[amsat-bb] AO-85 and HTs
John KI4RO
johnki4ro at gmail.com
Tue May 31 04:35:28 UTC 2016
Kevin,
The best advice I ever got on working AO-85 is to wait until your TCA
(Time of Closest Approach) before you try getting in. I only have a couple
of Baofengs and an Arrow and have had some success working it; not like SO
50 success hi hi, but success nonetheless. Good luck and hope to work you
some day.
73
John KI4RO
EM88
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> 1. AO-85 & HT (Kevin Ehm)
> 2. Re: AO-85 & HT (Bill Dillon)
> 3. Re: AO-85 & HT (Bob)
> 4. Re: AO-85 & HT (John Becker)
> 5. Re: AO-85 & HT (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
> 6. Re: AO-85 & HT (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
> 7. AO-85 & HT (Clayton Coleman)
> 8. Re: AO-85 & HT (Bill Dillon)
> 9. Re: AO-85 & HT (Peter Laws)
> 10. HT vs ??? (Fwd: [VHFcontesting] FS: Icom IC-9100 with options
> (Peter Laws)
> 11. Re: AO-85 & HT (Tim N8DEU)
> 12. Re: AO-85 & HT (Fernando Ramirez)
> 13. Polarization (Ken Alexander)
> 14. EsHail Microwave transponder satellite (Stan, W1LE)
> 15. Fwd: HamRadioNow: TAPR & APRS Forum Videos at 2016 Hamvention
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 09:26:42 -0800
> From: Kevin Ehm <kevinehm at gci.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> I?m having great difficulty hitting and receiving AO-85 with my Yaesu VX
> 6r. I have read about the frequencies, and that I?m not alone in the boat
> with HT?s and only 5 watts. I?m in BP51, and used to hit the easy ones
> when they were working. Am I simply wasting my time with AO-85?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> KL2RQ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:06:08 -0500
> From: Bill Dillon <bill.g.dillon at gmail.com>
> To: AMSAT <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> Hi Kevin,
>
> No, you're not wasting your time with AO-85. I also use a Yaesu VX 6R for
> all my Sat contacts, and have made several with AO-85. That said, AO-85 is
> much more difficult to work for me than SO-50. All my successful contacts
> have been made with an elevation above 45 degrees, so range may be a
> factor. I've also read (but haven't tried yet) about the trick of rotating
> the antenna 90 degrees on transmit, once you've established the best
> receive orientation.
>
> 73 de Bill, KG5FQX
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Kevin Ehm <kevinehm at gci.net> wrote:
>
> > I?m having great difficulty hitting and receiving AO-85 with my Yaesu VX
> > 6r. I have read about the frequencies, and that I?m not alone in the
> boat
> > with HT?s and only 5 watts. I?m in BP51, and used to hit the easy ones
> > when they were working. Am I simply wasting my time with AO-85?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> > KL2RQ
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 14:29:16 -0400
> From: Bob <WB4SON at gmail.com>
> To: Bill Dillon <bill.g.dillon at gmail.com>
> Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> >From this post on the AMSAT.ORG website: http://www.amsat.org/?p=4726
>
> "Probably the most notable observations about AO-85 are an apparent lack of
> sensitivity and difficulty in turning on the repeater with the 67 Hz CTCSS
> when it is not yet activated, or holding it on by the presence of the
> CTCSS. We have determined a probable cause for the sensitivity issue and
> while that can?t be fixed on AO-85 we are taking steps to prevent similar
> issues on the rest of the Fox-1 CubeSats. The tone detection threshold
> along with the receive sensitivity issue makes it hard to bring up the
> repeater."
>
> But like Bill said, you aren't wasting your time -- you will just find it
> harder to work through AO-85 than SO-50. Trying to work it with low power
> and linear antennas when it is low on the horizon won't be a great return
> on the time invested.
>
> On the other hand, if you can't hear it then perhaps you have other RX
> issues -- AO-85's TX signal is quite strong (the voice ID will be picked up
> even without other activity).
>
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:16:18 -0500
> From: John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
>
> John
>
>
> On 5/30/2016 12:26 PM, Kevin Ehm wrote:
> > I?m having great difficulty hitting and receiving AO-85 with my Yaesu VX
> 6r. I have read about the frequencies, and that I?m not alone in the boat
> with HT?s and only 5 watts. I?m in BP51, and used to hit the easy ones
> when they were working. Am I simply wasting my time with AO-85?
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 14:38:30 -0400
> From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh at gmail.com>
> To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> John,
>
> I'm guessing not everyone has a radio like an FT-847 but they have an HT or
> 2. It's also easier to carry an HT outside vs. an 847.
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Samsung S4
> On May 30, 2016 2:32 PM, "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/2016 12:26 PM, Kevin Ehm wrote:
> >
> >> I?m having great difficulty hitting and receiving AO-85 with my Yaesu VX
> >> 6r. I have read about the frequencies, and that I?m not alone in the
> boat
> >> with HT?s and only 5 watts. I?m in BP51, and used to hit the easy ones
> >> when they were working. Am I simply wasting my time with AO-85?
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 18:39:32 +0000
> From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>
> To: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> Hi John!
>
> For some, HTs are the only radios they may have. For others, it
> is the challenge of using portable/QRP equipment to work the satellite.
> It can be done, as WB4SON mentioned earlier (and others on this list
> over the past few months). Not all passes will lead to success for
> those using HTs with AO-85, but with planning many have had success
> working this satellite with HTs. I'm in that group, using several
> different HTs and combinations of radios to work AO-85 since its
> launch - and using a few of the Chinese-made HTs to work it full-
> duplex.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @WD9EWK
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:46:37 -0500
> From: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx at gmail.com>
> To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> Because an FT-847 is hard to hold in one hand with an Arrow pointed at the
> sky in your other hand.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> > Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
> >
> > John
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:47:45 -0500
> From: Bill Dillon <bill.g.dillon at gmail.com>
> To: AMSAT <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> Yep: for me it's portability and ease of use. No worries about power
> supply, or having a table to set up, just grab and go to a near-by field
> where I have a good horizon.
>
> At some point it would be nice to have a roof-mounted, sat-tracking antenna
> for an indoor rig (no mosquitoes!), but I'm not there yet.
>
> 73 de Bill, KG5FQX
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:16 PM, John Becker <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/2016 12:26 PM, Kevin Ehm wrote:
> >
> >> I?m having great difficulty hitting and receiving AO-85 with my Yaesu VX
> >> 6r. I have read about the frequencies, and that I?m not alone in the
> boat
> >> with HT?s and only 5 watts. I?m in BP51, and used to hit the easy ones
> >> when they were working. Am I simply wasting my time with AO-85?
> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 14:06:32 -0500
> From: Peter Laws <plaws0 at gmail.com>
> To: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx at gmail.com>
> Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Because an FT-847 is hard to hold in one hand with an Arrow pointed at
> the
> > sky in your other hand.
>
> Neck straps, brother, neck straps. :-D
>
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 14:09:39 -0500
> From: Peter Laws <plaws0 at gmail.com>
> To: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] HT vs ??? (Fwd: [VHFcontesting] FS: Icom IC-9100
> with options
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> Here is another reason why some ops use HTs.
>
> How many Baofengs can you buy for $2000? 50? 60?
>
> That said, this is a pretty good price for a 9100. Note that it has
> the D-STAR board and roofing filters.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Dave Whaley <nt9e at comcast.net>
> Date: Sun, May 29, 2016 at 5:28 PM
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] FS: Icom IC-9100 with options
> To: VHFcontesting at contesting.com
>
>
> For Sale: Icom IC-9100 $2000 FIRM.
> 160m-10/6/2/70cm (1.2g option NOT included)
> AM/CW/DV/FM/SSB
> Installed options include DV board, 3khz and 6khz Roofing Filters
> Purchased used in 2013. Installed options later.
> Works great on all bands. The display is getting dim when turned on
> but brightness increases within a few seconds and full brightness
> within in a minute or two. Pick up preferable but will ship at your
> cost.
> --
> Signiture *
>
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> --
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>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 14:12:05 -0500
> From: Tim N8DEU <n8deu at outlook.com>
> To: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx at gmail.com>, AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
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> I seen a person use an FT-847 sitting on the rooftop of their car at an
> AMSAT Symposium years ago with an Arrow in one hand and their wrist resting
> on the top edge of the car for support to hold the antenna. The other hand
> was free to hold the microphone and tune the radio. Just a thought on the
> mechanics of the operation.
>
> The car rooftop put the radio at a comfortable eye level position. It
> appeared more portable in that arrangement rather than luggable hanging on
> a shoulder...
>
>
> Tim - N8DEU
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Clayton Coleman<mailto:kayakfishtx at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?5/?30/?2016 1:46 PM
> To: AMSAT-BB<mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
>
> Because an FT-847 is hard to hold in one hand with an Arrow pointed at the
> sky in your other hand.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
>
> > Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
> >
> > John
> >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 12:48:47 -0700
> From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>
> To: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh at gmail.com>, AMSAT -BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
> Message-ID: <574c9920.c729620a.4e0c5.2d5b at mx.google.com>
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> For me working AO-85 while QRP is all about the challenge. Of course, it
> is way easier for me to work that satellite with 50 watts from a mobile
> rig, but my most memorable QSOs on AO-85 (and SO-50) were achieved using
> only a handheld antenna and a 4 watts handheld.
>
> >From southern Arizona, I have worked as far as Alaska, Yukon Territory,
> Curacao on SO-50 (that last one not easy from the Southwest) and Guadaloupe
> Island on AO-85. My AO-85, 5,282km QSO with FG8OJ was completed on a 2
> degrees pass using an UV-B5/FT-817nd and Arrow antenna.
>
> It takes planning, practice, but above all, patience and perseverance!
>
> 73
> Fernando, NP4JV
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Dave Webb KB1PVH
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:38 AM
> To: AMSAT -BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 & HT
>
> John,
>
> I'm guessing not everyone has a radio like an FT-847 but they have an HT or
> 2. It's also easier to carry an HT outside vs. an 847.
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Samsung S4
> On May 30, 2016 2:32 PM, "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason for using a HT and not a desk top rig such as FT847?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/2016 12:26 PM, Kevin Ehm wrote:
> >
> >> I?m having great difficulty hitting and receiving AO-85 with my Yaesu VX
> >> 6r. I have read about the frequencies, and that I?m not alone in the
> boat
> >> with HT?s and only 5 watts. I?m in BP51, and used to hit the easy ones
> >> when they were working. Am I simply wasting my time with AO-85?
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 19:40:51 -0400
> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Polarization
> Message-ID: <6833ea1b-38c8-d71e-31bf-e4e46d539bbe at rogers.com>
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>
> I clipped this from another message because I didn't want to drag the
> discussion off course. It's a question I've been wondering about since
> getting into this a few short weeks ago.
>
> I've also read (but haven't tried yet) about the trick of rotating
> the antenna 90 degrees on transmit, once you've established the best
> receive orientation.
>
> 73 de Bill, KG5FQX
>
> So far, with SO-20 I have rotated my Arrow antenna for best reception of
> the downlink and don't think I've had too much trouble being heard. At
> the same time I have wondered whether I should twist the antenna when
> transmitting to orient the 2m elements to give the same polarization as
> in receive. I don't know if this is a good idea or not, and frankly I
> have enough trouble remembering calls and grids, tracking the satellite,
> adjusting frequency and switching back to the correct VFO to worry about
> one more thing.
>
> I've seen that some commercial OSCAR antennas use circular polarization.
> The antennas I see in the photos of satellites we work are whips. Is the
> polarization becoming "circularized" as it re-enters earth's atmosphere
> or something?
>
> Comments and observations would be most welcome!
>
> 73,
>
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS, FN03
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 20:12:36 -0400
> From: "Stan, W1LE" <stanw1le at verizon.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] EsHail Microwave transponder satellite
> Message-ID: <ed5618f0-a79c-cca2-10d1-a52bcb029096 at verizon.net>
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> Hello The Net,
>
> What are other folks planning to use on the uplink 2400 MHz and the down
> link at 10,489 MHz, for the narrowband linear transponder ?
>
> Stab, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 01:06:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mark Thompson <wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com>
> To: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>,
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