 minutes after the SO-50 pass, and this was a
shallow pass with maximum elevation of 5 degrees. I heard K8YSE/7 on this
pass, but did not work anyone. The last SO-50 pass around 0030 UTC added
just 2 more QSOs to the log. XW-2F, just after 0100 UTC, was probably the
best chance to work some stations further away from me to the east. I used
my SDRplay SDR receiver to hear the downlink, transmitting from one of my
FT-817NDs. I worked 4 stations, and then packed up. It was just after
sunset, and I did not want to stick around this area after dark - even at
the visitor center.

Before the last SO-50 pass I worked at 0030 UTC, I was visited by a US Park
Ranger - the law enforcement at national parks and monuments. We had a nice
15-minute chat, and I was never asked to produce any ID or paperwork for
my radio gear. Normally, when I operate from this area or other locations
near the USA/Mexico border, I'm visited by Border Patrol agents, but not
this time. As I was about to leave this area, a Border Patrol helicopter
flew very low over the visitor center heading away from the border area.

The drive from the Organ Pipe national monument to Gila Bend, a small town
along the I-8 freeway, is a 75-mile drive. On the way north, there are two
Border Patrol highway checkpoints, plus the road (Arizona 85) cuts through
the east end of an Air Force bombing range where stopping is not allowed
except for emergencies. I made the drive in about an hour and a half, and
that let me work two AO-85 passes from a McDonald's parking lot near I-8
in Gila Bend to wrap up the day's radio operating. Gila Bend is at the
north edge of grid DM32, the grid I worked from earlier in the afternoon
before I made it to DM31.

The first AO-85 pass I worked, just after 0300 UTC, was probably the
busiest AO-85 pass I have worked. I logged QSOs with 11 different stations,
and heard a few others I did not work. I used my SDRplay SDR receiver and
HDSDR software to hear the downlink, transmitting with my IC-2820H. I made
an RF recording of the pass, so I could decode telemetry and upload it
later. After the 0300 UTC pass, I had dinner, and then worked the western
pass at 0445 UTC for my final pass of the day. Four stations showed up at
that hour. When I ran the RF recordings from these passes through FoxTelem
this morning, I uploaded a total of 97 data frames to the AMSAT server -
a little more than half of them came from the earlier of the two passes.

When I made it home just before midnight (0700 UTC), I had driven 416 miles
since leaving home at 2.45am (0945 UTC). If I had only driven to the
hamfest and back home, I would have had less than 200 miles on the car. The
extra driving was nice, especially with the afternoon temperature staying
around 80F. I logged 24 QSOs at the hamfest on 6 passes (2 each on AO-73,
SO-50, and LilacSat-2), 15 QSOs when I stopped along that highway in grid
DM32 on SO-50 and FO-29, 19 QSOs on 3 passes in DM31 (2 SO-50 passes, plus
an XW-2F pass), and 15 QSOs on the two AO-85 passes in Gila Bend (DM32pw)
in the evening. I enjoy going to hamfests representing AMSAT, and the post-
hamfest road trip was a lot of fun.

I know there are a few who had hoped I could have made it to DM31 for
earlier passes yesterday. With the hamfest being the main reason I was in
southern Arizona, the post-hamfest travel was a bonus. I made sure to
stretch that into the evening, and that let me operate from a couple of
other grids (DM31, DM32) besides the grid the hamfest was in (DM42). I will
try to make another run to DM31, when I can work more passes that reach
both coasts.

All of my QSOs from yesterday's passes have been uploaded to Logbook of the
World. If you would like to receive a QSL card for QSOs with me, please
e-mail me directly with the QSO details. If you're in the log, I will send
a card. I have also posted my RF recordings and other files related to the
AO-85 and XW-2F passes I worked yesterday, available at:

http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/

Hit the refresh button, or press the F5 key, if the file/folder listing
doesn't appear immediately. Other photos from throughout the day were
posted on my @WD9EWK Twitter account. If you don't use Twitter, you can
still see those photos and other tweets in a web browser:

https://twitter.com/WD9EWK

Thanks for the QSOs, and 73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Mon Nov  9 03:55:11 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 03:55:11 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 COR mode
In-Reply-To: <563F7913.4090200@amsat.org>
References: <563F75D3.9070504@destevez.net>
	<563F7913.4090200@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcP5RgPU6h_Jy1U5Mto8pqGwzCPHvkraudbJb+UAiS5hg@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,

Sorry for the tardiness in this post to the AMSAT-BB list. I heard you and
KO4MA talking during the 1715 UTC AO-85 pass this morning. I was listening
with my SDRplay receiver, HDSDR software, and Elk log periodic out in my
yard. I made an RF recording with HDSDR, and posted the RF recording where
you two were testing the satellite (along with the RF recording from the
1855 UTC AO-85 pass, and other files related to these two passes) in my
Dropbox space at:

http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/

Look for the 20151108 folder with the name ending in DM43 to get to these
files.

Late in the 1715 UTC pass, I saw and heard AO-85 change back to the normal
mode with the FM transponder with slow-speed telemetry. I did not run
FoxTelem in real time during the pass, but made sure to run my RF recording
through FoxTelem after the pass to get the data I received up to the AMSAT
server. It was easy to see in the HDSDR waterfall the difference between
the normal mode with telemetry and the COR mode without any telemetry -
especially how the downlink transmitter ramps up to the nominal downlink
frequency, every time it fires up.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK




On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the reports James, Alan, Dani.
>
> Please let us know via -bb what your experience is if you caught AO-85
> on this current orbit 443.  We will do another test over the U.S.
> beginning about 17:15 UTC.
>
> U.S. STATIONS PLEASE KEEP THE UPLINK CLEAR!
> We had some competition that affected our low power testing during this
> first pass.  The longer it takes us to test, the longer it will be
> before AO-85 is commissioned and we can turn it over to Operations for
> scheduling.  We are trying to characterize the uplink sensitivity, and
> can't do that if other stations are trying to use the bird causing QRM.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>

From n8fgv at usa.net  Mon Nov  9 05:01:05 2015
From: n8fgv at usa.net (Daniel Schultz)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 00:01:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] BRICSAT-1 recovery challenge
Message-ID: <798TkiFaF7328S01.1447045265@web01.cms.usa.net>

What Bob forgot to mention about BRICSAT-1 is that it carries a set of
experimental electric thrusters from George Washington University. If you can
help recover BRICSAT so that its thrusters can be fired, you would be helping
to obtain performance data on the thrusters which could be valuable input to
future AMSAT mission proposals. The HEO satellite proposal needs a small
thruster for orbit maintenance. This satellite mission is important to AMSAT,
let's get out the AMSAT can-do spirit and help recover this satellite!

73, Dan Schultz N8FGV

-------------- from AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-312 --------------
>BRICSAT-1 recovery challenge

>If anyone has 9600 baud satellite capability and is looking for a
>challenge, you could be successful in recovering BRICSAT (NO83).
>BRICSAT simply has a negative power budget.  When it wakes up, it
>should be possible to get in the command to tell it to turn off
>unnecessary loads and then let it achieve full recovery.  As is, it
>wakes up, sends a few feeble 20 second packets and dies again.

>Bricsat has another excellent PSK31 transpodner on it too.  You can
>detect BRICSAT when it awakes by the 20 second packet on the downlink
>OR by the occasional PSK31 beacon on 435.350 MHz (+/- Doppler).  Do
>not be confused by PSAT which also has a PSK31 tranpsonder on the
>same frequency.  But they have different audio tones for the beacon.

>> Downlink: 437.975 MHz, 9600 baud
>> Uplink: 145.825 MHz, 9600 baud
>> Latest ?guess? at the TLE (not sure if this is BRICSat)
>> 1 90722U          15294.38156592 +.00051032 +00000-0 +11686-2 0 0166
>> 2 90722 054.9895 030.6075 0226665 199.3544 159.8861 15.1979213102332

>The commands are simple keyboard dumb terminal commands.
>If you think  you want to take on this challenge, contact us.
>(bruninga at usna.edu)

>[ANS thanks Bob WB4APR and Jin KB3UKS for the above information]




From at746david at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 10:10:17 2015
From: at746david at gmail.com (David)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:10:17 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
Message-ID: <56407109.7090900@gmail.com>

Hi all:

Just for information.

SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC

Location: IN80CP.

Max. elevation during the pass: 7?

RXing with 9 element yagi + mast preamp, horizontal polarization.

No telemetry heard.
No beacon heard.
Is sat still on COR mode?
Usual dificulties to be repeated by the sat.
Usual fading.
But clear audio (My feeling that much clearer than when the sat is in
the standard modes)
Very good signal strength (Same feeling... Is this COR mode providing
more power than in the standard modes?)

Best 73s
David EA4SG


From ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp  Mon Nov  9 10:11:34 2015
From: ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp (Mineo Wakita)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:11:34 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016 (update)
Message-ID: <91DB0087CE564A90B393E71222A6B80C@FMAE9DF34D30D3>

For the purpose of the demonstration and development of CubeSats in the technology of the
universities around the world, it had been scheduled to be launched all 50 satellites by
Cyclone-4 rocket belonging to Alcantara Cyclone Space, a joint venture between the governments
of Ukraine and Brazil, on 1 February 2016 in the first plan. The launch plan has changed, the
CubeSats are now expected to be shipped to the ISS in July 2016 with deployment at a later
date. There are still also uncertainties, but I, JE9PEL investigated the current frequencies
and summarized them in an Excel file. I intend to edit in the future this revised version.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/qb50sats.htm

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita



From daniel at destevez.net  Mon Nov  9 10:18:14 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:18:14 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
In-Reply-To: <56407109.7090900@gmail.com>
References: <56407109.7090900@gmail.com>
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El 09/11/15 a las 10:10, David escribi?:

> SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC
> No telemetry heard.
> No beacon heard.
> Is sat still on COR mode?

That's a bit weird, isn't it? VK5HI reported telemetry at 6:25 UTC today:

http://amsat.org/tlm/ao85/201511082225427.txt

I coincide in the opinion that the audio is clearer without DUV telemetry.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From daniel at destevez.net  Mon Nov  9 11:26:45 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:26:45 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
In-Reply-To: <564072E6.2000903@destevez.net>
References: <56407109.7090900@gmail.com> <564072E6.2000903@destevez.net>
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El 09/11/15 a las 10:18, Daniel Est?vez escribi?:
> El 09/11/15 a las 10:10, David escribi?:
> 
>> SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC
>> No telemetry heard.
>> No beacon heard.
>> Is sat still on COR mode?
> 
> That's a bit weird, isn't it? VK5HI reported telemetry at 6:25 UTC today:
> 
> http://amsat.org/tlm/ao85/201511082225427.txt
> 
> I coincide in the opinion that the audio is clearer without DUV telemetry.

Indeed it seems that AO-85 was in COR mode as it passed over Europe
about 11:10 UTC. Listened in SUWS websdr. Several Spanish stations on
the transponder, as today is holiday in some parts of Spain.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.




From at746david at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:53:30 2015
From: at746david at gmail.com (David)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 12:53:30 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report II
Message-ID: <5640893A.9040306@gmail.com>

El 09/11/15 a las 10:10, David escribi?:

>> SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC
>> No telemetry heard.
>> No beacon heard.
>> Is sat still on COR mode?

El 09/11/15 a las 10:18, Dani escribi?:

>That's a bit weird, isn't it? VK5HI reported telemetry at 6:25 UTC today:

> http://amsat.org/tlm/ao85/201511082225427.txt

> I coincide in the opinion that the audio is clearer without DUV 
telemetry.

> 73,

> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
_____________________________________________________________________________


Hi all:

Now orbit #457 + 12 minutes

Double checked. No telemetry at all neither in this pass. EA1JM confirms
the same.Satellite was busy and several stations were making QSOs.

At least from my side, same comments and feelings as in my previous RXed
pass: Nothing have changed regarding the uplink issues and downlink
quality looks to be better (Both audio and signal strength) than when in
the normal modes.

Question: I understood that the uplink dificulties were related to some
issues regarding 67Hz reception on the sat. If the COR mode doesnt
handle 67Hz at all and is an "Open Squelch" mode... Should not "life be
easier" to be repeated by the sat?.

73s
David EA4SG



From at746 at wanadoo.es  Mon Nov  9 10:06:40 2015
From: at746 at wanadoo.es (David)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:06:40 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
Message-ID: <56407030.2000700@wanadoo.es>

Hi all:

Just for information.

SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC

Location: IN80CP.

Max. elevation during the pass: 7?

RXing with 9 element yagi + mast preamp, horizontal polarization.

No telemetry heard.
No beacon heard.
Is sat still on COR mode?
Usual dificulties to be repeated by the sat.
Usual fading.
But clear audio (My feeling that much clearer than when the sat is in 
the standard modes)
Very good signal strength (Same feeling... Is this COR mode providing 
more power than in the standard modes?)

Best 73s
David EA4SG

From at746david at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:46:25 2015
From: at746david at gmail.com (David)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 12:46:25 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
Message-ID: <56408791.5070506@gmail.com>

El 09/11/15 a las 10:10, David escribi?:

 >> SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC
 >> No telemetry heard.
 >> No beacon heard.
 >> Is sat still on COR mode?

 > El 09/11/15 a las 10:18, Dani escribi?:

 >That's a bit weird, isn't it? VK5HI reported telemetry at 6:25 UTC today:

 > http://amsat.org/tlm/ao85/201511082225427.txt

 > I coincide in the opinion that the audio is clearer without DUV 
telemetry.

 > 73,

 > Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

Hi all:

Now orbit #457 + 12 minutes

Double checked. No telemetry at all neither in this pass. EA1JM confirms 
the same.Satellite was busy and several stations were making QSOs.

At least from my side, same comments and feelings as in my previous RXed 
pass: Nothing have changed regarding the uplink issues and downlink 
quality looks to be better (Both audio and signal strength) than when in 
the normal modes.

Question: I understood that the uplink dificulties were related to some 
issues regarding 67Hz reception on the sat. If the COR mode doesnt 
handle 67Hz at all and is an "Open Squelch" mode... Should not "life be 
easier" to be repeated by the sat?.

73s
David EA4SG  


From daniel at destevez.net  Mon Nov  9 12:25:23 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:25:23 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report II
In-Reply-To: <5640893A.9040306@gmail.com>
References: <5640893A.9040306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564090B3.9030107@destevez.net>

El 09/11/15 a las 11:53, David escribi?:

> Question: I understood that the uplink dificulties were related to some
> issues regarding 67Hz reception on the sat. If the COR mode doesnt
> handle 67Hz at all and is an "Open Squelch" mode... Should not "life be
> easier" to be repeated by the sat?.

Hi David,

When 67Hz detection is active, the satellite keeps the squelch open for
a minute after it loses the 67Hz tone. In my experience, usually the
satellite will keep its squelch open throughout all the pass or most of
the pass. The satellite will keep the squelch open even if 67Hz tone
detection keeps dropping all the time, as long as it detects the tone
for a couple of seconds often enough.

It seems that the problem is not that the sat doesn't open the squelch.
The squelch is opened but the satellite transmits only noise or a signal
which is too difficult to copy, because the satellite didn't hear the
uplink signal so well, but it's repeating it anyway.

That goes as far as I understand. Perhaps people in the Fox team will be
able to confirm or comment on this.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From cjhurst at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov  9 12:28:00 2015
From: cjhurst at bigpond.net.au (Colin Hurst)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:58:00 +1030
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
In-Reply-To: <564072E6.2000903@destevez.net>
References: <56407109.7090900@gmail.com> <564072E6.2000903@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <005f01d11aea$12fc7760$38f56620$@net.au>

Just to clear up any confusion about why I uploaded telemetry at 0625utc.
AO-85 and AO-73 are currently passing over VK at similar times.
My prime focus is the capture of AO-73 telemetry.
I had a reasonable capture of AO-85 off the back of my beam on my IQ file.
So I replayed two passes around 0625utc, for a total of 35 frames of
telemetry.
73
Colin VK5HI

-----Original Message-----
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Est?vez
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2015 20:48
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report

El 09/11/15 a las 10:10, David escribi?:

> SWL report of AO-85 during its orbit #456 + 11mins at 09:39 UTC No 
> telemetry heard.
> No beacon heard.
> Is sat still on COR mode?

That's a bit weird, isn't it? VK5HI reported telemetry at 6:25 UTC today:

http://amsat.org/tlm/ao85/201511082225427.txt

I coincide in the opinion that the audio is clearer without DUV telemetry.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
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From daniel at destevez.net  Mon Nov  9 12:38:53 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:38:53 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL report
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References: <56407109.7090900@gmail.com> <564072E6.2000903@destevez.net>
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El 09/11/15 a las 12:28, Colin Hurst escribi?:
> Just to clear up any confusion about why I uploaded telemetry at 0625utc.
> AO-85 and AO-73 are currently passing over VK at similar times.
> My prime focus is the capture of AO-73 telemetry.
> I had a reasonable capture of AO-85 off the back of my beam on my IQ file.
> So I replayed two passes around 0625utc, for a total of 35 frames of
> telemetry.
> 73
> Colin VK5HI

Oh, I assumed that the timestamps on the telemetry where the timestamps
when the packet was actually transmitted by the satellite, not when it
was eventually decoded and uploaded.

Is there any way of knowing when the satellite transmitted the packet?
It seems that one could perhaps use the satellite uptime and number of
resets.

Then it seems that the last telemetry uploaded realtime was at Sun, 08
Nov 2015 23:30:36 UTC by VK5KJP (uptime=22007).

http://amsat.org/tlm/ao85/201511082121989.txt

Your telemetry has uptime=22211, so it was transmitted by the satellite
some minutes later.

The passes
*Monday November 9, 00:05 through 00:25 UTC*
*Monday November 9, 01:45 through 02:10 UTC*
over NA were when presumably the IHU was to be turned on again, so I'm
not so sure what happened.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.




From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Nov  9 14:39:16 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:39:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using DopplerPSK?
In-Reply-To: <56401122.9010406@denstarfarm.us>
References: <563FF030.9070607@denstarfarm.us> <5640068A.1040803@verizon.net>
	<56401122.9010406@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <2b08c0221496ed499b8a51acc7729fd2@mail.gmail.com>

My guess is that 28.1215 should put you close to the center of the
passband.  And remember, you can just keep the key down throughout the
pass... it is full duplex and so you can see if you are colliding with
someone in the display.

Though listen first on 10 meters, since we are using the same common
frequency band as terrestrial users.
BOb

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using
DopplerPSK?
I tried about every 100hz from 118 to 121 and never broke the squelch.
Using 90 watts.

From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Nov  9 14:54:47 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:54:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <563FE0D4.5020503@vt.edu>
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	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
	<563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org> <563FD2A4.9050200@vt.edu>
	<CALdCfN+cyT1Cj_KYyeXisB_Hds5runD6fOoRfkLuohdfSC+u6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FE0D4.5020503@vt.edu>
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No, I?m all talk and no do? compared to whiz kids and Matlab?  Im old
fashioned enough to just plot it on graph paper and LOOK for the middle hi
hi?



*From:* Zach Leffke [mailto:zleffke at vt.edu]
*Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2015 6:55 PM
*To:* Robert Bruninga
*Cc:* amsat bb
*Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?



Good point Bob.  I haven't fully worked through the problem yet, but thats
pretty much right in line with what I'm thinking.  Thats what I meant by
saying watching the 'rate of change of doppler.'  When the slope of the
doppler s-curve is at a maximum, that should be the point of closest
approach.

Actually, that brings up a question.  Do you know what type of equation
would fit the doppler S-Curve profile?  something that could be used to
generate a regression equation from a few doppler observations?

-Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/08/2015 06:12 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:

Zach

You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq
during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the "S",
you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of approach.
That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another one, and so on...

bob



On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:

well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.

But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
audience is a bit younger.

Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
location are.

Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
taxi).

-Zach, KJ4QLP

On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:

I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
broadcast based on their choice of crude words.

73
Clayton
W5PFG

On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:

So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.

-Zach, KJ4QLP

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From twdeckard at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  9 02:28:05 2015
From: twdeckard at earthlink.net (Todd W. Deckard)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 20:28:05 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 10, Issue 346
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It's not uncommon to hear Brazilian pirates on FLTSAT and UFO military satcom frequencies.   I wonder if the recent crackdowns have pushed them to the OSCARS.   

Sent from my iPhone

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> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that 
> happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work 
> with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to 
> them.
> 
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your 
> audience is a bit younger.
> 
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've 
> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've 
> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters 
> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler 
> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that 
> out.  We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to 
> determine what the center frequency is as the signal enters the 
> transponder uplink receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, 
> because we don't know where the emitter is and we don't know what exact 
> center frequency they are on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 
> 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work 
> through it though, and with enough observations and by watching the rate 
> of change of the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated guess 
> on what their center freq and location are.
> 
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could 
> get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in 
> fact a taxi).
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group 
>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a 
>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>> 
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>> 
>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>> 
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Fun and interesting!  AO85 and AO73 have been coinciding frequently of
> late, but they are not compatible.
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>> Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
>> transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
>> you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Paul, N8HM
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:10:48 -0500
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> Zach
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
>> to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
>> Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>> 
>> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
>> audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
>> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
>> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
>> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
>> We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
>> what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
>> receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
>> where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>> on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
>> unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
>> enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
>> bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
>> location are.
>> 
>> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
>> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
>> taxi).
>> 
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:12:35 -0500
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> Zach
> You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq
> during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the "S",
> you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of approach.
> That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another one, and so on...
> 
> bob
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
>> to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
>> Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>> 
>> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
>> audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
>> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
>> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
>> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
>> We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
>> what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
>> receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
>> where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>> on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
>> unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
>> enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
>> bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
>> location are.
>> 
>> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
>> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
>> taxi).
>> 
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:30:33 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> 
> Sweet, second cross link signal to look into!  I missed that, you got 
> the gears turning.......
> 
> So lets see....  145.900MHz to 146.000MHz for FO-29 passband.
> 
> A quick look through JE9PEL satlist reveals these downlinks:
> 
> AO73 tlm bcn, 145.935 MHz
> AO73 transponder, 145.970-145.950 MHz
> AO85, 145.978 MHz
> First-MOVE cubesat (NORAD ID 39439), 145.970MHz
> DUCHIFAT, 145.980 MHz
> QB50p1/FUNcube3 (EO-79) transponder, 145.970-145.945 MHz
> VELOX-I, 145.980 MHz
> UKube-1/FUNcube-2, 145.915 MHz
> DeorbitSail, 145.975 MHz
> CAS-3E (XW-2E) transponder, 145.935-145.915 MHz
> CAS-3F (XW-2F) transponder, 146.000-146.980 MHz
> Fox-1B, 145.960 MHz
> Fox-1C, 145.920 MHz
> 
> I guess its not that surprising when FO-29 has half of the 2m Satellite 
> Service allocation for its uplink.  Next thing to do is figure out which 
> ones are the most likely to be successful based on power levels, 
> modulation schemes, transmission rate, which ones are using Forward 
> Error Correction, etc.  And then look at the orbits for possible chain 
> events.
> 
> fun stuff!
> 
> Does anyone know the uplink receiver sensitivity and antenna gain/design 
> on FO-29?
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 05:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>> Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
>> transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
>> you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Paul, N8HM
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:34:43 -0600
> From: "Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF" <kf5yxv at gmail.com>
> To: "'Zach Leffke'" <zleffke at vt.edu>,    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> Hi Zach and group
> 
> I think, the main problem is they are not always the same stations. I have
> heard several different stations in terrestrial QSOs QRMing  FO-29; majority
> of them speaking Spanish and without any kind of ID. I have not heard them
> recently, though.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Hector, CO6CBF/W5CBF
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] En nombre de Zach Leffke
> Enviado el: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:54 PM
> Para: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> 
> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened to
> be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and Bob,
> so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
> 
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
> audience is a bit younger.
> 
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've monitored
> FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've been toying
> with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters actually are
> located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler between the
> receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the
> transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine what the
> center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.
> What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
> emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are on (but I
> bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm
> betting there's a way to work through it though, and with enough
> observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I bet
> there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
> location are.
> 
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
> taxi).
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group 
>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a 
>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>> 
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>> 
>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on 
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was 
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was 
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes 
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>> 
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:40:48 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF <kf5yxv at gmail.com>, amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <563FDD80.1010702 at vt.edu>
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> 
> That makes sense Hector.  I've seen the FM activity kind of all over the 
> transponder. More so than I would expect if it was the same transmitter 
> each time on the same frequency and the different pass geometries 
> causing a bit of swing due to doppler.
> 
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 06:34 PM, Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF wrote:
>> Hi Zach and group
>> 
>> I think, the main problem is they are not always the same stations. I have
>> heard several different stations in terrestrial QSOs QRMing  FO-29; majority
>> of them speaking Spanish and without any kind of ID. I have not heard them
>> recently, though.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> Hector, CO6CBF/W5CBF
>> 
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] En nombre de Zach Leffke
>> Enviado el: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:54 PM
>> Para: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
>> 
>> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened to
>> be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and Bob,
>> so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>> 
>> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
>> audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've monitored
>> FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've been toying
>> with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters actually are
>> located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler between the
>> receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the
>> transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine what the
>> center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.
>> What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
>> emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are on (but I
>> bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm
>> betting there's a way to work through it though, and with enough
>> observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I bet
>> there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
>> location are.
>> 
>> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
>> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
>> taxi).
>> 
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group
>>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a
>>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:55:00 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <563FE0D4.5020503 at vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Good point Bob.  I haven't fully worked through the problem yet, but 
> thats pretty much right in line with what I'm thinking.  Thats what I 
> meant by saying watching the 'rate of change of doppler.'  When the 
> slope of the doppler s-curve is at a maximum, that should be the point 
> of closest approach.
> 
> Actually, that brings up a question.  Do you know what type of equation 
> would fit the doppler S-Curve profile?  something that could be used to 
> generate a regression equation from a few doppler observations?
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 06:12 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> Zach
>> You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq 
>> during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the 
>> "S", you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of 
>> approach.  That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another 
>> one, and so on...
>> 
>> bob
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu 
>> <mailto:zleffke at vt.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>>    well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that
>>    happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They
>>    work with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't
>>    uncommon to them.
>> 
>>    But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if
>>    your audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>>    Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>>    monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that
>>    I've been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the
>>    source emitters actually are located based on doppler shift data. 
>>    We know the doppler between the receiving ground station and
>>    FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the transponder mapping,
>>    so we can work through that to determine what the center frequency
>>    is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.  What we
>>    don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
>>    emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>>    on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have
>>    two unknowns. I'm betting there's a way to work through it though,
>>    and with enough observations and by watching the rate of change of
>>    the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what
>>    their center freq and location are.
>> 
>>    Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we
>>    could get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to
>>    (if it is in fact a taxi).
>> 
>>    -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>    On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> 
>>        I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a
>>        group of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most
>>        likely NOT a religious broadcast based on their choice of
>>        crude words.
>> 
>>        73
>>        Clayton
>>        W5PFG
>> 
>>        On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>> 
>>            So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM
>>            activity on
>>            FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass,
>>            which was
>>            ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America
>>            QRM theory.
>>            Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the
>>            satellite was
>>            over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over
>>            higher latitudes
>>            towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>> 
>>            -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
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> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:21:57 +1000
> From: VK4NBL <vk4nbl at bigpond.com>
> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29
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> 
> With regards to FM signals on FO-29, we can also here them here in 
> Australia.
> This is most noticeable when the Sat is travelling South to North.
> When it gets above Northern Queensland all we can hear is Indonesian fishing 
> boats on the 2m uplink.
> It does suck the power from the Sat and usually ends some very good QSO's 
> long before LOS.
> 
> 73
> Peter
> vk4nbl 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:30:59 -0800
> From: "Ted" <k7trkradio at charter.net>
> To: "'Stefan Wagener'" <wageners at gmail.com>, "'AMSAT BB'"
>    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information
>    -online-
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> Good stuff, Stefan...tnx!
> 73, K7trk
> 
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> Wagener
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 6:12 AM
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> Subject: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information -online-
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Some of the most comprehensive and very frequently updated sources of
> amateur radio satellite information can be found here:
> 
> 1. From Mineo Wakita, JE9PEL
> 
> http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm
> 
> 2. From Mike Rupprecht, DK3WN
> 
> http://www.dk3wn.info/satellites.shtml
> 
> Bookmarked on my Mac for immediate access :-)
> 
> Stefan, VE4NSA
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> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:46:38 -0500
> From: jeffory broughton <jefforybroughton at gmail.com>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Fm activity on FO29
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> A couple weeks ago . fo29 made a pass over canada.I am in michigan and I
> was barely in the footprint when I clearly heard two guys loading trucks on
> the upper end of the transponder .it almost had to be coming from canada.
> 
> jeff broughton
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From twdeckard at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  9 11:59:25 2015
From: twdeckard at earthlink.net (Todd W. Deckard)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 05:59:25 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29
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It's not uncommon to hear Brazilian pirates on FLTSAT and UFO military satcom frequencies.   I wonder if the recent crackdowns have pushed them to the OSCARS.   

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>   1. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Zach Leffke)
>   2. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Burns Fisher)
>   3. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Robert Bruninga)
>   4. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Robert Bruninga)
>   5. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Zach Leffke)
>   6. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF)
>   7. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Zach Leffke)
>   8. Re: FM signal on FO-29? (Zach Leffke)
>   9. Re: FM signal on FO-29 (VK4NBL)
>  10. Re: Frequency chart and satellite information -online- (Ted)
>  11. Fm activity on FO29 (jeffory broughton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:54:28 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <563FD2A4.9050200 at vt.edu>
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> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that 
> happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work 
> with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to 
> them.
> 
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your 
> audience is a bit younger.
> 
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've 
> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've 
> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters 
> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler 
> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that 
> out.  We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to 
> determine what the center frequency is as the signal enters the 
> transponder uplink receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, 
> because we don't know where the emitter is and we don't know what exact 
> center frequency they are on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 
> 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work 
> through it though, and with enough observations and by watching the rate 
> of change of the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated guess 
> on what their center freq and location are.
> 
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could 
> get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in 
> fact a taxi).
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group 
>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a 
>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>> 
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>> 
>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>> 
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:04:49 -0500
> From: Burns Fisher <burns at fisher.cc>
> To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
> Cc: Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org>, "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
>    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> Fun and interesting!  AO85 and AO73 have been coinciding frequently of
> late, but they are not compatible.
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>> Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
>> transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
>> you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Paul, N8HM
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:10:48 -0500
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> Zach
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
>> to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
>> Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>> 
>> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
>> audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
>> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
>> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
>> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
>> We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
>> what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
>> receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
>> where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>> on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
>> unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
>> enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
>> bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
>> location are.
>> 
>> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
>> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
>> taxi).
>> 
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:12:35 -0500
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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> Zach
> You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq
> during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the "S",
> you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of approach.
> That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another one, and so on...
> 
> bob
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened
>> to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and
>> Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>> 
>> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
>> audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>> monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've
>> been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters
>> actually are located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler
>> between the receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.
>> We know the transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine
>> what the center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink
>> receiver.  What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know
>> where the emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>> on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two
>> unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it though, and with
>> enough observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I
>> bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
>> location are.
>> 
>> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
>> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
>> taxi).
>> 
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:30:33 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <563FDB19.7070501 at vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Sweet, second cross link signal to look into!  I missed that, you got 
> the gears turning.......
> 
> So lets see....  145.900MHz to 146.000MHz for FO-29 passband.
> 
> A quick look through JE9PEL satlist reveals these downlinks:
> 
> AO73 tlm bcn, 145.935 MHz
> AO73 transponder, 145.970-145.950 MHz
> AO85, 145.978 MHz
> First-MOVE cubesat (NORAD ID 39439), 145.970MHz
> DUCHIFAT, 145.980 MHz
> QB50p1/FUNcube3 (EO-79) transponder, 145.970-145.945 MHz
> VELOX-I, 145.980 MHz
> UKube-1/FUNcube-2, 145.915 MHz
> DeorbitSail, 145.975 MHz
> CAS-3E (XW-2E) transponder, 145.935-145.915 MHz
> CAS-3F (XW-2F) transponder, 146.000-146.980 MHz
> Fox-1B, 145.960 MHz
> Fox-1C, 145.920 MHz
> 
> I guess its not that surprising when FO-29 has half of the 2m Satellite 
> Service allocation for its uplink.  Next thing to do is figure out which 
> ones are the most likely to be successful based on power levels, 
> modulation schemes, transmission rate, which ones are using Forward 
> Error Correction, etc.  And then look at the orbits for possible chain 
> events.
> 
> fun stuff!
> 
> Does anyone know the uplink receiver sensitivity and antenna gain/design 
> on FO-29?
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 05:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>> Speaking of FM signals on FO-29, you'll be able to hear the AO-85
>> transponder through FO-29 when their paths cross as well. I wonder if
>> you could get a high enough SNR to decode the DUV...
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Paul, N8HM
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group of
>>> children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a religious
>>> broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:34:43 -0600
> From: "Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF" <kf5yxv at gmail.com>
> To: "'Zach Leffke'" <zleffke at vt.edu>,    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <01dd01d11a7e$0d033310$27099930$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Zach and group
> 
> I think, the main problem is they are not always the same stations. I have
> heard several different stations in terrestrial QSOs QRMing  FO-29; majority
> of them speaking Spanish and without any kind of ID. I have not heard them
> recently, though.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Hector, CO6CBF/W5CBF
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] En nombre de Zach Leffke
> Enviado el: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:54 PM
> Para: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> 
> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened to
> be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and Bob,
> so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
> 
> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
> audience is a bit younger.
> 
> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've monitored
> FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've been toying
> with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters actually are
> located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler between the
> receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the
> transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine what the
> center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.
> What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
> emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are on (but I
> bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm
> betting there's a way to work through it though, and with enough
> observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I bet
> there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
> location are.
> 
> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
> taxi).
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group 
>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a 
>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>> 
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>> 
>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on 
>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was 
>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was 
>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes 
>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>> 
>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:40:48 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF <kf5yxv at gmail.com>, amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <563FDD80.1010702 at vt.edu>
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> 
> That makes sense Hector.  I've seen the FM activity kind of all over the 
> transponder. More so than I would expect if it was the same transmitter 
> each time on the same frequency and the different pass geometries 
> causing a bit of swing due to doppler.
> 
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 06:34 PM, Hector W5CBF/CO6CBF wrote:
>> Hi Zach and group
>> 
>> I think, the main problem is they are not always the same stations. I have
>> heard several different stations in terrestrial QSOs QRMing  FO-29; majority
>> of them speaking Spanish and without any kind of ID. I have not heard them
>> recently, though.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> Hector, CO6CBF/W5CBF
>> 
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] En nombre de Zach Leffke
>> Enviado el: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:54 PM
>> Para: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
>> 
>> well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that happened to
>> be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They work with me and Bob,
>> so a few crude words here and there aren't uncommon to them.
>> 
>> But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if your
>> audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>> Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've monitored
>> FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that I've been toying
>> with the idea of trying to locate where the source emitters actually are
>> located based on doppler shift data.  We know the doppler between the
>> receiving ground station and FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the
>> transponder mapping, so we can work through that to determine what the
>> center frequency is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.
>> What we don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
>> emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are on (but I
>> bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have two unknowns.  I'm
>> betting there's a way to work through it though, and with enough
>> observations and by watching the rate of change of the doppler, I bet
>> there's a way to make an educated guess on what their center freq and
>> location are.
>> 
>> Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we could get
>> lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to (if it is in fact a
>> taxi).
>> 
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>> On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>>> I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a group
>>> of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most likely NOT a
>>> religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Clayton
>>> W5PFG
>>> 
>>>> On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>>>> So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>>>> FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>>>> ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>>>> Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>>>> over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>>>> towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>>>> 
>>>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:55:00 -0500
> From: Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu>
> To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
> Message-ID: <563FE0D4.5020503 at vt.edu>
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> 
> Good point Bob.  I haven't fully worked through the problem yet, but 
> thats pretty much right in line with what I'm thinking.  Thats what I 
> meant by saying watching the 'rate of change of doppler.'  When the 
> slope of the doppler s-curve is at a maximum, that should be the point 
> of closest approach.
> 
> Actually, that brings up a question.  Do you know what type of equation 
> would fit the doppler S-Curve profile?  something that could be used to 
> generate a regression equation from a few doppler observations?
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
> 
>> On 11/08/2015 06:12 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> Zach
>> You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his freq 
>> during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have enough of the 
>> "S", you can know his center freq, and hence his closest point of 
>> approach.  That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe pass gives another 
>> one, and so on...
>> 
>> bob
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu 
>> <mailto:zleffke at vt.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>>    well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that
>>    happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They
>>    work with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't
>>    uncommon to them.
>> 
>>    But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if
>>    your audience is a bit younger.
>> 
>>    Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>>    monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that
>>    I've been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the
>>    source emitters actually are located based on doppler shift data. 
>>    We know the doppler between the receiving ground station and
>>    FO-29, so we can back that out.  We know the transponder mapping,
>>    so we can work through that to determine what the center frequency
>>    is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.  What we
>>    don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
>>    emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>>    on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have
>>    two unknowns. I'm betting there's a way to work through it though,
>>    and with enough observations and by watching the rate of change of
>>    the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated guess on what
>>    their center freq and location are.
>> 
>>    Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we
>>    could get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to
>>    (if it is in fact a taxi).
>> 
>>    -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
>>    On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>> 
>>        I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a
>>        group of children. Normally it's not English.  It's most
>>        likely NOT a religious broadcast based on their choice of
>>        crude words.
>> 
>>        73
>>        Clayton
>>        W5PFG
>> 
>>        On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>> 
>>            So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM
>>            activity on
>>            FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass,
>>            which was
>>            ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America
>>            QRM theory.
>>            Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the
>>            satellite was
>>            over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over
>>            higher latitudes
>>            towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>> 
>>            -Zach, KJ4QLP
>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:21:57 +1000
> From: VK4NBL <vk4nbl at bigpond.com>
> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29
> Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP20894C252E8F97C94778D4685150 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> 
> With regards to FM signals on FO-29, we can also here them here in 
> Australia.
> This is most noticeable when the Sat is travelling South to North.
> When it gets above Northern Queensland all we can hear is Indonesian fishing 
> boats on the 2m uplink.
> It does suck the power from the Sat and usually ends some very good QSO's 
> long before LOS.
> 
> 73
> Peter
> vk4nbl 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:30:59 -0800
> From: "Ted" <k7trkradio at charter.net>
> To: "'Stefan Wagener'" <wageners at gmail.com>, "'AMSAT BB'"
>    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information
>    -online-
> Message-ID: <000801d11a85$e8322cf0$b89686d0$@charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Good stuff, Stefan...tnx!
> 73, K7trk
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Stefan
> Wagener
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 6:12 AM
> To: AMSAT BB
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Frequency chart and satellite information -online-
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Some of the most comprehensive and very frequently updated sources of
> amateur radio satellite information can be found here:
> 
> 1. From Mineo Wakita, JE9PEL
> 
> http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm
> 
> 2. From Mike Rupprecht, DK3WN
> 
> http://www.dk3wn.info/satellites.shtml
> 
> Bookmarked on my Mac for immediate access :-)
> 
> Stefan, VE4NSA
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:46:38 -0500
> From: jeffory broughton <jefforybroughton at gmail.com>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Fm activity on FO29
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> 
> A couple weeks ago . fo29 made a pass over canada.I am in michigan and I
> was barely in the footprint when I clearly heard two guys loading trucks on
> the upper end of the transponder .it almost had to be coming from canada.
> 
> jeff broughton
> 
> 
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From zleffke at vt.edu  Mon Nov  9 17:59:31 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:59:31 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
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No worries, I thought on it a bit more and I think a cubic polynomial is 
the right fit.  I also found some python tools for regression 
calculations that I think will be useful for this.  Also, I think this 
is pretty similar to how the COSPAS/SARSAT system used to locate lost 
ships (EPIRBs) and downed Aircraft (ELTs) before the proliferation of 
GPS and its inclusion in the locator beacons.

Concerning the lines of bearing.  I'm still churning this one in my 
head, but I think basically point of closest approach will give us a 
line that is perpendicular to the ground track at that point.  That 
should be the moment when range rate and thus doppler hits zero. Like 
you said take enough measurements over enough orbits and see where the 
lines begin to cross.  I know there are some more algorithms for this, 
like Brown's Least Squares Triangulation Algorithm.

The work flow that's forming in my head is as follows:
1.  Measure the signal doppler shift.
2.  Work backwards through the transponder to get the uplink doppler as 
it enters the receiver (to remove doppler between measuring G/S and FO-29).
3.  use regression to get the cubic polynomial S-curve of doppler.
4.  Find the inflection point in the S-Curve (the zero crossing) that 
gives the instant in time for PCA.
5.  Go back to SGPs+TLEs to determine subsatellite point and ground 
track at that instant.  Which gives us the line of bearing for that orbit.
6.  Repeat 1 - 5 over multiple orbits to get multiple lines of bearing.
7.  Use triangulation algorithms to determine the likely lat/long of the 
emitter as well as the confidence interval (Error elliptical probable).

Things that kill this plan are multiple emitters on different 
frequencies.  If its a taxi then the emitter is moving around which will 
dilute precision in the position estimate.  Frequency drifts in the 
emitter and spacecraft can introduce errors.  Stale TLEs will cause more 
errors.

A stretch goal might be to turn this into a Master's Level research 
topic for a graduate student, especially when trying to characterize all 
the sources of error and how that impacts the final estimate. If we 
could develop a working tool that AMSAT could use to locate illegal 
emitters, maybe that could provide a body of evidence that could be 
taken to say the IARU, to then maybe put pressure on the host countries 
to crack down on illegal use of the Amateur bands (likely a pipe dream 
to see actual political movement though, or see any real reduction in 
the QRM, but one can hope!).

Fun Stuff!

-Zach, KJ4QLP

Research Associate
Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Work Phone: 540-231-4174
Cell Phone: 540-808-6305

On 11/9/2015 9:54 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>
> No, I?m all talk and no do? compared to whiz kids and Matlab? Im old 
> fashioned enough to just plot it on graph paper and LOOK for the 
> middle hi hi?
>
> *From:*Zach Leffke [mailto:zleffke at vt.edu <mailto:zleffke at vt.edu>]
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2015 6:55 PM
> *To:* Robert Bruninga
> *Cc:* amsat bb
> *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
>
> Good point Bob.  I haven't fully worked through the problem yet, but 
> thats pretty much right in line with what I'm thinking.  Thats what I 
> meant by saying watching the 'rate of change of doppler.'  When the 
> slope of the doppler s-curve is at a maximum, that should be the point 
> of closest approach.
>
> Actually, that brings up a question.  Do you know what type of 
> equation would fit the doppler S-Curve profile?  something that could 
> be used to generate a regression equation from a few doppler observations?
>
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
> On 11/08/2015 06:12 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>
>     Zach
>
>     You dont need to know the senders exact freq, just a plot of his
>     freq during the pass will form an "S" curve and once you have
>     enough of the "S", you can know his center freq, and hence his
>     closest point of approach.  That gives a line of bearing.  Anothe
>     pass gives another one, and so on...
>
>     bob
>
>     On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Zach Leffke <zleffke at vt.edu
>     <mailto:zleffke at vt.edu>> wrote:
>
>     well.. when I say students, I meant graduate students at VT that
>     happened to be in the lab when I was doing the experiment.  They
>     work with me and Bob, so a few crude words here and there aren't
>     uncommon to them.
>
>     But good point, probably not the best thing for a public demo if
>     your audience is a bit younger.
>
>     Actually, I've seen so much FM activity (basically every time I've
>     monitored FO-29 since we first came online in late september) that
>     I've been toying with the idea of trying to locate where the
>     source emitters actually are located based on doppler shift data. 
>     We know the doppler between the receiving ground station and
>     FO-29, so we can back that out. We know the transponder mapping,
>     so we can work through that to determine what the center frequency
>     is as the signal enters the transponder uplink receiver.  What we
>     don't know is the uplink doppler, because we don't know where the
>     emitter is and we don't know what exact center frequency they are
>     on (but I bet you its in 5kHz steps, maybe 2.5kHz).  So we have
>     two unknowns.  I'm betting there's a way to work through it
>     though, and with enough observations and by watching the rate of
>     change of the doppler, I bet there's a way to make an educated
>     guess on what their center freq and location are.
>
>     Or if someone listening knows Spanish and/or Portugese, maybe we
>     could get lucky and hear what cross streets the taxi is going to
>     (if it is in fact a taxi).
>
>     -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
>     On 11/08/2015 05:30 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
>
>     I wouldn't recommend playing the FM audio heard via FO-29 to a
>     group of children. Normally it's not English. It's most likely NOT
>     a religious broadcast based on their choice of crude words.
>
>     73
>     Clayton
>     W5PFG
>
>     On 11/8/2015 16:13, Zach Leffke wrote:
>
>     So yes, in the last couple weeks I've seen a LOT of FM activity on
>     FO-29.  And based on my experience with Friday's pass, which was
>     ascending, I'm leading towards the Central/South America QRM theory.
>     Lots of strong FM activity as the pass started and the satellite was
>     over the lower latitudes, but as FO-29 ascended over higher latitudes
>     towards the north pole, the FM activity died down.
>
>     -Zach, KJ4QLP
>
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 18:35:40 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 13:35:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-09 19:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <9faf4.3fd9b077.4372417b@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-09  19:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

BORG Monsbergergasse, Graz, Austria, direct via  OE?ARISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS
The  scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact was successful: Mon  2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC 49 deg (***)

Ste. Genevieve du Bois  Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?KBA
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS
The contact is a go for: Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC 55  deg

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**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

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ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

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Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

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Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
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ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

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The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-09 19:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1007.  (***)
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 972.  (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-09 19:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
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Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

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73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From alancresswell at xtra.co.nz  Mon Nov  9 19:16:42 2015
From: alancresswell at xtra.co.nz (alancresswell at xtra.co.nz)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:42 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
In-Reply-To: <563E7ED0.7040405@amsat.org>
References: <563E7ED0.7040405@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <5E2C7101606047E89E91998406543C94@SATELLITE2>

AO-85 Orbit 461
No telemetry, No tone required for access.  Excellent signal from the 
transponder on the 1855 UT 15 deg pass over ZL this morning.

Alan
ZL2BX 


From daniel at destevez.net  Mon Nov  9 20:29:12 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 20:29:12 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <5640DF03.4080901@vt.edu>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
	<563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org> <563FD2A4.9050200@vt.edu>
	<CALdCfN+cyT1Cj_KYyeXisB_Hds5runD6fOoRfkLuohdfSC+u6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FE0D4.5020503@vt.edu>
	<28ea6a6fb659e1da965c57174c0b56d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5640DF03.4080901@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <56410218.2060105@destevez.net>

Dear Bob and Zach,

This paper might be worth looking at:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/409103.pdf

As far as I know, it started the whole business of location by
measurement of Doppler shift.

Apparently, according to the success of project Transit, it is possible to:

a) Compute the TLEs of a satellite by using just a few minutes of the
Doppler curve of the beacon of a satellite, as received on a ground
station with known location.

b) Compute the location of a ground station, by using just a few minutes
of the Doppler curve of the beacon of a satellite with known TLEs, as
received on said ground station.

Of course, several variation on this are possible, such as the one which
is discussed here:

Compute the location of a ground station by using the Doppler curve of
its transmissions during a pass, as received on a satellite with known TLEs.

It seems that the key point in all this is that the Doopler curve
depends independently on all the parameters in question (so not a cubic
polynomial, which depends on fewer parameters).

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

El 09/11/15 a las 17:59, Zach Leffke escribi?:
> No worries, I thought on it a bit more and I think a cubic polynomial is
> the right fit.  I also found some python tools for regression
> calculations that I think will be useful for this.  Also, I think this
> is pretty similar to how the COSPAS/SARSAT system used to locate lost
> ships (EPIRBs) and downed Aircraft (ELTs) before the proliferation of
> GPS and its inclusion in the locator beacons.


From marklhammond at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 20:32:06 2015
From: marklhammond at gmail.com (Mark L. Hammond)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:32:06 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
Message-ID: <CAPRXzyr=cHUk1BaTCjBvrj--F_QU4R5nCkoM2HBUxN+j0xkjFA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the report, Alan.  The Command Team really appreciates reports
like this during our testing....keep the reports coming!


73,

Mark N8MH




_____________
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:42 -0000
From: <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
Message-ID: <5E2C7101606047E89E91998406543C94 at SATELLITE2>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
        reply-type=original

AO-85 Orbit 461
No telemetry, No tone required for access.  Excellent signal from the
transponder on the 1855 UT 15 deg pass over ZL this morning.

Alan
ZL2BX

From wouterweg at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 21:03:33 2015
From: wouterweg at gmail.com (Wouter Weggelaar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:03:33 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] EO-79 Update
Message-ID: <CAKXf1rG4wHxaOEQz+DHEFUUkW+texUzJ0FEvwO8YAS3VexL5Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

With this message I would like to inform you of the status and plans for
QB50p1 - EO-79.
Earlier testing campaigns indicate that the AMSAT-UK/AMSAT-NL transponder
on board of this spacecraft is in good health. We have activated the
transponder on various occasions for testing purposes.

At the moment we believe the power system is capable of sustaining
transponder operations indefinitely. ISIS (the satellite designer and
operator) still needs to write and apply a software patch that would keep
the transponder running. The current logic in the satellite will switch off
the transponder if a reset occurs of the On Board Computer or power system.

Efforts are being made to allow usage of the transponder in the mean time
and also allow select command stations to take the satellite out of safe
mode if it does reset.
ISIS will continue to monitor all telemetry and the satellites health.

The precursor satellites have gathered valuable data about the sensor
payloads, and the lessons learnt are being implemented in the flight units
for the QB50 main mission.

We will still have to wait until procedures are in place and the activation
is cleared by the operator and owners of the satellite, but we are nearly
ready for the activation of another transponder!

Transponder activations will be announced on this BB.

On behalf of AMSAT-NL and the ISIS operations team I would like to thank
the community for supporting our mission and thank you for your patience.

73s,

Wouter Weggelaar
PA3WEG
AMSAT-NL

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 21:09:25 2015
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:09:25 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
References: <CAPRXzyr=cHUk1BaTCjBvrj--F_QU4R5nCkoM2HBUxN+j0xkjFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40C1DA1EC8994538B11A3F046DD846E2@OPT755>

Likewise, on the 1611 UTC pass up the East Coast USA this morning I was not able to decode any telemetry (even on replay of recording) but there were numerous, virtually non-stop voice contacts and the audio was extremely clear and crisp.

Sure do appreciate all the work!

-Scott, K4KDR
Montpelier, VA  USA


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark L. Hammond 
  To: Amsat - BBs 
  Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 15:32
  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9


  Thanks for the report, Alan.  The Command Team really appreciates reports
  like this during our testing....keep the reports coming!


  73,

  Mark N8MH




  _____________
  Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:42 -0000
  From: <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz>
  To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
  Message-ID: <5E2C7101606047E89E91998406543C94 at SATELLITE2>
  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
          reply-type=original

  AO-85 Orbit 461
  No telemetry, No tone required for access.  Excellent signal from the
  transponder on the 1855 UT 15 deg pass over ZL this morning.

  Alan
  ZL2BX
  _______________________________________________
  Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
  to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
  are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
  Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From alancresswell at xtra.co.nz  Mon Nov  9 21:12:39 2015
From: alancresswell at xtra.co.nz (alancresswell at xtra.co.nz)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:12:39 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
In-Reply-To: <CAPRXzyr=cHUk1BaTCjBvrj--F_QU4R5nCkoM2HBUxN+j0xkjFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPRXzyr=cHUk1BaTCjBvrj--F_QU4R5nCkoM2HBUxN+j0xkjFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAE447381723496E97EBA70A90167351@SATELLITE2>

Hi Mark,

Well another pass to report.  09-11-15 at AOS 2035, 58 Deg El.
As before , No telemetry, no tone required, solid response from transponder.
Uplink 2.5w to nominal 15db yagi.
Up FMN, down FMN.
Downlink crossed 10 el Yagi.
Downlink signal  pushing my TS-2000 to full scale - S9 + 60db for most of 
the pass.

Hope that helps.
73  Alan
ZL2BX


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark L. Hammond
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 8:32 PM
To: Amsat - BBs
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9

Thanks for the report, Alan.  The Command Team really appreciates reports
like this during our testing....keep the reports coming!


73,

Mark N8MH




_____________
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:42 -0000
From: <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
Message-ID: <5E2C7101606047E89E91998406543C94 at SATELLITE2>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
        reply-type=original

AO-85 Orbit 461
No telemetry, No tone required for access.  Excellent signal from the
transponder on the 1855 UT 15 deg pass over ZL this morning.

Alan
ZL2BX
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions 
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of 
AMSAT-NA.
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Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb 


From zleffke at vt.edu  Mon Nov  9 21:20:01 2015
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:20:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM signal on FO-29?
In-Reply-To: <56410218.2060105@destevez.net>
References: <CAJckjgPZR0JFR=Tom7VBCS4P6JEqF0tBBAqg10hcAfhtP5TfSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FAFC1.4030700@verizon.net> <563FC907.5060702@vt.edu>
	<563FCD1C.7020806@amsat.org> <563FD2A4.9050200@vt.edu>
	<CALdCfN+cyT1Cj_KYyeXisB_Hds5runD6fOoRfkLuohdfSC+u6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<563FE0D4.5020503@vt.edu>
	<28ea6a6fb659e1da965c57174c0b56d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5640DF03.4080901@vt.edu> <56410218.2060105@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <56410E01.80209@vt.edu>

Hi Daniel,
     Thanks for the info.  I'll look into it more when I get a free 
moment.  And for the cubic thing, I just meant that it appears that the 
doppler S-curve looks like a third order polynomial over the course of a 
full pass.  After a quick google search, the first image at this link is 
what I mean (in this case envision time along the y axis and doppler 
offset along the x axis).

http://www.biology.arizona.edu/biomath/tutorials/polynomial/graphingpolynomials.html

But I haven't looked into this fully yet, and it sounds like you might 
be saying that its not that simple.  I was just looking into regression 
equations for the purposes of curve fitting from a number of discrete 
doppler offset observations.  At a quick glance, the cubic polynomial 
seemed like the right 'shape' for the regression.

I think what you might be warning about is that, in doing so, because 
there are a large number of parameters that go into the generation of 
the doppler (and its s-curve), that we might be losing necessary 
fidelity in the data by assuming a cubic polynomial? Honestly this all 
kind of new territory for me, so any and all advice is welcome.

Thanks again for the info, much appreciated.

-Zach, KJ4QLP

Research Associate
Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Work Phone: 540-231-4174
Cell Phone: 540-808-6305

On 11/9/2015 3:29 PM, Daniel Est?vez wrote:
> Dear Bob and Zach,
>
> This paper might be worth looking at:
> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/409103.pdf
>
> As far as I know, it started the whole business of location by
> measurement of Doppler shift.
>
> Apparently, according to the success of project Transit, it is possible to:
>
> a) Compute the TLEs of a satellite by using just a few minutes of the
> Doppler curve of the beacon of a satellite, as received on a ground
> station with known location.
>
> b) Compute the location of a ground station, by using just a few minutes
> of the Doppler curve of the beacon of a satellite with known TLEs, as
> received on said ground station.
>
> Of course, several variation on this are possible, such as the one which
> is discussed here:
>
> Compute the location of a ground station by using the Doppler curve of
> its transmissions during a pass, as received on a satellite with known TLEs.
>
> It seems that the key point in all this is that the Doopler curve
> depends independently on all the parameters in question (so not a cubic
> polynomial, which depends on fewer parameters).
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
>
> El 09/11/15 a las 17:59, Zach Leffke escribi?:
>> No worries, I thought on it a bit more and I think a cubic polynomial is
>> the right fit.  I also found some python tools for regression
>> calculations that I think will be useful for this.  Also, I think this
>> is pretty similar to how the COSPAS/SARSAT system used to locate lost
>> ships (EPIRBs) and downed Aircraft (ELTs) before the proliferation of
>> GPS and its inclusion in the locator beacons.


From marklhammond at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 21:37:34 2015
From: marklhammond at gmail.com (Mark L. Hammond)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:37:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
In-Reply-To: <DAE447381723496E97EBA70A90167351@SATELLITE2>
References: <CAPRXzyr=cHUk1BaTCjBvrj--F_QU4R5nCkoM2HBUxN+j0xkjFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DAE447381723496E97EBA70A90167351@SATELLITE2>
Message-ID: <CAPRXzypH9zSq1_nPtd15n5UzqkaK=D9RawGMc2xTgMk+G157wA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Alan.  I wish I could report good successes with 2.5W.   I'm still
trying to find the right combinations...orientation/attitude of the bird
surely fits into the picture.

You have a 2M preamp I suppose?

Mark N8MH

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:12 PM, <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Well another pass to report.  09-11-15 at AOS 2035, 58 Deg El.
> As before , No telemetry, no tone required, solid response from
> transponder.
> Uplink 2.5w to nominal 15db yagi.
> Up FMN, down FMN.
> Downlink crossed 10 el Yagi.
> Downlink signal  pushing my TS-2000 to full scale - S9 + 60db for most of
> the pass.
>
> Hope that helps.
> 73  Alan
> ZL2BX
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mark L. Hammond
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 8:32 PM
> To: Amsat - BBs
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
>
> Thanks for the report, Alan.  The Command Team really appreciates reports
> like this during our testing....keep the reports coming!
>
>
> 73,
>
> Mark N8MH
>
>
>
>
> _____________
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:42 -0000
> From: <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz>
> To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
> Message-ID: <5E2C7101606047E89E91998406543C94 at SATELLITE2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>        reply-type=original
>
> AO-85 Orbit 461
> No telemetry, No tone required for access.  Excellent signal from the
> transponder on the 1855 UT 15 deg pass over ZL this morning.
>
> Alan
> ZL2BX
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



-- 
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]

From w7lrd at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 21:44:22 2015
From: w7lrd at comcast.net (Bob- W7LRD)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:44:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29  FM
Message-ID: <658790390.858812.1447105462034.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

This last pass I copied a non-ham FM signal starting at 435.897. Talking about a tractor and construction of "something". Went LOS after only the West coast was in the foot print. How do we find these clowns? 
73 Bob W7LRD 

From w7lrd at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 21:49:56 2015
From: w7lrd at comcast.net (Bob- W7LRD)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:49:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29  FM
In-Reply-To: <658790390.858812.1447105462034.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <658790390.858812.1447105462034.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <626581240.861838.1447105796353.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

the starting frequency should be 435.867 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bob- W7LRD" <w7lrd at comcast.net> 
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 1:44:22 PM 
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 FM 

This last pass I copied a non-ham FM signal starting at 435.897. Talking about a tractor and construction of "something". Went LOS after only the West coast was in the foot print. How do we find these clowns? 
73 Bob W7LRD 
_______________________________________________ 
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed 
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. 
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From alancresswell at xtra.co.nz  Mon Nov  9 22:05:44 2015
From: alancresswell at xtra.co.nz (alancresswell at xtra.co.nz)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:05:44 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
In-Reply-To: <CAPRXzypH9zSq1_nPtd15n5UzqkaK=D9RawGMc2xTgMk+G157wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPRXzyr=cHUk1BaTCjBvrj--F_QU4R5nCkoM2HBUxN+j0xkjFA@mail.gmail.com><DAE447381723496E97EBA70A90167351@SATELLITE2>
	<CAPRXzypH9zSq1_nPtd15n5UzqkaK=D9RawGMc2xTgMk+G157wA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DCBF7073A784AF78B66BB0564F05905@SATELLITE2>

Hi Mark

Yes, I use preamps on both 70cm and 2m as my antennas are more than 30 m away on the top of the hill. About 10db gain on 2m to overcome cable losses.
A noticeable effect in ZL is that as AO-85 is travelling South to North, often there comes a point late in the pass where it is virtually impossible to access the transponder.  This sometimes happens so suddenly that the first couple of times I thought the transponder must have shut down.  The same effect has been noticed in VK as well, and the assumption is that it is related to antenna orientation in the Southern hemisphere. The North to South passes are in the early hours of the morning here at the moment so I have not had the opportunity to see what happens there.

73
Alan
ZL2BX
From: Mark L. Hammond 
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 9:37 PM
To: Alan Cresswell ; Amsat - BBs 
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9

Thanks, Alan.  I wish I could report good successes with 2.5W.   I'm still trying to find the right combinations...orientation/attitude of the bird surely fits into the picture.


You have a 2M preamp I suppose?


Mark N8MH 


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:12 PM, <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

  Hi Mark,

  Well another pass to report.  09-11-15 at AOS 2035, 58 Deg El.
  As before , No telemetry, no tone required, solid response from transponder.
  Uplink 2.5w to nominal 15db yagi.
  Up FMN, down FMN.
  Downlink crossed 10 el Yagi.
  Downlink signal  pushing my TS-2000 to full scale - S9 + 60db for most of the pass.

  Hope that helps.
  73  Alan
  ZL2BX


  -----Original Message----- From: Mark L. Hammond
  Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 8:32 PM
  To: Amsat - BBs
  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9

  Thanks for the report, Alan.  The Command Team really appreciates reports
  like this during our testing....keep the reports coming!


  73,

  Mark N8MH




  _____________
  Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:16:42 -0000
  From: <alancresswell at xtra.co.nz>
  To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Testing November 8 and 9
  Message-ID: <5E2C7101606047E89E91998406543C94 at SATELLITE2>
  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
         reply-type=original

  AO-85 Orbit 461
  No telemetry, No tone required for access.  Excellent signal from the
  transponder on the 1855 UT 15 deg pass over ZL this morning.

  Alan
  ZL2BX

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From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 00:17:54 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:17:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fo29 fm signals
In-Reply-To: <CACm2je2Jp=JymLfLkwsNW+r-mawZ0v9VnzVc3Vyr2daw7R6z8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACm2je2Jp=JymLfLkwsNW+r-mawZ0v9VnzVc3Vyr2daw7R6z8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACm2je3vUADGdyivASBNgPmujssyFXBnBxVSYKUJBy2MUYsHQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like the same crew I heard loading trucks with dirt etc.when I heard
it all that was in the footprint was canada,north dakota,michigan etc
Jeff Wb8rjy

jeff broughton

From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 00:23:40 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:23:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao85 audio
Message-ID: <CACm2je2sUVc-rqj478G5MD-EB=-jnPRZAMSXudU-DPQ0Yh1LRA@mail.gmail.com>

Wholly smokes,just worked AC0RA on AO85 which he informs me was in carrier
mode,the downlink audio was outstanding.it was every bit as good as what I
experience on SO50 and Lilacsat-2. What fun!

jeff broughton WB8RJY

From the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp  Tue Nov 10 00:31:35 2015
From: the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp (J. Boyd (JR2TTS))
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:31:35 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao85 audio
In-Reply-To: <CACm2je2sUVc-rqj478G5MD-EB=-jnPRZAMSXudU-DPQ0Yh1LRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACm2je2sUVc-rqj478G5MD-EB=-jnPRZAMSXudU-DPQ0Yh1LRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151110092953.86EA.THE2BELO@msd.biglobe.ne.jp>

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:23:40 -0500, jeffory broughton <jefforybroughton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wholly smokes,just worked AC0RA on AO85 which he informs me was in carrier
> mode,the downlink audio was outstanding.it was every bit as good as what I
> experience on SO50 and Lilacsat-2. What fun!

Can I ask what power you were running on the uplink? In previous
attempts I had been running 5W when the transponder was on and the PL
tone active, and only ever succeeded in reaching it once -- and my own audio
was very distant and noisy.


-- 
J. Boyd, JR2TTS/NI3B
the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the2belo/
http://www.qrz.com/db/JR2TTS
Twitter: @Minus2_C


From aa5pk at suddenlink.net  Tue Nov 10 00:49:50 2015
From: aa5pk at suddenlink.net (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:49:50 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 FM signals
In-Reply-To: <CACm2je3vUADGdyivASBNgPmujssyFXBnBxVSYKUJBy2MUYsHQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACm2je2Jp=JymLfLkwsNW+r-mawZ0v9VnzVc3Vyr2daw7R6z8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACm2je3vUADGdyivASBNgPmujssyFXBnBxVSYKUJBy2MUYsHQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85310990EBC048B0885D3E5FB6C2C45F@AA5PKPC>

I frequently heard FM QRM at the extreme upper end of the XW-2F downlink around 146 MHz.  Spanish speaking male and female 
voices.  Likely unlicensed activity around 435.325 MHz.

Glenn AA5PK
DM91


From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 01:12:06 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 20:12:06 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 COR mode
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYsHPu53fnT3-j6awuYRjg6YF7oO5uk+Pu8e7maR01HV+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I listened to both the November 8th 17:15 UTC pass and the November 9th
0:00 UTC pass, both of which I was using my 17el beam with HDSDR recording
IF files and piping it into Foxtlm, decoding telemetry, Both recording are
in my dropbox file here
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bhzpp4aer0i3j0m/AABiTWdkA_zj2OGMbnNP6H7Ia?dl=0 .
On the November 8th 17:15 UTC pass I hear Jerry N0JY testing with someone
else, testing out power levels on the satellite with I believe telemetry
on. On the recent November 9th 0:00 UTC pass I hear no telemetry on the
beginning of AOS and hear Jerry and Mark and Drew testing the bird, than
mid way through the pass the telemetry comes back on, Interestingly enough
I see in HDSDR the downlink jumps up in frequency slightly when the bird
switches between COR mode and Repeater/Telemetry mode.

As far as I can tell, COR mode on AO-85 slightly sounds better on the
downlink, the audio sounds somewhat better, But I dont think its going to
affect receiver sensitivity. The passes with the COR mode on, the downlink
sounds much stronger and has better audio. I have yet to work in fully in
COR mode to see how good the receiver sensitivity is.

73's KE8AKW Nick
(Go Fox)

From electricity440 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 02:00:58 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:00:58 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] High School High Altitude Balloon Launch
Message-ID: <CAJNyT08mhvJ8n7z1ak=UsmXEZF_00KSNiWbnJAPnigoeXu9muA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, its Skyler Fennell KD0WHB, I am a Senior in High School, and started
the Colorado Amateur Satellite net (amsatnet.info).

This year, I have started an Amateur Radio club at my School (Denver School
of the Arts Amateur Radio Club , KE0FXH) , and we have decided we want to
build a payload for the Edge of Space Sciences launch in *February of 2016.*

We plan on performing an Amateur Radio experiment to either test RF
propagation at the elevation or send data packets of live information or
both. Although I have plenty of parts laying around for transmitting and
receiving RF signals, and processors like the Arudino or raspberry pi, for
the live data, the trip will cost us $350 to get a payload on the 100,000
foot balloon launch.

This Amateur Radio club is almost entirely student funded, and I have
already brought in stuff for a Fox Hunt, the construction of an AllStar/
EchoLink repeater, and now we are building a Morse code transceiver. The
next project will be the Balloon payload, given that we get the funds for
the Launch.

I would greatly appreciate if anybody would be willing to donate a bit to
the club for support of the High Altitude Balloon Launch. I believe this
launch will inspire many students to learn about Science and Technology,
and inspire them to get a ham license.

Here is a donation link. The video shows a payload, which I helped design
for the STEM school in highlands ranch, Colorado, a sound propagation
experiment:

https://www.gofundme.com/eu985jy4

Our club contains 5 Licensed amateurs so far, and we are recruiting more.
We meet during lunch hour in one of the Science rooms.

73, and Thanks from

Skyler Fennell KD0WHB - President, Founder, Trusty of the club Call
Jordan Walters KD0MLV - Co-founder
Ian Tompkins KE0GET
Christopher Banchero - KE0DTG
Dong Lee - KD0ZOE
Other Students in the club, who plan on soon getting their ham license.

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Tue Nov 10 02:57:17 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:57:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using DopplerPSK?
In-Reply-To: <2b08c0221496ed499b8a51acc7729fd2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <563FF030.9070607@denstarfarm.us> <5640068A.1040803@verizon.net>
	<56401122.9010406@denstarfarm.us>
	<2b08c0221496ed499b8a51acc7729fd2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56415D0D.4000809@denstarfarm.us>

On 09-Nov-15 0939, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> My guess is that 28.1215 should put you close to the center of the
> passband. 

I didn't hear the Robot tonight and thus I never had a signal/waterfall.

Is she off duty on Monday's ?



-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From bruninga at usna.edu  Tue Nov 10 03:17:48 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:17:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT power going negative...
Message-ID: <5afb28460f337c5503daadee38da0dae@mail.gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] what's a good start freq for PSAT using
DopplerPSK?

> I didn't hear the Robot tonight and thus I never had a signal/waterfall.
> Is she off duty on Monday's ?

Looking at raw PSAT-1 telemetry on http://pcsat.aprs.org  I can see that
all the telemetry serial numbers,T#072,... are resetting back to T#001 and
never getting past 70 miinutes or so.  This means it is not making a full
orbit without running down the battery and resetting.

So until we get back to a good sun exposure, I guess we should not be
transmitting on the PSK31 uplink, especially at night.

Bob

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 10 15:34:54 2015
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:34:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Genevieve du Bois Catholic
	Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri
Message-ID: <B713995AE9AD41C89A0A5FD773ECF99C@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Ste. Genevieve du Bois Catholic Elementary School, Warson Woods, Missouri on 12 Nov. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:25 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between NA1SS and N0KBA. The contact should be audible the mid U.S, and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

Ste. Genevieve du Bois Elementary School is part of the St. Louis Archdiocese Catholic School System. The school has 127 students, kindergarten through eighth grade. The school's focus is on growth, exploration, confidence and compassion. It is expected that the contact with the space station will encourage students to select course work in high school that will lead to careers in science, technology, engineering or math. 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows

 

1.  How many countries are involved with the ISS?

2.  Have you ever had any problems with the ISS?

3.  How long does it take you to get used to being in space?

4.  Does lack of gravity affect your dreams?

5.  What science experiments do you conduct in space?

6.  Do all the astronauts work together in the same experiments?

7.  What would happen if you light a fire in zero gravity?

8.  When you were a kid did you know that you would be an astronaut?

9.  What type of educational background helped you prepare for this job?

10.  Is it difficult to readjust physically upon returning to earth?

11.  Does infection spread at the same rate in space as on earth?

12.  What happens if you have a medical emergency?

13.  Can you get dizzy in space?

14.  How does space affect you mentally and physically?

15.  What is the most exciting thing you have seen in space?

16.  Do you have plants on the ISS?

17.  What is your favorite part of being in space?

18.  What emergency procedures do you have to avoid space debris?

19.  How many people can be in the space station at once?

20.  What is the longest amount of time you can stay on the space station?

21.  How do you avoid collisions with satellites?

22.  How do families send you personal items, or do they?

23.  How do you celebrate your birthday or holidays on the space station?

24.  Do you have access to the internet?

 

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

      TBD

 

ARISS is an international educational outreach program partnering the volunteer support and leadership from AMSAT and IARU societies around the world with the ISS space agencies partners: NASA, Russian Space Agency, ESA, CNES, JAXA, and CSA.

 

ARISS offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers on-board the International Space Station. Teachers, parents and communities see, first hand, how Amateur Radio and crewmembers on ISS can energize youngsters' interest in science, technology, and learning. Further information on the ARISS program visit the ARISS website at ariss.org. 

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From kshaddrick at jetup.net  Tue Nov 10 16:08:40 2015
From: kshaddrick at jetup.net (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:08:40 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Error
Message-ID: <56421688.9090504@jetup.net>


I'm getting an error 32 from SatPC32 in the radio setup screens. It 
doesn't seem to matter what I enter, whenever I click on the store 
button I get the error message. My only option at this point is to 
cancel out of the window. I'm trying to setup two radios, an Icom IC-746 
of vhf, and an Icom IC-706MKIIG for UHF. Each radio has its own 
interface cable (serial port 9 and 11 respectively). Any thoughts as to 
what error 32 means?

Thanks,

Kelley

-- 

Kelley - W?RK



From k9jkm at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 19:24:38 2015
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:24:38 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tuesday Webcast Ariane 5 Launch From French Guiana
Message-ID: <007301d11bed$749f6fa0$5dde4ee0$@net>

For those who enjoy a rumble from the Amazon jungle ...

Arianespace will orbit 2 satellites: ARABSAT-6B (BADR-7), for ARABSAT in
Saudi Arabia and GSAT-15 for ISRO, Indian Space Agency. It will be launched
from the Ariane 5 launch complex N? 3 (ELA3), in Kourou, French Guiana.
(There are no amateur satellites on this launch).

The Ariane 5 ECA launcher is scheduled to lift off on Tuesday, November 10,
2015 as early as possible within the following launch window:

? Between 1634 and 1717 USA Eastern Time

? Between 2134 and 2217, Universal Time (UTC)

The Arianespace website http://www.arianespace.tv/ will begin webcast
coverage 15 minutes before the launch. 

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org



From k9jkm at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 19:44:18 2015
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:44:18 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS Listening Opportunity on 145.800 November 12
Message-ID: <007701d11bf0$34606a90$9d213fb0$@net>

The ISS will be able to be heard on their 145.800 MHz downlink for stations
in the mid-North American area on November 12 at 1625 UTC. NA1SS and N0KBA
will connect participants at Ste. Genevieve du Bois Catholic Elementary
School, Warson Woods, Missouri for an ARISS school contact.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org




From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 22:13:00 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:13:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SWL
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYsts79T_WPdWSCRi4srm85kLLbzcbunPDmHt7Z+-6jftA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I listened to both the November 8th 17:15 UTC pass and the November 9th
0:00 UTC pass, both of which I was using my 17el beam with HDSDR recording
IF files and piping it into Foxtlm, decoding telemetry, Both recording are
in my dropbox file
herehttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/bhzpp4aer0i3j0m/AABiTWdkA_zj2OGMbnNP6H7Ia?dl=0
.
On the November 8th 17:15 UTC pass I hear Jerry N0JY testing with someone
else, testing out power levels on the satellite with I believe telemetry
on. On the recent November 9th 0:00 UTC pass I hear no telemetry on the
beginning of AOS and hear Jerry and Mark and Drew testing the bird, than
mid way through the pass the telemetry comes back on, Interestingly enough
I see in HDSDR the downlink jumps up in frequency slightly when the bird
switches between COR mode and Repeater/Telemetry mode.

As far as I can tell, COR mode on AO-85 slightly sounds better on the
downlink, the audio sounds somewhat better, But I dont think its going to
affect receiver sensitivity. The passes with the COR mode on, the downlink
sounds much stronger and has better audio. I have yet to work in fully in
COR mode to see how good the receiver sensitivity is.

73's KE8AKW Nick
(Go Fox)

From martha at amsat.org  Tue Nov 10 22:59:47 2015
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:59:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Office Closed
Message-ID: <CAPk0USymtM2cJyHC11u-_frbpUFEwws+2HMAEEVMyViPbJ+QYw@mail.gmail.com>

The AMSAT Office will be closed tomorrow, Wednesday, November 11th in
observance of Veterans' Day.

-- 
73- Martha

From skristof at etczone.net  Tue Nov 10 23:27:41 2015
From: skristof at etczone.net (Steve Kristoff)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:27:41 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat
Message-ID: <E101E637193E486184267FC6AFC7839C@StevePC>

A few minutes ago I went out in the backyard for a try at LilacSat. It should have been practically overhead here, but I didn't hear anything. I got a brief moment of quieting in the receiver as if a carrier was transmitted, but heard no voices.
I'm using an Arrow Antenna. Is that not enough to work the LilacSat?
All constructive suggestions would be appreciated!

Steve Kristoff AI9IN
skristof at etczone.com


From n8hm at arrl.net  Tue Nov 10 23:31:30 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:31:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat
In-Reply-To: <E101E637193E486184267FC6AFC7839C@StevePC>
References: <E101E637193E486184267FC6AFC7839C@StevePC>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOp=6bu6rV5OCyA2SZbz8bQV8BGRhF=xp5WEwVf89MaCYg@mail.gmail.com>

It was likely switched out of transponder mode on the last pass over
China. They tend to turn it on during the first pass over China around
2200 UTC on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and turn it off during the
first pass over China around 2200 UTC on Tuesday, Thursday, and
Saturday.

Hopefully the schedule for transponder operations will be expanded as
the satellite completes it's mission objectives.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> wrote:
> A few minutes ago I went out in the backyard for a try at LilacSat. It should have been practically overhead here, but I didn't hear anything. I got a brief moment of quieting in the receiver as if a carrier was transmitted, but heard no voices.
> I'm using an Arrow Antenna. Is that not enough to work the LilacSat?
> All constructive suggestions would be appreciated!
>
> Steve Kristoff AI9IN
> skristof at etczone.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 23:31:48 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:31:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-10 23:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <c2424.7de2498e.4373d864@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-10  23:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Ste. Genevieve du Bois Catholic Elementary School, Warson  Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?KBA
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to  be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
The contact is a  go for: Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC 55 deg

Kiluutaq School,  Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada, telebridge via W6SRJ 
(***)
The ISS callsign  is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***)
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya  Yui KG5BPH (***)  
Contact is a go for: Tue 2015-11-17 16:47:02 UTC 41  deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-10 23:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1007. 
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 972. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-09 19:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From scott23192 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 23:33:19 2015
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:33:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat
References: <E101E637193E486184267FC6AFC7839C@StevePC>
Message-ID: <7CFC33B04B304C098C54449EAC05B540@OPT755>

Steve, I wasn't monitoring audio but I did get telemetry here in Central VA (FM17) tonight on what was an approx. 43 degree pass.

Hand-held Arrow antenna here, as well.


-Scott, K4KDR
Montpelier, VA  USA


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Kristoff 
  To: AMSAT BB 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 18:27
  Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat


  A few minutes ago I went out in the backyard for a try at LilacSat. It should have been practically overhead here, but I didn't hear anything. I got a brief moment of quieting in the receiver as if a carrier was transmitted, but heard no voices.
  I'm using an Arrow Antenna. Is that not enough to work the LilacSat?
  All constructive suggestions would be appreciated!

  Steve Kristoff AI9IN
  skristof at etczone.com

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From n8hm at arrl.net  Tue Nov 10 23:34:04 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:34:04 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOp=6bu6rV5OCyA2SZbz8bQV8BGRhF=xp5WEwVf89MaCYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E101E637193E486184267FC6AFC7839C@StevePC>
	<CABzOSOp=6bu6rV5OCyA2SZbz8bQV8BGRhF=xp5WEwVf89MaCYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrb6m2kO=9+NkER-WKzWbyf79OMEFzzJ7hgAzrtbB89eA@mail.gmail.com>

By the way, an Arrow and HT is fine for LilacSat, when it's on. The
quieting you heard was likely the 9600 baud telemetry.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> It was likely switched out of transponder mode on the last pass over
> China. They tend to turn it on during the first pass over China around
> 2200 UTC on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and turn it off during the
> first pass over China around 2200 UTC on Tuesday, Thursday, and
> Saturday.
>
> Hopefully the schedule for transponder operations will be expanded as
> the satellite completes it's mission objectives.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> wrote:
>> A few minutes ago I went out in the backyard for a try at LilacSat. It should have been practically overhead here, but I didn't hear anything. I got a brief moment of quieting in the receiver as if a carrier was transmitted, but heard no voices.
>> I'm using an Arrow Antenna. Is that not enough to work the LilacSat?
>> All constructive suggestions would be appreciated!
>>
>> Steve Kristoff AI9IN
>> skristof at etczone.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 23:55:46 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:55:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2A On
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYvPhBLtJAvs0BDLcAjn4VY9R0EwYRNTinc=i7WppyoUyg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!
I heard from someone else on a XW-2F pass that XW-2A has been on all day,
so I tried the recent 23:43 UTC pass and it was on, Strong downlink and
works just like the 2F and 2E satellites.

73's KE8AKW, Nick

From n8hm at arrl.net  Tue Nov 10 23:58:27 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:58:27 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2A On
In-Reply-To: <CAGu+VYvPhBLtJAvs0BDLcAjn4VY9R0EwYRNTinc=i7WppyoUyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYvPhBLtJAvs0BDLcAjn4VY9R0EwYRNTinc=i7WppyoUyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrvTSXgr0bm5wPy4pG__E7003WkFXVqN5MwmvWaeV_yxA@mail.gmail.com>

Too bad I didn't see your tweet a bit earlier. By the time I heard it
was on, it was nearing LOS for me.

Hope it's still on in the morning. Looking forward to trying it out.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW
<nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> I heard from someone else on a XW-2F pass that XW-2A has been on all day,
> so I tried the recent 23:43 UTC pass and it was on, Strong downlink and
> works just like the 2F and 2E satellites.
>
> 73's KE8AKW, Nick
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From skristof at etczone.net  Wed Nov 11 00:01:27 2015
From: skristof at etczone.net (Steve Kristoff)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:01:27 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOrb6m2kO=9+NkER-WKzWbyf79OMEFzzJ7hgAzrtbB89eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E101E637193E486184267FC6AFC7839C@StevePC><CABzOSOp=6bu6rV5OCyA2SZbz8bQV8BGRhF=xp5WEwVf89MaCYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOrb6m2kO=9+NkER-WKzWbyf79OMEFzzJ7hgAzrtbB89eA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C776F3F12A6647D5B9240DE7E75CF545@StevePC>

Thank you, Paul and Scott!
I'll set my LilacSat alarm for Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
Catch you on the satellites!
73
Steve AI9IN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm at arrl.net>
To: "Steve Kristoff" <skristof at etczone.net>
Cc: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LilacSat


> By the way, an Arrow and HT is fine for LilacSat, when it's on. The
> quieting you heard was likely the 9600 baud telemetry.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>> It was likely switched out of transponder mode on the last pass over
>> China. They tend to turn it on during the first pass over China around
>> 2200 UTC on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and turn it off during the
>> first pass over China around 2200 UTC on Tuesday, Thursday, and
>> Saturday.
>>
>> Hopefully the schedule for transponder operations will be expanded as
>> the satellite completes it's mission objectives.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Steve Kristoff <skristof at etczone.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> A few minutes ago I went out in the backyard for a try at LilacSat. It 
>>> should have been practically overhead here, but I didn't hear anything. 
>>> I got a brief moment of quieting in the receiver as if a carrier was 
>>> transmitted, but heard no voices.
>>> I'm using an Arrow Antenna. Is that not enough to work the LilacSat?
>>> All constructive suggestions would be appreciated!
>>>
>>> Steve Kristoff AI9IN
>>> skristof at etczone.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
>>> Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of 
>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite 
>>> program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions 
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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Steve Kristoff
skristof at etczone.com

"A few chords strummed on a ukulele, enough to please a few others beside 
yourself, does more good in this world than the combined efforts of all the 
financiers and politicians that ever lived." - Frank Littig, Littig's New 
Harmony Self Instructor Chords for Ukulele, Banjuke or Taro Patch Fiddle, 
Chart Music Publishing House, Chicago, Illinois, 1924 


From luhn at wt.net  Wed Nov 11 03:10:11 2015
From: luhn at wt.net (James)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:10:11 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] High School High Altitude Balloon Launch
Message-ID: <5642B193.5090609@wt.net>

Skyler,
What a terrific project!  Keep us informed on the mission.  I hope 
everyone will chip in a few dollars to help your club out.
73,
-james
W5AOO

Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:00:58 -0700
From: Skyler F<electricity440 at gmail.com>
To:"amsat-bb at amsat.org"  <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] High School High Altitude Balloon Launch
Message-ID:
	<CAJNyT08mhvJ8n7z1ak=UsmXEZF_00KSNiWbnJAPnigoeXu9muA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi, its Skyler Fennell KD0WHB, I am a Senior in High School, and started
the Colorado Amateur Satellite net (amsatnet.info).

This year, I have started an Amateur Radio club at my School (Denver School
of the Arts Amateur Radio Club , KE0FXH) , and we have decided we want to
build a payload for the Edge of Space Sciences launch in *February of 2016.*

We plan on performing an Amateur Radio experiment to either test RF
propagation at the elevation or send data packets of live information or
both. Although I have plenty of parts laying around for transmitting and
receiving RF signals, and processors like the Arudino or raspberry pi, for
the live data, the trip will cost us $350 to get a payload on the 100,000
foot balloon launch.

This Amateur Radio club is almost entirely student funded, and I have
already brought in stuff for a Fox Hunt, the construction of an AllStar/
EchoLink repeater, and now we are building a Morse code transceiver. The
next project will be the Balloon payload, given that we get the funds for
the Launch.

I would greatly appreciate if anybody would be willing to donate a bit to
the club for support of the High Altitude Balloon Launch. I believe this
launch will inspire many students to learn about Science and Technology,
and inspire them to get a ham license.

Here is a donation link. The video shows a payload, which I helped design
for the STEM school in highlands ranch, Colorado, a sound propagation
experiment:

https://www.gofundme.com/eu985jy4

Our club contains 5 Licensed amateurs so far, and we are recruiting more.
We meet during lunch hour in one of the Science rooms.

73, and Thanks from

Skyler Fennell KD0WHB - President, Founder, Trusty of the club Call
Jordan Walters KD0MLV - Co-founder
Ian Tompkins KE0GET
Christopher Banchero - KE0DTG
Dong Lee - KD0ZOE
Other Students in the club, who plan on soon getting their ham license.


------------------------------



From rwmcgwier at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 03:37:15 2015
From: rwmcgwier at gmail.com (Robert McGwier)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:37:15 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016 (update)
In-Reply-To: <91DB0087CE564A90B393E71222A6B80C@FMAE9DF34D30D3>
References: <91DB0087CE564A90B393E71222A6B80C@FMAE9DF34D30D3>
Message-ID: <CA+K5gzeUGkTV3MqjQDWcatDgxcOUfsug+UqKstu=_-bGCmyDjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Mineo-San. Very nice.

On Monday, November 9, 2015, Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:

> For the purpose of the demonstration and development of CubeSats in the
> technology of the
> universities around the world, it had been scheduled to be launched all 50
> satellites by
> Cyclone-4 rocket belonging to Alcantara Cyclone Space, a joint venture
> between the governments
> of Ukraine and Brazil, on 1 February 2016 in the first plan. The launch
> plan has changed, the
> CubeSats are now expected to be shipped to the ISS in July 2016 with
> deployment at a later
> date. There are still also uncertainties, but I, JE9PEL investigated the
> current frequencies
> and summarized them in an Excel file. I intend to edit in the future this
> revised version.
>
> http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/qb50sats.htm
>
> JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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-- 
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Research Professor Virginia Tech
Dir. Research:  The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and
Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
Faculty Advisor Virginia Tech Amateur Radio Assn. (K4KDJ)
Director of AMSAT

From jlb3nn at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 10 00:13:43 2015
From: jlb3nn at bellsouth.net (Jim Bennett)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:13:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Polarization Switch
Message-ID: <009c01d11b4c$a94f5c70$fbee1550$@net>

Does anyone know anything about this remote control polarization switch?
Can it be mounted on the antenna boom?  Or do I need to run dual loops from
the tower mounted switch  to the antennas?

 

http://www.wimo.com/power-splitter-combiner_e.html

 

I am trying to do EME and it seems that my circular polarization switch
might not be the best for EME.  It is suggested to use Horizontal or
Vertical.  Not circular.  Right?

 

Thanks for any input.

 

Jim, Ke4kol

 

 


From n8hm at arrl.net  Wed Nov 11 11:40:59 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 06:40:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2A On
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOrvTSXgr0bm5wPy4pG__E7003WkFXVqN5MwmvWaeV_yxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYvPhBLtJAvs0BDLcAjn4VY9R0EwYRNTinc=i7WppyoUyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOrvTSXgr0bm5wPy4pG__E7003WkFXVqN5MwmvWaeV_yxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpgyvDtBEswNMQ6M6+0E8ztFv4BOBcVRi1pCR9Na-r3vg@mail.gmail.com>

The XW-2A transponder was on during the 1106Z pass over the eastern
United States. I worked N4IQV, no other stations were heard.

Hope to hear a few more on the next pass.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> Too bad I didn't see your tweet a bit earlier. By the time I heard it
> was on, it was nearing LOS for me.
>
> Hope it's still on in the morning. Looking forward to trying it out.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW
> <nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I heard from someone else on a XW-2F pass that XW-2A has been on all day,
>> so I tried the recent 23:43 UTC pass and it was on, Strong downlink and
>> works just like the 2F and 2E satellites.
>>
>> 73's KE8AKW, Nick
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:57:35 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:57:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2A ON !
Message-ID: <CACm2je3fwFM3D8N8-prssFpKRvyNqhmi82jQnDu+V_=MXb9dkw@mail.gmail.com>

Just finished up a qso with a whole group on XW-2A. Downlink was very
strong.Worked the entire pass using only 1/2 watt.A bit lower than
most,maybe that accounts for its killer signal.fun.

jeff broughton

From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:05:08 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:05:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Xw-2A
Message-ID: <CACm2je3-mWfLd5biwRCSP8qDhEJ=koaCKbYwMx8Nv6WpBmTcNA@mail.gmail.com>

P.s. AC0RA and myself started our QSO'S on XW-2A at .1 and .2 degrees and
the signals were already S6 . unbelievable!
WB8RJY

jeff broughton

From wageners at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:10:50 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:10:50 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Polarization Switch
In-Reply-To: <009c01d11b4c$a94f5c70$fbee1550$@net>
References: <009c01d11b4c$a94f5c70$fbee1550$@net>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHCiybcnSwEfYbC2hSF2rWpAO0FnqavYYu_JFrVXBVQzoA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

That particular pol switch is mast mounted and pending your antennas will
allow you to switch polarization  horizontal, vertical, circular right,
circular left handed. As I said it depends on your antennas. The switch and
the additional phassing cables and the additional power splitter are
optimized for the X-Quad antennas WIMO is selling. Yes, they can also be
used for cross yagis if they are mounted in horizontal/vertical position
and you adjust the passing lines based on the plane offset. WIMO has the
instructions posted as part of the link you provided (underneath the pol
switch image. That will give you some ideas. They are written in German AND
English. Yes, for EME switching polarization between horizontal and
vertical linear polarization is preferrable, or polarization diverse
switching in 45degrees increments which is getting really fancy and cannot
be done with the WIMO setup as far as I know. If you need further
information on this switch, I have one (not in use at this point) and you
can contact me offline.

Hope this helps,

Stefan, VE4NSA

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Jim Bennett <jlb3nn at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about this remote control polarization switch?
> Can it be mounted on the antenna boom?  Or do I need to run dual loops from
> the tower mounted switch  to the antennas?
>
>
>
> http://www.wimo.com/power-splitter-combiner_e.html
>
>
>
> I am trying to do EME and it seems that my circular polarization switch
> might not be the best for EME.  It is suggested to use Horizontal or
> Vertical.  Not circular.  Right?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
>
>
> Jim, Ke4kol
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From eromagni at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:15:46 2015
From: eromagni at gmail.com (The Romagni's)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:15:46 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] WTB LVB Tracker rotor interface
Message-ID: <CAHyAO8h2DMUFRqnWPFK+x_kFO0tXYf4GOs+4G-gvK8AKbags1g@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for a LVB Tracker interface, if you have one for sale, please
email me at eromagni at gmail.com

Thanks

Steve
W4DTA

From dirkswyatt10 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 22:39:14 2015
From: dirkswyatt10 at gmail.com (Wyatt Dirks)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:39:14 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid expedition
In-Reply-To: <CAD_amwE1x=sZMfNW8PjiDAByOJ2Fu6Pdcr0OdEKR7eppCAxw4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_amwE1x=sZMfNW8PjiDAByOJ2Fu6Pdcr0OdEKR7eppCAxw4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD_amwGv5MnVDchL7wHz03igczNUu9agquwu=YZBqWjR0LZUqA@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon

This Thursday the 12th I'll be heading north from Iowa to operate from
different grids in but not limited to MN and WI. Best way to know when and
where I'll be on will be to follow me on Twitter @Wyattac0ra. I will be
using the special event call W0N for this operation. Qsling via lotw is
preferred but paper will work also. For those of you who haven't worked on
a grid expedition before know that I may operate any or all passes at
anytime during the day or night.

73 Wyatt
Ac0ra

From jefforybroughton at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 12:14:45 2015
From: jefforybroughton at gmail.com (jeffory broughton)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 07:14:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Xw-2A transponder
Message-ID: <CACm2je0tugoyq4-PdOFA64KZcyvJAPrQNVU9PoiJWqgYDicjvQ@mail.gmail.com>

At 12:13 utc XW-2A appears off.beacon strong.Lilacsat transponder on.

jeff broughton

From k7trkradio at charter.net  Thu Nov 12 23:54:26 2015
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:54:26 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] test
Message-ID: <001a01d11da5$76bc8250$643586f0$@charter.net>

test


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 23:55:44 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:55:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] test
In-Reply-To: <001a01d11da5$76bc8250$643586f0$@charter.net>
References: <001a01d11da5$76bc8250$643586f0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKM8-MhZQOViukVmKkfxLMN5dTm+kNEu1bEQJOLmYfhAYg@mail.gmail.com>

it worked.

John, KG4AKV

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:
> test
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 01:03:48 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 17:03:48 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Colorado Amateur Satellite net Begins in 1 hour
Message-ID: <CAJNyT0_gucC8L+OXP2r5G2tTMrzUzGZKEX0RwHtfGnrbBEZ+3A@mail.gmail.com>

This is a reminder that the Colorado Amateur Satellite net will begin in 1
hour from now (7PM mountain time Thursday).

6PM Pacific
7PM Mountain
8PM Central
9PM Eastern


Please visit us on

*AMSATNET.INFO <http://amsatnet.info/>*

*IRLP*
9870, the Denver Reflector

*ALLSTAR LINK*

40764, direct hookup to the repeater here. 41715, KC9ZHV hub at a data
center if I am out of bandwidth. More info on AllStar - amsatnet.info/#node

*ECHOLINK*

*AMSAT*  unless there is an ARISS contact, then go direct to KD0WHB-L

*LOCAL RF*
449.875 (-) 103.5 (the Rocky Mountain Radio League repeater on Eldorado
Mountain)
447.225 (-) 141.3 (The STEM school repeater we set up)
447.850 (-) 141.3 (AC?KQ's repeater where he lives on TOP of saddleback
mountain)
449.625 (-) 141.3 ( W?KU Lookout Mountain) Possibly here, not for sure yet
147.450 SIMPLEX (Aurora, CO)
446.275 (-) 100.0 Galena St. Local repeater at my house, giving a whoppin 5
blocks of great coverage

*REMOTE RF*

Your Repeater here!, Email me if you want to link in or me to link your
echolink or allstar repeater in automatically (no automatic IRLP linking
supported)



Skyler Fennell
amsatnet.info
KD?WHB
electricity440 at gmail.com

From dphelps1 at ameritech.net  Fri Nov 13 02:05:21 2015
From: dphelps1 at ameritech.net (Douglas Phelps)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 02:05:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Virginia Tech Geosynchronous presentation
References: <1521488589.3384258.1447380321843.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1521488589.3384258.1447380321843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I would like the link to the Geosynch presentation that Bob McGuire posted. ?I cannot find it in facebook posts. ?Thanks
DougK9DLP

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Nov 13 02:09:30 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:09:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Virginia Tech Geosynchronous presentation
In-Reply-To: <1521488589.3384258.1447380321843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1521488589.3384258.1447380321843.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1521488589.3384258.1447380321843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpe2bxYMV0F9oc-q_+gwEyfp2zDtX3BbdyBRyvcQnK7QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Doug,

Is this what you were looking for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pjsS4OLg8w

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Douglas Phelps <dphelps1 at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I would like the link to the Geosynch presentation that Bob McGuire posted.  I cannot find it in facebook posts.  Thanks
> DougK9DLP
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From johnag9d at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 02:59:35 2015
From: johnag9d at gmail.com (John Spasojevich)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:59:35 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Contact Tuesday - Audio
Message-ID: <CA+qbou4KrKtgxauNychc2fw9hTgnHL_T5hrAXb38kBbfRAfrbg@mail.gmail.com>

Please join us in listening to the ISS contact with participants at the

*Kiluutaq School, Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada *on Tuesday November
17th. AOS is anticipated 16:47 UTC

The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The
contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and W6SRJ in California. The
contact should be audible over the west coast of the U.S. Interested
parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is
expected to be conducted in English.

Audio from this contact will be fed into the:

EchoLink *AMSAT* (101377)

IRLP Node 9010 Discovery Reflector

Streaming Audio at: https://sites.google.com/site/arissaudio/

Audio on Echolink & web stream is generally transmitted around 20 minutes
prior to the contact taking place so that you can hear some of the
preparation that occurs. IRLP will begin just prior to the ground station
call to the ISS.

** Contact times are approximate. If the ISS executes a reboost or other
manoeuvre, the AOS (Acquisition Of Signal) time may alter by a few minutes
**

73,

John AG9D

ARISS Audio Distribution Group

From twdeckard at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 13 03:29:03 2015
From: twdeckard at earthlink.net (Todd W. Deckard)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:29:03 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] lunar pseudo keplers in TLE format
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2444.1447380325.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.2444.1447380325.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CE03F20E-A78F-4526-8D52-407407B6DF9A@earthlink.net>

Greetings, can anyone on the list point me to pseudo keplers for the moon in TLE format. 

The Celestrak site has them decoded, but its easiest for me to integrate if I can use the conventional two line format.  

Regards
Todd 
KE0CMD

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Nov 13 03:35:51 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:35:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] lunar pseudo keplers in TLE format
In-Reply-To: <CE03F20E-A78F-4526-8D52-407407B6DF9A@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.2444.1447380325.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<CE03F20E-A78F-4526-8D52-407407B6DF9A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqBe8a3uKgxkaUHvcLtfH8j=7-akoo3eRFAXZ5uiHeOBg@mail.gmail.com>

Here they are for the next two months. They won't be as good as using
conventional moon tracking software and need to be updated monthly.

MOON2015_11
1 01511U 00000    15298.25194076  .00000000  00000-0  10000-3 0 00004
2 01511 018.2897 359.7740 0563000 005.5133 355.1249  0.03660099000003

MOON2015_12
1 01512U 00000    15325.64812208  .00000000  00000-0  10000-3 0 00003
2 01512 018.2962 000.2168 0485000 007.7144 353.0559  0.03660099000009

Source is F6DQM: http://www.f6dqm.fr/software.htm#sat_explorer (from
the SAT_EXPLORER ZIP file)

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Todd W. Deckard
<twdeckard at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Greetings, can anyone on the list point me to pseudo keplers for the moon in TLE format.
>
> The Celestrak site has them decoded, but its easiest for me to integrate if I can use the conventional two line format.
>
> Regards
> Todd
> KE0CMD
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Nov 13 03:42:31 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:42:31 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid expedition
In-Reply-To: <CAD_amwGv5MnVDchL7wHz03igczNUu9agquwu=YZBqWjR0LZUqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD_amwE1x=sZMfNW8PjiDAByOJ2Fu6Pdcr0OdEKR7eppCAxw4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD_amwGv5MnVDchL7wHz03igczNUu9agquwu=YZBqWjR0LZUqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqeoe7tEgOT_-SF6k+xBqm5OJwfZ0VKT=0UG3FT02+Mzg@mail.gmail.com>

The trip I have dubbed #W0N2015 on Twitter is under way. Wyatt worked
several stations on the 0310Z pass of AO-73 from the EN25/EN35 line in
Minnesota.

Wyatt plans to operate from EN15 for the first part of the 0726Z FO-29
pass and then quickly move to EN26 for the second half of the pass.
Don't wait to call him if you need EN15!

Follow his progress and plans here: https://twitter.com/wyattac0ra

I recommend turning on alerts for @WyattAC0RA in your Twitter app on
your cell phone for real time pass and grid updates. Remember that
Wyatt is practically a machine and will be getting to as many rare
grids in the Upper Midwest as possible between now and Monday evening.
If you need any in that area, be on the air, no matter what time, day
or night.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Wyatt Dirks <dirkswyatt10 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good afternoon
>
> This Thursday the 12th I'll be heading north from Iowa to operate from
> different grids in but not limited to MN and WI. Best way to know when and
> where I'll be on will be to follow me on Twitter @Wyattac0ra. I will be
> using the special event call W0N for this operation. Qsling via lotw is
> preferred but paper will work also. For those of you who haven't worked on
> a grid expedition before know that I may operate any or all passes at
> anytime during the day or night.
>
> 73 Wyatt
> Ac0ra
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 08:04:48 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:04:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-13 08:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <42848.7a797c86.4376f3a0@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-13  08:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Ste. Genevieve du Bois Catholic Elementary School, Warson  Woods, Missouri, 
direct via N?KBA
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to  be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
The contact was  successful: Thu 2015-11-12 16:25:16 UTC 55 deg (***)

Kiluutaq  School, Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada, telebridge via W6SRJ
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya  Yui KG5BPH 
Contact is a go for: Tue 2015-11-17 16:47:02 UTC 41  deg

****************************************************************************
**
>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-13 08:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1008. (***)
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 973.  (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-13 08:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From dirgantara.rahadian at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 10:13:50 2015
From: dirgantara.rahadian at gmail.com (Dirigantara R)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:13:50 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] IO-86 voice schedule
Message-ID: <030B2282-4ACE-48DE-A86A-EE4A1F781DDB@gmail.com>

Dear AMSAT members
We have Schedule Testing 1  Pass with LAPAN Command Center  to Open Voice Transponder  IO-86 / LAPAN-ORARI for  all Country in Equatorial can Use and give me report via email yd1eee at gmail.com,  
Date 14 November 2015 at 01:35 UTC - 03:40UTC .. Every Amateur can use a Voice Transponder
- Uplink 145.880Mhz tone 88,5
- Downlink 435.880 Mhz   

The Keps El:
IO-86
1 40931U 15052B   15316.15776324  .00001070  00000-0  60618-4 0  9994
2 40931   6.0030  69.3893 0012877 275.6206  84.2533 14.76374433  6653


73 de YE0EEE

From yono.adisoemarta at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 12:45:49 2015
From: yono.adisoemarta at gmail.com (Yono Adisoemarta)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:45:49 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Voice Repeater test on IO-86 Satellite
Message-ID: <A29FA9C9-873E-40E9-87BD-3614E0C4E793@gmail.com>

Apologize if this is a duplicate as I haven't seen Dirgantara's announcement on this mailing-list:

Dear AMSAT members
We have Schedule Testing 1  Pass with LAPAN Command Center  to Open Voice Transponder  IO-86 / LAPAN-ORARI for  all Country in Equatorial can Use and give me report via email yd1eee at gmail.com,  
Date 14 November 2015 at 01:35 UTC - 03:40UTC .. Every Amateur can use a Voice Transponder
- Uplink 145.880Mhz tone 88,5
- Downlink 435.880 Mhz   

The Keps El:
IO-86
1 40931U 15052B   15316.15776324  .00001070  00000-0  60618-4 0  9994
2 40931   6.0030  69.3893 0012877 275.6206  84.2533 14.76374433  6653


de Yono - YD0NXX / N5SNN




Sent from my iPhone 5s


From dphelps1 at ameritech.net  Fri Nov 13 13:17:41 2015
From: dphelps1 at ameritech.net (Douglas Phelps)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:17:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Virginia Tech Geosynchronous presentation
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpe2bxYMV0F9oc-q_+gwEyfp2zDtX3BbdyBRyvcQnK7QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpe2bxYMV0F9oc-q_+gwEyfp2zDtX3BbdyBRyvcQnK7QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45745255.3507167.1447420662040.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul.
Yes it is. Thanks,
DougK9DLP

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Paul Stoetzer<n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:   Doug,

Is this what you were looking for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pjsS4OLg8w

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Douglas Phelps <dphelps1 at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I would like the link to the Geosynch presentation that Bob McGuire posted.? I cannot find it in facebook posts.? Thanks
> DougK9DLP
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From red at redwilloughby.com  Fri Nov 13 13:28:12 2015
From: red at redwilloughby.com (Red Willoughby)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 07:28:12 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2A not heard
Message-ID: <5645E56C.9030507@redwilloughby.com>

I did not hear XW-2A on the 1315Z pass this morning. I wonder if it is 
operating according to a schedule like Lilacsat?

Red
KC4LE


From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 13 13:36:37 2015
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:36:37 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Kiluutaq School, Umiujaq,
	Nunavik Quebec, Canada
Message-ID: <A47D8E5715FD4EE5821DA1BA13861190@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Kiluutaq School, Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada

on 17 Nov. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:47 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and W6SRJ. The contact should be audible over the west coast of the U.S. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

We are students from Kiluutaq school. Our school is located in the village of Umiujaq. This is a small village of about 460 people in northern Quebec (Canada). In winter, we use special clothes to go hunting. We hunt seals, belugas, caribou, fish and foxes. In addition, every year we celebrate the blueberry festival and we pick a lot of blueberries. Our village is very special since we are talking 3 different languages: Inuttitut, English and French. In our village there are two stores, a school, an arena, an airport,a health center and a community center.

 

 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1. What kinds of food do you eat and do you bring favourites with you on 

   Space Station?

2. What is the temperature difference from outside and inside the Space 

   Station?

3. Do things like toilet use and washing in weightless conditions, demand 

   intense training?

4. How do you wash and clean yourself in weightless conditions? Is there a 

   bathing room?

5. What are the most remarkable things you see on Earth from Space Station?

6. How long are the missions each Astronaut undertakes?

7. How many people can live on the Space Station at one time?

8. Do all Astronauts have their own sleeping quarters and how well do you 

   sleep?  Are dreams different on Space Station?

9. Have you ever seen unusual things outside the Space Station and do the 

   planets and stars look different than from earth?

10. Why did you want to become an astronaut and was it difficult to achieve?

11. What happens if there is a medical emergency? Can you get back to earth 

    quickly?

12. Do you have regular working hours on Space Station?

13. What do you do for entertainment on Space Station?

 

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

 

Next planned event(s):

  TBD

 

 

ARISS is an international educational outreach program partnering the volunteer support and leadership from AMSAT and IARU societies around the world with the ISS space agencies partners: NASA, Russian Space Agency, ESA, CNES, JAXA, and CSA.

 

ARISS offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers on-board the International Space Station. Teachers, parents and communities see, first hand, how Amateur Radio and crewmembers on ISS can energize youngsters' interest in science, technology, and learning. Further information on the ARISS program visit the ARISS website at ariss.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 


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From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Nov 13 13:39:28 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:39:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] XW-2A not heard
In-Reply-To: <5645E56C.9030507@redwilloughby.com>
References: <5645E56C.9030507@redwilloughby.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpndVDYdkFSK22yBkA9ewvqJGf8w5x-2Wn4XS3Qu0c=GA@mail.gmail.com>

If it is on a schedule, it seems we'll just have to figure it out.
They don't seem to be in the mood to share any information on these
satellites with the world amateur community.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Red Willoughby <red at redwilloughby.com> wrote:
> I did not hear XW-2A on the 1315Z pass this morning. I wonder if it is
> operating according to a schedule like Lilacsat?
>
> Red
> KC4LE
>
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> expressed
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From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov 13 14:38:47 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:38:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] EO-79 (FUNcube-3) Update + ISS HamTV at Goonhilly
References: <874246542.6946518.1447425527422.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <874246542.6946518.1447425527422.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

EO-79 (FUNcube-3) CubeSat Update
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/09/eo-79-cubesat-update/

HamTV on the ISS ? Goonhilly update 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/12/hamtv-on-the-iss-update/

JE9PEL QB50 CubeSat Spreadsheet 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/08/je9pel-qb50-cubesat-spreadsheet/

Geosynchronous Ham Radio Satellite Video 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/08/geosynchronous-ham-radio-satellite-video/

AAUSAT5 communicates with students on Earth 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/04/aausat5-communicates-with-students-on-earth/

ISS Astronauts Link-Up with ITU WRC-15 in Geneva 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/03/iss-astronauts-link-up-itu-wrc-15/

Latest news on WRC-15 at 
http://rsgb.org/main/blog/category/news/special-focus/wrc-15/


73 Trevor M5AKA
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From ka3hdo at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 17:32:47 2015
From: ka3hdo at verizon.net (Frank Bauer)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:32:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS
Message-ID: <007401d11e39$5078fad0$f16af070$@verizon.net>

All,

 

15 years ago today the ARISS team inaugurated the ham station on ISS with
the first set of QSOs with the crew.  These contacts were conducted on this
date in Moscow, Russia Greenbelt, Maryland and Houston, Texas.  Lou McFadin,
W5DID and I were on the mic at the Greenbelt, Maryland location.

 

Happy Anniversary ARISS!!

 

73,  Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO

ARISS International Chair

AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs

 


From n8deu at outlook.com  Fri Nov 13 17:36:51 2015
From: n8deu at outlook.com (Tim N8DEU)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:36:51 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS
Message-ID: <BAY407-EAS24239F9108A657084C74450FE110@phx.gbl>

Great job!

Happy Anniversary ARISS !



Tim - N8DEU

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Frank Bauer<mailto:ka3hdo at verizon.net>
Sent: ?11/?13/?2015 11:33 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org<mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS

All,



15 years ago today the ARISS team inaugurated the ham station on ISS with
the first set of QSOs with the crew.  These contacts were conducted on this
date in Moscow, Russia Greenbelt, Maryland and Houston, Texas.  Lou McFadin,
W5DID and I were on the mic at the Greenbelt, Maryland location.



Happy Anniversary ARISS!!



73,  Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO

ARISS International Chair

AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs



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From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov 13 18:02:24 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:02:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] DeorbitSail Update - Initial Camera Image + IO-86 +
	Radio Waves
References: <1680330293.7137779.1447437744112.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1680330293.7137779.1447437744112.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

DeorbitSail Update and Initial Camera Image 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/13/deorbitsail-update-and-initial-camera-image/

Activation of IO-86 / LAPAN-ORARI FM Transponder (30 deg N to 30 deg S)
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/13/activation-of-io-86-lapan-orari-fm-transponder/

ARISS contact features in Fall 2015 issue of free magazine Radio Waves. PDF at 
http://www.arrl.org/radio-waves


73 Trevor M5AKA
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From thane at outernet.is  Fri Nov 13 18:21:48 2015
From: thane at outernet.is (Thane Richard)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:21:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Free content from six satellites via Outernet
Message-ID: <CAKhxLTZE+jOWSPKyjGjB_UR7gOz_22D2_i2iVj=et3TrRC7yKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

My name is Thane and I lead content and business development at Outernet.
Some of you may be aware of us but I suspect most are not. I am writing
this email to introduce Outernet to AMSAT.

Outernet broadcasts a DVB-S signal
<https://wiki.outernet.is/wiki/Coverage_and_transponder_settings> from six
different satellites covering 99% of humans on Earth. We created this
information service to reach the 4.3 billion people who do not have
Internet access and designed it to overcome the problems the Internet
presents, namely download speed and recurring cost. Our datacast is
completely free to receive, our bitrate is 90 Kbps (~1 GB/day of content),
and you can even build your own receiver with a Raspberry Pi
<http://store.outernet.is/>.

Right now, the content we send is curated by us and a group of editors but
we are working on a Reddit/Wikipedia/YouTube mashup where the contents of
our broadcast can be decided publicly. Currently, we broadcast Wikipedia,
30,000+ ebooks, PLOS One journal articles, Khan Academy, CK12 textbooks,
music from SoundCloud, and more.

I want to invite this community to be involved in Outernet and help us
build this project. Our current focus is on developing channels to get
devices into schools and generally into countries/areas where Internet
penetration is very low.

Our forum <http://discuss.outernet.is> is very active with users and
Outernet staff. Please stop by!

Avidly,
Thane

-- 
Thane Richard <https://twitter.com/thanerichard>
Content and Business Development Lead
Outernet <http://outernet.is/>

*Outernet in the press:* WIRED
<http://www.wired.com/2015/07/plan-beam-web-3-billion-unconnected-humans/>,
Inc.com <http://www.inc.com/dev-aujla/a-library-for-all.html>, TechCrunch
<http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/13/outernet-joins-the-space-race-for-internet-accessibility/>
, Gizmodo
<http://gizmodo.com/what-is-the-outernet-and-is-it-the-future-of-the-intern-1659647614>
, BBC <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29593734>, CNN
<http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/11/tech/internet-for-everyone/>, Fast Company
<http://www.fastcolabs.com/3027663/all-about-google-loons-low-cost-space-based-competitor-outernet>
, LA Times
<http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-g-outernet-explained-20140808-htmlstory.html>
, Motherboard
<http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-outernet-plans-to-broadcast-free-internet-from-space>

Our receiver, Lighthouse, is now available! To show how revolutionary
Lighthouse is, we installed one in a remote school in Uganda. Watch the
video here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlQFoGK1aWQ>.

From electricity440 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 20:24:26 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:24:26 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thanks
Message-ID: <CAJNyT0_nBKS7J0D-fjQJACSL10SuMoGnGG7qMNuuvwHjeH+WtQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to thank everyone for the donations towards our amateur radio
club balloon launch. We quickly exceeded the goal in only a few days.

I'll keep everyone updated on the progress.

73,
Skyler KD0WHB

From g0kla at arrl.net  Fri Nov 13 21:06:59 2015
From: g0kla at arrl.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:06:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Version 1.02
Message-ID: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>

FoxTelem Version 1.02 is now available for download.  Like the last
release, you can patch your installation by downloading the patch file.  In
this case it is a single file to replace.

You can download it from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/

Everyone should upgrade to 1.02 because this readies FoxTelem for
transition to the new Telemetry Server which will be more reliable.

Additionally this release fixes a number of issues and adds the ability to
download data from the Server to view/analyze in FoxTelem.  If you download
data, please make sure you save it into a separate directory to your local
data, otherwise you will over write it.  Of course frequent backups of your
data minimize this risk.

The release notes are below:

 * Fixed bug where opening the Fox-1A spacecraft menu would cause a crash
 * Added horizontal and vertical lines to the graphs if button clicked
 * Fixed Typo on measurements tab
 * Fixed a bug where UTC was not displayed for the Diagnostic tables
 * Capture the string version of the STP date in ENGLISH for all users, but
leave other dates in local language
 * Fixed bug where TCA date could be null and a SERIOUS error was reported
 * Fixed issue where the tabs were always refreshed when the spacecraft
menu closed
 * Fixed bug where UTC date was sometimes wrong on the spacecraft T0 panel
 * Ready FoxTelem for sending server data via TCP
 * Support downloading data from the server

-- 
Chris E. Thompson
chrisethompson at gmail.com
g0kla at arrl.net

From jimlist at zoho.com  Fri Nov 13 21:12:52 2015
From: jimlist at zoho.com (Jim Heck G3WGM)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:12:52 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-73/FUNcube-1 mode change
In-Reply-To: <160781.62abfb43.436008a2@aol.com>
References: <160781.62abfb43.436008a2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <091FDA55D69D42C9B6D256279D3E0246@jimPC2>

Hi folks,

  Just to say that I have just commanded AO-73/FUNcube-1 into continuous 
transponder mode. Plan as usual is to return it to auto eclipse switching on 
Sunday pm UTC.

  Have great weekend.

73s Jim G3WGM 



From kl0s at cox.net  Fri Nov 13 21:24:55 2015
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:24:55 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Version 1.02
In-Reply-To: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5CCFA86-4BF6-4FDA-B3D7-66F544EA06F3@cox.net>

Is there any possibility that the Mac version in the future will work without having to downgrade Java from V8 back to V6?  Since I?m not sure how that impacts on every other app that uses Java I?m reluctant to downgrade.

As I recall the first version in fact did work but once we went up to V1.01 the requirements changed and the app will not open without doing the downgrade.

Dino KL0S

> On Nov132015, at 1606 PM, Chris Thompson <g0kla at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> FoxTelem Version 1.02 is now available for download.  Like the last
> release, you can patch your installation by downloading the patch file.  In
> this case it is a single file to replace.
> 
> You can download it from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/
> 
> Everyone should upgrade to 1.02 because this readies FoxTelem for
> transition to the new Telemetry Server which will be more reliable.
> 
> Additionally this release fixes a number of issues and adds the ability to
> download data from the Server to view/analyze in FoxTelem.  If you download
> data, please make sure you save it into a separate directory to your local
> data, otherwise you will over write it.  Of course frequent backups of your
> data minimize this risk.
> 
> The release notes are below:
> 
> * Fixed bug where opening the Fox-1A spacecraft menu would cause a crash
> * Added horizontal and vertical lines to the graphs if button clicked
> * Fixed Typo on measurements tab
> * Fixed a bug where UTC was not displayed for the Diagnostic tables
> * Capture the string version of the STP date in ENGLISH for all users, but
> leave other dates in local language
> * Fixed bug where TCA date could be null and a SERIOUS error was reported
> * Fixed issue where the tabs were always refreshed when the spacecraft
> menu closed
> * Fixed bug where UTC date was sometimes wrong on the spacecraft T0 panel
> * Ready FoxTelem for sending server data via TCP
> * Support downloading data from the server
> 
> -- 
> Chris E. Thompson
> chrisethompson at gmail.com
> g0kla at arrl.net
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From burns at fisher.cc  Fri Nov 13 21:38:30 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:38:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Version 1.02
In-Reply-To: <D5CCFA86-4BF6-4FDA-B3D7-66F544EA06F3@cox.net>
References: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5CCFA86-4BF6-4FDA-B3D7-66F544EA06F3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxXzDbgWL83+duvB1dPY9G2LERURhfB8NEsQjOwCRfdkGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dino,

As  Mac user who was a field tester for this, I can tell you that the
"downgrade" causes no harm for me.  In fact, I'm pretty sure the older
version is in addition to the new one.  In other words the current version
of Java from Oracle is there as well as the "special" older version that
Apple used be the sole supplier for.  I have no idea how a program decides
which one to use, but I have both Java6 and Java 8 on my Mac now.  (I
accept no liability for any problem you might have, of course :-)

It seems to be a bit difficult for Chris, not having a Mac, to get it to
work with only the newer Oracle version, but of course that is the eventual
solution.

Burns W2BFJ

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Dino Papas <kl0s at cox.net> wrote:

> Is there any possibility that the Mac version in the future will work
> without having to downgrade Java from V8 back to V6?  Since I?m not sure
> how that impacts on every other app that uses Java I?m reluctant to
> downgrade.
>
> As I recall the first version in fact did work but once we went up to
> V1.01 the requirements changed and the app will not open without doing the
> downgrade.
>
> Dino KL0S
>
> > On Nov132015, at 1606 PM, Chris Thompson <g0kla at arrl.net> wrote:
> >
> > FoxTelem Version 1.02 is now available for download.  Like the last
> > release, you can patch your installation by downloading the patch file.
> In
> > this case it is a single file to replace.
> >
> > You can download it from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/
> >
> > Everyone should upgrade to 1.02 because this readies FoxTelem for
> > transition to the new Telemetry Server which will be more reliable.
> >
> > Additionally this release fixes a number of issues and adds the ability
> to
> > download data from the Server to view/analyze in FoxTelem.  If you
> download
> > data, please make sure you save it into a separate directory to your
> local
> > data, otherwise you will over write it.  Of course frequent backups of
> your
> > data minimize this risk.
> >
> > The release notes are below:
> >
> > * Fixed bug where opening the Fox-1A spacecraft menu would cause a crash
> > * Added horizontal and vertical lines to the graphs if button clicked
> > * Fixed Typo on measurements tab
> > * Fixed a bug where UTC was not displayed for the Diagnostic tables
> > * Capture the string version of the STP date in ENGLISH for all users,
> but
> > leave other dates in local language
> > * Fixed bug where TCA date could be null and a SERIOUS error was reported
> > * Fixed issue where the tabs were always refreshed when the spacecraft
> > menu closed
> > * Fixed bug where UTC date was sometimes wrong on the spacecraft T0 panel
> > * Ready FoxTelem for sending server data via TCP
> > * Support downloading data from the server
> >
> > --
> > Chris E. Thompson
> > chrisethompson at gmail.com
> > g0kla at arrl.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>

From daniel at destevez.net  Fri Nov 13 22:58:12 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:58:12 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Version 1.02
In-Reply-To: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56466B04.5010809@destevez.net>

El 13/11/15 a las 21:06, Chris Thompson escribi?:
> FoxTelem Version 1.02 is now available for download.  Like the last
> release, you can patch your installation by downloading the patch file.  In
> this case it is a single file to replace.

>  * Support downloading data from the server

Is the data download supposed to be currently working? I'm getting the
following error when trying to download the data:

"ERROR writing to the file /tmp/logs/serverlogs.tar.gz
http://www.amsat.org/tlm/ao85/serverlogs.tar.gz"

(Yes, I manually specified /tmp/logs/ as the log folder)

In fact, http://www.amsat.org/tlm/ao85/serverlogs.tar.gz gives me a 404.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.




From ka8qcu at pasty.net  Fri Nov 13 23:54:26 2015
From: ka8qcu at pasty.net (Doug Kuitula)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:54:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS
References: <007401d11e39$5078fad0$f16af070$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000a01d11e6e$a3a83240$6b354b0c@net>

Thanks Frank. And all the others who've  been involved in making ARISS a
success. It is appreciated.
73 de Doug KA8QCU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Bauer" <ka3hdo at verizon.net>
To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:32
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS


> All,
>
>
>
> 15 years ago today the ARISS team inaugurated the ham station on ISS with
> the first set of QSOs with the crew.  These contacts were conducted on
this
> date in Moscow, Russia Greenbelt, Maryland and Houston, Texas.  Lou
McFadin,
> W5DID and I were on the mic at the Greenbelt, Maryland location.
>
>
>
> Happy Anniversary ARISS!!
>
>
>
> 73,  Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO
>
> ARISS International Chair
>
> AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 00:01:19 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:01:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS
In-Reply-To: <000a01d11e6e$a3a83240$6b354b0c@net>
References: <007401d11e39$5078fad0$f16af070$@verizon.net>
	<000a01d11e6e$a3a83240$6b354b0c@net>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKOeG4MDa3GjP_WHZho8EyZxkAz=0Z84u0OVJ-wXhnYkLw@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats!
On Nov 13, 2015 6:53 PM, "Doug Kuitula" <ka8qcu at pasty.net> wrote:

> Thanks Frank. And all the others who've  been involved in making ARISS a
> success. It is appreciated.
> 73 de Doug KA8QCU
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Bauer" <ka3hdo at verizon.net>
> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:32
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS
>
>
> > All,
> >
> >
> >
> > 15 years ago today the ARISS team inaugurated the ham station on ISS with
> > the first set of QSOs with the crew.  These contacts were conducted on
> this
> > date in Moscow, Russia Greenbelt, Maryland and Houston, Texas.  Lou
> McFadin,
> > W5DID and I were on the mic at the Greenbelt, Maryland location.
> >
> >
> >
> > Happy Anniversary ARISS!!
> >
> >
> >
> > 73,  Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO
> >
> > ARISS International Chair
> >
> > AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From wcp2 at mchsi.com  Sat Nov 14 00:15:47 2015
From: wcp2 at mchsi.com (WCP)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:15:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
Message-ID: <6E0681B58D1148EAB58ABE9BD4FB6A92@CraigLaptop>

SatPc32 won?t run on Win 8.1 right?

From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Nov 14 00:17:56 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:17:56 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
In-Reply-To: <6E0681B58D1148EAB58ABE9BD4FB6A92@CraigLaptop>
References: <6E0681B58D1148EAB58ABE9BD4FB6A92@CraigLaptop>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOodkJK7hVo=_aknkzc9ecmWojYWXoLXPnaPdEWtEWWKTA@mail.gmail.com>

It runs fine on Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:15 PM, WCP <wcp2 at mchsi.com> wrote:
> SatPc32 won?t run on Win 8.1 right?
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From paulopv8dx at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 00:56:40 2015
From: paulopv8dx at gmail.com (Paulo PV8DX)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:56:40 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS
In-Reply-To: <BAY407-EAS24239F9108A657084C74450FE110@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY407-EAS24239F9108A657084C74450FE110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BDA8D075FF054D4D978A3994DC67D73C@PAULOPV8DXPC>

Hi

Congratulate this important day.

Successful project around the world.

I experimented with several students.
And also in the 13th, but in February 2014.
Expedition 37.
OR4ISS <> PV8DX
Long live ARISS
http://www.labre-rr.org/ariss.html


73 de Paulo PV8DX
LABRE/ARRL
AMSAT-BR/AMSAT-NA member
FJ92pt - VUCC SAT
www.labre-rr.org
Boa Vista-Roraima
pv8dx at labre-rr.org
pv8dx at arrl.net

-----Mensagem Original----- 
From: Tim N8DEU
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:36 PM
To: Frank Bauer ; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS

Great job!

Happy Anniversary ARISS !



Tim - N8DEU

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Frank Bauer<mailto:ka3hdo at verizon.net>
Sent: ?11/?13/?2015 11:33 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org<mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historic Date for ARISS

All,



15 years ago today the ARISS team inaugurated the ham station on ISS with
the first set of QSOs with the crew.  These contacts were conducted on this
date in Moscow, Russia Greenbelt, Maryland and Houston, Texas.  Lou McFadin,
W5DID and I were on the mic at the Greenbelt, Maryland location.



Happy Anniversary ARISS!!



73,  Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO

ARISS International Chair

AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs



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From g0kla at arrl.net  Sat Nov 14 03:33:28 2015
From: g0kla at arrl.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:33:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Version 1.02
In-Reply-To: <56466B04.5010809@destevez.net>
References: <CAJOf0+vg2_A8sMJtOQS6nDr+7aSy0kbSj7LWH+21itJvW0iqBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56466B04.5010809@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <CAJOf0+tbSZ6V+ew3h-kemz5_nxUG2P55-1n2Juvts6B3v27xtw@mail.gmail.com>

The server download will hopefully be operational over the weekend.  It is
tied to standing up the new server.

73
Chris

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net> wrote:

> El 13/11/15 a las 21:06, Chris Thompson escribi?:
> > FoxTelem Version 1.02 is now available for download.  Like the last
> > release, you can patch your installation by downloading the patch file.
> In
> > this case it is a single file to replace.
>
> >  * Support downloading data from the server
>
> Is the data download supposed to be currently working? I'm getting the
> following error when trying to download the data:
>
> "ERROR writing to the file /tmp/logs/serverlogs.tar.gz
> http://www.amsat.org/tlm/ao85/serverlogs.tar.gz"
>
> (Yes, I manually specified /tmp/logs/ as the log folder)
>
> In fact, http://www.amsat.org/tlm/ao85/serverlogs.tar.gz gives me a 404.
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
>
>
>
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From daniel at destevez.net  Sat Nov 14 10:48:03 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:48:03 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM sats from IO95-IO94 gridline on Sunday 15
Message-ID: <56471163.7060300@destevez.net>

Hi,

Weather permitting, I plan to be operating tomorrow Sunday 15 as M0HXM/P
from the gridline IO95HA-IO94HX. I guess that IO95 is a rare grid for
many people, because there are no major populations in this grid. Also,
I hear that IO94 is no so common.

I will be working from South Shields beach using a handheld arrow
antenna, FT-817ND for RX and FT-2DE for TX. I'm planning on getting
there either for the 9:32UTC SO-50 or the 10:32 AO-85 pass. Then I'll be
on several of the passes of AO-85 and SO-50, probably until 14:10 at least.

Please, keep in mind several things:

1) This will be done weather permitting. If it starts raining a lot,
I'll cancel. Tomorrow's forecast is a bit doubtful, but in principle it
won't rain during the hours I'll be operating.

2) I don't always get well to AO-85 with this setup, so please bare with
me. As I'm full duplex, I know what got on and what didn't, so I'll try
my best to retransmit what didn't.

3) Recall that exchanging a grid locator is not necessary for a valid
contact. To keep things running fast, please don't transmit your grid
locator if it is the same that you have listed on qrz.com. I won't be
transmitting my full locator. I will only transmit IO95-IO94 very
sparingly as I see fit.

Updates to this will be posted to amsat-bb if I'm at home (I don't have
an internet connection outside home) and you can also keep an eye for
M0HXM-7 in aprs.fi.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From kayakfishtx at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 14:20:22 2015
From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:20:22 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P EL16, EL15, EL06 - November 2015
Message-ID: <CAPovOwfp0EtSZyexnTW-rR1tBU=gBr+WbgwujikOTx=OSo4eZw@mail.gmail.com>

November 22-26 I will operate portable from South Padre Island, Texas
in EL16.  I plan to operate several passes a day from EL15, covering
the southernmost tip of Texas.  An operation from EL06 is possible
sometime in the beginning of that week.  You can follow my operation
on Twitter  @w5pfg starting November 21.  It's possible I will operate
once or twice while en route.

I will try to work as many different satellites as possible.  I tend
to favor FO-29, typically 15-20 kHz above the center of the
transponder.

73
Clayton
W5PFG

From yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 11:03:46 2015
From: yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com (Suryono Adisoemarta)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:03:46 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS test on IO-86
Message-ID: <42A16202-3115-4B5C-A0EF-AC7C2537C5BF@yahoo.com>

Another test on IO-86 Satellite, APRS:

Date: 15 Nov 2015
Time: 02.00 UTC till 04.10 UTC (1 complete circle around the globe)

Freq: 145.825 MHz 
APRS Path: YBSAT

All licensed amateur are encouraged to test this satellite, and reports are welcome.

If, you happen to see ISS close by, then you can try the "double sat hopping", by using the following Path "YBSAT,ARISS".

73 de Yono - YD0NXX / N5SNN

Sent from my iPhone 5s


From quadpugh at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 14 16:03:19 2015
From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:03:19 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9600 bps decoder
Message-ID: <00ac01d11ef5$fbb1f660$f315e320$@bellsouth.net>

What is the best 9600 bps decoder to use with SDR# and win XP?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

nick

Office   337 593 8700

Cell      337 258 2527

 

Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School

Disagree I Learn

 

 


From ec4tr.luis at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 17:10:05 2015
From: ec4tr.luis at gmail.com (EC4TR Luis)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:10:05 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
In-Reply-To: <6E0681B58D1148EAB58ABE9BD4FB6A92@CraigLaptop>
References: <6E0681B58D1148EAB58ABE9BD4FB6A92@CraigLaptop>
Message-ID: <56476AED.9070105@gmail.com>

Hi
mine is working like a charm in W 8.1
73 Luis
EC4TR

El 14/11/2015 a las 1:15, WCP escribi?:
> SatPc32 won?t run on Win 8.1 right?
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From g0kla at arrl.net  Sat Nov 14 22:05:29 2015
From: g0kla at arrl.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:05:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fox Telemetry Server Upgraded Today
Message-ID: <CAJOf0+tG=a=AmNNnf0DV2ECdZgv5djQz=gL7w0pQP3EcWhQ3zQ@mail.gmail.com>

We have had some issues collecting data from FoxTelem and storing it on the
AMSAT  server.  Many thanks to those who sent reports and helped us
troubleshoot the issues.  We have now migrated to a new server that should
be more reliable.  We have also reprocessed all of the received telemetry.
You should see your totals increased on the new leader board as a result.
The new server also throws away any duplicates or test records, so you may
see your total adjusted accordingly.

The leader board is in the same place at http://www.amsat.org/tlm/

If you are running the latest version of FoxTelem (Version 1.02) then you
do not need to do anything.  It should automatically cut over and start
sending to the new server.  You can also force it to read the new server
parameters by restarting.

If you are running an older version of FoxTelem and can not upgrade at this
time, then uncheck "Use UDP" on the Settings screen.  The primary server
should be tlm.amsat.org

Please let me know any issues that you see, including missed telemetry.

73
Chris

-- 
Chris E. Thompson
chrisethompson at gmail.com
g0kla at arrl.net

From af5cc2 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 02:52:56 2015
From: af5cc2 at gmail.com (John Geiger)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:52:56 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS: Kenwood TM-V7A dualband full duplex 2m/70cm radio
Message-ID: <CAHC1P2_1wtsQhbx+9m+1KcccndYCqG_A4uVhQQXbuUHzCj2d5Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am selling a Kenwood TM-V7A 2m/70cm FM transceiver which I picked up off
of ebay recently. Does 50 watts on 2m and 35 watts on 70cm.  Also does dual
receive and crossband repeat.  I have been using it on the satellites with
good results recently.  Does full duplex as well, and has a very sensitive
receiver, one of the best measured by the ARRL in their QST reviews (I
think the Kenwood TM-251A was the only one to beat it).

The display does have some lines in it (common for this model) but it is
perfectly readable.  Also, the volume knobs (one for each band) are
missing, but I just hooked a pair of alligator clips to the shafts and that
works fine.  The rings for squelch are there.  I will include the alligator
clamps as well.

It comes with a mic and short power cord.  I am asking $100 plus shipping
for it.  Would trade it for a multiband HT like a Yaesu VX6R or something
like that.

73 John AF5CC

From ku4os at cfl.rr.com  Sun Nov 15 03:27:35 2015
From: ku4os at cfl.rr.com (Lee McLamb)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 22:27:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-319 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <5647FBA7.2080402@cfl.rr.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-319

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* EO-79 CubeSat Update
* QB50 Frequency Table
* Newsline Interview With ISS First School Contact Teacher
* Signal Reports Requested From IO-86 FM Transponder Test
* ARISS Contact Featured in ARRL Radio Waves Newsletter
* McMurdo completes MEOSAR satellite ground station in New Zealand


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-319.01
ANS-319 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 319.01
  From AMSAT HQ Kensington, MD.
November 15, 2015
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-319.01

EO-79 CubeSat Update

Wouter Weggelaar PA3WEG has provided this update on the status and plans for
QB50p1 ? EO-79.

Earlier testing campaigns indicate that the AMSAT-UK/AMSAT-NL transponder on
board of this spacecraft is in good health. We have activated the 
transponder on
various occasions for testing purposes.

At the moment we believe the power system is capable of sustaining 
transponder
operations indefinitely. ISIS (the satellite designer and operator) 
still needs
to write and apply a software patch that would keep the transponder 
running. The
current logic in the satellite will switch off the transponder if a 
reset occurs
of the On Board Computer or power system.

Efforts are being made to allow usage of the transponder in the mean 
time and
also allow select command stations to take the satellite out of safe 
mode if it
does reset. ISIS will continue to monitor all telemetry and the satellites
health.

The precursor satellites have gathered valuable data about the sensor 
payloads,
and the lessons learnt are being implemented in the flight units for the 
QB50
main mission.

We will still have to wait until procedures are in place and the 
activation is
cleared by the operator and owners of the satellite, but we are nearly 
ready for
the activation of another transponder!

Transponder activations will be announced on the AMSAT Bulletin Board.

On behalf of AMSAT-NL and the ISIS operations team I would like to thank the
community for supporting our mission and thank you for your patience.

[ANS thanks Wouter, PA3WEG, for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


QB50 Frequency Table

Here is a link worth keeping an eye on as the QB50 launch in 2016 gets
closer. JE9PEL has a page documenting the frequencies of the 50 cubesats at:

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/qb50sats.htm

[ANS thanks Mineo Wakita, JE9PEL, for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsline Interview With ISS First School Contact Teacher

This week?s Amateur Radio Newsline Report 1985 November 13, 2015 includes an
interview with Rita Wright, KC9CDL, the science teacher who was lucky 
enough to
help her students be chosen to talk with ISS astronaut William M. ?Shep?
Shepherd, KD5GSL, for the first school contact with the International Space
Station.

Amateur Radio Newsline has this week?s bulletins posted at:

http://www.arnewsline.org/news/2015/11/13/amateur-radio-newsline-report-1985-
november-13-2015.html

Select ?Script? or ?Audio? to access the newscast as desired.

[ANS thanks the Amateur Radio Newsline for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


Signal Reports Requested From IO-86 FM Transponder Test

The FM transponder aboard IO-86/LAPAN-ORARI was activated for testing, 
and was
available for amateur radio use on 14 November 2015 between 01:35 UTC - 
03:40
UTC. This satellite is in a 6? inclination orbit so only stations in 
equatorial
regions have access. Station in far southern United States may have access.

+ Uplink:   145.880Mhz with 88.5 Hz tone
+ Downlink: 435.880 Mhz

If you heard IO-86 or had any contacts please e-mail signal reports to
yd1eee at gmail.com

The two-line Keplerian elements are:

IO-86
1 40931U 15052B   15316.15776324  .00001070  00000-0  60618-4 0 9994
2 40931   6.0030  69.3893 0012877 275.6206  84.2533 14.76374433 6653

These are also included in the keps download available from www.amsat.org

[ANS thanks Dirgantara Rahadian. YE0EEE for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


ARISS Contact Featured in ARRL Radio Waves Newsletter

The American Radio Relay League's Fall 2015 issue of "Radio Waves", a 
newsletter
for teachers, license instructors, and radio science education features 
coverage
of the ARISS contact with Tulsa Community College. The PDF issue can be 
accessed
at:
http://www.arrl.org/radio-waves

[ANS thanks the ARRL for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


McMurdo completes MEOSAR satellite ground station in New Zealand


The legacy of AMSAT OSCAR 6 & 7 in demonstrating satellite based Doppler
location of ground transmitters for search-and-rescue operations in the 
1970s
set the stage for the Cospas-Sarsat system which is now entering into 
the next
stage of evolution.

McMurdo's next-generation MEOSAR satellite ground station system 
installation in
New Zealand will reduce rescue times in one of the world's most active 
search
and rescue regions.

McMurdo has announced that it has completed the installation of a 
six-antenna
next-generation Medium-Earth Orbit Search and Rescue (MEOSAR) satellite 
ground
station system in New Zealand.

The project, which is part of a joint initiative with Maritime New 
Zealand and
the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, is expected to significantly boost
search and rescue capability in the New Zealand and Australia search 
regions and
marks the first implementation of MEOSAR in Asia Pacific. MEOSAR is the 
next-
generation version of Cospas-Sarsat, the international search and rescue
satellite system that has helped to save 37,000 lives since 1982.

In a typical satellite-based search and rescue scenario, ships, aircraft or
individuals transmit distress signals from an emergency location beacon via
satellite to a fixed ground receiving station or local user terminal. 
The ground
station receives and calculates the location of the distress signal and 
creates
and sends an alert to the appropriate rescue authorities.

Today, the beacon-to-alert process depends on a limited number of Low Earth
Orbit (LEO) satellites and may take several hours before a position is
confirmed. With MEOSAR, beacon signals will be received more quickly and 
beacon
locations identified with greater accuracy thereby reducing this time to
minutes.

The New Zealand MEOSAR system, and another being installed in Western 
Australia,
will cover one of the largest search and rescue areas in the world - 
from north
of Australia/New Zealand to the Equator and south to the South Pole, east to
half way across the Pacific, and west half way across the Indian Ocean. The
systems will undergo rigorous testing before being officially brought 
online in
late 2017 by Cospas-Sarsat.

[ANS thanks SpaceDaily for the above information]


/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Lee McLamb, KU4OS
ku4os at amsat dot org


From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 15 10:35:11 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:35:11 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova question
Message-ID: <14B49B7D69714F9DB5B5750F075DDB8D@allgood.local>

Hi All,

I have been a NOVA user for many years but I know find that, when it is set 
up to drive the rotator to track FUNcube-1, at start up I get a Nova message 
box that says ? List index out of bounds (0) " - this comes up immediately, 
before the prog starts to update the keps, and the rotator operation is very 
unreliable.

I am using W10 machine and a  LVB tracker box with its built in USB 
converter.

Any suggestions about a cure would be much appreciated...

thanks

Graham
G3VZV


From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sun Nov 15 14:16:53 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:16:53 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 closed 1519-1533Z
Message-ID: <162001d11fb0$46fe4870$d4fad950$@com>

On the 1519-1533Z pass of AO-85, please refrain from uplinking. We have a
glitch in the IHU we need to clear. Do not transmit during this time please,
but do try to collect low speed telemetry.

 

73, Drew KO4MA


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 16:49:20 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:49:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ste. Genevieve Catholic ISS Audio as heard in Raleigh, NC
Message-ID: <CALn0fKN_uB24sxw=RDsjqfrqzjVg4A7dWWQHr+m+e=HApA2K6Q@mail.gmail.com>

https://soundcloud.com/spacecomms/space-station-ste-genevieve-catholic-contact-reception-in-raleigh-nc

73, KG4AKV

From daniel at destevez.net  Sun Nov 15 17:43:42 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:43:42 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM sats from IO95-IO94 gridline on Sunday 15
In-Reply-To: <56471163.7060300@destevez.net>
References: <56471163.7060300@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <5648C44E.6090302@destevez.net>

El 14/11/15 a las 10:48, Daniel Est?vez escribi?:
> Hi,
> 
> Weather permitting, I plan to be operating tomorrow Sunday 15 as M0HXM/P
> from the gridline IO95HA-IO94HX. I guess that IO95 is a rare grid for
> many people, because there are no major populations in this grid. Also,
> I hear that IO94 is no so common.

The gridline operation went quite well. It only rained very little. The
following stations were worked:

SO-50:
2E0ICL, CU2ZG, DC6DA, DO2SYD, EA1JM, EA4CYQ, EI5KJ, EU4CK, F8AIP,
IZ5TEP, M0NPT, UR3CTB

AO-85:
DG1EA, F6GLJ, LY1R, PB0AHX

The log is already uploaded to LoTW.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.


From quadpugh at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov 15 17:55:33 2015
From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:55:33 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] foxtelem.exe 1.02
Message-ID: <01e801d11fce$d4b5e6f0$7e21b4d0$@bellsouth.net>

I am using an SDR receiver with output on VAC1 running in XP.I am unable to
get foxtelem to see the input . Help

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

nick

Office   337 593 8700

Cell      337 258 2527

 

Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School

Disagree I Learn

 

 


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 23:36:57 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 18:36:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kjell Lindgren tweeted a congrats pic for ARISS's 15
	year anniversary!
Message-ID: <CALn0fKN2hYpuWc4SktdSv9LstKnFi6D+nCL5yaW70dxFxsj7vQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://twitter.com/astro_kjell/status/665993147260932096

From ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp  Mon Nov 16 00:19:23 2015
From: ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp (Mineo Wakita)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:19:23 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9600 bps decoder
Message-ID: <05B29E7837D94DD9A46DE5C11C4110B3@je9pel>


Soundmodem ... hs_soundmodem3.zip
               http://uz7.ho.ua/packetradio.htm
or
MixW ... MixW 2.20f
         http://mixw.net/

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita


From g0kla at arrl.net  Mon Nov 16 00:44:50 2015
From: g0kla at arrl.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:44:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] foxtelem.exe 1.02
In-Reply-To: <01e801d11fce$d4b5e6f0$7e21b4d0$@bellsouth.net>
References: <01e801d11fce$d4b5e6f0$7e21b4d0$@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CAJOf0+str5Bq8hd3GHiqy6XhBirrJzYpudAwo0WA1MmPgWdyDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nick,

Let us know what you setup and we can try to help.  This is probably a VAC
setup issue.  Does the cable work in other situations?  Can you set the
output of your SDR to one end and record the audio from the other end, for
example?

Chris

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Nick Pugh <quadpugh at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I am using an SDR receiver with output on VAC1 running in XP.I am unable to
> get foxtelem to see the input . Help
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> nick
>
> Office   337 593 8700
>
> Cell      337 258 2527
>
>
>
> Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School
>
> Disagree I Learn
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



-- 
Chris E. Thompson
chrisethompson at gmail.com
g0kla at arrl.net

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 04:05:59 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 23:05:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] My SO-50 Multicam video with stations heard list
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNAGHFeUUF6ELijOVLYs_fvXvR4kppzkPpVZv5-SV2p+g@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhBs5DlKaVU

Stations Heard
. = tried to contact, * = contacted
01:54 KD2IIC EM31 LA * at 04:40 (emailed me later saying he heard me)
02:00 KG5FQT EL49 LA
02:15 N4UFO  EM95 NC * at 05:30
03:35 KM4FLJ EM66 TN
03:58 KA4H   FM17 VA * at 06:33
04:05 K0OU   EM28 MO * at 05:51
05:18 ???GBR
06:15 AC9JU  EN44 WI
08:02 KD2IQN FN21 NY
08:29 KI4RO (barely audible)
08:31 WD8RIF EM89 OH
08:48 KI4RO  EM88 WV . at 08:51
09:06 ?4FLJ
09:17 WA2PJP FN30 NY ./* at 09:23

73,

John KG4AKV

From dwarnberg at verizon.net  Mon Nov 16 18:48:10 2015
From: dwarnberg at verizon.net (David)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:48:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9100
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKNAGHFeUUF6ELijOVLYs_fvXvR4kppzkPpVZv5-SV2p+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALn0fKNAGHFeUUF6ELijOVLYs_fvXvR4kppzkPpVZv5-SV2p+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c901d1209f$5a48bba0$0eda32e0$@net>

For those that are interested, I am going to simplify and just get down to
one rig so I have decided to part with my 9100, it's was just purchased
3/12/2015

http://swap.qth.com/send-to-friend.php?counter=1231124

Contact me for further details or if you are interested 

73's
David
KK4QOE



From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Mon Nov 16 20:30:31 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:30:31 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO hunt from HM77fr
In-Reply-To: <00c901d1209f$5a48bba0$0eda32e0$@net>
References: <CALn0fKNAGHFeUUF6ELijOVLYs_fvXvR4kppzkPpVZv5-SV2p+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<00c901d1209f$5a48bba0$0eda32e0$@net>
Message-ID: <564A3CE7.6000901@dutrasousa.name>

Hi all,

I'm on a daily hunt for QSOs west of my location.

Here are my plans for this week:

Wednesday 18th at 19:25 UTC on a AO-7 looking for US and Canadian calls
specially those around the line from Manitoba, North Dakota down to
Texas. Any South/Central American calls are also very welcome!
Same on Friday 18th around 19:17 UTC.
Daily evening passes of XW-2F looking for East Coast.
Daily late night passes of AO-73.
SO-50 on Saturday at 13:50 UTC and 15:30 UTC, and again on Sunday at
14:10 UTC, for those seeking FM contact to Europe.
Weekends, occasionally, on FO-29.

On linear sats you can find me, as always, on center frequency +2kHz.

Looking forward!

73 de Pedro CU2ZG
HM77fr

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From eromagni at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 01:14:35 2015
From: eromagni at gmail.com (The Romagni's)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:14:35 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale - Arrow II Sat Antenna with Duplexer.
Message-ID: <CAHyAO8gj0i_2SVZwWqWJbZ7TL9-vgAOQwGJDeoF0j-QYMESxeg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all..

Now that the winter is getting here, and that the fix satellite station is
now up in running at the chateau, I don?t have a need for this!.

I have for sale a pretty much new Arrow II Satellite antenna (with the
2mts/70 cm duplexer). you can see details here (
http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/146-437.html) .

Arrow sells the whole kit for $142, you can have this for $100 and I will
include the shipping to you!




73

Steve
W4DTA

From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 04:09:26 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:09:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-17 04:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <89afd.11f544c9.437c0276@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-17  04:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Kiluutaq School, Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada,  telebridge via W6SRJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH 
Contact is a go for:  Tue 2015-11-17 16:47:02 UTC 41 deg

Scuola Media Statale ?G.  Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy, And, Scuola 
Secondaria di Primo Grado ?Benedetto  Croce?, Civate, Italy, telebridge via 
VE4ISS (***)
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***)
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS (***)
Contact is a go for: Tue 2015-11-24 09:01:15 UTC 64 deg  (***)

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS  (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go: Tue 2015-11-24 09:01:15  UTC 64 deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-17 04:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1008.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 973. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-13 08:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 17 13:09:10 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:09:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in safe mode
Message-ID: <8C2DD081-5C2A-4665-9B57-2CB9063850FA@mindspring.com>

AO-85 will be in safe mode for at least one orbit today, and possibly until this evening. If you hear it in transponder mode, feel free to use it.

73, Drew KO4MA

Sent from my iPhone

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Tue Nov 17 17:29:52 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:29:52 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tri-City ARA presentation/demos, last night
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUfOb6p-n19iag1E5ykpEdzXkLK78NRo5orimCq4ZtqGYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I spent last night with the Tri-City Amateur Radio Association in Goodyear,
a west-side suburb of Phoenix. The club invited me to give a presentation
on satellites and AMSAT, and I was also able to demonstrate a couple of our
satellites launched recently (LilacSat-2, AO-85) before and into the
official start of the meeting. Even with a gotcha related to the
presentation, it was a good evening. Being able to have demonstrations on
two FM satellites, and neither of them being SO-50, was something very
different - and fun!

I made it out to the meeting site, which was about an hour's drive from my
house on the east side of metro Phoenix, with time to spare. I took my time
setting up my gear for the two demonstration passes. As I was setting up,
several club members watched me and asked questions about my equipment.
Many had their HTs, and I kept reminding them to be ready to listen to the
AO-85 pass around 7pm (0200 UTC), as they might be able to hear that
downlink without having to use a larger antenna. I used only my IC-2820H
dual-band mobile radio to work LilacSat-2 at 5W, then added my SDRplay SDR
receiver with my 8-inch Windows 10 tablet for the AO-85 pass.

LilacSat-2 came by around 6.20pm (0120 UTC), and there were only three of
us on that pass. Thanks to Glenn AA5PK in west Texas and Fernando NP4JV in
southern Arizona for the contacts during that pass. After LilacSat-2 went
behind trees and buildings to my north, I rewired my setup so the SDRplay
was connected through a diplexer to my Elk antenna, and connected my
external speaker to the tablet through an audio splitter.

Since the AO-85 pass was coming by at the normal 7pm start time of the
club's monthly meeting, it was decided that the demonstration would serve
as the start of the meeting. "Problem" solved. :-) This pass went almost
directly overhead, and we were hearing activity as soon as the satellite
came up above the trees and buildings northwest of the meeting site. I
also found that my Windows tablet doesn't have enough audio to drive an
external speaker, earbuds I could use to hear the downlink, and my Sony
audio recorder, so I unplugged the audio splitter and relied on the small
speakers in the tablet. I worked a few stations during the pass, and
copied a total of 15 data frames that have been uploaded to the AMSAT
server. I will update my logbook and upload contacts from these two passes
to Logbook of the World tonight. The RF recording from this pass, along
with some photos, have been uploaded to the "20151117-AO85_Fox1A" folder
in my Dropbox space: http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/

During the AO-85 pass, several club members mentioned they could hear the
145.980 MHz FM downlink. A couple had HTs with long duckie antennas, and
a couple had the stock duckies for their HTs. These might not have worked
for making contacts during the pass, but being able to hear the downlink
without using a larger antenna impressed everyone. The crowd was also
impressed with the activity on the pass, and seeing how my SDR receive
setup copied the downlink.

After AO-85 went by, I packed up my gear as the club went inside the
building to have their monthly business meeting. When I went inside, the
business meeting had just concluded, and they were ready for my
presentation. One slight problem... the projector in the meeting room had
a DisplayPort cable on it, and nobody had a computer that could use that
video connector, or an adapter to allow that to work with other video
outputs like HDMI or VGA. Working around that, I gave my presentation, and
then e-mailed the PDF version of the slideshow to the club for
distribution to its members.

Thanks to the Bob Nobis N7RJN and the Tri-City Amateur Radio Association
for the invitation to speak at their meeting last night, along with giving
the demonstrations on LilacSat-2 and AO-85. Of course, thanks to the
stations on those two passes for calling WD9EWK and being part of the
activities.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 19:25:42 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:25:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-17 19:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <981b7.75df101d.437cd936@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-17  19:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Kiluutaq School, Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada,  telebridge via W6SRJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH 
Contact was  successful: Tue 2015-11-17 16:47:02 UTC 41 deg (***)

Scuola Media  Statale ?G. Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy, And, Scuola 
Secondaria di Primo  Grado ?Benedetto Croce?, Civate, Italy, telebridge via 
VE4ISS
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go for: Tue 2015-11-24 09:01:15 UTC 64  deg

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell  Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25 UTC 78 deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-17 19:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1009. (***)
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 974.  (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-17 19:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From kx9x at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 19:58:03 2015
From: kx9x at yahoo.com (Sean K.)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:58:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Audio of today's ARISS QSO with
References: <410676626.5243642.1447790283783.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <410676626.5243642.1447790283783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all-
Does anybody have audio of the ARISS QSO today with the Kiluutaq School, in Quebec?
CBC radio is asking for some audio for a news story on the event.
?Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X

From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 20:03:18 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 15:03:18 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Audio of today's ARISS QSO with
Message-ID: <992f6.25ade452.437ce205@aol.com>

John AG9D sent that file out after the contact.
73,
Charlie AJ9N
 
 
In a message dated 11/17/2015 11:58:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
amsat-bb at amsat.org writes:

Hi  all-
Does anybody have audio of the ARISS QSO today with the Kiluutaq  School, 
in Quebec?
CBC radio is asking for some audio for a news story on  the event.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio  KX9X
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Tue Nov 17 22:55:34 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:55:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM QSLs Received
Message-ID: <CABzOSOo33rV6Uxw8fXa4Xsg57+=CcJrXpKxRc4zPqmvWtAe9sg@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening,

In today's mail I received confirmations from Yuri's manager, UX0FY, for
all of our QSOs to date.

I had sent my original request after my first QSOs with Yuri in November
2013 - February 2014. After following up, Eugene, UX0FY, told me that he
did not have the logs for that trip and I ended up receiving confirmations
for those QSOs directly from Yuri during his 2015 voyage. I was surprised
(but very happy) to receive this envelope today.

This seems to indicate that UX0FY now has all of Yuri's logs to date, so
you may wish to send a request if you need any QSLs.

73,

Paul, N8HM

From gwhink41 at msn.com  Wed Nov 18 02:29:51 2015
From: gwhink41 at msn.com (george hinkle)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:29:51 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] rotor help
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP1503AD3E829375640B819DBD41C0@phx.gbl>

I've taken my trusty rotors for new and improved "AlfaSpid". I've had them for nearly a year and just getting around to putting them up. I had them working fine with SatPC32 and ground tested them for over a week when I got them. Well I can't get them to work and I've lost me notes. 
Anyone who may know the "AlfaApid" rotors that could help me it would be awesome. I've been waiting for some other problems with the antenna and had to take every thing down. So now is the time to put the new rotors on.
george wi9i

gwhink41 at msn.com

be very grateful for any help

From mccardelm at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 03:09:23 2015
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:09:23 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS 321 AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN - AO-85
 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations
Message-ID: <CAM5+sotFdKrjCyZDJCRHSuJ9wF_Zx1AXJVqhFDSqcZPqsUFyRg@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN
ANS-321

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* AO-85 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations

SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-321.01
ANS-321 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 321.01
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
November 17, 2015
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-321.01


AO-85 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations

AO-85 has been formally commissioned and turned over to AMSAT
Operations, who are now responsible for the scheduling and modes.

The following guidelines are provided for users:

Uplink power should be on the order of minimum 200 W EIRP for full
quieting at lower antenna elevation angles. Your mileage may vary.
With an Arrow, 5 W has been used successfully to make contacts.

Polarity is important. The satellite antennas are linear. So, if you
are using linearly polarized antennas, you will need to adjust
throughout the pass. Full duplex operation facilitates these
adjustments while transmitting and is highly recommended.

The downlink is very strong and should be heard well with almost any
antenna.

Downlink audio is 5 kHz deviation, as expected. Many will perceive
that the audio is "low." This is an effect of the filtering below 300
Hz, which provides for the DUV telemetry, coupled with any noise on
the uplink signal resulting from lack of full quieting or being off
frequency. That makes for less fidelity than a typical receiver in
terms of audio frequencies passed.

Transmit (downlink) frequency varies with temperature.  Due to the
wide range of temperatures we are seeing in the eclipse cycle, the
transmitter can be anywhere from around 500 Hz low at 10?C to near 2
kHz low at 40?C.

Receive frequency has been generally agreed to be about 435.170 MHz,
although the AFC makes that hard to pin down and also helps with the
uplinks that are off frequency.

Probably the most notable observations about AO-85 are an apparent
lack of sensitivity and difficulty in turning on the repeater with
the 67 Hz CTCSS when it is not yet activated, or holding it on by the
presence of the CTCSS.  We have determined a probable cause for the
sensitivity issue and while that can't be fixed on AO-85 we are
taking steps to prevent similar issues on the rest of the Fox-1
CubeSats.  The tone detection threshold along with the receive
sensitivity issue makes it hard to bring up the repeater.  This is
being addressed by adjusting the values for a valid tone detection in
the other Fox-1 CubeSats now that we have on orbit information about
temperatures and power budget.  Full details will be in the Nov/Dec
AMSAT Journal.

It is important to remember that science is the reason behind the
Fox-1 satellites. Not only does science help with the launch cost, it
provides a great amount of educational value both from the science
payload and in amateur radio itself. The data-under-voice (DUV)
telemetry is an excellent way to provide the science without
sacrificing the use of the satellite for communications, which would
be the case if higher speed downlinks were needed. DUV provides
constant science as long as the repeater is in use, which in turn
provides more downlink data for the science - a mutually beneficial
combination.

Fox-1A is AMSAT-NA's first CubeSat. Many new techniques are
incorporated and lessons will be learned, as with any new "product."
The Fox-1 Project is a series of CubeSats. A total of five will be
built and flown. Launches are scheduled for three more, and a new
NASA CubeSat Launch Initiative proposal will be submitted for the
fifth. We will incorporate changes from what we learn in each launch,
to the extent possible, in subsequent Fox-1 CubeSats.

Of the four NASA sponsored CubeSats on the ELaNa XII launch October
8, we are sad to report that ARC1 was never heard from and BisonSat
was lost after a few weeks of operation. AMSAT extends our deepest
sympathy to the people who worked so hard on these projects. To our
members, we want to say that the Fox Team is very proud and pleased
that our first CubeSat is very successful and hopefully will be for
some time.

[ANS thanks Jerry NoJY for the above information]


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/EX

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Office.

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Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
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73,
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EMike McCardel, KC8YLD
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From osbornes at paradise.net.nz  Wed Nov 18 03:12:48 2015
From: osbornes at paradise.net.nz (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 16:12:48 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw:  9600 bps decoder
Message-ID: <0F85922055D64D2F94083AB14941F3ED@OsbornesPC>



-----Original Message----- 
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:51 PM
To: Nick Pugh
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 9600 bps decoder

Hi Nick,

I used AGWPE and AGW On Line Kiss.
The setup was a bit complicated.
See:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyoro5ii80w4913/Installation.doc?dl=0
For the instructions on how to set it up.

I tried Sound Modem with no success. It flashed the lights but didn't decode
anything.
I didn't try MixW.

Hope this helps.

73,

Terry Osborne
ZL2BAC


-----Original Message----- 
From: Nick Pugh
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 5:03 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9600 bps decoder

What is the best 9600 bps decoder to use with SDR# and win XP?











Thanks



nick

Office   337 593 8700

Cell      337 258 2527



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From twdeckard at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 18 03:29:02 2015
From: twdeckard at earthlink.net (Todd W. Deckard)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:29:02 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Will the power issues on the ISS affect the ARISS
	station?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2659.1447816187.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.2659.1447816187.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <24597E27-90F5-4B33-992D-0E7C8946FD08@earthlink.net>

Greetings all,

The ISS appears to still be up on data.  Is there any chance the power issues will cause them to turn off the ARISS radio?

Regards
Todd KE0CMD

From danielgrinkevich at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 04:30:37 2015
From: danielgrinkevich at gmail.com (Daniel J. Grinkevich)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:30:37 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Will the power issues on the ISS affect the ARISS
	station?
In-Reply-To: <24597E27-90F5-4B33-992D-0E7C8946FD08@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.2659.1447816187.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<24597E27-90F5-4B33-992D-0E7C8946FD08@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAK1DEvtfihB-d4NTuNLkjtN6ecD23bwy85qYJwwgSjPoNZhqDQ@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like they have everything still on full power.

*On Friday afternoon (11:55 am Houston Time), power channel 1B experienced
an electrical event that telemetry points to a fault in the power channel?s
Sequential Shunt Unit [SSU]. An SSU is responsible for regulating the power
voltage levels generated by the solar arrays before it is passed to systems
downstream,? NASA?s Dan Hout told SpaceFlight Insider. ?A seamless power
transfer was performed to recover loads from channel 1B to channel 1A.
Currently operating on seven of eight power channels, no impact to station
systems or operations. Crew was never in any danger.*

Source:
http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/iss/iss-encounters-power-failure-cant-be-fixed-until-2016/

Live telem: http://isslive.com/displays/spartanDisplay1.html

Dan

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Todd W. Deckard <twdeckard at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> The ISS appears to still be up on data.  Is there any chance the power
> issues will cause them to turn off the ARISS radio?
>
> Regards
> Todd KE0CMD
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From the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp  Wed Nov 18 04:39:29 2015
From: the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp (J. Boyd (JR2TTS))
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:39:29 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Will the power issues on the ISS affect the ARISS
	station?
In-Reply-To: <CAK1DEvtfihB-d4NTuNLkjtN6ecD23bwy85qYJwwgSjPoNZhqDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24597E27-90F5-4B33-992D-0E7C8946FD08@earthlink.net>
	<CAK1DEvtfihB-d4NTuNLkjtN6ecD23bwy85qYJwwgSjPoNZhqDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151118133742.D199.THE2BELO@msd.biglobe.ne.jp>

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:30:37 -0500, "Daniel J. Grinkevich" <danielgrinkevich at gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like they have everything still on full power.
> 
> *On Friday afternoon (11:55 am Houston Time), power channel 1B experienced
> an electrical event that telemetry points to a fault in the power channel?s
> Sequential Shunt Unit [SSU]. An SSU is responsible for regulating the power
> voltage levels generated by the solar arrays before it is passed to systems
> downstream,? NASA?s Dan Hout told SpaceFlight Insider. ?A seamless power
> transfer was performed to recover loads from channel 1B to channel 1A.
> Currently operating on seven of eight power channels, no impact to station
> systems or operations. Crew was never in any danger.*
> 
> Source:
> http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/iss/iss-encounters-power-failure-cant-be-fixed-until-2016/

And knowing the redundancy likely built into manned spacecraft systems
like the ISS, they could probably run the entire station on as few as
three channels.

-- 
J. Boyd, JR2TTS/NI3B
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/the2belo/
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Twitter: @Minus2_C


From quadpugh at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 18 08:31:37 2015
From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 02:31:37 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw:  9600 bps decoder
In-Reply-To: <0F85922055D64D2F94083AB14941F3ED@OsbornesPC>
References: <0F85922055D64D2F94083AB14941F3ED@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <048501d121db$8c1536d0$a43fa470$@bellsouth.net>

Tnx Terry I will give it a go
nick

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Wendy and
Terry Osborne
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:13 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: 9600 bps decoder



-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 3:51 PM
To: Nick Pugh
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 9600 bps decoder

Hi Nick,

I used AGWPE and AGW On Line Kiss.
The setup was a bit complicated.
See:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyoro5ii80w4913/Installation.doc?dl=0
For the instructions on how to set it up.

I tried Sound Modem with no success. It flashed the lights but didn't decode
anything.
I didn't try MixW.

Hope this helps.

73,

Terry Osborne
ZL2BAC


-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Pugh
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 5:03 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9600 bps decoder

What is the best 9600 bps decoder to use with SDR# and win XP?











Thanks



nick

Office   337 593 8700

Cell      337 258 2527



Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School

Disagree I Learn





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From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov 18 14:17:18 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:17:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] WRC-15 - 24 GHz + 144 and 430 MHz
References: <1450250744.10948155.1447856238730.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1450250744.10948155.1447856238730.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

An update on WRC-15 has been posted by RSGB.

The good news is that it looks like 24 GHz is now "safe" but concerns that Commercial Space interests may get access to the 144 and 430 MHz bands, see 

http://rsgb.org/main/blog/news/2015/11/18/wrc-15-day-12/

73 Trevor M5AKA

From fwinder at fuse.net  Wed Nov 18 14:10:30 2015
From: fwinder at fuse.net (Farrell Winder)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:10:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for Teletec DXP-U150 Amplifier
Message-ID: <048AA25E5F3C4A618715E5314F2ED0C8@FarrellPC>

I am trying to locate a Teletec DXP-U150 amplifier for sale. 
Please reply off line . Thanks.
Farrell Winder, W8ZCF

From pu4vlt at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 14:17:00 2015
From: pu4vlt at gmail.com (Vinicius Leite)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:17:00 -0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] If you have just one choice,
 what is the best polarization to receive LEO Birds?
Message-ID: <CAKEZ_mFzYJ91+wJbCwBOhBwh6zRRAjdHhB=B55rrP1+BDfRFrw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks!

I'm novice and sorry if this is a dumb question.

I have a regular 7 Element Yagi UHF antenna, and i would like to know what
is the best position to receive LEO birds: horizontal, vertical or 45
degrees to the right?

I've googled this, but i found a lot of different opinions.

On the field, if somebody tested this options, can please share the results
with me?

Thanks a lot! 73s!

-- 
*Vin?cius Leite*
PU4VLT /  PY4218SWL
Grid Locator.: GH70XD
pu4vlt at gmail.com
Cel.: (31) 9 8422-0424

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 19:08:49 2015
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:08:49 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] If you have just one choice,
 what is the best polarization to receive LEO Birds?
In-Reply-To: <CAKEZ_mFzYJ91+wJbCwBOhBwh6zRRAjdHhB=B55rrP1+BDfRFrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKEZ_mFzYJ91+wJbCwBOhBwh6zRRAjdHhB=B55rrP1+BDfRFrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkPBFwmoUEowBuZw+3DMu8fC1wHCwfTUYskWw-oNT=ac0w@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/18/15, Vinicius Leite <pu4vlt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks!
>
> I'm novice and sorry if this is a dumb question.
>
> I have a regular 7 Element Yagi UHF antenna, and i would like to know what
> is the best position to receive LEO birds: horizontal, vertical or 45
> degrees to the right?
>
> I've googled this, but i found a lot of different opinions.
>
> On the field, if somebody tested this options, can please share the results
> with me?

<snip>

I use a hand-held Arrow dual-band yagi for satellites.  During a pass,
I have to rotate the antenna around its axis in order to get the best
results.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From seb at wintek.com  Wed Nov 18 19:30:29 2015
From: seb at wintek.com (Stephen  E. Belter)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:30:29 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] If you have just one choice,
 what is the best polarization to receive LEO Birds?
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkPBFwmoUEowBuZw+3DMu8fC1wHCwfTUYskWw-oNT=ac0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKEZ_mFzYJ91+wJbCwBOhBwh6zRRAjdHhB=B55rrP1+BDfRFrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7QzkPBFwmoUEowBuZw+3DMu8fC1wHCwfTUYskWw-oNT=ac0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2723929.58171%seb@wintek.com>

Vinicius,

The worst orientation is to have the elements of your Yagi parallel to a
metal mast.  So unless you?re using a fiberglass mast or cross-boom, mount
the antenna so that the elements are perpendicular to the mast.

If you?re mounting the antenna on top of a vertical mast, orient the
antenna so the elements are horizontal.  If you aren?t using an elevation
rotor, you may want to slope the boom of the antenna so that it points up
from the horizon by about 15 degrees.

If you?re mounting the antenna on a horizontal cross-boom, so that you can
use an elevation rotor, orient the antenna so the elements are vertical.

Many of the satellites have a monopole or dipole antenna and are spinning
or tumbling, so you?ll have fading regardless of whether you use
horizontal or vertical position/polarization.

Hope this helps.

73, Steve N9IP
--
Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com




On 11/18/15, 2:08 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of B J"
<amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org on behalf of va6bmj at gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/18/15, Vinicius Leite <pu4vlt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Folks!
>>
>> I'm novice and sorry if this is a dumb question.
>>
>> I have a regular 7 Element Yagi UHF antenna, and i would like to know
>>what
>> is the best position to receive LEO birds: horizontal, vertical or 45
>> degrees to the right?
>>
>> I've googled this, but i found a lot of different opinions.
>>
>> On the field, if somebody tested this options, can please share the
>>results
>> with me?
>
><snip>
>
>I use a hand-held Arrow dual-band yagi for satellites.  During a pass,
>I have to rotate the antenna around its axis in order to get the best
>results.
>
>73s
>
>Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>AMSAT-NA.
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From nss at mwt.net  Wed Nov 18 19:39:32 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:39:32 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Birds in 1976
Message-ID: <564CD3F4.80203@mwt.net>

When we played with Oscars for the very first time it was a mode "A" 
bird and in 1976. so what bird would that have been?

Joe WB9SBD
-- 
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com

From n8hm at arrl.net  Wed Nov 18 19:41:30 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:41:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Birds in 1976
In-Reply-To: <564CD3F4.80203@mwt.net>
References: <564CD3F4.80203@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpYoXScVd5_p9ibnz2oZmH-MdMiOWvukC5rrpJWcs3xwg@mail.gmail.com>

Either AO-6 or AO-7.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:

> When we played with Oscars for the very first time it was a mode "A" bird
> and in 1976. so what bird would that have been?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> --
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
> _______________________________________________
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Wed Nov 18 19:41:36 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:41:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-18 19:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <b1687.57f57b77.437e2e6f@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-18  19:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Scuola Media Statale ?G. Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy,  And, Scuola 
Secondaria di Primo Grado ?Benedetto Croce?, Civate, Italy,  telebridge via 
VK4KHZ (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS (***)
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH (***)
Contact is  go for: Mon 2015-11-23 09:21:53 UTC 87 deg (***)

Dragonskolan,  Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a  go for: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25 UTC 78  deg

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-18 19:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1009.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 974. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-17 19:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From nss at mwt.net  Wed Nov 18 19:45:00 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:45:00 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Birds in 1976
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpYoXScVd5_p9ibnz2oZmH-MdMiOWvukC5rrpJWcs3xwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <564CD3F4.80203@mwt.net>
	<CABzOSOpYoXScVd5_p9ibnz2oZmH-MdMiOWvukC5rrpJWcs3xwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564CD53C.1080304@mwt.net>

Thats what I thought.

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/18/2015 1:41 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Either AO-6 or AO-7.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net 
> <mailto:nss at mwt.net>> wrote:
>
>     When we played with Oscars for the very first time it was a mode
>     "A" bird and in 1976. so what bird would that have been?
>
>     Joe WB9SBD
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From gwhink41 at msn.com  Wed Nov 18 18:48:58 2015
From: gwhink41 at msn.com (george hinkle)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 12:48:58 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] rotors alfaspid
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP186AF0EDF4EDD9CE1C325DD41C0@phx.gbl>

No need to contact me I figured them out. 
george wi9i


From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Wed Nov 18 20:20:05 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:20:05 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO hunt from HM77fr
In-Reply-To: <AAAFAB10F39640AAAA66001733FEAEB2@AA5PKPC>
References: <CALn0fKNAGHFeUUF6ELijOVLYs_fvXvR4kppzkPpVZv5-SV2p+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<00c901d1209f$5a48bba0$0eda32e0$@net>
	<564A3CE7.6000901@dutrasousa.name>
	<AAAFAB10F39640AAAA66001733FEAEB2@AA5PKPC>
Message-ID: <564CDD75.8010005@dutrasousa.name>

Hi all,

Thanks to Glenn AA5PK for pulling me out of a 3.47 degrees elevation on 
AO-7 today, setting my new QRB record of 4170.5 miles (6711.8 Km).
I'll be on the rest of the week, according to the plan below.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG
HM77fr

>
> -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Sousa via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:30 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO hunt from HM77fr
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm on a daily hunt for QSOs west of my location.
>
> Here are my plans for this week:
>
> Wednesday 18th at 19:25 UTC on a AO-7 looking for US and Canadian calls
> specially those around the line from Manitoba, North Dakota down to
> Texas. Any South/Central American calls are also very welcome!
> Same on Friday 18th around 19:17 UTC.
> Daily evening passes of XW-2F looking for East Coast.
> Daily late night passes of AO-73.
> SO-50 on Saturday at 13:50 UTC and 15:30 UTC, and again on Sunday at
> 14:10 UTC, for those seeking FM contact to Europe.
> Weekends, occasionally, on FO-29.
>
> On linear sats you can find me, as always, on center frequency +2kHz.
>
> Looking forward!
>
> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
> HM77fr
>
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From karn at philkarn.net  Wed Nov 18 23:28:28 2015
From: karn at philkarn.net (Phil Karn)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:28:28 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS 321 AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN - AO-85
 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations
In-Reply-To: <CAM5+sotFdKrjCyZDJCRHSuJ9wF_Zx1AXJVqhFDSqcZPqsUFyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM5+sotFdKrjCyZDJCRHSuJ9wF_Zx1AXJVqhFDSqcZPqsUFyRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564D099C.1020504@philkarn.net>


> AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN
> ANS-321

> Downlink audio is 5 kHz deviation, as expected. Many will perceive
> that the audio is "low." This is an effect of the filtering below 300
> Hz, which provides for the DUV telemetry, coupled with any noise on
> the uplink signal resulting from lack of full quieting or being off
> frequency. That makes for less fidelity than a typical receiver in
> terms of audio frequencies passed.
[...]

> It is important to remember that science is the reason behind the
> Fox-1 satellites. Not only does science help with the launch cost, it
> provides a great amount of educational value both from the science
> payload and in amateur radio itself. The data-under-voice (DUV)
> telemetry is an excellent way to provide the science without
> sacrificing the use of the satellite for communications, which would
> be the case if higher speed downlinks were needed. DUV provides
> constant science as long as the repeater is in use, which in turn
> provides more downlink data for the science - a mutually beneficial
> combination.

I designed the DUV telemetry system on Fox-1, with an important
suggestion (use 8b10b coding for spectral shaping) from Tony, AA2TX.
It's important to remember the severe design compromises imposed by the
requirement that the satellite itself be an analog FM repeater,
confining the telemetry to modulating frequencies below 300 Hz.

These design compromises would have been unnecessary with a fully
digital communications payload, like those on every non-amateur
satellite launched in at least the past decade or two. I've made it
clear that this is my last telemetry design for an analog spacecraft.
It's past time for AMSAT to move into the all-digital era.

--Phil, KA9Q

From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 02:30:20 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:30:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9Y4D worked on AO-73
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrN_gqzPh97mAQiAw-S7Gha0cH4JryjP7Z8iN3K+2WpTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening,

On the 0153Z pass of AO-73, I worked Chris, 9Y4D, in Trinidad & Tobago
(FK90gg). Chris is relatively new to the satellites and has been heard on
FO-29, XW-2F, and AO-73. I've worked him on both XW-2F and AO-73. He uses
LoTW.

9Y has been relatively uncommon on satellite, so keep an eye out for him if
you need it!

73,

Paul, N8HM

From bryan at kl7cn.net  Wed Nov 18 23:48:03 2015
From: bryan at kl7cn.net (Bryan KL7CN)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:48:03 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS 321 AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN - AO-85
	Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations
In-Reply-To: <564D099C.1020504@philkarn.net>
References: <CAM5+sotFdKrjCyZDJCRHSuJ9wF_Zx1AXJVqhFDSqcZPqsUFyRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<564D099C.1020504@philkarn.net>
Message-ID: <EF681734-009F-433C-8E91-00E653239586@kl7cn.net>

Phil, I don't dispute your expertise in this opinion -- you're right when you say:

> It's past time for AMSAT to move into the all-digital era.

But, the appeal of using a pair of HTs or other simple radios with an Arrow sure is strong -- especially for truly neophyte operators.

What would replace this entry level equipment? A laptop and an Arduino and a radio?

Really curious what you think; I expect you have a very learned opinion.

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6

On Nov 18, 2015, at 15:28, Phil Karn <karn at philkarn.net> wrote:


> AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN
> ANS-321

> Downlink audio is 5 kHz deviation, as expected. Many will perceive
> that the audio is "low." This is an effect of the filtering below 300
> Hz, which provides for the DUV telemetry, coupled with any noise on
> the uplink signal resulting from lack of full quieting or being off
> frequency. That makes for less fidelity than a typical receiver in
> terms of audio frequencies passed.
[...]

> It is important to remember that science is the reason behind the
> Fox-1 satellites. Not only does science help with the launch cost, it
> provides a great amount of educational value both from the science
> payload and in amateur radio itself. The data-under-voice (DUV)
> telemetry is an excellent way to provide the science without
> sacrificing the use of the satellite for communications, which would
> be the case if higher speed downlinks were needed. DUV provides
> constant science as long as the repeater is in use, which in turn
> provides more downlink data for the science - a mutually beneficial
> combination.

I designed the DUV telemetry system on Fox-1, with an important
suggestion (use 8b10b coding for spectral shaping) from Tony, AA2TX.
It's important to remember the severe design compromises imposed by the
requirement that the satellite itself be an analog FM repeater,
confining the telemetry to modulating frequencies below 300 Hz.

These design compromises would have been unnecessary with a fully
digital communications payload, like those on every non-amateur
satellite launched in at least the past decade or two. I've made it
clear that this is my last telemetry design for an analog spacecraft.
It's past time for AMSAT to move into the all-digital era.

--Phil, KA9Q
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 07:59:08 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 02:59:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-19 07:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <bcfc7.35db29da.437edb4c@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-19  07:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Scuola Media Statale ?G. Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy,  telebridge via 
VK4KHZ (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is go for: Mon  2015-11-23 09:21:53 UTC 87 deg

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden,  telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go  for: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25 UTC 78  deg

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-19 07:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1009.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 974. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-17 19:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From daniel at destevez.net  Thu Nov 19 09:11:38 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:11:38 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS 321 AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN - AO-85
 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations
In-Reply-To: <564D099C.1020504@philkarn.net>
References: <CAM5+sotFdKrjCyZDJCRHSuJ9wF_Zx1AXJVqhFDSqcZPqsUFyRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<564D099C.1020504@philkarn.net>
Message-ID: <564D924A.2070709@destevez.net>

El 18/11/15 a las 23:28, Phil Karn escribi?:
>
> I designed the DUV telemetry system on Fox-1, with an important
> suggestion (use 8b10b coding for spectral shaping) from Tony, AA2TX.
> It's important to remember the severe design compromises imposed by the
> requirement that the satellite itself be an analog FM repeater,
> confining the telemetry to modulating frequencies below 300 Hz.
> 
> These design compromises would have been unnecessary with a fully
> digital communications payload, like those on every non-amateur
> satellite launched in at least the past decade or two. I've made it
> clear that this is my last telemetry design for an analog spacecraft.
> It's past time for AMSAT to move into the all-digital era.

Dear Phil,


I'm wondering if it would be reasonable for future satellites to use an
SDR transmitter, to allow to use an analog FM downlink and digital
telemetry on two different frequencies (spaced about 20KHz apart or so).
As others have said, analog FM is quite desirable because it allows for
a very simple groundstation. Also, the current state of amateur digital
voice is not so stable with all these competing standards that have
closed implementations or use patented codecs.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Thu Nov 19 12:35:55 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:35:55 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOrN_gqzPh97mAQiAw-S7Gha0cH4JryjP7Z8iN3K+2WpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151119123555.Horde.G-pQiEFXmLC1wx_vWUNCEtA@webmail.satavirtual.org>

Hi all!

Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite  
confirmed QRB records?
I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG


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From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 12:54:39 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:54:39 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any
currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!

This is what I can find:

AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)

If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post
your claim. I will create a page with this information.

73,

Paul, N8HM



On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed
> QRB records?
> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>
> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>
>
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 14:50:42 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:50:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqZykWmPB7suOStUx_jFYob=8L6zOXHiyyN7=qHMD6=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOrN_gqzPh97mAQiAw-S7Gha0cH4JryjP7Z8iN3K+2WpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20151119123555.Horde.G-pQiEFXmLC1wx_vWUNCEtA@webmail.satavirtual.org>
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This page is now live on the AMSAT website:

http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751

There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications Satellites page.

Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you may hold
the record!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any
> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!
>
> This is what I can find:
>
> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)
>
> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post
> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed
>> QRB records?
>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>
>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>
>> --
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>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
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>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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>
>

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Thu Nov 19 15:09:00 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:09:00 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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	<20151119123555.Horde.G-pQiEFXmLC1wx_vWUNCEtA@webmail.satavirtual.org>
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	<CABzOSOr-1qwEN1oqy08FT3t+XHA=d8quPvyBH3=JBcVd7mr8CA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151119150900.Horde.wZZSz6HKh4J4Mzr1Ip8C_gp@webmail.satavirtual.org>

Hi,

Thanks!

I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets  
standing at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find.  
If you'd like that I can send it to you later.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG


Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:

> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>
> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications Satellites page.
>
> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you may hold
> the record!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>
>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any
>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!
>>
>> This is what I can find:
>>
>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)
>>
>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post
>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed
>>> QRB records?
>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>>
>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> believed to be clean.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 15:13:24 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:13:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before, but they
always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to put the
records in perspective.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks!
>
> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets standing
> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If you'd like
> that I can send it to you later.
>
> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>
>
>
> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>
> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>>
>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>>
>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications Satellites page.
>>
>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you may hold
>> the record!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>>
>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any
>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!
>>>
>>> This is what I can find:
>>>
>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post
>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Paul, N8HM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>>>
>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed
>>>> QRB records?
>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>>>
>>>>
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From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Thu Nov 19 16:01:23 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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Hi,

I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the  
satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two  
opposite locations.
Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which  
is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from  
the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.
I'll send you that list later today.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG

Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:

> Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before, but they
> always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to put the
> records in perspective.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets standing
>> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If you'd like
>> that I can send it to you later.
>>
>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>
>> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>>>
>>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>>>
>>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications Satellites page.
>>>
>>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you may hold
>>> the record!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Paul, N8HM
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any
>>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!
>>>>
>>>> This is what I can find:
>>>>
>>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
>>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)
>>>>
>>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post
>>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Paul, N8HM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed
>>>>> QRB records?
>>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From kayakfishtx at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 16:30:59 2015
From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:30:59 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32, AO-85, Icom IC-9100
Message-ID: <CAPovOwc8ETDempJXCzRS_CpWz8OtidE2yYjJ6K8-uuBEfaFXeg@mail.gmail.com>

This post is specific to Icom IC-9100 users.

There have been some ongoing discussions about whether or not to use
Narrow FM for uplink or downlink on AO-85.  My observation is that
Narrow FM (Filter 2) for the downlink works best. For the uplink, I
leave Filter 1 enabled.

This is easy to do in your DOPPLER.SQF:
AO-85,145980,435175,FMN,FM,NOR,0,0,Transponder

The first FMN will set Filter 2 for your downlink
The second FM will set Filter 1 for your uplink.

I've also noticed Filter 3 makes LilacSat-2 sound best but I am
unaware of a command via SatPC32 to select that filter automatically.

73
Clayton
W5PFG

From claudio at ariotti.com  Thu Nov 19 17:16:37 2015
From: claudio at ariotti.com (claudio)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:16:37 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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   Hi Pedro,
   I found this 2 Qso by AO-13 when I was using IW1BMJ callsign:
   IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK8KTC in PH86ed (Jun 7, 1990 12:19 UTC)
   IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4ASB in QG62mp ( Nov18, 1990 23:04 UTC)
     73'  Claudio IK1SLD

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   Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000

   Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records

   > Hi,

   >

   > I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the

   > satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two

   > opposite locations.

   > Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which

   > is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from

   > the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.

   > I'll send you that list later today.

   >

   > 73 de Pedro CU2ZG

   >

   > Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:

   >

   > > Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before, but they

   > > always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to put the

   > > records in perspective.

   > >

   > > 73,

   > >

   > > Paul, N8HM

   > >

   > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>

   > > wrote:

   > >

   > >> Hi,

   > >>

   > >> Thanks!

   > >>

   > >> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets standing

   > >> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If you'd like

   > >> that I can send it to you later.

   > >>

   > >> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG

   > >>

   > >>

   > >>

   > >> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:

   > >>

   > >> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:

   > >>>

   > >>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751

   > >>>

   > >>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications Satellites page.

   > >>>

   > >>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you may hold

   > >>> the record!

   > >>>

   > >>> 73,

   > >>>

   > >>> Paul, N8HM

   > >>>

   > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

   > >>>

   > >>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any

   > >>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!

   > >>>>

   > >>>> This is what I can find:

   > >>>>

   > >>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)

   > >>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)

   > >>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)

   > >>>>

   > >>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post

   > >>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.

   > >>>>

   > >>>> 73,

   > >>>>

   > >>>> Paul, N8HM

   > >>>>

   > >>>>

   > >>>>

   > >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>

   > >>>> wrote:

   > >>>>

   > >>>> Hi all!

   > >>>>>

   > >>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed

   > >>>>> QRB records?

   > >>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.

   > >>>>>

   > >>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG

   > >>>>>

   > >>>>>

   > >>>>> --

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   > >>>>> believed to be clean.

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   > >>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.

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   > >>>>> AMSAT-NA.

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From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 17:23:29 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:23:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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Thanks, Claudio.

I'll put your QSO with VK4ASB (16,337km) up for now unless someone has one
better than that from AO-13. What mode was that? I'm assuming Mode B?

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:16 PM, claudio <claudio at ariotti.com> wrote:

>
>    Hi Pedro,
>    I found this 2 Qso by AO-13 when I was using IW1BMJ callsign:
>    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK8KTC in PH86ed (Jun 7, 1990 12:19 UTC)
>    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4ASB in QG62mp ( Nov18, 1990 23:04 UTC)
>      73'  Claudio IK1SLD
>
>    Da "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
>
>    A amsat-bb at amsat.org
>
>    Cc
>
>    Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000
>
>    Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
>
>    > Hi,
>
>    >
>
>    > I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the
>
>    > satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two
>
>    > opposite locations.
>
>    > Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which
>
>    > is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from
>
>    > the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.
>
>    > I'll send you that list later today.
>
>    >
>
>    > 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>
>    >
>
>    > Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>
>    >
>
>    > > Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before,
> but they
>
>    > > always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to
> put the
>
>    > > records in perspective.
>
>    > >
>
>    > > 73,
>
>    > >
>
>    > > Paul, N8HM
>
>    > >
>
>    > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>
>    > > wrote:
>
>    > >
>
>    > >> Hi,
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >> Thanks!
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets
> standing
>
>    > >> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If
> you'd like
>
>    > >> that I can send it to you later.
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>
>    > >>
>
>    > >> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications
> Satellites page.
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you
> may hold
>
>    > >>> the record!
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> 73,
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> Paul, N8HM
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
> wrote:
>
>    > >>>
>
>    > >>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know
> about any
>
>    > >>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT
> website!
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> This is what I can find:
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>
>    > >>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
>
>    > >>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in
> JN17ea22ot)
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite,
> please post
>
>    > >>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> 73,
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> Paul, N8HM
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>
>    > >>>> wrote:
>
>    > >>>>
>
>    > >>>> Hi all!
>
>    > >>>>>
>
>    > >>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite
> confirmed
>
>    > >>>>> QRB records?
>
>    > >>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>
>    > >>>>>
>
>    > >>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>
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>
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From claudio at ariotti.com  Thu Nov 19 17:29:28 2015
From: claudio at ariotti.com (claudio)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:29:28 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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   Paul,

   now I haven't the log with me, I seen on LoTW online.
   When at home this evening I will see the note on the log so I can be more accurate with mode etc.
     73'  Claudio IK1SLD

   Da prstoetzer at gmail.com

   A claudio at ariotti.com

   Cc "Pedro Sousa" pedro at dutrasousa.name,"amsat-bb at amsat.org" amsat-bb at amsat.org

   Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:23:29 -0500

   Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records

   > Thanks, Claudio.
   > I'll put your QSO with VK4ASB (16,337km) up for now unless someone has one better than that from AO-13. What mode was that? I'm assuming Mode B?
   > 73,
   > Paul, N8HM
   > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:16 PM, claudio <claudio at ariotti.com> wrote:

     >    Hi Pedro,
     >    I found this 2 Qso by AO-13 when I was using IW1BMJ callsign:
     >    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK8KTC in PH86ed (Jun 7, 1990 12:19 UTC)
     >    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4ASB in QG62mp ( Nov18, 1990 23:04 UTC)
     >      73'  Claudio IK1SLD
     >    Da "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
     >    A amsat-bb at amsat.org
     >    Cc
     >    Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000
     >    Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records

   >    > Hi,
   >    >
   >    > I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the
   >    > satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two
   >    > opposite locations.
   >    > Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which
   >    > is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from
   >    > the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.
   >    > I'll send you that list later today.
   >    >
   >    > 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
   >    >
   >    > Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
   >    >
   >    > > Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before, but they
   >    > > always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to put the
   >    > > records in perspective.
   >    > >
   >    > > 73,
   >    > >
   >    > > Paul, N8HM
   >    > >
   >    > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
   >    > > wrote:
   >    > >
   >    > >> Hi,
   >    > >>
   >    > >> Thanks!
   >    > >>
   >    > >> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets standing
   >    > >> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If you'd like
   >    > >> that I can send it to you later.
   >    > >>
   >    > >> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
   >    > >>
   >    > >>
   >    > >>
   >    > >> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
   >    > >>
   >    > >> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications Satellites page.
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think you may hold
   >    > >>> the record!
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> 73,
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> Paul, N8HM
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
   >    > >>>
   >    > >>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know about any
   >    > >>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT website!
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> This is what I can find:
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
   >    > >>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in IM99sl48cx)
   >    > >>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in JN17ea22ot)
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite, please post
   >    > >>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> 73,
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> Paul, N8HM
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
   >    > >>>> wrote:
   >    > >>>>
   >    > >>>> Hi all!
   >    > >>>>>
   >    > >>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite confirmed
   >    > >>>>> QRB records?
   >    > >>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
   >    > >>>>>
   >    > >>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
   >    > >>>>>
   >    > >>>>>
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From yogiwn9q at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 17:32:04 2015
From: yogiwn9q at gmail.com (David Jaeger)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:32:04 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Trivia
Message-ID: <CAFABCXAhN5Um1eOt_dPwfu-utexyPJ8VULG-MrHApXzaJ53xCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to all,
   Over the past decades I have accumulated a stack of QSL cards covering
satellite QSOs dating back to the early Oscars and RS12/13 days.  I never
got around to applying for the VUCC award or any others associated with
working the birds.  Last year I made the decision that when I hit 100
satellite LOTW grids I would apply for the VUCC sat award the easy way
electronically.  Two weeks ago I checked my total online and found out that
I was at 91 grids.  At that time I figured that at the rate I am going it
would be in 2016 before I ever hit 100.  Then along came Wyatt AC0RA as
W0N with his roving grid expedition and I picked up 12 new grids and they
were all uploaded and confirmed by Monday afternoon.  A few more grids were
picked up from other stations in the last two weeks and yesterday I applied
for my LOTW VUCC for 107 grids.  Thanks Wyatt and all the others that
uploaded their logs.
   Now for the trivia part of this post.  Rovers made up a large part of my
LOTW log.   Those that uploaded multiple grids for my award were as follows:

KG5CCI - 14 grids,   AC0RA (W0N) - 13 grids,  WD9EWK - 8 grids
W5PFG - 5 grids,    N8HM - 3 grids,   KX9X - 3 grids,  WA7HQD - 3 grids,
K8YSE - 2 grids,  KA4H - 2 grids,  N6UA - 2 grids,  VE3NKL - 2 grids

   That is 57 grids out of 107 total.  In that stack of cards that I have
yet to turn in for credit are additional grid confirmations from some of
those listed above.  My best example is my QSL from KF9PL/6Y5 (now KX9X)
from 5/27/94.

 So thanks again to all those that upload to LOTW for helping with my
VUCC...

       73,    Dave     WN9Q

From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 17:42:44 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:42:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Trivia
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Message-ID: <CABzOSOqTe1KgM2aWrHFwtbES14cw+eMdgD8aMg3o+SAE13B0Zg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dave. I don't get to many grids, but I enjoy it when I do get to a
new place.

The most active ground-based rovers like KG5CCI, AC0RA, W5PFG, KA4H, and
WD9EWK save a lot of time by using LoTW and not having to fill out paper
cards for every person they work!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:32 PM, David Jaeger <yogiwn9q at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello to all,
>    Over the past decades I have accumulated a stack of QSL cards covering
> satellite QSOs dating back to the early Oscars and RS12/13 days.  I never
> got around to applying for the VUCC award or any others associated with
> working the birds.  Last year I made the decision that when I hit 100
> satellite LOTW grids I would apply for the VUCC sat award the easy way
> electronically.  Two weeks ago I checked my total online and found out that
> I was at 91 grids.  At that time I figured that at the rate I am going it
> would be in 2016 before I ever hit 100.  Then along came Wyatt AC0RA as
> W0N with his roving grid expedition and I picked up 12 new grids and they
> were all uploaded and confirmed by Monday afternoon.  A few more grids were
> picked up from other stations in the last two weeks and yesterday I applied
> for my LOTW VUCC for 107 grids.  Thanks Wyatt and all the others that
> uploaded their logs.
>    Now for the trivia part of this post.  Rovers made up a large part of my
> LOTW log.   Those that uploaded multiple grids for my award were as
> follows:
>
> KG5CCI - 14 grids,   AC0RA (W0N) - 13 grids,  WD9EWK - 8 grids
> W5PFG - 5 grids,    N8HM - 3 grids,   KX9X - 3 grids,  WA7HQD - 3 grids,
> K8YSE - 2 grids,  KA4H - 2 grids,  N6UA - 2 grids,  VE3NKL - 2 grids
>
>    That is 57 grids out of 107 total.  In that stack of cards that I have
> yet to turn in for credit are additional grid confirmations from some of
> those listed above.  My best example is my QSL from KF9PL/6Y5 (now KX9X)
> from 5/27/94.
>
>  So thanks again to all those that upload to LOTW for helping with my
> VUCC...
>
>        73,    Dave     WN9Q
> _______________________________________________
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From w5pfg at amsat.org  Thu Nov 19 17:47:25 2015
From: w5pfg at amsat.org (Clayton W5PFG)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:47:25 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Trivia
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Message-ID: <564E0B2D.9050406@amsat.org>

It's also great that these guys keep everyone notified of their 
operations on open forums like the AMSAT-BB and public Twitter feeds, 
not any private channels or closed groups.

73
Clayton
W5PFG

On 11/19/2015 11:42, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Thanks, Dave. I don't get to many grids, but I enjoy it when I do get to a
> new place.
>
> The most active ground-based rovers like KG5CCI, AC0RA, W5PFG, KA4H, and
> WD9EWK save a lot of time by using LoTW and not having to fill out paper
> cards for every person they work!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM

From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Nov 19 18:09:29 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:09:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Trivia
In-Reply-To: <564E0B2D.9050406@amsat.org>
References: <CAFABCXAhN5Um1eOt_dPwfu-utexyPJ8VULG-MrHApXzaJ53xCw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<564E0B2D.9050406@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOq+xZPEXQ9FNRhjXSXO-A=1DqNj99uQiPtmi4uPQH3vWA@mail.gmail.com>

Absolutely, closed groups/message boards go against the open spirit of
amateur radio. That's why AMSAT-BB is open to all and it's archives are
freely available, regardless of whether or not you are a member of AMSAT-NA.

Of course, if you do enjoy this BB, please consider joining AMSAT at
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/index.php?cPath=32&osCsid=3kbpq04b26icr8v8t8aau2sf35

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Clayton W5PFG <w5pfg at amsat.org> wrote:

> It's also great that these guys keep everyone notified of their operations
> on open forums like the AMSAT-BB and public Twitter feeds, not any private
> channels or closed groups.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> On 11/19/2015 11:42, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Dave. I don't get to many grids, but I enjoy it when I do get to a
>> new place.
>>
>> The most active ground-based rovers like KG5CCI, AC0RA, W5PFG, KA4H, and
>> WD9EWK save a lot of time by using LoTW and not having to fill out paper
>> cards for every person they work!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
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From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Thu Nov 19 19:23:54 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:23:54 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 downlink
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Hi,

I just had a 80 plus degrees pass by AO-85 and noticed that the downlink
frequency was, at the descent phase, off by 10kHz at 145.970.
Despite correcting for Doppler I've never seen this kind of deviation
before in such a overhead pass, where usually stands around 145.977.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG

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From wageners at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 20:04:56 2015
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:04:56 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32, AO-85, Icom IC-9100
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Great tip Clayton!

Works well as you described. Maybe send an email to Erich DK1TB and see if
there is a Cat command for that, maybe he can even enable it in the main
window as an additional feature.

73, Stefan VE4NSA

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This post is specific to Icom IC-9100 users.
>
> There have been some ongoing discussions about whether or not to use
> Narrow FM for uplink or downlink on AO-85.  My observation is that
> Narrow FM (Filter 2) for the downlink works best. For the uplink, I
> leave Filter 1 enabled.
>
> This is easy to do in your DOPPLER.SQF:
> AO-85,145980,435175,FMN,FM,NOR,0,0,Transponder
>
> The first FMN will set Filter 2 for your downlink
> The second FM will set Filter 1 for your uplink.
>
> I've also noticed Filter 3 makes LilacSat-2 sound best but I am
> unaware of a command via SatPC32 to select that filter automatically.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
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From wa4sca at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 20:20:58 2015
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:20:58 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 downlink
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Hi Pedro,

I have been looking at this, using some precision time and frequency equipment to measure the
downlink.  On today's pass at 1530 UTC it was running about 3 KHz below the nominal frequency, AOS to
LOS. The magnitude of the difference has been increasing along with the component operating
temperatures. It will be interesting to see whether that trend continues at elevated temperatures.
Looking forward to this afternoon's passes.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA


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<Hi,
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<I just had a 80 plus degrees pass by AO-85 and noticed that the downlink
<frequency was, at the descent phase, off by 10kHz at 145.970.
<Despite correcting for Doppler I've never seen this kind of deviation
<before in such a overhead pass, where usually stands around 145.977.
<
<73 de Pedro CU2ZG
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From burns at fisher.cc  Thu Nov 19 20:21:07 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:21:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 downlink
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Hola Pedro,

We are in a part of the orbit where there is very little (or no) time when
there is not some sun shining on AO-85 as you can see from your favorite
orbit prediction program.  You can also see from the telemetry that the
temperature is higher, and this seems to lower the frequency.

73,

Burns W2BFJ

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Pedro Sousa via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just had a 80 plus degrees pass by AO-85 and noticed that the downlink
> frequency was, at the descent phase, off by 10kHz at 145.970.
> Despite correcting for Doppler I've never seen this kind of deviation
> before in such a overhead pass, where usually stands around 145.977.
>
> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>
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From wb3jfs at cox.net  Thu Nov 19 19:51:26 2015
From: wb3jfs at cox.net (Jeff Yanko)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:51:26 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] ULA to provide free cubesat launches for universities
Message-ID: <564E283E.7050303@cox.net>

Hi all,

Not sure if this is recently known but ULA is now offering free launches 
for cubesats made by universities.  Should bring an interesting round of 
competition between the schools.


http://www.ulalaunch.com/ula-reveals-transformational-cubesat-launch.aspx?title=United+Launch+Alliance+Reveals+Transformational+CubeSat+Launch+Program+


73,

Jeff  WB3JFS




From marklhammond at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 21:05:22 2015
From: marklhammond at gmail.com (Mark L. Hammond)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:05:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube Dongle Pro+ settings with FoxTelem 1.02b
Message-ID: <CAPRXzyrG62jWmkctbtkAgJ=jr4NMS_fdN8jA+S=ejukC_CzaFA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob,

I am going to copy AMSAT-BB because this will help some others I hope!

Here is what works well for me and the FuncubeDongle Pro + and FoxTelem
1.02b:

1-On main screen, "Check" Track Doppler and Find Signal; I use default
values in the boxes (15.0dB, 6.0dB)

2-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to both Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D parameter
screens and "Uncheck"  Track when Find Signal Enabled

3-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to Fox-1A and "Check" Track when Find
Signal Enabled; I use Downlink=145979, Lower Freq. Bound=145973, Upper
Freq. Bound=145985

THAT should get your good, fast lock on the Fox-1A signal.    Works well
here setup like that.

Let me know how you make out!

73,

Mark N8MH





On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:

> Hi Mark.
> Early on with Fox1A "somebody" emailed me about trimming down the
> FOX1A_fm.dat a bit and limiting the scan range for FoxTelem to find the
> beacon early on in an orbit.
>
> I just beeefwittedly overwrote some data files when updating the
> FoxTelem program. Thus I now have numerous "Tabs" of Fox1-1C and H and
> so forth.
>
> Were you the one who suggested the trim-down ?
>
> Otherwise, any ideas on shaping that Dat file to make it find the signal
> earlier and stay locked on?
>
> Mine "was" working just fine with whatever I'd put in the folder. Or
> maybe the stock program as it is now written is just fine.
>
>
> --
> 73,
> Bob KD7YZ
> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> AmSat LM#901
>



-- 
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]

From seb at wintek.com  Thu Nov 19 21:58:09 2015
From: seb at wintek.com (Stephen  E. Belter)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:58:09 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube Dongle Pro+ settings with FoxTelem 1.02b
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Mark,

Didn?t you also experiment with the Windows audio input setting?

>From memory, I think it defaults to 100 under Windows 10 and you found it
worked better at a lower value, like 4-5?

73, Steve N9IP
--
Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com



On 11/19/15, 4:05 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Mark L. Hammond"
<amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org on behalf of marklhammond at gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Bob,
>
>I am going to copy AMSAT-BB because this will help some others I hope!
>
>Here is what works well for me and the FuncubeDongle Pro + and FoxTelem
>1.02b:
>
>1-On main screen, "Check" Track Doppler and Find Signal; I use default
>values in the boxes (15.0dB, 6.0dB)
>
>2-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to both Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D parameter
>screens and "Uncheck"  Track when Find Signal Enabled
>
>3-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to Fox-1A and "Check" Track when Find
>Signal Enabled; I use Downlink=145979, Lower Freq. Bound=145973, Upper
>Freq. Bound=145985
>
>THAT should get your good, fast lock on the Fox-1A signal.    Works well
>here setup like that.
>
>Let me know how you make out!
>
>73,
>
>Mark N8MH
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark.
>> Early on with Fox1A "somebody" emailed me about trimming down the
>> FOX1A_fm.dat a bit and limiting the scan range for FoxTelem to find the
>> beacon early on in an orbit.
>>
>> I just beeefwittedly overwrote some data files when updating the
>> FoxTelem program. Thus I now have numerous "Tabs" of Fox1-1C and H and
>> so forth.
>>
>> Were you the one who suggested the trim-down ?
>>
>> Otherwise, any ideas on shaping that Dat file to make it find the signal
>> earlier and stay locked on?
>>
>> Mine "was" working just fine with whatever I'd put in the folder. Or
>> maybe the stock program as it is now written is just fine.
>>
>>
>> --
>> 73,
>> Bob KD7YZ
>> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
>> AmSat LM#901
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
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From marklhammond at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 22:27:22 2015
From: marklhammond at gmail.com (Mark L. Hammond)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:27:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube Dongle Pro+ settings with FoxTelem 1.02b
In-Reply-To: <D273AF79.5830C%seb@wintek.com>
References: <CAPRXzyrG62jWmkctbtkAgJ=jr4NMS_fdN8jA+S=ejukC_CzaFA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <jaTN1r0055LoKnP01aTNjo@gmail.com>

Hi Steve,

Yes, make this number 4!

4-I find under Windows 7 with the FCDP+ a Recording Device volume setting of "3" gives me a decent noise floor (between -75 and -100) on FoxTelem.   Getting the noise floor level down to a reasonable level is important. 

73,

Mark N8MH


At 09:58 PM 11/19/2015 +0000, Stephen  E. Belter wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Didn?t you also experiment with the Windows audio input setting?
>
> From memory, I think it defaults to 100 under Windows 10 and you found it
>worked better at a lower value, like 4-5?
>
>73, Steve N9IP
>--
>Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com
>
>
>
>On 11/19/15, 4:05 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Mark L. Hammond"
><amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org on behalf of marklhammond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi Bob,
>>
>>I am going to copy AMSAT-BB because this will help some others I hope!
>>
>>Here is what works well for me and the FuncubeDongle Pro + and FoxTelem
>>1.02b:
>>
>>1-On main screen, "Check" Track Doppler and Find Signal; I use default
>>values in the boxes (15.0dB, 6.0dB)
>>
>>2-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to both Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D parameter
>>screens and "Uncheck"  Track when Find Signal Enabled
>>
>>3-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to Fox-1A and "Check" Track when Find
>>Signal Enabled; I use Downlink=145979, Lower Freq. Bound=145973, Upper
>>Freq. Bound=145985
>>
>>THAT should get your good, fast lock on the Fox-1A signal.    Works well
>>here setup like that.
>>
>>Let me know how you make out!
>>
>>73,
>>
>>Mark N8MH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark.
>>> Early on with Fox1A "somebody" emailed me about trimming down the
>>> FOX1A_fm.dat a bit and limiting the scan range for FoxTelem to find the
>>> beacon early on in an orbit.
>>>
>>> I just beeefwittedly overwrote some data files when updating the
>>> FoxTelem program. Thus I now have numerous "Tabs" of Fox1-1C and H and
>>> so forth.
>>>
>>> Were you the one who suggested the trim-down ?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, any ideas on shaping that Dat file to make it find the signal
>>> earlier and stay locked on?
>>>
>>> Mine "was" working just fine with whatever I'd put in the folder. Or
>>> maybe the stock program as it is now written is just fine.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73,
>>> Bob KD7YZ
>>> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
>>> AmSat LM#901
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
>>_______________________________________________
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>>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>AMSAT-NA.
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From kb1hy2 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 19 22:53:17 2015
From: kb1hy2 at comcast.net (Peter Budnik)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:53:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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Hi All

KB1HY  CT FN31MR to Spratley VIA AO13 Mode B

What do you think?

Peter,KB1HY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm at arrl.net>
To: <claudio at ariotti.com>
Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records


> Thanks, Claudio.
>
> I'll put your QSO with VK4ASB (16,337km) up for now unless someone has one
> better than that from AO-13. What mode was that? I'm assuming Mode B?
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:16 PM, claudio <claudio at ariotti.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>    Hi Pedro,
>>    I found this 2 Qso by AO-13 when I was using IW1BMJ callsign:
>>    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK8KTC in PH86ed (Jun 7, 1990 12:19 UTC)
>>    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4ASB in QG62mp ( Nov18, 1990 23:04 UTC)
>>      73'  Claudio IK1SLD
>>
>>    Da "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
>>
>>    A amsat-bb at amsat.org
>>
>>    Cc
>>
>>    Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000
>>
>>    Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
>>
>>    > Hi,
>>
>>    >
>>
>>    > I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the
>>
>>    > satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two
>>
>>    > opposite locations.
>>
>>    > Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which
>>
>>    > is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from
>>
>>    > the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.
>>
>>    > I'll send you that list later today.
>>
>>    >
>>
>>    > 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>    >
>>
>>    > Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>
>>    >
>>
>>    > > Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before,
>> but they
>>
>>    > > always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to
>> put the
>>
>>    > > records in perspective.
>>
>>    > >
>>
>>    > > 73,
>>
>>    > >
>>
>>    > > Paul, N8HM
>>
>>    > >
>>
>>    > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>
>>    > > wrote:
>>
>>    > >
>>
>>    > >> Hi,
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >> Thanks!
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets
>> standing
>>
>>    > >> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If
>> you'd like
>>
>>    > >> that I can send it to you later.
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>
>>    > >>
>>
>>    > >> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications
>> Satellites page.
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think 
>> you
>> may hold
>>
>>    > >>> the record!
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> 73,
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    > >>>
>>
>>    > >>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know
>> about any
>>
>>    > >>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT
>> website!
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> This is what I can find:
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>>
>>    > >>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in 
>> IM99sl48cx)
>>
>>    > >>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in
>> JN17ea22ot)
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite,
>> please post
>>
>>    > >>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> 73,
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>
>>    > >>>> wrote:
>>
>>    > >>>>
>>
>>    > >>>> Hi all!
>>
>>    > >>>>>
>>
>>    > >>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite
>> confirmed
>>
>>    > >>>>> QRB records?
>>
>>    > >>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>
>>    > >>>>>
>>
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From claudio at ariotti.com  Thu Nov 19 23:05:47 2015
From: claudio at ariotti.com (Claudio Ariotti, IK1SLD)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:05:47 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] R: Re:  Satellite QRB records
Message-ID: <n6339frpfec3fog8o03ixa11.1447974347889@email.android.com>

Hello,

I confirm all my reports and this too:

IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4BRG in QG28aa (Nov 18, 1990 00:01 UTC)

were via AO-13 Mode B

? 73' ?Claudio ?IK1SLD


Inviato da Samsung Mobile

-------- Messaggio originale --------
Da: Peter Budnik <kb1hy2 at comcast.net> 
Data:  
A: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>,claudio at ariotti.com 
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
Oggetto: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records 
 
Hi All

KB1HY? CT FN31MR to Spratley VIA AO13 Mode B

What do you think?

Peter,KB1HY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm at arrl.net>
To: <claudio at ariotti.com>
Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records


> Thanks, Claudio.
>
> I'll put your QSO with VK4ASB (16,337km) up for now unless someone has one
> better than that from AO-13. What mode was that? I'm assuming Mode B?
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:16 PM, claudio <claudio at ariotti.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>??? Hi Pedro,
>>??? I found this 2 Qso by AO-13 when I was using IW1BMJ callsign:
>>??? IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK8KTC in PH86ed (Jun 7, 1990 12:19 UTC)
>>??? IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4ASB in QG62mp ( Nov18, 1990 23:04 UTC)
>>????? 73'? Claudio IK1SLD
>>
>>??? Da "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
>>
>>??? A amsat-bb at amsat.org
>>
>>??? Cc
>>
>>??? Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000
>>
>>??? Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
>>
>>??? > Hi,
>>
>>??? >
>>
>>??? > I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the
>>
>>??? > satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two
>>
>>??? > opposite locations.
>>
>>??? > Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which
>>
>>??? > is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from
>>
>>??? > the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.
>>
>>??? > I'll send you that list later today.
>>
>>??? >
>>
>>??? > 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>??? >
>>
>>??? > Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>
>>??? >
>>
>>??? > > Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before,
>> but they
>>
>>??? > > always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to
>> put the
>>
>>??? > > records in perspective.
>>
>>??? > >
>>
>>??? > > 73,
>>
>>??? > >
>>
>>??? > > Paul, N8HM
>>
>>??? > >
>>
>>??? > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>
>>??? > > wrote:
>>
>>??? > >
>>
>>??? > >> Hi,
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >> Thanks!
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets
>> standing
>>
>>??? > >> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If
>> you'd like
>>
>>??? > >> that I can send it to you later.
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>
>>??? > >>
>>
>>??? > >> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications
>> Satellites page.
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think 
>> you
>> may hold
>>
>>??? > >>> the record!
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> 73,
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>??? > >>>
>>
>>??? > >>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know
>> about any
>>
>>??? > >>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT
>> website!
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> This is what I can find:
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>>
>>??? > >>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in 
>> IM99sl48cx)
>>
>>??? > >>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in
>> JN17ea22ot)
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite,
>> please post
>>
>>??? > >>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> 73,
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>
>>??? > >>>> wrote:
>>
>>??? > >>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>> Hi all!
>>
>>??? > >>>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite
>> confirmed
>>
>>??? > >>>>> QRB records?
>>
>>??? > >>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>
>>??? > >>>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>>??? > >>>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>>>
>>
>>??? > >>>>> --
>>
>>??? > >>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>
>>??? > >>>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Nov 20 00:46:37 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:46:37 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
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That's only about 14,150km. Nice QSO, but not quite Claudio's 16,337km
between Italy and Queensland.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Peter Budnik <kb1hy2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> KB1HY  CT FN31MR to Spratley VIA AO13 Mode B
>
> What do you think?
>
> Peter,KB1HY
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm at arrl.net>
> To: <claudio at ariotti.com>
> Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
>
>
> Thanks, Claudio.
>>
>> I'll put your QSO with VK4ASB (16,337km) up for now unless someone has one
>> better than that from AO-13. What mode was that? I'm assuming Mode B?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:16 PM, claudio <claudio at ariotti.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>    Hi Pedro,
>>>    I found this 2 Qso by AO-13 when I was using IW1BMJ callsign:
>>>    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK8KTC in PH86ed (Jun 7, 1990 12:19 UTC)
>>>    IW1BMJ in JN45fc and VK4ASB in QG62mp ( Nov18, 1990 23:04 UTC)
>>>      73'  Claudio IK1SLD
>>>
>>>    Da "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
>>>
>>>    A amsat-bb at amsat.org
>>>
>>>    Cc
>>>
>>>    Data Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:01:23 +0000
>>>
>>>    Oggetto Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite QRB records
>>>
>>>    > Hi,
>>>
>>>    >
>>>
>>>    > I'm using formulas to determine the distance to the horizon from the
>>>
>>>    > satellite, then the distance across the (curved) surface between two
>>>
>>>    > opposite locations.
>>>
>>>    > Again, it's meant for sea level. AO-7 solves with 7,858.478 Km which
>>>
>>>    > is below the record of 7,947.381 Km. This is because the higher from
>>>
>>>    > the sea level you are, the farther you are in the sat horizon.
>>>
>>>    > I'll send you that list later today.
>>>
>>>    >
>>>
>>>    > 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>>
>>>    >
>>>
>>>    > Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>>
>>>    >
>>>
>>>    > > Thanks, Pedro. I've seen calculations for those distances before,
>>> but they
>>>
>>>    > > always seem to vary by method used. It would be a nice addition to
>>> put the
>>>
>>>    > > records in perspective.
>>>
>>>    > >
>>>
>>>    > > 73,
>>>
>>>    > >
>>>
>>>    > > Paul, N8HM
>>>
>>>    > >
>>>
>>>    > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>>
>>>    > > wrote:
>>>
>>>    > >
>>>
>>>    > >> Hi,
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >> Thanks!
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >> I'm compiling a list of the maximum possible QRBs for two targets
>>> standing
>>>
>>>    > >> at sea level, and the max known sat altitude that I can find. If
>>> you'd like
>>>
>>>    > >> that I can send it to you later.
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >> Quoting Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>:
>>>
>>>    > >>
>>>
>>>    > >> This page is now live on the AMSAT website:
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> There's a link to it at the bottom of the Communications
>>> Satellites page.
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> Again, please claim records for other satellites if you think
>>> you
>>> may hold
>>>
>>>    > >>> the record!
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> 73,
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> Paul, N8HM
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    > >>>
>>>
>>>    > >>> There has been things like that in the past, but I don't know
>>> about any
>>>
>>>    > >>>> currently existing. We could certainly create one on the AMSAT
>>> website!
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> This is what I can find:
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> AO-40 - 18,263km (I8CVS in JN70es and ZL1AOX in RF72mv)
>>>
>>>    > >>>> AO-7 - 7,947.381km (KG5CCI in EM24uq01mu and EA5TT in
>>> IM99sl48cx)
>>>
>>>    > >>>> FO-29 - 7,599.959km (KG5CCI in EM34st11tl and F4CQA in
>>> JN17ea22ot)
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> If anyone would like to claim records on any other satellite,
>>> please post
>>>
>>>    > >>>> your claim. I will create a page with this information.
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> 73,
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> Paul, N8HM
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    > >>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>>    > >>>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> Is there any website around that keeps track of each satellite
>>> confirmed
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> QRB records?
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> I'm looking into how far anyone worked on each sat.
>>>
>>>    > >>>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>>>
>>>    > >>>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> --
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> believed to be clean.
>>>
>>>    > >>>>>
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>>> available
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>>> membership.
>>>
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>>>
>>>    > >>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
>>> official
>>> views of
>>>
>>>    > >>>>> AMSAT-NA.
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 01:03:46 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:03:46 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Colorado Amateur Satellite net Begins in 1 hour
Message-ID: <CAJNyT08kcY65XsPJMECnF2dBKcnrjdsCJhK7OMQgMpi8BGXfoQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is a reminder that the Colorado Amateur Satellite net will begin in 1
hour from now (7PM mountain time Thursday).

6PM Pacific
7PM Mountain
8PM Central
9PM Eastern


Please visit us on

*AMSATNET.INFO <http://amsatnet.info/>*

*IRLP*
9870, the Denver Reflector

*ALLSTAR LINK*

40764, direct hookup to the repeater here. 41715, KC9ZHV hub at a data
center if I am out of bandwidth. More info on AllStar - amsatnet.info/#node

*ECHOLINK*

*AMSAT*  unless there is an ARISS contact, then go direct to KD0WHB-L

*LOCAL RF*
449.625 (-) 141.3 ( W?KU Lookout Mountain)
447.225 (-) 141.3 (The STEM school repeater we set up)
447.850 (-) 141.3 (AC?KQ's repeater where he lives on TOP of saddleback
mountain)
147.450 SIMPLEX (Aurora, CO)
446.275 (-) 100.0 Galena St. Local repeater at my house, giving a whopping
5 blocks of great coverage

*REMOTE RF*

Your Repeater here!, Email me if you want to link in or me to link your
echolink or allstar repeater in automatically (no automatic IRLP linking
supported)



Skyler Fennell
amsatnet.info
KD?WHB
electricity440 at gmail.com

From yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 20 00:40:55 2015
From: yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com (P. Suryono Adisoemarta)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:40:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Repeater Test at IO-86 Satellite
References: <787086162.6328725.1447980055572.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <787086162.6328725.1447980055572.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dear all,
We just received a confirmation for the upcoming test of the FM Repeater on IO-86 Satellite (LAPAN-A2/ORARI), 
that would be conducted this weekend:
- Saturday, 21 Nov 2015, at 02:30 UTC - 04:50UTC 
- Sunday, 22 Nov 2015, at 02:55 ? 05:00 UTC
Voice Repeater info:
- Uplink 145.880 Mhz tone 88,5
- Downlink 435.880 Mhz 
AMSAT Keplerian data
0 IO-86
1 40931U 15052B?? 15316.15776324? .00001070? 00000-0? 60618-4 0? 9994
2 40931?? 6.0030? 69.3893 0012877 275.6206? 84.2533 14.76374433? 6653

As the satellite was designed for emcomm using handheld radio (the reason of the relatively high-power downlink), 
we would like all reports of portable ops (handheld radio using some sort of portable directional antenna, 
ie. CJU / IOio / Moxon / Arrow / etc).

73 de Suryono Adisoemarta ? YD0NXX / N5SNN



From the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp  Fri Nov 20 01:13:47 2015
From: the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp (J. Boyd (JR2TTS))
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:13:47 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Repeater Test at IO-86 Satellite
In-Reply-To: <787086162.6328725.1447980055572.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <787086162.6328725.1447980055572.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<787086162.6328725.1447980055572.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20151120101204.DF07.THE2BELO@msd.biglobe.ne.jp>

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:40:55 +0000 (UTC), "P. Suryono Adisoemarta via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>  Dear all,
> We just received a confirmation for the upcoming test of the FM Repeater on IO-86 Satellite (LAPAN-A2/ORARI), 
> that would be conducted this weekend:
> - Saturday, 21 Nov 2015, at 02:30 UTC - 04:50UTC 
> - Sunday, 22 Nov 2015, at 02:55 ? 05:00 UTC
> Voice Repeater info:
> - Uplink 145.880 Mhz tone 88,5
> - Downlink 435.880 Mhz 
> AMSAT Keplerian data
> 0 IO-86
> 1 40931U 15052B?? 15316.15776324? .00001070? 00000-0? 60618-4 0? 9994
> 2 40931?? 6.0030? 69.3893 0012877 275.6206? 84.2533 14.76374433? 6653

Thanks for the info. Is this repeater planned to be commissioned for
regular use later, or is that not yet determined? (I ask because I will
likely not be able to participate because of foul weather....)

-- 
J. Boyd, JR2TTS/NI3B
the2belo at msd.biglobe.ne.jp
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the2belo/
http://www.qrz.com/db/JR2TTS
Twitter: @Minus2_C


From g0kla at arrl.net  Fri Nov 20 01:56:42 2015
From: g0kla at arrl.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:56:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube Dongle Pro+ settings with FoxTelem 1.02b
In-Reply-To: <jaTN1r0055LoKnP01aTNjo@gmail.com>
References: <CAPRXzyrG62jWmkctbtkAgJ=jr4NMS_fdN8jA+S=ejukC_CzaFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D273AF79.5830C%seb@wintek.com> <jaTN1r0055LoKnP01aTNjo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJOf0+sRDwme8MO5XNZ4Zx77iGBZKH-t==Rtn6m0q9YytjFW_w@mail.gmail.com>

You also want to experiment with the LNA Gain and Mixer Gain.  I set the
LNA Gain ON and the Mixer Gain OFF.  Again that is needed to get a low
noise floor.

Chris

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Mark L. Hammond <marklhammond at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Yes, make this number 4!
>
> 4-I find under Windows 7 with the FCDP+ a Recording Device volume setting
> of "3" gives me a decent noise floor (between -75 and -100) on FoxTelem.
>  Getting the noise floor level down to a reasonable level is important.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark N8MH
>
>
> At 09:58 PM 11/19/2015 +0000, Stephen  E. Belter wrote:
> >Mark,
> >
> >Didn?t you also experiment with the Windows audio input setting?
> >
> > From memory, I think it defaults to 100 under Windows 10 and you found it
> >worked better at a lower value, like 4-5?
> >
> >73, Steve N9IP
> >--
> >Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com
> >
> >
> >
> >On 11/19/15, 4:05 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Mark L. Hammond"
> ><amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org on behalf of marklhammond at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Bob,
> >>
> >>I am going to copy AMSAT-BB because this will help some others I hope!
> >>
> >>Here is what works well for me and the FuncubeDongle Pro + and FoxTelem
> >>1.02b:
> >>
> >>1-On main screen, "Check" Track Doppler and Find Signal; I use default
> >>values in the boxes (15.0dB, 6.0dB)
> >>
> >>2-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to both Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D parameter
> >>screens and "Uncheck"  Track when Find Signal Enabled
> >>
> >>3-Under the Spacecraft Menu, go to Fox-1A and "Check" Track when Find
> >>Signal Enabled; I use Downlink=145979, Lower Freq. Bound=145973, Upper
> >>Freq. Bound=145985
> >>
> >>THAT should get your good, fast lock on the Fox-1A signal.    Works well
> >>here setup like that.
> >>
> >>Let me know how you make out!
> >>
> >>73,
> >>
> >>Mark N8MH
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Bob KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Mark.
> >>> Early on with Fox1A "somebody" emailed me about trimming down the
> >>> FOX1A_fm.dat a bit and limiting the scan range for FoxTelem to find the
> >>> beacon early on in an orbit.
> >>>
> >>> I just beeefwittedly overwrote some data files when updating the
> >>> FoxTelem program. Thus I now have numerous "Tabs" of Fox1-1C and H and
> >>> so forth.
> >>>
> >>> Were you the one who suggested the trim-down ?
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise, any ideas on shaping that Dat file to make it find the
> signal
> >>> earlier and stay locked on?
> >>>
> >>> Mine "was" working just fine with whatever I'd put in the folder. Or
> >>> maybe the stock program as it is now written is just fine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 73,
> >>> Bob KD7YZ
> >>> www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
> >>> AmSat LM#901
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
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> >>_______________________________________________
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-- 
Chris E. Thompson
chrisethompson at gmail.com
g0kla at arrl.net

From w9gb at icloud.com  Fri Nov 20 05:19:07 2015
From: w9gb at icloud.com (Gregory Beat)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:19:07 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6184A921-1EA5-44B3-92DE-4F88AF6E3F44@icloud.com>

Spaceflight Now expanded on Tory Bruno's ULA CEO announcement from Thursday, November 19.  University of Colorado at Boulder appears to be lined up for an early launch (ULA is headquartered in Colorado).

ULA says it will launch some cubesats for free
https://spaceflightnow.com/2015/11/19/ula-says-it-will-launch-some-cubesats-for-free/



Sent from iPad Air

From g0mrf at aol.com  Fri Nov 20 10:42:17 2015
From: g0mrf at aol.com (David G0MRF)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:42:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 downlink
In-Reply-To: <001101d12307$cda438d0$68ecaa70$@GMAIL.COM>
Message-ID: <151247ccd3a-79eb-6561@webprd-a29.mail.aol.com>


An interesting time for AO-85.
 
Looking at Nova, it seems the satellite has moved into an orbit without any eclipse periods.
The telemetry will be interesting over the next few days.
 
73
 
David
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan <wa4sca at gmail.com>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:21
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 downlink

Hi Pedro,

I have been looking at this, using some precision time and frequency equipment to measure the
downlink.  On today's pass at 1530 UTC it was running about 3 KHz below the nominal frequency, AOS to
LOS. The magnitude of the difference has been increasing along with the component operating
temperatures. It will be interesting to see whether that trend continues at elevated temperatures.
Looking forward to this afternoon's passes.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA


<-----Original Message-----
<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Pedro Sousa via AMSAT-BB
<Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 1:24 PM
<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 downlink
<
<Hi,
<
<I just had a 80 plus degrees pass by AO-85 and noticed that the downlink
<frequency was, at the descent phase, off by 10kHz at 145.970.
<Despite correcting for Doppler I've never seen this kind of deviation
<before in such a overhead pass, where usually stands around 145.977.
<
<73 de Pedro CU2ZG
<
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From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 20 10:44:16 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:44:16 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova question
Message-ID: <C153C00507254094926AB44975691BB6@allgood.local>

Thanks everyone for the feedback!

All seems now to be working again properly.

I removed the existing Novakeps.dat file and repaired the software from the 
setup.exe programme. I then modified the internet keps update to only look 
at the ftp://www.amsat.org/amsat/keps/current/nasabare.txt file. This is a 
much smaller file than I had originally!

So far so good - after 24 hours operation the antennas are rotating properly 
still

73

Graham


-----Original Message----- 
From: Graham Shirville
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:35 AM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: Nova question

Hi All,

I have been a NOVA user for many years but I know find that, when it is set
up to drive the rotator to track FUNcube-1, at start up I get a Nova message
box that says ? List index out of bounds (0) " - this comes up immediately,
before the prog starts to update the keps, and the rotator operation is very
unreliable.

I am using W10 machine and a  LVB tracker box with its built in USB
converter.

Any suggestions about a cure would be much appreciated...

thanks

Graham
G3VZV 


From tomdoyle1948 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 16:41:44 2015
From: tomdoyle1948 at gmail.com (Thomas Doyle)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:41:44 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] High Performance Portable Rotor
Message-ID: <CAHnRQRJX6JcuxkSu-1zttLT0twVRD6ULirp0PZ03byVL32q+5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

http://www.tomdoyle.org/hpr

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 20 19:10:11 2015
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:10:11 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?iso-8859-1?q?Upcoming_ARISS_contact_with_Scuola_Medi?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?a_Statale_=22G=2E_Marconi=22=2C_Soleto=2C_Lecce=2C_?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Italy?=
Message-ID: <0E10F755001E4D4F8BB69C561963DE62@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Scuola Media Statale "G. Marconi", Soleto, Lecce, Italy

on 23 Nov. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 09:21 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK4KHZ. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

Scuola Media Statale "G. Marconi":

The Soleto state institute includes preschool, primary school and 1st grade secondary school in the Cities of Soleto, Zollino, and Sternatia. A total of 811 students are attending in these three locations. There are 10 sections of preschool, 20 of primary school and 12 of secondary school 1st grade

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1. How long do people train to become an astronaut?

2. At first, were you afraid of living on the space station?

3. Do astronauts get cabin fever while they're in orbit?

4. What are the objectives of your mission?

5. Why don't they place the moles on the comets surface?

6. About the veggie experiment, how many days does it take to grow salad and 

   what's its taste?

7. Is it true that clothes become garbage when used?

8. What time zone is used on the ISS?

9. How do they dispose of the rubbish?

10. Which is the best moment on a space day?

11. Is there space junk?

12. Do you like living with other six people?

13. Do you sleep in a sleeping bag or in a bed?

14. Have you got any problems on the ISS?

15. Do you bring a supply of additional food from earth?

16. What's your favorite planet?

17. How do you communicate with earth?

18. What are you doing on the station at the moment?

19. How do you wash your hair?

20. When did you start to enjoy astronomy?

21. In the USA a pensioner, the famous astronaut John Glenn, went into space 

    at the age of 69. wasn't he too old?

22. Which is the first place you want to see when you return home?

23. How expensive is going in space?

24. How has this experience changed your life?

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

  

   1. Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden,  telebridge via VE4ISS

      The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS

      The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 

      Contact is a go for: Wed, Nov. 25, 2015 09:44 UTC

 

 

ARISS is an international educational outreach program partnering the volunteer support and leadership from AMSAT and IARU societies around the world with the ISS space agencies partners: NASA, Russian Space Agency, ESA, CNES, JAXA, and CSA.

 

ARISS offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers on-board the International Space Station. Teachers, parents and communities see, first hand, how Amateur Radio and crewmembers on ISS can energize youngsters' interest in science, technology, and learning. Further information on the ARISS program visit the ARISS website at ariss.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 


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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Nov 20 20:36:27 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:36:27 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Trivia
In-Reply-To: <CAFABCXAhN5Um1eOt_dPwfu-utexyPJ8VULG-MrHApXzaJ53xCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFABCXAhN5Um1eOt_dPwfu-utexyPJ8VULG-MrHApXzaJ53xCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUehF-Pv2CHUzEt8BasjvCQ21v6YnU+wbzhsVSLeuKk4cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave!

Glad I could be helpful with some grids for your satellite
VUCC award!

Ever since ARRL fixed LOTW in 2011 to accept station locations
with more than 1 grid locator for those operating at grid
boundaries and intersections, I have put all of my logs
into that system. It took a lot of setup to get things ready
for my logs to go into LOTW, with (at the time) well over 100
different station locations I needed for my satellite operating.
I still need to define new station locations when I operate from
new locations, but that's not a big deal now. And I do try to
upload my logs quickly, as some have mentioned on Twitter - even
when I'm away from home.

For those that don't care for LOTW, and/or still like the paper
confirmation, I still print and send out QSL cards. Sometimes I
will preemptively send QSL cards out for my trips to different
grids, even to those who use LOTW and have received a confirmation
there. If you work me and want a QSL card, just e-mail me the
QSO details. If you're in the log, I'll drop a card your way.

Hope to get you more grids in the future. 73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK


   Now for the trivia part of this post.  Rovers made up a large part of my
> LOTW log.   Those that uploaded multiple grids for my award were as
> follows:
>
> KG5CCI - 14 grids,   AC0RA (W0N) - 13 grids,  WD9EWK - 8 grids
> W5PFG - 5 grids,    N8HM - 3 grids,   KX9X - 3 grids,  WA7HQD - 3 grids,
> K8YSE - 2 grids,  KA4H - 2 grids,  N6UA - 2 grids,  VE3NKL - 2 grids
>
>    That is 57 grids out of 107 total.  In that stack of cards that I have
> yet to turn in for credit are additional grid confirmations from some of
> those listed above.  My best example is my QSL from KF9PL/6Y5 (now KX9X)
> from 5/27/94.
>
>

From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 20 22:14:11 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:14:11 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 in transponder mode for our 2nd Birthday
In-Reply-To: <2065029581.6682537.1448044880831.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <90AF7FC37A104A31819994774F6A5CDA@jimPC2>
	<2065029581.6682537.1448044880831.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4103E6ACAEE645878A643CC5520EF6D4@allgood.local>

Hi All,
Just to confirm that, as usual, FUNcube-1 is now in permanent transponder mode for the weekend. Tomorrow, Nov 21st, marks our second birthday in space and an update about the mission has just been posted on the http://funcube.org.uk/2015/11/20/the-second-birthday-of-funcube-1/  webpage to celebrate this event.
The FUNcube team is really delighted to have reached this milestone with the spacecraft continuing to perform pretty well perfectly. We are very grateful to everyone who is continuing to download the telemetry and to forward the data to our Data Warehouse. It is really valuable both to the Operations team and for outreach purposes. Please keep this data flowing if you can and if you know of any possible listening sites in out of the way places around the globe we would be pleased to hear about them.
We are continuing to develop further enhancements of the ground software and will be making further announcements about these as soon as we can.
Have FUN
73
Graham G3VZV
FUNcube-1 Ops Team

From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov 20 23:30:03 2015
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 23:30:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SPROUT SSTV + Nayif-1 at YouthConnect
References: <544720696.13232539.1448062203229.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Second Birthday of FUNcube-1 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/20/second-birthday-of-funcube-1/

SPROUT SSTV and Digitalker active every Sunday 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/19/sprout-sstv-active-sundays/

Updated SSETI Express Observation Report 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/19/updated-sseti-express-observation-report/

Nayif-1 at YouthConnect 
http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/14/nayif-1-at-youthconnect/


73 Trevor M5AKA
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Nov 21 13:37:09 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 08:37:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-13(B) Record Updated - Still looking for more!
Message-ID: <CABzOSOraYeJpO=0eoRBwR-aDkQEK2aaB0d+0zxqLEw-7ZfCpSg@mail.gmail.com>

NJ1H submitted an updated record for AO-13 Mode B this morning - a 16,464
km QSO between him in FN42fs and VK1ZZT in QF44ms on 5-Oct-1988. That edges
out IK1SLD's 16,337 km QSO with VK4ASB.

Did anyone ever do better?

I would also like to find records for other satellites, including, but not
limited to:

AO-6
AO-7(A)
AO-8(A)
AO-8(J)
RS-*
AO-10(B)
AO-10(L)
AO-13(L)
AO-13(S)
ISS (Packet)
ISS (Repeater)
AO-27
AO-51
VO-52
SO-50

The AMSAT Satellite Distance Record page is located at
http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751

73,

Paul, N8HM

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sat Nov 21 16:38:29 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:38:29 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK @ DM33/DM43 in Phoenix, now
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUfSca3vpXSS355TFP0ORuMyVkwwbHc=HvfgkzON+syN6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I have been working passes from the DM33xp/DM43ap grid
boundary in Phoenix since 1600 UTC, and will be here for another
hour or two. This used to be my "home QTH" when working
satellites for several years. My location is visible via APRS
or http://aprs.fi/WD9EWK-9 and I have been updating my
@WD9EWK Twitter feed (http://twitter.com/WD9EWK ) as
well. QSOs will be uploaded to LOTW later today.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Sat Nov 21 19:36:45 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:36:45 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO hunt from HM77fr
In-Reply-To: <564CDD75.8010005@dutrasousa.name>
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	<564A3CE7.6000901@dutrasousa.name>
	<AAAFAB10F39640AAAA66001733FEAEB2@AA5PKPC>
	<564CDD75.8010005@dutrasousa.name>
Message-ID: <5650C7CD.3000607@dutrasousa.name>

Hi All,

It has been a busy week.
Just a reminder that I'll be this evening on XW-2F at 2100UTC. That pass 
covers from Washington DC up to Detroit.
Tomorrow I'll be on SO-50 at 1410UTC.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG

On 18/11/2015 19:20, Pedro Sousa via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to Glenn AA5PK for pulling me out of a 3.47 degrees elevation 
> on AO-7 today, setting my new QRB record of 4170.5 miles (6711.8 Km).
> I'll be on the rest of the week, according to the plan below.
>
> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
> HM77fr
>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Sousa via AMSAT-BB
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:30 PM
>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO hunt from HM77fr
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm on a daily hunt for QSOs west of my location.
>>
>> Here are my plans for this week:
>>
>> Wednesday 18th at 19:25 UTC on a AO-7 looking for US and Canadian calls
>> specially those around the line from Manitoba, North Dakota down to
>> Texas. Any South/Central American calls are also very welcome!
>> Same on Friday 18th around 19:17 UTC.
>> Daily evening passes of XW-2F looking for East Coast.
>> Daily late night passes of AO-73.
>> SO-50 on Saturday at 13:50 UTC and 15:30 UTC, and again on Sunday at
>> 14:10 UTC, for those seeking FM contact to Europe.
>> Weekends, occasionally, on FO-29.
>>
>> On linear sats you can find me, as always, on center frequency +2kHz.
>>
>> Looking forward!
>>
>> 73 de Pedro CU2ZG
>> HM77fr
>>
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From dave at g4dpz.me.uk  Sat Nov 21 20:16:42 2015
From: dave at g4dpz.me.uk (David Johnson)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:16:42 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube Warehouse
Message-ID: <CAHOBG6UQWFyWzXkSsqnONybjOoYuBe_6evm4CmG8H8__2-C+FQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There may be a some short short outages of the display part of the
warehouse as we do
some upgrades.

The upload data service will not affected.

Happy birthday FC1 !!!!

73

Dave, G4DPZ

From AJ9N at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 22:08:14 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:08:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-21 22:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <f3b8d.3df801f7.4382454e@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-21  22:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Scuola Media Statale ?G. Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy,  telebridge via 
VK4KHZ 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is go for: Mon  2015-11-23 09:21:53 UTC 87 deg
Watch for live stream at  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFhGc2nes4 (***)

Dragonskolan,  Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a  go for: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25 UTC 78  deg

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-21 22:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1009.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 974. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-17 19:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From rhyolite at leikhim.com  Sun Nov 22 02:15:45 2015
From: rhyolite at leikhim.com (Joe Leikhim)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 21:15:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb]  AO-13(B) Record Updated - Still looking for more!
Message-ID: <56512551.2030502@leikhim.com>

What would be the record for AO10? I think I have a 12,001.66 KM with 
JA6BX way back when I was KE4TZH (now K4SAT).  EM70UP to PM53EN. Most my 
other qso's were about 8,000 km.

-- 
Joe Leikhim


Leikhim and Associates

Communications Consultants

Oviedo, Florida

JLeikhim at Leikhim.com

407-982-0446

WWW.LEIKHIM.COM


From daniel at destevez.net  Sun Nov 22 12:34:02 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:34:02 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] SPROUT SSTV + Nayif-1 at YouthConnect
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Message-ID: <5651B63A.3080301@destevez.net>

El 20/11/15 a las 23:30, M5AKA escribi?:

> SPROUT SSTV and Digitalker active every Sunday 
> http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/19/sprout-sstv-active-sundays/

Is anyone listening for the SSTV on SPROUT? I was listening on the
12:20UTC pass and heard the CW beacon on 437.525 fine, but no trace of
any other signal.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From wao at vfr.net  Sun Nov 22 14:00:25 2015
From: wao at vfr.net (Joseph Spier)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 06:00:25 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-326 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <5651CA79.5000300@vfr.net>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-326
The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* AO-85 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations
* The Second Birthday of FUNcube-1 (AO-73)
* FM Repeater Test at IO-86 Satellite
* AMSAT-LU announces transponder satellite payload and launch
* Space Brazilian Agency With Amateur radio PY2SDR LABRE/AMSAT-BR
* United Launch Alliance Reveals Transformational CubeSat Launch Program
* Nayif-1 at UAE YouthConnect
* DeorbitSail Update and Initial Camera Image
* SPROUT SSTV and Digitalker active every Sunday
* AMSAT Events
* ARISS News
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-326.01
ANS-326 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 326.01
 >From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE November 22, 2015
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-326.01


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AO-85 Commissioned, Handed Over To AMSAT-NA Operations


AO-85 has been formally commissioned and turned over to AMSAT
Operations, who are now responsible for the scheduling and modes.

The following guidelines are provided for users:

Uplink power should be on the order of minimum 200 W EIRP for full
quieting at lower antenna elevation angles. Your mileage may vary.
With an Arrow, 5 W has been used successfully to make contacts.

Polarity is important. The satellite antennas are linear. So, if you
are using linearly polarized antennas, you will need to adjust
throughout the pass. Full duplex operation facilitates these
adjustments while transmitting and is highly recommended.

The downlink is very strong and should be heard well with almost any
antenna.

Downlink audio is 5 kHz deviation, as expected. Many will perceive
that the audio is "low." This is an effect of the filtering below 300
Hz, which provides for the DUV telemetry, coupled with any noise on
the uplink signal resulting from lack of full quieting or being off
frequency. That makes for less fidelity than a typical receiver in
terms of audio frequencies passed.

Transmit (downlink) frequency varies with temperature.  Due to the
wide range of temperatures we are seeing in the eclipse cycle, the
transmitter can be anywhere from around 500 Hz low at 10?C to near 2
kHz low at 40?C.

Receive frequency has been generally agreed to be about 435.170 MHz,
although the AFC makes that hard to pin down and also helps with the
uplinks that are off frequency.

Probably the most notable observations about AO-85 are an apparent
lack of sensitivity and difficulty in turning on the repeater with
the 67 Hz CTCSS when it is not yet activated, or holding it on by the
presence of the CTCSS.  We have determined a probable cause for the
sensitivity issue and while that can't be fixed on AO-85 we are
taking steps to prevent similar issues on the rest of the Fox-1
CubeSats.  The tone detection threshold along with the receive
sensitivity issue makes it hard to bring up the repeater.  This is
being addressed by adjusting the values for a valid tone detection in
the other Fox-1 CubeSats now that we have on orbit information about
temperatures and power budget.  Full details will be in the Nov/Dec
AMSAT Journal.

It is important to remember that science is the reason behind the
Fox-1 satellites. Not only does science help with the launch cost, it
provides a great amount of educational value both from the science
payload and in amateur radio itself. The data-under-voice (DUV)
telemetry is an excellent way to provide the science without
sacrificing the use of the satellite for communications, which would
be the case if higher speed downlinks were needed. DUV provides
constant science as long as the repeater is in use, which in turn
provides more downlink data for the science - a mutually beneficial
combination.

Fox-1A is AMSAT-NA's first CubeSat. Many new techniques are
incorporated and lessons will be learned, as with any new "product."
The Fox-1 Project is a series of CubeSats. A total of five will be
built and flown. Launches are scheduled for three more, and a new
NASA CubeSat Launch Initiative proposal will be submitted for the
fifth. We will incorporate changes from what we learn in each launch,
to the extent possible, in subsequent Fox-1 CubeSats.

Of the four NASA sponsored CubeSats on the ELaNa XII launch October
8, we are sad to report that ARC1 was never heard from and BisonSat
was lost after a few weeks of operation. AMSAT extends our deepest
sympathy to the people who worked so hard on these projects. To our
members, we want to say that the Fox Team is very proud and pleased
that our first CubeSat is very successful and hopefully will be for
some time.


[ANS thanks AMSAT's Vice President of Engineering, Jerry Buxton, N0JY
for the above information]


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The Second Birthday of FUNcube-1 (AO-73)


The FUNcube-1 Ops Team reports:
FUNcube-1 was launched into space two years ago on November 21st 2013.

We are delighted to be able to report that more than 900 stations, including
many schools around the world, have received the telemetry from the 
spacecraft
since launch. Our Data Warehouse is storing more than 750 MB of data from
almost 1 million data packets. We are very grateful to everyone who has been
contributing to the success of this mission. Please continue to keep the 
data
flowing as it will provide a valuable resource for students in the future.

The stats continue ? speeding along at around 17,500 mph, FUNcube-1, 
which had
a launch mass of just 982 grams, has completed more than 10,500 orbits 
of the
earth. This means a total distance travelled of more than 260 million miles.

All telemetry sensors continue to provide valid data, real time, whole orbit
and high resolution channels alike. The flight code is really robust and we
have only had three unexpected ?events? since launch. Two of these we 
believe
to have been caused by noise of the command receiver being incorrectly
interpreted as a command and only one appears to have been caused by a RAM
error. The battery and solar panels also continue to work perfectly and 
provide
a very positive power budget.

We have sent out many Fitter messages for school and other similar events.
Earlier this week there was a demonstration at Thorne Green Top School in
Yorkshire.

Here is a report from Dave EI4HT/M0GIW:
Good Morning All

Firstly -thanks to all for your help, we had a great morning at Green 
Top and
the highlight was FUNcube.

  I started with a slide show talking about communications from cave 
paintings
all the way up to smartphones, we looked at space communications and travel
from Sputnik to Astra and Apollo to the Millennium Falcon! We spoke about
satellites and how they are used every day and how we all got to watch 
?I?m A
Celebrity? via Satellite last night from Australia.

I brought in lots of props too, some old Motorola MX330 radios, some PMR 
446,
and a marine band radio .I also had a small model of a CubeSat that I 
knocked
up over the weekend, I also passed around some NOAA images from last week?s
Abigail storm and I had a few QSL cards from ISS and MIR from years ago 
when I
lived in Ireland.

The FUNcube pass was great, really strong signals, I had my turnstile 
and FCD
set up and had audio through speakers and used the class projector to show
Satpc32 and the Dashboard.

There was a great buzz of excitement when we got the first packet and even
more when the Fitter messages came through. The kids were fascinated to 
see the
signal arrive just as the software predicted and then hear the telemetry and
the decode.

After the pass we were able to look at the Warehouse online and print 
off the
QSL card and certificate.

  I didn?t get a chance to take many pics but Mrs Overson will update the
School Blog and she took lots of pics.

http://greentopschool.co.uk/blog

Once again thanks to all at FUNcube, looking forward to Tim Peake on the ISS
in the New Year and planning another visit to the School then.

  Regards
Dave EI4HT / M0GIW

PS: I was back dropping my own kids off this morning and Mrs Overson told me
they have printed a QSL card and Certificate for each of the students 
and they
have used them for their class journals.


As well providing a great educational resource, FUNcube-1 operates at night
and generally at weekends with the linear transponder active for radio 
amateurs
to use for communications. The transponder continues to provide an excellent
service. As users will be aware, the transponder uplink frequencies vary 
with
receiver temperature. The RX temp telemetry channel is the best one to 
use for
tracking this effect. This does make it quite difficult to use full computer
control for transponder operations and we have already developed new 
oscillator
circuits to improve this performance for future missions.

For the telemetry uplinked to the Data Warehouse, it is possible to download
special Certificate or QSL Card here
http://amsatuk.me.uk/on/funcube_qsl.php
and, for transponder users, the ?73 on 73 award? continues at
http://amsat-uk.org/funcube/73-on-73-award/

The Nayif-1 CubeSat mission, which includes a full FUNcube payload, is
expected to be launched into a similar orbit in the first half of next 
year and
will provide an additional level of service to the community.

Meanwhile we hope everyone will continue to have fun with FUNcube-1!

See:
http://funcube.org.uk/2015/11/20/the-second-birthday-of-funcube-1/


[ANS thanks Graham, G3VZV and the FUNcube-1 Ops Team for the above 
information]


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FM Repeater Test at IO-86 Satellite


A confirmation for the upcoming test of the FM Repeater on IO-86 Satellite
(LAPAN-A2/ORARI), has been announced and would be conducted this weekend:
- Saturday, 21 Nov 2015, at 02:30 UTC - 04:50UTC
- Sunday, 22 Nov 2015, at 02:55 ? 05:00 UTC
Voice Repeater info:
- Uplink 145.880 Mhz tone 88,5
- Downlink 435.880 Mhz

AMSAT Keplerian data
0 IO-86
1 40931U 15052B   15316.15776324  .00001070  00000-0  60618-4 0 9994
2 40931   6.0030  69.3893 0012877 275.6206  84.2533 14.76374433 6653

As the satellite was designed for emcomm using handheld radio (the 
reason of
the relatively high-power downlink), we would like all reports of 
portable ops
(handheld radio using some sort of portable directional antenna,
i.e. CJU / IOio / Moxon / Arrow / etc).

Responses via the amsat-bb


[ANS thanks Suryono Adisoemarta ? YD0NXX / N5SNN for the above information]


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AMSAT-LU announces transponder satellite payload and launch


(From AMSAT-LU Facebook page:)
Dear friends,

Since several years ago AMSAT Argentina is working to keep alive the 
dream of
many amateur radio back into space with a satellite of its own, which is the
continuity of the legendary LuSat-1 of the a?os1990 and reaping the 
benefits of
the technological advance of our days.

For this held various technical activities, developing experiments on board
the occasional platforms, all with the same objective: to preserve the human
group, enhance their capabilities and spread their resources by guiding 
them to
the education and development of the activity.

In recent times, AMSAT Argentina has been working in many ways with the
company Satellogic, which already launched three satellites of low orbit:
Captain Beto, manolito and tita, two of them are now broadcast telemetry and
data in uhf and are identified in the Distinctive LU7AA.

Under an agreement signed between the two institutions AMSAT-LU provides
support to those missions operate one of the stations of control in uppsala,
Prov. Of BS. As.

Currently satellogic is facing the construction of a constellation of
satellites of observation of the earth and has invited AMSAT-LU to 
participate
in the project of the next two satellites, the ?USAT 1 AND ?USAT 2, 
riding on
one of them a Linear Transponder Analog Amateur Radio Antenna and its
corresponding.

The experiment which provides AMSAT was tested on several occasions in the
land, and also on board one of flights in a balloon launched from the 
prov. Of
the Pampas. At that time was called carposat, showing a good performance in
spite of its low power and small size and weight.

On this occasion, the experiment of AMSAT LU - that has no name yet own 
- will
be further reduced in its dimensions and mounted on a plaque radiadora 
of 10 x
10 cm, in which also won't hold the necessary components for the Source 
of food
and the duplexer. The package will be installed on the bus from the NUSAT,
which will provide the energy and will be part of a number of other 
experiments
that will carry out this satellite.

The Transponder receives in the band of UHF and VHF Transmitted in, has a
bandwidth of 30 Khz and its output power is 200 mw.;

Frequencies of ascent 435.935 ~ 965 Lsb / CW,
Frequencies of descent 145.965 ~ 935 USB / CW.
Basic telemetry in 145.900 CW.

The launch is scheduled for April 2016 with a Chinese launcher in a 
polar orbit
at 500 km. In Height and an inclination of 97 degrees with respect to the
equator.

This is an extraordinary opportunity to our institution, and for all the
Radioamateurs Argentines, be able to have a new satellite in orbit, 
after after
so many years of successful LuSat-1.

So far, the funds needed for the preliminary activities of recent years, the
construction and the logistics, were provided by a small number of 
members of
the board of directors and partners of AMSAT-LU. Now come the largest 
economic
positions for the completion of the electronics and integration with the
satellite principal.

In order to comply with this circumstance, it has been proposed the
establishment of a list where it will include the names and distinctive 
signs
of all those who are able and willing to work together, and then give them a
certificate alluding to his gesture.

The neighbors of the autonomous city or the great Buenos Aires, can perform
their collaboration personally during the monthly meetings of AMSAT-LU. 
Also at
the headquarters of the RC Qrm Belgrano, permanent partners of AMSAT-LU. 
If I'd
be interested in making donations from other sites away, we'll let you 
know the
way to make their contribution.

Also, we would like to take this opportunity to invite all the partners of
AMSAT and amateur radio colleagues who are interested in suggest the 
name and
the logo for our next satellite Argentine, write to us on the page of AMSAT
Argentina in Facebook or sending it by e-mail to
parapente at amsat.org.ar.


[ANS thanks Ignacio Mazzitelli, LU1ESY for the above information]


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Space Brazilian Agency With Amateur radio PY2SDR LABRE/AMSAT-BR


Brasilia, November 20, 2015 - The Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) received on
Tuesday (17) the visit of amateur Edson Wander Pereira, the first to receive
and decode the data sent by Serpens-1 cubesat.

The nanossat?lite was launched into orbit from the International Space 
Station
(ISS), the 17th of last September. Ham Radio is in Brasilia
(DF) to attend the 7th Meeting of Science and Technology (ECT - FGA) 
which ends
today (20) in the Range Campus of the University of Brasilia (UNB).

Pereira lives in Pardinho (SP) and his visit emphasized the importance of
dissemination of knowledge to amateurs and students who are interested in
nanossat?lites.

"The experimental amateur radio is an activity that collaborates with the
nanossat?lites projects. This joint action causes the development of 
CubeSats
in schools and universities is promoted by having more data exchange
possibilities transmitted by these nanos, "says Pereira.

At the meeting with President of the Agency, Jos? Raimundo Braga, Pereira
received from teacher Chantal Capeletti, of UNB and coordinator of Serpens
Program, a transmitter that can be used to send data to the satellite and
experiment with its payload.

This equipment is part of the mission ground follow-up and was produced in
limited numbers, but will be distributed to experimental radio amateurs
operating in the area and among the member institutions of the 
nanossat?lite
consortium.


See the story here
http://www.aeb.gov.br/radioamador-experimental-visita-aeb-apos-decodificar-
dados-do-serpens-1/


[ANS thanks Paulo, PV8DX for the above information]


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United Launch Alliance Reveals Transformational CubeSat Launch Program


Centennial, Colo., (Nov. 19, 2015) ?  As the most experienced launch company
in the nation, United Launch Alliance (ULA) announced today it is taking
CubeSat rideshares to the next level by launching a new, innovative program
offering universities the chance to compete for free CubeSat rides on future
launches.

?ULA will offer universities the chance to compete for at least six CubeSat
launch slots on two Atlas V missions, with a goal to eventually add 
university
CubeSat slots to nearly every Atlas and Vulcan launch,? said Tory Bruno, ULA
president and CEO. ?There is a growing need for universities to have 
access and
availability to launch their CubeSats and this program will transform 
the way
these universities get to space by making space more affordable and 
accessible.?

"This is exactly the kind of collaborative innovation that we celebrate in
Colorado," said Lt. Gov. Joseph Garcia. ?Here, we have a Colorado company
giving Colorado students at a Colorado university an unbelievable 
opportunity
to send a satellite into space. What a great day for our state."

Rideshare is a flight-proven, innovative approach that provides customers a
low-cost way to achieve various mission objectives without the need for a
dedicated launch vehicle. CubeSats are miniaturized satellites originally
designed for use in conjunction with university educational projects and are
typically 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm (4 inches x 4 inches x 4 inches) and
approximately 1.3 kg (3 lbs).

?Since its inception, ULA has been committed to science, technology,
engineering and math (STEM) education initiatives and programs such as this
help to motivate, educate and develop our next generation of rocket 
scientists
and space entrepreneurs,? said Bruno. ?We are making the announcement today
with University of Colorado President Bruce Benson and University of 
Colorado
Boulder Chancellor Philip DiStefano, key partners in STEM education, and are
pleased to offer the university the first free CubeSat launch slot in 2017.?

"CU-Boulder students have been building and operating small satellites 
for 20
years, including the Colorado Student Space Weather CubeSat launched on 
a ULA
Atlas rocket in 2012," DiStefano said. "The ability to provide science and
engineering students with the opportunity to fly the satellites they 
build is
an invaluable motivational and educational tool. We are thrilled to partner
with ULA, a visionary organization that is helping to facilitate a 
nationwide
STEM effort."

Interested universities should email ULACubeSats at ulalaunch.com by Dec. 18,
2015 to notify ULA they are interested in participating. In early 2016, ULA
will release a request for proposal (RFP) for the first competitive CubeSat
launch slots. The selected universities will be announced in August 2016.

In addition, ULA is offering the nation?s universities the chance to 
help name
the new CubeSat program. Universities, educators and students can submit 
names
for consideration to ULACubeSats at ulalaunch.com using a campus-issued email
address. Submissions are due by Dec.18, 2015. The winning name will be
announced early next year, and the institution will receive a free CubeSat
launch slot on a future mission.

As America?s ride to space, ULA has launched 102 missions, including 55
CubeSats, with 100 percent mission success.

About United Launch Alliance
With more than a century of combined heritage, United Launch Alliance is the
nation?s most experienced and reliable launch service provider. ULA has
successfully delivered more than 100 satellites to orbit that provide 
critical
capabilities for troops in the field, aid meteorologists in tracking severe
weather, enable personal device-based GPS navigation and unlock the 
mysteries
of our solar system.
For more information on ULA, visit the ULA website at
www.ulalaunch.com .
Join the conversation at
www.facebook.com/ulalaunch

twitter.com/ulalaunch and

instagram.com/ulalaunch.

See America?s Ride to Space Offers University Competition for Free STEM
CubeSat Rides on Future Launches
http://www.ulalaunch.com/ula-reveals-transformational-cubesat-launch.aspx?title
=United+Launch+Alliance+Reveals+Transformational+CubeSat+Launch+Program+

http://www.ulalaunch.com/cubesats.aspx

See also:
http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/11/19/ula-says-it-will-launch-some-cubesats-for
-free/


[ANS thanks Jeff Yanko, WB3JFS on the AMSAT-BB for the above information]


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Nayif-1 at UAE YouthConnect


YouthConnect is an initiative led by the Expo 2020 UAE team and is catered
specifically for the Youth of today. The Nayif-1 team took part in the 
event by
throwing a workshop titled ?Introduction to Cubesatellites.?
YouthConnect is the first in a long-lasting and wide-ranging series highly
interactive forums designed by youth for youth. The inaugural event took 
take
place on Saturday, November 14, 2015. This first interactive, full-day 
forum,
part of a far wider programme to talk to the younger members of society, was
open to all UAE residents between the ages of 18-25.
?From our earliest days conceiving Expo?, says Her Excellency Reem Al 
Hashimy,
UAE Minister of State and Director General of the Bureau Dubai Expo 2020 ?we
were determined to put our youth at the heart of our plans. It is these 
young
men and women who will be representing and leading our nation in the 
years to
come. So it is important that they contribute to these events and decide 
what
they want to see and do on the day.?
Nayif-1 was built by students at the American University of Sharjah, UAE, in
partnership with the Mohammed bin Rashid Space Centre. The nanosatellite 
will
incorporate a novel autonomous attitude determination and control 
system. This
will be the first flight of this system. Additionally it will carry a UHF to
VHF linear transponder that will have up to 0.5 watt output and which can be
used by Radio Amateurs worldwide for SSB and CW communications.
A launch is planned for the first half 2016 on the SpaceX Falcoln 9 SHERPA
mission with deployment into an elliptical, sun synchronous, Low Earth Orbit
(LEO) of about 450 by 720 km.

Follow Nayif-1 on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Nayifone

Frequency information
http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/communications/nayif-1/

YouthConnect at Expo 2020 Dubai
http://expo2020dubai.ae/en/news/article/expo_2020_dubai_unveils_youthconnect


[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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DeorbitSail Update and Initial Camera Image


Chris Bridges 2E0OBC of the Surrey Space Centre provides this update on the
status of the DeorbitSail Cubesat.

Dear AMSAT Community,

We would like to express our gratitude for your cooperation in the 
DeorbitSail
project, and update you on the status of the mission.

As you know the DOS mission was launched on 10th July. After 4 months of
operations, the satellite is healthy and stable, although unfortunately 
we have
not been able to meet all of the mission objectives. Initial contact 
with the
satellite was established relatively smoothly and we received a lot of good
data, both through our own ground station but also via the network of 
you radio
amateurs who have been very generous with your time and help.

We achieved a power stable state early on, with good comms (uplink and
downlink) established within the first few days. We deployed the solar 
panels
successfully, and managed to return to a good and stable power state after
deployment. The ADCS has been challenging from the start, and continues 
to be
challenging ? we have struggled to accurately determine the satellite tumble
rate and get it under control  (more detail on that is included below). 
We know
that the satellite has seen some very high spin rates for various reasons,
including some inherent design/magnetic characteristics which have become
apparent.

Despite many attempts, we have unfortunately not been able to deploy the 
sail,
and having recently thoroughly analysed and investigated the possible 
causes,
mission events and ground test data and history, we are now reaching the
conclusion that achieving successful sail deployment is very unlikely. Again
there is more detail on that in the main body of text below.

We thank you for your patience and would like to apologise  for not keeping
you updated on mission progress as often as we?d hoped. The operations phase
has been a learning and sometimes stressful experience for all of the 
team at
SSC, with a lot of head scratching and sleepless nights involved.

Here is some more detailed information regarding what progress and
achievements have been made during the operations to date.

? After the launch on the 10th of July, and the first week in orbit, with a
power safe and healthy satellite, the operation passed from the LEOP 
phase to
the ADCS Commissioning phase. This second phase was estimated to last 
between
three and four weeks; this proved to be optimistic.

? Although the spin up of the S/C was much higher than expected and 
saturated
the sensors, the SU simulations and the available data suggested a large 
Z-spin
rate on DOS which was confirmed by the B-field and MEMS magnetometry
measurements. To induce a bigger difference in the Moments of Inertia 
(MoI) of
the two non-longitudinal axes, the decision was taken to deploy the solar
panels. This operation was performed the 10th of August.

? More than a month after the launch the satellite was really healthy, power
safe and with great comms through newly developed software defined radio and
database backend operations. Although the stabilization wasn?t achieved even
with the solar panel deployment, at one month from the launch the team 
decide
to proceed with  the sail deployment.

? This decision was agreed with DLR that confirmed that tumbling rates 
were no
issue for the sail deployment, because the Moments of Inertia increase 
rapidly
slowing down the tumble rate. DLR has performed a deployment test on 
Gossamer
while tumbling before coming to this opinion.

? On the 15th of August, the first attempt for sail deployment was 
performed,
the command was sent and the acknowledgement from the S/C was received, 
but no
current was drawn from the boom deployer motor. Multiple experiments were
performed to try and determine the cause of sail deployment failure.

? At this point, after a thorough investigation, the most plausible 
hypothesis
and justification seems to be a physical disconnection of the motor cables.
(Note that after the vibration test, it wasn?t possible to physically 
inspect
the connection due to the design itself of the S/C)

Our simulations showed that with the actual configuration (deployed solar
panels, undeployed sail) the decay time should be 20 years circa.

The aim now is to exercise and exploit the parts of the satellite that are
working, and gain more confidence and experience with the SU ADCS 
system, the
ISIS TRXUV and solar panels, and the SSC SDR groundstation and database 
tools
to explore better the interaction of the panel circuitry with the attitude
stabilisation. That will allow us to improve our performances in the next
missions.

 From here, the team have worked hard to take images of the Earth and 
via SU?s
CubeSense camera ? which we are delighted to show you today. This would 
not be
possible without the dedication from the SSC team here and, of course, the
amateur telemetry you kindly send us. We are going to continue imaging and
testing at higher resolutions too so watch this space.

We thank you for all the support.

Chiara Massimiani, DOS Project manager & Prof Guglielmo Aglietti SSC 
Director
and DOS PI

DeorbitSail
http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/telemetry/deorbitsail/

Surrey Space Centre
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ssc/research/space_vehicle_control/deorbitsail/


[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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SPROUT SSTV and Digitalker active every Sunday


Slow Scan TV (SSTV) images in Scottie 1 format will be transmitted from the
SPROUT satellite every Sunday (Japanese Standard Time) on 437.600 MHz FM 
(+/- 9
kHz Doppler shift). The Digitalker will also be active.

SPROUT, a 20 x 20 x 22 cm amateur radio nano-satellite with a mass of 
7.1 kg,
launched successfully with the L-band (1236.5 MHz/1257.5 MHz/1278.5 MHz)
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) satellite ALOS-2 on May 24, 2014 at 0305 UT.
SPROUT is in a 654 km, 97.9 degree inclination Sun Synchronous Orbit (SSO).

SPROUT (Space Research On Unique Technology) was built by students from 
Nihon
University and its objectives are:
1. Operation of satellite by radio amateurs.
A FM Digitalker will enable the satellite to speak to amateurs around 
the world.
The Voice Message Box will record transmissions from radio amateurs and play
them back.
Pre-loaded images from the Message Gallery can be transmitted using Slow 
Scan
TV (SSTV).
Pictures of the Earth can be transmitted by SSTV and radio amateurs can
receive it using free software such as MMSSTV. As part of the Earth mapping
project the team ask radio amateurs to contribute pictures they have 
received
from the satellite for display on the SPROUT website.
The satellite also has a packet radio Digipeater and Text Message Box 
function.

2. Demonstration of the deployment of the combined membrane structure and
verification of the design method of the structure SPROUT has a triangular
membrane supported by two tubes like framework. They are folded and
stored in the satellite before the launch. After the launch, the 
nitrogen gas
is injected into the tubes in space, and they extend, so that the membrane
deploys (called ?combined membrane structure?).

3. Demonstration of attitude determination and control of a nanosatellite
using the sun sensors, gyros, geomagnetic sensor and magnetic torquers.

Callsign: JQ1ZJQ
Size: 214x210x220 mm
Weight: 7.1 kg
Mode: 1200bps AFSK, 9600bps GMSK
CW downlink 437.525 MHz
FM packet downlink 437.525 MHz
Digipeater uplink 437.600 MHz
Digitalker downlink 437.600 MHz
SSTV downlink 437.600 MHz

SPROUT English website
http://sat.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp/sprout-e/

SPROUT Japanese website
http://sat.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp/sprout/

Nihon-Univ. Miyazaki Laboratory on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nihon-Univ-Miyazaki-Laboratory/406566642818860

Telemetry Software
http://sat.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp/sprout-e/2-Software-e.html

Telemetry format
http://sat.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp/sprout-e/2-Formats%20of%20telemetry-e.html

SPROUT launch data page
http://sat.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp/sprout-e/2-Launch%20data-e.html

TLE?s from the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are also
available at
http://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/tle-new.txt

Free Slow Scan TV (SSTV) software MMSSTV
http://hamsoft.ca/pages/mmsstv.php

The JE9PEL website has information on other satellites on this launch
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/jaxalos2.htm


[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information]


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AMSAT Events


Information about AMSAT activities at other important events around
the country.  Examples of these events are radio club meetings where
AMSAT Area Coordinators give presentations, demonstrations of working
amateur satellites, and hamfests with an AMSAT presence (a table with
AMSAT literature and merchandise, sometimes also with presentations,
forums, and/or demonstrations).

*Saturday, 5 December 2015 ? Superstition Superfest 2015 in Mesa AZ

*Saturday, 9 January 2016 ? Thunderbird Hamfest 2016 in Phoenix AZ

*Friday and Saturday, 19-20 February 2016 ? Yuma Hamfest and 2016 ARRL
Southwest Division Convention in Yuma AZ

*Saturday and Sunday, 12-13 March 2016 ? ScienceCity science fair, on
the University of Arizona campus in Tucson AZ

*Saturday, 19 March 2016 ? Scottsdale Amateur Radio Club Spring
Hamfest 2016 in Scottsdale AZ

*Saturday, 26 March 2016 ? Tucson Spring Hamfest in Tucson AZ


[ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information]


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ARISS News


Successful Contacts

*   Kiluutaq School, Umiujaq, Nunavik Quebec, Canada,  telebridge via W6SRJ
The ISS callsign was NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut was Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact was  successful: Tue 2015-11-17 16:47:02 UTC 41 deg

We are students from Kiluutaq school. Our school is located in the 
village of
Umiujaq. This is a small village of about 460 people in northern Quebec
(Canada). In winter, we use special clothes to go hunting. We hunt seals,
belugas, caribou, fish and foxes. In addition, every year we celebrate the
blueberry festival and we pick a lot of blueberries. Our village is very
special since we are talking 3 different languages: Inuttitut, English and
French. In our village there are two stores, a school, an arena, an 
airport,a
health center and a community center.

Steve, VE3TBD reported:
Contact went well...  very well in fact.

All questions answered - 13
140 students.
50 parents.

Astronaut was a little low at times but overall very good. I heard him well
but I know the many languages and cultures do influence how we hear things -
very interesting to have the French, English and native languages involved.
Our humanoid robot did a very god job of getting the students up for event.
Presentations were undertaken in both English and local language.
My thanks goes to the very excellent job by Radio Station W6SRJ, Moderator
Brian Jackson and all else connected and involved.


*   A direct contact via OE?ARISS with students at BORG Monsbergergasse, 
Graz,
Austria, was successful Mon 2015-11-09 09:42:15 UTC 49 deg. Astronaut Kjell
Lindgren KO5MOS answered 11 questions for students.

The BORG Monsbergergasse is a grammar school in Graz, Monsbergergasse 
16. Graz
is the second largest city in Austria, located in the southeast of the 
country.
The school can easily be reached from everywhere in Graz using public 
transport.
About 800 students attend the school and there are about 100 teachers.  Our
students can choose between 5 different areas of interest: sports, science,
music, art and informatics. After four to five years the students 
graduate from
school after taking their A-levels.
The school offers a fantastic infrastructure for the students. Apart 
from the
classrooms there is a lab, a library and a cafeteria. There are special
computer rooms, four gyms and outside there are several courts for doing
sports.  Besides there is a garden to relax in the breaks.


Upcoming Contacts

*    Scuola Media Statale ?G.  Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy, And, Scuola
Secondaria di Primo Grado ?Benedetto  Croce?, Civate, Italy, telebridge via
VK4KHZ
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Mon 2015-11-23 09:21:53 UTC 87 deg

The event will be webcast on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFhGc2nes4


*    Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact is a go: Tue 2015-11-24 09:44:25  UTC 78 deg

Watch
http://www.ariss.org/upcoming-contacts.html
for information about upcoming contacts as they are scheduled.


[ANS thanks ARISS, and Charlie, AJ9N for the above information]


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* Satellite Shorts From All Over


* W5PFG Plans Satellite Operation From South Padre Island

IOTA NA-092 - (Satellite Op) Clayton, W5PFG, will operate portable from
South Padre Island, Texas, in EL16 between November 22-26th.  He plans to
operate several passes a day from EL15, covering the southern-most tip of
Texas. An operation from EL06 is possible sometime in the beginning of that
week. You can follow his operation on Twitter <https://twitter.com/@w5pfg>
starting November 21st. It's possible he will operate once or twice while
enroute. Clayton will try to work as many different satellites as possible.
He tends to favor FO-29, typically 15-20 kHz above the center of the
transponder.

[ANS thanks Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 1240 for the above information]


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/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Joe Spier, K6WAO
k6wao at amsat dot org

From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Nov 22 14:04:39 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 09:04:39 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SPROUT SSTV + Nayif-1 at YouthConnect
In-Reply-To: <5651B63A.3080301@destevez.net>
References: <544720696.13232539.1448062203229.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<544720696.13232539.1448062203229.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5651B63A.3080301@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOoNuri3BrTCWch0hTxKU_Qb-2gvKvttFD2+kVXUNis5nw@mail.gmail.com>

It was on during the 0350 UTC and 0425 UTC passes over North America. I
recorded the 0350 UTC pass and the audio/SSTV image is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKW5Qv5-Vw&feature=youtu.be

On the 0425 UTC pass, I had strong local interference at 437.605 MHz that
wiped out my reception and I didn't wait for later in the pass to get clear
of it.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sunday, November 22, 2015, Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net> wrote:

> El 20/11/15 a las 23:30, M5AKA escribi?:
>
> > SPROUT SSTV and Digitalker active every Sunday
> > http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/19/sprout-sstv-active-sundays/
>
> Is anyone listening for the SSTV on SPROUT? I was listening on the
> 12:20UTC pass and heard the CW beacon on 437.525 fine, but no trace of
> any other signal.
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From jpixton at shentel.net  Sun Nov 22 15:02:39 2015
From: jpixton at shentel.net (Jerry Pixton)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:02:39 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 sunlight?
Message-ID: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>

When will NO-84 have enough sunlight that we can use PKS-31 again?

-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Dr. Jerry R. Pixton, PIXOS Designs
http://www.shentel.net/pixosdesigns/RadioTuner/
jpixton at shentel.net
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Nov 22 15:17:09 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 10:17:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 sunlight?
In-Reply-To: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>
References: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpdKi4sxXy65dUW+ZVv=tiVHm8qxqA2QR8TOVKbQZbP3A@mail.gmail.com>

Eclipse durations will start to fall on November 29th. This period looks
particularly good, with NO-84 in constant sunlight from 11:02 UTC on
December 7th until December 14th at 13:56 UTC.

12/06/2015 15:55   ->   12/06/2015 16:10    duration: 15 min
12/06/2015 17:30   ->   12/06/2015 17:44    duration: 14 min
12/06/2015 19:05   ->   12/06/2015 19:19    duration: 14 min
12/06/2015 20:40   ->   12/06/2015 20:54    duration: 14 min
12/06/2015 22:15   ->   12/06/2015 22:28    duration: 13 min
12/06/2015 23:50   ->   12/07/2015 00:03    duration: 13 min
12/07/2015 01:26   ->   12/07/2015 01:37    duration: 11 min
12/07/2015 03:01   ->   12/07/2015 03:11    duration: 10 min
12/07/2015 04:36   ->   12/07/2015 04:46    duration: 10 min
12/07/2015 06:12   ->   12/07/2015 06:20    duration: 8 min
12/07/2015 07:47   ->   12/07/2015 07:54    duration: 7 min
12/07/2015 09:23   ->   12/07/2015 09:29    duration: 6 min
12/07/2015 10:59   ->   12/07/2015 11:02    duration: 3 min
12/14/2015 13:56   ->   12/14/2015 13:59    duration: 3 min
12/14/2015 15:29   ->   12/14/2015 15:35    duration: 6 min
12/14/2015 17:04   ->   12/14/2015 17:11    duration: 7 min
12/14/2015 18:38   ->   12/14/2015 18:46    duration: 8 min
12/14/2015 20:12   ->   12/14/2015 20:21    duration: 9 min
12/14/2015 21:47   ->   12/14/2015 21:57    duration: 10 min
12/14/2015 23:21   ->   12/14/2015 23:32    duration: 11 min
12/15/2015 00:56   ->   12/15/2015 01:07    duration: 11 min
12/15/2015 02:30   ->   12/15/2015 02:42    duration: 12 min
12/15/2015 04:04   ->   12/15/2015 04:17    duration: 13 min
12/15/2015 05:39   ->   12/15/2015 05:52    duration: 13 min
12/15/2015 07:14   ->   12/15/2015 07:27    duration: 13 min
12/15/2015 08:48   ->   12/15/2015 09:03    duration: 15 min
12/15/2015 10:23   ->   12/15/2015 10:38    duration: 15 min

Calculations courtesy of DK3WN's Illum program.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Jerry Pixton <jpixton at shentel.net> wrote:

> When will NO-84 have enough sunlight that we can use PKS-31 again?
>
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Sun Nov 22 15:25:45 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 10:25:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 sunlight?
In-Reply-To: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>
References: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>
Message-ID: <CALdCfNJQWfSJTx-x4ZEBnJ3pHwR6GQExmOK3tfrXxVOKQd=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>

> When will NO-84 have enough sunlight that we can use PKS-31 again?

You can check its telemetry on http://pcsat.aprs.org and if you see the
T#nnn serial numbers going over 60, then that means it is not crashing.  I
just checked and it seems to be doing fine.  So as far as I am concerned, I
think it is safe to use.

But if it starts resetting every eclipse, then backoff.

Bob, Wb4APR

From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 15:35:09 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 10:35:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 Sunlight
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYvOJESq26w5YWmggGN+BqCqLZ7xrT_fwXK1Zsw5PpFjjg@mail.gmail.com>

Is the APRS digipeater on? Or is it off due to negative power budget on
NO-84?

From sasb.geo at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 22 16:32:01 2015
From: sasb.geo at yahoo.com (Eduardo Erlemann)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 16:32:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SPROUT SSTV + Nayif-1 at YouthConnect
References: <645635077.7119205.1448209921311.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <645635077.7119205.1448209921311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

22/NOV 14:15 UTC pass of SPROUT in south Atlantic / S. America:

https://youtu.be/DmYprKse1pg


73 de Ed PY2RN
GG66LW
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/22/15, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SPROUT SSTV + Nayif-1 at YouthConnect
 To: "Daniel Est?vez" <daniel at destevez.net>
 Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Date: Sunday, November 22, 2015, 12:04 PM
 
 It was on during the 0350
 UTC and 0425 UTC passes over North America. I
 recorded the 0350 UTC pass and the audio/SSTV
 image is at
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKW5Qv5-Vw&feature=youtu.be
 
 On the 0425 UTC pass, I had
 strong local interference at 437.605 MHz that
 wiped out my reception and I didn't wait
 for later in the pass to get clear
 of it.
 
 73,
 
 Paul, N8HM
 
 On
 Sunday, November 22, 2015, Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>
 wrote:
 
 > El 20/11/15 a
 las 23:30, M5AKA escribi?:
 >
 > > SPROUT SSTV and Digitalker active
 every Sunday
 > > http://amsat-uk.org/2015/11/19/sprout-sstv-active-sundays/
 >
 > Is anyone listening
 for the SSTV on SPROUT? I was listening on the
 > 12:20UTC pass and heard the CW beacon on
 437.525 fine, but no trace of
 > any other
 signal.
 >
 > 73,
 >
 > Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
 >
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Sun Nov 22 16:36:09 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 11:36:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 Sunlight
In-Reply-To: <CAGu+VYvOJESq26w5YWmggGN+BqCqLZ7xrT_fwXK1Zsw5PpFjjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYvOJESq26w5YWmggGN+BqCqLZ7xrT_fwXK1Zsw5PpFjjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALdCfNJ7R6u1fNCPgD6mYHPf23nASf_JCY=yg04gYrPqvNjR7g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > Is the APRS digipeater on? Or is it off due to negative power budget on
> NO-84?
>

Since there are other APRS digipeating sateliites, we keep the digipeater
off to preserve power for the PSK-31 users which we think is a fantastic
new capability to the hobby.  We have another PSK31 transponder in the
works, so we hope usagew wil grow.

The PSK31 transponder is enabled 28.121 MHz up and 435.350 mHz down FM
receivale by any FM radio.

http://aprs.org/psat.html

Bob, WB4APR

From bruninga at usna.edu  Sun Nov 22 16:41:14 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 11:41:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Demo (active satellites!)
In-Reply-To: <CAHnRQR+0XGh_t1oo=trhgcLoKxZ=dopWNr2wyxbd+-6Ep9=ntA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <344cc46bfafd1c1aa4900f145792717c@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHnRQR+0XGh_t1oo=trhgcLoKxZ=dopWNr2wyxbd+-6Ep9=ntA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALdCfNKr=AkXiR6hKvmp96Bkv8HTQhmT_Dp4bKiPMcnwUt59VQ@mail.gmail.com>

> I seem to recall that you had a nice paper on using a fixed elevation
antennas with the satellites. I believe the angle of 20 degrees or so was
suggested. If it is still around I would appreciate a link.

here it is: http://aprs.org/LEO-tracking.html

The angle is 15 degrees.  That retains all your gain on the horizon but
gives you better gain higher and closer.  But if your horizon is blocked
say all the way up to 10 deg, then you can raise it by the same amount.

Answered via AMSAT-bb...

Bob, Wb4APR

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sun Nov 22 20:54:03 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:54:03 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK @ DM33/DM43 yesterday (Saturday, 21 November 2015)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcZDNy5aywKXbY-b-V8diFNV+zFrX8HS9iyq_3hU3RTdA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

After my demonstration for a local radio club last Monday evening, when I
operated from grid DM33, I received a request from Carl KA4H asking if I
could go back to DM33 again. Since the DM33/DM43 grid boundary, 112 degrees
West, is only a few miles west of my house, I suggested that I could go
over there on Saturday (21 November) morning. After identifying a couple of
passes that were good on both ends, I made the plan to go to the Phoenix
city park that straddles the grid boundary. For those who have been on the
satellites for the past several years, I used to operate from this park
(grids DM33xp and DM43ap) regularly between 2007 and 2011.

The park is about 15 miles from my house, not a long drive. After making a
stop for breakfast on my way to the park, I made it there with almost an
hour to spare. I went to the west edge of the park, where I could park and
be on the DM33/DM43 line, took the obligatory photos to establish my
location. After I had set up my two FT-817NDs, I decided to put one 817
away, and use the SDRplay SDR receiver and my 8-inch Windows tablet for the
downlink receiver. Then I waited for AO-73 to come up, just after 1600 UTC.
Once I heard the satellite, I did not call CQ. I made directed calls for
KA4H, and after a couple of transmissions I heard Carl. We made the quick
QSO, and then I proceeded to work two other stations before LOS.

Almost as soon as AO-73 went away, there was an AO-85 pass moving across my
northwest. I set up my IC-2820H mobile radio, SDRplay SDR receiver, and 8-
inch Windows tablet to work that pass. This pass went up to a maximum
elevation of 23 degrees. I was able to work a couple of stations on that
pass, heard another station IDing and giving his grid locator, but not
responding to me. I hope his downlink receiver was working, as his uplink
signals were decent. I made an RF recording with my tablet that captured
51 frames, which I uploaded to the AMSAT server later in the day.

A shallow (5-degree) SO-50 pass just after 1700 UTC was a nice surprise. I
was able to work 5 stations in about 5 minutes, despite the satellite
barely clearing the mountains to the northeast. I used only the IC-2820H
on this, and a later SO-50 pass, without the SDR receiver for the downlink.

Then another AO-73 pass at 1738 UTC, and a better SO-50 pass an hour later,
to put more QSOs in the log. These 5 passes put a total of 26 QSOs in the
log, for almost 3 hours of activity. Not bad for not advertising my plan to
operate from the DM33/DM43 grid boundary. All QSOs have been uploaded to
Logbook of the World, and I have seen a few QSLs already. I posted audio
and RF recordings of the AO-73 and AO-85 passes (the passes where I used my
SDRplay receiver and Windows tablet as my downlink receiver) to my Dropbox
space at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ if anyone is curious. Look for the
folders with names starting with 20151121, and containing the two grids
DM33 and DM43 at the end of the folder names.

If anyone needs a QSO with grid DM33, or a few other grids around the metro
Phoenix area (DM32, DM34, DM42, DM44), I can usually make a trip to these
locations on a weekend. They are about an hour away from my house, give or
take. If I'm doing this on a schedule with another ham, I might not post
any advance public notice of my intentions, but will certainly post my
presence at these locations on Twitter and/or this list once I completed my
main objective for the quick road trip. On other occasions, I will gladly
give advance notice of my plans for a trip to these locations, on this list
and via Twitter, and hope to work lots of stations. :-)

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 22 21:00:26 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:00:26 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 Operations report
Message-ID: <90FBB2E387D34BD1933D0ADD68C40B15@allgood.local>

Hi All,

FUNcube-1 is now back in autonomous mode for the week. High power tlm when in sunlight and transponder with low power tlm when in eclipse.

73

Graham
G3VZV

From uwaveguy at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 02:10:16 2015
From: uwaveguy at gmail.com (Bob Freeman)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:10:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] High Performance Portable Rotor
Message-ID: <CAHcBMeRHFTYiKVKv4Es1E+PCbPH4huZv_5FLFoimy2OVZba++g@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Well done and thank you for sharing your experience with the RPi and
Arduino.  I have only recently started looking at the Arduino since being
exposed to it at HamJam (http://hamjam.info/) here a week ago.  One of our
speakers, via Skype, was Glen Popiel, KW5GP, of ?Arduino for Ham Radio?
fame.  Lots of good stuff in his presentation.

Also, good to see you have found the AccelStepper library.  If I pursue an
Arduino interface for my CNCTRK AZ/EL positioner (for SatPC32 folks who are
not quite ready to dive into LinuxCNC) this library looks like the way to
go for motion control.

Thanks again.
73
Bob
KI4SBL


Subject: [amsat-bb] High Performance Portable Rotor

> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAHnRQRJX6JcuxkSu-1zttLT0twVRD6ULirp0PZ03byVL32q+5w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi,
>
> http://www.tomdoyle.org/hpr
>
> 73 W9KE Tom Doyle

From AJ9N at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 04:55:35 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 23:55:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-23 05:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <1050be.65426c03.4383f647@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-23  05:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Scuola Media Statale ?G. Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy,  telebridge via 
VK4KHZ 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is go for: Mon  2015-11-23 09:21:53 UTC 87 deg
Watch for live stream at  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFhGc2nes4

Dragonskolan, Ume?,  Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go  for: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25 UTC 78  deg

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with  114
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-23 05:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1009.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 974. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-17 19:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Mon Nov 23 12:31:35 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 07:31:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 sunlight?
In-Reply-To: <CALdCfNJQWfSJTx-x4ZEBnJ3pHwR6GQExmOK3tfrXxVOKQd=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>
	<CALdCfNJQWfSJTx-x4ZEBnJ3pHwR6GQExmOK3tfrXxVOKQd=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56530727.4080709@denstarfarm.us>

On 22-Nov-15 1025, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> When will NO-84 have enough sunlight that we can use PKS-31 again?
> 
> You can check its telemetry on http://pcsat.aprs.org and if you see the...


when I try the link u provide, I seem to always end up on
"http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/pcsat.cgi"

this on either of my computers. Thus I didn't find the PCSAT Telem
reporting page that I could check.

Last night, and for the first time, for me, I decoded my CQ's as well as
some ground station lads conversing directly on 10m .

I was using DopplerPSK.jar and the downlink of mine was quite stable on
the QRG .


-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Nov 23 13:33:08 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:33:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 sunlight?
In-Reply-To: <56530727.4080709@denstarfarm.us>
References: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>	<CALdCfNJQWfSJTx-x4ZEBnJ3pHwR6GQExmOK3tfrXxVOKQd=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56530727.4080709@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <ca2a015a44ad7c5abf00f1b91fff109d@mail.gmail.com>

That's the right page.  It captures every packet via APRS satellites.  At
the bottom of the page you can see the raw telemetry packets from PCSAT,
PSAT, and W3ADO-1.   If PSAT-1 is showing a T#XXX telemetry counter more
than 60, then it is surviving eclipses.  Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bob KD7YZ

>>> When will NO-84 have enough sunlight that we can use PKS-31 again?

>> You can check its telemetry on http://pcsat.aprs.org and if you see
the...


> when I try the link u provide, I seem to always end up on
"http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/pcsat.cgi"

this on either of my computers. Thus I didn't find the PCSAT Telem
reporting page that I could check.

Last night, and for the first time, for me, I decoded my CQ's as well as
some ground station lads conversing directly on 10m .

I was using DopplerPSK.jar and the downlink of mine was quite stable on
the QRG .


--
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901
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From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Mon Nov 23 15:15:32 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:15:32 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 sunlight?
In-Reply-To: <ca2a015a44ad7c5abf00f1b91fff109d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5651D90F.5050202@shentel.net>
	<CALdCfNJQWfSJTx-x4ZEBnJ3pHwR6GQExmOK3tfrXxVOKQd=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56530727.4080709@denstarfarm.us>
	<ca2a015a44ad7c5abf00f1b91fff109d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56532D94.4070302@denstarfarm.us>

On 23-Nov-15 0833, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> ... If PSAT-1 is showing a T#XXX telemetry counter more
> than 60, then it is surviving eclipses. 

OK. So let me get this right then:
I see this on that page:

01:19:08:00 :
PSAT-1]APOFF,ARISS,qAR,KB1CHU:T#262,854,346,806,757,813,00011100
------------------------------^^^^^----------------------------

T#262's value then is 262? Thus higher than 060. And therefore fairly
safe to use PSK31 on the bird.

Yes?





From aksulumdeniz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 12:31:34 2015
From: aksulumdeniz at gmail.com (M. Deniz Aksulu)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:31:34 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] TS-2000 and 2FSK
Message-ID: <CAPmtE6ZMw+qsdAsiKmO1goEZ3nR7+QUfdtpXz=UgsVQrB-=f5w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Our team (in ?stanbul Technical University) is currently working on a
CubeSat Modem project which uses Si4463 tranciever as its main modem chip.
I have question about the capabilities of Kenwood TS-2000 with/without SCS
Tracker DSP TNC. Although we are aware that TS-2000 is able to
receive/transmit AFSK modulated data, we wonder whether it is also capable
of transceiving 2FSK signals without any audio signal on top of the carrier.
So far we were unable to receive any packets transmitted from Si4463
transciever chip with TS-2000.

Best regards,
Mehmet Deniz Aksulu

From philji at mac.com  Mon Nov 23 16:15:13 2015
From: philji at mac.com (Phillip Townsend Lontz)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 09:15:13 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Good Day all.
Message-ID: <4D541C21-89F5-4652-9F63-2E4D9838D228@mac.com>

Newbie here... And as such I will ask some dumb ass questions. So I will thank you in advance... Thank you.
Phil
K5SSR
Santa Fe, New Mexico
505 466 7575

I have never contacted a Sat or even heard one. I mostly work SOTA guys using CW. My station for the low bands is built around Elecraft radios and a simple vertical antenna.
I don't own a radio for sat com yet. 
I would like to be able to work FM, CW, SSB.
I am a EE and MBA... Not a great EE but a better MBA.
Now retired... Yea!

So long for now
73 Es dit dit..


What Me Worry?

From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Nov 23 17:23:20 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:23:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P (EL15/EL16) - SO-50 @ 1757 UTC
Message-ID: <CABzOSOp30Th19ZmzATdtTBFf0egTp9zaOyQ8JAo41wC29UxQog@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon,

Clayton, W5PFG, will be on the EL15/EL16 line on the SO-50 pass at 17:57
UTC.

73,

Paul, N8HM

From aayushyadav825 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:16:35 2015
From: aayushyadav825 at gmail.com (Aayush Yadav)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 00:46:35 +0530
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help needed please
Message-ID: <CALRS4DwF=vqbe_As2mKca_Sg1KSbOp55kGEtRcv7CJoYSJOAQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

As a part of a student satellite project from India, I have a few questions
regarding how can i improve my reception of data on the ground station. We
have a TS2000 and have designed a few yagi antennas for uhf and vhf band. I
would like to know some satellites on which we can practice receiving any
signal. We are totally new to this system and have practiced some failed
attempts of the same. Further, we would really appreciate If anyone could
help on how we can increase our reception power. Any other help or advice
would also be appreciated. Thank you.

Aayush Yadav,
Team Pratham,
IIT Bombay.

From daniel at destevez.net  Mon Nov 23 19:38:30 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:38:30 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help needed please
In-Reply-To: <CALRS4DwF=vqbe_As2mKca_Sg1KSbOp55kGEtRcv7CJoYSJOAQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALRS4DwF=vqbe_As2mKca_Sg1KSbOp55kGEtRcv7CJoYSJOAQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56536B36.8040009@destevez.net>

El 23/11/15 a las 19:16, Aayush Yadav escribi?:
> Hello all,
> 
> As a part of a student satellite project from India, I have a few questions
> regarding how can i improve my reception of data on the ground station. We
> have a TS2000 and have designed a few yagi antennas for uhf and vhf band. I
> would like to know some satellites on which we can practice receiving any
> signal. We are totally new to this system and have practiced some failed
> attempts of the same. Further, we would really appreciate If anyone could
> help on how we can increase our reception power. Any other help or advice
> would also be appreciated. Thank you.

Dear Aayush,

There are plenty of amateur satellites you can try to receive. Head over
to http://www.amsat.org/status/ for the list of the "most popular" ones,
together with status reports. Also, there's a huge list in
http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535

I would mention a few of the strongest ones, but if you're using
circularly polarized yagis on a rotator (as you should be using on a
serious groundstation), you should be able to receive any satellite indeed.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 23 19:38:52 2015
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:38:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?iso-8859-1?q?Upcoming_ARISS_contact_with_Dragonskola?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?n=2C_Ume=E5=2C__Sweden?=
Message-ID: <95B4A039CAB14DC78EB6248851A19B7B@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden on 25 Nov. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 09:44 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VE4ISS. The contact should be audible over portions of Canada and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

Dragonskolan is one of the biggest upper secondary schools in Sweden and is located in central Ume?. Currently hosting 1820 students aged 16-19 and 300 staff; it has recently been renovated to meet modern needs in a stimulating learning environment.

 

At Dragonskolan, we have an ethos where we believe we can offer our students three meaningful and enjoyable years. Our core values are "open and bright", referring not only to the physical surroundings but also to the social climate. 

 

Dragonskolan is the biggest meeting place for young people in Ume?, 

A wide range of 3 year programs, college preparatory and vocational, are offered here, ranging from natural science to humanities and technological science. 

 

At the core of the school is the Dragonskolan Technology Center where everything is taught from industrial welding technology to electronics, automation, computer science, CAD and much more.

 

With its close ties to the industry, the school keeps in pace with the latest industrial technology ensuring the students get the best education available within their chosen field.

 

 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1.  How would you describe the smell in space?

2.  Is going to space what you expected it to be?

3.  How dark is it dark in space?

4.  Have you ever fantasized about seeing an alien life form?

5.  Do you have access to internet and social media on the space station?

6.  What is the first thing you want to do when you get back home?

7.  What is the annual salary as an astronaut?

8.  When are humans expected to go to Mars?

9.  How does one feel in size aboard the space station?

10.  If a person is in the middle of a room in aboard the space station 

     without reaching the walls. How would that person move from that 

     position without throwing something in the opposite direction?

11.  Where does the oxygen come from?

12.  How has your vision of life changed from being in space?

13.  Which time is correct in space?

14.  How do you take a shower in low gravity?

15.  Do you ever get tired of each other on the space station?

16.  Don't you miss your family and friends?

17.  Do you think people get another view on our problems on earth after a 

     trip to space?

18.  What does it feel like to sleep in space?

19.  Was it worth all the training to go to space?

20.  What is the best experience you have had so far going to space?

 

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

 

  

 

ARISS is an international educational outreach program partnering the volunteer support and leadership from AMSAT and IARU societies around the world with the ISS space agencies partners: NASA, Russian Space Agency, ESA, CNES, JAXA, and CSA.

 

ARISS offers an opportunity for students to experience the excitement of Amateur Radio by talking directly with crewmembers on-board the International Space Station. Teachers, parents and communities see, first hand, how Amateur Radio and crewmembers on ISS can energize youngsters' interest in science, technology, and learning. Further information on the ARISS program is available at ariss.org. 

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 


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From burns at fisher.cc  Mon Nov 23 19:58:25 2015
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:58:25 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help needed please
In-Reply-To: <CALRS4DwF=vqbe_As2mKca_Sg1KSbOp55kGEtRcv7CJoYSJOAQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALRS4DwF=vqbe_As2mKca_Sg1KSbOp55kGEtRcv7CJoYSJOAQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxUmc5=+nRuPxugjBXfpB+JgtKegmmxsfW8XFK81ZzVRMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Aayush,

Starting out with very strong signals is probably a good idea even though
you can probably get any satellite
that you wish with a good ground station.  Start out with AO-85 for FM
reception and AO-73 for SSB
reception.  AO-73 is especially strong during local day time during
Mon-Friday (UTC).  There is not
transponder turned on then, so all the power goes into the telemetry.

Both of these can be received with an HT (handheld with a simple antenna)
so you are very likely to receive
them on any station you have and optimize from there.

I would also suggest that you might find local colleagues in AMSAT-India
who would be able to tell you
things of local interest (what parts are available where, for example).

73,

Burns  W2BFJ

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Aayush Yadav <aayushyadav825 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> As a part of a student satellite project from India, I have a few questions
> regarding how can i improve my reception of data on the ground station. We
> have a TS2000 and have designed a few yagi antennas for uhf and vhf band. I
> would like to know some satellites on which we can practice receiving any
> signal. We are totally new to this system and have practiced some failed
> attempts of the same. Further, we would really appreciate If anyone could
> help on how we can increase our reception power. Any other help or advice
> would also be appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Aayush Yadav,
> Team Pratham,
> IIT Bombay.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From df6mu.radio at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:34:53 2015
From: df6mu.radio at gmail.com (sergej kindsvater)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:34:53 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-821h no full duplex in satellite mode
Message-ID: <CABEna-K5Qp=tq3+uaeKAW-794yGxC=5NSAnWOPEF6u6=oxwzvw@mail.gmail.com>

I have recently bought a second hand ICOM ic-821h, that doesn't seem to be
capable of the full duplex in the satellite mode. Once transmitting on the
sub band, I have no receive on the main one. Does anybody have any idea as
to how to remedy? Thanks

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:40:06 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:40:06 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help needed please
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxUmc5=+nRuPxugjBXfpB+JgtKegmmxsfW8XFK81ZzVRMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALRS4DwF=vqbe_As2mKca_Sg1KSbOp55kGEtRcv7CJoYSJOAQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxUmc5=+nRuPxugjBXfpB+JgtKegmmxsfW8XFK81ZzVRMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNR9SYPqRbPdWXMpcFwoZO=PFrc18LmNhj4GwS1vnmOLw@mail.gmail.com>

In addition to what others have said, don't forget the packet radio
digipeater aboard the International Space Station. It puts out 5 watts and
is on most of the time except  for when they're doing EVAs. You can pick it
up with a handheld radio when it's overhead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5R0P3PiJn8

http://www.ariss.org/uploads/1/9/6/8/19681527/k9jkm_2012_symposium_ver2.pdf

John, KG4AKV

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Burns Fisher <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:

> Hello Aayush,
>
> Starting out with very strong signals is probably a good idea even though
> you can probably get any satellite
> that you wish with a good ground station.  Start out with AO-85 for FM
> reception and AO-73 for SSB
> reception.  AO-73 is especially strong during local day time during
> Mon-Friday (UTC).  There is not
> transponder turned on then, so all the power goes into the telemetry.
>
> Both of these can be received with an HT (handheld with a simple antenna)
> so you are very likely to receive
> them on any station you have and optimize from there.
>
> I would also suggest that you might find local colleagues in AMSAT-India
> who would be able to tell you
> things of local interest (what parts are available where, for example).
>
> 73,
>
> Burns  W2BFJ
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Aayush Yadav <aayushyadav825 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > As a part of a student satellite project from India, I have a few
> questions
> > regarding how can i improve my reception of data on the ground station.
> We
> > have a TS2000 and have designed a few yagi antennas for uhf and vhf
> band. I
> > would like to know some satellites on which we can practice receiving any
> > signal. We are totally new to this system and have practiced some failed
> > attempts of the same. Further, we would really appreciate If anyone could
> > help on how we can increase our reception power. Any other help or advice
> > would also be appreciated. Thank you.
> >
> > Aayush Yadav,
> > Team Pratham,
> > IIT Bombay.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:59:55 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:59:55 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-821h no full duplex in satellite mode
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYs4m7Y2SURd7gZSwiFA3h0XE_0B9-X-F5veLEC=uYXKLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Do you have the Squelch level on the side you are receiving on all the way
down? Have you activaed satellite mode by press the FUNC key and one of the
keys on the bottom right of the radio that says REV or NOR?

73's KE8AKW

From fwinder at fuse.net  Mon Nov 23 21:26:54 2015
From: fwinder at fuse.net (Farrell Winder)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 16:26:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: Looking for Teletec DXP-U150 Amplifier
Message-ID: <3D32A94053084994A00A6AC5936F4383@FarrellPC>



From: Farrell Winder 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:10 AM
To: AMSAT 
Subject: Looking for Teletec DXP-U150 Amplifier

I am trying to locate a Teletec DXP-U150 amplifier for sale. 
Please reply off line . Thanks.
Farrell Winder, W8ZCF

From df6mu.radio at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 21:45:21 2015
From: df6mu.radio at gmail.com (sergej kindsvater)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:45:21 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-821h no full duplex in satellite mode
In-Reply-To: <CABEna-K5Qp=tq3+uaeKAW-794yGxC=5NSAnWOPEF6u6=oxwzvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABEna-K5Qp=tq3+uaeKAW-794yGxC=5NSAnWOPEF6u6=oxwzvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABEna-KjZfksbFXpt6Nm2FQmTMNe9qJ=22EYQtAfp0x_rPzDow@mail.gmail.com>

Nicholas, yes, of course. As said I can receive all right on both bands. I
can send all right on both bands. But while I can send on the sub band in
the satellite mode (FUNC + REV or FUNC +NOR), RX n the main band is muted
during the transmission, so I can't receive while sending.

73 de DF6MU

--
Sergej Kindsvater

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 PM, sergej kindsvater <df6mu.radio at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have recently bought a second hand ICOM ic-821h, that doesn't seem to be
> capable of the full duplex in the satellite mode. Once transmitting on the
> sub band, I have no receive on the main one. Does anybody have any idea as
> to how to remedy? Thanks
>

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Mon Nov 23 22:06:47 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:06:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-821h no full duplex in satellite mode
In-Reply-To: <CABEna-KjZfksbFXpt6Nm2FQmTMNe9qJ=22EYQtAfp0x_rPzDow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABEna-K5Qp=tq3+uaeKAW-794yGxC=5NSAnWOPEF6u6=oxwzvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABEna-KjZfksbFXpt6Nm2FQmTMNe9qJ=22EYQtAfp0x_rPzDow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E805114-335C-4DAC-BFE1-A4316195F29A@mindspring.com>

There is a sub band mute function in the menu. Look at the bottom of page 46 of the manual. You can get the manual from the icom website.

73, Drew KO4MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 4:45 PM, sergej kindsvater <df6mu.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Nicholas, yes, of course. As said I can receive all right on both bands. I
> can send all right on both bands. But while I can send on the sub band in
> the satellite mode (FUNC + REV or FUNC +NOR), RX n the main band is muted
> during the transmission, so I can't receive while sending.
> 
> 73 de DF6MU
> 
> --
> Sergej Kindsvater
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 PM, sergej kindsvater <df6mu.radio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I have recently bought a second hand ICOM ic-821h, that doesn't seem to be
>> capable of the full duplex in the satellite mode. Once transmitting on the
>> sub band, I have no receive on the main one. Does anybody have any idea as
>> to how to remedy? Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From clintbradford at mac.com  Mon Nov 23 22:34:06 2015
From: clintbradford at mac.com (Clint Bradford)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:34:06 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?
Message-ID: <E6B40AFB-5F8C-4EF4-91C2-0A60E93E27DD@mac.com>

Did I read somewhere that a particular set of commonly used Keplerian 
data sets did NOT include AO-85 - due to the fact that that mission's primary 
payload was "military" in nature?

If so - which set does NOT include AO-85?

Clint K6LCS

From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 23 22:43:36 2015
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:43:36 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?
In-Reply-To: <E6B40AFB-5F8C-4EF4-91C2-0A60E93E27DD@mac.com>
References: <E6B40AFB-5F8C-4EF4-91C2-0A60E93E27DD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <510ABEEC7C98463A9FA9B78C4DBC473B@allgood.local>

Hi Clint,

I think that the only set that INCLUDES AO85 is the one produced by AMSAT.

ftp://www.amsat.org/amsat/keps/current/nasabare.txt

I have not found AO85 yet in any of the Celestrak or Spacetrack lists that I 
used previously.

I am happy to be proven wrong of course!

73

Graham
G3VZV



-----Original Message----- 
From: Clint Bradford
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:34 PM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?

Did I read somewhere that a particular set of commonly used Keplerian
data sets did NOT include AO-85 - due to the fact that that mission's 
primary
payload was "military" in nature?

If so - which set does NOT include AO-85?

Clint K6LCS
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Nov 23 22:44:46 2015
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:44:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?
In-Reply-To: <510ABEEC7C98463A9FA9B78C4DBC473B@allgood.local>
References: <E6B40AFB-5F8C-4EF4-91C2-0A60E93E27DD@mac.com>
	<510ABEEC7C98463A9FA9B78C4DBC473B@allgood.local>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrNG6Y++25QULv1wQpHRgBQX-Qd9DJy0jSHj09yBaE58A@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,

You are correct. Only the AMSAT keps and those sourced from AMSAT will
include the keps.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Graham Shirville <
g.shirville at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi Clint,
>
> I think that the only set that INCLUDES AO85 is the one produced by AMSAT.
>
> ftp://www.amsat.org/amsat/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>
> I have not found AO85 yet in any of the Celestrak or Spacetrack lists that
> I used previously.
>
> I am happy to be proven wrong of course!
>
> 73
>
> Graham
> G3VZV
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Clint Bradford
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:34 PM
> To: AMSAT BB
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?
>
>
> Did I read somewhere that a particular set of commonly used Keplerian
> data sets did NOT include AO-85 - due to the fact that that mission's
> primary
> payload was "military" in nature?
>
> If so - which set does NOT include AO-85?
>
> Clint K6LCS
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From df6mu.radio at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 22:24:39 2015
From: df6mu.radio at gmail.com (sergej kindsvater)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:24:39 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-821h no full duplex in satellite mode
In-Reply-To: <8E805114-335C-4DAC-BFE1-A4316195F29A@mindspring.com>
References: <CABEna-K5Qp=tq3+uaeKAW-794yGxC=5NSAnWOPEF6u6=oxwzvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABEna-KjZfksbFXpt6Nm2FQmTMNe9qJ=22EYQtAfp0x_rPzDow@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E805114-335C-4DAC-BFE1-A4316195F29A@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <CABEna-+Pz5hBdDLJe9cn7FSg4fuRsAip09SfUKCjAszf8Q9OwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Drew,

Just tried to turn off the sub audio and in the satellite mode it indeed
completely mutes any receive. While when I have the sub audio on and tx in
the sat mode, I still hear some noice, but never a signal that is there on
the frequency. I ruled out a desensing as I have also transmitted into a
dummy load and have the same behaviour.

73 de DF6MU
On 23 Nov 2015 11:06 p.m., "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner at mindspring.com>
wrote:

> There is a sub band mute function in the menu. Look at the bottom of page
> 46 of the manual. You can get the manual from the icom website.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 23, 2015, at 4:45 PM, sergej kindsvater <df6mu.radio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nicholas, yes, of course. As said I can receive all right on both bands.
> I
> > can send all right on both bands. But while I can send on the sub band in
> > the satellite mode (FUNC + REV or FUNC +NOR), RX n the main band is muted
> > during the transmission, so I can't receive while sending.
> >
> > 73 de DF6MU
> >
> > --
> > Sergej Kindsvater
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 PM, sergej kindsvater <
> df6mu.radio at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have recently bought a second hand ICOM ic-821h, that doesn't seem to
> be
> >> capable of the full duplex in the satellite mode. Once transmitting on
> the
> >> sub band, I have no receive on the main one. Does anybody have any idea
> as
> >> to how to remedy? Thanks
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Nov 24 00:37:09 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:37:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-24 01:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <119bb9.55057cfe.43850b35@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-24  01:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Scuola Media Statale ?G. Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy,  telebridge via 
VK4KHZ 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact was successful:  Mon 2015-11-23 09:21:53 UTC 87 deg (***)
Watch for live stream at  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFhGc2nes4

Dragonskolan, Ume?,  Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact is a go  for: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25 UTC 78 deg

Nanasawa Kibounooka  Elementary School, Atsugi, Japan, direct via 8N1NKSG 
(***)
The ISS callsign  is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui  KG5BPH 
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-12-02 09:33:51 UTC 61 deg  (***)

Yayoi Elementary School, Yatomi, Japan, direct via 8N2YAYOI  (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***)
The  scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Fri 2015-12-04  09:25:46 UTC 57 deg  (***)


****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with 115  (***)
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-24 01:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1010. (***)
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 975.  (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-24 01:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Tue Nov 24 04:31:05 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:31:05 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & Wouxun KG-UV9D - more testing (long)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUdOifhwgwoy1qJgc1ABDBn=MkU3MoZhuPOib-igWEzL9g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Starting just after the launch of AO-85 last month, I have been using
different radios to work this satellite. Some of my experiments have been
with HTs, along with my Icom IC-2820H mobile radio at different power
levels. During the first weekend we had AO-85 in orbit, I had used my
Wouxun KG-UV9D to work the satellite, and found that it was usable to work
AO-85 when it was above 20 degrees elevation. The KG-UV9D can also work
U/V FM satellites like AO-85 full-duplex, although the reverse is not true
(there is too much desense when trying to work SO-50 or LilacSat-2, two
V/U FM satellites, full-duplex). After working AO-85 over the past 6 weeks
or so, I wanted to see if I could refine my suggestions from posts I made
here on the AMSAT-BB and on the QRZ satellite forum last month. Here
goes...

When I did my tests last month, I set the tuning step for the uplink VFO
to 5 kHz, and the downlink VFO at 2.5 kHz. Most Chinese-made HTs have
sharper receive filters than the HTs from the traditional ham equipment
manufacturers, so I have used the smaller tuning step for the downlink
frequencies when working FM satellites. For this weekend, I went with the
2.5 kHz tuning steps for both VFOs. This means still more adjustments when
working these passes compared to other radios that have 5 kHz as their
smallest tuning step in FM, but I think being able to make smaller
adjustments on the uplink VFO helps get through. I started with the uplink
VFO at 435.165 MHz, and then prepare to tune this VFO higher throughout the
pass. The downlink VFO is usually set to 145.9825 MHz initially, but it
does not take long for me to tune it down to 145.980 MHz, on its way down
to 145.975 MHz near LOS.

At the time I did my tests last month, I had set the KG-UV9D to "wide" FM
in both VFOs. Since then, there have been suggestions on working AO-85 in
narrow FM. Transmitting to AO-85 in narrow FM ensures the uplink signals
aren't overdeviated, and for the downlink it filters out most of the noise
that comes with the data being transmitted with the FM voice downlink. With
the KG-UV9D, it seems that its "wide" FM setting doesn't transmit a signal
with deviation that matches what comes from radios made by the traditional
ham manufacturers. The "wide" FM setting for the transmit VFO made a big
difference for me getting through and making more QSOs during the passes I
worked last weekend.

As with my tests last month, I did not program any memories. The KG-UV9D's
VFOs are ideal for this type of operating. Since operators can transmit
from one VFO and receive with the other VFO, memory channels aren't really
needed. An earpiece plugged into the speaker jack ensures no receive audio
feeds back into the microphone. There are moments where I have to switch
VFOs, so I can tune the downlink VFO down to the next tuning step, and then
switch back to the uplink VFO. This is not a huge issue, as I have had to
do this with my Kenwood TH-D72A.

Here are some key menu settings I have used with my KG-UV9D, for each VFO:

Uplink VFO:

STEP (03): 2.5
W/N (04): WIDE
SQL-LE (08): 9
Tx-CTC (17): 67.0

Downlink VFO:

STEP (03): 2.5
W/N (04): NARROW
SQL-LE (08): 0

I normally put the uplink frequency in the upper VFO, and the downlink
frequency in the lower VFO. This is my preference; it does not appear that
I have to use the VFOs in a particular way for full-duplex operation. I set
the squelch as tight as possible on the uplink VFO, and wide open on the
downlink VFO, to ensure I am hearing only the static from the downlink VFO.

Since many Chinese-made HTs use menus that are similar to what I have in
the KG-UV9D, I plan on using these settings in the other Chinese-made dual-
band HTs I plan on trying with AO-85 (Wouxun KG-UV8D, AnyTone TERMN-8R,
Puxing PX-UV973). I already had a successful test of full-duplex operation
on AO-85 with the KG-UV8D, and hope to try the other two HTs soon and see
how they handle full-duplex operation on this satellite. I have a couple of
other HTs that I'll try on AO-85 from "traditional" ham manufacturers
(Icom IC-W32A, Alinco DJ-G7T). I will also try my Kenwood TH-D72A, a radio
that should have no issues working AO-85 full-duplex, as it can be used
with SO-50 full-duplex.

Now, the AO-85 passes I worked with the KG-UV9D...

I worked three AO-85 passes from my back yard this weekend with the KG-UV9D
and my Elk log periodic antenna - a Saturday afternoon pass to my west with
maximum elevation of 61 degrees, a western pass Sunday morning with maximum
elevation of 70 degrees, and an eastern pass Sunday afternoon with maximum
elevation of 37 degrees. All 3 passes had several minutes where AO-85's
elevation was at least 20 degrees. I plugged an audio splitter into the
KG-UV9D's speaker jack, and split the receive audio between an earpiece and
my Sony digital audio recorder. This allowed me to have MP3 recordings of
the audio received by the HT while I heard the downlink, safe from having
receive audio feeding back into the HT's mic. For the two passes on Sunday,
I made an RF recording from my SDR receive setup - SDRplay SDR receiver,
8-inch Windows 10 tablet, HDSDR software, and the AMSAT-UK VHF crossed
dipole on an 8-foot mast and tripod. I forgot to make an RF recording of
the pass I worked on Saturday afternoon, or I would have had 3 RF
recordings to go with the 3 MP3 recordings from the HT. Oops. The SDR
receive setup allowed me to hear myself through AO-85 from an independent
receiver, as well as upload telemetry to the AMSAT server.

I logged 3 QSOs on the Saturday afternoon AO-85 pass, 6 QSOs on the Sunday
morning pass, and 3 more QSOs on the Sunday afternoon pass. The KG-UV9D did
a great job, even at 5 watts. The last QSO I completed on the pass Sunday
afternoon, with Drew KO4MA in Florida, was made with AO-85's elevation down
to 21 degrees. Shortly after this QSO, I was not able to hear myself
through the satellite. My audio from the satellite sounded OK on the HT and
my SDR receive setup, although not as loud and strong as other stations. I
had to twist my Elk antenna around, which helped to improve the downlink
signal and (when transmitting) improve my chances of AO-85 hearing me. I
was also able to upload telemetry to the AMSAT server from the two Sunday
passes I worked with the HT from the SDR receive setup out in the yard.

If you want to see pictures of my setup for these passes, or hear the audio
and/or RF recordings I made from these passes, you can visit my public
Dropbox space at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ and look for the folder named
"20151122-AO85_Fox1A-DM43". If the folder listing doesn't appear when going
to that link, press F5 or Refresh to force your web browser to make another
try at accessing the link.

I'll post more to the -BB, and upload more files to my Dropbox space, as I
test other HTs for their ability to work AO-85 full-duplex. I plan on
trying the KG-UV8D again, with the same settings as I used on the KG-UV9D,
to see if it does any better than it performed last month. The upcoming
Thanksgiving holiday weekend should allow for many passes that are usable
with 5-watt radios.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From vu3tyg at yahoo.co.in  Tue Nov 24 06:10:14 2015
From: vu3tyg at yahoo.co.in (Nitin Muttin)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 06:10:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help needed please
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxUmc5=+nRuPxugjBXfpB+JgtKegmmxsfW8XFK81ZzVRMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX7KxUmc5=+nRuPxugjBXfpB+JgtKegmmxsfW8XFK81ZzVRMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <794037514.7416547.1448345414768.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Burns for the pointers.
@Aayush, I can help you with information so that you are able to successfully receive and decode telemetry.?73
Nitin [VU3TYG]
 
      From: Burns Fisher <burns at fisher.cc>
 To: Aayush Yadav <aayushyadav825 at gmail.com> 
Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, 24 November 2015 1:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Help needed please
   
Hello Aayush,

Starting out with very strong signals is probably a good idea even though
you can probably get any satellite
that you wish with a good ground station.? Start out with AO-85 for FM
reception and AO-73 for SSB
reception.? AO-73 is especially strong during local day time during
Mon-Friday (UTC).? There is not
transponder turned on then, so all the power goes into the telemetry.

Both of these can be received with an HT (handheld with a simple antenna)
so you are very likely to receive
them on any station you have and optimize from there.

I would also suggest that you might find local colleagues in AMSAT-India
who would be able to tell you
things of local interest (what parts are available where, for example).

73,

Burns? W2BFJ

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Aayush Yadav <aayushyadav825 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> As a part of a student satellite project from India, I have a few questions
> regarding how can i improve my reception of data on the ground station. We
> have a TS2000 and have designed a few yagi antennas for uhf and vhf band. I
> would like to know some satellites on which we can practice receiving any
> signal. We are totally new to this system and have practiced some failed
> attempts of the same. Further, we would really appreciate If anyone could
> help on how we can increase our reception power. Any other help or advice
> would also be appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Aayush Yadav,
> Team Pratham,
> IIT Bombay.
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From wilfordchris at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 04:53:44 2015
From: wilfordchris at gmail.com (Chris Wilford)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:53:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOrNG6Y++25QULv1wQpHRgBQX-Qd9DJy0jSHj09yBaE58A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E6B40AFB-5F8C-4EF4-91C2-0A60E93E27DD@mac.com>
	<510ABEEC7C98463A9FA9B78C4DBC473B@allgood.local>
	<CABzOSOrNG6Y++25QULv1wQpHRgBQX-Qd9DJy0jSHj09yBaE58A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ABF97FE-7899-406E-B314-6DB58F08AE09@gmail.com>

On a related note...

Those of you who use heavens above app on android should know that although AO-85 is listed the keps are out of date.  The satellite appears many minutes later than heavens above shows.

Chris Wilford VE7CEW

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> You are correct. Only the AMSAT keps and those sourced from AMSAT will
> include the keps.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Graham Shirville <
> g.shirville at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Clint,
>> 
>> I think that the only set that INCLUDES AO85 is the one produced by AMSAT.
>> 
>> ftp://www.amsat.org/amsat/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>> 
>> I have not found AO85 yet in any of the Celestrak or Spacetrack lists that
>> I used previously.
>> 
>> I am happy to be proven wrong of course!
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Graham
>> G3VZV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Clint Bradford
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:34 PM
>> To: AMSAT BB
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Not Included in Keps?
>> 
>> 
>> Did I read somewhere that a particular set of commonly used Keplerian
>> data sets did NOT include AO-85 - due to the fact that that mission's
>> primary
>> payload was "military" in nature?
>> 
>> If so - which set does NOT include AO-85?
>> 
>> Clint K6LCS
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From fwinder at fuse.net  Tue Nov 24 13:20:59 2015
From: fwinder at fuse.net (Farrell Winder)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:20:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Testing my e-mail
Message-ID: <E2F15D2B1C884810B509113990442334@FarrellPC>

Farrell Winder, W8ZCF

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 14:00:38 2015
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 14:00:38 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] New Shepard Flies
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkMRHYzQPZLcSNsVMU0fq2DuX4w8R2M+CBtwxzBzNTectA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.blueorigin.com/news/blog/historic-rocket-landing
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2015/11/24/blue-origins-shepard-vehicle-suborbital-flight/

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From thane at outernet.is  Tue Nov 24 14:55:29 2015
From: thane at outernet.is (Thane Richard)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:55:29 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet good on Raspberry Pi 2B
Message-ID: <CAKhxLTaShXXnGBBuufY3t5jZnTR3VaDvNWovtmQigi8vxBUA1w@mail.gmail.com>

We recently released a new image for our ORxPi software that lets a
Raspberry Pi function as an Outernet receiver when plugged into a DVB-S
tuner.

You can download the image here:
https://archive.outernet.is/images/ORxPi2/0.2.9/

You can read instructions on how to build the receiver on our wiki here:
https://wiki.outernet.is/wiki/ORxPi

-- 
Thane Richard <https://twitter.com/thanerichard>
Content and Business Development Lead
Outernet <http://outernet.is/>

*Outernet in the press:* WIRED
<http://www.wired.com/2015/07/plan-beam-web-3-billion-unconnected-humans/>,
Inc.com <http://www.inc.com/dev-aujla/a-library-for-all.html>, TechCrunch
<http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/13/outernet-joins-the-space-race-for-internet-accessibility/>
, Gizmodo
<http://gizmodo.com/what-is-the-outernet-and-is-it-the-future-of-the-intern-1659647614>
, BBC <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29593734>, CNN
<http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/11/tech/internet-for-everyone/>, Fast Company
<http://www.fastcolabs.com/3027663/all-about-google-loons-low-cost-space-based-competitor-outernet>
, LA Times
<http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-g-outernet-explained-20140808-htmlstory.html>
, Motherboard
<http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-outernet-plans-to-broadcast-free-internet-from-space>

Our receiver, Lighthouse, is now available! To show how revolutionary
Lighthouse is, we installed one in a remote school in Uganda. Watch the
video here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlQFoGK1aWQ>.

From sasb.geo at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 21:53:41 2015
From: sasb.geo at yahoo.com (Eduardo Erlemann)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 21:53:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
References: <785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Panoramic view of AO-7 transponder, using  FCDP+ for RX and TS-2000 for TX. I got late on he bird after 1/2 pass that started at 18:40 UTC, forgot to swap SDR# IQ in the first moment :( 
Max elevation was 64deg TX power 5 Watts all the time and RHCP most of the time.  About 2 min before end of recording it is possible to hear I think a CU station calling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCq0WaEZ9g8&feature=youtu.be

73 Ed PY2RN
GG66LW

From martha at amsat.org  Tue Nov 24 23:02:36 2015
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:02:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Office Closed
Message-ID: <CAPk0USxFeD6wsyi-JBmuhNL1PUmmHzW274h9AR1fU0yEoOdtFA@mail.gmail.com>

The AMSAT Office will be closed from Wednesday, November 25th through
Monday, November 30th.

-- 
73- Martha

From nss at mwt.net  Tue Nov 24 23:20:32 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:20:32 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
In-Reply-To: <785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5654F0C0.5020304@mwt.net>

what are the three hills about?
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/24/2015 3:53 PM, Eduardo Erlemann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Panoramic view of AO-7 transponder, using  FCDP+ for RX and TS-2000 for TX. I got late on he bird after 1/2 pass that started at 18:40 UTC, forgot to swap SDR# IQ in the first moment :(
> Max elevation was 64deg TX power 5 Watts all the time and RHCP most of the time.  About 2 min before end of recording it is possible to hear I think a CU station calling.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCq0WaEZ9g8&feature=youtu.be
>
> 73 Ed PY2RN
> GG66LW
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From wd4elg at triad.rr.com  Wed Nov 25 00:17:29 2015
From: wd4elg at triad.rr.com (Mark Lunday)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:17:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone implemented a panadapter for Icom IC910H?
Message-ID: <00fd01d12716$ac3fa130$04bee390$@rr.com>



Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
wd4elg at arrl.net
http://wd4elg.blogspot.com



From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 25 01:22:29 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 20:22:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone implemented a panadapter for Icom IC910H?
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References: <00fd01d12716$ac3fa130$04bee390$@rr.com>
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I have, although on the wrong receiver for satellite mode. I used a buffer amp, and primarily use the pan adapter during 2m eskip and tropo openings and contests.

I think AC0RA has buffers amps on both receivers.

A Google search for "ic-910 if tap" brings up several of the resources I used.

73, Drew KO4MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Mark Lunday <wd4elg at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
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From kayakfishtx at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 03:29:03 2015
From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 21:29:03 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P EL16, EL15, EL06 - November 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAPovOwfp0EtSZyexnTW-rR1tBU=gBr+WbgwujikOTx=OSo4eZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPovOwfp0EtSZyexnTW-rR1tBU=gBr+WbgwujikOTx=OSo4eZw@mail.gmail.com>
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It's not looking favorable for me to visit EL06 this week. I'm not ruling
it out entirely but if I operate from there, it'll likely be an afternoon
FO-29.

Fortunately the EL15/16 grid line is close and I've been able to operate
from it on a couple of passes daily.

73
Clayton
W5PFG/P
EL16jb
On Nov 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Clayton Coleman" <kayakfishtx at gmail.com> wrote:

> November 22-26 I will operate portable from South Padre Island, Texas
> in EL16.  I plan to operate several passes a day from EL15, covering
> the southernmost tip of Texas.  An operation from EL06 is possible
> sometime in the beginning of that week.  You can follow my operation
> on Twitter  @w5pfg starting November 21.  It's possible I will operate
> once or twice while en route.
>
> I will try to work as many different satellites as possible.  I tend
> to favor FO-29, typically 15-20 kHz above the center of the
> transponder.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>

From e.krome at comcast.net  Wed Nov 25 03:51:49 2015
From: e.krome at comcast.net (Ed Krome)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 22:51:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone implemented a panadapter for Icom IC910H?
In-Reply-To: <AB8ABA51-CBA8-47EB-8ADD-E8A162F246BF@mindspring.com>
References: <00fd01d12716$ac3fa130$04bee390$@rr.com>
	<AB8ABA51-CBA8-47EB-8ADD-E8A162F246BF@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8513ABF1-4382-4086-9428-8FA761EB877F@comcast.net>

A great source of panadaptor information, as well as excellent buffer amplifiers, is at G4HUP.com. 

Ed Krome K9EK
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> I have, although on the wrong receiver for satellite mode. I used a buffer amp, and primarily use the pan adapter during 2m eskip and tropo openings and contests.
> 
> I think AC0RA has buffers amps on both receivers.
> 
> A Google search for "ic-910 if tap" brings up several of the resources I used.
> 
> 73, Drew KO4MA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Mark Lunday <wd4elg at triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
>> Greensboro, NC  FM06be
>> wd4elg at arrl.net
>> http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
>> 
>> 
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From daniel at destevez.net  Wed Nov 25 09:21:06 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:21:06 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
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El 24/11/15 a las 23:20, Joe escribi?:
> what are the three hills about?

That's just noise from the passband of AO-7 transponder. It's stronger
in three spots, one on the middle of the passband and two near the
edges. These spots are quite strong, in fact comparable to some of the
stations. If you look closely, you can also see that these spots get
frequency modulated with the strong transmissions.

This is one of those things that it's quite difficult to see on a
traditional receiver but it's quite apparent on an SDR waterfall.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.


From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Wed Nov 25 09:46:04 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:46:04 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
In-Reply-To: <56557D82.9020703@destevez.net>
References: <785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi,

Yes, there was a CU station there. At 10:27 you can hear me calling :)
Hope you can get me calling on our Sked for December!

73 de Pedro CU2ZG




Quoting Daniel Est?vez <daniel at destevez.net>:

> El 24/11/15 a las 23:20, Joe escribi?:
>> what are the three hills about?
>
> That's just noise from the passband of AO-7 transponder. It's stronger
> in three spots, one on the middle of the passband and two near the
> edges. These spots are quite strong, in fact comparable to some of the
> stations. If you look closely, you can also see that these spots get
> frequency modulated with the strong transmissions.
>
> This is one of those things that it's quite difficult to see on a
> traditional receiver but it's quite apparent on an SDR waterfall.
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
>
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From wa4sca at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 12:00:28 2015
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:00:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Using PowerSDR to copy AO-85 DUV telemetry
Message-ID: <000001d12778$e08e0e60$a1aa2b20$@GMAIL.COM>

All,

There are several users on this list who use Flex rigs, pre-6k series, for satellite operations. There
is a problem with the Flex PowerSDR FM implementation because it lacks a way to bypass the audio
filtering. (Fixed in SmartSDR.) The low frequency attenuation is good enough to prevent using the
normal audio to decode DUV, but poor enough you can hear the DUV rumble, or the PL tones on a normal
repeater. However, there is a way, suggested by Dave, W0DHB to make this work for DUV telemetry.
Fortunately the PowerSDR I/Q output bypasses the filtering, and FoxTelem can accept I/Q inputs.
(According to the Flex people, the convention for I/Q is reversed in PowerSDR, but I have had no
problem interfacing it to FoxTelem.)

If your only interest is telemetry, there are alternate approaches which are probably better. I wanted
to be able to copy telemetry, but also be able to communicate at the same time. I will assume users
have already installed Virtual Audio Cables, know how to hook software programs together, and are
familiar with FoxTelem. All have good documentation. Additionally, different choices for sampling and
buffers may well work, as well as different procedures for tuning, but these are what I am using
successfully.

In PowerSDR, go to VAC 1 and select 48k sampling, 1024 buffers. (Under Primary Audio, I use my normal
192k sampling, 1024 buffers.) Check both boxes in the Direct I/Q box. The VAC audio level control does
not have any effect on I/Q signal levels. Enable VAC 1.

In FoxTelem, select the correct cable to get the audio from PowerSDR, 48k sampling, and tick I/Q and
low speed.

I use SatPC32 to drive the Flex VU-5K. Tweak the downlink to center up the display, as you do for
ordinary voice. Start FoxTelem. You will see the characteristic AO-85 display in the lower FFT pane.
Do NOT use the Find Signal or Track Doppler, yet. Instead, click on the FFT display to tune FoxTelem.
You should be rewarded with a nice eye pattern, and SNR of 5-10. If you have a strong signal, select
the Track Doppler. It will hunt briefly, and then settle down to something close to optimum.

Generally leaving Doppler Track checked is the most flexible since it will adapt to the slight changes
in the downlink frequency. You may miss a few packets around AOS however. If you uncheck it, the
"sweet spot" will not change since SatPC32 will keep it tracking, so long as you adjust for the
current downlink frequency. I normally leave my checked.

This technique gives nearly 100% copy without compromising voice operations. In principle it should
work for high speed telemetry, but to date I have not been successful. Probably a sample rate/buffer
issue.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA

-----------------------------------

Keep Calm and Carry On



From bruninga at usna.edu  Wed Nov 25 13:23:45 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:23:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Travel Day mobile QSOs
Message-ID: <2582140740b1d0ce65c2dd9749b14086@mail.gmail.com>

Ham Radio Travel day:



Don?t forget to monitor 144.39 with CTCSS 100 and get automatic alerts
(pings) when you are in mobile simplex range of another  mobile traveler
(running APRS).



It works with ANY mobile radio. As long as you have CTCSS set to 100.



It is better than CQ 52 because the other mobiles are sending out a ping
once a minute instead of an occasional CQ call on 52.  With cars passing
each other at a combined 120 MPH, you are only in range of each other for a
few minutes.  So, you can either call CQ every 2 minutes all day long, or
you can sit back and monitor 144.39 with CTCSS 100 and let the radio do the
work.



For more info, see http://aprs.org/VoiceAlert3.html



Happy Travels.

Bob, WB4APR

From nss at mwt.net  Wed Nov 25 14:08:38 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:08:38 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
In-Reply-To: <56557D82.9020703@destevez.net>
References: <785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<785976879.8234265.1448402021812.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5654F0C0.5020304@mwt.net> <56557D82.9020703@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <5655C0E6.3080207@mwt.net>

Thats pretty cool.
Is it a part of the filtering in this old gal, or what causes it?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/25/2015 3:21 AM, Daniel Est?vez wrote:
> El 24/11/15 a las 23:20, Joe escribi?:
>> what are the three hills about?
> That's just noise from the passband of AO-7 transponder. It's stronger
> in three spots, one on the middle of the passband and two near the
> edges. These spots are quite strong, in fact comparable to some of the
> stations. If you look closely, you can also see that these spots get
> frequency modulated with the strong transmissions.
>
> This is one of those things that it's quite difficult to see on a
> traditional receiver but it's quite apparent on an SDR waterfall.
>
> 73,
>
> Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
>
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From dwarnberg at verizon.net  Wed Nov 25 13:33:49 2015
From: dwarnberg at verizon.net (David)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
Message-ID: <00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net>

Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving,

                Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a
FLEX-6000 series rig?   I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my
first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the
conversation on how do you have everything setup?  I had a 9100 and could do
full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the
same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will)

 

Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set one
up before..

 

Thanks

 

David


From w5pfg at amsat.org  Wed Nov 25 14:37:30 2015
From: w5pfg at amsat.org (Clayton W5PFG)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:37:30 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone implemented a panadapter for Icom IC910H?
In-Reply-To: <00fd01d12716$ac3fa130$04bee390$@rr.com>
References: <00fd01d12716$ac3fa130$04bee390$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5655C7AA.2030801@amsat.org>

I had both main and sub-band IF taps added to my Icom IC-910h.  I wasn't 
as impressed with it as I'd hoped.  My recommendation for satellite 
panadapter use is to setup relays between each band, your transmitter, 
and your SDR.

In fact, I have a Clifton Labs buffer amp sitting my drawer.  If someone 
wants it, email me off-BB.

73
Clayton
W5PFG

On 11/24/2015 18:17, Mark Lunday wrote:
>
> Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
> Greensboro, NC  FM06be
> wd4elg at arrl.net
> http://wd4elg.blogspot.com

From sasb.geo at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 25 14:52:47 2015
From: sasb.geo at yahoo.com (Eduardo Erlemann)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:52:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
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Message-ID: <1412149909.8503735.1448463167161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I think it is caused due the components age/conditions which is affecting its receiver linearity, noticed even in a such narrow band.

73s

Ed PY2RN
GG66LW
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/25/15, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
 
 Thats pretty cool.
 Is it a part of the filtering in this old gal,
 or what causes it?
 
 Joe
 WB9SBD
 Sig
 The Original
 Rolling Ball Clock
 Idle Tyme
 Idle-Tyme.com
 http://www.idle-tyme.com
 On 11/25/2015 3:21 AM, Daniel Est?vez
 wrote:
 > El 24/11/15 a las 23:20, Joe
 escribi?:
 >> what are the three hills
 about?
 > That's just noise from the
 passband of AO-7 transponder. It's stronger
 > in three spots, one on the middle of the
 passband and two near the
 > edges. These
 spots are quite strong, in fact comparable to some of the
 > stations. If you look closely, you can
 also see that these spots get
 > frequency
 modulated with the strong transmissions.
 >
 > This is one of those
 things that it's quite difficult to see on a
 > traditional receiver but it's quite
 apparent on an SDR waterfall.
 >
 > 73,
 >
 > Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
 >
 >
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From nss at mwt.net  Wed Nov 25 15:25:42 2015
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:25:42 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
In-Reply-To: <1412149909.8503735.1448463167161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1412149909.8503735.1448463167161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <5655D2F6.4030207@mwt.net>

So,
For best results you want to place your signal in the valleys true?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/25/2015 8:52 AM, Eduardo Erlemann wrote:
> I think it is caused due the components age/conditions which is affecting its receiver linearity, noticed even in a such narrow band.
>
> 73s
>
> Ed PY2RN
> GG66LW
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 11/25/15, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
>   To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>   Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
>   
>   Thats pretty cool.
>   Is it a part of the filtering in this old gal,
>   or what causes it?
>   
>   Joe
>   WB9SBD
>   Sig
>   The Original
>   Rolling Ball Clock
>   Idle Tyme
>   Idle-Tyme.com
>   http://www.idle-tyme.com
>   On 11/25/2015 3:21 AM, Daniel Est?vez
>   wrote:
>   > El 24/11/15 a las 23:20, Joe
>   escribi?:
>   >> what are the three hills
>   about?
>   > That's just noise from the
>   passband of AO-7 transponder. It's stronger
>   > in three spots, one on the middle of the
>   passband and two near the
>   > edges. These
>   spots are quite strong, in fact comparable to some of the
>   > stations. If you look closely, you can
>   also see that these spots get
>   > frequency
>   modulated with the strong transmissions.
>   >
>   > This is one of those
>   things that it's quite difficult to see on a
>   > traditional receiver but it's quite
>   apparent on an SDR waterfall.
>   >
>   > 73,
>   >
>   > Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
>   >
>   >
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From sasb.geo at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 25 15:34:02 2015
From: sasb.geo at yahoo.com (Eduardo Erlemann)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:34:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
References: <1704917086.8595024.1448465642407.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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It is a SNR (signal to noise ratio) matter, if you position your TX on the top of the hill you can hear it stronger but the noise is also stronger, if you slip to the mid of the valley your signal will be weaker but noise as well. In a practical  experiment (using my ears) I noticed a better SNR relationship staying in between the valley and the hill, which will be very difficult to find for who uses a regular rig for RX.

73 Ed PY2RN
GG66LW
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/25/15, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
 To: "Eduardo Erlemann" <sasb.geo at yahoo.com>, amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 1:25 PM
 
 
     So,
 
     For best results you want to place your signal in the
 valleys true?
 
     
 
     Joe WB9SBD
 
     
       Sig
 
           The
 Original Rolling
             Ball Clock
 
           Idle
 Tyme
 
           Idle-Tyme.com
 
           http://www.idle-tyme.com
 
     
     On 11/25/2015 8:52 AM,
 Eduardo Erlemann
       wrote:
 
     
     
       I think it is caused due the components
 age/conditions which is affecting its receiver linearity,
 noticed even in a such narrow band.
 
 73s
 
 Ed PY2RN
 GG66LW
 --------------------------------------------
 On Wed, 11/25/15, Joe <nss at mwt.net>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 transponder pan view
  To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
  Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
  
  Thats pretty cool.
  Is it a part of the filtering in this old gal,
  or what causes it?
  
  Joe
  WB9SBD
  Sig
  The Original
  Rolling Ball Clock
  Idle Tyme
  Idle-Tyme.com
  http://www.idle-tyme.com
  On 11/25/2015 3:21 AM, Daniel Est?vez
  wrote:
  > El 24/11/15 a las 23:20, Joe
  escribi?:
  >> what are the three hills
  about?
  > That's just noise from the
  passband of AO-7 transponder. It's stronger
  > in three spots, one on the middle of the
  passband and two near the
  > edges. These
  spots are quite strong, in fact comparable to some of the
  > stations. If you look closely, you can
  also see that these spots get
  > frequency
  modulated with the strong transmissions.
  >
  > This is one of those
  things that it's quite difficult to see on a
  > traditional receiver but it's quite
  apparent on an SDR waterfall.
  >
  > 73,
  >
  > Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
  >
  >
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From edc2491 at cox.net  Wed Nov 25 16:47:18 2015
From: edc2491 at cox.net (Ed Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:47:18 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Heavens Above Tracking Program
Message-ID: <003001d127a0$f30e5b30$d92b1190$@cox.net>

 

I started working satellites in April of this year and have been using
Heavens Above to track ISS, SO-50 and AO-85.  Because of my location (my
back yard) SO-50 has not been in a good position during the day for me to
work.  I have been trying to work AO-85 but have not heard it for the past
week.  I initially thought that the antenna had a problem but it wasn't
since I could hear conversations on various repeaters in the Phoenix AZ
area.  This morning it downed on me to check AmsatDroid Free on my phone.  I
found that the information on passes listed on Heavens Above was early, the
LOS time was actually the AOS time on AmstatDroid Free.  I have been setting
up for a pass and getting on early using the Heavens Above information and
getting off just as AO-85 was reaching AOS.  Up until this past week Heavens
Above has been very reliable.  Both the Android phone version and the
internet software version are giving the same pass times.  Using the pass
times from AmsatDroid Free I was able to hear conversations on AO-85 this
morning but was unable to make contact.  That's me being new to AO-85 which,
I have read, can be frustrating.  

 

73,

 

Ed, N7EC   


From w4tas at gte.net  Wed Nov 25 16:43:16 2015
From: w4tas at gte.net (w4tas)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:43:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 7 Pan View
Message-ID: <743A7D48058945BBB624B926F79505C7@tonyslaptop>

What type of antenna was being used with the FCDP+ when the spectrum was viewed. 

Thanks, 

W4TAS

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Wed Nov 25 18:07:38 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:07:38 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hearing AO-85 with a KG-UV9D & dual-band duckie
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcHbsxFzPAp-G-j3oer0h-+wR2kpdzkozMOP948Y9S8eg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

After seeing several people at my demonstration in Goodyear
AZ last week used their HTs with standard duckie antennas to
hear AO-85 as it passed by, and seeing many positive comments
on how easy it is to hear this downlink, I decided to try it
for myself. On my way to the office this morning, I stopped
at a shopping center parking lot for the AO-85 pass around
1438 UTC to hear this pass. AO-85 went up to a maximum
elevation of 41 degrees, which would have been a nice pass
to work if I had my Elk log periodic in the car.

After about 3 minutes into the pass, I could hear the round-
table conversation taking place. Using my Wouxun KG-UV9D HT
and a Nagoya NA-701 2m/70cm duckie antenna that is about 8.5
inches/22cm long, and with the squelch open, I was able to
listen to the downlink. I had to move the HT around while
listening to the downlink, but I was hearing it. I had the
HT in narrow FM, as I described in my report on working
stations via AO-85 using this HT and my Elk log periodic
antenna I sent to the -BB yesterday. I had to adjust the
frequency down from 145.980 MHz through 145.9775 MHz to
145.975 MHz near the end of the pass, using one of the
HT's VFOs.

While I was listening to this pass, I used my mobile phone
to make a short video clip of what I was doing. The 4-minute
clip I recorded around the middle of the pass is now on
YouTube at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZDpRZHd2FE

There is a point in this video clip where I was not hearing
the downlink, as I dropped the radio into my car. Once I
picked it up and held it outside the car again, I was able
to continue hearing the downlink. This is not a professional-
grade video (it was recorded in 720p, but I'm not a movie
producer), but it shows that we don't need much to hear AO-85.

During this pass, I heard several stations, and the video
clip has most of them. I was hearing WA6DIR in California,
KC7MG in Arizona, AA5PK in Texas, W7SXM in Washington state,
and late in the pass I heard KC9ELU in Indiana. If I had
planned this out better, I would have tried to record more
of the pass, and made sure I didn't drop the radio during
the recording.

Happy Thanksgiving, and 73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From AJ9N at aol.com  Wed Nov 25 18:50:32 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 13:50:32 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-25 19:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <1fe2e0.36cae970.43875cf8@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-25  19:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The  ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is  Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact was not successful: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25  UTC 78 deg (***)
ARISS is working to determine what happened.   (***)

Nanasawa Kibounooka Elementary School, Atsugi, Japan, direct  via 8N1NKSG
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The  scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH 
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-12-02  09:33:51 UTC 61 deg

Yayoi Elementary School, Yatomi, Japan, direct  via 8N2YAYOI 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 
The  scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Fri 2015-12-04  09:25:46 UTC 57 deg  


****************************************************************************
**


>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with 115  
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-25 19:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1010. 
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 975. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-24 01:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From johnbrier at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 19:17:10 2015
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:17:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] New iOS Sat Tracking App
Message-ID: <CALn0fKMDJMoa0x=JbJpgrPV+HZvgRCgRQX9U=V1oiKesdkBjhQ@mail.gmail.com>

From
https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/3u2n3g/a_satellite_tracking_software_for_ios_with/

http://satsat.space/

"I've just published a side project called SatSat http://satsat.space, it
predicts passes, it's free (with ads), and can work totally offline,
predictions and maps are done on the device. It also displays frequencies
for the beacons. Comments are welcome, based on interest, I may add more
features like doppler at start and end..."


John, KG4AKV

From bruninga at usna.edu  Wed Nov 25 19:17:48 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:17:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Breakup and some debris?)
Message-ID: <111c2b8cc0ba9b7db9fa33695ace1c93@mail.gmail.com>

Just got this.

--------
On 25 November 2015 at approximately 0816z, [multiple objects] were detected
in the vicinity of NOAA 16 (#26536), which may indicate a breakup of the
non-operational satellite.  As of 1830z, 19 associated objects have been
cataloged... More pieces may be cataloged as analysis continues...
--------
Just a reminder how messy it is up there.
Bob, WB4APR

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Nov 25 21:08:59 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:08:59 -0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
Message-ID: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

David,

Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on 
another frequency band.  They are not duplex as a rule.

Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on 
two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using 
two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite 
band.  If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will 
Rx on the downlink band.  I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio.

The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex 
radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers 
but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex).

-------------
I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex by:
1.  Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band
2.  Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter)
I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode 
UV or VU; either will output up to 25w.

Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital 
operation.  Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to 
use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for eme.

The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios.  Haven't 
gotten into that, yet.

73, Ed - KL7UW
Not currently QRV for satellite.

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500
From: "David" <dwarnberg at verizon.net>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
Message-ID: <00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving,

                 Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a
FLEX-6000 series rig?   I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my
first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the
conversation on how do you have everything setup?  I had a 9100 and could do
full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the
same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will)

  Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set one
up before..

Thanks
David


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From wa4sca at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 21:49:04 2015
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:49:04 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
In-Reply-To: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <000501d127cb$1aa8ced0$4ffa6c70$@GMAIL.COM>

There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very issue right now. Sounds like
all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite operation rig.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA




<-----Original Message-----
<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole
<Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:09 PM
<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<
<David,
<
<Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on
<another frequency band.  They are not duplex as a rule.
<
<Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on
<two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using
<two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite
<band.  If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will
<Rx on the downlink band.  I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio.
<
<The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex
<radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers
<but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex).
<
<-------------
<I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex by:
<1.  Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band
<2.  Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter)
<I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode
<UV or VU; either will output up to 25w.
<
<Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital
<operation.  Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to
<use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for eme.
<
<The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios.  Haven't
<gotten into that, yet.
<
<73, Ed - KL7UW
<Not currently QRV for satellite.
<
<Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500
<From: "David" <dwarnberg at verizon.net>
<To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
<Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<Message-ID: <00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net>
<Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
<
<Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving,
<
<                 Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a
<FLEX-6000 series rig?   I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my
<first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the
<conversation on how do you have everything setup?  I had a 9100 and could do
<full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the
<same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will)
<
<  Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set one
<up before..
<
<Thanks
<David
<
<
<73, Ed - KL7UW
<http://www.kl7uw.com
<     "Kits made by KL7UW"
<Dubus Mag business:
<     dubususa at gmail.com
<
<_______________________________________________
<Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
<to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
<are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
<Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
<Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



From kb2m at comcast.net  Wed Nov 25 23:19:01 2015
From: kb2m at comcast.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 18:19:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
In-Reply-To: <000501d127cb$1aa8ced0$4ffa6c70$@GMAIL.COM>
References: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<000501d127cb$1aa8ced0$4ffa6c70$@GMAIL.COM>
Message-ID: <BFD824BC31FE457AA1E6CE7EC36849D9@kb2m4PC>

Am I having a senior moment or didn't Flex at one time have a full duplex 
sat op compatible system with their 5000 series some years ago?  I'm 
building my station up here in my winter home in Florida and would love to 
have a Flex solution to my full duplex sat op needs...

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:49 PM
To: 'Edward R Cole' ; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio

There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very 
issue right now. Sounds like
all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite 
operation rig.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA




<-----Original Message-----
<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R 
Cole
<Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:09 PM
<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<
<David,
<
<Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on
<another frequency band.  They are not duplex as a rule.
<
<Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on
<two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using
<two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite
<band.  If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will
<Rx on the downlink band.  I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio.
<
<The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex
<radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers
<but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex).
<
<-------------
<I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex 
by:
<1.  Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band
<2.  Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter)
<I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode
<UV or VU; either will output up to 25w.
<
<Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital
<operation.  Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to
<use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for 
eme.
<
<The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios.  Haven't
<gotten into that, yet.
<
<73, Ed - KL7UW
<Not currently QRV for satellite.
<
<Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500
<From: "David" <dwarnberg at verizon.net>
<To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
<Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<Message-ID: <00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net>
<Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
<
<Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving,
<
<                 Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a
<FLEX-6000 series rig?   I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my
<first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the
<conversation on how do you have everything setup?  I had a 9100 and could 
do
<full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the
<same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will)
<
<  Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set 
one
<up before..
<
<Thanks
<David
<
<
<73, Ed - KL7UW
<http://www.kl7uw.com
<     "Kits made by KL7UW"
<Dubus Mag business:
<     dubususa at gmail.com
<
<_______________________________________________
<Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
<to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions 
expressed
<are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of 
AMSAT-NA.
<Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
<Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


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expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of 
AMSAT-NA.
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Thu Nov 26 01:14:22 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:14:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-26 01:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <21e0bb.694dd2bb.4387b6ee@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-26  01:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The  ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is  Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS 
Contact was not successful: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25  UTC 78 deg
ARISS is working to determine what happened.

Nanasawa  Kibounooka Elementary School, Atsugi, Japan, direct via 8N1NKSG
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya  Yui KG5BPH 
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-12-02 09:33:51 UTC 61  deg

Yayoi Elementary School, Yatomi, Japan, direct via 8N2YAYOI  
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 
The scheduled  astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Fri 2015-12-04 09:25:46  UTC 57 deg 

Ingushetia, Russia, direct via TBD (***)
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be RS?ISS (***)
The scheduled astronaut is  Sergey Volkov RU3DIS (***)
Contact is a go for: Sat 2015-12-05 16:25 UTC  (***)

****************************************************************************
**

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

****************************************************************************
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

****************************************************************************
Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with 115  
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-26 01:00 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1010. 
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 975. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-24 01:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors



From wa4sca at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 01:23:34 2015
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:23:34 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
In-Reply-To: <BFD824BC31FE457AA1E6CE7EC36849D9@kb2m4PC>
References: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>	<000501d127cb$1aa8ced0$4ffa6c70$@GMAIL.COM>
	<BFD824BC31FE457AA1E6CE7EC36849D9@kb2m4PC>
Message-ID: <001601d127e9$121081f0$363185d0$@GMAIL.COM>

Jeff,

You are thinking of the Flex VU5K.  Basically the 5000 with 2 meters and 70 cms integral. A very nice
rig, though there are a few loose ends and some features such as a digital FM mode were never
delivered.  The hardware is very flexible, and you can add external equipment such as mode-L and
mode-S without the interfacing issues common with other rigs. They come up for sale around $2500, and
are in my opinion well worth having.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA



<-----Original Message-----
<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
<Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:19 PM
<To: Amsat <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<
<Am I having a senior moment or didn't Flex at one time have a full duplex
<sat op compatible system with their 5000 series some years ago?  I'm
<building my station up here in my winter home in Florida and would love to
<have a Flex solution to my full duplex sat op needs...
<
<73 Jeff kb2m
<
<-----Original Message-----
<From: Alan
<Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:49 PM
<To: 'Edward R Cole' ; amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<
<There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very
<issue right now. Sounds like
<all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite
<operation rig.
<
<73s,
<
<Alan
<WA4SCA
<
<
<
<
<<-----Original Message-----
<<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R
<Cole
<<Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:09 PM
<<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<<
<<David,
<<
<<Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on
<<another frequency band.  They are not duplex as a rule.
<<
<<Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on
<<two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using
<<two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite
<<band.  If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will
<<Rx on the downlink band.  I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio.
<<
<<The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex
<<radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers
<<but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex).
<<
<<-------------
<<I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex
<by:
<<1.  Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band
<<2.  Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter)
<<I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode
<<UV or VU; either will output up to 25w.
<<
<<Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital
<<operation.  Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to
<<use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for
<eme.
<<
<<The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios.  Haven't
<<gotten into that, yet.
<<
<<73, Ed - KL7UW
<<Not currently QRV for satellite.
<<
<<Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500
<<From: "David" <dwarnberg at verizon.net>
<<To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
<<Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
<<Message-ID: <00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net>
<<Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
<<
<<Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving,
<<
<<                 Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a
<<FLEX-6000 series rig?   I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my
<<first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the
<<conversation on how do you have everything setup?  I had a 9100 and could
<do
<<full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the
<<same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will)
<<
<<  Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set
<one
<<up before..
<<
<<Thanks
<<David
<<
<<
<<73, Ed - KL7UW
<<http://www.kl7uw.com
<<     "Kits made by KL7UW"
<<Dubus Mag business:
<<     dubususa at gmail.com
<<
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<AMSAT-NA.
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From mlunday at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 26 03:17:24 2015
From: mlunday at nc.rr.com (Mark Lunday)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:17:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
In-Reply-To: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <001901d127f8$f92b6b40$eb8241c0$@rr.com>

Edward Cole said  "The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex
radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers but one
could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex)."

With respect, Sir, this is not accurate.  I have a Flex 5000 with the second
receiver installed, and absolutely can listen on the second receiver while
transmitting on the first.   It's a setting under GENERAL->RX2


Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
Greensboro, NC  FM06be
wd4elg at arrl.net
http://wd4elg.blogspot.com



From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 03:38:53 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:38:53 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84&83
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYtcNuZoF3qV_gx3vEDGetqCKkv+iU2sqagXQEGPT+wnQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Question for Bob WB4APR, What is the current status of NO-83? Last I heard
we never established communications with it. Also I just worked my first
successful pass on NO-84's PSK31 transponder, The down link always stays at
about 5-5 to pegging the s meter, so no problems here! I only ran 10W on
the uplink and the bird heard me just fine. Unfourtently no one seems to be
on, maybe people just think its too hard to work, trust me its really easy
to work when you get the software setup! Im using DopplerPsk for the uplink
and it works very well, it keeps my uplink 100% stable. The W3ADO beacon
comes through very strong as well. I hope more people hop on board NO-84 as
its the funnest thing I have worked in a long time. And maybe we can see if
we can get NO-83 back.

73's KE8AKW Nick

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 04:45:17 2015
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:45:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Minimum 10m equipment for NO-84?
Message-ID: <5F449AB6D3CA4E0188047DEEBA236D8F@OPT755>

The recent post from KE8AKW Nick, plus previous posts from WB4APR Bob got me thinking... just what would be required to transmit PSK-31 to NO-84?

In the Amateur Radio world, I'm sure that I'm in the minority, but I don't even OWN an HF rig.  My primary interests are the higher frequencies, including satellite telemetry and the other various data modes.  Practically the only time I transmit a signal is packet to the ISS.  I'm much more active with SDR's and a computer than I am with conventional radios.

But all the data modes interest me, and perhaps others.  If someone would be kind enough to list what hardware might be required for the transmit side of NO-84's PSK-31 capability, it sure would be appreciated.  (low-cost options preferred!)

73!

-Scott, K4KDR
Montpelier, VA  USA


From daniel at destevez.net  Thu Nov 26 09:44:45 2015
From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:44:45 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Minimum 10m equipment for NO-84?
In-Reply-To: <5F449AB6D3CA4E0188047DEEBA236D8F@OPT755>
References: <5F449AB6D3CA4E0188047DEEBA236D8F@OPT755>
Message-ID: <5656D48D.2050107@destevez.net>

El 26/11/15 a las 04:45, Scott escribi?:
> The recent post from KE8AKW Nick, plus previous posts from WB4APR Bob got me thinking... just what would be required to transmit PSK-31 to NO-84?
> 
> In the Amateur Radio world, I'm sure that I'm in the minority, but I don't even OWN an HF rig.  My primary interests are the higher frequencies, including satellite telemetry and the other various data modes.  Practically the only time I transmit a signal is packet to the ISS.  I'm much more active with SDR's and a computer than I am with conventional radios.
> 
> But all the data modes interest me, and perhaps others.  If someone would be kind enough to list what hardware might be required for the transmit side of NO-84's PSK-31 capability, it sure would be appreciated.  (low-cost options preferred!)

Dear Scott,

I have yet to try to work NO-84, so hopefully others can provide better
impressions of the uplink power and antenna needed.

One thing that you might want to consider is getting a 10m-only
transceiver. There are several inexpensive ones from Chinese
manufacturers, such as the Anytone AT-5555. These will cost around
100$-150$ and put out up to 20W or so. Definitely an option to consider,
because the cheapest all-band HF tranceiver now is probably the
FT-817ND, with a considerably higher price tag, and it will put out only 5W.

73,

Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.


From koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl  Thu Nov 26 09:52:45 2015
From: koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl (Koos van den Hout)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:52:45 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Minimum 10m equipment for NO-84?
In-Reply-To: <5656D48D.2050107@destevez.net>
References: <5F449AB6D3CA4E0188047DEEBA236D8F@OPT755>
	<5656D48D.2050107@destevez.net>
Message-ID: <20151126095245.GA15702@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>

Quoting Daniel Est?vez who wrote on Thu 2015-11-26 at 09:44:

> > But all the data modes interest me, and perhaps others.  If someone would be kind enough to list what hardware might be required for the transmit side of NO-84's PSK-31 capability, it sure would be appreciated.  (low-cost options preferred!)
> 
> One thing that you might want to consider is getting a 10m-only
> transceiver. There are several inexpensive ones from Chinese
> manufacturers, such as the Anytone AT-5555. These will cost around
> 100$-150$ and put out up to 20W or so.

I don't know how easy it is to input audio from PSK31 software into such a
radio. Holding the mic up to your speaker may be a good start.

And to find a cheap 10 meter vertical: have a look at CB antennas. Most
will cover 28 MHz.

I did the experiment with transmitting to NO-84 using a dipole in the attic
and found I needed 20 watts on HF, see
http://idefix.net/~koos/newsitem.cgi/1433017519

                                                Koos van den Hout PD4KH

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From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Thu Nov 26 12:19:50 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:19:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Minimum 10m equipment for NO-84?
In-Reply-To: <5F449AB6D3CA4E0188047DEEBA236D8F@OPT755>
References: <5F449AB6D3CA4E0188047DEEBA236D8F@OPT755>
Message-ID: <5656F8E6.9030805@denstarfarm.us>

On 25-Nov-15 2345, Scott wrote:

... just what would be required to transmit PSK-31 to
> NO-84?

Per WB4APR, I got the program "PSKDoppler". That one drives my
Tigertronics-SignaLink with the data to Drive the K3. The K3 goes to the
weak-link, namely my 300-foot dipole, ladder-line-fed at 85 feet.

The antenna pattern just isn't too useful for continuous access, in a
given pass,  to PSAT.

The program DopplerPSK on the other hand is nifty. Keeps the TX freq
quite stable to the uplink. Since the Downlink on 70cm is FM, I don't
seem to have to worry about Doppler corrections on that downlink. Pretty
neat indeed.

The difficulties I have are in not being strong enough, often with 90
watts, to bring-up PSAT. If the downlink is activated by her beacon,
then I get in quite well.

In my case I need a vertical for 10m.

This all may not be your minimal requirement. However, you can see what
another newbie to PSAT is trying.



> In the Amateur Radio world, I'm sure that I'm in the minority, but I
> don't even OWN an HF rig. 

A comment here. As a T-Shirt which I bought for my grand-daughter says,
"When All Else Fails ... Amateur Radio." IIRC, Sparks has a Key and wire
antenna on that "T".

HF is useful to reach planet-wide in emergencies of a larger scale. With
today's digital modes like JT65, I have made VK on a half-watt. ..The
need for good CW is, to me, self-explanatory. In '58 when I started CW
was better than my nose touching the SHure-Mic and getting zapped all
the dang time. CW should be a skill set required. And mechanical CW, not
a digital representation.

This is Thanksgiving, please don't carpet-bomb me for the last
paragraph, hi hi.

Happy THANKSGIVING fellow Satellite-People.


> My primary interests are the higher ....

yes, mine too. But not all-inclusive


-- 
73,
Bob KD7YZ
www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz
AmSat LM#901

From rjlawn at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 13:50:39 2015
From: rjlawn at gmail.com (Richard Lawn)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:50:39 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex radio for satellites
Message-ID: <CADQmrTGU+gRvqsTXUfMAWKp9hTsi=NOzZ-WWw7yafs_iE9krxg@mail.gmail.com>

In answer to your questions, yes the Flex 5000A could be fully equipped
with 2 rcvrs and the V/U module, however they discontinued it with the
release of their 6000 series radio. For satellites I've used the FT736f,
Ts2000 and ft847 and none compare to the ease of operation and rx quality
of the Flex5000A, which is why I'm holding on to mine.

But you could do what I'm now doing which is to use another radio capable
of V/U transmission on all modes as your uplink radio and use a 6000 series
radio with inexpensive down converters for rx. I then built a USB
relay controlled box that drives antenna switching relays. I found this to
be much cheaper than the other alternative which is to buy DEMI
transverters or possibly Elecraft. And you also end up with another really
useful radio as a backup for HF and other purposes at less cost than the 2
DEMI transverters. I've used this arrangement before (minus the automated
relay switching ) I got my tricked out Flex5000. At that time I used the
TS2000 as uplink with a Flex 5000A for downlink wth converters and it
worked great! Stay tuned for exciting articles by Ron Parsons, W5RKN, and
Dave W0DHB in the AMSAT Journal about all this. What I'm doing is a spin
off of their ideas and working with them.

73
Rick, W2JAZ


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From w5rkn at w5rkn.com  Thu Nov 26 13:53:20 2015
From: w5rkn at w5rkn.com (Ronald G. Parsons)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:53:20 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3236.1448531098.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.3236.1448531098.2128.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <34B37908994C44F39D674ECE4BCAF85A@Ron8300PC>

Alan.

Dave, W0DHB and I are in the final stages of AMSAT Journal articles on the 
implementation of a true full-duplex satellite system, in my case, based on 
a FLEX-6500 and a pair of transverters.

It is working very well, supports true full-duplex, and supports SSB and FM 
satellites. Stay tuned.

Ron W5RKN


Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:49:04 -0600
From: Alan <wa4sca at gmail.com>
To: "'Edward R Cole'" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>, <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
Message-ID: <000501d127cb$1aa8ced0$4ffa6c70$@GMAIL.COM>

There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very 
issue right now. Sounds like
all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite 
operation rig.

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA



From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Thu Nov 26 15:32:15 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 15:32:15 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] HM58 active
In-Reply-To: <20151119150900.Horde.wZZSz6HKh4J4Mzr1Ip8C_gp@webmail.satavirtual.org>
References: <CABzOSOrN_gqzPh97mAQiAw-S7Gha0cH4JryjP7Z8iN3K+2WpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20151119123555.Horde.G-pQiEFXmLC1wx_vWUNCEtA@webmail.satavirtual.org>
	<CABzOSOqZykWmPB7suOStUx_jFYob=8L6zOXHiyyN7=qHMD6=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOr-1qwEN1oqy08FT3t+XHA=d8quPvyBH3=JBcVd7mr8CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20151119150900.Horde.wZZSz6HKh4J4Mzr1Ip8C_gp@webmail.satavirtual.org>
Message-ID: <20151126153215.Horde.BeOmy1CGggvU4flRCrCYSlq@webmail.satavirtual.org>

Hi all,

I've become known as a "satellite operator" within my fellow hams from  
the island I come from (CU7). So I've been taking advantage of that  
and try to get them, and others, operating the sats.

I've been helping my brother to setup his interface between the PC and  
his TS2000, and providing some tips, conventions and best practices on  
how to operate. Despite he had operated them many years ago (including  
contacts with the ISS on voice) when he didn't had a PC to help him  
correct the Doppler, he had other ideas on how to do it. Gradually  
he's getting better at it, same as what happened to me these last few  
months.
His call is CU7BC, and I've made 2 contacts with him on XW-2F and I  
know he already worked a CT1 station on his own on FO-29.

There are two other hams interested in sats on his grid, but one is  
not equipped yet, and the other only has FM.
I must confess that I'm puzzled on how someone that is VHF/UHF  
equipped states that is not sat equipped. Getting into any linear bird  
using omnis is easy, and that's what I've been doing so far.

As a bonus, I'm also trying to get HM68 grid active, but the person in  
question is not equipped yet.

So keep you ears sharp for HM58!

73 de Pedro CU2ZG


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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Nov 27 04:06:37 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 04:06:37 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and AnyTone TERMN-8R, full-duplex - report (long)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUfj+sR+fdTUtTuUK1D8OsNi9E7ixHToqmPbWpLSm3VrvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

After previously trying a couple of Wouxun dual-band HTs with AO-85 in the
past few weeks (KG-UV8D, KG-UV9D) on AO-85, I went back to a radio I
briefly tested before the AMSAT Symposium last month: the AnyTone TERMN-8R
2m/70cm FM HT. I didn't have much time to try it out then, but I gave it a
try this afternoon on a 48-degree AO-85 pass over the west coast. I used
the same settings in it that I did with the Wouxun KG-UV9D I tested last
weekend, so I could have a baseline to compare this radio against. I was
not surprised with the results.

The TERMN-8R was briefly on the market in the US earlier this year. This HT
was marketed as the first HT that was certified for use in 3 different FCC-
regulated services (commercial two-way radio governed by FCC Part 90, along
with GMRS and MURS). Its receiver covers much more than the 2m and 70cm
bands - broadcast AM and FM, shortwave (HF), and the VHF air band. The FCC
revoked the TERMN-8R's certification for use in the GMRS and MURS (license-
free 150 MHz VHF) services, and ordered its importer to stop selling this
radio. Since amateur equipment other than RF amplifiers operating below 144
MHz sold in the US does not require FCC certification for amateur use, this
radio is legal to use in this country on the 2m and 70cm ham bands by
licensed radio amateurs when complying with the technical requirements in
FCC Part 97.

Now that the legalities are out of the way, the simple question. Can the
TERMN-8R work AO-85 full-duplex?

YES.

I worked a pass this (Thursday) afternoon around 2337 UTC. This was a pass
with maximum elevation of 48 degrees, a good pass favoring the US west
coast. Keeping AMSAT's recent recommendations in mind for working this
satellite (low-power stations can get through on higher passes), and my own
testing that appears to put the definition of "higher passes" as when AO-85
is at least 20 degrees above the horizon, I had about 7 minutes of this
pass where I should have been able to get through. Using the same settings
I had used with the KG-UV9D last weekend, I was able to hear the satellite
well with narrow FM. I used wide FM on transmit, and I think that seems to
work well with these HTs that don't have the deviation that the HTs from
the traditional ham manufacturers (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu) have.

Here are some key settings I used with the TERMN-8R, which are specific to
each VFO:

Uplink VFO:

T-CDC (01): 67.0HZ
STEP (10): 2.5K
W/N (11): 25K
TX (17): ON
SQL (40): 9

Downlink VFO:

STEP (10): 2.5K
W/N (11): 12.5K
TX (17): OFF
SQL (40): 00

As with the KG-UV8D and KG-UV9D, it does not matter which VFO is used for
transmit and receive. The settings I used were with the upper (A) VFO as my
transmit VFO, and the lower (B) VFO as my receive VFO. This is important
for the TX menu setting, where I disabled transmitting from the receive
VFO. I did not program any memory channels for use with AO-85, as the VFOs
work well for this type of operation. I connected an audio splitter to the
speaker jack, and fed the receive audio to an earpiece and my Sony audio
recorder.

I did not try getting through AO-85 until its elevation was up to about
20 degrees. For my first transmissions as the satellite continued climbing
to its maximum elevation of 48 degrees, I was hearing some noise when I
transmitted that covered up the downlink. This did not last long, as I was
able to hear myself while I transmitted for most of my QSOs. This HT's
receiver is pretty good - a little better than the Wouxun KG-UV8D, but not
as good as the Wouxun KG-UV9D. Using the 2.5 kHz tuning steps on both
uplink and downlink helps a lot. More work for the operator, but the lower-
power stations need all the help they can get, and some of that help is
finer tuning for the uplink signals than you can do with the 5 kHz tuning
steps.

I had a separate station set up in my yard to write an RF recording of this
pass. I used my SDRplay SDR receiver, 8-inch Windows 10 tablet with HDSDR,
and the AMSAT-UK VHF crossed dipole on an 8-foot mast and tripod. I made
sure to press Record in HDSDR, so I had an RF recording. I could tell I was
transmitting with a different radio, but my transmit audio was not horrible
from the TERMN-8R. My transmit audio also sounded OK when I listened to the
recording from my Sony audio recorder. With the occasional fades, there
were times I had audio for a portion of the pass on one recording, but not
the other.

I made 5 QSOs on this pass, with all 5 stations in different parts of
California (KG6NUB and KB5WIA in northern California, three in southern
California - K6FW, N6UK, and KB6LTY). I heard K7TRK in Oregon and N7EC
north of Phoenix on as well, but I did not work these two stations. This
was an orderly pass, stations leaving gaps between transmissions, which
really helps for those using lower transmit power levels. Sawson KG6NUB
was using around 2 watts into an Arrow Yagi and getting through for the
first half of the pass I heard.

I have uploaded the MP3 recording I made from the TERMN-8R, the larger RF
recording I made from HDSDR, and some photos plus a screenshot of how the
pass looked from AmsatDroid Free on my mobile phone, to my Dropbox space
at:

http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/

Look for the folder "20151126-AO85_Fox1A-DM43", and look for the recordings
with file names containing something around 2340 UTC. Photos have file
names with timestamps in local time (7 hours behind UTC), if you want to
take a look at my setup before AO-85 came up from the horizon.

Since I already had the TERMN-8R, it was on my to-do list to try with
AO-85. I'm glad I tried it out, since now I can say there are at least 3
Chinese-made 2m/70cm HTs that can work AO-85 full-duplex. I found that I
could hear myself while transmitting to SO-50 using the TERMN-8R on very
high passes, but in general it is like those Wouxun HTs I previously tried
with AO-85 - don't bother trying to use it full-duplex on SO-50 or
LilacSat-2 (two V/U FM satellites), without having a second radio nearby.
With the TERMN-8R off the market, I wouldn't recommend trying to pick one
up for working AO-85. If you want to try a Chinese-made HT with AO-85 and
work this satellite full-duplex, the KG-UV9D is a better option.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From nj1h at comcast.net  Fri Nov 27 05:47:54 2015
From: nj1h at comcast.net (Bill Bordy, NJ1H )
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 00:47:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FLEX-5000A Radio with RX2 Option and External
 Transverters Full Duplex Satellite Operation Confirmed
In-Reply-To: <001901d127f8$f92b6b40$eb8241c0$@rr.com>
References: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<001901d127f8$f92b6b40$eb8241c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5657EE8A.8020206@comcast.net>

What Mark states is absolutely true. I use my FLEX-5000A SDR with the 
RX2 option for full duplex operations with external transverters. See my 
qrz.com page for information on my satellite equipment.

In addition, I can call CQ,  monitor my CQ frequency and at the same 
time tune the downlink passband for other signals concurrently using the 
MultiRX capability of the PowerSDR software. If I wish, I can direct the 
CQ downlink to one ear and the other receive frequency to the other ear.

I can also view the satellite downlink's passband with the radio's 
panadapter.

I also use the SATPC2 tracking program for computer controlled doppler 
correction with my  FLEX-5000A.

73,
Bill
NJ1H

On 11/25/2015 10:17 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:
> Edward Cole said  "The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex
> radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers but one
> could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex)."
>
> With respect, Sir, this is not accurate.  I have a Flex 5000 with the second
> receiver installed, and absolutely can listen on the second receiver while
> transmitting on the first.   It's a setting under GENERAL->RX2
>
>
> Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
> Greensboro, NC  FM06be
> wd4elg at arrl.net
> http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
>
>
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From steve.w5iem at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 13:01:28 2015
From: steve.w5iem at gmail.com (Steve May)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:01:28 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and AnyTone TERMN-8R,
	full-duplex - report (long)
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUfj+sR+fdTUtTuUK1D8OsNi9E7ixHToqmPbWpLSm3VrvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUfj+sR+fdTUtTuUK1D8OsNi9E7ixHToqmPbWpLSm3VrvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE0P9VeUjBgCrNJG=-gsjravLGhRAKMqtWxkmGULz_KscgyDmA@mail.gmail.com>

Another day, another awesome review by Patrick. Thank you very much for
sharing this information.

Steve, W5IEM

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015, 11:06 PM Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <
amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net> wrote:

Hi!

After previously trying a couple of Wouxun dual-band HTs with AO-85 in the
past few weeks (KG-UV8D, KG-UV9D) on AO-85, I went back to a radio I
briefly tested before the AMSAT Symposium last month: the AnyTone TERMN-8R
2m/70cm FM HT. I didn't have much time to try it out then, but I gave it a
try this afternoon on a 48-degree AO-85 pass over the west coast. I used
the same settings in it that I did with the Wouxun KG-UV9D I tested last
weekend, so I could have a baseline to compare this radio against. I was
not surprised with the results.

From jeff_griffin at comcast.net  Fri Nov 27 13:52:20 2015
From: jeff_griffin at comcast.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:52:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FLEX-5000A Radio with RX2 Option and External
	Transverters Full Duplex Satellite Operation Confirmed
In-Reply-To: <5657EE8A.8020206@comcast.net>
References: <201511252109.tAPL8xec028480@mail42c28.carrierzone.com><001901d127f8$f92b6b40$eb8241c0$@rr.com>
	<5657EE8A.8020206@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <508DA2BE0FF84028BE7F7D77C815D54B@kb2m4PC>

Ed's question remains unanswered about the 6000 series. If Flex made a 
fullduplex option available for the 6700 I would buy one in a minute. Recent 
posts were saying that a fullduplex option is being developed. Maybe the 
more we talk about this Flex will listen :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bill Bordy, NJ1H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 12:47 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] FLEX-5000A Radio with RX2 Option and External 
Transverters Full Duplex Satellite Operation Confirmed

What Mark states is absolutely true. I use my FLEX-5000A SDR with the
RX2 option for full duplex operations with external transverters. See my
qrz.com page for information on my satellite equipment.

In addition, I can call CQ,  monitor my CQ frequency and at the same
time tune the downlink passband for other signals concurrently using the
MultiRX capability of the PowerSDR software. If I wish, I can direct the
CQ downlink to one ear and the other receive frequency to the other ear.

I can also view the satellite downlink's passband with the radio's
panadapter.

I also use the SATPC2 tracking program for computer controlled doppler
correction with my  FLEX-5000A.

73,
Bill
NJ1H

On 11/25/2015 10:17 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:
> Edward Cole said  "The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a 
> duplex
> radio?  Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex.  Some had two receivers but 
> one
> could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex)."
>
> With respect, Sir, this is not accurate.  I have a Flex 5000 with the 
> second
> receiver installed, and absolutely can listen on the second receiver while
> transmitting on the first.   It's a setting under GENERAL->RX2
>
>
> Mark Lunday, WD4ELG
> Greensboro, NC  FM06be
> wd4elg at arrl.net
> http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
>
>


From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Nov 27 14:49:38 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:49:38 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and AnyTone TERMN-8R,
	full-duplex - report (long)
In-Reply-To: <CAE0P9VeUjBgCrNJG=-gsjravLGhRAKMqtWxkmGULz_KscgyDmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUfj+sR+fdTUtTuUK1D8OsNi9E7ixHToqmPbWpLSm3VrvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE0P9VeUjBgCrNJG=-gsjravLGhRAKMqtWxkmGULz_KscgyDmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUdcZ9URyPEGWiWDetUP__NvnVowtrjp4TcCgTu7UQemLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Thanks!

Not only has it been useful to hear the recommendations from
AMSAT on how to work AO-85, I think listing some radios that
can do the job full-duplex is also helpful. Many older radios
(most of which I don't own) should have no problems doing this
on higher passes, along with some newer radios. It is much
better to say "This radio can/can't work AO-85 full-duplex,
and here's why... ", as opposed to making blanket statements
unsupported by any testing - statements previously posted on
this mailing list about some radios, and on other lists and
discussion forums. With the AMSAT-BB archives open to the
public, this information is being archived, and can be picked
up using search engines as well.

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK


On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Steve May <steve.w5iem at gmail.com> wrote:

> Another day, another awesome review by Patrick. Thank you very much for
> sharing this information.
>
> Steve, W5IEM
>
>

From dwarnberg at verizon.net  Fri Nov 27 14:09:36 2015
From: dwarnberg at verizon.net (David)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:09:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex radio for satellites
In-Reply-To: <CADQmrTGU+gRvqsTXUfMAWKp9hTsi=NOzZ-WWw7yafs_iE9krxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQmrTGU+gRvqsTXUfMAWKp9hTsi=NOzZ-WWw7yafs_iE9krxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029e01d1291d$42643970$c72cac50$@net>

FYI... FLEX RADIO's OFFICIAL RESPONSE... the 6000 series radio's..

https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/is-full-duplex-possible-on-
the-6000-series

I can also confirm, on my 6500 running SmartSDR 1.5.1 bottom of screen, 3
selections (TNF CWX and FDX)  FDX toggles full duplex on and off..


" We will be introducing Full Duplex operation in v1.5 which is due out in
September.  I'd like to spend a few minutes talking about the specifics.
Full Duplex will allow you to transmit and receive at the same time, but
there are limitations.  The FLEX-6700 has the most capability in this area
and you will be able to transmit on one antenna and receive on up to two
different antennas at the same time.  When you receive while you are
transmitting, there are a number of important considerations to ensure good
operation.  Here are the considerations:

Isolation and overload: If your transmit energy enters the receiver at
sufficient levels with the preamp off (greater than about 5mW in the
FLEX-6300 and greater than about 10mW in the 6500 and 6700) or with the
preamp on (generally subtract the gain of the preamp from the provided
overload point), the radio receiver will overload.  The FLEX-6000 Signature
Series radios have a "soft overload" where they will show signs of an
overload before going into a complete overload some 5-10dB later.  The key
sign of a soft overload are numerous spurs in the panadapter.  There is
40-100dB of isolation inherent in the radio itself.  This will be added to
the isolation between your antennas and the total must be below the radio
overload point.  More details will be provided, but here's a math example:

Transmitter: 100W = +50dBm
Overload on FLEX-6700 = +9dBm
Isolation from ANT1 to RXA: 90dB
Antenna isolation (at your shack): 40dB

+50 - 90 - 40 = -80dBm ... well below the +9dBm limit (89dB margin)

Transmitter: 100W = +50dBm
Overload on FLEX-6300 with 20dB preamp on: +7dBm - 20 = -13dBm
Isolation from ANT1 to ANT2: 40dB
Antenna isolation (at your shack): 30dB

+50 - 30 - 30 = -10dBm ... we are 3dB above the overload with the preamp on 

We'll show you how to run these calculations, but you can see there is a
wide range of possibilities so you will need to do a little math to
determine if everything will work for you.  Bandpass filters may also add
another 30dB or so of isolation of you are transmitting on one band and
receiving on another if your antenna selections are correct.

The radio will also protect itself if you put too much energy in the
receiver port and the radio will disconnect the antenna and alert you.

Receiver must be on different frequency from transmitter: The delay that
occurs during filtering is guaranteed to drive someone mad if the
transmitter and receiver are on the same frequency.  For this reason, we
mute the slice that you are transmitting on so you will not hear your own
signal.  This may seem counter intuitive at first, but it should fit most
use cases.  For example, if you are chasing DX, you can create two slices, a
RX slice on the DX and a TX slice where you will TX up (generally) and when
you transmit, you can still hear the DX frequency.  You will not hear under
your current transmit signal, unless you are in QSK in which case you will
hear in-between your transmissions.

Antennas: In all cases, you will need two antennas for full duplex.  We will
not be transmitting and receiving on the same antenna.

This is an exciting and new capability for all FLEX-6000 radios, but it will
require a little planning and thought to be sure it will work at your
location.  We hope this will bring hours of new operating fun!

=================

EDIT:
9/17/15 There are a few errors in the calculations above and rather than
just change the text, I'll explain the issue and provide the correct
information.  There are really two paths from the transmitter to the
receiver.  The first path goes from the transmitter to the transmit antenna,
to the receive antenna and into the receiver.  The second path goes from the
transmitter directly to the receiver inside the radio.  It is the latter
path that prevents most manufacturers from offering full duplex.

For the scenarios above, you should always look at the isolation in the
radio AND the isolation outside and take the lower of the two.  

SCENARIO #1
Antenna Path:
Transmitter: 100W = +50dBm
Overload on FLEX-6700 = +9dBm
Antenna isolation (at your shack): 40dB
Receiver Preselector Filters: 20dB (assuming different bands)

+50 - 40 - 20 = -10dBm ... this is acceptable 

Internal path:
Transmitter: 100W = +50dBm
Overload on FLEX-6700 = +9dBm
Isolation from ANT1 to RXA: 90dB

+50 - 90 = -40dBm ... this is also acceptable

So in scenario #1, the configuration will work with full-duplex

SCENARIO #2
Antenna Path:
Transmitter: 100W = +50dBm
Overload on FLEX-6300 with 20dB preamp on: +7dBm - 20 = -13dBm
Antenna isolation (at your shack): 30dB
Receiver Preselector Filters: 0dB (not available in FLEX-6300)

+50 - 30 - 0 = +20dBm ... we are 33dB above the overload with the preamp on.
More antenna isolation is needed

Internal path:
Transmitter: 100W = +50dBm
Overload on FLEX-6300 with 20dB preamp on: +7dBm - 20 = -13dBm
Isolation from ANT1 to ANT2: 40dB

+50 - 40 = +10dBm ... we are 23dB above the overload with the preamp on 

In this case, full duplex may not be run.

More details will be made available in a white paper on Full Duplex and
SO2R.  Hopefully I haven't made too many mistakes in the corrected text!

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Richard Lawn
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:51 AM
To: Amsat BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex radio for satellites

In answer to your questions, yes the Flex 5000A could be fully equipped with
2 rcvrs and the V/U module, however they discontinued it with the release of
their 6000 series radio. For satellites I've used the FT736f,
Ts2000 and ft847 and none compare to the ease of operation and rx quality of
the Flex5000A, which is why I'm holding on to mine.

But you could do what I'm now doing which is to use another radio capable of
V/U transmission on all modes as your uplink radio and use a 6000 series
radio with inexpensive down converters for rx. I then built a USB relay
controlled box that drives antenna switching relays. I found this to be much
cheaper than the other alternative which is to buy DEMI transverters or
possibly Elecraft. And you also end up with another really useful radio as a
backup for HF and other purposes at less cost than the 2 DEMI transverters.
I've used this arrangement before (minus the automated relay switching ) I
got my tricked out Flex5000. At that time I used the
TS2000 as uplink with a Flex 5000A for downlink wth converters and it worked
great! Stay tuned for exciting articles by Ron Parsons, W5RKN, and Dave
W0DHB in the AMSAT Journal about all this. What I'm doing is a spin off of
their ideas and working with them.

73
Rick, W2JAZ


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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Nov 27 17:23:20 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:23:20 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and Puxing PX-UV973,
	full-duplex - report (not so long)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUfYkWHZUJyJtd0dJBdDKBvk2WSstp1HtyC4hWWVkOVRGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Another day, another radio to try on AO-85. I woke up early, and decided to
try another HT on a high AO-85 pass starting at 1350 UTC. I wanted to see
if it could work the satellite full-duplex. The radio, this morning: the
Puxing PX-UV973. After working AO-85 with it this morning, my (low)
expectations were met.

The Puxing PX-UV973 has been on the market a couple of years. It is
supposed to handle cross-band full-duplex operation. This radio is still in
production, and I picked mine up from Amazon for about US$ 78. It is less
expensive than the other radios I have tested so far for full-duplex
operation on AO-85, and it shows.

First, the simple question. Can the PX-UV973 work AO-85 full-duplex?

Yes, more or less.

The radio comes with a duckie antenna, and a 7.4V/1200mAh battery pack. The
battery pack is smaller than the standard packs supplied with the other HTs
I have tested so far. It is also a little bit smaller than the other HTs.
As with the others, I did not program any memory channels to work AO-85. I
used the two VFOs, putting the uplink into the upper (A) VFO, and the
downlink into the lower (B) VFO. Uplink and downlink can be done from
either VFO.

I used these VFO-specific settings with this radio, similar to what I have
been using with the other HTs:

Uplink VFO:

SQL (005): 9
N/W (014): WIDE
T-CDC? (019): 67.0
STEP ? (020): 2.50

Downlink VFO:

SQL (005): 0
N/W (014): NARROW
STEP ? (020): 2.50

Another setting I had to enable for full-duplex operation was:

DUPLEX (031): ON

With the smaller tuning steps, I could get the AO-85 downlink lined up
easily on my PX-UV973. It was about 5 minutes into the pass before I made
my first QSO, with Glenn AA5PK in west Texas. A couple of minutes later, I
made another quick QSO with Ed N7EC north of the Phoenix area. The receive
audio while I transmitted was not really good - despite the satellite's
elevation heading up to 56 degrees at the midpoint of the pass. The HT was
able to operate full-duplex, but the other HTs I have tested with AO-85
have done much better. I could still hear myself through AO-85 a couple of
minutes after these QSOs, until the trees in a neighbor's yard started to
make it tougher to hear. The CW beacon from XW-2F was also starting to
overlap with the AO-85 downlink, also.

Using my SDR receive setup (SDRplay receiver, HDSDR on an 8-inch Windows 10
tablet, AMSAT-UK VHF crossed dipole), my transmitted audio sounded OK. Not
loud, but it was fine - similar to what I've heard from the other Chinese-
made HTs I have tested. I have uploaded the audio recording I made from the
HT, the RF recording from the SDR receive setup, and some photos, to my
Dropbox space. You can get those files at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ - look
for the folder "20151127-AO85_Fox1A_XW2F-DM43". I also heard XW-2F near the
end of the AO-85 pass, and I let HDSDR continue writing the RF recording to
cover XW-2F until its LOS.

Since the PX-UV973 has been on the market for a couple of years, I did not
have high expectations for it working AO-85 full-duplex. I was not
surprised to see that it was a poor performer. If I had to rank this with
the other 3 Chinese-made HTs I previously tested, this one would be at the
bottom of the list by default:

1. Wouxun KG-UV9D
2. AnyTone TERMN-8R
3. Wouxun KG-UV8D
4. Puxing PX-UV973

Don't be drawn in by the low price of the PX-UV973. If you already have it,
it can be used as one radio of a two-radio setup, probably as the uplink
radio. Or use it for terrestrial repeaters, where it would probably serve
that purpose adequately. I now understand why one dealer was hesitant to
offer an opinion about this radio's performance for FM satellite work, when
I asked about it early last year.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Nov 27 19:46:41 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:46:41 -0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex radio for satellites
Message-ID: <201511271946.tARJkgG7010792@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I guess I should reply to comments by several:

When I investigated the Flex-5000 when it first came out, there was 
no U/V transverter available and no duplex Rx function.  I contacted 
them regarding that and also about their second Rx regarding another 
project (eme) which does not concern satellite users.  After 
consideration over a couple years I decided on the Elecraft K3/10.  I 
still had my FT-847 and FT-817 at that point.

Apparently,Flex subsequently added duplex operation and came out with 
V/U transverter for the 5000.  So maybe you can find a used one if 
building a satellite station.

Now addressing Rick's assertion that one can save money buying a Flex 
6000 series radio coupled with Rx downconverter and buying another 
VHF/UHF capable radio as transmitter.

I checked the prices on new Flex:
6300 ... $2399
6500 ... $4099
6700 ... $7199

Not sure where you find VHF or UHF Rx converters these days.  price ...?
One of the used IC251or 271 (451 or 471) could be used but you would 
need two to cover both 144 and 432
Or buy a used IC910, FT-847, or TS2000 (but then you do not need the Flex).

A couple FT-817 with amplifiers would be cheaper.

Compare with Elecraft:
K3s/10 ... $2099
K3s/100 ... $2649
KX3 ... $899
2M transverter for KX3 ...$199

DEMI transverters:
L144-28 ... $479
L432-28 ... $499

Cheapest Elecraft combo:
KX3-2M = $1099
KX3+L432-48 = $1398
total ... $2497

or my proposed sat station:
KX3-2M = $1099
KX3s/10+L144-28 = $2598
total ... $3697

both dual Elecraft sat combos are less than a Flex6500.

Of course if you also want mode VU then you need a modest power 2m linear.
I have RF Concepts 2-30 linear which produces 30w for 2w 
input.  Granted they are rare to find these days but you can 
substitute the Mirage equivalent.

Of course if Flex6700 will have full duplex with second Rx all you 
need is VHF/UHF amplifiers.

I'll leave the comparing to the reader.

In my case I have already voted with my dollars:
K3/10 (bought in 2010)
KX3-2M (bought in 2012)
L144-28HP (50w)
L222-28
L432-28 (with Apol synth)
1296-28H2 (with A32 synth)
3400-144
10368-144
[no you don't want to total that] ;-)

Currently, I mostly do eme:
144: 4x M2 2mXP20 yagis + 8877 PA
1296: 4.9m dish + W6PQL 150w PA
soon:
3400: 4.9m dish + 50w Toshiba PA
50: 6-elem yagi + 1000w Harris PA

73, Ed - KL7UW
still have all my AO-40 antennas and mw gear.


------------------
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex radio for satellites

In answer to your questions, yes the Flex 5000A could be fully equipped with
2 rcvrs and the V/U module, however they discontinued it with the release of
their 6000 series radio. For satellites I've used the FT736f,
Ts2000 and ft847 and none compare to the ease of operation and rx quality of
the Flex5000A, which is why I'm holding on to mine.

But you could do what I'm now doing which is to use another radio capable of
V/U transmission on all modes as your uplink radio and use a 6000 series
radio with inexpensive down converters for rx. I then built a USB relay
controlled box that drives antenna switching relays. I found this to be much
cheaper than the other alternative which is to buy DEMI transverters or
possibly Elecraft. And you also end up with another really useful radio as a
backup for HF and other purposes at less cost than the 2 DEMI transverters.
I've used this arrangement before (minus the automated relay switching ) I
got my tricked out Flex5000. At that time I used the
TS2000 as uplink with a Flex 5000A for downlink wth converters and it worked
great! Stay tuned for exciting articles by Ron Parsons, W5RKN, and Dave
W0DHB in the AMSAT Journal about all this. What I'm doing is a spin off of
their ideas and working with them.

73
Rick, W2JAZ


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From kk5do at arrl.net  Fri Nov 27 20:25:49 2015
From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:25:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] BaoFeng BF-F8HP on amazon for black friday
References: <1302082988.10908368.1448655949373.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1302082988.10908368.1448655949373.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 I just happened to notice this on amazon.com for their black Friday. I do not know if it is a good buy or not. BaoFeng BF-F8HP 8-Watt Dual Band Two-Way Radio (136-174Mhz VHF & 400-520Mhz UHF) Includes Full Kit with Large Battery?? $47
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MAULSOK?ref_=gb1h_tit_m-3_2622_dbb908ff&smid=AA3MGRC7F9EI2
73...bruce

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sat Nov 28 01:25:49 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:25:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 reboots
Message-ID: <021301d1297b$b6c3b350$244b19f0$@com>

Earlier this evening I listened to a pass of AO-85 about 2235UTC and the IHU
was rebooting repeatedly. You can tell when this happens by the short tone
it emits, just before it drops to carrier operated relay (COR) mode. If this
hasn't cleared on its own by the next passes in the early AM over the East
Coast, we'll try to reset it by command. In the meantime, any reports or
telemetry submitted would be wonderful.

 

73, Drew KO4MA

AMSAT-VP Operations


From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sat Nov 28 01:31:39 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:31:39 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] IO-86 repeater and APRS test
Message-ID: <021801d1297c$87aed300$970c7900$@com>

A post in the AMSAT-ID Facebook group indicates IO-86 will be open in
repeater and APRS modes from 0200-0800UTC 11/28/2015 (that's late tonight
and tomorrow morning in the US)

 

If you are close enough to the equator, roughly +/- 30 latitude, take a
listen on 145.825 for APRS, or 145.880 up, 435.880 down, PL 88.5 for the
repeater.

 

73, Drew KO4MA


From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 03:04:45 2015
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:04:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYs0_LHEbHDwM2hg=7bTuZ9VyoF2xrH069xs3RXfeqB9nA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I managed to make 2 contacts on this evenings passes with WN9M and KD7YZ on
the PSK31 transponder. The first contact was not so easy due to RX fades.
The second contact with much easy with less RX fades. I don't usually hear
more than 1 station on if any on any pass and dont see alot of reception
reports on the oscar status webpage, so more people should give it a try!
Its very rewarding. And maybe Bob should put the bird on a schedule where
it switches between the digipeater and PSK31. As far as I can tell from the
telemetry, its surviving eclipses fine, but why wear down the battery with
both transponders on? See you on NO-84.

KE8AKW, Nick

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sat Nov 28 03:34:29 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:34:29 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 reboots
In-Reply-To: <021301d1297b$b6c3b350$244b19f0$@com>
References: <021301d1297b$b6c3b350$244b19f0$@com>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUf7xVR3ZW9-GVyOFY+xMx1QgHWYJL1-ugp=yKMV7wMiTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Drew,

I was working the AO-85 pass this afternoon where you heard the multiple
resets. While I was using my TH-D72A HT and Elk log periodic to make some
QSOs, I was making an RF recording with my SDRplay SDR receiver, HDSDR, and
the AMSAT-UK VHF crossed dipole. I have uploaded the telemetry I received
from that pass to the AMSAT server, and have posted files related to that
pass (MP3 with audio I recorded from the HT, big WAV file with the RF
recording from HDSDR, and other files) to my Dropbox space at:

http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/

(Look for the folder "20151127-AO85_Fox1A-DM43").

I observed what appears to be a bunch of resets from about halfway into the
pass until my LOS. Here's what I was seeing (times are UTC, and I sync'd
the tablet's clock with a time server a few minutes before this pass):

22:31:40 - Telemetry off
22:32:09 - Telemetry on
22:32:37 - Telemetry off
22:33:07 - Telemetry on
22:33:17 - Telemetry off
22:33:45 - Telemetry on
22:34:00 - Telemetry off
22:34:20 - Telemetry on
22:34:29 - Telemetry off
22:35:00 - Downlink on after long pause, telemetry off
22:35:28 - Downlink on, telemetry off
22:35:49 - Telemetry on
22:35:58 - Telemetry off
22:36:21 - Telemetry on
22:36:27 - Telemetry off
22:36:52 - Telemetry on
22:36:58 - Telemetry off
22:37:21 - Telemetry on
22:37:27 - Telemetry off
22:37:50 - Telemetry on
22:37:56 - Telemetry off, and I didn't see it switch on again before my LOS

I worked the next pass after this one, around 0008-0019 UTC. I don't recall
seeing anything that looked like telemetry coming from the satellite, and
had a harder time getting through the repeater - even at 50 watts. I will
upload the audio (MP3) and RF (big WAV) recordings to my Dropbox space, in
a folder "20151128-AO85_Fox1A-DM43".

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK




On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner <
glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Earlier this evening I listened to a pass of AO-85 about 2235UTC and the
> IHU
> was rebooting repeatedly. You can tell when this happens by the short tone
> it emits, just before it drops to carrier operated relay (COR) mode. If
> this
> hasn't cleared on its own by the next passes in the early AM over the East
> Coast, we'll try to reset it by command. In the meantime, any reports or
> telemetry submitted would be wonderful.
>
>
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> AMSAT-VP Operations
>

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sat Nov 28 05:24:49 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:24:49 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and TH-D72A, full-duplex? Yes, of course!
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUesOuHiYtEwm-GS1oTWehcJ17E=jrYSrnRaFJQmQp2V9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I have been trying some Chinese-made dual-band HTs, seeing how well they
work with AO-85 full-duplex. I have tried 4 of those radios recently, and
have posted my observations in a series of messages here on the AMSAT-BB
list. Earlier this afternoon, I did the same with a non-Chinese HT, the
Kenwood TH-D72A. I had no concerns about this radio's ability to work AO-85
full-duplex, but I wanted to try it and confirm this for myself.

I have had my TH-D72A since it went on sale at the local HRO store in late
2010. Over the past (almost) 5 years, I have upgraded its firmware, used it
to make QSOs on various FM and packet/APRS satellites, and used it for APRS
on my road trips. It's a great radio, although it is among the most
expensive 2m/70cm FM HTs in current production. This was a reason why I
have been interested in trying other HTs, seeing if there were any
alternatives to the TH-D72A for full-duplex operation on AO-85 and the
other upcoming Fox-1 satellites - and especially if they cost less than the
TH-D72A.

OK, the obligatory question and answer. Can the TH-D72A work AO-85 full-
duplex?

YES!

Unlike with the Chinese-made HTs, the TH-D72A does not have the 2.5 kHz
tuning step. Since the TH-D72A doesn't appear to have the sharp receive
filtering I have seen with the Chinese-made HTs, this is not an issue. I
can leave the TH-D72A's downlink VFO on 145.980 MHz for almost the entire
pass, with a quick change to the next lower tuning step (145.975 MHz) for
the last few minutes of the pass. I did not use narrow FM on either VFO
for this pass. Based on what I saw with the other HTs, I would only
consider using narrow FM on the downlink VFO if the receive audio sounded
bad. The downlink audio sounded OK in "normal" FM today. Another difference
from the Chinese-made HTs is that the uplink VFO must be VFO B (the lower
VFO) on the TH-D72A. This is the only way to activate the DUP function,
which allows the HT to receive on VFO A while transmitting on VFO B, when
these frequencies are in different bands.

Other commonly used settings like transmitting the 67.0 Hz CTCSS tone from
VFO B, tighten the squelch on VFO B while opening the squelch on VFO A,
and balancing the audio so you only hear VFO A (menu 120) made it easy to
know I am only hearing audio from the downlink VFO (VFO A). If needed, I
could have set the downlink VFO (VFO A) to receive in narrow FM (NFM) with
menu setting 131, while transmitting from VFO B in "normal" FM (FM).

I used an audio splitter in the TH-D72A's speaker jack, feeding audio to an
earpiece and my Sony audio recorder. This recording is an MP3 file, which I
put in my Dropbox space along with a larger WAV file (RF recording from
HDSDR) and other files related to this pass. These files are available from
my Dropbox space at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ (look for the folder named
"20151127-AO85_Fox1A-DM43"). This way, anyone can compare the recordings
from this radio against the other recordings I've posted from testing the
other Chinese-made HTs.

The AO-85 pass this afternoon around 2226-2240 UTC had a series of resets,
but I was able to complete 3 QSOs - AA5PK in west Texas, K8YSE/7 not far
from me in the Phoenix area, and VE6SMI in Alberta. I had no problems
hearing myself while transmitting, and my transmit audio sounded good -
from the TH-D72A, and from my SDR receive setup I had in my yard (SDRplay
SDR receiver, HDSDR on an 8-inch Windows 10 tablet, AMSAT-UK VHF crossed
dipole on an 8-foot mast and tripod).

The fact I could use a TH-D72A to work AO-85 is no surprise to me. Even
with having to quickly switch VFOs to adjust the downlink frequency, then
switching back to the uplink VFO before transmitting, is not a problem.
None of the HTs I have tested recently have separate knobs for volume,
squelch, and tuning for each VFO. This radio would be number 1 on my list
of HTs I have used to work AO-85 full-duplex, going on top of all of the
Chinese-made HTs I have tried in the past few weeks.

With the TH-D72A, I have a radio capable of working V/U and U/V FM
satellites full-duplex. I also have a radio capable of packet and APRS, and
I have used mine to make packet QSOs through the ISS, NO-44, and NO-84 when
its packet/APRS digipeater was active earlier this year. It is nice to have
at least two options for HTs in current production that can work AO-85
full-duplex (TH-D72A, Wouxun KG-UV9D), along with many other HTs that
aren't in production but are also capable of working satellites like AO-85
full-duplex.

Now, it's time to find my old Icom IC-W32A in my garage, and maybe even an
Alinco DJ-G7T I think I still have. I'm not worried about the IC-W32A and
its ability to work AO-85 full-duplex, as it handled the ISS cross-band
U/V repeater fine in the mid- to late-2000s. It would be interesting to
try the DJ-G7T on AO-85. The DJ-G7T was a very poor performer when I tried
to use it to work AO-27 and AO-51 full-duplex, satellites with stronger
downlinks than SO-50. If I find these radios and can try them on AO-85
passes, I'll post reports for each of them.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From jimlist at zoho.com  Sat Nov 28 10:18:21 2015
From: jimlist at zoho.com (Jim Heck G3WGM)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:18:21 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-73/FUNcube mode switch
In-Reply-To: <021301d1297b$b6c3b350$244b19f0$@com>
References: <021301d1297b$b6c3b350$244b19f0$@com>
Message-ID: <F7994A5CF70F460FB63391AE14AC6EB5@jimPC2>

Hi Folks,

  I have just switched AO-73/FUNcube into continuous transponder mode. I 
apologise for not doing this at the normal time (ie yesterday evening). This 
was not possible due to reasons beyond my control.

  As normal, plan is to switch back to auto eclipse mode on Sunday pm UTC.

Enjoy

73s Jim G3WGM



From electricity440 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 10:56:07 2015
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler Fennell)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:56:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and Puxing PX-UV973,
	full-duplex - report (not so long)
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUfYkWHZUJyJtd0dJBdDKBvk2WSstp1HtyC4hWWVkOVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUfYkWHZUJyJtd0dJBdDKBvk2WSstp1HtyC4hWWVkOVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BBD469B-5203-4266-8F8D-AE69A844F3D9@gmail.com>

Thanks for that information. 

I am looking into the woxun radios, and see the kv9d at the top of your rank.

Is this an adequate radio for full duplex satellite operation, how far does it fall behind the American radios?

73
Skyler kd0whb

> On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Another day, another radio to try on AO-85. I woke up early, and decided to
> try another HT on a high AO-85 pass starting at 1350 UTC. I wanted to see
> if it could work the satellite full-duplex. The radio, this morning: the
> Puxing PX-UV973. After working AO-85 with it this morning, my (low)
> expectations were met.
> 
> The Puxing PX-UV973 has been on the market a couple of years. It is
> supposed to handle cross-band full-duplex operation. This radio is still in
> production, and I picked mine up from Amazon for about US$ 78. It is less
> expensive than the other radios I have tested so far for full-duplex
> operation on AO-85, and it shows.
> 
> First, the simple question. Can the PX-UV973 work AO-85 full-duplex?
> 
> Yes, more or less.
> 
> The radio comes with a duckie antenna, and a 7.4V/1200mAh battery pack. The
> battery pack is smaller than the standard packs supplied with the other HTs
> I have tested so far. It is also a little bit smaller than the other HTs.
> As with the others, I did not program any memory channels to work AO-85. I
> used the two VFOs, putting the uplink into the upper (A) VFO, and the
> downlink into the lower (B) VFO. Uplink and downlink can be done from
> either VFO.
> 
> I used these VFO-specific settings with this radio, similar to what I have
> been using with the other HTs:
> 
> Uplink VFO:
> 
> SQL (005): 9
> N/W (014): WIDE
> T-CDC? (019): 67.0
> STEP ? (020): 2.50
> 
> Downlink VFO:
> 
> SQL (005): 0
> N/W (014): NARROW
> STEP ? (020): 2.50
> 
> Another setting I had to enable for full-duplex operation was:
> 
> DUPLEX (031): ON
> 
> With the smaller tuning steps, I could get the AO-85 downlink lined up
> easily on my PX-UV973. It was about 5 minutes into the pass before I made
> my first QSO, with Glenn AA5PK in west Texas. A couple of minutes later, I
> made another quick QSO with Ed N7EC north of the Phoenix area. The receive
> audio while I transmitted was not really good - despite the satellite's
> elevation heading up to 56 degrees at the midpoint of the pass. The HT was
> able to operate full-duplex, but the other HTs I have tested with AO-85
> have done much better. I could still hear myself through AO-85 a couple of
> minutes after these QSOs, until the trees in a neighbor's yard started to
> make it tougher to hear. The CW beacon from XW-2F was also starting to
> overlap with the AO-85 downlink, also.
> 
> Using my SDR receive setup (SDRplay receiver, HDSDR on an 8-inch Windows 10
> tablet, AMSAT-UK VHF crossed dipole), my transmitted audio sounded OK. Not
> loud, but it was fine - similar to what I've heard from the other Chinese-
> made HTs I have tested. I have uploaded the audio recording I made from the
> HT, the RF recording from the SDR receive setup, and some photos, to my
> Dropbox space. You can get those files at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ - look
> for the folder "20151127-AO85_Fox1A_XW2F-DM43". I also heard XW-2F near the
> end of the AO-85 pass, and I let HDSDR continue writing the RF recording to
> cover XW-2F until its LOS.
> 
> Since the PX-UV973 has been on the market for a couple of years, I did not
> have high expectations for it working AO-85 full-duplex. I was not
> surprised to see that it was a poor performer. If I had to rank this with
> the other 3 Chinese-made HTs I previously tested, this one would be at the
> bottom of the list by default:
> 
> 1. Wouxun KG-UV9D
> 2. AnyTone TERMN-8R
> 3. Wouxun KG-UV8D
> 4. Puxing PX-UV973
> 
> Don't be drawn in by the low price of the PX-UV973. If you already have it,
> it can be used as one radio of a two-radio setup, probably as the uplink
> radio. Or use it for terrestrial repeaters, where it would probably serve
> that purpose adequately. I now understand why one dealer was hesitant to
> offer an opinion about this radio's performance for FM satellite work, when
> I asked about it early last year.
> 
> 73!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @WD9EWK
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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sat Nov 28 16:05:34 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:05:34 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and Puxing PX-UV973,
 full-duplex - report (not so long)
In-Reply-To: <3BBD469B-5203-4266-8F8D-AE69A844F3D9@gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUfYkWHZUJyJtd0dJBdDKBvk2WSstp1HtyC4hWWVkOVRGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3BBD469B-5203-4266-8F8D-AE69A844F3D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUetEtj=W7QW1rsarrVHRvEJfuBjr1bVtNsAVmC_FaOk8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Skyler!

As I have been writing, these Chinese-made HTs can work
AO-85 full-duplex. They aren't able to do that with SO-50
or LilacSat-2, due to the 2m transmitter desensing the
70cm receiver. As I also wrote last night, the Kenwood
TH-D72A (not an "American" radio; it's made in Japan) does
better than the KG-UV9D, but for AO-85 you could go with
either radio. One advantage with the KG-UV9D is its price -
less than $200 at most stores, compared with over $400 for
the TH-D72A.

If you want to hear how I was hearing AO-85 with each of
those radios, go back through my posts and visit my
Dropbox space. Look for the MP3 files in each folder. That
recording came from whatever radio I was using to work the
pass. I put an audio splitter into the HT's speaker jack,
and then fed audio to a small recorder and an earpiece.
I wanted to have a record of what the radio heard, along
with what a separate receiver (my SDR setup) heard from
the satellite. You can play back those large WAV files if
you download software like HDSDR, even if you don't have
an SDR receiver or dongle.

For SO-50 and LilacSat-2, you could use the radio you
already have to transmit to those satellites, and a KG-UV9D
as the receiver, to make a full-duplex station for those
two satellites. You could also program a group of memory
channels for each of these satellites, but full-duplex
operation is the way to go.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK



On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Skyler Fennell <electricity440 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for that information.
>
> I am looking into the woxun radios, and see the kv9d at the top of your
> rank.
>
> Is this an adequate radio for full duplex satellite operation, how far
> does it fall behind the American radios?
>
> 73
> Skyler kd0whb
>
>

From jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Nov 29 01:41:02 2015
From: jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com (Jack Colson)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:41:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-73 info
Message-ID: <58C6C498-1F5F-435C-BA3E-8CD7EAA2C67C@tampabay.rr.com>

Where does one find current info about AO-73?

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sun Nov 29 01:50:13 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:50:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-73 info
In-Reply-To: <58C6C498-1F5F-435C-BA3E-8CD7EAA2C67C@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <58C6C498-1F5F-435C-BA3E-8CD7EAA2C67C@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1A04A00B-B68B-4CFA-AE14-566F045C90D0@mindspring.com>

http://amsat-uk.org/funcube/funcube-cubesat/ is a good start

73, Drew KO4MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Jack Colson <jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Where does one find current info about AO-73?
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From mccardelm at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 01:59:55 2015
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:59:55 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-333 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CAM5+souFxA6VNCOA8QB_jBGOQ0Ca-P3fLDN-8ay7=fGFue0GNA@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-333

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* Nov/Dec Edition of AMSAT Journal Sent to Printer
* March 2016 Activation of St. Pierre & Miquelon
* 2016 High-Altitude Student Platform Opportunity
* ARISS Commemorative Events in the Planning
* S7 Sao Tome and Principe Dxpedition Includes LEO Satellites
* ARISS News
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-333
ANS-333 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 333
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
[MONTH DAY, YEAR]
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-333



Nov/Dec Edition of AMSAT Journal Sent to Printer

AMSAT Journal editor Joe Kornowski, KB6IGK, reports that the
November-December editon of the Journal has been sent to to the
printers. Expect delivery mid to late December.

This is Kornowski's first Journal since accepting the Editorial post
last October. The atricles are well done and ?meaty? with lots of
information.  The overall appearance looks great.  There is much here
for every AMSAT member to enjoy.

The line up of articles include:
AMSAT Announcements

Apogee View, Barry Baines,  WD4ASW,

Engineering Update, by Jerry Buxton, N0JY

Fox-1 Satellite Telemetry Part 1: On the Satellite by Burns Fisher,
W2BFJ

A Raspberry Pi Net Server/Client for Antenna Rotor by Tom Doyle, W9KE

Dual Band Low Noise Amplifier for 2 Meters and 70 Centimeters, by
Jim Kocsis, WA9PYH

ARISS ?Out of This World? Update by Frank Bauer, KA3HDO

Close Encounters of the Law Enforcement Kind by Patrick Stoddard,
WD9EWK/VA7EWK

On the Grids: Working the United States/Mexico Border by Clayton L.
Coleman, W5PFG

[ANS thanks Joseph KB6IGK for the above information]


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March 2016 Activation of St. Pierre & Miquelon

Eric, KV1J, will once again be operating from the Island of Miquelon
(NA-032, DIFO FP-002, WLOTA 1417, Grid GN17) as FP/KV1J between March
16-29th (2016). Activity will be on 160-10 meters using CW, SSB and
RTTY (but primarily SSB and RTTY). He will generally be on the
highest frequency band that is open (favoring 12/10m). He will be
active in the Russian DX and BARTG RTTY Contests (March 19-20th).
Also, look for him to be in the CQWW WPX SSB Contest (March 26-27th)
as a Single-Op/All-Band/Assisted entry. QSL via KV1J, direct or by
the Bureau. Also eQSL and LoTW. For more details and updates, check
out his Web page at:
http://www.kv1j.com/fp/Mar16.html

PLEASE NOTE:
Eric mentions, "I will also be on the analog Satellites when the WX
is good enough to operate from outside."

[ANS thanks Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 1241 for the above information]


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2016 High-Altitude Student Platform Opportunity

The Louisiana Space Grant Consortium, or LaSPACE, is accepting
applications from students at U.S. colleges and universities who want
to send experiments to the edge of space on a high-flying scientific
balloon.

The annual project, supported by the NASA Balloon Program Office and
LaSPACE, provides near-space access for 12 undergraduate and graduate
student experiments to be carried by a NASA high-altitude research
balloon. The flights typically last 15 to 20 hours and reach an
altitude of 23 miles.
Experiments may include compact satellites or prototypes.

The experiments are flown aboard the High-Altitude Student Platform,
or HASP, a balloon-born instrument stack launched from the Columbia
Scientific Balloon Facility's remote site in Fort Sumner, New Mexico.
The goals of the project are to provide a space test platform to
encourage student researchand stimulate the development of student
satellite payloads and other space-engineering products.

HASP seeks to enhance the technical skills and research abilities of
students in critical science, technology, engineering and mathematics
disciplines.

The deadline for applications is Dec. 18, 2015.

For application information and technical details about the program,
visit
http://laspace.lsu.edu/hasp.

Questions about the High-Altitude Student Platform opportunity
should be directed to T. Gregory Guzik at
guzik (at) phunds.phys.lsu.edu.

[ANS thanks NASA Education Express Message -- Nov. 25, 2015 for the
above information]


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ARISS Commemorative Events in the Planning

Over the next couple months, ARISS will be celebrating its 15th
anniversary of continuous operations on the ISS. On November 13, 2000
the crew conducted their first ham radio contacts on ISS and on
December 21, 2000 ARISS conducted their first school contact with the
Burbank School in Burbank, Illinois.

An SSTV commemoration of these historic events is tentatively planned for
mid to late December. It is possible that the transmission mode will be P120
instead of the P180 mode used in the past. This would allow for more
pictures to be transmitted per pass.

Because preparations are not final it is suggested that you stay tuned to
the AMSAT-BB and the AMSAT and ARISS web site for the latest information on
this event and others that ARISS plans to conduct over the next few months

[ANS thanks ARISS for the above information]


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S7 Sao Tome and Principe Dxpedition Includes LEO Satellites

S7, SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE. Operators Lee/WW2DX, Ray/W2RE and
Pat/N2IEN will be active as S9TM from Praia between November 28th and
December 1st.

The team is planning on taking a WRTC tri-band yagi for 10/15/20 as
well as a OCF for the lower bands. They will have an Expert 1.3K amp
with them for that station. The second station will be K3/KPA500 that
will be used on the 30/17/12m bands. A third station will be setup
for LEO satellites and they are going to attempt 2m EME, but this is
new territory for this group so don't set expectations too high. They
will be posting to Twitter
https://twitter.com/@ww2dx>
and possible live streaming using periscope.

QSL via LoTW and paper cards to NR6M.

[ANS thanks Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 1242 for the above information]


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ARISS News

+ A Successful contact was made between Scuola Media Statale ?G.
Marconi?, Soleto, Lecce, Italy and Astronaut Kimiya Yui KG5BPH using
Callsign NA1SS. The contact began 2015-11-23 09:21 UTC and lasted
about nine and a half minutes. Contact was telebridged via VK4KHZ.
ARISS Mentor was IK?WGF.

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-26  01:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

Dragonskolan, Ume?, Sweden, telebridge via VE4ISS
The  ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is  Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS
Contact was not successful: Wed 2015-11-25 09:44:25  UTC 78 deg
ARISS is working to determine what happened.

Nanasawa  Kibounooka Elementary School, Atsugi, Japan, direct via
8N1NKSG
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Kimiya  Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-12-02 09:33:51 UTC 61  deg

Yayoi Elementary School, Yatomi, Japan, direct via 8N2YAYOI
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Fri 2015-12-04 09:25:46  UTC 57 deg

Ingushetia, Russia, direct via TBD
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be RS?ISS
The scheduled astronaut is  Sergey Volkov RU3DIS
Contact is a go for: Sat 2015-12-05 16:25 UTC

>From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational
Segment (USOS) hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during
this period will be conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

Stay tuned to the AMSAT-BB, The AMSAT website {www.asmat.org) and
the ARISS website (www.ariss.org) for information on ARISS
commemorative events celebrating 15 years of Amateur Radio on the ISS.

[ANS thanks ARISS, Charlie AJ9N and David AA4KN for the above
information]


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Satellite Shorts From All Over

Eduardo Erlemann PY2RN published a Panoramic view of AO-7
transponder, using  FCDP+ for RX and TS-2000 for TX. Although he was
late on he bird after 1/2 pass that started at 18:40 UTC, forgot to
swap SDR# IQ in the first moment.
Max elevation was 64deg TX power 5 Watts all the time and RHCP most
of the time.  About 2 min before end of recording it is possible to
hear what he believes is a CU station calling.

Find the recording at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCq0WaEZ9g8&feature=youtu.be

[ANS thank Eduardo PY2RN for the above information]


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/EX

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Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
EMike McCardel, KC8YLD
kc8yld at amsat dot org

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sun Nov 29 03:21:22 2015
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:21:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-73 info
In-Reply-To: <569576C3-A68B-4EDA-8297-F9F50D4D0930@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <58C6C498-1F5F-435C-BA3E-8CD7EAA2C67C@tampabay.rr.com>
	<1A04A00B-B68B-4CFA-AE14-566F045C90D0@mindspring.com>
	<569576C3-A68B-4EDA-8297-F9F50D4D0930@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DBCDBF10-20A8-4577-8BF9-3D81F7BA8196@mindspring.com>

The AO-73 transponder is on whenever the satellite is in eclipse, and usually continuously during the weekends. An AMSAT-UK command station usually announces the weekend mode change via AMSAT-bb and their Twitter account.

The wideband noise you hear is likely the gmsk downlink from xw-2f. Look at http://www.amsat.org/?p=4512 and the links contained within that post. There is an active transponder aboard as well.

The -bb archives were moved in 2009. Links to subscribe and the later archives are at http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=2348

73, Drew KO4MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Jack Colson <jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Andrew I was looking to go beyond that page.  It seems like there is an operating schedule of some sort, also I hear some relatively wideband data or whatever around 145.960 and having a bandwidth of about 10 KHz.  It also seems like the transponder is off for part of passes that are viewed here in EL88 and then comes on for a short bit then gone.  I am curious as to what others are experiencing?
> 73 and thank you.
> Jack, W3TMZ (I have made a few contacts but with the fast doppler shift one needs more hands.)
> 
> At one time on AMSAT-bb you could find current info, now all is see is the archives from 2009 and back.
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> 
>> http://amsat-uk.org/funcube/funcube-cubesat/ is a good start
>> 
>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Jack Colson <jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where does one find current info about AO-73?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> 

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Sun Nov 29 11:02:22 2015
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 10:02:22 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50 12:15 UTC
Message-ID: <565ADB3E.7050903@dutrasousa.name>

Hi all,

For those waking up early on a Sunday over the East Coast, I'll be on
SO-50 around 12:15 UTC for those willing to log a FM contact to Europe.

73 de Pedro CU2ZG

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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Sun Nov 29 06:24:29 2015
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 06:24:29 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 and Wouxun KG-UV8D, full-duplex - report (long)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcF8JE1N2tRPZ_ASp9OEX=JpOwLENRu74i-5kyZELFHbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

After testing a few different HTs over the past week using some common
settings, I went back to an HT I tried the first weekend we had AO-85 in
orbit and gave it a try with those settings. The Wouxun KG-UV8D, which had
been on the market since early 2014, was a radio that I thought showed some
promise for full-duplex operation with U/V FM satellites. I tried it with
the Fox-1A engineering model at the 2014 ARRL Centennial Convention and
2014 AMSAT Symposium. With some adjustments in how I used the HT, trying to
simulate working a satellite in orbit, I was convinced last year that this
radio would be an option for full-duplex operations with the Fox-1 series
of U/V FM satellites. I held onto the KG-UV8D to try it with a U/V FM
satellite, whichever one was launched and operational first.

Simple question - can the KG-UV8D work AO-85 full-duplex? This was already
answered last month, but I'll answer it again here in a word...

Yes.

This radio is slightly larger than the KG-UV9D I previously wrote about, a
fatter HT when held. It has a menu system like most of the Chinese-made
HTs, including the KG-UV9D which has replaced the KG-UV8D on the market.
There are differences in the menus between the KG-UV8D and KG-UV9D, but I
was able to use the same key settings in each VFO of the KG-UV8D:

Uplink VFO:

STEP (01): 2.5
SQL (02): 9
WN (08): WIDE
T-CTC (16): 67.0

Downlink VFO:

STEP (01): 2.5
SQL (02): 0
WN (08): NARROW

It doesn't matter how each VFO is used. I prefer the upper VFO for the
uplink frequency, but that is not mandatory. I plugged an audio splitter
into the speaker jack, feeding audio to my Sony audio recorder and an
earpiece. Using an earpiece or some sort of earphones is recommended when
using a radio for full-duplex operation, to prevent receive audio from
feeding back into your microphone. With HTs like the KG-UV8D using receive
filtering that is sharper than what is typical in the Icom/Kenwood/Yaesu
HTs, I find that using the smaller tuning steps and making adjustments on
both uplink and downlink frequencies is recommended.

I worked an AO-85 pass Saturday (28 November) afternoon at 2252-2306 UTC,
a 67-degree pass to my west. During that 14-minute pass, half of it (just
over 7 minutes) saw the satellite at or over 20 degrees elevation, which
I found last month as my "magic number" when trying to work AO-85 with
less transmit power - like we have with HTs. What was interesting about
this pass is that I could quickly change the downlink signal from good
copy to poor with a slight twist of my antenna. When I first tried
transmitting to AO-85, and if I wasn't lined up with the downlink, I
would hear some additional noise and - at some points - it sounded like
mixing that yielded the local National Weather Service radio station in
my ear. Around the midpoint of the pass, the mixing was not present, but
I could tell that the downlink would quickly degrade if I didn't have
the antenna lined up with the downlink. I started with 145.980 MHz as my
downlink frequency, and during the pass tuned down to 145.9875 and then
145.975 MHz for the last part of the pass. These adjustments were the
only times I needed to switch VFOs during the pass.

Not many were on the pass, and I was able to work everyone I heard on the
pass. John K8YSE/7 was on as the satellite came up from my northwest, and
he was joined by a few others - Wyatt AC0RA in Iowa, Frank K4FEG in
Tennessee, Ed N7EC north of Phoenix, and Ron N8RO in Texas. As I was using
the KG-UV8D and Elk to work these stations, my SDRplay SDR receiver with an
8-inch Windows 10 tablet and HDSDR connected to my AMSAT-UK VHF crossed
dipole was making an RF recording of the AO-85 downlink. The RF recording,
along with the MP3 audio I recorded from the HT and other files, have been
uploaded to my Dropbox space at http://dropbox.wd9ewk.net/ (look for the
folder "20151129-AO85_Fox1A-DM43" and the recordings with names having the
time around 2250 UTC).

Even after this test of using the KG-UV8D to work AO-85, I won't change my
ranking of the Chinese-made HTs I have tried with this satellite:

1. Wouxun KG-UV9D
2. AnyTone TERMN-8R
3. Wouxun KG-UV8D
4. Puxing PX-UV973

Wouxun learned from the issues with the receiver in the KG-UV8D, leading to
the improvements I saw using the KG-UV9D on comparable AO-85 passes. If the
receiver didn't have the extra noise and mixing taking place when the AO-85
downlink wasn't strong, this could have been tied with the AnyTone TERMN-8R
for second on my list. The issues I heard with the KG-UV8D receiver, on the
other hand, are not as bad as what I heard from the Puxing PX-UV973 - a
small benefit, but still (in my opinion) a reason to rate the KG-UV8D above
the PX-UV973.

When I saw that the KG-UV8D was able to work AO-85 full-duplex last month,
that vindicated my comments last year after testing it against the Fox-1A
engineering model. At the same time disproved some comments I saw on the
QRZ.com satellite forum from 18 months ago like:

"... the '8D - like the Puxing UV973 - although are true dual-receive
units, that they are not suitable for U/V nor V/U sat ops ... Considering
Alinco couldn't accomplish that with a $250 HT, I wasn't really surprised
that these $100 units couldn't do it."

I have seen similar comments to the above in other forums, and in
reference to other dual-band HTs that I have recently tested against
AO-85.

This ignores the fact that before AO-85, the last time we had a U/V FM
satellite (excluding the ISS U/V cross-band voice repeater) was SO-35,
which went silent in 2001. Unless you went rogue and used an HT on a U/V
transponder, there wasn't a satellite that could be used for a true real-
world test of this HT like I have done with AO-85. As for the reference to
the DJ-G7T, that radio arrived on the ham market in 2009, 5 years before
the KG-UV8D, and what Alinco was (or wasn't) able to do with the DJ-G7T
really isn't relevant to what Wouxun did with the KG-UV8D. Even though none
of the Chinese-made HTs I tested are able to work V/U FM satellites like
SO-50 and LilacSat-2 full-duplex due to receiver desense, Wouxun certainly
learned lessons and improved the receiver from the KG-UV8D to the KG-UV9D.

After these tests, I have used 5 different HTs and an Icom IC-2820H 2m/70cm
FM mobile radio to make QSOs via AO-85 in the past 7 weeks. It has been fun
to try these radios out with similar settings. Having this knowledge helps
to answer questions I get via e-mail, in online forums, and at events where
I represent AMSAT (i.e., hamfests). After the initial disappointment that
HTs would not be able to work this satellite from AOS to LOS, I think it
should be clear that HTs are a viable option for working AO-85 during
portions of higher passes. Working a U/V FM satellite is different than the
V/U FM satellites most have been familiar with, but there are now a few
options for using a single handheld radio to work AO-85 full-duplex - and a
two-radio setup remains a viable option for full-duplex operation.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK

From j.coldon7 at icloud.com  Sun Nov 29 22:55:58 2015
From: j.coldon7 at icloud.com (Jack Colson)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:55:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re" Oscar 6
Message-ID: <0E248803-B9D4-46A4-9C40-23E8B9BCE66E@icloud.com>

 I worked KH6HLK for the first KH6 to W QSO.   My QTH was in Mt. Airy, MD.  KH6HLK was in Barbers Point, HI 96611. I believe VE2BYG may hold that record (he and others worked the KH6 station after my initial QSO). 
Maybe you can check the DX.  Maybe I can figure out my exact Lat/Long if you need it.
73
W3TMZ

From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Nov 30 16:26:21 2015
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 11:26:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Breakup and some debris?)
In-Reply-To: 111c2b8cc0ba9b7db9fa33695ace1c93@mail.gmail.com
References: 111c2b8cc0ba9b7db9fa33695ace1c93@mail.gmail.com
Message-ID: <33dcd7fd6c863745a00776a27ab28368@mail.gmail.com>

Since this event last week, I am now getting several Conjunction near-miss
reports to PCSAT per day compared to normally I get one a few times a month.
So far, all have been several hundred meter misses.  But the debris field
has clearly increased.

Maybe eventually space will get so cluttered that the only applications that
can productively use space are the ones that can keep launching
replacements... only further compounding the problem....  Wonder which comes
first.  Global warming or loss of space usability...  Bob, Wb4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Satellite Breakup and some debris?)
--------
On 25 November 2015 at approximately 0816z, [multiple objects] were detected
in the vicinity of NOAA 16 (#26536), which may indicate a breakup of the
non-operational satellite.  As of 1830z, 19 associated objects have been
cataloged... More pieces may be cataloged as analysis continues...
--------
Just a reminder how messy it is up there.
Bob, WB4APR

From dwarnberg at verizon.net  Mon Nov 30 16:44:56 2015
From: dwarnberg at verizon.net (David)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 11:44:56 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Breakup and some debris?)
In-Reply-To: <33dcd7fd6c863745a00776a27ab28368@mail.gmail.com>
References: 111c2b8cc0ba9b7db9fa33695ace1c93@mail.gmail.com
	<33dcd7fd6c863745a00776a27ab28368@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011c01d12b8e$74fa5bd0$5eef1370$@net>

Just watch a show about space debris... very interesting.. here is a great
web site about it.
http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space-debris/kessler-syndrome/

Also known as the Kessler effect

David, KK4QOE

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:26 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite Breakup and some debris?)

Since this event last week, I am now getting several Conjunction near-miss
reports to PCSAT per day compared to normally I get one a few times a month.
So far, all have been several hundred meter misses.  But the debris field
has clearly increased.

Maybe eventually space will get so cluttered that the only applications that
can productively use space are the ones that can keep launching
replacements... only further compounding the problem....  Wonder which comes
first.  Global warming or loss of space usability...  Bob, Wb4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Satellite Breakup and some debris?)
--------
On 25 November 2015 at approximately 0816z, [multiple objects] were detected
in the vicinity of NOAA 16 (#26536), which may indicate a breakup of the
non-operational satellite.  As of 1830z, 19 associated objects have been
cataloged... More pieces may be cataloged as analysis continues...
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Just a reminder how messy it is up there.
Bob, WB4APR
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 20:21:25 2015
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:21:25 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-30 19:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <1a4ae7.27d247f0.438e09a1@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2015-11-30  19:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Nanasawa Kibounooka Elementary School, Atsugi, Japan,  direct via 8N1NKSG
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The  scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH 
Contact is a go for: Wed 2015-12-02  09:33:51 UTC 61 deg

Yayoi Elementary School, Yatomi, Japan, direct  via 8N2YAYOI 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 
The  scheduled astronaut is Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Contact is a go for: Fri 2015-12-04  09:25:46 UTC 57 deg 

Ingushetia, Russia, direct via TBD
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be RS?ISS
The scheduled astronaut is  Sergey Volkov RU3DIS
Contact is a go for: Sat 2015-12-05 16:25  UTC

Konstanty Ildefons Ga?czy?ski Junior High School, ?wi?tajno,  Poland, 
telebridge via LU1CGB (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be NA1SS (***)
The scheduled astronaut is Kjell Lindgren KO5MOS  (***)
Contact is a go for: Tue 2015-12-08 08:19:31 UTC 62 deg  (***)


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From  2015-12-20 to 2016-01-04, there will be no US Operational Segment 
(USOS)
hams  on board ISS.  So any schools contacts during this period will be 
conducted  by the ARISS Russia  team.

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ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.   
ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to  send 
your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.   

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Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

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Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
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ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with 115  
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  112

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The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8061 date 
and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2015-11-30 19:30 UTC.  
(***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Total number of  ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1010. 
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 975. 
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 46.

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

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The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: 
Arkansas,  Delaware, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, 
Wyoming,  American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin  
Islands.

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QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

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The  successful school list has been updated as of 2015-11-24 01:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
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Exp.  43/44 on orbit
Scott Kelly
Mikhail Kornienko RN3BF

Exp. 44 on  orbit
Oleg Kononenko RN3DX
Kimiya Yui KG5BPH
Kjell Lindgren  KO5MOS

Exp. 45 on orbit
Sergey Volkov  RU3DIS

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73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors