From hamsat at xs4all.nl Sat Oct 1 11:43:10 2016 From: hamsat at xs4all.nl (Nico Janssen) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 13:43:10 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] AlSat 1N identified In-Reply-To: <3c6edbb2-fbdf-f284-59d4-09dda0f23549@xs4all.nl> References: <3c6edbb2-fbdf-f284-59d4-09dda0f23549@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <78aea962-0547-fab3-d152-a409b5b6d95c@xs4all.nl> All, Doppler measurements show that AlSat 1N is object 41789, 2016-059G. 73, Nico PA0DLO From wa4sca at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 14:09:12 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:09:12 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? Message-ID: <000101d21bed$636b2110$2a416330$@GMAIL.COM> Looking for a program called SatEvo by Alan Pickup which is used to predict decay rates. All my Google/Bing searches come up with links to: www.wingar.demon.co.uk/satevo or some variation, which is a dead link. Any current source? I have seen relatively recent postings of output from the program. 73s, Alan WA4SCA ----------------------------------- Keep Calm and Carry On From n8hm at arrl.net Sat Oct 1 15:23:51 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:23:51 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] W3ZM/4 on the air from BSA Camp Snyder 10/2 Message-ID: Good morning, I will be conducting a satellite demonstration for Cub Scouts at the Boy Scouts of America Chain Bridge District Camporall camporee at Camp Snyder in Haymarket, VA tomorrow morning (October 2nd). I will be on the following two passes: 02.10.2016 AO-73 14:23 14:36 13 86 011 - 195 02.10.2016 FO-29 14:48 15:05 17 23 121 - 357 Please call me and give me your city and state for the benefit of the campers. I will be using the AMSAT club call, W3ZM/4, for this demonstration. 73, Paul, N8HM From wa4sca at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 15:49:29 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:49:29 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? SOLVED Message-ID: <000601d21bfb$6569a7d0$303cf770$@GMAIL.COM> Apparently there is no current link, but DK3WN and PA0DLO both came up with the needed files. Thank you both, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- Message-ID: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> All my CY9C LoTW were confirmed except for the FO-29 satellite QSO.Is anyone else seeing this or do I have a local issue ?? Keith N4ZQ From samy_b1 at shell4you.net Sat Oct 1 16:00:31 2016 From: samy_b1 at shell4you.net (Yanko Yankov) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 11:00:31 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C In-Reply-To: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> References: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Same here Yanko,nx9g On October 1, 2016 10:53:38 AM CDT, Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB wrote: >All my CY9C LoTW were confirmed except for the FO-29 satellite QSO.Is >anyone else seeing this or do I have a local issue ?? >Keith N4ZQ > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >Opinions expressed >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >of AMSAT-NA. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >program! >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From mjohns166 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 1 16:00:59 2016 From: mjohns166 at yahoo.com (Mark Johns) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C In-Reply-To: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> References: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2061034148.882146.1475337659174@mail.yahoo.com> Same here. -- Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 ----------------------------------------------- "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB To: AMSAT-BB Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:53 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C All my CY9C LoTW were confirmed except for the FO-29 satellite QSO.Is anyone else seeing this or do I have a local issue ?? Keith N4ZQ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n8hm at arrl.net Sat Oct 1 16:07:38 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 12:07:38 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C In-Reply-To: <2061034148.882146.1475337659174@mail.yahoo.com> References: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> <2061034148.882146.1475337659174@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They have not yet prepared the satellite log for LoTW. Hopefully it won't take long. 73, Paul, N8HM On Saturday, October 1, 2016, Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Same here. > -- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, > you would stay out and your dog would go in." > ---Mark Twain > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB > > To: AMSAT-BB > > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:53 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C > > All my CY9C LoTW were confirmed except for the FO-29 satellite QSO.Is > anyone else seeing this or do I have a local issue ?? > Keith N4ZQ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From AJ9N at aol.com Sat Oct 1 20:30:24 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 16:30:24 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-01 20:30 UTC Message-ID: <27f07a.698c845f.452176e0@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-01 20:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Yamanashi Gakuin J. H. School, Kofu, Japan, direct via 8J1YGJH The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Sat 2016-10-01 08:11:36 UTC 31 deg (***) Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, direct via 9M2RPN The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Thu 2016-10-06 18:24:00 UTC 46 deg iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 122 (***) Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-01 20:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1085. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1050. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-01 20:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From k8bl at ameritech.net Sun Oct 2 00:30:14 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 00:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C In-Reply-To: References: <78830213.2684510.1475337218951.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <78830213.2684510.1475337218951@mail.yahoo.com> <2061034148.882146.1475337659174@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1069935230.8022604.1475368214057@mail.yahoo.com> Sat. Folks,I exchanged e-mails with Randy N0TG and he said therewere some issues with Sat Logging in their N1MM andit is being worked on. Resolution is expected soon andthey'll be in LoTW properly.73/GL, ? ? Bob ?K8BL From: Paul Stoetzer To: Mark Johns ; Mark Johns Cc: AMSAT-BB ; Keith O'Brien Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] CY9C They have not yet prepared the satellite log for LoTW. Hopefully it won't take long. 73, Paul, N8HM On Saturday, October 1, 2016, Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Same here. > -- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA? EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, >? ? you would stay out and your dog would go in." >? ? ? ---Mark Twain > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB > > To: AMSAT-BB > > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:53 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C > > All my CY9C LoTW were confirmed except for the FO-29 satellite QSO.Is > anyone else seeing this or do I have a local issue ?? > Keith N4ZQ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wao at vfr.net Sun Oct 2 04:47:38 2016 From: wao at vfr.net (Joseph Spier) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 21:47:38 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-276 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins Message-ID: <3799e347-9e7d-0604-286d-6b15db0490c2@vfr.net> AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-276 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-editor at amsat.org. In this edition: * NuSat-1 Issued Oscar Number LO-87 * Pratham Satellite Launched, Heard, and Identified * AO-7 Mode A * BATC Convention Includes Satellite Topics * ARRL to Host CHIRP Radio Programming Webinar * NASA Next Magazine for Teens and Educators * Sign Up for NASA Education 'Science WOW!' Weekly Email Newsletter * AMSAT Events * ARISS News * Satellite Shorts From All Over SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-276.01 ANS-276 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins AMSAT News Service Bulletin 276.01 >From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD. DATE October 2, 2016 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-276.01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- NuSat-1 Issued Oscar Number LO-87 The Argentine ?uSAT-1 carrying the LUSEX (LU Satellite Experiment) Amateur Radio U/V linear transponder and 436 MHz beacon launched May 30 at 0317 UTC from China. The transponder, with a 30 kHz bandwidth and transmitting with 250 mW, will has an uplink passband (SSB, CW) at 435.935~435.965 MHz, and a downlink passband at 145.965~145.935 MHZ. Basic CW telemetry is transmitted on 145.900 MHz. The NuSAT-1 GFSK telemetry beacon is at 436.445 MHz, and the NuSAT-2 GFSK telemetry beacon is at 437.445 MHz. Over the past month AMSAT-Argentina has requested the issuance of an OSCAR designation. After review, the following determination has been announced: "I join the entire world in wishing this spacecraft a successful life and, under the authority vested in me by the AMSAT-NA President, do hereby issue LUSEX the designation LUSEX OSCAR 87 or LO-87." 73, William A. (Bill) Tynan, W3XO OSCAR Number Administrator See http://lusex.org.ar/ [ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AlSat-1N and Pratham Satellites Launched, Heard, and Identified The AlSat-1N and Pratham satellites, both with amateur radio payloads, launched on the Indian ISRO PSLV-C35 mission at 0342 GMT on Monday, September 26, 2016, reports are requested. Update Sept 27: The AlSat-1N signal has been received but nothing heard from Pratham. A Dorset radio amateur reports receiving a signal from PISAT (2240 MHz) which was also on the PSLV-C35 launch https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom/status/780808329392168960 Update Sept 29: Reports on AMSAT-BB indicate the Pratham CW beacon on 145.980 MHz is active. http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-September/060551.html http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-September/060552.html The 3U CubeSat AlSat-1N was built in collaboration between the Algerian Space Agency (ASAL), UK Space Agency (UKSA), Surrey Space Centre (SSC) staff and Algerian students as a technology transfer and demonstrator for Algeria. AlSat-1N is also hosting three UK payloads from various institutions and aims to take images of the Earth and send back data from the UK payloads. The IARU coordinated downlink is 437.650 MHz 9k6 FSK. Any downlinked data will be gratefully received at alsatnano at gmail.com Both decoded hex files and recordings would be greatly appreciated. Richard Duke M0GSN is transmission authority in the UK under the SSC Club callsign M0GKK. Further information on AlSat-1N can be downloaded from: https://ukamsat.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/alsat-1n_description_v1.pdf https://amsat-uk.org/2016/09/24/alsat-1n-pratham-launch/ Information on the Pratham student satellite is at https://amsat-uk.org/2016/09/07/pratham-student-satellite/ Detailed doppler measurements show that Pratham is object 41791, 2016-059J. This is based on the most recent TLE sets, that were published by the JSpOC. Unfortunately the collection of TLE sets for the PSLV-C35 launch is not stable yet. The JSpOC continues to cross-tag TLE sets and to make major changes to some of the TLE sets. So some further changes may be expected in the coming days. The JSpOC has not yet identified any of the objects from the PSLV-C35 launch. It seems quite obvious however that ScatSat is object 41790, 2016-059H. [ANS thanks AMSAT-UK, AMSAT-BB, and Nico, PA0DLO, for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AO-7 Mode A Noted on the AMSAT-BB: It appears that AO-7 switched to Mode A between 0400 and 0600 UTC today 9/30/2016. That suggests that the satellite is now in constant sunlight and receiving enough power from the solar cells for the 24 hour timer to stay on throughout it's entire orbit. Expect daily mode switches between Mode A and Mode B to occur for the next three months or so. As AO-7's orbit precesses and the periods of constant sunlight become fewer and fewer, there will be less of an opportunity to use Mode A on a yearly basis, so enjoy it while it lasts! If you don't have a 10 meter antenna up to receive the downlink, try whatever you can. I have used my AlexLoop Walkham Portable Magnetic Loop with adequate results. [ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM AMSAT-NA Secretary for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- BATC Convention Includes Satellite Topics The British Amateur Television Club hosted a number of presentations covering the latest equipment, modes and operating techniques (including satellite topics) at the Convention for Amateur Television 2016 (CAT 16) at Cosford on 24/25 September. The satellite presentation slides and videos included: Receiving and Presenting HamTV from the ISS Noel Matthews, G8GTZ Es'hail-2: Geostationary transponder for DATV Graham Shirville, G3VZV and Dave Crump, G8GKQ Links to the slides and video recordings are available on-line at: https://wiki.batc.tv/Presentations_from_CAT_16 [ANS thanks the BATC for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARRL to Host CHIRP Radio Programming Webinar ARRL will host a CHIRP Radio Programming webinar on Wednesday, October 19, at 8 PM ET (0000 UTC on Thursday, October 20, in US time zones). This presentation will offer a brief overview of the free, open-source CHIRP software, which can be used to program most radios. The site at http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home explains what the CHIRP software does. Attendees will learn: What CHIRP is, which radios are supported, how to get CHIRP, and how to troubleshoot CHIRP. Presenter James Lee, N1DDK, became active in CHIRP development for the initial TYT9800 driver. He is a hardware development engineer for Qualcomm. Register now at https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/693479953177190401 After registering, you will receive a confirmation e-mail containing information about joining the webinar. [ANS thanks the ARRL for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- NASA Next Magazine for Teens and Educators NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, recently released the second issue of its new online news magazine for teens and educators called "NASA Next." "NASA Next" breaks down complex science and brings its audience the latest news on Goddard science, including studies of Earth, the sun, our solar system and the universe. "NASA Next" is interactive with clickable links to other NASA web pages, so readers can learn more about the missions and technologies they come across. The magazine includes articles, fun facts, activities and a For Educators page filled with lesson plans to help incorporate "NASA Next" into the classroom. Educators and scientists review all lesson plans to ensure that the content is accurate and useful in an educational setting and that it meets national and state standards of learning. For more information and to download the latest issue, visit http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-announces-new-issue-of-nasa- next-online-news-for-teens-educators. If you have questions about "NASA Next," please email your inquiries to Sarah Schlieder at sarah.schlieder at nasa.gov. [ANS thanks NASA Education Express Message -- Sept. 29, 2016 for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NASA Education 'Science WOW!' Weekly Email Newsletter Are you a science educator or interested in science education? Sign up for the NASA Education "Science WOW!" mailing list. Receive an email with NASA's latest science education offerings delivered "Weekly on Wednesdays." Science starts with a question, and so does "Science WOW!" Each week's message kicks off with a science question and a link to where you can find the answer. "Science WOW!" also highlights an awesome science education tool each week. These featured resources will include NASA apps, interactive games, 3-D printing templates and more! Plus, "Science WOW!" delivers -- right to your inbox -- the latest science education opportunities offered by NASA. It's a simple way to keep up with the latest professional development webinars, student contests, workshops, lectures and other activities. To register your email address and be added to the list, visit https://www.nasa.gov/education/sciencewow/ [ANS thanks NASA Education Express Message -- Sept. 29, 2016 for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSAT Events Information about AMSAT activities at other important events around the country. Examples of these events are radio club meetings where AMSAT Area Coordinators give presentations, demonstrations of working amateur satellites, and hamfests with an AMSAT presence (a table with AMSAT literature and merchandise, sometimes also with presentations, forums, and/or demonstrations). *Friday and Saturday, 21-22 October 2016 ? CopaFest 2016, south of Maricopa AZ *Saturday, 12 November 2016 ? Oro Valley Amateur Radio Club Hamfest in Marana AZ *Saturday, 3 December 2016 ? Superstition Superfest in Mesa AZ *Saturday, 14 January 2017 ? Thunderbird Hamfest 2017 in Phoenix AZ *Saturday, 4 February 2017 ? Palm Springs Hamfest in Palm Springs CA *Friday-Sunday, 10-12 February 2017 Orlando HamCation in Orlando, FL *Friday and Saturday, 17-18 February 2017 ? Yuma Hamfest in Yuma AZ [ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS News Successful Contacts * C.E.PR. Almad?n, Ja?n, Spain, direct via EA7URJ or TBD The ISS callsign was OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut was Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact was successful: Thu 2016-09-15 08:14:19 UTC * Yamanashi Gakuin J. H. School, Kofu, JapanA direct via 8J1YGJH The ISS callsign was NA1SS The scheduled astronaut was Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Sat 2016-10-01 08:11:36 UTC 31 deg. Yamanashi Gakuin Junior High School is located in Kofu, Yamanashi Prefecture. Yamanashi Gakuin was founded in 1946. the current junior high school opened in 1996 on its 50th anniversary. The school has three grades and and enrollment of 244 students. Yamanashi Gakuin was successful. They asked 16 questions and got 16 answers from Takuya. Signal condition not so good. Audience: 60 Newspapers: 3 Upcoming Contacts * Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, direct via 9M2RPN The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Thu 2016-10-06 18:24:00 UTC 46 deg. The school is invited by National Space Agency Satellite Ground Station with a call sign of 9M2RPN in conjunction with "National Space Challenge Prime Minister's Trophy 2016" as in past years. Total of students: 746 students Total of teachers: 43 teachers * iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg. In 2001, iSPACE, a 501(c)(3) organization, incorporated as a STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) educational resource for schools throughout the Greater Cincinnati region. The iSPACE mission is to make STEM learning exciting and to promote STEM career awareness, through interactive programs for students, educators and families in the region. iSPACE provides innovative and effective programs, events and learning experiences for students (grades pre-K?12), their educators and their families including field trips, outreach, professional development and other programs that stimulate interest and appreciation for STEM. In 2015, iSPACE programs served a diverse population of 24,731 youth and 5,791 adults in more than 500 schools. iSPACE works diligently to collaborate within the regional and their programs are recognized for their effectiveness throughout the STEM community. Through rigorous alignment to national and state standards and the utilization of best practices, iSPACE continues to develop curriculum for educators and inquiry?-based educational opportunities for students. iSPACE has made a mark in Greater Cincinnati for our high quality programs that measurably and effectively inspire students in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, increase their content knowledge and introduce them to STEM careers. Watch http://www.ariss.org/upcoming-contacts.html for information about upcoming contacts as they are scheduled. [ANS thanks ARISS, Dave, AA4KN, and Charlie, AJ9N for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Satellite Shorts From All Over VP5/AA4FL Practice Run Gearing up for a VP5 visit and operation Oct. 16 - Nov. 2. Will be part of VP5DX CQWW SSB team but still have time for portable SAT operations. I worked 9 stations in a practice run from the University of Florida campus a few weeks ago. I should be able to operate SATs from Oct. 19-28. Equipment will be a FT-817 and arrow II. Will also have a TH-D7A as a backup for the FM birds. Practice runs were on AO-73 and FO-29 using the FT-817. I will have another practice day on Sunday Oct. 9th. Please mark your calendar and work me that day from EL-89tp. My signal will be readable but not strong, which I am sure you will not mind when I am the DX station you are chasing. I will use that day as a teaching experience for the Gator Amateur Radio Club student members. You can see photos from our last event on their Facebook page. Feel free to friend me as well. I have been told it has been ten years since there has been a SAT operation from VP5. My operation will not be from Provo (FL31) but from Middle Caicos (FL41cu). Check out the QTH on the VP5DX QRZ page. Do any AMSAT members have FL41 in their log? Looking forward to working you from FL41cu. [ANS thanks Jay, AA4FL for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- /EX In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi- tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT Office. Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu- dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status. Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership information. 73, This week's ANS Editor, Joe Spier, K6WAO k6wao at amsat dot org From clintbrad4d at earthlink.net Sun Oct 2 01:23:52 2016 From: clintbrad4d at earthlink.net (Clint Bradford) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:23:52 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Quirk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> ... If you start talking immediately, the first letter or two of your callsign will not be heard. Gawd - it is like the Yaesu WIRES function in radios ... (grin) More than a decade later, and we're still adding to the "operating hints and tips" for SO-50! Clint K6LCS From matthew at mrstevens.net Sun Oct 2 15:34:48 2016 From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 11:34:48 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HF Nets Message-ID: Are any of the Amsat HF nets still running? There's a few listed on the website, just wondered if that info was current. - Matthew KK4FEM Sent from my iPhone From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 15:46:31 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 08:46:31 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] HF Nets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57F12BD7.20107@gmail.com> Keith W5IU and Larry W7LB still run the Amsat Net on Sunday, 1900 UTC on 14.282. Greg KO6TH Matthew Stevens wrote: > Are any of the Amsat HF nets still running? There's a few listed on the website, just wondered if that info was current. > > - Matthew KK4FEM > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Sun Oct 2 20:37:25 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:37:25 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol Message-ID: What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged for a valid QSO? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From n8hm at arrl.net Sun Oct 2 20:39:29 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:39:29 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Callsign + one additional piece of info (grid square, signal report, location, name, etc). 73, Paul, N8HM On Sunday, October 2, 2016, Joe wrote: > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged for a > valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From kq6ea at verizon.net Sun Oct 2 20:45:06 2016 From: kq6ea at verizon.net (Jim Jerzycke) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:45:06 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Callsign and signal report? Maybe name and grid square? Jim KQ6EA On 10/02/2016 08:37 PM, Joe wrote: > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged > for a valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD From wb3jfs at cox.net Sun Oct 2 21:31:45 2016 From: wb3jfs at cox.net (Jeff Yanko) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 14:31:45 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, (UTC). Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. 73, Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged > for a valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD From g.shirville at btinternet.com Sun Oct 2 21:38:22 2016 From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 22:38:22 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> Message-ID: <622A389265B04A8D9E1BCA42ADB2CCD0@allgood.local> Hi Jeff, Here in IARU Region 1 we agreed a definition of a valid QSO sometime back for VHF and above. They are shown in this extract http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2007/qso_definition.htm I suspect that such definitions have probably not yet been elaborated in the other two IARU Regions 73 Graham G3VZV -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Yanko Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:31 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, (UTC). Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. 73, Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged > for a valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n8hm at arrl.net Sun Oct 2 21:51:56 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:51:56 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> Message-ID: Grid square isn't required. Time certainly isn't needed in any exchange (except for BARTG RTTY contest). 73, Paul, N8HM On Sunday, October 2, 2016, Jeff Yanko wrote: > Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, (UTC). > Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. > > BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. > > > 73, > > Jeff WB3JFS > > > On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: > >> What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged for >> a valid QSO? >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From normanlizeth at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 22:04:09 2016 From: normanlizeth at gmail.com (Norm n3ykf) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 18:04:09 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <622A389265B04A8D9E1BCA42ADB2CCD0@allgood.local> References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> <622A389265B04A8D9E1BCA42ADB2CCD0@allgood.local> Message-ID: The Europeans like to use the Maidenhead sub grid identifier as well. I.E. FK91pg Listen directionally. n3ykf On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Graham Shirville wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Here in IARU Region 1 we agreed a definition of a valid QSO sometime back for VHF and above. > > They are shown in this extract http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2007/qso_definition.htm > > I suspect that such definitions have probably not yet been elaborated in the other two IARU Regions > > 73 > > Graham > G3VZV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Yanko > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:31 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol > > Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, (UTC). > Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. > > BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. > > > 73, > > Jeff WB3JFS > > > On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: >> What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged >> for a valid QSO? >> >> Joe WB9SBD > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From w5pfg at amsat.org Sun Oct 2 22:04:18 2016 From: w5pfg at amsat.org (Clayton W5PFG) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:04:18 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f0baa87-e2b4-f50f-641d-8946c2ecd195@amsat.org> If you want to make a lot of friends, I would suggest providing your twelve digit grid square as part of the exchange. Make sure the other station repeats it back to you in its entirety. That way you know you're in the log and you had a clean QSO. 73 Clayton W5PFG On 10/2/2016 15:45, Jim Jerzycke wrote: > Callsign and signal report? > > > Maybe name and grid square? > > > Jim KQ6EA > > > On 10/02/2016 08:37 PM, Joe wrote: >> What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged >> for a valid QSO? >> >> Joe WB9SBD From wb3jfs at cox.net Sun Oct 2 22:07:31 2016 From: wb3jfs at cox.net (Jeff Yanko) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:07:31 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> Message-ID: <84cdeb9c-b320-f190-7f0a-d1886be87bea@cox.net> Hi Graham, That's the first I've heard of an IARU standard for a QSO, not saying there isn't any. Interesting. Does the IARU issue awards in which you submit QSO data to them to obtain? 73, Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 2:38 PM, Graham Shirville wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Here in IARU Region 1 we agreed a definition of a valid QSO sometime > back for VHF and above. > They are shown in this extract > http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2007/qso_definition.htm > I suspect that such definitions have probably not yet been elaborated > in the other two IARU Regions > 73 > Graham > G3VZV > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Yanko > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:31 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol > Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, (UTC). > Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. > BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. > 73, > Jeff WB3JFS > On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: > > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged > > for a valid QSO? > > > > Joe WB9SBD > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wb3jfs at cox.net Sun Oct 2 22:11:03 2016 From: wb3jfs at cox.net (Jeff Yanko) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:11:03 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> Message-ID: <7435a885-8596-db33-7c99-6532def175d1@cox.net> I would suspect that most people make QSO's via the birds to obtain awards, certificates, etc. In a lot of cases, not all, grids are required. That's why if you notice most QSL's printed up now have the grid square listed along with possibly CQ and ITU zones. 10 years back, I've never recalled a QSL with the grid square listed. 73, Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 2:51 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Grid square isn't required. Time certainly isn't needed in any > exchange (except for BARTG RTTY contest). > > 73, > > Paul, N8HM > > On Sunday, October 2, 2016, Jeff Yanko > wrote: > > Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, > (UTC). Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. > > BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. > > > 73, > > Jeff WB3JFS > > > On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: > > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be > exchanged for a valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: > http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > From wb3jfs at cox.net Sun Oct 2 22:14:46 2016 From: wb3jfs at cox.net (Jeff Yanko) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:14:46 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LOL! Plus the first born, just to be safe. Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 3:04 PM, Clayton W5PFG wrote: > If you want to make a lot of friends, I would suggest providing your > twelve digit grid square as part of the exchange. Make sure the other > station repeats it back to you in its entirety. That way you know > you're in the log and you had a clean QSO. > > 73 > Clayton > W5PFG > > On 10/2/2016 15:45, Jim Jerzycke wrote: >> Callsign and signal report? >> >> >> Maybe name and grid square? >> >> >> Jim KQ6EA >> >> >> On 10/02/2016 08:37 PM, Joe wrote: >>> What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged >>> for a valid QSO? >>> >>> Joe WB9SBD > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From jim at k6ccc.org Sun Oct 2 23:04:44 2016 From: jim at k6ccc.org (Jim Walls) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:04:44 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <7435a885-8596-db33-7c99-6532def175d1@cox.net> References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> <7435a885-8596-db33-7c99-6532def175d1@cox.net> Message-ID: <46baadf3-9b25-b650-d2e1-ff9121cc526e@k6ccc.org> On 10/2/2016 15:11, Jeff Yanko wrote: > I would suspect that most people make QSO's via the birds to obtain > awards, certificates, etc. In a lot of cases, not all, grids are > required. That's why if you notice most QSL's printed up now have the > grid square listed along with possibly CQ and ITU zones. 10 years > back, I've never recalled a QSL with the grid square listed. This web page shows a revision date in 2000. Both cards with my current call shows have the four digit grid square printed on the card. Although I can't positively state it, I assume the "terrestrial" card was printed shortly after I changed callsign in 1997. http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/QSL.html -- 73 ------------------------------------- Jim Walls - K6CCC jim at k6ccc.org Ofc: 818-548-4804 http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/ AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395 From jamesduffey at comcast.net Mon Oct 3 00:00:53 2016 From: jamesduffey at comcast.net (James Duffey) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 18:00:53 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe - Historically and traditionally, the minimum standard for VHF QSOes has been: Both stations send and copy both calls Both stations exchange a meaningful piece of information Both stations acknowledge receipt of the information. So a minimal QSO would go like this: KK6MC: CQ KK6MC WB9BSD: WB9SBD KK6MC: WB9SBD, DM65tc KK6MC: roger, EN43XO WB9BSD: roger At this point the required minimum amount of information has been exchanged, but there is some ambiguity as to whether or not KK6MC has received WB9SBD?s rogers, so it is customary for KK6MC to send 73 to acknowledge the roger. So the typical QSO goes: KK6MC: CQ KK6MC WB9BSD: WB9SBD KK6MC: WB9SBD, DM65tc KK6MC: roger, EN43XO WB9BSD: roger KK6MC: 73 Nothing says that satellite QSOes have to go this way, but it is a good place to start. Everything is there and if you take something out, it starts to make less sense. I hope that this helps. - Duffey KK6MC On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Joe wrote: > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged for a valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM From nss at mwt.net Mon Oct 3 00:08:55 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 19:08:55 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Illumination Program Message-ID: The program that somone posted that tells us how well like AO-7 is being illuminated. I downloaded it. but cant get it to run. it complains about a missing .OCX file. Anyone have any help? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From va6bmj at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:12:27 2016 From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 00:12:27 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/2/16, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Callsign + one additional piece of info (grid square, signal report, > location, name, etc). I've always understood that the minimum was that both stations give their callsigns and grid squares. I send out wallpaper whenever I contact a new station or grid square. I haven't gone after any awards as such, but, maybe, the other station does. 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL From va6bmj at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 00:38:09 2016 From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 00:38:09 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Off-topic But Related To Amateur Radio Message-ID: Turn an old drafting compass into a holder for a pair of multimeter probes: http://hackaday.com/2016/10/02/multimeter-probe-goes-full-circle/ There have been lots of times when I'm checking a circuit or cable that I've wished I could hold both probes with one hand and use the other hand to, say, adjust my meter. What a clever idea! 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL From normanlizeth at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 01:11:26 2016 From: normanlizeth at gmail.com (Norm n3ykf) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:11:26 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Illumination Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google the appropriate file name. Try and find a reputable download site. Cross your fingers, download. scan and place correctly. IIRC that file is difficult to find because it's (obsolete) IP. Last time that trick wouldn't get Mike's code to run. Good luck. Norm n3ykf On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Joe wrote: > The program that somone posted that tells us how well like AO-7 is being > illuminated. > > I downloaded it. but cant get it to run. it complains about a missing .OCX > file. > > Anyone have any help? > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From g.shirville at btinternet.com Mon Oct 3 07:40:50 2016 From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:40:50 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <84cdeb9c-b320-f190-7f0a-d1886be87bea@cox.net> References: <3eb479a7-bff9-8275-1fb1-5d718d75236e@cox.net> <84cdeb9c-b320-f190-7f0a-d1886be87bea@cox.net> Message-ID: <0D864B1AAC834041ABA8B69FC1707DBC@allgood.local> Hi Jeff, For VHF in IARU Region 1 it is all here, currently encapsulated in 144 (!) pages. The decisions and recommendations have been distilled as a result of agreements reached in regional meetings held every 18 months for the past ?n? years. Download I am not sure about awards but there are lots of contests which now have online entry systems. Of course generally only EME and satellite operations extend across Regional ?Borders? on these frequencies. Happy reading 73 Graham G3VZV From: Jeff Yanko Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 11:07 PM To: Graham Shirville ; AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol Hi Graham, That's the first I've heard of an IARU standard for a QSO, not saying there isn't any. Interesting. Does the IARU issue awards in which you submit QSO data to them to obtain? 73, Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 2:38 PM, Graham Shirville wrote: Hi Jeff, Here in IARU Region 1 we agreed a definition of a valid QSO sometime back for VHF and above. They are shown in this extract http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2007/qso_definition.htm I suspect that such definitions have probably not yet been elaborated in the other two IARU Regions 73 Graham G3VZV -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Yanko Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:31 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol Callsign and grid square is all that is needed, plus the time, (UTC). Signal report on any birds isn't necessary. BTW, signal reports aren't needed for HF QSO under WAS or DXCC. 73, Jeff WB3JFS On 10/2/2016 1:37 PM, Joe wrote: > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged > for a valid QSO? > > Joe WB9SBD _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From smedbury at windstream.net Mon Oct 3 12:20:56 2016 From: smedbury at windstream.net (Scott Medbury) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 07:20:56 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol Message-ID: <20161003122457.56CB18D8E@lansing182.amsat.org> Typically for satellite name, grid, and sometimes SES Identifier or state for rover's. Or body of water for maritime mobile. Scott KD5FBA Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Oct 2, 2016 3:45 PM, Jim Jerzycke wrote: > > Callsign and signal report? > > > Maybe name and grid square? > > > Jim? KQ6EA > > > On 10/02/2016 08:37 PM, Joe wrote: > > What is the standard for a minimal contact of what must be exchanged > > for a valid QSO? > > > > Joe WB9SBD > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n4zq at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 12:36:16 2016 From: n4zq at yahoo.com (Keith O'Brien) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 12:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol References: <373638499.8532525.1475498176779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <373638499.8532525.1475498176779@mail.yahoo.com> So these messages I see from time to time here on the AMSAT-BB that say " Did anyone copythe call sign of the station I just worked "? are not valid contacts, and shouldn't be countedfor anything but nice try, maybe next time. Keith N4ZQ From simon at sdr-radio.com Mon Oct 3 12:41:16 2016 From: simon at sdr-radio.com (Simon Brown) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:41:16 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <373638499.8532525.1475498176779@mail.yahoo.com> References: <373638499.8532525.1475498176779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <373638499.8532525.1475498176779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01d21d73$6ed51ab0$4c7f5010$@sdr-radio.com> What is the station forgot the callsign in the heat of battle? Myself I run a recording (SDR data IQ) so I can always replay the pass if needed. My excuse is tinnitus and being easily confused... Simon Brown, GK4ELI http://sdr-radio.com -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB Sent: 03 October 2016 13:36 To: AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol So these messages I see from time to time here on the AMSAT-BB that say " Did anyone copythe call sign of the station I just worked " are not valid contacts, and shouldn't be countedfor anything but nice try, maybe next time. Keith N4ZQ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From matthew at mrstevens.net Mon Oct 3 13:04:44 2016 From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 09:04:44 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <002e01d21d73$6ed51ab0$4c7f5010$@sdr-radio.com> References: <373638499.8532525.1475498176779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <373638499.8532525.1475498176779@mail.yahoo.com> <002e01d21d73$6ed51ab0$4c7f5010$@sdr-radio.com> Message-ID: My excuse is just being easily confused :D Recordings have saved my QSOs more times than once. - Matthew KK4FEM Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2016, at 08:41, Simon Brown wrote: > > What is the station forgot the callsign in the heat of battle? > > Myself I run a recording (SDR data IQ) so I can always replay the pass if needed. My excuse is tinnitus and being easily confused... > > Simon Brown, GK4ELI > http://sdr-radio.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB > Sent: 03 October 2016 13:36 > To: AMSAT-BB > Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol > > So these messages I see from time to time here on the AMSAT-BB that say " Did anyone copythe call sign of the station I just worked " are not valid contacts, and shouldn't be countedfor anything but nice try, maybe next time. > Keith N4ZQ > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n4ufo at yahoo.com Mon Oct 3 13:34:51 2016 From: n4ufo at yahoo.com (Kevin M) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol References: <1148292044.2796818.1475501691168.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1148292044.2796818.1475501691168@mail.yahoo.com> As far as valid QSOs for ARRL awards are concerned (DXCC/VUCC/WAS), they simply state a 'contact' must be made. But no where do they ever define what a contact consists of. They leave this definition up to the award applicant and the stations that he/she contacts. When asked, I have always explained a contact as, "I called you and you knew it was me, you answered and I knew it was you..." In short, as long as we both understand that we 'contacted' each other, then it's a contact. My point is, there is no specified rule that says a grid square or any other piece of information is exchanged. There is actually no rule that says the CALLSIGN must be EXCHANGED. A contact exists when the two parties involved in the communication agree that the contact happened... whether they exchange a 'QSL' on air, via e-mail, LotW or by USPS mail, if both parties agree that it took place... then it took place. The requirement for any more, is to saddle the participants with a burden to overcome the non-natural hindrances that can occur with high volume traffic over man made devices... i.e. satellites. If EME or meteor scatter operators want to place certain burdens upon themselves to ensure that their imaginations, tricks of the senses, or natural phenomena did not insert a bit of faux communication that did not actually take place, that is their perogative. BUT, why should one penalize a station and say that a contact did not take place simply because some guy with 50 watts and crap for a receiver decided to say, "Halllo! One, two, three, haaaalo!" over top of Jeeves while he was uttering his grid square. Further, since satellite passes are a time limited resource, why should we take away precious airtime from others by forcing a repeat of a piece of information that we likely already know, and at the very least can easily look up online, etc. Simply put... if I'm in a rare grid square working lots of stations on a frenzied pass and I hear a voice I recognize saying his/her callsign while obviously calling me, but someone keys on top of him in the middle of saying his callsign, is it really necessary for me to say, "Who is the Hotel Mike?" when I KNOW who it is? OR worse, stop to take the time to ask, 'What's your grid again, Paul?' - Paul knew it was me, I knew it was Paul, I'm simply going to say, "In the log, Paul," and call the next station. Common sense and basic trust in personal integrity goes a long way towards making life simpler and more enjoyable.... QSL?? 73!? N4UFO, EM95, over. From kk5do at amsat.org Mon Oct 3 13:40:16 2016 From: kk5do at amsat.org (Bruce) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:40:16 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: References: <373638499.8532525.1475498176779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <373638499.8532525.1475498176779@mail.yahoo.com> <002e01d21d73$6ed51ab0$4c7f5010$@sdr-radio.com> Message-ID: i thought i would let this run a bit and see what transpired. i get really annoyed when i hear someone in a rare grid (let's just take CY9C for example) and people go back and forth with call and grid several times. when i did a bit of traveling, my trick in maximizing my contacts was to listen for a bit when i first heard the satellite and write down all the calls i hear. if i wrote it down, i heard it, right? then i get on the air and announce myself giving my call and grid and ask for people to call me once. i put a check mark next to their call when they call back (now, they heard my call or they would not have come back to me and i am verifying their call again with my check mark). then when there is a pause, i get back on the air and say xx1xx, xx2xx, xx3xx, xx4xx, i have you any others? i write down the list i hear and go back and say yy1yy, yy2yy, yy3yy, i have you. i only had to give my grid once at the beginning and i really could care less what grid you are in, i am not going to write it down nor repeat it back to you. i have no interest in trying to earn vucc from a grid i work from once or twice. if i recognize your voice, i even had your call down before i heard you give it. we made a two way contact because i copied your call, you copied mine and we are all good. with this method, i can log about 10-20 stations in a very short time. everyone gets in that wants to. with short satellite passes, it is virtually impossible to do back and forth and back and forth and then there is always the 'thanks for the contact, have fun'. i know it is polite and you would like to do it but on satellite passes, it is just not possible unless only a few get in and that is what i saw on several of the CY9C passes on SO-50. maybe it is not the best plan but it worked good for me and there were many more sat operators on the air back in the ao-10/13 and ao-40 days than now. 73...bruce -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards AMSAT Board Member 2016-2018 AMSAT Board Alternate 2015-2016 ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat From kayakfishtx at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 16:22:13 2016 From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 11:22:13 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] VE3HLS/p FN15 Message-ID: Ken, VE3HLS, is operating satellites from grid FN15 today: FO-29 @ 15:40 SO-50 @ 16:56 FO-29 @ 17:25 AO-7 @ 17:52 SO-50 @ 18:33 AO-7 @ 19:42 SO-50 @ 20:15 (all times UTC) He shared this information via Twitter: https://twitter.com/ve3hls/status/782794967190208512 73 Clayton W5PFG From k8bl at ameritech.net Mon Oct 3 18:15:49 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol In-Reply-To: <1148292044.2796818.1475501691168@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1148292044.2796818.1475501691168.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1148292044.2796818.1475501691168@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <825351260.8818614.1475518549258@mail.yahoo.com> Kevin, ? ?(et al) Your write-up & explanation sounds very fair and proper as far as I'm concerned. Its philosophy, in general, is the same that I use. If I put out my Call and someone responds with my Call and their Call, I'll repeat their Call and usually my Grid Square. They will respond with some kind of acknowledgement - QSL, Thanks, Roger, 73, Good Luck, 10-4, etc. Then, someone else will jump in with their Call or I'll announce mine and the sequence will repeat itself. If I'm in a rare Grid and/or there's a pileup, I would probably say QRZ or go back to a partial Call that I heard to speed things up. This is all very similar to HF Contesting while running a pileup. On the Linear Satellites, it is pretty straightforward. I go a fair amount away from the middle of the passband and put out my Call. It is usually obvious when you hear a response since I'm the only one there that a Station would be calling. We have a normal exchange and carry on. However, on the FM Satellites, it gets pretty chaotic at times since Stations often transmit on top of each other for reasons I won't go into here. In this case I need to hear my Call and their Call to ensure they are really calling ME, otherwise I become someone transmitting on top of some other Station. Once I'm sure they are calling me, I'll respond with their Call and my info. I'll roger that QSO quickly and WAIT to see if I get another call. Then, I'll wait a little more to see if other QSOs are going to take place and I'll put my Call out again if nothing transpires. I always avoid monopolizing an entire Pass. Sometimes, if I'm in a very rare Grid, there will be a non-stop stream of callers that I'll have to deal with. Unfortunately, with a single-channel bird, that's just the way it is since there may not be another operation there for quite a long time. Trying to make a Log in real time on a Grid Expedition is nearly impossible with only two hands and two feet. In my case, I'm doing everything manual in every respect. Wait for AOS and hear the Satellite and properly point the antenna and adjust the polarization and hear myself on the downlink and put out a call. Then, respond to the callers and tune the receiver and constantly maximize the downlink signal by adjusting the antenna azimuth, height and polarity. Continue doing all of this until LOS. In the South, you also have to deal with Sun and heat and sweat come down into your eyes and your glasses sliding down your nose. In the North, you must deal with the wind blowing over your tripod and little black flies and mosquitoes biting you or crawling into your ears and nose. Everywhere, there is always the chance that Police or Security Guards or curious onlookers or property owners will try to talk to you DURING a Pass or will park their vehicle directly in front of your antenna!! So, to avoid losing any QSOs during any/all of the confusion and happenstances of the above, I use a small digital recorder to make an audio record of each Pass. Later, I transcribe the contacts into a spiral notebook as a permanent record of my Grid Expeditions. If there is a question of whether a contact was actually made, the info is maintained on paper or I can re-listen to the captured audio. A recognizable reply from a Station-in-question's Call is good enough for me and I'll always give the benefit of the doubt in favor of a QSL. Faking a contact is only cheating one's self out of the real satisfaction of making a valid QSO with a needed Station. ?Amen. GL/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL ? ? (Portable from 77 Grids in US & Canada - so far!)? From: Kevin M via AMSAT-BB To: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 9:34 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO Protocol As far as valid QSOs for ARRL awards are concerned (DXCC/VUCC/WAS), they simply state a 'contact' must be made. But no where do they ever define what a contact consists of. They leave this definition up to the award applicant and the stations that he/she contacts. When asked, I have always explained a contact as, "I called you and you knew it was me, you answered and I knew it was you..." In short, as long as we both understand that we 'contacted' each other, then it's a contact. My point is, there is no specified rule that says a grid square or any other piece of information is exchanged. There is actually no rule that says the CALLSIGN must be EXCHANGED. A contact exists when the two parties involved in the communication agree that the contact happened... whether they exchange a 'QSL' on air, via e-mail, LotW or by USPS mail, if both parties agree that it took place... then it took place. The requirement for any more, is to saddle the participants with a burden to overcome the non-natural hindrances that can occur with high volume traffic over man made devices... i.e. satellites. If EME or meteor scatter operators want to place certain burdens upon themselves to ensure that their imaginations, tricks of the senses, or natural phenomena did not insert a bit of faux communication that did not actually take place, that is their perogative. BUT, why should one penalize a station and say that a contact did not take place simply because some guy with 50 watts and crap for a receiver decided to say, "Halllo! One, two, three, haaaalo!" over top of Jeeves while he was uttering his grid square. Further, since satellite passes are a time limited resource, why should we take away precious airtime from others by forcing a repeat of a piece of information that we likely already know, and at the very least can easily look up online, etc. Simply put... if I'm in a rare grid square working lots of stations on a frenzied pass and I hear a voice I recognize saying his/her callsign while obviously calling me, but someone keys on top of him in the middle of saying his callsign, is it really necessary for me to say, "Who is the Hotel Mike?" when I KNOW who it is? OR worse, stop to take the time to ask, 'What's your grid again, Paul?' - Paul knew it was me, I knew it was Paul, I'm simply going to say, "In the log, Paul," and call the next station. Common sense and basic trust in personal integrity goes a long way towards making life simpler and more enjoyable.... QSL?? 73!? N4UFO, EM95, over. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From quadpugh at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 3 19:13:17 2016 From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:13:17 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? In-Reply-To: <000101d21bed$636b2110$2a416330$@GMAIL.COM> References: <000101d21bed$636b2110$2a416330$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <009a01d21daa$33069180$9913b480$@bellsouth.net> I am also interested in a program to predict orbital decay nick Subject: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? Looking for a program called SatEvo by Alan Pickup which is used to predict decay rates. All my Google/Bing searches come up with links to: www.wingar.demon.co.uk/satevo or some variation, which is a dead link. Any current source? I have seen relatively recent postings of output from the program. 73s, Alan WA4SCA ----------------------------------- Keep Calm and Carry On _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13123 - Release Date: 10/01/16 From simon at sdr-radio.com Mon Oct 3 19:17:10 2016 From: simon at sdr-radio.com (Simon Brown) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 20:17:10 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? In-Reply-To: <009a01d21daa$33069180$9913b480$@bellsouth.net> References: <000101d21bed$636b2110$2a416330$@GMAIL.COM> <009a01d21daa$33069180$9913b480$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <00e601d21daa$bd4dbd00$37e93700$@sdr-radio.com> Nick, If you are interested this is a fine PDF which explains the theory: http://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Category/Educational/Space%20Weather/Space%20Weath er%20Effects/SatelliteOrbitalDecayCalculations.pdf As it shows, orbital decay is not an exact science. Simon Brown, GK4ELI http://sdr-radio.com -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Nick Pugh I am also interested in a program to predict orbital decay nick From va6bmj at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 20:44:35 2016 From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 20:44:35 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Survey of Small Payload Launchers Message-ID: http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/10/03/plethora-small-sat-launchers/ Rocket Lab is often mentioned in space news articles and may actually be flying something soon. Firefly's future is uncertain as it appears to have laid off its entire staff. 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL From david.n2teb at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 22:10:37 2016 From: david.n2teb at gmail.com (David Mennerich) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:10:37 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pre-Amp Help Message-ID: I recently purchased an Advanced Receiver Research 2M pre-amp to use when operating on the LEO SSB satellites. I purchased the SP144VDG (24 db gain, <1 NF). They don't offer the lower gain, higher noise figure 2M pre-amps anymore. I tried setting it up this weekend and when the pre-amp is on and I'm transmitting on the 70cm band, I'm getting a lot of audio distortion. When I tried this during a pass, my audio on 2M was barely readable because it was so distorted, but with the pre-amp off, I sounded fine. I'm currently using a 2m/70cm Arrow antenna mounted on a portable Yaesu G5500 Az/El setup. When I spoke with ARR, they suggested it was a desensitizing situation and it may be due to the 2M and 70CM antennas being so close to one another. Can anyone help or suggest some things I could try to eliminate this situation? Separate antennas? Some kind of filter before the pre-amp? The pre-amp sounds great when turned on, but right now it can't be used when I'm transmitting at the same time on 70cm, which doesn't help. Thanks, Dave N2TEB From zmetzing at pobox.com Mon Oct 3 22:26:23 2016 From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:26:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pre-Amp Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/03/16 17:10, David Mennerich wrote: > I recently purchased an Advanced Receiver Research 2M pre-amp to use when > operating on the LEO SSB satellites. I purchased the SP144VDG (24 db gain, > <1 NF). They don't offer the lower gain, higher noise figure 2M pre-amps > anymore. > > I tried setting it up this weekend and when the pre-amp is on and I'm > transmitting on the 70cm band, I'm getting a lot of audio distortion. When > I tried this during a pass, my audio on 2M was barely readable because it > was so distorted, but with the pre-amp off, I sounded fine. It sounds like the active devices in your 2m LNA is getting crushed by the output of the 70cm transmitter. You could try "A Simple Desense Filter for Mode-J Satellites" in reverse: you want to put the preamp and radio on the 2m side and leave the 70cm side unconnected. http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=2136 N0ZGO From bruninga at usna.edu Mon Oct 3 22:57:41 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 18:57:41 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HFSAT Duplexer design welcome Message-ID: HFSAT Duplexer design welcome, If anyone wants to take a shot at designing an HF Duplexer so that the single 29 MHz dipole can also be shared with the 21 MHz uplink, here is the schematic (maybe): http://aprs.org/hfsat/HF-duplexer-a.png It is my guess at how to build a trap and pass band on each side of the duplexer. But then I am not an RF designer at that level. The overall web page for HFSAT is: http://aprs.org/hfsat.html Bob, WB4APR From david.n2teb at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 01:23:33 2016 From: david.n2teb at gmail.com (David Mennerich) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:23:33 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pre-Amp Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Zach - I checked out that article and to my surprise I had a Comet CF-416 duplexer sitting in my box of radio parts down in the basement. I did a quick test of the setup down in my basement and was able to easily reproduce the desensitization scenario. Then I changed the wiring and ran from the antenna to the duplexer to the pre-amp to the radio. No more desensitization! I will fully test this out the next time I set up my portable satellite station - hopefully this upcoming weekend. Thanks to all of those that replied to me - I have other ideas I can experiment with as well based on your emails, but I'll start with this one and see if it works for me. 73, Dave On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Zach Metzinger wrote: > On 10/03/16 17:10, David Mennerich wrote: > > I recently purchased an Advanced Receiver Research 2M pre-amp to use when > > operating on the LEO SSB satellites. I purchased the SP144VDG (24 db > gain, > > <1 NF). They don't offer the lower gain, higher noise figure 2M pre-amps > > anymore. > > > > I tried setting it up this weekend and when the pre-amp is on and I'm > > transmitting on the 70cm band, I'm getting a lot of audio distortion. > When > > I tried this during a pass, my audio on 2M was barely readable because it > > was so distorted, but with the pre-amp off, I sounded fine. > > It sounds like the active devices in your 2m LNA is getting crushed by > the output of the 70cm transmitter. > > You could try "A Simple Desense Filter for Mode-J Satellites" in > reverse: you want to put the preamp and radio on the 2m side and leave > the 70cm side unconnected. > > http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=2136 > > N0ZGO > > > From AJ9N at aol.com Tue Oct 4 04:30:25 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 00:30:25 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-04 04:00 UTC Message-ID: <396cc6.5141945e.45248a60@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-04 04:00 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, direct via 9M2RPN The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Thu 2016-10-06 18:24:00 UTC 46 deg iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI (***) The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***) The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS (***) Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg (***) University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ (***) The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***) The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ (***) Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg (***) **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. *********** ******************************************************************* ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 122 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-04 04:00 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1085. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1050. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-01 20:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From quadpugh at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 4 09:10:09 2016 From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 04:10:09 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? In-Reply-To: <00e601d21daa$bd4dbd00$37e93700$@sdr-radio.com> References: <000101d21bed$636b2110$2a416330$@GMAIL.COM> <009a01d21daa$33069180$9913b480$@bellsouth.net> <00e601d21daa$bd4dbd00$37e93700$@sdr-radio.com> Message-ID: <00ea01d21e1f$1bb45bf0$531d13d0$@bellsouth.net> tnx Simon nick -----Original Message----- From: Simon Brown [mailto:simon at sdr-radio.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 2:17 PM To: 'Nick Pugh'; APBIDDLE at MAILAPS.ORG; 'AMSAT-BB' Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] SatEvo download? Nick, If you are interested this is a fine PDF which explains the theory: http://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Category/Educational/Space%20Weather/Space%20Weath er%20Effects/SatelliteOrbitalDecayCalculations.pdf As it shows, orbital decay is not an exact science. Simon Brown, GK4ELI http://sdr-radio.com -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Nick Pugh I am also interested in a program to predict orbital decay nick ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13138 - Release Date: 10/03/16 From k6lcsclint at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 02:38:43 2016 From: k6lcsclint at gmail.com (Clint Bradford) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 19:38:43 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Palm Springs HamFest 2017 Message-ID: <08620489-F7A3-47DE-8E53-4238A6B79EAD@gmail.com> The 2017 Palm Springs Hamfest will be held at the beautiful Palm Springs Air Museum on Saturday, February 4, 2017 from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. We will have satellite passes to work throughout the day, and a presentation of the "How to Work Amateur Satellites With Your HT" show at 11:00am in the Major General Ken Miles Aviation Science Center at the Museum. Address for the Museum is 745 North Gene Autry Trail, Palm Springs, CA 92262. VE testing will be available this year from 9:00 a.m. to 1 p.m. Admission: Presale price is $8 and $10 at the door. Price includes admission to the Air Museum exhibits as well. Where else can you get a day?s worth of entertainment and education for that little amount? The HamFest's Web site is being updated daily - http://palmspringshamfest.com Other upcoming satellite presentations ... free admission to all these clubs' meetings! Tuesday October 11, 2016, 7:00 PM Victor Valley Amateur Radio Club Wednesday, October 12, 2016, 7:00 PM Tri-County (Inland Empire, CA) ARA Monday, November 14, 2016 Rio Hondo Amateur Radio Club https://www.facebook.com/groups/RHARC/ Friday, November 18, 2016 Orange County Amateur Radio Association More details at http://www.work-sat.com From hamsat at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 4 12:42:28 2016 From: hamsat at xs4all.nl (Nico Janssen) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 14:42:28 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham identified In-Reply-To: <3c6edbb2-fbdf-f284-59d4-09dda0f23549@xs4all.nl> References: <3c6edbb2-fbdf-f284-59d4-09dda0f23549@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: All, As a result of further cross-tagging, the TLE set for Pratham is now published under object 41783, 2016-059A. AlSat 1N is still object 41789, 2016-059G. 73, Nico PA0DLO On 30-09-16 14:01, Nico Janssen wrote: > All, > > Detailed doppler measurements show that Pratham is object 41791, > 2016-059J. > > This is based on the most recent TLE sets, that were published by > the JSpOC. Unfortunately the collection of TLE sets for the PSLV-C35 > launch is not stable yet. The JSpOC continues to cross-tag TLE sets > and to make major changes to some of the TLE sets. So some further > changes may be expected in the coming days. > > The JSpOC has not yet identified any of the objects from the PSLV-C35 > launch. It seems quite obvious however that ScatSat is object 41790, > 2016-059H. > > 73, > Nico PA0DLO > > > From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 13:47:55 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 08:47:55 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? Message-ID: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> Greetings all. I have not seen much chatter on the BB about the Symposium and just wondering who all here is going? We are. This will be my first one and am looking forward to it. Chad KG0MW En-13 Sent from my iPhone From pedro at dutrasousa.name Tue Oct 4 13:59:34 2016 From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:59:34 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? In-Reply-To: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20161004135934.Horde.7O6PBiHa29AoYQbZLKmXIod@webmail.satavirtual.org> Hi, Same here. 73 CU2ZG Pedro HM77 Quoting Chad Phillips : > Greetings all. I have not seen much chatter on the BB about the > Symposium and just wondering who all here is going? > > We are. This will be my first one and am looking forward to it. > > Chad > KG0MW > En-13 > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:08:12 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:08:12 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Symposium-Who is going? References: <4f932880-b9ee-53e2-ec82-44cf1bf4de37@amsat.org> Message-ID: <2C833098-916A-4B6A-87DA-74A935424A28@gmail.com> Hi Bruce, We certainly are excited. My wife and I were just on the Liberty last Feb. really nice ship. Looking forward to it all. Chad Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Bruce > Date: October 4, 2016 at 9:00:43 AM CDT > To: Chad Phillips > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? > Reply-To: kk5do at amsat.org > > my wife and i are going. you chose a good one to make your first. should be a lot of fun. > 73...bruce > >> On 10/4/2016 8:47 AM, Chad Phillips wrote: >> Greetings all. I have not seen much chatter on the BB about the Symposium and just wondering who all here is going? >> >> We are. This will be my first one and am looking forward to it. >> >> Chad >> KG0MW >> En-13 >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > > -- > > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards > AMSAT Board Member 2016-2018 > AMSAT Board Alternate 2015-2016 > ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* > Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com > Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes > Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News > http://www.arrl.org > > AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat > From wa6fwf at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 15:18:13 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 08:18:13 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem Message-ID: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved it worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed it looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything making it in. Thanks Kevin From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net Tue Oct 4 15:48:35 2016 From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:48:35 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin, I used FoxTelem last night to upload telemetry from a pass without problems. I didn't upload the telemetry "live" during the pass, but used a recording from my SDR software piped into FoxTelem to send the telemetry later in the evening. I saw the frames show up for my call on the http://amsat.org/tlm/ page (WD9EWK-DM43). Did something uncheck the "Upload to server" box in the FoxTelem settings? 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:18 PM, kevin schuchmann wrote: > Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved it > worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed it > looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything making it > in. > > Thanks > Kevin > > From w5pfg at amsat.org Tue Oct 4 16:03:33 2016 From: w5pfg at amsat.org (Clayton W5PFG) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 11:03:33 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? In-Reply-To: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> References: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86d50327-7656-7bff-c4ba-62f0de5c3260@amsat.org> We have an amazing group of individuals attending the Symposium this year. There are amateur radio operators coming from all over the world. There are people who have played key roles in the development and successful missions of the past and future. People who represent worldwide projects, not just AMSAT-NA will be there. Some of the most active operators in the US will be in attendance. A few of the attendees have already received their IARP so they can operate from aboard the ship. Many attendees are traveling with their families and friends. This is a unique venue. Things may be different than in past Symposiums. Come with an open mind and be prepared to meet a lot of interesting people. The presentation schedule, soon to be published, is a little lighter than in past years (10 on the docket.) That being said, multiple projects are underway and there will be plenty to discuss. See you there, 73 Clayton W5PFG On 10/4/2016 08:47, Chad Phillips wrote: > Greetings all. I have not seen much chatter on the BB about the Symposium and just wondering who all here is going? > > We are. This will be my first one and am looking forward to it. > > Chad > KG0MW > En-13 From wa6fwf at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:07:24 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:07:24 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f6b63e7-de34-0590-cb9b-0ffd226d9a32@gmail.com> Patrick, I checked that the box was checked, and while it is decoding live I see the Queued blip with a 1 then zero so it looks like it is sending something out. I have seen your call in the "from ground stations" but I never see mine, I have tried removing and re-installing foxtelem, kinda at a loss as to whats happening. Thanks for the suggestions 73 Kevin On 10/4/2016 8:48 AM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote: > Kevin, > > I used FoxTelem last night to upload telemetry from > a pass without problems. I didn't upload the telemetry > "live" during the pass, but used a recording from my > SDR software piped into FoxTelem to send the telemetry > later in the evening. I saw the frames show up for my > call on the http://amsat.org/tlm/ page (WD9EWK-DM43). > Did something uncheck the "Upload to server" box in the > FoxTelem settings? > > 73! > > > > > Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK > http://www.wd9ewk.net/ > Twitter: @WD9EWK > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:18 PM, kevin schuchmann wrote: > >> Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved it >> worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed it >> looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything making it >> in. >> >> Thanks >> Kevin >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n0jy at amsat.org Tue Oct 4 16:08:18 2016 From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 11:08:18 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> Kevin, Did you change your station Groundstation Name in the settings? A Groundstation Name that has spaces in it e.g. N0JY Home will not show on the server. You need to fill e.g. N0JY-Home or N0JY_Home. Jerry Buxton, N?JY On 10/4/2016 10:18, kevin schuchmann wrote: > Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved > it worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed > it looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything > making it in. > > Thanks > Kevin > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:32:51 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 11:32:51 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? In-Reply-To: <86d50327-7656-7bff-c4ba-62f0de5c3260@amsat.org> References: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> <86d50327-7656-7bff-c4ba-62f0de5c3260@amsat.org> Message-ID: I highly suggest that everyone try Guys Burger Joint on the Lido deck. Hands down the best burgers ever. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Clayton W5PFG wrote: > > We have an amazing group of individuals attending the Symposium this year. There are amateur radio operators coming from all over the world. > > There are people who have played key roles in the development and successful missions of the past and future. People who represent worldwide projects, not just AMSAT-NA will be there. > > Some of the most active operators in the US will be in attendance. A few of the attendees have already received their IARP so they can operate from aboard the ship. > > Many attendees are traveling with their families and friends. > > This is a unique venue. Things may be different than in past Symposiums. Come with an open mind and be prepared to meet a lot of interesting people. The presentation schedule, soon to be published, is a little lighter than in past years (10 on the docket.) That being said, multiple projects are underway and there will be plenty to discuss. > > See you there, > > 73 > Clayton > W5PFG > >> On 10/4/2016 08:47, Chad Phillips wrote: >> Greetings all. I have not seen much chatter on the BB about the Symposium and just wondering who all here is going? >> >> We are. This will be my first one and am looking forward to it. >> >> Chad >> KG0MW >> En-13 > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa6fwf at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:34:56 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:34:56 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> Message-ID: <21ad72d2-2ab2-cf0f-2b4d-4ac9f0aa9ea9@gmail.com> Jerry, I do not think I had any spaces in there but I just deleted it and re-entered my call sign, I have tried both upper and lower case for my call sign. 73 Kevin On 10/4/2016 9:08 AM, Jerry Buxton wrote: > Kevin, > > Did you change your station Groundstation Name in the settings? A > Groundstation Name that has spaces in it e.g. N0JY Home will not show on > the server. You need to fill e.g. N0JY-Home or N0JY_Home. > > Jerry Buxton, N?JY > > On 10/4/2016 10:18, kevin schuchmann wrote: >> Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved >> it worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed >> it looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything >> making it in. >> >> Thanks >> Kevin >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa4sca at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:37:10 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 11:37:10 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> Message-ID: <000601d21e5d$922c3c10$b684b430$@GMAIL.COM> Jerry, There are some reporters with spaces which show: N7DJX Earth Sputnix R2ANF AF5VH - DM65 W4IMT Eugenio Urban Johansson Chris FN30 The problem is that when they show in the "From ground stations" at the top, you don't see an packets when you click on the link, even though they are reflected in the main list. According to Chris. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved <> it worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed <> it looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything <> making it in. <> <> Thanks <> Kevin <> _______________________________________________ <> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <> Opinions expressed <> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <> of AMSAT-NA. <> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <> program! <> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <> <> < <_______________________________________________ References: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> <86d50327-7656-7bff-c4ba-62f0de5c3260@amsat.org> Message-ID: <1245309344.9446412.1475603333660@mail.yahoo.com> Satellite Aficionados, Due to a scheduled knee replacement, I will not be participating in this year's Symposium/Cruise. However, since all the Sat Ops will be on the Ship, I volunteer to be one of the few stations still at home for you all to have someone to contact. ? ;-) BTW, I've been to Cozumel several times and found it to be a very nice place for shore excursions. I recommend the Dune Buggy Tour which circumnavigates the island and makes a number of interesting stops at beaches, a lunch/bar, scenic viewpoints and a Tequila distillary offering generous samples. Vehicles are standard shift. Motorscooters are readily available for rental if you want to venture on your own. But, extreme caution is necessary since the main town is very busy and the traffic uses "Mexican Rules" - whoever gets there first has the right of way. Via con Dios! GL/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL ?? From: Chad Phillips To: Clayton W5PFG Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? I highly suggest that everyone try Guys Burger Joint on the Lido deck. Hands down the best burgers ever. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Clayton W5PFG wrote: > > We have an amazing group of individuals attending the Symposium this year. There are amateur radio operators coming from all over the world. > > There are people who have played key roles in the development and successful missions of the past and future. People who represent worldwide projects, not just AMSAT-NA will be there. > > Some of the most active operators in the US will be in attendance. A few of the attendees have already received their IARP so they can operate from aboard the ship. > > Many attendees are traveling with their families and friends. > > This is a unique venue. Things may be different than in past Symposiums. Come with an open mind and be prepared to meet a lot of interesting people. The presentation schedule, soon to be published, is a little lighter than in past years (10 on the docket.) That being said, multiple projects are underway and there will be plenty to discuss. > > See you there, > > 73 > Clayton > W5PFG > >> On 10/4/2016 08:47, Chad Phillips wrote: >> Greetings all. I have not seen much chatter on the BB about the Symposium and just wondering who all here is going? >> >> We are. This will be my first one and am looking forward to it. >> >> Chad >> KG0MW >> En-13 > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k3sv at pa.net Tue Oct 4 19:54:20 2016 From: k3sv at pa.net (Bill Gillenwater) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:54:20 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List Message-ID: Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. Thanks, 73 Bill K3SV From glasbrenner at mindspring.com Tue Oct 4 20:04:10 2016 From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 16:04:10 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D808FF8-7E01-406E-B8F6-2D16530BAB5E@mindspring.com> http://www.amsat.org/status/ is a good place to see what's popular and working. 73, Drew KO4MA > On Oct 4, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Bill Gillenwater wrote: > > Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. > > Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. > > Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. > > Thanks, > 73 Bill K3SV > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 20:08:06 2016 From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 15:08:06 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57f40c23.532e240a.98535.91cb@mx.google.com> Hi Bill, Perhaps these pages will reveal the information you are looking for: Communications Satellites (including frequencies) http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177 Telemetry Satellites http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=179 The Oscar Status page provides latest reports: http://www.amsat.org/status/ -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm at amsat.org > -----Original Message----- > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bill > Gillenwater > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:54 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List > > Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. > > Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. > > Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. > > Thanks, > 73 Bill K3SV > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k3sv at pa.net Tue Oct 4 20:28:54 2016 From: k3sv at pa.net (Bill Gillenwater) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 16:28:54 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: <57f40c23.532e240a.98535.91cb@mx.google.com> References: <57f40c23.532e240a.98535.91cb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <55DF7A7D-BA79-4F77-9CF7-FBEA25D7A671@pa.net> Thanks all. I had this bookmarked on laptop. Should have tried that first. 73 Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:08 PM, JoAnne K9JKM wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Perhaps these pages will reveal the information you are looking for: > > Communications Satellites (including frequencies) > http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177 > > Telemetry Satellites > http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=179 > > The Oscar Status page provides latest reports: > http://www.amsat.org/status/ > > -- > 73 de JoAnne K9JKM > k9jkm at amsat.org > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bill >> Gillenwater >> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:54 PM >> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List >> >> Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. >> >> Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. >> >> Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. >> >> Thanks, >> 73 Bill K3SV >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From vk4tec at tech-software.net Tue Oct 4 21:47:59 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 07:47:59 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92968489-5F07-4E68-B4E0-2E69CD78E846@tech-software.net> I have volunteered and asked for access to the AMSAT web site No response Andrew ----------------------------- Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e vk4tec at tech-software.net w www.tech-software.net m 0419 738 223 > On 5 Oct. 2016, at 05:54, Bill Gillenwater wrote: > > Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. > > Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. > > Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. > > Thanks, > 73 Bill K3SV > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net Tue Oct 4 22:30:52 2016 From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:30:52 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale Message-ID: <3c135134-e107-6dfe-8740-a3f9d22a3bec@burlingtontelecom.net> Posting for a friend. For Sale: Yaesu FT-847. Includes MD-100 Desk Mic, and SP-8 External Speaker. FC-20 Auto-tuner is installed. Contact W1AIM via his email address listed on QRZ for details. -- 73, Mike, N1JEZ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" From dave at druidnetworks.com Tue Oct 4 22:46:43 2016 From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:46:43 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: <92968489-5F07-4E68-B4E0-2E69CD78E846@tech-software.net> References: <92968489-5F07-4E68-B4E0-2E69CD78E846@tech-software.net> Message-ID: Andrew, Do you think that the 17 times you've asked for administrator privileges to the AMSAT website in public just since September 13th didn't get your point across? The question was obviously rhetorical since here you are in someone elses thread with your 'OMG LOOK AT ME I CAN HAZ TYPING TOO!1!' reply. I have no official position within AMSAT, but at this point as an IT professional myself, I would have serious reservations about continuing to support AMSAT if they DID give you access to modify the website. You obviously have nothing else better to do with your time but troll a group dedicated to making a hobby more enjoyable for it's members. Congratulations on fitting perfectly into the stereotypical "know-it-all-but-can't-tie-my-shoes" IT guy mold. You're the reason I have to spend half of my day just being nice to people that IT guy's have upset because they don't have any common decency. TL:DR: Piss off. -Dave, KG5CCI On Oct 4, 2016 4:48 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: > I have volunteered and asked for access to the AMSAT web site > > No response > > Andrew > > ----------------------------- > Sent from my iPhone > Andrew Rich > e vk4tec at tech-software.net > w www.tech-software.net > m 0419 738 223 > > > On 5 Oct. 2016, at 05:54, Bill Gillenwater wrote: > > > > Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. > > > > Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. > > > > Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. > > > > Thanks, > > 73 Bill K3SV > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 22:51:54 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:51:54 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: References: <92968489-5F07-4E68-B4E0-2E69CD78E846@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <98BA20B6-65F3-4104-9994-A851943AD05D@gmail.com> The status page is a great resource. I am using it now to create a schedule for this weekend. Chad KG0MW Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2016, at 5:46 PM, David Swanson wrote: > > Andrew, > > Do you think that the 17 times you've asked for administrator privileges to > the AMSAT website in public just since September 13th didn't get your > point across? The question was obviously rhetorical since here you are in > someone elses thread with your 'OMG LOOK AT ME I CAN HAZ TYPING TOO!1!' > reply. > > I have no official position within AMSAT, but at this point as an IT > professional myself, I would have serious reservations about continuing to > support AMSAT if they DID give you access to modify the website. You > obviously have nothing else better to do with your time but troll a group > dedicated to making a hobby more enjoyable for it's members. > Congratulations on fitting perfectly into the stereotypical > "know-it-all-but-can't-tie-my-shoes" IT guy mold. You're the reason I have > to spend half of my day just being nice to people that IT guy's have upset > because they don't have any common decency. > > TL:DR: Piss off. > > -Dave, KG5CCI > >> On Oct 4, 2016 4:48 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: >> >> I have volunteered and asked for access to the AMSAT web site >> >> No response >> >> Andrew >> >> ----------------------------- >> Sent from my iPhone >> Andrew Rich >> e vk4tec at tech-software.net >> w www.tech-software.net >> m 0419 738 223 >> >>> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 05:54, Bill Gillenwater wrote: >>> >>> Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. >>> >>> Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. >>> >>> Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> 73 Bill K3SV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k8bl at ameritech.net Tue Oct 4 23:38:59 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 23:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Misc. In-Reply-To: <1245309344.9446412.1475603333660@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5DE48B1F-CF0B-4F67-87CD-2CDC47F1FC51@gmail.com> <86d50327-7656-7bff-c4ba-62f0de5c3260@amsat.org> <1245309344.9446412.1475603333660@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2028775061.9660066.1475624339297@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry if this is a resend. I never saw it come to me. ?-BL ----- Forwarded Message ----- Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? Satellite Aficionados, Due to a scheduled knee replacement, I will not be participating in this year's Symposium/Cruise. However, since all the Sat Ops will be on the Ship, I volunteer to be one of the few stations still at home for you all to have someone to contact. ? ;-) BTW, I've been to Cozumel several times and found it to be a very nice place for shore excursions. I recommend the Dune Buggy Tour which circumnavigates the island and makes a number of interesting stops at beaches, a lunch/bar, scenic viewpoints and a Tequila distillary offering generous samples. Vehicles are standard shift. Motorscooters are readily available for rental if you want to venture on your own. But, extreme caution is necessary since the main town is very busy and the traffic uses "Mexican Rules" - whoever gets there first has the right of way. Via con Dios! GL/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL ?? From: Chad Phillips Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Symposium-Who is going? I highly suggest that everyone try Guys Burger Joint on the Lido deck. Hands down the best burgers ever. > On Oct 4, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Clayton W5PFG wrote: > We have an amazing group of individuals attending the Symposium this year. There are amateur radio operators coming from all over the world. > There are people who have played key roles in the development and successful missions of the past and future. People who represent worldwide projects, not just AMSAT-NA will be there. > Some of the most active operators in the US will be in attendance. A few of the attendees have already received their IARP so they can operate from aboard the ship. > Many attendees are traveling with their families and friends. > This is a unique venue. Things may be different than in past Symposiums. Come with an open mind and be prepared to meet a lot of interesting people. The presentation schedule, soon to be published, is a little lighter than in past years (10 on the docket.) That being said, multiple projects are underway and there will be plenty to discuss. > See you there, > 73> Clayton> W5PFG From vk4tec at tech-software.net Wed Oct 5 00:26:25 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:26:25 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: References: <92968489-5F07-4E68-B4E0-2E69CD78E846@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <8B7935FE-1C0F-4AE6-92D4-57EA430416F2@tech-software.net> I am sorry you feel that way I am more than capable of editing a few web pages Cheers ------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net e vk4tec at tech-software.net m +61 (4) 19 738 223 m 0419738223 > On 5 Oct 2016, at 8:46 AM, David Swanson wrote: > > Andrew, > > Do you think that the 17 times you've asked for administrator privileges to the AMSAT website in public just since September 13th didn't get your point across? The question was obviously rhetorical since here you are in someone elses thread with your 'OMG LOOK AT ME I CAN HAZ TYPING TOO!1!' reply. > > I have no official position within AMSAT, but at this point as an IT professional myself, I would have serious reservations about continuing to support AMSAT if they DID give you access to modify the website. You obviously have nothing else better to do with your time but troll a group dedicated to making a hobby more enjoyable for it's members. Congratulations on fitting perfectly into the stereotypical "know-it-all-but-can't-tie-my-shoes" IT guy mold. You're the reason I have to spend half of my day just being nice to people that IT guy's have upset because they don't have any common decency. > > TL:DR: Piss off. > > -Dave, KG5CCI > > > On Oct 4, 2016 4:48 PM, "Andrew Rich" > wrote: > I have volunteered and asked for access to the AMSAT web site > > No response > > Andrew > > ----------------------------- > Sent from my iPhone > Andrew Rich > e vk4tec at tech-software.net > w www.tech-software.net > m 0419 738 223 > > > On 5 Oct. 2016, at 05:54, Bill Gillenwater > wrote: > > > > Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. > > > > Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. > > > > Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. > > > > Thanks, > > 73 Bill K3SV > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa6fwf at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 00:46:28 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:46:28 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> Message-ID: <971b7aac-c82d-8960-2495-cb2144dfa6df@gmail.com> Thank You to everyone that made suggestions, it's working now but I'm not sure what the fix was, I deleted everything related to foxtelem off my pc and re-installed it and then used lower case wa6fwf and it is working... 73 Kevin From lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com Wed Oct 5 14:53:58 2016 From: lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com (Lee Ernstrom) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 08:53:58 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] Lost QSOs Message-ID: On October 2, 2016 while I was maritime mobile in FN61 during the UTC time of 1948 - 1959 I worked a bunch of stations on SO50. My recorder, however, failed on me ( I must have hit the stop button) so I lost the record for most of the qsos I made. I do remember working wc7v, w5pfg, nx9b, and n8hm. There were several others. If you were one of those I worked then please respond via this email address: lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com so that I can record the contacts in my paper log. Thanks, Doc, C6AQD/MM PS. I will upload my qsos to LOTW using the call C6AQD (no /MM). Anyone who wishes to receive a paper QSL please email me and I will send you one. No need for your card or sase. From n0jy at amsat.org Wed Oct 5 15:30:27 2016 From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:30:27 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] fox telem In-Reply-To: <000601d21e5d$922c3c10$b684b430$@GMAIL.COM> References: <29394e51-84f2-fee6-18b3-17ccd40cbaea@gmail.com> <89f433e3-f23e-ea2d-2d71-a0f26bb7e756@amsat.org> <000601d21e5d$922c3c10$b684b430$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: Thanks for the correction, Alan. I recall have trouble with something like "Fox Labs" in the beginning, perhaps that existed way back then and was fixed, perhaps I just need to be fixed! :-D Jerry Buxton, N?JY On 10/4/2016 11:37, Alan wrote: > Jerry, > > There are some reporters with spaces which show: > > N7DJX Earth > Sputnix R2ANF > AF5VH - DM65 > W4IMT Eugenio > Urban Johansson > Chris FN30 > > The problem is that when they show in the "From ground stations" at the top, you don't see an packets > when you click on the link, even though they are reflected in the main list. According to Chris. > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > > > > <-----Original Message----- > < > < > < > < > <> Anyone having any issues with foxtelem uploading data? before I moved > <> it worked fine, now that I have moved and my location data has changed > <> it looks to be sending data but the leaderboard never shows anything > <> making it in. > <> > <> Thanks > <> Kevin > <> _______________________________________________ > <> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > <> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > <> Opinions expressed > <> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > <> of AMSAT-NA. > <> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > <> program! > <> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > <> > <> > < > <_______________________________________________ > > > > From k3sv at pa.net Wed Oct 5 15:52:21 2016 From: k3sv at pa.net (Bill Gillenwater) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:52:21 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List In-Reply-To: <57f40c23.532e240a.98535.91cb@mx.google.com> References: <57f40c23.532e240a.98535.91cb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8B577AE459E2452B820D8D105EE56723@BillPC> Thanks for all the replies. Very helpful. Caught up and ready! 73 Bill K3SV -------------------------------------------------- From: "JoAnne K9JKM" Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 4:08 PM To: "'Bill Gillenwater'" ; Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List > Hi Bill, > > Perhaps these pages will reveal the information you are looking for: > > Communications Satellites (including frequencies) > http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177 > > Telemetry Satellites > http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=179 > > The Oscar Status page provides latest reports: > http://www.amsat.org/status/ > > -- > 73 de JoAnne K9JKM > k9jkm at amsat.org > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bill >> Gillenwater >> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:54 PM >> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Manageable Sat List >> >> Have been away from sats for a few months. Have seen new sat postings. >> >> Looking for a list of sats to populate my SATpc32 software. >> >> Have FO29, AO7, SO50, but would like to get current with some monitoring. >> >> Thanks, >> 73 Bill K3SV >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7797 / Virus Database: 4656/13147 - Release Date: 10/04/16 > From aayushyadav825 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:01:07 2016 From: aayushyadav825 at gmail.com (Aayush Yadav) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 21:31:07 +0530 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <479663765.533929.1473274174846@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello all, Pratham has been identified as object 41783, 2016-059A. However we have not been able to track the satellite with these TLE's. If you could please track the satellite with these TLE's and confirm with us it would be really appreciable. Thank you. Kind regards. Team Pratham! On Sunday 25 September 2016, Aayush Yadav wrote: > Hello all, > > We are glad to inform you that Pratham, IITB's Student Satellite is > expected to launch with the help of PSLV-C35 on 26th September, 2016 at > 9:12 AM. > ?? > The following are the TLE data for the satellite: > > 16005A 16270.25119097 0.00000311 00000-0 59418-4 0 > 1232 > 98.2057 329.0542 0028038 267.7677 9.1998 14.63716875 11 > > Any update in these will be notified at the earliest. We would love you > all to be a part of the project and help us in tracking our satellite. > There are basically two downlink for the satellite, The beacon is > estimated to switch on in the window of 25-30 degrees North and 4-8 degrees > East as per the current TLE's. Once switched on, it will remain so through > out it's orbit. The telemetry data will be switched on only over France and > India because of our power constraints. If you could, please receive the > beacon and/or telemetry of the satellite and report back to the mail id's > as given below. The information for the satellite transmissions is given > below, > > Beacon: > Frequency: 145.98 MHz > Modulation: CW > Words per minute: 30 > Power Emitted: 0.2 W (23 dBm) > > Telemetry: > To be switched on only over India and France > Modulation: FSK > Rate: 1200 bps > Power Emitted: 0.06 W (18 dBm) > > For any other Information you may visit our website > . Also feel free to contact our > Communication and Ground station team, (Rachana Agarwal, > rachna.agrawal.04 at gmail.com > ; and Aayush > Yadav, aayushyadav825 at gmail.com > ) for any > queries you may have. > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Aayush Yadav > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Thank you for your wishes. >> >> The FSK downlink contains only the health monitoring data of the >> satellite and is used for payload calculations. IPGP university in france >> requested us for the payload data for their scientific research thus we are >> switching on the telemetry only over India and France. >> >> However the CW beacon will be on through out the orbit and can be >> received from anywhere. >> >> Kind regards, >> Team Pratham >> >> >> On Thursday 8 September 2016, Nitin Muttin > > wrote: >> >>> Hi Team Pratham, >>> >>> Thanks for the update and will look forward for a successful launch and >>> deployment of your satellite. Please share why the FSK downlink on 437.455 >>> Mhz is activated over France and India. >>> >>> 73 >>> Nitin [VU3TYG] >>> Secretary, AMSAT INDIA >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Aayush Yadav >>> *To:* "amsat-bb at amsat.org" >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 10:25 PM >>> *Subject:* [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite >>> >>> Greetings everyone, >>> >>> We, students of IIT Bombay, are glad to inform you that our project, >>> Pratham, is ready and expected to launch with PSLV-C35 in the last week >>> of >>> September. We would be really happy if you all joined us in receiving >>> our >>> satellite's beacon, details given below: >>> >>> Beacon: >>> Mode: CW >>> wpm: 35 words >>> Frequency: 145.980 MHz >>> >>> Downlink: >>> Mode: FSK >>> Baudrate: 1200 bps >>> Frequency: 437.455 MHz >>> (To be switched on over France and India only) >>> >>> We will update the information as soon as TLE's will be available. >>> >>> Kind Regards. >>> Team Pratham >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> >>> > From wi7p at emeshack.com Wed Oct 5 18:19:16 2016 From: wi7p at emeshack.com (wi7p at emeshack.com) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] on so50 Oct 7 8 from SD & NE Message-ID: <20161005111916.c73761548b85b4dae99b2c259bd5f722.2ea0e466c4.wbe@email12.godaddy.com> Look for me on so50 from DN91 DN92 DN93 DN83. Badlands NP and Minuteman Missile NHS. Between Oct 8 and 16 I may be on from MN WI OH KY TN KS. Mammoth Cave NP Oct 13 14.gggg 73 Randy From pe0sat at vgnet.nl Wed Oct 5 18:53:26 2016 From: pe0sat at vgnet.nl (PE0SAT | Amateur Radio) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:53:26 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <479663765.533929.1473274174846@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9043f2fd02258c7fdc1693332d031fb0@vgnet.nl> Hi Team, Listened yesterday evening (04-10-2016) and tonight (05-10-2016) no signals received. Not on 145.980/CW nor on 437.455/AFSK The satellite was in eclipse on both occasions. With regards, Jan van Gils - PE0SAT On 05-10-2016 18:01, Aayush Yadav wrote: > Hello all, > > Pratham has been identified as object 41783, 2016-059A. However we > have not > been able to track the satellite with these TLE's. If you could please > track the satellite with these TLE's and confirm with us it would be > really > appreciable. Thank you. > > Kind regards. > Team Pratham! > > On Sunday 25 September 2016, Aayush Yadav > wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> We are glad to inform you that Pratham, IITB's Student Satellite is >> expected to launch with the help of PSLV-C35 on 26th September, 2016 >> at >> 9:12 AM. >> ?? >> The following are the TLE data for the satellite: >> >> 16005A 16270.25119097 0.00000311 00000-0 59418-4 >> 0 >> 1232 >> 98.2057 329.0542 0028038 267.7677 9.1998 14.63716875 >> 11 >> >> Any update in these will be notified at the earliest. We would love >> you >> all to be a part of the project and help us in tracking our >> satellite. >> There are basically two downlink for the satellite, The beacon is >> estimated to switch on in the window of 25-30 degrees North and 4-8 >> degrees >> East as per the current TLE's. Once switched on, it will remain so >> through >> out it's orbit. The telemetry data will be switched on only over >> France and >> India because of our power constraints. If you could, please receive >> the >> beacon and/or telemetry of the satellite and report back to the mail >> id's >> as given below. The information for the satellite transmissions is >> given >> below, >> >> Beacon: >> Frequency: 145.98 MHz >> Modulation: CW >> Words per minute: 30 >> Power Emitted: 0.2 W (23 dBm) >> >> Telemetry: >> To be switched on only over India and France >> Modulation: FSK >> Rate: 1200 bps >> Power Emitted: 0.06 W (18 dBm) >> >> For any other Information you may visit our website >> . Also feel free to contact our >> Communication and Ground station team, (Rachana Agarwal, >> rachna.agrawal.04 at gmail.com >> ; and >> Aayush >> Yadav, aayushyadav825 at gmail.com >> ) for any >> queries you may have. >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Aayush Yadav >> > > wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Thank you for your wishes. >>> >>> The FSK downlink contains only the health monitoring data of the >>> satellite and is used for payload calculations. IPGP university in >>> france >>> requested us for the payload data for their scientific research thus >>> we are >>> switching on the telemetry only over India and France. >>> >>> However the CW beacon will be on through out the orbit and can be >>> received from anywhere. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Team Pratham >>> >>> >>> On Thursday 8 September 2016, Nitin Muttin >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Team Pratham, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the update and will look forward for a successful launch >>>> and >>>> deployment of your satellite. Please share why the FSK downlink on >>>> 437.455 >>>> Mhz is activated over France and India. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Nitin [VU3TYG] >>>> Secretary, AMSAT INDIA >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Aayush Yadav >>>> *To:* "amsat-bb at amsat.org" >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 10:25 PM >>>> *Subject:* [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite >>>> >>>> Greetings everyone, >>>> >>>> We, students of IIT Bombay, are glad to inform you that our >>>> project, >>>> Pratham, is ready and expected to launch with PSLV-C35 in the last >>>> week >>>> of >>>> September. We would be really happy if you all joined us in >>>> receiving >>>> our >>>> satellite's beacon, details given below: >>>> >>>> Beacon: >>>> Mode: CW >>>> wpm: 35 words >>>> Frequency: 145.980 MHz >>>> >>>> Downlink: >>>> Mode: FSK >>>> Baudrate: 1200 bps >>>> Frequency: 437.455 MHz >>>> (To be switched on over France and India only) >>>> >>>> We will update the information as soon as TLE's will be available. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards. >>>> Team Pratham >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum >>>> available >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>>> Opinions expressed >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official >>>> views of >>>> AMSAT-NA. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: >>>> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/ DK3WN SatBlog http://www.dk3wn.info/p/ irc://chat.freenode.net #Cubesat - Twitter @pe0sat From va6bmj at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:43:44 2016 From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 19:43:44 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Video Of Blue Origin's Abort Test Message-ID: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohd26UDkOII Everything worked well and the booster returned intact. Nice for it to happen on the anniversary of Sputnik. 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL From onmontauk at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 21:02:01 2016 From: onmontauk at gmail.com (Steve A) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:02:01 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] symposium Message-ID: What are your plans? When is the ISS Tour of NASA? I plan on renting a car a week before the symposium, and staying a week after. Anyone want to explore the area with me. I got room for 2 or 3. Steve Akkala W2AKK w2akk at arrl.org From bruninga at usna.edu Wed Oct 5 22:51:52 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 18:51:52 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? Message-ID: AMSAT tinkerers? OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See http://aprs.org/outnet.html Bob, WB4APR From scott23192 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 23:25:43 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 19:25:43 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob & everyone. I have a partially obscured view at the angle required for geostationary satellites but was curious to see if I could get Outernet's signal from Inmarsat 4-F3, which is where Outernet's transmission originates from in this area (USA East Coast). For background, I had used a variety of antennas (patch, vivaldi, DirecTV dish repurposed) to receive some of the various data streams from Inmarsat 4-F3 in the past, with varying results. I ordered the combination patch antenna / LNA / SDR that Outernet has assembled optimized for L-Band. That left only the software side to configure. The first option was zero-cost, which was to attempt to decode the Outernet feed using their guided software install for an existing Linux computer. This consisted of a number of apps working in concert. The "receiver" portion worked properly - I did see a reasonable SNR and mostly error-free data stream. Unfortunately, I never decoded any content with the other apps either due to their alpha or beta stage of development or my lack of linux expertise. However, at the same time I was corresponding with a couple of other hams who saw similar results with the "add on" apps for a working linux computer. I have not dug any deeper with that method so as of now, for all I know that branch of the software might have improved. In stark contrast to my lack of success with the linux method was a turnkey boot image that Outernet makes available for you to write to an SD card for use in a Raspberry Pi. Consisting of a fairly lite linux OS, plus all the apps required and optimized for Outernet use, this solution was very much ready for production use. I would say within 2 minutes of booting a new Pi-3 with the Outernet image, content started downloading to the local storage on the Pi. I didn't have to do a thing but figure out how to log into the web interface that is your portal to the Pi. (web as in http; there is no internet connection, naturally) It was as plug-and-play as you could possibly get... turn on the Pi and point the antenna. Period. Content just starts downloading if you have a decent signal. You connect to the Pi from another computer and any files that have downloaded are available for you to view. Of course the antenna / LNA / SDR was attached before I powered up the Pi and positioned to have decent visibility in the right direction. And of course it's easy to see that the better your RF receive situation, the better will be the rate at which content is received. Finally, using items already on-hand for other experiments, I replaced the patch antenna with the TP-Link 2.4 GHz dish (https://www.amazon.com/Directional-Parabolic-Connector-Resistant-TL-ANT2424B/dp/B003CFATOW?th=1) that you often see used by amateurs for experimentation. Never mind that it's supposedly for a higher frequency and never mind that it's not circularly polarized, I found that in conjunction with the LNA & SDR from Outernet, I received a much stronger signal than with the patch antenna. But in fairness, I have not made a comparison with a 100% clear view of the sky. I hope those very early and limited observations of Outernet's solution are useful to you. -Scott, K4KDR Montpelier, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:51 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? AMSAT tinkerers? OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See http://aprs.org/outnet.html Bob, WB4APR From va6bmj at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 02:47:40 2016 From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 02:47:40 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Orbital ATK Launch Scheduled For 2016-10-13 Message-ID: http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/10/05/orbital-atk-targets-oct-13-cygnus-launch/ Go Antares! 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL From vk4tec at tech-software.net Thu Oct 6 03:11:45 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 13:11:45 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <113EE8F5-BA3E-4D2B-8A45-BD35A7A1F571@tech-software.net> I took delivery of my outer net eq last night We qualified the patch antenna, amp and dongle Dongle is very stable Picked up INMARSAT on the bonnet of my car just on patch Lots of new signals I now need to get frequencies and decoders going Look on my website I have just added photos Signals - are quite strong about 45 degree beam mine is 145 deg Will report back when i decode Andrew ------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net e vk4tec at tech-software.net m +61 (4) 19 738 223 m 0419738223 > On 6 Oct 2016, at 8:51 AM, Robert Bruninga > wrote: > > AMSAT tinkerers? > > > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > > > Bob, WB4APR > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 6 04:04:21 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 00:04:21 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Message-ID: <380CD9EC7CCA49548EFAC8E1F5BB3C3F@DHJ> An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia on 06 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 18:24 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and 9M2RPN. The contact should be audible over Malaysia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. Total of students: 746 students Total of teachers: 43 teachers There is no amateur station in the school. The school is invited by National Space Agency Satellite Ground Station with a call sign of 9M2RPN in conjunction with "National Space Challenge Prime Minister's Trophy 2016" as in past years. Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 1. Is orbit speed always 17,300 mph? 2. What is the escape velocity to reach ISS? 3. When you have achieved orbit what is the first thing that you do? 4. What is microgravity ? 5. Can you weigh yourself in weightlessness? 6. How does one get treated in case of sudden sickness in space? 7. Does a shuttle orbit continually trace the same path across the earth? 8. Can shuttle change its orbit? 9. Do you sweat in space? 10. Can you grow seeds in space? 11. Can you see other satellites from the ISS? 12. What time zone do you observe in space? 13. How many sun rises and sunsets do you see in space? 14. How often you get to speak to your families in space? 15. How is garbage disposed in space? 16. How do astronauts train for launch, orbit and reentry? 17. How would a candle burn in space? 18. Can you blow your nose in space? 19. Do your ears pop when you launch? 20. Can you see stars in daytime when you are in space? PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status Next planned event(s): 1. iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15 UTC 2. Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46 UTC 3. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00 UTC About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Thank you & 73, David - AA4KN --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From vk4tec at tech-software.net Thu Oct 6 04:53:51 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 14:53:51 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <910884B5-19EC-4158-AD25-4B9826F34215@tech-software.net> Scott I am interested in getting mine going tonight Can you step me through the software side please Andrew ------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net e vk4tec at tech-software.net m +61 (4) 19 738 223 m 0419738223 > On 6 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Scott wrote: > > Hi Bob & everyone. > > I have a partially obscured view at the angle required for geostationary satellites but was curious to see if I could get Outernet's signal from Inmarsat 4-F3, which is where Outernet's transmission originates from in this area (USA East Coast). > > For background, I had used a variety of antennas (patch, vivaldi, DirecTV dish repurposed) to receive some of the various data streams from Inmarsat 4-F3 in the past, with varying results. > > I ordered the combination patch antenna / LNA / SDR that Outernet has assembled optimized for L-Band. That left only the software side to configure. > > The first option was zero-cost, which was to attempt to decode the Outernet feed using their guided software install for an existing Linux computer. This consisted of a number of apps working in concert. > > The "receiver" portion worked properly - I did see a reasonable SNR and mostly error-free data stream. Unfortunately, I never decoded any content with the other apps either due to their alpha or beta stage of development or my lack of linux expertise. > > However, at the same time I was corresponding with a couple of other hams who saw similar results with the "add on" apps for a working linux computer. I have not dug any deeper with that method so as of now, for all I know that branch of the software might have improved. > > In stark contrast to my lack of success with the linux method was a turnkey boot image that Outernet makes available for you to write to an SD card for use in a Raspberry Pi. Consisting of a fairly lite linux OS, plus all the apps required and optimized for Outernet use, this solution was very much ready for production use. > > I would say within 2 minutes of booting a new Pi-3 with the Outernet image, content started downloading to the local storage on the Pi. I didn't have to do a thing but figure out how to log into the web interface that is your portal to the Pi. (web as in http; there is no internet connection, naturally) It was as plug-and-play as you could possibly get... turn on the Pi and point the antenna. Period. Content just starts downloading if you have a decent signal. You connect to the Pi from another computer and any files that have downloaded are available for you to view. > > Of course the antenna / LNA / SDR was attached before I powered up the Pi and positioned to have decent visibility in the right direction. And of course it's easy to see that the better your RF receive situation, the better will be the rate at which content is received. > > Finally, using items already on-hand for other experiments, I replaced the patch antenna with the TP-Link 2.4 GHz dish (https://www.amazon.com/Directional-Parabolic-Connector-Resistant-TL-ANT2424B/dp/B003CFATOW?th=1) that you often see used by amateurs for experimentation. Never mind that it's supposedly for a higher frequency and never mind that it's not circularly polarized, I found that in conjunction with the LNA & SDR from Outernet, I received a much stronger signal than with the patch antenna. But in fairness, I have not made a comparison with a 100% clear view of the sky. > > I hope those very early and limited observations of Outernet's solution are useful to you. > > -Scott, K4KDR > Montpelier, VA USA > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:51 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? > > AMSAT tinkerers? > > > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > > > Bob, WB4APR > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk4tec at tech-software.net Thu Oct 6 04:58:50 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 14:58:50 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F38E55F-FE88-42E1-B4D7-8CBBB5547A51@tech-software.net> Scott what feed on the dish ? Andrew ------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net e vk4tec at tech-software.net m +61 (4) 19 738 223 m 0419738223 > On 6 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Scott wrote: > > Hi Bob & everyone. > > I have a partially obscured view at the angle required for geostationary satellites but was curious to see if I could get Outernet's signal from Inmarsat 4-F3, which is where Outernet's transmission originates from in this area (USA East Coast). > > For background, I had used a variety of antennas (patch, vivaldi, DirecTV dish repurposed) to receive some of the various data streams from Inmarsat 4-F3 in the past, with varying results. > > I ordered the combination patch antenna / LNA / SDR that Outernet has assembled optimized for L-Band. That left only the software side to configure. > > The first option was zero-cost, which was to attempt to decode the Outernet feed using their guided software install for an existing Linux computer. This consisted of a number of apps working in concert. > > The "receiver" portion worked properly - I did see a reasonable SNR and mostly error-free data stream. Unfortunately, I never decoded any content with the other apps either due to their alpha or beta stage of development or my lack of linux expertise. > > However, at the same time I was corresponding with a couple of other hams who saw similar results with the "add on" apps for a working linux computer. I have not dug any deeper with that method so as of now, for all I know that branch of the software might have improved. > > In stark contrast to my lack of success with the linux method was a turnkey boot image that Outernet makes available for you to write to an SD card for use in a Raspberry Pi. Consisting of a fairly lite linux OS, plus all the apps required and optimized for Outernet use, this solution was very much ready for production use. > > I would say within 2 minutes of booting a new Pi-3 with the Outernet image, content started downloading to the local storage on the Pi. I didn't have to do a thing but figure out how to log into the web interface that is your portal to the Pi. (web as in http; there is no internet connection, naturally) It was as plug-and-play as you could possibly get... turn on the Pi and point the antenna. Period. Content just starts downloading if you have a decent signal. You connect to the Pi from another computer and any files that have downloaded are available for you to view. > > Of course the antenna / LNA / SDR was attached before I powered up the Pi and positioned to have decent visibility in the right direction. And of course it's easy to see that the better your RF receive situation, the better will be the rate at which content is received. > > Finally, using items already on-hand for other experiments, I replaced the patch antenna with the TP-Link 2.4 GHz dish (https://www.amazon.com/Directional-Parabolic-Connector-Resistant-TL-ANT2424B/dp/B003CFATOW?th=1) that you often see used by amateurs for experimentation. Never mind that it's supposedly for a higher frequency and never mind that it's not circularly polarized, I found that in conjunction with the LNA & SDR from Outernet, I received a much stronger signal than with the patch antenna. But in fairness, I have not made a comparison with a 100% clear view of the sky. > > I hope those very early and limited observations of Outernet's solution are useful to you. > > -Scott, K4KDR > Montpelier, VA USA > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:51 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? > > AMSAT tinkerers? > > > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > > > Bob, WB4APR > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From AJ9N at aol.com Thu Oct 6 07:25:07 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 03:25:07 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-06 07:00 UTC Message-ID: <403791.793a6e50.45275652@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-06 07:00 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, direct via 9M2RPN The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Thu 2016-10-06 18:24:00 UTC 46 deg Watch for live video stream at: http://www.planetariumnegara.gov.my (***) iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 122 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-06 07:00 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1085. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1050. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-01 20:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From 9w2qc at 9w2qc.net Thu Oct 6 11:20:34 2016 From: 9w2qc at 9w2qc.net (Sion Chow Q. C. (9W2QC)) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 07:20:34 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia In-Reply-To: <380CD9EC7CCA49548EFAC8E1F5BB3C3F@DHJ> Message-ID: <20161006072034.Horde.KZCXjRj1y6O1wjGFLY_MX0p@9w2qc.net> Dear All, The live stream of this contact can be viewed at http://www.planetariumnegara.gov.my/?q=article/live-streaming Thank you. 73, Sion, 9M2CQC Quoting n4csitwo at bellsouth.net: > An International Space Station school contact has been planned with > participants at Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia on 06 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately > 18:24 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes > and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and > 9M2RPN. The contact should be audible over Malaysia and adjacent > areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz > downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. > > > > Total of students: 746 students > > Total of teachers: 43 teachers > > There is no amateur station in the school. The school is invited by > National Space Agency Satellite Ground Station with a call sign of > 9M2RPN in conjunction with "National Space Challenge Prime > Minister's Trophy 2016" as in past years. > > > > > > Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: > > > > 1. Is orbit speed always 17,300 mph? > > 2. What is the escape velocity to reach ISS? > > 3. When you have achieved orbit what is the first thing that you do? > > 4. What is microgravity ? > > 5. Can you weigh yourself in weightlessness? > > 6. How does one get treated in case of sudden sickness in space? > > 7. Does a shuttle orbit continually trace the same path across the earth? > > 8. Can shuttle change its orbit? > > 9. Do you sweat in space? > > 10. Can you grow seeds in space? > > 11. Can you see other satellites from the ISS? > > 12. What time zone do you observe in space? > > 13. How many sun rises and sunsets do you see in space? > > 14. How often you get to speak to your families in space? > > 15. How is garbage disposed in space? > > 16. How do astronauts train for launch, orbit and reentry? > > 17. How would a candle burn in space? > > 18. Can you blow your nose in space? > > 19. Do your ears pop when you launch? > > 20. Can you see stars in daytime when you are in space? > > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: > > > > Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the > > International Space Station (ARISS). > > > > To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status > > > > > > Next planned event(s): > > > > 1. iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD > > The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS > > The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ > > Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15 UTC > > > > 2. Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones > > Creek, Texas, > > telebridge via VK5ZAI > > The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS > > The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS > > Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46 UTC > > > > 3. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, > > telebridge via VK4KHZ > > The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS > > The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ > > Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00 UTC > > > > > > > > About ARISS: > > Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a > cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the > space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). > In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite > Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the > Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National > Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of > ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, > and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via > amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in > classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of > experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with > large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during > these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities > learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more > information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. > > > > Thank you & 73, > > David - AA4KN > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 15:01:43 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 10:01:43 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No firm plans yet. We may visit JSC the day we get off the ship. Chad KG0MW Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Steve A wrote: > > What are your plans? > When is the ISS Tour of NASA? > > I plan on renting a car a week before the symposium, and staying a week > after. Anyone want to explore the area with me. I got room for 2 or 3. > > Steve Akkala > W2AKK > w2akk at arrl.org > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From scott23192 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 15:02:37 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:02:37 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: <910884B5-19EC-4158-AD25-4B9826F34215@tech-software.net> References: <910884B5-19EC-4158-AD25-4B9826F34215@tech-software.net> Message-ID: The O/S image for the Pi can be downloaded from: https://archive.outernet.is/images/rxOS-Raspberry-Pi/ ... there is documentation at: http://rxos.readthedocs.io/en/develop/getting_started/raspberry_pi.html ... but that doc currently seems to cover a lot more than the Pi and also a lot more than just installing & using the system. So, in summary it's a lot more straightforward than you would think from the instructions: -write the O/S image to a micro-SD card for the Pi -point your antenna in the correct direction & plug it into the LNA > SDR > Pi -power on the Pi -from a wi-fi capable computer, connect to SSID "Outernet" -in a browser, connect to either 10.0.0.1 or 10.10.10.10 (mine uses the former, but I noticed in the doc that they reference the latter) -the browser interface will walk you through setting up an admin password; you can explore the interface from there Ref. the TP-Link dish, the feed is included. I believe it's more-or-less a dipole. ================================================================== On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Andrew Rich wrote: > Scott > > I am interested in getting mine going tonight > > Can you step me through the software side please > > Andrew > >>>>> what feed on the dish ? > > ------------------------------------------ > Andrew Rich VK4TEC > w www.tech-software.net > e vk4tec at tech-software.net > m +61 (4) 19 738 223 > m 0419738223 > > > > > > > On 6 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Scott wrote: > > Hi Bob & everyone. > > I have a partially obscured view at the angle required for geostationary > satellites but was curious to see if I could get Outernet's signal from > Inmarsat 4-F3, which is where Outernet's transmission originates from in > this area (USA East Coast). > > For background, I had used a variety of antennas (patch, vivaldi, DirecTV > dish repurposed) to receive some of the various data streams from Inmarsat > 4-F3 in the past, with varying results. > > I ordered the combination patch antenna / LNA / SDR that Outernet has > assembled optimized for L-Band. That left only the software side to > configure. > > The first option was zero-cost, which was to attempt to decode the > Outernet feed using their guided software install for an existing Linux > computer. This consisted of a number of apps working in concert. > > The "receiver" portion worked properly - I did see a reasonable SNR and > mostly error-free data stream. Unfortunately, I never decoded any content > with the other apps either due to their alpha or beta stage of development > or my lack of linux expertise. > > However, at the same time I was corresponding with a couple of other hams > who saw similar results with the "add on" apps for a working linux > computer. I have not dug any deeper with that method so as of now, for all > I know that branch of the software might have improved. > > In stark contrast to my lack of success with the linux method was a > turnkey boot image that Outernet makes available for you to write to an SD > card for use in a Raspberry Pi. Consisting of a fairly lite linux OS, plus > all the apps required and optimized for Outernet use, this solution was > very much ready for production use. > > I would say within 2 minutes of booting a new Pi-3 with the Outernet > image, content started downloading to the local storage on the Pi. I > didn't have to do a thing but figure out how to log into the web interface > that is your portal to the Pi. (web as in http; there is no internet > connection, naturally) It was as plug-and-play as you could possibly > get... turn on the Pi and point the antenna. Period. Content just starts > downloading if you have a decent signal. You connect to the Pi from > another computer and any files that have downloaded are available for you > to view. > > Of course the antenna / LNA / SDR was attached before I powered up the Pi > and positioned to have decent visibility in the right direction. And of > course it's easy to see that the better your RF receive situation, the > better will be the rate at which content is received. > > Finally, using items already on-hand for other experiments, I replaced the > patch antenna with the TP-Link 2.4 GHz dish (https://www.amazon.com/ > Directional-Parabolic-Connector-Resistant-TL-ANT2424B/dp/B003CFATOW?th=1) > that you often see used by amateurs for experimentation. Never mind that > it's supposedly for a higher frequency and never mind that it's not > circularly polarized, I found that in conjunction with the LNA & SDR from > Outernet, I received a much stronger signal than with the patch antenna. > But in fairness, I have not made a comparison with a 100% clear view of the > sky. > > I hope those very early and limited observations of Outernet's solution > are useful to you. > > -Scott, K4KDR > Montpelier, VA USA > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------- > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:51 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? > > AMSAT tinkerers? > > > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > > > Bob, WB4APR > > From scott23192 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 15:06:37 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:06:37 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <479663765.533929.1473274174846@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had good elevation this morning (65?) at 14:52 UTC on the East Coast of the US but unfortunately nothing was heard on 145.980. -Scott, K4KDR ==================== On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Aayush Yadav wrote: > Hello all, > > Pratham has been identified as object 41783, 2016-059A. However we have not > been able to track the satellite with these TLE's. If you could please > track the satellite with these TLE's and confirm with us it would be really > appreciable. Thank you. > > Kind regards. > Team Pratham! > > On Sunday 25 September 2016, Aayush Yadav > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > We are glad to inform you that Pratham, IITB's Student Satellite is > > expected to launch with the help of PSLV-C35 on 26th September, 2016 at > > 9:12 AM. > > ?? > > The following are the TLE data for the satellite: > > > > 16005A 16270.25119097 0.00000311 00000-0 59418-4 0 > > 1232 > > 98.2057 329.0542 0028038 267.7677 9.1998 14.63716875 11 > > > > Any update in these will be notified at the earliest. We would love you > > all to be a part of the project and help us in tracking our satellite. > > There are basically two downlink for the satellite, The beacon is > > estimated to switch on in the window of 25-30 degrees North and 4-8 > degrees > > East as per the current TLE's. Once switched on, it will remain so > through > > out it's orbit. The telemetry data will be switched on only over France > and > > India because of our power constraints. If you could, please receive the > > beacon and/or telemetry of the satellite and report back to the mail id's > > as given below. The information for the satellite transmissions is given > > below, > > > > Beacon: > > Frequency: 145.98 MHz > > Modulation: CW > > Words per minute: 30 > > Power Emitted: 0.2 W (23 dBm) > > > > Telemetry: > > To be switched on only over India and France > > Modulation: FSK > > Rate: 1200 bps > > Power Emitted: 0.06 W (18 dBm) > > > > For any other Information you may visit our website > > . Also feel free to contact our > > Communication and Ground station team, (Rachana Agarwal, > > rachna.agrawal.04 at gmail.com > > ; and > Aayush > > Yadav, aayushyadav825 at gmail.com > > ) for any > > queries you may have. > > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Aayush Yadav > > wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Thank you for your wishes. > >> > >> The FSK downlink contains only the health monitoring data of the > >> satellite and is used for payload calculations. IPGP university in > france > >> requested us for the payload data for their scientific research thus we > are > >> switching on the telemetry only over India and France. > >> > >> However the CW beacon will be on through out the orbit and can be > >> received from anywhere. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Team Pratham > >> > >> > >> On Thursday 8 September 2016, Nitin Muttin >> > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Team Pratham, > >>> > >>> Thanks for the update and will look forward for a successful launch and > >>> deployment of your satellite. Please share why the FSK downlink on > 437.455 > >>> Mhz is activated over France and India. > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> Nitin [VU3TYG] > >>> Secretary, AMSAT INDIA > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From:* Aayush Yadav > >>> *To:* "amsat-bb at amsat.org" > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 10:25 PM > >>> *Subject:* [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite > >>> > >>> Greetings everyone, > >>> > >>> We, students of IIT Bombay, are glad to inform you that our project, > >>> Pratham, is ready and expected to launch with PSLV-C35 in the last week > >>> of > >>> September. We would be really happy if you all joined us in receiving > >>> our > >>> satellite's beacon, details given below: > >>> > >>> Beacon: > >>> Mode: CW > >>> wpm: 35 words > >>> Frequency: 145.980 MHz > >>> > >>> Downlink: > >>> Mode: FSK > >>> Baudrate: 1200 bps > >>> Frequency: 437.455 MHz > >>> (To be switched on over France and India only) > >>> > >>> We will update the information as soon as TLE's will be available. > >>> > >>> Kind Regards. > >>> Team Pratham > >>> From n6rfm1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 15:25:00 2016 From: n6rfm1 at gmail.com (N6RFM1 gmail) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:25:00 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet experiences Message-ID: <00c301d21fe5$ceed0f60$6cc72e20$@gmail.com> Bob and fellow AMSAT tinkerers, I also have the system up and running using the patch antenna, LNA/BPF and an E4000 based dongle sourced from Outernet. It?s was very straightforward to get it running using the Raspberry Pi (3) and their rxOS. Burn an SD card, and fire it up. This makes changing back to another OS as simple as swapping out the SD card. The E4000 RTL-SDR Outernet provides appears to be modified so that bias-T is passed to the LNA out of the box. Otherwise another means to power an LNA may be necessary. As an alternative to the R-Pi, they also support the CHIP computer. This device is not much bigger than a credit card, and ~ ?? thick. If sourced from Outernet, it comes flashed with their rxOS software. It took me some time to appreciate that the CHIP?s wifi RX is a bit deaf. So, to log onto the system with any wifi enable device (such as my iPhone), I had to be within a few feet. The CHIP is however fun to play with. It can also be flashed with a Debian based OS and used as stand-alone computer. It seemed a bit slow (heck, what do you expect for a $9 computer) but was serviceable to surf the web, email, etc. That said, flashing back to the rxOS for Outernet reception/decoding from the Debian OS is clunky and requires getting under the Linux hood in terminal mode. Outernet has a pretty active user forum, with technical support often coming from the founder. For me it was a fun way to do some RX at 1.5 GHz, learn some more Linux and play with some interesting hardware. Now I need to build a WX tight radome to allow 24/7 RX. Lastly, shout out and thanks to Scott K4KDR and Darren G0HWW for advice and encouragement. GL, Bob N6RFM FN41iq Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 18:51:52 -0400 From: Robert Bruninga > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 AMSAT tinkerers? OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See http://aprs.org/outnet.html Bob, WB4APR From dan at post.com Thu Oct 6 18:15:28 2016 From: dan at post.com (Daniel Cussen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 19:15:28 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia In-Reply-To: <20161006072034.Horde.KZCXjRj1y6O1wjGFLY_MX0p@9w2qc.net> References: <380CD9EC7CCA49548EFAC8E1F5BB3C3F@DHJ> <20161006072034.Horde.KZCXjRj1y6O1wjGFLY_MX0p@9w2qc.net> Message-ID: Stream is live. You can view it full screen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8a9ik9cI8 Contact starts at 24 minutes past the hour. 18:24 UTC On 06/10/2016, Sion Chow Q. C. (9W2QC) <9w2qc at 9w2qc.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > The live stream of this contact can be viewed at > http://www.planetariumnegara.gov.my/?q=article/live-streaming > > Thank you. > > 73, Sion, 9M2CQC > > > Quoting n4csitwo at bellsouth.net: > >> An International Space Station school contact has been planned with >> participants at Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia on 06 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately >> 18:24 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes >> and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and >> 9M2RPN. The contact should be audible over Malaysia and adjacent >> areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz >> downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. >> >> >> >> Total of students: 746 students >> >> Total of teachers: 43 teachers >> >> There is no amateur station in the school. The school is invited by >> National Space Agency Satellite Ground Station with a call sign of >> 9M2RPN in conjunction with "National Space Challenge Prime >> Minister's Trophy 2016" as in past years. >> >> >> >> >> >> Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: >> >> >> >> 1. Is orbit speed always 17,300 mph? >> >> 2. What is the escape velocity to reach ISS? >> >> 3. When you have achieved orbit what is the first thing that you do? >> >> 4. What is microgravity ? >> >> 5. Can you weigh yourself in weightlessness? >> >> 6. How does one get treated in case of sudden sickness in space? >> >> 7. Does a shuttle orbit continually trace the same path across the earth? >> >> 8. Can shuttle change its orbit? >> >> 9. Do you sweat in space? >> >> 10. Can you grow seeds in space? >> >> 11. Can you see other satellites from the ISS? >> >> 12. What time zone do you observe in space? >> >> 13. How many sun rises and sunsets do you see in space? >> >> 14. How often you get to speak to your families in space? >> >> 15. How is garbage disposed in space? >> >> 16. How do astronauts train for launch, orbit and reentry? >> >> 17. How would a candle burn in space? >> >> 18. Can you blow your nose in space? >> >> 19. Do your ears pop when you launch? >> >> 20. Can you see stars in daytime when you are in space? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: >> >> >> >> Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the >> >> International Space Station (ARISS). >> >> >> >> To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status >> >> >> >> >> >> Next planned event(s): >> >> >> >> 1. iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD >> >> The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS >> >> The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ >> >> Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15 UTC >> >> >> >> 2. Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, >> Jones >> >> Creek, Texas, >> >> telebridge via VK5ZAI >> >> The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS >> >> The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS >> >> Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46 UTC >> >> >> >> 3. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha >> NE, >> >> telebridge via VK4KHZ >> >> The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS >> >> The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ >> >> Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00 UTC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> About ARISS: >> >> Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a >> cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the >> space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). >> In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite >> Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the >> Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National >> Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of >> ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, >> and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via >> amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in >> classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of >> experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with >> large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during >> these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities >> learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more >> information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. >> >> >> >> Thank you & 73, >> >> David - AA4KN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. 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Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 22:31:56 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 15:31:56 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for OLD (really old) Ham-related software Message-ID: <57F6D0DC.1070501@gmail.com> Hi folks, In the small world department, it turns out that a fellow Ham club member and I were both part of the original Homebrew Computer Club back in the 70's. We thought it might be fun to have a demo at one of the Ham club meetings of some of the old hardware running something ham-related, just for fun. I have an "MAI Jolt", a 6502 / TIM system that I built in 1976, and just got it running again. 12K of memory, TV Typewriter, paper tape reader. CPU runs at a blazing 750 khz. Plays Hunt the Wumpus perfectly. Yes, folks, computing in the AM Broadcast band was never better. What I need now is some software (besides HtW) to run on it. This is NOT a C-64 or Apple-II; they have the same CPU chip, but different memory map and I/O. Besides the raw CPU itself, I also have a copy of Tom Pitman's Tiny Basic that also appears to run. The usual Google searches have come up either empty or with broken links to places like GeoCities. Anybody have anything TIM or Tiny Basic compatible that they can share or point me to? Thanks, Greg KO6TH From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 7 02:58:44 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 22:58:44 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with iSPACE, Cincinnati OH Message-ID: An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at iSPACE, Cincinnati OH on 08 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:15 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between OR4ISS and IK1SLD. The contact should be audible over Italy and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. In 2001, iSPACE, a 501(c)(3) organization, incorporated as a STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) educational resource for schools throughout the Greater Cincinnati region. The iSPACE mission is to make STEM learning exciting and to promote STEM career awareness, through interactive programs for students, educators and families in the region. iSPACE provides innovative and effective programs, events and learning experiences for students (grades preK?12), their educators and their families including field trips, outreach, professional development and other programs that stimulate interest and appreciation for STEM. In 2015, iSPACE programs served a diverse population of 24,731 youth and 5,791 adults in more than 500 schools. iSPACE works diligently to collaborate within the regional and their programs are recognized for their effectiveness throughout the STEM community. Through rigorous alignment to national and state standards and the utilization of best practices, iSPACE continues to develop curriculum for educators and inquiry?based educational opportunities for students. iSPACE has made a mark in Greater Cincinnati for our high quality programs that measurably and effectively inspire students in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, increase their content knowledge and introduce them to STEM careers. Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 1. What has been the most exciting part of your mission so far? 2. After seeing all the places on Earth from space, which one do you most want to visit once you get back to Earth? 3. What's your favorite part of the day? 4. I know you use animals in research. How many animals do you have in space with you right now and how do you take care of them? 5. Can a flying insect fly in space? 6. When you were preparing to leave high school did you know that you wanted to be an astronaut? How did you decide what you wanted to do after high school? 7. Please describe your years of education and training that led to your assignment on the space station. 8. Do you practice emergency drills? Can you describe some of the critical incidents that you need to prepare for? 9. Will your stay in space get shorter if you have too many headaches? Also, if you have ever had a space headache, what did it feel like during and after? 10. What are the major research projects you are focusing on and what discoveries have you made? 11. Have any of the experiments failed or given you totally different results than you expected? 12. Do you prefer being in space or on Earth? 13. What has been your greatest challenge so far and how did you respond to it? 14. Can you describe what zero gravity feels like? 15. Have you done a spacewalk and how does it feel? 16. What do you think the biggest advances will be in the space program over the next ten year? 17. What are you most looking forward to when you return to earth and what will you miss the most from your mission? 18. Does your schedule ever seem repetitive? PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status Next planned event(s): 1. Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg 2. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Thank you & 73, David - AA4KN --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From sqrtofone at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 02:52:54 2016 From: sqrtofone at yahoo.com (Jay Mail) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:52:54 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for OLD (really old) Ham-related software In-Reply-To: <57F6D0DC.1070501@gmail.com> References: <57F6D0DC.1070501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35147CFB-234D-4447-9D3F-63BEFCC32D91@yahoo.com> If a link is broken, you could always try to look for it or other material on archive.org. Here's a link to a national semiconductor manual for tinybasic, for example. https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_nationalstSCTinyBASICUsersManualNov80_8366353 Jay Cox KG5BZW Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Greg D wrote: > > Hi folks, > > In the small world department, it turns out that a fellow Ham club > member and I were both part of the original Homebrew Computer Club back > in the 70's. We thought it might be fun to have a demo at one of the > Ham club meetings of some of the old hardware running something > ham-related, just for fun. > > I have an "MAI Jolt", a 6502 / TIM system that I built in 1976, and just > got it running again. 12K of memory, TV Typewriter, paper tape reader. > CPU runs at a blazing 750 khz. Plays Hunt the Wumpus perfectly. Yes, > folks, computing in the AM Broadcast band was never better. > > What I need now is some software (besides HtW) to run on it. This is > NOT a C-64 or Apple-II; they have the same CPU chip, but different > memory map and I/O. Besides the raw CPU itself, I also have a copy of > Tom Pitman's Tiny Basic that also appears to run. The usual Google > searches have come up either empty or with broken links to places like > GeoCities. > > Anybody have anything TIM or Tiny Basic compatible that they can share > or point me to? > > Thanks, > > Greg KO6TH > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From scott23192 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 05:28:39 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:28:39 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a couple of additional pieces of information to pass along on this topic as of tonight. As many are aware, the Outernet hardware "package" consists of a patch antenna, LNA, and unmarked SDR with bias-T enabled. Tonight I remembered that some time ago I could not resist buying a couple of the second (?) generation metal-case RTL-SDR dongles from rtl-sdr.com. I have been using one on my linux computer but the other one was unused. Remembering that these rtl-sdr dongles had 5v bias-T as an option, I took the unused one apart and soldered the appropriate pins to enable the bias-T. That allowed me to do a comparison with the unmarked SDR that came with the other Outernet items. Setting Outernet aside for a moment, I did an apples to apples comparison of the L-Band AERO signals coming from Inmarsat 4-F3. The difference in signal strength was obvious and substantial. The rtl-sdr gave me over 10db more SNR, so in addition to the 600 & 1200 AERO data streams, I could now easily decode the 10k AERO signals where there is a lot more (and more interesting) traffic. So with that test complete and fairly conclusive, I reconnected everything to the Raspberry Pi but with the rtl-sdr dongle this time. Not surprisingly, the L-Band Outernet signal was also greatly improved. Where my SNR figure had been around 3, with the rtl-sdr dongle it was varying between 6 & 8. Please keep in mind that I do not have a clear sky view, so take all of these findings with that in mind. A few minutes after powering up the Pi and seeing the improved SNR figure, content from the satellite started downloading. As you might expect, the rate seemed to be noticeably quicker than before. Imagine my surprise to see the first file arrive as a .tgz compressed archive that, when extracted, contained some amateur radio content! Here are the first few lines from the file that just arrived: ========================== OUTERNET>APRS:>OUTERNET file created Fri Oct 7 05:00:19 UTC 2016 VI50CC>APRS,RS0ISS*,qAR,ZL4JL-6::RS0ISS :Hello ZL James G/day Mate RS0ISS>CQ,qAS,ZL1KM-H:>ARISS - International Space Station K6PKL>CQ,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:=3748.51N/12112.44W-Solar powered, 20 watts j-pole {UIV32N} KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl tK\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS PLEASE REPLY = KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl"@K\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS PLEASE REPLY = KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl"cK\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS PLEASE REPLY = RS0ISS>CQ,qAS,KK6RKY:>ARISS - International Space Station ========================== ... and it continued with similar APRS type traffic. So, if my finding is any example, if anyone would like to optimize their Outernet reception, or for that matter ANY L-band reception, you can do it without dedicating one of the expensive SDR's to this function. The metal-case rtl-sdr dongle with bias-T enabled was an excellent step up in performance for me. -Scott, K4KDR ============= ============= On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > AMSAT tinkerers? > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > Bob, WB4APR > > From AJ9N at aol.com Fri Oct 7 06:12:14 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 02:12:14 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-07 07:00 UTC Message-ID: <504f3c.1466717f.452896be@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-07 07:00 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, direct via 9M2RPN The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Thu 2016-10-06 18:24:00 UTC 46 deg (***) iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 (***) Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-07 07:00 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1086. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1051. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-07 07:00 UTC. (***) http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 07:06:04 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:06:04 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: <910884B5-19EC-4158-AD25-4B9826F34215@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <1DB77E7D-B8F2-432A-910C-CDB5B95C3AFE@tech-software.net> What are the frequencies for the different regions ? I want to use my SDR to get a dish going Andrew ' > On 7 Oct 2016, at 01:02, Scott wrote: > > The O/S image for the Pi can be downloaded from: > > https://archive.outernet.is/images/rxOS-Raspberry-Pi/ > > ... there is documentation at: > > http://rxos.readthedocs.io/en/develop/getting_started/raspberry_pi.html > > ... but that doc currently seems to cover a lot more than the Pi and also a > lot more than just installing & using the system. > > So, in summary it's a lot more straightforward than you would think from > the instructions: > > -write the O/S image to a micro-SD card for the Pi > > -point your antenna in the correct direction & plug it into the LNA > SDR > > Pi > > -power on the Pi > > -from a wi-fi capable computer, connect to SSID "Outernet" > > -in a browser, connect to either 10.0.0.1 or 10.10.10.10 (mine uses the > former, but I noticed in the doc that they reference the latter) > > -the browser interface will walk you through setting up an admin password; > you can explore the interface from there > > Ref. the TP-Link dish, the feed is included. I believe it's more-or-less > a dipole. > > > ================================================================== > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Andrew Rich > wrote: > >> Scott >> >> I am interested in getting mine going tonight >> >> Can you step me through the software side please >> >> Andrew >> > >>>>>> what feed on the dish ? > >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> Andrew Rich VK4TEC >> w www.tech-software.net >> e vk4tec at tech-software.net >> m +61 (4) 19 738 223 >> m 0419738223 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 Oct 2016, at 9:25 AM, Scott wrote: >> >> Hi Bob & everyone. >> >> I have a partially obscured view at the angle required for geostationary >> satellites but was curious to see if I could get Outernet's signal from >> Inmarsat 4-F3, which is where Outernet's transmission originates from in >> this area (USA East Coast). >> >> For background, I had used a variety of antennas (patch, vivaldi, DirecTV >> dish repurposed) to receive some of the various data streams from Inmarsat >> 4-F3 in the past, with varying results. >> >> I ordered the combination patch antenna / LNA / SDR that Outernet has >> assembled optimized for L-Band. That left only the software side to >> configure. >> >> The first option was zero-cost, which was to attempt to decode the >> Outernet feed using their guided software install for an existing Linux >> computer. This consisted of a number of apps working in concert. >> >> The "receiver" portion worked properly - I did see a reasonable SNR and >> mostly error-free data stream. Unfortunately, I never decoded any content >> with the other apps either due to their alpha or beta stage of development >> or my lack of linux expertise. >> >> However, at the same time I was corresponding with a couple of other hams >> who saw similar results with the "add on" apps for a working linux >> computer. I have not dug any deeper with that method so as of now, for all >> I know that branch of the software might have improved. >> >> In stark contrast to my lack of success with the linux method was a >> turnkey boot image that Outernet makes available for you to write to an SD >> card for use in a Raspberry Pi. Consisting of a fairly lite linux OS, plus >> all the apps required and optimized for Outernet use, this solution was >> very much ready for production use. >> >> I would say within 2 minutes of booting a new Pi-3 with the Outernet >> image, content started downloading to the local storage on the Pi. I >> didn't have to do a thing but figure out how to log into the web interface >> that is your portal to the Pi. (web as in http; there is no internet >> connection, naturally) It was as plug-and-play as you could possibly >> get... turn on the Pi and point the antenna. Period. Content just starts >> downloading if you have a decent signal. You connect to the Pi from >> another computer and any files that have downloaded are available for you >> to view. >> >> Of course the antenna / LNA / SDR was attached before I powered up the Pi >> and positioned to have decent visibility in the right direction. And of >> course it's easy to see that the better your RF receive situation, the >> better will be the rate at which content is received. >> >> Finally, using items already on-hand for other experiments, I replaced the >> patch antenna with the TP-Link 2.4 GHz dish (https://www.amazon.com/ >> Directional-Parabolic-Connector-Resistant-TL-ANT2424B/dp/B003CFATOW?th=1) >> that you often see used by amateurs for experimentation. Never mind that >> it's supposedly for a higher frequency and never mind that it's not >> circularly polarized, I found that in conjunction with the LNA & SDR from >> Outernet, I received a much stronger signal than with the patch antenna. >> But in fairness, I have not made a comparison with a 100% clear view of the >> sky. >> >> I hope those very early and limited observations of Outernet's solution >> are useful to you. >> >> -Scott, K4KDR >> Montpelier, VA USA >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------------------- >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:51 PM >> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? >> >> AMSAT tinkerers? >> >> >> >> OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system >> designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have >> six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need >> is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via >> your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. >> >> >> >> Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d >> like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. >> >> >> >> We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our >> Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See >> http://aprs.org/outnet.html >> >> >> >> Bob, WB4APR >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 07:07:15 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:07:15 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet experiences In-Reply-To: <00c301d21fe5$ceed0f60$6cc72e20$@gmail.com> References: <00c301d21fe5$ceed0f60$6cc72e20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <591C3652-D1E7-4316-A83D-C2F3C08A0DEB@tech-software.net> Config files for each region ? Should have freqs ? Andrew > On 7 Oct 2016, at 01:25, N6RFM1 gmail wrote: > > Bob and fellow AMSAT tinkerers, > > > > I also have the system up and running using the patch antenna, LNA/BPF and > an E4000 based dongle sourced from Outernet. > > > > It?s was very straightforward to get it running using the Raspberry Pi (3) > and their rxOS. Burn an SD card, and fire it up. This makes changing back > to another OS as simple as swapping out the SD card. > > > > The E4000 RTL-SDR Outernet provides appears to be modified so that bias-T is > passed to the LNA out of the box. Otherwise another means to power an LNA > may be necessary. > > > > As an alternative to the R-Pi, they also support the CHIP computer. This > device is not much bigger than a credit card, and ~ ?? thick. If sourced > from Outernet, it comes flashed with their rxOS software. It took me some > time to appreciate that the CHIP?s wifi RX is a bit deaf. So, to log onto > the system with any wifi enable device (such as my iPhone), I had to be > within a few feet. > > > > The CHIP is however fun to play with. It can also be flashed with a Debian > based OS and used as stand-alone computer. It seemed a bit slow (heck, > what do you expect for a $9 computer) but was serviceable to surf the web, > email, etc. That said, flashing back to the rxOS for Outernet > reception/decoding from the Debian OS is clunky and requires getting under > the Linux hood in terminal mode. > > > > Outernet has a pretty active user forum, with technical support often coming > from the founder. For me it was a fun way to do some RX at 1.5 GHz, learn > some more Linux and play with some interesting hardware. Now I need to > build a WX tight radome to allow 24/7 RX. > > > > Lastly, shout out and thanks to Scott K4KDR and Darren G0HWW for advice and > encouragement. > > > > GL, > > > > Bob N6RFM FN41iq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 18:51:52 -0400 > > From: Robert Bruninga > > > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > > Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > AMSAT tinkerers? > > > > > > > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > > > > > > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > > > > > > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > > > > > > > Bob, WB4APR > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 07:21:29 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:21:29 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <606F31BE-1757-4D5C-9660-9091F1CF6DB5@tech-software.net> Ok not you have got me REALLY interested Please tell me about your setup Andrew > On 7 Oct 2016, at 15:28, Scott wrote: > > I have a couple of additional pieces of information to pass along on this > topic as of tonight. > > As many are aware, the Outernet hardware "package" consists of a patch > antenna, LNA, and unmarked SDR with bias-T enabled. > > Tonight I remembered that some time ago I could not resist buying a couple > of the second (?) generation metal-case RTL-SDR dongles from rtl-sdr.com. > I have been using one on my linux computer but the other one was unused. > Remembering that these rtl-sdr dongles had 5v bias-T as an option, I took > the unused one apart and soldered the appropriate pins to enable the > bias-T. That allowed me to do a comparison with the unmarked SDR that came > with the other Outernet items. > > Setting Outernet aside for a moment, I did an apples to apples comparison > of the L-Band AERO signals coming from Inmarsat 4-F3. The difference in > signal strength was obvious and substantial. The rtl-sdr gave me over 10db > more SNR, so in addition to the 600 & 1200 AERO data streams, I could now > easily decode the 10k AERO signals where there is a lot more (and more > interesting) traffic. > > So with that test complete and fairly conclusive, I reconnected everything > to the Raspberry Pi but with the rtl-sdr dongle this time. Not > surprisingly, the L-Band Outernet signal was also greatly improved. Where > my SNR figure had been around 3, with the rtl-sdr dongle it was varying > between 6 & 8. Please keep in mind that I do not have a clear sky view, so > take all of these findings with that in mind. > > A few minutes after powering up the Pi and seeing the improved SNR figure, > content from the satellite started downloading. As you might expect, the > rate seemed to be noticeably quicker than before. > > Imagine my surprise to see the first file arrive as a .tgz compressed > archive that, when extracted, contained some amateur radio content! Here > are the first few lines from the file that just arrived: > > ========================== > OUTERNET>APRS:>OUTERNET file created Fri Oct 7 05:00:19 UTC 2016 > VI50CC>APRS,RS0ISS*,qAR,ZL4JL-6::RS0ISS :Hello ZL James G/day Mate > RS0ISS>CQ,qAS,ZL1KM-H:>ARISS - International Space Station > K6PKL>CQ,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:=3748.51N/12112.44W-Solar powered, 20 watts > j-pole {UIV32N} > KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl tK\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS > PLEASE REPLY = > KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl"@K\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS > PLEASE REPLY = > KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl"cK\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS > PLEASE REPLY = > RS0ISS>CQ,qAS,KK6RKY:>ARISS - International Space Station > ========================== > > ... and it continued with similar APRS type traffic. > > So, if my finding is any example, if anyone would like to optimize their > Outernet reception, or for that matter ANY L-band reception, you can do it > without dedicating one of the expensive SDR's to this function. The > metal-case rtl-sdr dongle with bias-T enabled was an excellent step up in > performance for me. > > -Scott, K4KDR > > ============= > ============= > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > >> AMSAT tinkerers? >> >> OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system >> designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have >> six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need >> is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via >> your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. >> >> Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d >> like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. >> >> We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our >> Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See >> http://aprs.org/outnet.html >> >> Bob, WB4APR >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From dan at post.com Fri Oct 7 07:42:53 2016 From: dan at post.com (Daniel Cussen) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:42:53 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: <1DB77E7D-B8F2-432A-910C-CDB5B95C3AFE@tech-software.net> References: <910884B5-19EC-4158-AD25-4B9826F34215@tech-software.net> <1DB77E7D-B8F2-432A-910C-CDB5B95C3AFE@tech-software.net> Message-ID: > What are the frequencies for the different regions ? I-4 F3 Americas Position: 98?W Coverage: North, South, and Central America, Pacific and Atlantic Oceans Outernet Frequency: 1539.8725 MHz Alphasat Position: 25?E Coverage: Europe, Africa, Middle East, East Asia, Atlantic and Indian Oceans Outernet Frequency: 1545.525 MHz I-4 F1 APAC (Asia-Pacific) Position: 144.0?E Coverage: Asia, Australia, Pacific and Indian Oceans Outernet Frequency: 1545.9525 MHz From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 08:04:16 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:04:16 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: References: <910884B5-19EC-4158-AD25-4B9826F34215@tech-software.net> <1DB77E7D-B8F2-432A-910C-CDB5B95C3AFE@tech-software.net> Message-ID: Legend Andrew ----------------------------- Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e vk4tec at tech-software.net w www.tech-software.net m 0419 738 223 On 7 Oct. 2016, at 17:42, Daniel Cussen wrote: >> What are the frequencies for the different regions ? > > I-4 F3 Americas > Position: 98?W > Coverage: North, South, and Central America, Pacific and Atlantic Oceans > Outernet Frequency: 1539.8725 MHz > > Alphasat > Position: 25?E > Coverage: Europe, Africa, Middle East, East Asia, Atlantic and Indian > Oceans > Outernet Frequency: 1545.525 MHz > > I-4 F1 APAC (Asia-Pacific) > Position: 144.0?E > Coverage: Asia, Australia, Pacific and Indian Oceans > Outernet Frequency: 1545.9525 MHz > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Fri Oct 7 14:11:03 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 09:11:03 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 Message-ID: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the air. BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the signal is sooo strong. And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from one pass vs another should be the same. Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the whole pass duration. Very Interesting! Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From k9jkm at comcast.net Fri Oct 7 14:17:10 2016 From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 14:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> Message-ID: <773631578.16072709.1475849830315.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> This sounds like an excellent experiment for you to try and report your results in an article for the AMSAT Journal! -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: "amsat-bb" Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:11:03 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the air. BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the signal is sooo strong. And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from one pass vs another should be the same. Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the whole pass duration. Very Interesting! Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Fri Oct 7 14:25:37 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 09:25:37 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: <773631578.16072709.1475849830315.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> <773631578.16072709.1475849830315.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: I would if I had a decent station. I love stuff like this, trying to learn why something is the way it is. The only thing I can think of is solar weather conditions, Since I should have clarified that I'm talking about Mode "A" here only. Soo wondering if some ionospheric stuff is effecting the down ward path signal. OHHH COOL Idea! What a neat idea for a sat!? A RBN reciever in orbit! and it downloads what it's hearing and just like a regular RBN it also tells signal strengths. hmmmmm? Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/7/2016 9:17 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote: > This sounds like an excellent experiment for you to try and report your results in an article for the AMSAT Journal! > > -- > 73 de JoAnne K9JKM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe" > To: "amsat-bb" > Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 9:11:03 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 > > I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years > on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 > > I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the > level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. > > Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of > stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. > > BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the air. > > BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all > the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on > this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, > then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the > signal is sooo strong. > > And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from > one pass vs another should be the same. > > Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the > whole pass duration. > > Very Interesting! > > Joe WB9SBD From kayakfishtx at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 14:47:57 2016 From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 09:47:57 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] NPOTA TR20 activation via satellite (Oct 7-8) Message-ID: Gabriel, NJ7H, and I will be operating satellites from some portions of the El Camino Real de los Tejas National Historic Trail this Saturday, October 8. You may hear us on late Friday evening (Oct 7.) We'll be in EM21, my home grid. El Camino Real de los Tejas: https://www.nps.gov/elte/index.htm Mission Tejas State Park: http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/mission-tejas GIS Interactive Trail Viewer: http://imgis.nps.gov/html/?viewer=nht 73 Clayton W5PFG From scott23192 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 15:11:50 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:11:50 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: <606F31BE-1757-4D5C-9660-9091F1CF6DB5@tech-software.net> References: <606F31BE-1757-4D5C-9660-9091F1CF6DB5@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <479FC4F2C9864E8DB767E1DC4BC4B00D@CSI9020> >> Please tell me about your setup The items involved and the order to do the setup are in this earlier post: http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-October/060666.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Rich Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 3:21 AM To: Scott Cc: Amsat BB ; Peter Davies Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? Ok not you have got me REALLY interested Please tell me about your setup Andrew > On 7 Oct 2016, at 15:28, Scott wrote: > > I have a couple of additional pieces of information to pass along on this > topic as of tonight. > > As many are aware, the Outernet hardware "package" consists of a patch > antenna, LNA, and unmarked SDR with bias-T enabled. > > Tonight I remembered that some time ago I could not resist buying a couple > of the second (?) generation metal-case RTL-SDR dongles from rtl-sdr.com. > I have been using one on my linux computer but the other one was unused. > Remembering that these rtl-sdr dongles had 5v bias-T as an option, I took > the unused one apart and soldered the appropriate pins to enable the > bias-T. That allowed me to do a comparison with the unmarked SDR that > came > with the other Outernet items. > > Setting Outernet aside for a moment, I did an apples to apples comparison > of the L-Band AERO signals coming from Inmarsat 4-F3. The difference in > signal strength was obvious and substantial. The rtl-sdr gave me over > 10db > more SNR, so in addition to the 600 & 1200 AERO data streams, I could now > easily decode the 10k AERO signals where there is a lot more (and more > interesting) traffic. > > So with that test complete and fairly conclusive, I reconnected everything > to the Raspberry Pi but with the rtl-sdr dongle this time. Not > surprisingly, the L-Band Outernet signal was also greatly improved. Where > my SNR figure had been around 3, with the rtl-sdr dongle it was varying > between 6 & 8. Please keep in mind that I do not have a clear sky view, > so > take all of these findings with that in mind. > > A few minutes after powering up the Pi and seeing the improved SNR figure, > content from the satellite started downloading. As you might expect, the > rate seemed to be noticeably quicker than before. > > Imagine my surprise to see the first file arrive as a .tgz compressed > archive that, when extracted, contained some amateur radio content! Here > are the first few lines from the file that just arrived: > > ========================== > OUTERNET>APRS:>OUTERNET file created Fri Oct 7 05:00:19 UTC 2016 > VI50CC>APRS,RS0ISS*,qAR,ZL4JL-6::RS0ISS :Hello ZL James G/day Mate > RS0ISS>CQ,qAS,ZL1KM-H:>ARISS - International Space Station > K6PKL>CQ,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:=3748.51N/12112.44W-Solar powered, 20 watts > j-pole {UIV32N} > KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl tK\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS > PLEASE REPLY = > KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl"@K\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS > PLEASE REPLY = > KK6OTJ-7>DE1QYT,RS0ISS*,qAS,KK6RKY:`.BJl"cK\>CQ CQ CQ ALL LIVE OPERATORS > PLEASE REPLY = > RS0ISS>CQ,qAS,KK6RKY:>ARISS - International Space Station > ========================== > > ... and it continued with similar APRS type traffic. > > So, if my finding is any example, if anyone would like to optimize their > Outernet reception, or for that matter ANY L-band reception, you can do it > without dedicating one of the expensive SDR's to this function. The > metal-case rtl-sdr dongle with bias-T enabled was an excellent step up in > performance for me. > > -Scott, K4KDR > > ============= > ============= > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > >> AMSAT tinkerers? >> >> OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system >> designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have >> six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you >> need >> is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via >> your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. >> >> Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d >> like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. >> >> We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our >> Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See >> http://aprs.org/outnet.html >> >> Bob, WB4APR From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Oct 7 15:45:29 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 07:45:29 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? Message-ID: <201610071545.u97FjT9X012923@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> After Bob posted the info and links to Outernet I looked over the equipment and the satellite footprints. Not clear to me if there would be any reception at my latitude and longitude (60.688N, 151.331W). From years past I recall how few ISS passes came above the southern horizon far enough to any chance of contacts (max elev is 11-degrees for about 12-min long pass). And ISS is in Leo orbit so its constantly changing. A geo sat is fixed so you get - what you get (if it is too far east or west of me that is "nothing"). Highest elev angle for Geo-sat orbit is 21 degrees looking due south. Trees (solid forest) set lower elev limit at about 9-degrees in all directions. I used a 33-inch offset feed dish on AO-40 so that is available to put up with suitable feed. The 8-dBi patch may have too wide a beam pattern for use with such a dish. I wondered if using a cylindrical short cavity with the patch might increase gain and narrow the beam adequately? For 2.4G I used a six turn helical feed (RHCP). Good info on the rtl-sdr. I gave one to my step-son which we were unable to get good performance on VHF so maybe he would send it back to me. I sent him a used RS HF receiver which is what he wanted. Pretty sure the rtl-sdr is not in use (he was using Mac-OS which further complicated and frustrated getting sw running); I have win-XP32. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From bruninga at usna.edu Fri Oct 7 16:28:24 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:28:24 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? In-Reply-To: <201610071545.u97FjT9X012923@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201610071545.u97FjT9X012923@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <61682024700469cc466de3c402152545@mail.gmail.com> The http://aprs.org/outnet.html page now shows the OUTERNET coverage. It is virtually worldwide... Bob -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 11:45 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? After Bob posted the info and links to Outernet I looked over the equipment and the satellite footprints. Not clear to me if there would be any reception at my latitude and longitude (60.688N, 151.331W). From years past I recall how few ISS passes came above the southern horizon far enough to any chance of contacts (max elev is 11-degrees for about 12-min long pass). And ISS is in Leo orbit so its constantly changing. A geo sat is fixed so you get - what you get (if it is too far east or west of me that is "nothing"). Highest elev angle for Geo-sat orbit is 21 degrees looking due south. Trees (solid forest) set lower elev limit at about 9-degrees in all directions. I used a 33-inch offset feed dish on AO-40 so that is available to put up with suitable feed. The 8-dBi patch may have too wide a beam pattern for use with such a dish. I wondered if using a cylindrical short cavity with the patch might increase gain and narrow the beam adequately? For 2.4G I used a six turn helical feed (RHCP). Good info on the rtl-sdr. I gave one to my step-son which we were unable to get good performance on VHF so maybe he would send it back to me. I sent him a used RS HF receiver which is what he wanted. Pretty sure the rtl-sdr is not in use (he was using Mac-OS which further complicated and frustrated getting sw running); I have win-XP32. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From Mat_62 at charter.net Fri Oct 7 16:48:05 2016 From: Mat_62 at charter.net (Michael) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:48:05 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp Message-ID: Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband preamp that has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label to the preamp but it is still clear enough to determine the input and output connections. The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you would like you can check my seller feedback on e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. Thank you and 73, Michael, W4HIJ From rogern3rc at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 17:33:24 2016 From: rogern3rc at gmail.com (Roger Cooper) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:33:24 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Loss Between Right and Left Circular Message-ID: About 10 years ago got interested in sat radio and bought a Left Circular Quadrifilar Helix Antenna which got good review in QST. Didnt use it and now retired and trying to get on sat. Evidently most ham sats are right circular and depending on what I read. there is a 30db OR 3db loss going from one circular polarization to another. Which is it? Thanks Roger N3RC From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 17:39:55 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:39:55 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> Message-ID: <57F7DDEB.4070108@gmail.com> Hi Joe, My recollection is that there were some informal propagation studies done on the old RS-10/11 and RS-12/13 satellites. I found a few references back in the Amsat archives. See: http://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/satgen/idx050.html Good topic needing an update, even an informal one. Greg KO6TH Joe wrote: > I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years > on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 > > I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the > level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. > > Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full > of stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. > > BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the > air. > > BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore > all the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where > on this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing > nothing, then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the > S meter the signal is sooo strong. > > And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses > from one pass vs another should be the same. > > Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for > the whole pass duration. > > Very Interesting! > > Joe WB9SBD From pinoleronica at hotmail.com Fri Oct 7 17:41:07 2016 From: pinoleronica at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?UmFmYWVsIFBl8WE=?=) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 13:41:07 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] LVB/Amsat computer interface via USB ===> SatPC32 Message-ID: I have acquired a Yaesu G-5500 rotor / controller along with LVB/Amsat computer interface but for the sake of setup I cannot make it talk to SatPC32. Manually, azimuth / elevation works just fine using both Yaesu controller and LVB interface....LVB triggers the rotor just as the controller does individually. I read that SDX is the software to use with Yaesu GS-232a/b and compatible controllers . So I run the SDX file which comes with the SatPC32 setup file. This SDX file is in a folder within SatPC32. When I turn on the Yaesu controller, the USB connected to LVB gets detected by Windowz 10 and creates a COM8 automatically. I configured ServerSDX for this COM#. I also configured the SatPC32 Rotor setup and select the Yaesu Rotor (232). There are no more settings there to change. ServerSDX is suppose to run upon launching SatPC32. It is suppose to send data to the LVB so that rotor follows the satellite via program SatPC32. I do not see this happening. What am I missing? Any help is appreciated. Rafael A Pe?aNN3RP Washington, DC From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:00:55 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:00:55 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Loss Between Right and Left Circular In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57F7E2D7.50607@gmail.com> Hi Roger, Going from left to right, or right to left, with both sides being circular is in that 30db loss realm. I recall it being more like 20db, but once you get in that range, a few db either way kind of doesn't matter. In practice it's not quite that bad, since in practice nothing is perfectly circular, but, yeah, not a recipe for success. Crossing circular (either handed) with linear is 3db, I believe. Or was it 6? Anyway, not impossibly bad. Hopefully you also have a preamp at the antenna, which will offset a lot of this. If not, I'd invest in one, regardless of the polarization topic. I have a pair of switchable beam antennas for satellite work. My observation is that most of the newer satellites these days appear to be linear, and I've noticed that while there appears to be some difference between right vs left on the ground, crossed with their linear signals, most of the time it's not fatal. Either can work for at least part of the pass. Bottom line is that you've got a workable antenna. Try it and see what you get. Greg KO6TH Roger Cooper wrote: > About 10 years ago got interested in sat radio and bought a Left Circular > Quadrifilar Helix Antenna which got good review in QST. Didnt use it and > now retired and trying to get on sat. Evidently most ham sats are right > circular and depending on > what I read. there is a 30db OR 3db loss going from one circular > polarization to another. Which is it? > > Thanks Roger N3RC > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From gzook at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 18:18:39 2016 From: gzook at yahoo.com (Glen Zook) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Loss Between Right and Left Circular In-Reply-To: <57F7E2D7.50607@gmail.com> References: <57F7E2D7.50607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1754291450.226573.1475864319800@mail.yahoo.com> Theoretically, going from right hand to left hand circular polarization results in an infinite loss. ?However, in practice, the loss is generally around 20 dB although, in certain circumstances, it can be as high as 30 dB, or more. It is the same going between vertical polarization and horizontal polarization. ?Theoretically infinite but in practice more like 20 dB. Going from linear polarization to either left hand or right hand circular polarization results in a 3 dB loss. ?Glen, K9STH? Website: http://k9sth.net From: Greg D To: Roger Cooper Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Loss Between Right and Left Circular Hi Roger, Going from left to right, or right to left, with both sides being circular is in that 30db loss realm.? I recall it being more like 20db, but once you get in that range, a few db either way kind of doesn't matter.? In practice it's not quite that bad, since in practice nothing is perfectly circular, but, yeah, not a recipe for success. Crossing circular (either handed) with linear is 3db, I believe.? Or was it 6?? Anyway, not impossibly bad.? Hopefully you also have a preamp at the antenna, which will offset a lot of this.? If not, I'd invest in one, regardless of the polarization topic. I have a pair of switchable beam antennas for satellite work.? My observation is that most of the newer satellites these days appear to be linear, and I've noticed that while there appears to be some difference between right vs left on the ground, crossed with their linear signals, most of the time it's not fatal.? Either can work for at least part of the pass. Bottom line is that you've got a workable antenna.? Try it and see what you get. From w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 18:14:26 2016 From: w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com (Paul Andrews) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 14:14:26 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Loss Between Right and Left Circular In-Reply-To: <57F7E2D7.50607@gmail.com> References: <57F7E2D7.50607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Roger / Greg, Greg is correct the CubeSats appear to be mostly linear polarized. Using a RHCP or LHCP polarized ground antenna will limit your "satellite tumble" loss to 3db. I also have x-pol yagis and using CP on CubeSats makes operation a little easier but you give up a minimum of 3db on RX and TX However, satellite operation is not really weak signal and there is usually plenty of link margin. I agree, using 2m and 70cm preamps will greatly enhance your satellite experience. I have used both switchable linear x-pol yagis and RHCP yagis on CubeSats and FO-29 / AO-7. They both work - RHCP (circular) will minimize the deep signal nulls as the satellite tumbles. Be careful, I think FO-29 is a CP satellite so you need to pick the correct uplink sense. Linear will be ok FO29. This is the beauty of the handheld Arrow yagi. The human brain / ear combination directs this low gain linear polarized yagi to exactly the correct polarization everytime without the 3db CP penalty. The only problem with the Arrow is that you need to be outside in the rain and snow for every satellite pass. :) BTW - I have seen Arrow yagis mounted on Az/El rotors but now you lose the polarization correction. It's ham radio - try everything! 73 - Paul - W2HRO On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Greg D wrote: > Hi Roger, > > Going from left to right, or right to left, with both sides being > circular is in that 30db loss realm. I recall it being more like 20db, > but once you get in that range, a few db either way kind of doesn't > matter. In practice it's not quite that bad, since in practice nothing > is perfectly circular, but, yeah, not a recipe for success. > > Crossing circular (either handed) with linear is 3db, I believe. Or was > it 6? Anyway, not impossibly bad. Hopefully you also have a preamp at > the antenna, which will offset a lot of this. If not, I'd invest in > one, regardless of the polarization topic. > > I have a pair of switchable beam antennas for satellite work. My > observation is that most of the newer satellites these days appear to be > linear, and I've noticed that while there appears to be some difference > between right vs left on the ground, crossed with their linear signals, > most of the time it's not fatal. Either can work for at least part of > the pass. > > Bottom line is that you've got a workable antenna. Try it and see what > you get. > > Greg KO6TH > > > Roger Cooper wrote: >> About 10 years ago got interested in sat radio and bought a Left Circular >> Quadrifilar Helix Antenna which got good review in QST. Didnt use it and >> now retired and trying to get on sat. Evidently most ham sats are right >> circular and depending on >> what I read. there is a 30db OR 3db loss going from one circular >> polarization to another. Which is it? >> >> Thanks Roger N3RC >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From Mat_62 at charter.net Fri Oct 7 18:34:57 2016 From: Mat_62 at charter.net (Michael) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 14:34:57 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a6c917d-7442-1b71-acaf-bf4a662cf9d8@charter.net> On 10/7/2016 12:48 PM, Michael wrote: Both these items have now been spoken for. If something changes or falls through I will let everyone know. Thanks for your interest, Michael, W4HIJ > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to > sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube > Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube > outlet to a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which > includes shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an > Amsat broadband preamp that has never been used. There is some wear > and tear on the label to the preamp but it is still clear enough to > determine the input and output connections. The price on it is $35.00 > dollars including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I > cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is absolutely no > smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in the > house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international > shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested > but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you > would like you can check my seller feedback on e-bay under w4hij. Stay > tuned as their may be more stuff coming down the line to be posted for > sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. > Thank you and 73, > Michael, W4HIJ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From Mat_62 at charter.net Fri Oct 7 19:32:21 2016 From: Mat_62 at charter.net (Michael) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 15:32:21 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <3a6c917d-7442-1b71-acaf-bf4a662cf9d8@charter.net> References: <3a6c917d-7442-1b71-acaf-bf4a662cf9d8@charter.net> Message-ID: <408d4143-de77-531e-ad19-8d1b25ebabba@charter.net> On 10/7/2016 2:34 PM, Michael wrote: The items have now officially been sold. Thanks for everyones interest. Michael > On 10/7/2016 12:48 PM, Michael wrote: > Both these items have now been spoken for. If something changes or > falls through I will let everyone know. > Thanks for your interest, > Michael, W4HIJ > > >> Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to >> sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube >> Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube >> outlet to a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which >> includes shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an >> Amsat broadband preamp that has never been used. There is some wear >> and tear on the label to the preamp but it is still clear enough to >> determine the input and output connections. The price on it is $35.00 >> dollars including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I >> cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is absolutely no >> smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in the >> house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international >> shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested >> but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you >> would like you can check my seller feedback on e-bay under w4hij. >> Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down the line to be >> posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. >> Thank you and 73, >> Michael, W4HIJ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 21:11:16 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 07:11:16 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> Dude How can I get some money to you ? Andrew Paypal ? Andrew > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 02:48, Michael wrote: > > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband preamp that has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label to the preamp but it is still clear enough to determine the input and output connections. The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you would like you can check my seller feedback on e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. > Thank you and 73, > Michael, W4HIJ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kb1pvh at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 21:13:17 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:13:17 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> Message-ID: I guess you missed to post that items were sold. On 10/7/2016 2:34 PM, Michael wrote: The items have now officially been sold. Thanks for everyones interest. Michael Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 On Oct 7, 2016 5:11 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: > Dude > > How can I get some money to you ? > > Andrew > > Paypal ? > > Andrew > > > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 02:48, Michael wrote: > > > > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to sell > some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro > + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to a female F > connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes shipping to > anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband preamp that > has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label to the preamp > but it is still clear enough to determine the input and output connections. > The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to anywhere in the > lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is > absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in > the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international shipping > at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested but these are > two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you would like you can > check my seller feedback o > n e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down > the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are > interested. > > Thank you and 73, > > Michael, W4HIJ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 21:15:19 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 07:15:19 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> I think u missed the point I want to give this guy some money cause he is hurting Paypal is international I am in Australia Andrew > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:13, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote: > > I guess you missed to post that items were sold. > > On 10/7/2016 2:34 PM, Michael wrote: > The items have now officially been sold. Thanks for everyones interest. > Michael > > Dave-KB1PVH > > Sent from my Galaxy S7 > > > On Oct 7, 2016 5:11 PM, "Andrew Rich" > wrote: > Dude > > How can I get some money to you ? > > Andrew > > Paypal ? > > Andrew > > > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 02:48, Michael > wrote: > > > > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband preamp that has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label to the preamp but it is still clear enough to determine the input and output connections. The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you would like you can check my seller feedback o > n e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. > > Thank you and 73, > > Michael, W4HIJ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kb1pvh at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 21:20:11 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:20:11 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> Message-ID: Silly me for thinking that you thought it was the deal of a lifetime. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 On Oct 7, 2016 5:15 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: > I think u missed the point I want to give this guy some money cause he is > hurting > > Paypal is international > > I am in Australia > > Andrew > > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:13, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote: > > I guess you missed to post that items were sold. > > On 10/7/2016 2:34 PM, Michael wrote: > The items have now officially been sold. Thanks for everyones interest. > Michael > > Dave-KB1PVH > > Sent from my Galaxy S7 > > On Oct 7, 2016 5:11 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: > >> Dude >> >> How can I get some money to you ? >> >> Andrew >> >> Paypal ? >> >> Andrew >> >> > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 02:48, Michael wrote: >> > >> > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to sell >> some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro >> + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to a female F >> connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes shipping to >> anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband preamp that >> has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label to the preamp >> but it is still clear enough to determine the input and output connections. >> The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to anywhere in the >> lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is >> absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in >> the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international shipping >> at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested but these are >> two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you would like you can >> check my seller feedback o >> n e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down >> the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are >> interested. >> > Thank you and 73, >> > Michael, W4HIJ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 21:21:49 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 07:21:49 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> I am sorry your thought process is flawed Andrew > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:20, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote: > > Silly me for thinking that you thought it was the deal of a lifetime. > > Dave-KB1PVH > > Sent from my Galaxy S7 > > > On Oct 7, 2016 5:15 PM, "Andrew Rich" > wrote: > I think u missed the point I want to give this guy some money cause he is hurting > > Paypal is international > > I am in Australia > > Andrew > >> On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:13, Dave Webb KB1PVH > wrote: >> >> I guess you missed to post that items were sold. >> >> On 10/7/2016 2:34 PM, Michael wrote: >> The items have now officially been sold. Thanks for everyones interest. >> Michael >> >> Dave-KB1PVH >> >> Sent from my Galaxy S7 >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2016 5:11 PM, "Andrew Rich" > wrote: >> Dude >> >> How can I get some money to you ? >> >> Andrew >> >> Paypal ? >> >> Andrew >> >> > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 02:48, Michael > wrote: >> > >> > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband preamp that has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label to the preamp but it is still clear enough to determine the input and output connections. The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke free. There is absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a smoker elsewhere in the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of international shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if requested but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If you would like you can check my seller feedback o >> n e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. >> > Thank you and 73, >> > Michael, W4HIJ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From kb1pvh at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 21:23:57 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:23:57 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> Message-ID: Must be tough being do good. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 On Oct 7, 2016 5:21 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: > I am sorry your thought process is flawed > > Andrew > > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:20, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote: > > Silly me for thinking that you thought it was the deal of a lifetime. > > Dave-KB1PVH > > Sent from my Galaxy S7 > > On Oct 7, 2016 5:15 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: > >> I think u missed the point I want to give this guy some money cause he is >> hurting >> >> Paypal is international >> >> I am in Australia >> >> Andrew >> >> On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:13, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote: >> >> I guess you missed to post that items were sold. >> >> On 10/7/2016 2:34 PM, Michael wrote: >> The items have now officially been sold. Thanks for everyones interest. >> Michael >> >> Dave-KB1PVH >> >> Sent from my Galaxy S7 >> >> On Oct 7, 2016 5:11 PM, "Andrew Rich" wrote: >> >>> Dude >>> >>> How can I get some money to you ? >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> Paypal ? >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 02:48, Michael wrote: >>> > >>> > Once again I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to >>> sell some ham gear because of hardship in my family. I have a Funcube >>> Dongle Pro + and a short cable adapter that goes from the Funcube outlet to >>> a female F connector. Priced to sell quick at 105.00 which includes >>> shipping to anywhere in the lower 48 states. I also have an Amsat broadband >>> preamp that has never been used. There is some wear and tear on the label >>> to the preamp but it is still clear enough to determine the input and >>> output connections. The price on it is $35.00 dollars including shipping to >>> anywhere in the lower 48 states. I cannot claim these items to be smoke >>> free. There is absolutely no smoking in the radio room but there is a >>> smoker elsewhere in the house. I'm sorry but I cannot handle any kind of >>> international shipping at this time. PAYPAL ONLY. Pictures can be sent if >>> requested but these are two small items and I guarantee them to work. If >>> you would like you can check my seller feedback o >>> n e-bay under w4hij. Stay tuned as their may be more stuff coming down >>> the line to be posted for sale. Please contact me off list if you are >>> interested. >>> > Thank you and 73, >>> > Michael, W4HIJ >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >>> of AMSAT-NA. >>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >> >> > From zmetzing at pobox.com Fri Oct 7 21:28:49 2016 From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:28:49 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <50788d42-0768-de9b-874e-f7845c458625@pobox.com> On 10/07/16 16:21, Andrew Rich wrote: > I am sorry your thought process is flawed Could we possibly get back to discussing AMSAT-related things and less with the personal insults? Thanks, --- Zach N0ZGO From bruninga at usna.edu Fri Oct 7 21:28:58 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:28:58 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back Message-ID: <4cce11d03ca8cca0daff125f2a504a47@mail.gmail.com> Another possible APRS Message return path is to use very low power, reliable WSPR links. Although WSPR only communicates CALLSIGN and then GRID, and POWER in only 22 bits, we have already exploited simple FIVE DIGIT communications on our next QIKCOM- satellite (awaiting launch). http://aprs.org/qikcom-2.html Via QIKCOM-2, any user with only a DTMF Ham Radio HT can communicate into the global APRS system using even an ICOM-2AT that is 40 years old. Using 4 digit codes we can communicate: ? Grid position ? Any of the 43 ARRL Radiograms ? Including a 2 digit modifier in some messages with variables ? Such as #30 which can say any of the 14 Maritime emergency codes ? And there are still thousands of codes remaining in the 22 bit space. See now we are proposing to experiment with a parallel WSPR return path for this OUTNET Ham Radio OUTERNET experiment. http://aprs.org/wspr-out.html So, if you are playing with WSPR in addition to your AMSAT interests, let me know. Bob Bruninga, WB4APR *From:* Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga at usna.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:52 PM *Subject:* Global Geo SATCOM system? AMSAT tinkerers? OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See http://aprs.org/outnet.html Bob, WB4APR From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 21:30:38 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 07:30:38 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <50788d42-0768-de9b-874e-f7845c458625@pobox.com> References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> <50788d42-0768-de9b-874e-f7845c458625@pobox.com> Message-ID: <84E34769-DEE9-433F-BF86-71E822C1A05A@tech-software.net> I agree What wxsat antenna should I build today ? Have preamp and need to make up a DC BIAS 137 MHz Andrew > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:28, Zach Metzinger wrote: > > On 10/07/16 16:21, Andrew Rich wrote: >> I am sorry your thought process is flawed > > Could we possibly get back to discussing AMSAT-related things and less with the personal insults? > > Thanks, > > --- Zach > N0ZGO > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 7 21:31:43 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 07:31:43 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back In-Reply-To: <4cce11d03ca8cca0daff125f2a504a47@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cce11d03ca8cca0daff125f2a504a47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: APRS via INMARSAT please Andrew > On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:28, Robert Bruninga wrote: > > Another possible APRS Message return path is to use very low power, > reliable WSPR links. > > > > Although WSPR only communicates CALLSIGN and then GRID, and POWER in only > 22 bits, we have already exploited simple FIVE DIGIT communications on our > next QIKCOM- satellite (awaiting launch). http://aprs.org/qikcom-2.html > > > > Via QIKCOM-2, any user with only a DTMF Ham Radio HT can communicate into > the global APRS system using even an ICOM-2AT that is 40 years old. Using > 4 digit codes we can communicate: > > ? Grid position > > ? Any of the 43 ARRL Radiograms > > ? Including a 2 digit modifier in some messages with variables > > ? Such as #30 which can say any of the 14 Maritime emergency codes > > ? And there are still thousands of codes remaining in the 22 bit > space. > > > > See now we are proposing to experiment with a parallel WSPR return path for > this OUTNET Ham Radio OUTERNET experiment. > > http://aprs.org/wspr-out.html > > > > So, if you are playing with WSPR in addition to your AMSAT interests, let > me know. > > > > Bob Bruninga, WB4APR > > > > *From:* Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga at usna.edu] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:52 PM > *Subject:* Global Geo SATCOM system? > > > > AMSAT tinkerers? > > > > OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system > designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have > six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need > is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via > your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. > > > > Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d > like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. > > > > We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our > Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See > http://aprs.org/outnet.html > > > > Bob, WB4APR > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From martha at amsat.org Fri Oct 7 21:42:43 2016 From: martha at amsat.org (Martha) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:42:43 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Office Closed Message-ID: The AMSAT Office will be closed on Monday, October 10th in observance of Columbus Day. -- 73- Martha From wa6fwf at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 22:00:01 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 15:00:01 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] F.S. Funcube and Amsat pre amp In-Reply-To: <84E34769-DEE9-433F-BF86-71E822C1A05A@tech-software.net> References: <04517CA2-BB1A-4FEE-A340-FE17BBAB10E2@tech-software.net> <1D9D118D-05D5-45C1-B68B-D43F1E30E3BE@tech-software.net> <11293C94-7F55-4A51-B57C-FCD72568A28E@tech-software.net> <50788d42-0768-de9b-874e-f7845c458625@pobox.com> <84E34769-DEE9-433F-BF86-71E822C1A05A@tech-software.net> Message-ID: I can tell you the one listed here works very well for APT. http://www.askrlc.co.uk/ Kevin On 10/7/2016 2:30 PM, Andrew Rich wrote: > I agree > > What wxsat antenna should I build today ? > > Have preamp and need to make up a DC BIAS > > 137 MHz > > Andrew > >> On 8 Oct. 2016, at 07:28, Zach Metzinger wrote: >> >> On 10/07/16 16:21, Andrew Rich wrote: >>> I am sorry your thought process is flawed >> Could we possibly get back to discussing AMSAT-related things and less with the personal insults? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --- Zach >> N0ZGO >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k.alexander at rogers.com Fri Oct 7 22:48:47 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:48:47 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Activating EN92/93 Message-ID: Hi All, I'm going to spend tomorrow afternoon (Saturday October 8th) on the EN92/93 line and will be available on the following passes: ---------------------------------------------------------- Day Objects AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl AZ ---------------------------------------------------------- 08.10.2016 FO-29 16:19 16:36 17 82 165 - 347 08.10.2016 AO-07 16:44 16:50 06 08 052 - 005 08.10.2016 SO-50 17:19 17:29 10 77 210 - 037 08.10.2016 FO-29 18:07 18:19 12 18 226 - 326 08.10.2016 AO-07 18:29 18:46 17 32 118 - 350 08.10.2016 SO-50 19:01 19:09 08 19 270 - 020 08.10.2016 AO-07 20:21 20:39 18 66 173 - 340 The purpose of the trip is to buy some smoked fish in Port Dover, ON, further south in EN92. I *_may_* be late to the first pass if I have trouble finding what I came for. 73, Ken VE3HLS From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 23:07:43 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:07:43 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Activating EN03 Message-ID: Greeting everyone. I will be activating EN03 tomorrow Saturday October 8th. I will be active on multiple sats but will focus mainly on FO29 and AO7. You can find me in the top half of the bands. Here is my estimated schedule... Saturday 1400 fo-29, ao-73, xw-2a 1500 1600 fo-29, ao-73 1700 so-50, ao-73 1800 fo-29, so-50, ukube-1 1900 fo-29 2000 ao-7, so-50, ukube-1 2100 2200 so-50 2200 ao-7, ao-85, 2300 Sunday 0000 so-50, ao-85, xw-2c 0100 so-50, ao-73, xw-2a 0200 ao-85 0300 so-50, ao-73 0400 ao-85 0500 so-50 I can be contacted at chad at kg0mw.com Chad KG0MW From scott23192 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 23:21:24 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 19:21:24 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back In-Reply-To: <4cce11d03ca8cca0daff125f2a504a47@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cce11d03ca8cca0daff125f2a504a47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fascinating write-up as always, Bob. I promise that my answer for everything isn?t the Raspberry Pi, but on the chance that anyone is not aware, TAPR has a daughter-board for the Pi that transmits 20-meter WSPR. https://www.tapr.org/kits_20M-wspr-pi.html While this unit does not allow for frequency or band adjustment, if an alternative APRS WSPR frequency ever comes into being, perhaps a way could be found to adjust the TX frequency of the TAPR board. Like a lot of folks, I can attest to the amazing propagation of WSPR... with just a random wire strung across my living room, my signal from the TAPR WSPR board was heard across the US and in much of Europe & Australia. When I changed to properly sized dipole outdoors, the reception confirmations multiplied x10 or more. With the Pi being cheap and having low electrical power requirements, I just wanted to chime in with a mention of the TAPR board. -Scott, K4KDR ================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 5:28 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back Another possible APRS Message return path is to use very low power, reliable WSPR links. Although WSPR only communicates CALLSIGN and then GRID, and POWER in only 22 bits, we have already exploited simple FIVE DIGIT communications on our next QIKCOM- satellite (awaiting launch). http://aprs.org/qikcom-2.html Via QIKCOM-2, any user with only a DTMF Ham Radio HT can communicate into the global APRS system using even an ICOM-2AT that is 40 years old. Using 4 digit codes we can communicate: ? Grid position ? Any of the 43 ARRL Radiograms ? Including a 2 digit modifier in some messages with variables ? Such as #30 which can say any of the 14 Maritime emergency codes ? And there are still thousands of codes remaining in the 22 bit space. See now we are proposing to experiment with a parallel WSPR return path for this OUTNET Ham Radio OUTERNET experiment. http://aprs.org/wspr-out.html So, if you are playing with WSPR in addition to your AMSAT interests, let me know. Bob Bruninga, WB4APR ================================================================== *From:* Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga at usna.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:52 PM *Subject:* Global Geo SATCOM system? AMSAT tinkerers? OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See http://aprs.org/outnet.html Bob, WB4APR From w5rkn at w5rkn.com Fri Oct 7 23:27:13 2016 From: w5rkn at w5rkn.com (Ronald G. Parsons) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 18:27:13 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Improving intelligibility on FM satellites Message-ID: <599656A61EB24A5B99EDA08E5438E2FD@Ron8300PC> I have investigated increasing intelligibility of the FM satellites as received by my Flex-6500. At first I suspected the demodulation by SmartSDR. This was tested by paralleling the downlink transverted signal to the Flex-6500 and to an Icom IC-R8500. Tests showed no significant difference between SmartSDR NFM (11 kHz) and R8500 FM (12 kHz) The NFM has better intelligibility than FM (16 kHz) for SmartSDR both uplink and downlink. However, a significant improvement was obtained by adjusting the RX EQ in SmartSDR to match my speakers and ears. An easy and cheap fix and it applies to whatever speakers and radios you are using. The link below shows the EQ I am using. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Jez46MB5RaVXBMeFNBYU5wRWc/view?usp=sharing Ron W5RKN From morgan_st at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 8 01:14:58 2016 From: morgan_st at bellsouth.net (Stewart Todd Morgan) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 21:14:58 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back Message-ID: Just so folks are aware, some amateur radio balloons have been using WSPR in conjunction with APRS in order to track global flights. For example, W7QO has used WSPR transmitters on solar powered floater flights at about 13000 meters/40000 ft. The data are collected using the global WSPR network, and then an APRS posit is created to make the balloon's position available. If you look at https://tracker.habhub.org at the present time, you can see one W7QO's balloons (the HIRFW-6 flight presently near the Mediterranean Sea) that use use this WSPR/APRS combination. The balloon is transmitting WSPR on 20 meters, and you can see it on the WSPR map, although the WSPR call changes (I believe it depends on position). HIRFW-5 is another such flight that is currently aloft. Todd AL0I From planophore at aei.ca Sat Oct 8 14:35:29 2016 From: planophore at aei.ca (Graham) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 14:35:29 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d6bcb4b-5209-ef24-a94a-3fafbc3236d2@aei.ca> VE3KCL is another and has been lofting balloons like this for some time. Currently his S-18 aloft and heading out over the Atlantic, near real time tracking here: http://www.qrp-labs.com/flights/s18.html callsign is VE3OCL And he has his S-19 pending, perhaps release tomorrow, near real time tracking here: http://www.qrp-labs.com/flights/s19.html callsign will be VE3KCL the unique way that WSPR is used in order to provide telemetry is through the use of a so called telemetry frame. These frames have a callsign which starts with a 0 (zero) and the third character denotes which telemetry channel is being used and is unique to each flight. In the case of S18 the telemetry frame will use channel 3 and it's callsign will start as 0.3... where the . represent other characters which will be decoded to extract additional details. S19 will use telemetry channel 2 SM0ULC David, has written a program to extract the WSPR frames and upload tracking information to HabHub, links on on the above noted web pages more details of the telemetry and previous flights can be found here: http://www.qrp-labs.com/flights.html cheers, Graham ve3gtc On 2016-10-08 01:14, Stewart Todd Morgan wrote: > Just so folks are aware, some amateur radio balloons have been using > WSPR in conjunction with APRS in order to track global flights. For > example, W7QO has used WSPR transmitters on solar powered floater > flights at about 13000 meters/40000 ft. The data are collected using > the global WSPR network, and then an APRS posit is created to make the > balloon's position available. > > If you look at https://tracker.habhub.org at the present time, you can > see one W7QO's balloons (the HIRFW-6 flight presently near the > Mediterranean Sea) that use use this WSPR/APRS combination. The > balloon is transmitting WSPR on 20 meters, and you can see it on the > WSPR map, although the WSPR call changes (I believe it depends on > position). HIRFW-5 is another such flight that is currently aloft. > > Todd > AL0I > From morgan_st at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 8 17:42:55 2016 From: morgan_st at bellsouth.net (Stewart Todd Morgan) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 13:42:55 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? and WSPR back Message-ID: VK3YT is another operator flying balloons using WSPR, sometimes in tandem with other modes like JT9. Documentation for the PS-xx flights is at http://picospace.net/. Todd AL0I From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 18:45:06 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 13:45:06 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Activating EN03 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E238045-EA98-44A1-94FE-3AB4E2C1AF58@gmail.com> Been trying fo29 passes with no luck. I can hear the bird just couldn't get my signal through on last pass. Will try again on the last pass for today. I will however be on So50 and try ao7 after that. Chad KG0MW En03/p Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Chad Phillips wrote: > > Greeting everyone. I will be activating EN03 tomorrow Saturday October 8th. I will be active on multiple sats but will focus mainly on FO29 and AO7. You can find me in the top half of the bands. Here is my estimated schedule... > Saturday > > 1400 fo-29, ao-73, xw-2a > > 1500 > > 1600 fo-29, ao-73 > > 1700 so-50, ao-73 > > 1800 fo-29, so-50, ukube-1 > > 1900 fo-29 > > 2000 ao-7, so-50, ukube-1 > > 2100 > > 2200 so-50 > > 2200 ao-7, ao-85, > > 2300 > > > > > > Sunday > > 0000 so-50, ao-85, xw-2c > > 0100 so-50, ao-73, xw-2a > > 0200 ao-85 > > 0300 so-50, ao-73 > > 0400 ao-85 > > 0500 so-50 > > > > I can be contacted at chad at kg0mw.com > > > > > > Chad KG0MW From kk5do at arrl.net Sat Oct 8 23:11:11 2016 From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 18:11:11 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Online Store Message-ID: Looks as if the AMSAT online store has had it's Grand Reopening and is awaiting your visit. For those going on the AMSAT Cruise in November, remember, if you are attending the symposium talks you need to also purchase from the online store (AMSAT Symposium in left menu) a Symposium Registration. This will allow you entrance to the talks and a copy of the symposium proceedings. 73...bruce -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards AMSAT Board Member 2016-2018 AMSAT Board Alternate 2015-2016 ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat From jim at k6ccc.org Sat Oct 8 23:11:49 2016 From: jim at k6ccc.org (Jim Walls) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 16:11:49 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> Message-ID: My first guess would be that because AO-7 is functionally running with no battery, if one station is running high power, it easily hogs all the power available. Jim K6CCC -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Joe" > Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:11 AM > To: "amsat-bb" > Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 > > I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years > on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 > > I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the > level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. > > Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of > stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. > > BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the air. > > BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all > the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on > this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, > then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the > signal is sooo strong. > > And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from > one pass vs another should be the same. > > Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the > whole pass duration. > > Very Interesting! > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wao at vfr.net Sun Oct 9 03:58:52 2016 From: wao at vfr.net (Joseph Spier) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:58:52 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-283 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins Message-ID: AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-283 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-editor at amsat.org. In this edition: * AMSAT-NA 2016 Space Symposium Keynote Speaker Announced * RadFxSat Passes Post-Shock Tests * AMSAT Office Closed October 10th * 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Registration Still Open * IK1SLD Team Establishes 50 ARISS Telebridge Contacts * ARISS Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 * AMSAT Events * ARISS News * Satellite Shorts From All Over SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-283.01 ANS-283 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins AMSAT News Service Bulletin 283.01 >From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD. DATE October 9, 2016 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-283.01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSAT-NA 2016 Space Symposium Keynote Speaker Announced Peter Guelzow, DB2OS, President of AMSAT-DL, will be the Keynote Speaker at AMSAT-NA?s 2016 Space Symposium. This year?s ?Symposium at Sea? takes place on board the CARNIVAL LIBERTY that departs Galveston, TX on Thursday,10 NOV 16. Peter?s presentation is entitled, ?Amateur Radio beyond Earth Orbit?. AMSAT-NA President Barry Baines, WD4ASW extended the invitation for Peter to speak, noting, "When I approached the AMSAT Board of Directors to seek their input concerning potential banquet speakers, there was unanimous agreement that having Peter as our speaker was a wonderful idea. As President of AMSAT-DL, Peter is in a unique position to provide details about the P4-A project (Es?hail 2) and how it will impact amateur communications from space under its footprint. The evolution of AMSAT-DL and how Peter sees AMSAT-DL?s moving forward in the coming years would be of significant interest to our attendees. Peter has also observed the development of other AMSAT organizations in Europe, the Middle East as well as in the Pacific Rim. In his acceptance of the invitation to speak, Peter said, ?It's indeed quite a while ago since my last visit to the AMSAT-NA Symposium and thus I?m looking very much forward to seeing all good friends again.? Peter became President of AMSAT-DL in 2001 after the launch of AMSAT OSCAR-40 (P3-D) when he had the role as AMSAT Mission Director Launch Campaign in Kourou, French Guyana. An amateur radio operator since 1979, Peter has served in a variety of roles with AMSAT-DL since 1983. His professional career as an engineer responsible for production testing of Car Multimedia and Navigation devices for a huge German automotive supplier has included extensive travel around the world, allowing him to interact with amateur radio organizations worldwide, building relationships and support for amateur radio in space. The relationship between AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-DL is a long one, going back to the 1970s, first with the development of AO-7 and later with the Phase-3 programs through Phase 3-D (AO-40). The decision by Congress to apply ITAR (International Traffic and Arms Regulations, managed by the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls, Dept. of State) to communications satellites forced AMSAT-NA to withhold technical collaboration on amateur satellites with other international AMSAT organizations. Changes in US law in 2014 now makes it easier for potential international collaboration involving AMSAT-NA on future amateur satellite projects should an opportunity arise that is of mutual interest where a launch opportunity is identified. [ANS thanks 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium Committee for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- RadFxSat Passes Post-Shock Tests In a late night session Tuesday, the Short Functional Test was performed on RadFxSat and showed that the CubeSat is functioning well after the shock testing. The test was streamed live on YouTube and the archive is available for viewing, at http://www.YouTube.com/c/n0jy/live RadFxSat is the first of the four Fox-1 CubeSats built to date to be subjected to shock testing, which was necessary for qualification to fly on the Delta II ELaNa XIV Mission scheduled to launch March 16, 2017. Being the first shock test experience we were cautious about what the result may be. While Fox-1s have previously been subjected to and passed other tests such as vibration testing, each type of environmental test is significantly different. The Short Functional Test, along with the previously reported Aliveness Test, is conducted before each environmental test is performed (shock, vibe, bakeout) and after the final environmental test is finished in order to determine that the Fox-1 CubeSat is functioning nominally prior to testing and is still functioning nominally after each test. Short Functional Test (SFT) verifies the operation of the IHU, battery, transmitter, receiver, experiment, telemetry, and command systems through 51 steps of actions, measurements and observations. With the successful completion of the SFT the Fox Team performed the Preflight Procedure. This procedure places the IHU in the launch state so that it is configured as it will be during launch, for the next environmental test. It looks like Hurricane Matthew will cooperate with our plans to travel to Boston on Sunday, October 9, so the next stop is NTS in Boxborough, MA for the final environmental testing which includes vibration and bakeout. Live streaming of the environmental tests will not be possible due to ITAR and camera restrictions at the test facility, but streaming of the Short Functional and Aliveness tests and the preparation of RadFxSat for some of the testing may be available from the hotel room if the timing is such that they are performed outside the test facility. http://www.amsat.org/?p=5597 [ANS thanks Jerry Buxton, N0JY, AMSAT Vice Presdient, Engineering for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSAT Office Closed October 10th The will be closed on Monday, October 10th in observance of Columbus Day. [ANS thanks Martha, AMSAT-NA for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Registration Still Open If you are an Individual attending Symposium on board the CARNIVAL LIBERTY departing Galveston, TX on November 10, you must register to attend the AMSAT Space Symposium & Annual Meeting through AMSAT. Cruise arrangements made through Carnival Cruise Lines does not include the registration fee for the Symposium itself. There are three options to register for Symposium: -Complete and mail to the AMSAT Office the 2016 Symposium Registration Form that was sent to all AMSAT members back in July along with the BoD ballot along with payment; -Call the AMSAT Office (301-822-4376) and speak with AMSAT Office Manager Martha Saragovitz ; or -Use the AMSAT Store (store.amsat.org) by selecting the ?2016 AMSAT-NA Symposium Registration? link found under ?Bestsellers? on the right hand side of the store?s main page. Registration for the Symposium is $40.00 and includes a copy of the ?Proceedings? that contains papers written for the Symposium as well as technical documentation that AMSAT is placing in the public domain. The ?Proceedings? will be available to attendees onboard ship. In addition, the registration provides a means to confirm the number of individuals in your party planning to attend the AMSAT Banquet as well as an opportunity to reserve seats for the Field Ops Breakfast. Both meals are open to anyone wishing to attend (AMSAT Registration is not necessary) and there is no charge for either event as food is included in your cruise package. However, by indicating how many individuals will be attending, it helps to ensure that sufficient seating is made available for each activity. As the AMSAT Office will not be open after Monday, 7 NOV 16 through that week, we ask that your Symposium Registration be received at the AMSAT office by Friday, 4 NOV 16. [ANS thanks 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium Committee for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- IK1SLD Team Establishes 50 ARISS Telebridge Contacts Saturday saw the IK1SLD Team establishing the 50th ARISS Telebridge contact in 6 years of operation. IK1SLD has now established 45 successful Telebridge contacts and 5 successful Direct/Telebridge contacts. In addition, IK1SLD has also established 5 successful Direct contacts and supported 35 Direct contacts as remote back-up ground station. Congratulation IK1SLD! [ANS thanks Francesco, IK?WGF for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. [ANS thanks ARISS for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSAT Events Information about AMSAT activities at other important events around the country. Examples of these events are radio club meetings where AMSAT Area Coordinators give presentations, demonstrations of working amateur satellites, and hamfests with an AMSAT presence (a table with AMSAT literature and merchandise, sometimes also with presentations, forums, and/or demonstrations). *Friday and Saturday, 21-22 October 2016 ? CopaFest 2016, south of Maricopa AZ *Saturday, 12 November 2016 ? Oro Valley Amateur Radio Club Hamfest in Marana AZ *Saturday, 3 December 2016 ? Superstition Superfest in Mesa AZ *Saturday, 14 January 2017 ? Thunderbird Hamfest 2017 in Phoenix AZ *Saturday, 4 February 2017 ? Palm Springs Hamfest in Palm Springs CA *Friday-Sunday, 10-12 February 2017 Orlando HamCation in Orlando, FL *Friday and Saturday, 17-18 February 2017 ? Yuma Hamfest in Yuma AZ [ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS News Successful Contacts * Sekolah Kebangsaan Jalan Pasar 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, direct via 9M2RPN The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Thu 2016-10-06 18:24:00 UTC 46 deg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8a9ik9cI8 * iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact was successful: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3754OMnjQ In 2001, iSPACE, a 501(c)(3) organization, incorporated as a STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) educational resource for schools throughout the Greater Cincinnati region. The iSPACE mission is to make STEM learning exciting and to promote STEM career awareness, through interactive programs for students, educators and families in the region. iSPACE provides innovative and effective programs, events and learning experiences for students (grades pre-K?12), their educators and their families including field trips, outreach, professional development and other programs that stimulate interest and appreciation for STEM. In 2015, iSPACE programs served a diverse population of 24,731 youth and 5,791 adults in more than 500 schools. iSPACE works diligently to collaborate within the regional and their programs are recognized for their effectiveness throughout the STEM community. Through rigorous alignment to national and state standards and the utilization of best practices, iSPACE continues to develop curriculum for educators and inquiry?-based educational opportunities for students. iSPACE has made a mark in Greater Cincinnati for our high quality programs that measurably and effectively inspire students in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, increase their content knowledge and introduce them to STEM careers. Upcoming Contacts * Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg * University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg Watch http://www.ariss.org/upcoming-contacts.html for information about upcoming contacts as they are scheduled. [ANS thanks ARISS, Dave, AA4KN, and Charlie, AJ9N for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- /EX In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi- tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT Office. Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu- dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status. Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership information. 73, This week's ANS Editor, Joe Spier, K6WAO k6wao at amsat dot org From Mvivona at yahoo.com Sun Oct 9 05:22:29 2016 From: Mvivona at yahoo.com (Mvivona) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 01:22:29 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> Message-ID: <58E138E0-CC8E-4268-97F4-470D4B85FD9E@yahoo.com> I know this has probably been explained before, but help me understand as this has always puzzled me. For example purposes I'm going to use 1 watt as the theoretical satellite's output and only one ground station on the input. The way I understand is: If AO-7 (or any other SSB repeater) receives a signal, it keys up the transmitter side and passes the audio through. If AO-7 transmitter is let's say a 1 watt, then a full quieting signal on the input should make the output max out at 1 watt. If the input signal is weak and noisy, then the output might only be 1/2 watt. Please explain how the repeater's transmitter can put out more than 1 watt (using more power) if the ground station goes well beyond full quieting by uplinking with let's say 500watts. Thanks in advance for the explanation. Michael KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Jim Walls wrote: My first guess would be that because AO-7 is functionally running with no battery, if one station is running high power, it easily hogs all the power available. Jim K6CCC -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Joe" > Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:11 AM > To: "amsat-bb" > Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 > > I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years > on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 > > I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the > level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. > > Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of > stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. > > BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the air. > > BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all > the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on > this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, > then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the > signal is sooo strong. > > And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from > one pass vs another should be the same. > > Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the > whole pass duration. > > Very Interesting! > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From AJ9N at aol.com Sun Oct 9 05:26:20 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 01:26:20 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-09 05:30 UTC Message-ID: <37f145.4105ee4.452b2efc@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-09 05:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: iSPACE, Cincinnati OH, telebridge via IK1SLD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact was successful: Sat 2016-10-08 16:15:10 UTC 57 deg (***) Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg Congratulations to IK1SLD for his 50th solo telebridge contact. IK1SLD has also participated in 5 other jointly coordinated contacts. (***) **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-09 05:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1087. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1052. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-09 05:30 UTC. (***) http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 05:30:09 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 22:30:09 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> Message-ID: <57F9D5E1.6000403@gmail.com> This is true for all linear transponders, not unique to AO-07. It's the way linear transponders work; the output power is divided among the signals within the passband. Once the total transmit power budget is reached, a station using higher power starts taking power away from the other stations, thus being a hog. With linear transponders, the best way to make your signal louder is to work first on your own receive capability, not the transmit side. What is a problem with AO-07, however, is that a strong enough station can cause the satellite to use more power than the very old solar panels can provide, and cause the satellite to crash and reset. Please be gentle with this old bird. Greg KO6TH Jim Walls wrote: > My first guess would be that because AO-7 is functionally running with no > battery, if one station is running high power, it easily hogs all the power > available. > > Jim > K6CCC > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- >> From: "Joe" >> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:11 AM >> To: "amsat-bb" >> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 >> >> I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years >> on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 >> >> I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the >> level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. >> >> Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of >> stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. >> >> BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the > air. >> BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all >> the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on >> this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, >> then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the >> signal is sooo strong. >> >> And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from >> one pass vs another should be the same. >> >> Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the >> whole pass duration. >> >> Very Interesting! >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> -- >> Sig >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock >> Idle Tyme >> Idle-Tyme.com >> http://www.idle-tyme.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 05:49:15 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 22:49:15 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: <58E138E0-CC8E-4268-97F4-470D4B85FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> <58E138E0-CC8E-4268-97F4-470D4B85FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57F9DA5B.2070401@gmail.com> Hi Michael, It can't put out more than what it's capable of, and that's the key here. First of all, the term "full quieting" signal really only applies to FM transmission. But what you are saying is correct, that once the total of all the uplink signals reaches a point where the corresponding total downlink is "full", more uplink can't change that total. The point about "hogging" the transponder is that if one of the uplink stations were to increase its power beyond that level, then to maintain the downlink limit, the other stations get their share of the downlink reduced. And with AO-07, if you push it hard enough (not difficult to do), the satellite will crash and reset. The indication that the satellite is running dangerously low on power is when the downlink starts to sound watery ("FM-ing", they call it). More uplink power in this situation will only make things worse. Greg KO6TH Mvivona via AMSAT-BB wrote: > I know this has probably been explained before, but help me understand as this has always puzzled me. > > For example purposes I'm going to use 1 watt as the theoretical satellite's output and only one ground station on the input. > > The way I understand is: If AO-7 (or any other SSB repeater) receives a signal, it keys up the transmitter side and passes the audio through. If AO-7 transmitter is let's say a 1 watt, then a full quieting signal on the input should make the output max out at 1 watt. If the input signal is weak and noisy, then the output might only be 1/2 watt. > Please explain how the repeater's transmitter can put out more than 1 watt (using more power) if the ground station goes well beyond full quieting by uplinking with let's say 500watts. > > Thanks in advance for the explanation. > > Michael KC4ZVA > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Jim Walls wrote: > > My first guess would be that because AO-7 is functionally running with no > battery, if one station is running high power, it easily hogs all the power > available. > > Jim > K6CCC > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- >> From: "Joe" >> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:11 AM >> To: "amsat-bb" >> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 >> >> I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years >> on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 >> >> I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the >> level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. >> >> Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of >> stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. >> >> BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the > air. >> BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all >> the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on >> this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, >> then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the >> signal is sooo strong. >> >> And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from >> one pass vs another should be the same. >> >> Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the >> whole pass duration. >> >> Very Interesting! >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> -- >> Sig >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock >> Idle Tyme >> Idle-Tyme.com >> http://www.idle-tyme.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com Sun Oct 9 12:52:25 2016 From: lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com (Lee Ernstrom) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 06:52:25 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] C6AQD/MM now QRT Message-ID: GM sat ops, I am now home in Utah and have just finished uploading all of my satellite QSOs to LoTW. If you use LoTW, and I hope you do, please remember that even though I signed C6AQD/MM on the air my uploads do not include the /MM. Many of you were probably wondering why I was a no show on some of juicy passes I was in. For instance, on the 0122 to 0145 UTC pass of SO-50 when I was in FN73 on October 3rd I thought I could operate from my deck, but then I realized that the pass started on the other side of the ship and behind me, so on that pass I only worked KB1RVT and KC1EXK. On the next pass from 0303 to 0315 UTC, however, I went topside and was able to work ten stations from FN73. Since this was a cruise that included my XYL and another couple the prearranged plans we had made it so that I missed operating from FN63 on 10/05/16 for the 0148 to 0201 UTC pass of SO-50. I was hoping to work FN51 and thought for sure it was going to happen because near the top third of the grid we were traveling at only 8 knots but by the time the sat passed over I noticed we had sped up considerably to 22 knots and were in FN50. Not only was that a disappointment for missing FN51 but my receiver went deaf and on the 1628 to 1640 UTC pass of SO-50 on 10/06/16 I only worked one station, KB1RVT, and he was very weak. On the next pass, 1808 to 1821 UTC, we were in FN60 and I heard absolutely nothing from the sat. That's when I concluded that I must have an open or a shorted coax cable. As a reminder, please upload my call as C6AQD without the /MM. Also, If you have already uploaded our QSO and LOTW doesn't show the contact credited to you then let me know via this email address lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com and I will recheck my upload to make sure we match. For those of you who don't use LOTW and would like a paper QSL send me an email and I will get you one. No need for your card nor SASE, just send an email request. I made 50 contacts on this cruise from these grids: FN50, FN52, FN61, FN72, FN73 and FN84. I hope I made some of you happy :) Doc, C6AQD/MM (WA7HQD) From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 9 14:01:55 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 10:01:55 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas Message-ID: <5EE7DDCF9E6140949967AE84773A9638@DHJ> An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas on 10 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:46 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK5ZAI. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. Stephen F. Austin is a STEM academy located in Jones Creek, Texas on the Gulf Coast. It serves students in pre-kindergarten through the sixth grade. Its mission is to develop and empower the whole student with the capacity to excel in an ever-changing world. Its teachers believe that all children can learn, given the proper time and resources. Its ultimate goal is to nurture students into productive, prepared and highly functional citizens. Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 1. What dream or desire did you have that made you want to be an astronaut? 2. How long did you have to train before going to the ISS? 3. Is it more important to be physically or mentally prepared for outer space? 4. What happens if a crew member needs medical attention not available on the ISS? 5. What is the most challenging part about staying on the ISS? 6. What is the most important thing astronauts do to help the Earth? 7. What happens to your bones when you return to Earth? 8. What do you find most interesting about space? 9. What do you do if something, such as a meteorite, hits the ISS? 10. Does blood rush to your head when you are upside down, and how does it feel? 11. How does living and working in space affect your life upon returning home? 12. Do you ever get motion sickness with having less gravity in space? 13. Do you ever lose power on the ISS, and if so how do you regain it? 14. What kind of degrees do you have to have to be an astronaut? 15. How does your body react when you come back to Earth? 16. How do you shower on the ISS? 17. What happens if something malfunctions like the tracking system or radio on the ISS? 18. How does your job from the ISS continue once you return to Earth? 19. What is the coolest thing you have done in space? 20. What sensations do you notice when you first return to Earth? 21. What do you do in your spare time on the ISS? 22. What experiments do you do on the ISS? 23. How does NASA or other space agencies send satellites into space? 24. How many hours does it take for a satellite to orbit the Earth? 25. What's the longest time you can be in space before it hurts your body too much? 26. What are the different jobs you can do in space? 27. What is the point of going to the ISS? 28. Does the food you eat help your bones stay strong? 29. How do you collect samples of things in space and bring them back to Earth? 30. What kind of people make good astronauts? 31. Are there ever animals on the ISS? PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status Next planned event(s): 1. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Thank you & 73, David - AA4KN --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From vk4tec at tech-software.net Sun Oct 9 14:06:34 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 00:06:34 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas In-Reply-To: <5EE7DDCF9E6140949967AE84773A9638@DHJ> References: <5EE7DDCF9E6140949967AE84773A9638@DHJ> Message-ID: <201EDDD0-B704-4045-A658-80AD9AC38C24@tech-software.net> I don't know about you but I just don't get a buzz out of this Andrew ----------------------------- Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e vk4tec at tech-software.net w www.tech-software.net m 0419 738 223 > On 10 Oct. 2016, at 00:01, wrote: > > An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas on 10 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:46 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK5ZAI. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. > > > > > > Stephen F. Austin is a STEM academy located in Jones Creek, Texas on the Gulf Coast. It serves students in pre-kindergarten through the sixth grade. Its mission is to develop and empower the whole student with the capacity to excel in an ever-changing world. Its teachers believe that all children can learn, given the proper time and resources. Its ultimate goal is to nurture students into productive, prepared and highly functional citizens. > > > > > > Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: > > > > 1. What dream or desire did you have that made you want to be an astronaut? > > 2. How long did you have to train before going to the ISS? > > 3. Is it more important to be physically or mentally prepared for outer > > space? > > 4. What happens if a crew member needs medical attention not available on > > the ISS? > > 5. What is the most challenging part about staying on the ISS? > > 6. What is the most important thing astronauts do to help the Earth? > > 7. What happens to your bones when you return to Earth? > > 8. What do you find most interesting about space? > > 9. What do you do if something, such as a meteorite, hits the ISS? > > 10. Does blood rush to your head when you are upside down, and how does it > > feel? > > 11. How does living and working in space affect your life upon returning > > home? > > 12. Do you ever get motion sickness with having less gravity in space? > > 13. Do you ever lose power on the ISS, and if so how do you regain it? > > 14. What kind of degrees do you have to have to be an astronaut? > > 15. How does your body react when you come back to Earth? > > 16. How do you shower on the ISS? > > 17. What happens if something malfunctions like the tracking system or radio > > on the ISS? > > 18. How does your job from the ISS continue once you return to Earth? > > 19. What is the coolest thing you have done in space? > > 20. What sensations do you notice when you first return to Earth? > > 21. What do you do in your spare time on the ISS? > > 22. What experiments do you do on the ISS? > > 23. How does NASA or other space agencies send satellites into space? > > 24. How many hours does it take for a satellite to orbit the Earth? > > 25. What's the longest time you can be in space before it hurts your body > > too much? > > 26. What are the different jobs you can do in space? > > 27. What is the point of going to the ISS? > > 28. Does the food you eat help your bones stay strong? > > 29. How do you collect samples of things in space and bring them back to > > Earth? > > 30. What kind of people make good astronauts? > > 31. Are there ever animals on the ISS? > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: > > > > Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). > > > > To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status > > > > > > > > Next planned event(s): > > > > 1. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, > > telebridge via VK4KHZ > > The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS > > The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ > > Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg > > > > > > > > About ARISS: > > Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more > information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. > > > > Thank you & 73, > > David - AA4KN > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n8hm at arrl.net Sun Oct 9 14:21:36 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 10:21:36 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas In-Reply-To: <201EDDD0-B704-4045-A658-80AD9AC38C24@tech-software.net> References: <5EE7DDCF9E6140949967AE84773A9638@DHJ> <201EDDD0-B704-4045-A658-80AD9AC38C24@tech-software.net> Message-ID: Then you are free to not read these emails. 73, Paul, N8HM On Sunday, October 9, 2016, Andrew Rich wrote: > I don't know about you but I just don't get a buzz out of this > > Andrew > > ----------------------------- > Sent from my iPhone > Andrew Rich > e vk4tec at tech-software.net > w www.tech-software.net > m 0419 738 223 > > > On 10 Oct. 2016, at 00:01, > < > n4csitwo at bellsouth.net > wrote: > > > > An International Space Station school contact has been planned with > participants at Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones > Creek, Texas on 10 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately > 16:46 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 > minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 > minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and > VK5ZAI. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and > adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 > MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen F. Austin is a STEM academy located in Jones Creek, Texas on the > Gulf Coast. It serves students in pre-kindergarten through the sixth grade. > Its mission is to develop and empower the whole student with the capacity > to excel in an ever-changing world. Its teachers believe that all children > can learn, given the proper time and resources. Its ultimate goal is to > nurture students into productive, prepared and highly functional citizens. > > > > > > > > > > > > Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: > > > > > > > > 1. What dream or desire did you have that made you want to be an > astronaut? > > > > 2. How long did you have to train before going to the ISS? > > > > 3. Is it more important to be physically or mentally prepared for outer > > > > space? > > > > 4. What happens if a crew member needs medical attention not available > on > > > > the ISS? > > > > 5. What is the most challenging part about staying on the ISS? > > > > 6. What is the most important thing astronauts do to help the Earth? > > > > 7. What happens to your bones when you return to Earth? > > > > 8. What do you find most interesting about space? > > > > 9. What do you do if something, such as a meteorite, hits the ISS? > > > > 10. Does blood rush to your head when you are upside down, and how does > it > > > > feel? > > > > 11. How does living and working in space affect your life upon returning > > > > home? > > > > 12. Do you ever get motion sickness with having less gravity in space? > > > > 13. Do you ever lose power on the ISS, and if so how do you regain it? > > > > 14. What kind of degrees do you have to have to be an astronaut? > > > > 15. How does your body react when you come back to Earth? > > > > 16. How do you shower on the ISS? > > > > 17. What happens if something malfunctions like the tracking system or > radio > > > > on the ISS? > > > > 18. How does your job from the ISS continue once you return to Earth? > > > > 19. What is the coolest thing you have done in space? > > > > 20. What sensations do you notice when you first return to Earth? > > > > 21. What do you do in your spare time on the ISS? > > > > 22. What experiments do you do on the ISS? > > > > 23. How does NASA or other space agencies send satellites into space? > > > > 24. How many hours does it take for a satellite to orbit the Earth? > > > > 25. What's the longest time you can be in space before it hurts your > body > > > > too much? > > > > 26. What are the different jobs you can do in space? > > > > 27. What is the point of going to the ISS? > > > > 28. Does the food you eat help your bones stay strong? > > > > 29. How do you collect samples of things in space and bring them back to > > > > Earth? > > > > 30. What kind of people make good astronauts? > > > > 31. Are there ever animals on the ISS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: > > > > > > > > Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the > International Space Station (ARISS). > > > > > > > > To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next planned event(s): > > > > > > > > 1. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, > > > > telebridge via VK4KHZ > > > > The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS > > > > The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ > > > > Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About ARISS: > > > > Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a > cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space > agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United > States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the > American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of > Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration > (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, > technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing > scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS > and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of > experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large > audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio > contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, > space technologies, and amateur radio. For mo > re > > information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. > > > > > > > > Thank you & 73, > > > > David - AA4KN > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From mccardelm at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 14:54:59 2016 From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 10:54:59 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas In-Reply-To: <201EDDD0-B704-4045-A658-80AD9AC38C24@tech-software.net> References: <5EE7DDCF9E6140949967AE84773A9638@DHJ> <201EDDD0-B704-4045-A658-80AD9AC38C24@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <3101235D-87CF-4F8B-9337-717173EEF9F7@gmail.com> Andrew, The ARISS outreach is an inspirational and educational outreach to schools and other educational institutions that is of high interest to many of our members. It not only has a proven track record of stimulating interest in Science. Technology, Engineering, and Math; it also exposes many people to the capabilities and fun of amateur radio. It is one of AMSAT's, ARRL's and NASA's premier outreach/inspirational programs. Many volunteers and volunteer hours go into making each contact. Whereas a streaming of a telebridge contact may not float everyone's interests it is of significant interest to so many amateur radio and space enthusiasts to warrant being announced through all of our PR outlets. EMike EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Former AMSAT VP Education Outreach Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Andrew Rich wrote: > > I don't know about you but I just don't get a buzz out of this > > Andrew > > ----------------------------- > Sent from my iPhone > Andrew Rich > e vk4tec at tech-software.net > w www.tech-software.net > m 0419 738 223 > >> On 10 Oct. 2016, at 00:01, wrote: >> >> An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas on 10 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:46 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK5ZAI. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen F. Austin is a STEM academy located in Jones Creek, Texas on the Gulf Coast. It serves students in pre-kindergarten through the sixth grade. Its mission is to develop and empower the whole student with the capacity to excel in an ever-changing world. Its teachers believe that all children can learn, given the proper time and resources. Its ultimate goal is to nurture students into productive, prepared and highly functional citizens. >> >> >> >> >> >> Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: >> >> >> >> 1. What dream or desire did you have that made you want to be an astronaut? >> >> 2. How long did you have to train before going to the ISS? >> >> 3. Is it more important to be physically or mentally prepared for outer >> >> space? >> >> 4. What happens if a crew member needs medical attention not available on >> >> the ISS? >> >> 5. What is the most challenging part about staying on the ISS? >> >> 6. What is the most important thing astronauts do to help the Earth? >> >> 7. What happens to your bones when you return to Earth? >> >> 8. What do you find most interesting about space? >> >> 9. What do you do if something, such as a meteorite, hits the ISS? >> >> 10. Does blood rush to your head when you are upside down, and how does it >> >> feel? >> >> 11. How does living and working in space affect your life upon returning >> >> home? >> >> 12. Do you ever get motion sickness with having less gravity in space? >> >> 13. Do you ever lose power on the ISS, and if so how do you regain it? >> >> 14. What kind of degrees do you have to have to be an astronaut? >> >> 15. How does your body react when you come back to Earth? >> >> 16. How do you shower on the ISS? >> >> 17. What happens if something malfunctions like the tracking system or radio >> >> on the ISS? >> >> 18. How does your job from the ISS continue once you return to Earth? >> >> 19. What is the coolest thing you have done in space? >> >> 20. What sensations do you notice when you first return to Earth? >> >> 21. What do you do in your spare time on the ISS? >> >> 22. What experiments do you do on the ISS? >> >> 23. How does NASA or other space agencies send satellites into space? >> >> 24. How many hours does it take for a satellite to orbit the Earth? >> >> 25. What's the longest time you can be in space before it hurts your body >> >> too much? >> >> 26. What are the different jobs you can do in space? >> >> 27. What is the point of going to the ISS? >> >> 28. Does the food you eat help your bones stay strong? >> >> 29. How do you collect samples of things in space and bring them back to >> >> Earth? >> >> 30. What kind of people make good astronauts? >> >> 31. Are there ever animals on the ISS? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: >> >> >> >> Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). >> >> >> >> To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Next planned event(s): >> >> >> >> 1. University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, >> >> telebridge via VK4KHZ >> >> The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS >> >> The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ >> >> Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> About ARISS: >> >> Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For mo > re >> information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. >> >> >> >> Thank you & 73, >> >> David - AA4KN >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com Sun Oct 9 15:29:58 2016 From: lee.ernstrom at rcwilley.com (Lee Ernstrom) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 09:29:58 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] C6AQD LOTW uploads Message-ID: Thanks to Matthew, K4FEM, for pointing out to me that he didn't show a confirmation for our FN52 QSO on October 6, 2016 I was able to discover that I hadn't uploaded those contacts. I have now uploaded 12 more from the time frame of 0213 to 0225 UTC. Also, thanks to Clayton, K5PFG, for noticing that I missed uploading our QSO of 10/02/16 when I was in FN61 because I had accidently hit the off button on my recorder. I just uploaded that too. If I missed anything else please let me know. Doc, C6AQD/MM (WA7HQD) From Mvivona at yahoo.com Sun Oct 9 15:41:50 2016 From: Mvivona at yahoo.com (Mvivona) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 11:41:50 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 In-Reply-To: <57F9DA5B.2070401@gmail.com> References: <97c770b5-0fba-f9f8-2788-31f78acccf78@mwt.net> <58E138E0-CC8E-4268-97F4-470D4B85FD9E@yahoo.com> <57F9DA5B.2070401@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you very much for the explanation Greg. Michael KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad On Oct 9, 2016, at 1:49 AM, Greg D wrote: Hi Michael, It can't put out more than what it's capable of, and that's the key here. First of all, the term "full quieting" signal really only applies to FM transmission. But what you are saying is correct, that once the total of all the uplink signals reaches a point where the corresponding total downlink is "full", more uplink can't change that total. The point about "hogging" the transponder is that if one of the uplink stations were to increase its power beyond that level, then to maintain the downlink limit, the other stations get their share of the downlink reduced. And with AO-07, if you push it hard enough (not difficult to do), the satellite will crash and reset. The indication that the satellite is running dangerously low on power is when the downlink starts to sound watery ("FM-ing", they call it). More uplink power in this situation will only make things worse. Greg KO6TH Mvivona via AMSAT-BB wrote: > I know this has probably been explained before, but help me understand as this has always puzzled me. > > For example purposes I'm going to use 1 watt as the theoretical satellite's output and only one ground station on the input. > > The way I understand is: If AO-7 (or any other SSB repeater) receives a signal, it keys up the transmitter side and passes the audio through. If AO-7 transmitter is let's say a 1 watt, then a full quieting signal on the input should make the output max out at 1 watt. If the input signal is weak and noisy, then the output might only be 1/2 watt. > Please explain how the repeater's transmitter can put out more than 1 watt (using more power) if the ground station goes well beyond full quieting by uplinking with let's say 500watts. > > Thanks in advance for the explanation. > > Michael KC4ZVA > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Jim Walls wrote: > > My first guess would be that because AO-7 is functionally running with no > battery, if one station is running high power, it easily hogs all the power > available. > > Jim > K6CCC > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- >> From: "Joe" >> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:11 AM >> To: "amsat-bb" >> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 >> >> I wonder if anyone has actually done any studies after all these years >> on propagation's through this bird. AO-07 >> >> I find it in the past couple weeks soo interesting on how varied the >> level of signal strengths can be on very similar passes. >> >> Where one pass, vs another are almost identical, yet one will be full of >> stations, and the next one all I hear is my own CQ. >> >> BUT... that difference can be all made by just who is actually on the > air. >> BUT.... then take two passes that are almost identical, and ignore all >> the other people, and pay attention to just your own signal, where on >> this pass my sig is soo weak that 90% of the time I'm hearing nothing, >> then next pass that is very similar I am actually moving the S meter the >> signal is sooo strong. >> >> And in theroy, this is all Line Of Sight communications, the losses from >> one pass vs another should be the same. >> >> Yes polarity can be an issue, but I cant see it being the reason for the >> whole pass duration. >> >> Very Interesting! >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> -- >> Sig >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock >> Idle Tyme >> Idle-Tyme.com >> http://www.idle-tyme.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From g4bbp at aol.com Mon Oct 10 11:38:09 2016 From: g4bbp at aol.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 07:38:09 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Rohde & Schwarz FSIQ 7 Service manual ? Message-ID: <157ae62bf5f-140b-6e5c@webprd-a84.mail.aol.com> Hi Everyone, I wonder if someone might be able to help me find a service manual for an FSIQ 7 Spectrum / Signal analyzer. Mine has and intermittent fault where the LO goes out of lock. I haven't been able to find a repair / service manual on the net but maybe I haven't looked it the right place. Any help or guidance gratefully accepted ! Cheers & 73s Paul G4BBP From n8hm at arrl.net Mon Oct 10 13:38:43 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 09:38:43 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] NPOTA Activation of Potomac Heritage National Scenic Trail (TR03) Message-ID: Good morning, I'm planning a satellite activation of the Potomac Heritage National Scenic Trail (ARRL NPOTA designation TR03) this afternoon. I'll start out on FO-29 at 17:58 UTC, around 435.865 MHz +/-, and switch to SO-50 shortly after 18:08 UTC. 73, Paul, N8HM From nss at mwt.net Mon Oct 10 23:04:44 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:04:44 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-07 Spinning? Message-ID: I am assuming AO-07 is rotating. Does anyone now how fast? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From my.callsign at verizon.net Tue Oct 11 01:41:52 2016 From: my.callsign at verizon.net (KO6TZ Bob) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:41:52 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] NO-84 Voltage Message-ID: With the extended eclipse length, it seems that the battery voltage on NO-84 is slowly getting lower. The APRS digi has been APOFF for several days. Here is this evening's telemetry from the PSK-31 transmitter. KO6TZ Bob W3ADO-5 beacon B 001 34 33 468 167 +19 W3ADO-5 beacon B 002 31 41 438 158 +19 W3ADO-5 beacon B 003 37 37 459 165 +20 W3ADO-5 beacon B 004 15 48 413 151 +20 W3ADO-5 beacon B 005 21 50 405 149 +20 W3ADO-5 beacon B 006 31 40 448 161 +20 W3ADO-5 beacon B 007 37 34 463 166 +19 From AJ9N at aol.com Tue Oct 11 05:32:26 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 01:32:26 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-11 05:30 UTC Message-ID: <478dc8.4fea297f.452dd36a@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-11 05:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC 50 deg (***) University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL, direct via W4JKJ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS (***) Contact is a go for: Thu 2016-10-20 15:07:36 UTC 70 deg (***) **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-11 05:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1088. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1053. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-11 05:30 UTC. (***) http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From kb2m at arrl.net Tue Oct 11 14:52:25 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:52:25 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu 5500 issues Message-ID: <001801d223cf$14eec340$3ecc49c0$@net> When I got home last night I noticed an issue with azimuth control with my G-5500. When the control box is powered up the azimuth display goes to max scale. And the antenna turned all the way to the stop around 450 degrees. The elevation control is functioning normally. I of course removing the connection to the LVBT and tested the box and rotor in standalone mode. I did a quick check of the wiring out to the rotor and removed the plug all wiring appears to be ok. Anyone have any ideas on what is causing this problem? I'm leaving for my winter home tomorrow and if it turns out to be the control box I will bring it with me to fix otherwise it will have wait till I get back here for the Christmas holiday. If it's the rotor I will then have some time to take it down and work on.. 73 Jeff kb2m From afeller at ieee.org Tue Oct 11 17:50:05 2016 From: afeller at ieee.org (Arthur Feller, W4ART) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:50:05 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Achieving Science with CubeSats: Thinking Inside the Box Message-ID: Just published by the National Academies of Science. PDF download version is free. See: https://www.nap.edu/download/23503 73, art?.. W4ART Arlington VA To thrive in life, you need three bones: a wish bone, a back bone, and a funny bone. - Reba McEntire http://afeller.us From bruninga at usna.edu Tue Oct 11 21:33:27 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:33:27 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Global Geo SATCOM system? (vertical whip antenna?) Message-ID: <49aa5070f8f136453991efd528155c3a@mail.gmail.com> A simple ? wave vertical wire whip in the center of a car roof might make a good APRS Inmarsat Downlink antenna. See: http://aprs.org/outnet-whip-ant.html A ? wave monopole should have over 7 dBi gain above about 30 degrees which is where the Inmarsat satellite is. The patch antenna made by the Outernet Folks could be 9 dBi and also has the advantage of circular polarization but is critical to build unless one purchases their kit. But it would be useful to see if signals were possible from just the 6.0? whip? And for people in the USA where the satellite is above 45 degrees, then maybe a 5/4 antenna might pickup another dB or so and still have the satellite in the main beam. Be nice to do an EZNEC model.. Bob, WB4aPR *From:* Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga at usna.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2016 6:52 PM *To:* amsat-bb at amsat.org *Cc:* Robert Bruninga *Subject:* Global Geo SATCOM system? AMSAT tinkerers? OUTERNET is a free worldwide Geostationary Satellite downlink system designed to bring content to remote areas all over the globe. They have six geostationary birds covering the entire globe EVERYWHERE. All you need is a small 18? (or 36? in some very remote areas) to receive content via your own home-made receiver based on a TV dongle and Rasberry Pi. Is there anyone on AMSAT-bb that is already receiving this content? We?d like to hear about how easy it is to set up a receiver. We have some ideas on how this can be used to augment Ham radio in our Emergency Response and remote operations missions. See http://aprs.org/outnet.html Bob, WB4APR From onmontauk at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 00:40:43 2016 From: onmontauk at gmail.com (Steve A) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:40:43 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] update Message-ID: Can we get updated info, When is the NASA tour? when is the ARISS meetings? trying to finalize plans. Steve W2AKK From wageners at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 01:40:44 2016 From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:40:44 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Been to AMSAT.ORG website lately? It is all on there :-) FYI, http://www.amsat.org/?p=5370 Stefan, VE4NSA On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Steve A wrote: > Can we get updated info, When is the NASA tour? when is the ARISS > meetings? trying to finalize plans. > > > Steve > W2AKK > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From dave.w8aas at verizon.net Wed Oct 12 02:07:39 2016 From: dave.w8aas at verizon.net (Dave Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:07:39 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The ARISS meeting is Nov 15-18 (Tue to Fri). We?ll be meeting all day, 8-5. The tour will be Monday afternoon, Nov 14, but no times have been announced yet. Dave > On Oct 11, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Steve A wrote: > > Can we get updated info, When is the NASA tour? when is the ARISS > meetings? trying to finalize plans. > > > Steve > W2AKK > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net Wed Oct 12 05:53:36 2016 From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 05:53:36 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK road trip to Pacificon, starting Thursday... Message-ID: Hi! I will be at the Pacificon convention in San Ramon CA, east of San Francisco, this weekend. I plan on leaving Phoenix early Thursday (13 October) morning, so I can make it to San Ramon in about 12 to 14 hours. The convention runs from Friday (14 October) through Sunday (16 October), although I don't know at this point how long I plan on being at the convention on Sunday. More information about Pacificon is available at: http://pacificon.org/ After the convention wraps up, I will drive home. I am planning on stopping somewhere Sunday evening, and finishing the rest of my drive home by Monday (17 October) afternoon. I plan on doing demonstrations of satellite operating during the convention, supporting Alan WA6DNR and his crew who traditionally have an AMSAT tablet at Pacificon. I don't have a fixed schedule for the demonstrations, but would look to work FO-29, FM satellites, and any ISS passes that may come by while the convention is in session. For now, my plan is to operate using my own WD9EWK call, but there is a chance I could use W1AW/6 which will be on the air from Pacificon. As for operating on my drives between Phoenix and the Bay Area, I am not going to work with a fixed schedule for passes and grids I will plan on operating. Thursday, in particular, is going to be focused on making the long drive in one day, so I might not make many stops. I will have my AmsatDroid Free app and a printout of passes starting on Thursday, and might be able to get on the air if there is a safe place to pull off the highway or freeway to do so. I will use either my TH-D72A or TH-D74A to run APRS as I drive, with WD9EWK-9 as my APRS call sign. This should appear on various web sites like http://aprs.fi/WD9EWK-9 once I am on the road. I should have a fair bit of flexibility in how I make the drive home on Sunday and Monday, which could involve visiting some rarely heard grids and/or NPOTA sites. I will upload my logs as WD9EWK to Logbook of the World. If you would like to receive a QSL card for a contact with WD9EWK during this trip, please e-mail me directly with the QSO details. There's no need to first send me a card and/or SASE to get my card. If I am able to use W1AW/6 at Pacificon, ARRL will take care of the QSLing and LOTW uploadfor that call sign. I will use my @WD9EWK Twitter feed to post updates while on the road and at Pacificon. Pictures, too. If you don't have a Twitter account, you can still see what I tweet. Point a web browser to http://twitter.com/WD9EWK to see my tweets. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK From daniel at destevez.net Wed Oct 12 09:28:11 2016 From: daniel at destevez.net (Dani EA4GPZ) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:28:11 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Possible Outernet GPL violation Message-ID: <201c89a5-f841-0727-e6a6-8d2781a5d7dc@destevez.net> Hi all, As some of you may know, I'm trying to build a GNUradio receiver for Outernet, partly by reverse engineering their binary-only code. While examining this code, I've noted that this code is using librtlsdr and libmirisdr, which are licenced under the GPLv2 or later (and not LGPL). It is my understanding that this forces the binary-only code to be released under a GPL-compatible licence. More info: http://pastebin.com/ENCYejn8 Can someone with legal experience tell whether am I right in my interpretation of the licences? Also, does anyone have the contact information for Outernet? I tried to contact the user "foxbunny" in Github, who is the main contributor to the Github repos of Outernet. However, he no longer works at Outernet. I know that some of you are having fun with the Outernet receiver, and I don't want to discourage anyone from doing so. However, I think that it is in agreement with the Ham Radio spirit to be able to learn how the technology works. Currently, the key software pieces of the Outernet receiver are closed-source. Recently, only after some nontrivial reverse engineering effort I could figure out the scrambler they use. It turns out it's a scrambler algorithm I hadn't heard about before, so there I learnt something: https://twitter.com/ea4gpz/status/785586536225976320 Also, I think that in particular librtlsdr (the code that makes RTL-SDR receivers work) has given hams uncountable hours of enjoyment with these low cost SDR receivers. Therefore, we should support the fact that this software is GPL and try to protect it from anyone who wishes to abuse its licence. I think that the Outernet project would benefit from releasing all their software under a free software (open source) licence, and I told that to Thane Richard from Outernet when he first announce the project on amsat-bb almost a year ago. 73, Dani EA4GPZ. From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 10:20:28 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 06:20:28 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] VP5/AA4FL Message-ID: Getting ready to leave for VP5 this weekend. Will be operating from Middle Caicos in grid FL41cu as VP5/AA4FL. Most likely days for OSCAR satellites will be Oct. 20-28, but will try for a day or two earlier. I am using a FT-817 and Arrow antenna. Primary SAT will be FO-29 (up 145.93 MHz). I will call CQ using SSB, and listen for replies. Call me as I am not operating duplex and will need to tune around to find you. I will be on for common footprint passes with Europe and South America and try on AO-7 Mode B (up 432.50 MHz) when possible. USA contacts will also include some SO-50 time. May also get on AO-73 and XW birds at times but we have work to do getting the VP5DX station ready for CQWW SSB Oct. 29-30. Plans are to upload LOTW while there, if we get Internet access. Check my QRZ page for updates and additional info. Thanks to Drew KO4MA, Frank K4FEG, George MI6GTY, for helping me prepare. I also appreciate those who had recent QSO's with me while I was testing the equipment and gaining portable SAT operation experience. 73 and hope to get you in the log! Jay AA4FL From pinoleronica at hotmail.com Wed Oct 12 10:52:17 2016 From: pinoleronica at hotmail.com (Rafael Pe?a) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:52:17 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Lotw Login Qs via TQSL Message-ID: Finally, I finished setting up my Leo-Pack and antenna is on top of F12 at roof top. I learned a few tricks when setting up the antenna. The rotor G-5500 is all working as expected. Yesterday, I tried my first wack at satellites....I tried the XW## and worked two stations. I am using tqsl to login the Qs....I entered pertinent information about the qso but when I select Propagation Mode = Satellite and then want select the Satellite name, I cannot see any of the XW sats and who knows how many more. I can see the list when I log on to the lotw service portal. The issue is at the software tqsl.. There must be a way to modify that list, I think. Any assistance is appreciated es hope to work you at some point from FM18LW (DC) Rafael / NN3RP From n8hm at arrl.net Wed Oct 12 11:07:40 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:07:40 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Lotw Login Qs via TQSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rafael, Good job with the QSOs! Hope to catch you soon so I can finally say I've worked DC on satellite! In tQSL, the XW-2 satellites are listed as "Hope 2A," "Hope 2C," etc. "Hope" is the English translation of the Chinese designation for amateur satellites "Xiwang," which is where the XW abbreviation comes from. 73, Paul, N8HM On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Rafael Pe?a wrote: > Finally, I finished setting up my Leo-Pack and antenna is on top of F12 at > roof top. I learned a few tricks when setting up the antenna. The rotor > G-5500 is all working as expected. > > Yesterday, I tried my first wack at satellites....I tried the XW## and > worked two stations. I am using tqsl to login the Qs....I entered > pertinent > information about the qso but when I select Propagation Mode = Satellite > and > then want select the Satellite name, I cannot see any of the XW sats and > who > knows how many more. > > I can see the list when I log on to the lotw service portal. The issue is > at the software tqsl.. There must be a way to modify that list, I think. > > > Any assistance is appreciated es hope to work you at some point from FM18LW > (DC) > > Rafael / NN3RP > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open > forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From rwmcgwier at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 17:22:46 2016 From: rwmcgwier at gmail.com (Robert McGwier) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:22:46 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] DIY Projects In-Reply-To: <9ADBB5E4-274E-4485-945C-61149CC38CB4@tech-software.net> References: <9ADBB5E4-274E-4485-945C-61149CC38CB4@tech-software.net> Message-ID: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=AZ+EL+DIY+rotators On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Andrew Rich wrote: > Jerry > > I once used a reduction gear box set from the local electronics store > > The drive went to a threaded rod > > It was a tim system - very rough > > Andrew > > > ------------------------------------------ > Andrew Rich VK4TEC > w www.tech-software.net > e vk4tec at tech-software.net > m +61 (4) 19 738 223 > m 0419738223 > > > > > > > > On 28 Sep 2016, at 2:49 AM, Gerald Payton wrote: > > > > This may be OLD stuff to many of you experienced ops., but new to me. I > was wondering if there had been any individual DIY projects in the past for > building an AZ/EL or Pan/Tilt using robotics? Of course, for our purposes > weight and wind load would be a factor. I am not interested in "toy size", > as many of the Arduino projects are. > > > > > > If anyone knows of a site or PDF, please send it to me; either here or > to my personal email: > > > > gp_ab5r at outlook.com. I am also good via ARRL and AMSAT using AB5R at xxxx > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > -- Bob McGwier Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc Research Professor Virginia Tech Chief Scientist: The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and Technology Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY Faculty Advisor Virginia Tech Amateur Radio Assn. (K4KDJ) Director of AMSAT and member of PVRC, TAPR, and life member of ARRL and AMSAT From josepharmbruster at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 18:18:33 2016 From: josepharmbruster at gmail.com (Joseph Armbruster) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:18:33 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Possible Outernet GPL violation In-Reply-To: <201c89a5-f841-0727-e6a6-8d2781a5d7dc@destevez.net> References: <201c89a5-f841-0727-e6a6-8d2781a5d7dc@destevez.net> Message-ID: Dani, I'm not familiar with this code base or software specifically, but I am curious, how did you determine it was linked? Did you use a platform tool, such as ldd or dumpbin or did you just grep the baseline for 'librtlsdr" and it popped up? There's a difference between finding text in a baseline vs a lib being statically or dynamically linked into it, which is why I ask. I will assume you are correct and it is being used, one way or another. Because you received a copy of a derivative work containing software that has GPL applied to it, then you are entitled to the source code of the derivative work. It should have also come with a copy of the GPL, but if not, bygons. Developers Are human and make mistakes, it would be interesting to hear from the authors to determine what the story is. If the libraries that you referred to are not being used and could be stripped out, that could eliminate the issue down the road or they could just release the whole thing under GPL moving forward and be done with it. I'm interested in following this :-) Joseph Armbruster On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Dani EA4GPZ wrote: > Hi all, > > As some of you may know, I'm trying to build a GNUradio receiver for > Outernet, partly by reverse engineering their binary-only code. > > While examining this code, I've noted that this code is using librtlsdr > and libmirisdr, which are licenced under the GPLv2 or later (and not > LGPL). It is my understanding that this forces the binary-only code to > be released under a GPL-compatible licence. > > More info: > http://pastebin.com/ENCYejn8 > > Can someone with legal experience tell whether am I right in my > interpretation of the licences? > > Also, does anyone have the contact information for Outernet? I tried to > contact the user "foxbunny" in Github, who is the main contributor to > the Github repos of Outernet. However, he no longer works at Outernet. > > I know that some of you are having fun with the Outernet receiver, and I > don't want to discourage anyone from doing so. However, I think that it > is in agreement with the Ham Radio spirit to be able to learn how the > technology works. Currently, the key software pieces of the Outernet > receiver are closed-source. > > Recently, only after some nontrivial reverse engineering effort I could > figure out the scrambler they use. It turns out it's a scrambler > algorithm I hadn't heard about before, so there I learnt something: > https://twitter.com/ea4gpz/status/785586536225976320 > > Also, I think that in particular librtlsdr (the code that makes RTL-SDR > receivers work) has given hams uncountable hours of enjoyment with these > low cost SDR receivers. Therefore, we should support the fact that this > software is GPL and try to protect it from anyone who wishes to abuse > its licence. > > I think that the Outernet project would benefit from releasing all their > software under a free software (open source) licence, and I told that to > Thane Richard from Outernet when he first announce the project on > amsat-bb almost a year ago. > > 73, > > Dani EA4GPZ. > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From daniel at destevez.net Wed Oct 12 20:09:28 2016 From: daniel at destevez.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Est=c3=a9vez?=) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:09:28 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Possible Outernet GPL violation In-Reply-To: References: <201c89a5-f841-0727-e6a6-8d2781a5d7dc@destevez.net> Message-ID: El 12/10/16 a las 20:18, Joseph Armbruster escribi?: > Dani, > > I'm not familiar with this code base or software specifically, but I > am curious, how did you determine it was linked? Did you use a > platform tool, such as ldd or dumpbin or did you just grep the > baseline for 'librtlsdr" and it popped up? There's a difference > between finding text in a baseline vs a lib being statically or > dynamically linked into it, which is why I ask. I will assume you are > correct and it is being used, one way or another. Hi Joseph, I used ldd: /outernet-linux-lband/bin $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../sdr.d/starsdr-rtlsdr/ ldd sdr100-1.0.4 ./sdr100-1.0.4: /lib64/libtinfo.so.5: no version information available (required by ./sdr100-1.0.4) ./sdr100-1.0.4: /lib64/libncurses.so.5: no version information available (required by ./sdr100-1.0.4) linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fff14d70000) libncurses.so.5 => /lib64/libncurses.so.5 (0x00007f65e9c4c000) libtinfo.so.5 => /lib64/libtinfo.so.5 (0x00007f65e9a16000) libstarsdr.so => ../sdr.d/starsdr-rtlsdr/libstarsdr.so (0x00007f65e9812000) libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f65e951b000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f65e92ff000) libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f65e8f63000) libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f65e8d5f000) librtlsdr.so => ../sdr.d/starsdr-rtlsdr/librtlsdr.so (0x00007f65e8b4d000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f65e9e71000) libusb-1.0.so.0 => /lib64/libusb-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f65e8935000) libudev.so.1 => /lib64/libudev.so.1 (0x00007f65e870f000) As you can see, a binary .so file is for librtlsdr is included with their linux L-band receiver software. A binary .so file for libmirisdr is also included. Essentially, you select which one gets loaded by setting your LD_LIBRARY_PATH. However, one of these two libraries (you choose which depending on your SDR hardware) is needed to make the software run. Without these two libraries, the software will refuse to start with the usual "error while loading shared libraries". > Because you received a copy of a derivative work containing software > that has GPL applied to it, then you are entitled to the source code > of the derivative work. It should have also come with a copy of the > GPL, but if not, bygons. Outernet clearly states that sdr100 is covered under a closed-source licence only: https://github.com/Outernet-Project/outernet-linux-lband/blob/master/SDR100_LICENSE.txt They provide no source for sdr100. I believe this to be a violation of the GPL, as sdr100 should be released under a GPL-compatible licence, as it is a derivative work of librtlsdr and/or libmirisdr. A fine detail is that the closed-source sdr100 binary doesn't link librtlsdr "directly". It links it through some wrapper called libstarsdr that Outernet have written to support both RTL-SDR and MIRI-SDR in their software. libstarsdr is LGPLv3. I managed to contact user "foxbunny" on Github. He is the main committer in the Outernet repositories. He doesn't work at Outernet any longer, but he told me that their lawyer said that what they're doing is legal because sdr100 doesn't link to librtlsdr or libmirisdr directly, but only through libstarsdr, which is LGPL. I don't believe this sort of trick can work legally, because it's trivial to write an LGPL wrapper for any GPL library you want to link. If these sort of tricks worked, anyone could link a GPL from closed-source software just by writing an LGPL wrapper. He also told me that since the same sdr100 binary can work with libstarsdr compiled against libmirisdr or librtlsdr, then it satisfies the clause "can work without". I think this is another trick that doesn't work, because clearly sdr100 needs at least one of libmirisdr or librtlsdr just to load and start running. In any case, I think that only the copyright holders of libmirisdr and librtlsdr would be able to bring this matter to court. It's a case of Outernet breaking the terms of the GPL in libmirisdr and librtlsdr by not distributing sdr100 as GPL software. It's not a case of Outernet distributing sdr100 as GPL to me and then not following the terms and refusing to give me a copy of the code. In this latter case I (or anyone that gets a copy of sdr100) could bring the matter to court. > Developers Are human and make mistakes, it would be interesting to > hear from the authors to determine what the story is. If the > libraries that you referred to are not being used and could be > stripped out, that could eliminate the issue down the road or they > could just release the whole thing under GPL moving forward and be > done with it. Almost a year ago I contacted Thane Richard when he made some publicity of the Outernet project in amsat-bb. I told him that I didn't understand why the key pieces of their decoder where closed source, and that I thought that making the project fully open source would better serve their goal of easing worldwide accessibility to internet content. Thane told me that for strategic reasons they feel it's better to release those parts as freeware rather than open source. At that time, the only closed source part was the ONDD daemon, since Outernet used Ku-band instead of L-band and the demodulation was performed on a DVB-S2 hardware receiver. The modulation was standard DVB-S2, and so the details where known. Only the format of the data stream in the DVB-S2 multiplex was "secret". Since Outernet has moved to L-band, their demodulator is now SDR software (the sdr100 binary I'm talking about above). This demodulator has being released only under closed-source. The modulation format is kept "secret". >From reverse engineering, I know the following: * 4200baud BPSK * r=1/2, k=7 convolutional code with CCSDS polynomials * IESS-308 scrambler * HDLC framing is used somehow Still, I haven't figure out how to produce anything useful from these parts yet. In particular, I don't know which kind of differential encoding is used and where exactly in the chain (some differential encoding or other kind of polarity determination must be used, since the IESS-308 scrambler works completely different for one bitstream and the bit-inverted bitstream). Also, I don't know precisely how is HDLC framing used. Perhaps the sdr100 binary includes some copyrighted code which they can't release, or is bound by some NDAs or whatever. In particular, they don't seem to use Phil Karn KA9Q's Viterbi implementation, so perhaps they use some copyrighted library for that which they can't release. Still, I believe it's easy to produce a completely working decoder using only open source software. KA9Q's Viterbi library can be used for the convolutional code, the scrambler is simple and I have already implemented a working GPL descrambler, and there's plenty of open source code for HDLC around. So I have the impression that if Outernet doesn't release an open source demodulator is just because they don't want to, not because of using copyrighted code or NDAs for something very secret. It seems that for some reason Outernet wants to keep the key pieces of their receiver closed-source. Just enough to keep someone from writing an alternative receiver software. > I'm interested in following this :-) I'll keep you updated off-list. So far I've written to the copyright holders for libmirisdr and librtlsdr, the Free Software Fundation and a few people at Outernet. 73, Dani. From AJ9N at aol.com Wed Oct 12 20:48:10 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:48:10 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-12 20:30 UTC Message-ID: <5310f4.5f19173a.452ffb8a@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-12 20:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact is a go for: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL, direct via N4J (***) The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-17 16:08:01 UTC 83 deg (***) **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-12 20:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1088. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1053. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-11 05:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From ka3hdo at verizon.net Wed Oct 12 21:56:48 2016 From: ka3hdo at verizon.net (KA3HDO) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:56:48 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS International Meeting JSC Tour Time Change Message-ID: <027a01d224d3$8898cb60$99ca6220$@verizon.net> ARISS-International Meeting Attendees: The ARISS-US team had a meeting with NASA yesterday on the November ARISS-I meeting and our tour plans. We were informed that our ARISS tour time, originally planned for Monday November 14th in the afternoon, will change. We are now scheduled from 8:30 am-11:30 am on Monday November 14. NASA stated that they are overwhelmed by the substantial influx of tour requests on Monday. This includes the SpaceCom conference, the ARISS-I meeting and the normal tour groups from Space Center Houston. An estimated 2,000 attendees will be coming to the SpaceCom conference (industry, academia, and government space leaders) that will be held the same time as our ARISS-I meeting in Houston. Unfortunately, this will limit tour guides and tour availability in the times they can work with our group-thus the need for the tour time change. We apologize for this, but I think you can understand this is unavoidable. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this, please contact me directly at my ka3hdo at amsat.org e-mail. Thanks, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs ARISS International Chair From tjschuessler at verizon.net Thu Oct 13 02:58:00 2016 From: tjschuessler at verizon.net (Tom Schuessler) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 21:58:00 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] K2BSA/5 on satellite for JOTA this Saturday. Message-ID: <004c01d224fd$9c219ca0$d464d5e0$@net> Please look for K2BSA/5 running satellite operations for Jamboree on the Air this Saturday from the National Scouting Museum in Irving Texas in EM12. Andrew Koenig, KE5GDB and Keith Pugh, W5IU will be running the sat. station this year from about 1500-2200Z on the 15th. We even have the educational model of the Fox satellites to show off to the Scouts. Please give us a shout and be patient if a Scout happens to be on mic. Your interest in contacting us might just spur a prospective new ham or two to take up our challenging aspect of the hobby. Tom Schuessler N5HYP, From richard.siff at verizon.net Thu Oct 13 11:47:10 2016 From: richard.siff at verizon.net (Rich/wa4bue) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 07:47:10 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] K4AMG FM 14 OCT 15 GOTA Station In-Reply-To: <004c01d224fd$9c219ca0$d464d5e0$@net> References: <004c01d224fd$9c219ca0$d464d5e0$@net> Message-ID: Good morning Postponed to this weekend due to Hurricane Matthew, we will be operating SATCOMs and HF at the Chesapeake heritage and Waterway Festival in Chesapeake, VA. Operations will start as early as 0900 - 1600 EDT. We are a small group mentoring youth in electronics and wireless communications and sponsor to school amateur radio clubs in Chesapeake - W4FOS and W4GBH. Caution: If we do not have enough people to show up we could miss a pass if we are busy speaking with parents and students. K4AMG outfits the schools with complete HF stations, and 2 meter equipment. Our Portable SATCOM Station is computerized dialed into a TS 2000, Yeasu AZL rotors, Preamps, and M2 Beams. We sponsor a STEM TREASURE HUNT where the winning class wins a price. The students travels from vendor to vendor collecting answers to about 10 -15 questions they are giving. The class with the most correct answers wins. K4AMG is a public charity 501c3. Maybe we will hear you on the linier birds. Rich W4BUE Founder K4AMG K4AMG.org From aptura.larry at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 14:08:53 2016 From: aptura.larry at gmail.com (Larry Koziel) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:08:53 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS International Meeting JSC Tour Time Change Message-ID: Frank, Am I correct in assuming that this time change makes it impossible for attendees of the AMSAT Symposium cruise to take the tour? Larry K8MU From ka3hdo at verizon.net Thu Oct 13 19:04:03 2016 From: ka3hdo at verizon.net (KA3HDO) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:04:03 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS International Meeting JSC Tour Time Change Message-ID: <000001d22584$9149f660$b3dde320$@verizon.net> Larry, Thanks for asking. Unfortunately you are correct regarding the Monday tour. That is why we wanted to get this on -bb, so all are aware of this unfolding issue. Once we learned about the tour time change, we were acutely aware that it conflictrf with the cruise arrival time. We pushed back on NASA fairly hard to correct this but were unsuccessful. Their only suggestion was cutting back the tour to only an hour---from 10:30-11:30--to accommodate those on the cruise. We did not think this was a good idea because the tour would be inferior and it is not clear that those on the cruise could get there by 10:30. So we are working alternatives for those affected. If folks are affected by this, we need to generate a list of all that want to attend the tour but cannot due to this constraint. Once we have that, we plan to go back to NASA and see what alternatives we can offer up to them. FYI we have already engaged with NASA on alternatives. I am not sure what they will be able to support yet. So, please, if you are affected by this new tour time constraint, let me know ASAP at my ka3hdo at amsat.org address that you are still interested in the tour be cannot come due to the tour time change. Larry, I have you on the list. 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ************* Frank, Am I correct in assuming that this time change makes it impossible for attendees of the AMSAT Symposium cruise to take the tour? Larry K8MU ************* ARISS-International Meeting Attendees: The ARISS-US team had a meeting with NASA yesterday on the November ARISS-I meeting and our tour plans. We were informed that our ARISS tour time, originally planned for Monday November 14th in the afternoon, will change. We are now scheduled from 8:30 am-11:30 am on Monday November 14. NASA stated that they are overwhelmed by the substantial influx of tour requests on Monday. This includes the SpaceCom conference, the ARISS-I meeting and the normal tour groups from Space Center Houston. An estimated 2,000 attendees will be coming to the SpaceCom conference (industry, academia, and government space leaders) that will be held the same time as our ARISS-I meeting in Houston. Unfortunately, this will limit tour guides and tour availability in the times they can work with our group-thus the need for the tour time change. We apologize for this, but I think you can understand this is unavoidable. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this, please contact me directly at my ka3hdo at amsat.org e-mail. Thanks, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs ARISS International Chair From skristof at etczone.com Thu Oct 13 19:05:33 2016 From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:05:33 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite telemetry in the classroom Message-ID: I'd like to hear from anyone who has used amateur radio satellite telemetry as part of a lesson in a classroom. Any grade level (k - undergraduate college) is fine. Feel free to contact me on-list or off-list as may be appropriate for your response. Thank you! Steve Kristoff AI9IN From skristof at etczone.com Thu Oct 13 19:46:05 2016 From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:46:05 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] another question Message-ID: <685804784a174e304c712900b59919ad@etczone.com> My head filled up with questions today, so I'm trying to get a few out to the folks who know the answers. First, Thanks to Jan for sending a copy of his presentation! My question: We can get data about voltages coming from X, Y, and Z solar panels. I understand that X, Y, and Z are three spatial axes. But solar panels are planes. Are the panels oriented in a particular plane (i.e. is the X panel in the X-Y plane or the X-Z plane) or do they rotate around their particular axis? If they are fixed in one plane, is it standard for most satellites, or does it vary from satellite to satellite? If it varies, how can we tell which plane the solar panel is in? Are the axes always in the same orientation (e.g. is the Z axis always pointed towards the Earth?)? If there is a book or other reference for these kinds of things, please let me know. Thanks for your thoughts!! Steve AI9IN From wouterweg at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 20:45:17 2016 From: wouterweg at gmail.com (Wouter Weggelaar) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:45:17 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite telemetry in the classroom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, The FUNcube project has a lot of resources available. What are you looking for specifically? Wouter PA3WEG On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:05 PM, wrote: > I'd like to hear from anyone who has used amateur radio satellite > telemetry as part of a lesson in a classroom. Any grade level (k - > undergraduate college) is fine. > > Feel free to contact me on-list or off-list as may be appropriate for > your response. > > Thank you! > > Steve Kristoff > > AI9IN > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From jameshickox at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 13 21:15:36 2016 From: jameshickox at sbcglobal.net (James Hickox) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Insulated AWG to bare copper or aluminum References: <1615199973.45594.1476393337001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1615199973.45594.1476393337001@mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, I am wondering if there is any "simple" conversion factor to use to modify the length of an antenna element from insulated #10 AWG copper wire to anther gage of wire or to aluminum or copper tubing.? I don't wish to learn any modeling software at this time?? I need the information so I can use materials I have on hand to build yagi antennas for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. ? Thanks and 73,James, AA5AO From WB4SON at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 21:41:03 2016 From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:41:03 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Insulated AWG to bare copper or aluminum In-Reply-To: <1615199973.45594.1476393337001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1615199973.45594.1476393337001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1615199973.45594.1476393337001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The best I can do for you comes from the documentation for antenna modeling software which does cover the impact of the element diameter. The impact on the driven reflector is almost zero. The impact on the directors is not quite zero. Doubling the diameter of the element, example going from 12.5mm to 25mm (1/2" to 1") will cause the driven element to SHORTEN by 5mm (that's about 0.2 inches). In other words, you can pretty much forget it. The impact on the directors is larger, SHORTENING it about 25mm, or an inch. But even so, these dimensional changes are FAR less significant that the changes due to height, ground characteristics, and what else is near the antenna. In other words you can forget about factoring it in. Same thing is pretty much true for insulated vs. non-insulated wire -- you can pretty much forget about it. Good luck! 73, Bob, WB4SON On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:15 PM, James Hickox wrote: > Hello All, I am wondering if there is any "simple" conversion factor to > use to modify the length of an antenna element from insulated #10 AWG > copper wire to anther gage of wire or to aluminum or copper tubing. I > don't wish to learn any modeling software at this time I need the > information so I can use materials I have on hand to build yagi antennas > for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. > Thanks and 73,James, AA5AO > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From tnetcenter at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 21:42:07 2016 From: tnetcenter at gmail.com (Jeff Moore) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:42:07 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Insulated AWG to bare copper or aluminum Message-ID: Hi James, I think you may be out of luck. AFAIK, there isn't a simple conversion since the entire dimensions of the antenna is dependent upon the diameter of the various elements, that is the primary reason people use the modeling software in the first place to find these things out! Changing the diameter of the elements will affect their length as well as the spacing between the elements - there's nothing simple about any of it!!! Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:15 PM, James Hickox wrote: > Hello All, I am wondering if there is any "simple" conversion factor to > use to modify the length of an antenna element from insulated #10 AWG > copper wire to anther gage of wire or to aluminum or copper tubing. I > don't wish to learn any modeling software at this time I need the > information so I can use materials I have on hand to build yagi antennas > for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. > Thanks and 73,James, AA5AO > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From ai7rogerroger at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 22:12:02 2016 From: ai7rogerroger at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:12:02 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Insulated AWG to bare copper or aluminum In-Reply-To: References: <1615199973.45594.1476393337001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1615199973.45594.1476393337001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, you're going to get a wide variety of answers to your question and for good reason. All insulation is not created equal and therefore will have varying effects on your project. I'm not aware of a simple formula either but could possibly assist in your efforts. It sounds like you want to use 10awg Romex. In this case, I'd strip the insulation from the copper, secure one end of the copper in a vice or similar device, put the far end in a variable speed drill and gently twist the copper wire to create stiffer material. What yagi design do you have in mind? How many elements? What type of feed? How high do you intend to mount the antenna? These things all need to be taken into consideration for efficiency. 73, Roger W7TZ CN83ia On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Bob wrote: > The best I can do for you comes from the documentation for antenna modeling > software which does cover the impact of the element diameter. The impact > on the driven reflector is almost zero. The impact on the directors is not > quite zero. > > Doubling the diameter of the element, example going from 12.5mm to 25mm > (1/2" to 1") will cause the driven element to SHORTEN by 5mm (that's about > 0.2 inches). In other words, you can pretty much forget it. The impact on > the directors is larger, SHORTENING it about 25mm, or an inch. But even > so, these dimensional changes are FAR less significant that the changes due > to height, ground characteristics, and what else is near the antenna. In > other words you can forget about factoring it in. > > Same thing is pretty much true for insulated vs. non-insulated wire -- you > can pretty much forget about it. > > Good luck! > > 73, Bob, WB4SON > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:15 PM, James Hickox > wrote: > > > Hello All, I am wondering if there is any "simple" conversion factor to > > use to modify the length of an antenna element from insulated #10 AWG > > copper wire to anther gage of wire or to aluminum or copper tubing. I > > don't wish to learn any modeling software at this time I need the > > information so I can use materials I have on hand to build yagi antennas > > for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. > > Thanks and 73,James, AA5AO > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From ai7rogerroger at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 22:15:53 2016 From: ai7rogerroger at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:15:53 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Insulated AWG to bare copper or aluminum In-Reply-To: References: <1615199973.45594.1476393337001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1615199973.45594.1476393337001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oops. My bad. James, not Bob. 73, Roger W7TZ CN83ia On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Roger wrote: > Bob, you're going to get a wide variety of answers to your question and > for good reason. All insulation is not created equal and therefore will > have varying effects on your project. I'm not aware of a simple formula > either but could possibly assist in your efforts. It sounds like you want > to use 10awg Romex. In this case, I'd strip the insulation from the copper, > secure one end of the copper in a vice or similar device, put the far end > in a variable speed drill and gently twist the copper wire to create > stiffer material. What yagi design do you have in mind? How many elements? > What type of feed? How high do you intend to mount the antenna? These > things all need to be taken into consideration for efficiency. > > > 73, Roger > W7TZ > CN83ia > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Bob wrote: > >> The best I can do for you comes from the documentation for antenna >> modeling >> software which does cover the impact of the element diameter. The impact >> on the driven reflector is almost zero. The impact on the directors is >> not >> quite zero. >> >> Doubling the diameter of the element, example going from 12.5mm to 25mm >> (1/2" to 1") will cause the driven element to SHORTEN by 5mm (that's about >> 0.2 inches). In other words, you can pretty much forget it. The impact >> on >> the directors is larger, SHORTENING it about 25mm, or an inch. But even >> so, these dimensional changes are FAR less significant that the changes >> due >> to height, ground characteristics, and what else is near the antenna. In >> other words you can forget about factoring it in. >> >> Same thing is pretty much true for insulated vs. non-insulated wire -- you >> can pretty much forget about it. >> >> Good luck! >> >> 73, Bob, WB4SON >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 5:15 PM, James Hickox >> wrote: >> >> > Hello All, I am wondering if there is any "simple" conversion factor to >> > use to modify the length of an antenna element from insulated #10 AWG >> > copper wire to anther gage of wire or to aluminum or copper tubing. I >> > don't wish to learn any modeling software at this time I need the >> > information so I can use materials I have on hand to build yagi antennas >> > for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. >> > Thanks and 73,James, AA5AO >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions >> > expressed >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> > AMSAT-NA. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 01:34:16 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:34:16 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... Message-ID: Hi all, I just noticed today that recently the Outernet satellite information service just switched from K-band to L-band. This allows for a much smaller patch antenna to receive the signal from Inmarsat, but at a lower bit rate (20 MB/day). This is a free service, and can be received with low-cost hardware: Raspberry Pi 3, RTL-SDR, LNA, and patch antenna. All available from Amazon. Apparently APRS is being rebroadcast, as well as weather satellite information. 73 Dave ad0qe From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 14 01:36:02 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:36:02 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> Mac Software ? > On 14 Oct. 2016, at 11:34 am, Dave Hartzell wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just noticed today that recently the Outernet satellite information > service just switched from K-band to L-band. > > This allows for a much smaller patch antenna to receive the signal from > Inmarsat, but at a lower bit rate (20 MB/day). > > This is a free service, and can be received with low-cost hardware: > Raspberry Pi 3, RTL-SDR, LNA, and patch antenna. All available from > Amazon. > > Apparently APRS is being rebroadcast, as well as weather satellite > information. > > 73 > Dave > ad0qe > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 01:47:36 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:47:36 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> Message-ID: They provide a VM that seems to work on the Mac, I just booted it, and it found the RTL_SDR dongle... On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Andrew Rich wrote: > Mac Software ? > > > > On 14 Oct. 2016, at 11:34 am, Dave Hartzell wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I just noticed today that recently the Outernet satellite information > > service just switched from K-band to L-band. > > > > This allows for a much smaller patch antenna to receive the signal from > > Inmarsat, but at a lower bit rate (20 MB/day). > > > > This is a free service, and can be received with low-cost hardware: > > Raspberry Pi 3, RTL-SDR, LNA, and patch antenna. All available from > > Amazon. > > > > Apparently APRS is being rebroadcast, as well as weather satellite > > information. > > > > 73 > > Dave > > ad0qe > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > From vk4tec at tech-software.net Fri Oct 14 01:52:46 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:52:46 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> Dave Can u tell me what to do please I am new Andrew > On 14 Oct. 2016, at 11:47 am, Dave Hartzell wrote: > > They provide a VM that seems to work on the Mac, I just booted it, and it found the RTL_SDR dongle... > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Andrew Rich > wrote: > Mac Software ? > > > > On 14 Oct. 2016, at 11:34 am, Dave Hartzell > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I just noticed today that recently the Outernet satellite information > > service just switched from K-band to L-band. > > > > This allows for a much smaller patch antenna to receive the signal from > > Inmarsat, but at a lower bit rate (20 MB/day). > > > > This is a free service, and can be received with low-cost hardware: > > Raspberry Pi 3, RTL-SDR, LNA, and patch antenna. All available from > > Amazon. > > > > Apparently APRS is being rebroadcast, as well as weather satellite > > information. > > > > 73 > > Dave > > ad0qe > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > From kayakfishtx at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 01:57:27 2016 From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:57:27 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P NPOTA activation MN03 in DM95 Message-ID: On Friday, October 14 I will operate two passes from the Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument (NPOTA Unit MN03) in gridsquare DM95: 16:04-16:20 FO-29 16:24-16:45 SO-50 https://www.nps.gov/alfl/index.htm 73, Clayton W5PFG From va3kkz at amsat.org Fri Oct 14 01:50:20 2016 From: va3kkz at amsat.org (Daniel Kekez) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:50:20 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] another question In-Reply-To: <685804784a174e304c712900b59919ad@etczone.com> References: <685804784a174e304c712900b59919ad@etczone.com> Message-ID: <20161014015020.GA24305@ddk.kekez.ca> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 03:46:05PM -0400, skristof at etczone.com wrote: > My question: We can get data about voltages coming from X, Y, and Z > solar panels. I understand that X, Y, and Z are three spatial axes. > > But solar panels are planes. Are the panels oriented in a particular > plane (i.e. is the X panel in the X-Y plane or the X-Z plane) or do they > rotate around their particular axis? The X panel's normal vector is aligned with the X axis of the satellite. So the X panel is parallel to the Y-Z plane. > If they are fixed in one plane, is it standard for most satellites, or > does it vary from satellite to satellite? If it varies, how can we tell > which plane the solar panel is in? Coordinate axes are arbitary for each satellite. The designer of the satellite will include an axis triad on solid model drawings so others will know how the axes are labeled. In fact, various components on the satellite, like attitude sensors (sun sensors, Earth horizon sensors, star trackers), will have their own axes in their own frames of reference. Some math is then required to map their measurements into the satellite's frame of reference, which is called the body frame. > Are the axes always in the same orientation (e.g. is the Z axis always > pointed towards the Earth?)? It depends on the attitude control system of the satellite. In the absence of control, the satellite could be pointed anywhere at any given time. If the satellite has magnets, it can align with the Earth's magnetic field, like a compass needle does. Earth observation satellites use reaction wheels or control-modement gyros to precisely control their pointing and keep their camera on one face of the satellite percisely pointed at the Earth. > If there is a book or other reference for these kinds of things, please > let me know. One of the common engineering texts that give an overview of all satellite subsystems and various design trades is _Space Mission Analysis and Design_ by Larson and Wertz. The latest edition of this book is now called _Space Mission Engineering_ by Wertz. But there are many others. Regards, -Daniel VA3KKZ From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 02:02:10 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:02:10 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> Message-ID: Andrew, https://outernet.is/docs and https://outernet.is/s/Outernet-L-Band-Manual-v0300.pdf Instead of a Raspberry Pi, you can try the Virtual Machines, but dig in to the above to get started. On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Andrew Rich wrote: > Dave > > Can u tell me what to do please > > I am new > > Andrew > > On 14 Oct. 2016, at 11:47 am, Dave Hartzell wrote: > > They provide a VM that seems to work on the Mac, I just booted it, and it > found the RTL_SDR dongle... > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Andrew Rich > wrote: > >> Mac Software ? >> >> >> > On 14 Oct. 2016, at 11:34 am, Dave Hartzell wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I just noticed today that recently the Outernet satellite information >> > service just switched from K-band to L-band. >> > >> > This allows for a much smaller patch antenna to receive the signal from >> > Inmarsat, but at a lower bit rate (20 MB/day). >> > >> > This is a free service, and can be received with low-cost hardware: >> > Raspberry Pi 3, RTL-SDR, LNA, and patch antenna. All available from >> > Amazon. >> > >> > Apparently APRS is being rebroadcast, as well as weather satellite >> > information. >> > >> > 73 >> > Dave >> > ad0qe >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> > > From k7trkradio at charter.net Fri Oct 14 08:37:43 2016 From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 01:37:43 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P NPOTA activation MN03 in DM95 Message-ID: <000301d225f6$40962550$c1c26ff0$@charter.net> Hi Clayton, notwithstanding the radio aspect, that Park looks like an incredible place. (The Park web site is one of the worse sites ever seen but since I have once been to Amarillo, I can see that the Park is up in the panhandle). I'm intrigued with all the greenery in the site photos. I thought the Panhandle area was pretty dry and flat. Anyway, looks like a beautiful place and a good middle ground for a sat contact as it should be up against OK if memory serves. Good Luck ! 73, Ted K7TRK -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clayton Coleman Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:57 PM To: AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P NPOTA activation MN03 in DM95 On Friday, October 14 I will operate two passes from the Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument (NPOTA Unit MN03) in gridsquare DM95: 16:04-16:20 FO-29 16:24-16:45 SO-50 https://www.nps.gov/alfl/index.htm 73, Clayton W5PFG _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From zleffke at vt.edu Fri Oct 14 02:51:29 2016 From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:51:29 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite telemetry in the classroom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We used the FunCube telemetry downlink here at VT for a class project for the undergrad Satellite Communications class in the ECE department. More specifically, we examined the AO-73 to FO-29 crosslinks that happen every so often. The students had to simulate the orbits, determine when chains were established between AO-73 to FO-29 to the VTGS, and then do a full link budget and doppler computation in one second time steps for each chain event. The project culminated with a couple attempts to monitor FO-29, searching for the AO-73 downlink, according to the prediction software. We got lucky and were able to dig out a few packets that married up perfectly with the students' simulation software. We have had a number of other projects for undergraduate independent study credit, but those were mostly case by case basis. I also do satellite demos as part of a High School outreach camp run by the VT Center for the Enhancement of Engineering Diversity (CEED) where a number of high school senior girls attend the camp and get introduced to many different fields of engineering in an effort to convince them to attend VT. For the demos I usually use FunCube telemetry direct reception and the dashboard to show them what its like to download data from a satellite. Additionally, we try to track ISS and monitor packet traffic, and occasionally I try to make a voice contact or two via FO-29 (also, wanted to go after Fox-1 this year for TLM and voice comms, but the schedule with the campers didn't line up quite right with pass times). If you would like more info on what all we've pursued here at VT, let me know (a number of other previous and ongoing projects, directly related to Amateur Satellites). If you are talking more specifically about actually looking at the decoded telemetry data for the purpose of tracking trends over time, or something along those lines, then no we haven't really dug into that.....yet. Hope this helps, feel free to let me know if you would like more details. -Zach, KJ4QLP Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 On 10/13/2016 3:05 PM, skristof at etczone.com wrote: > I'd like to hear from anyone who has used amateur radio satellite > telemetry as part of a lesson in a classroom. Any grade level (k - > undergraduate college) is fine. > > Feel free to contact me on-list or off-list as may be appropriate for > your response. > > Thank you! > > Steve Kristoff > > AI9IN > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 14 05:32:48 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 01:32:48 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE Message-ID: An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE on 15 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 14:00 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK4KHZ. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. Welcome to the Amateur Radio on the International Space Station contact hosted by the University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute. Today, a group of scouts will serve as astronaut interviewers and will have the rare opportunity to speak with an astronaut onboard the International Space Station as it orbits about 250 miles above the surface of the Earth. We are hosting this exciting STEM outreach event as part of the Mid America Council's Jubilee celebration and Scouting's world-wide Jamboree On The Air event. For Nebraskans, this ARISS contact is especially significant as we are only a few miles from Ashland, Nebraska, the home of Nebraska's own astronaut, Clayton Anderson. Throughout this weekend and the run-up to this ARISS contact, scouts have been able to explore a number of different aspects of space and amateur radio, where knowledge of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics are key. Astronaut Interviewers, who will talk with our astronaut, completed a rigorous application and review process, prior to being selected for this unique assignment. Other activities at Jubilee have included launching straw rockets, learning about near space science through high altitude ballooning, and operating amateur radio stations to connect with other scouts around the world. Lastly, this outreach event would not have been possible without the tremendous support from volunteers at the Mid America Council, the University of Nebraska at Omaha's College of Education, the NASA Nebraska Space Grant, the Bellevue Amateur Radio Club, and the Peter Kiewit Institute. Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 1. What is your favorite thing you have seen while in space? 2. What do you do in your free time? 3. How does it feel being in low gravity? 4. How long does it take to get to the Station? 5. How often do you get to talk with your family? 6. What does lightning look like from space? 7. What differences in your body have you noticed since being in space? 8. What does it feel like to lift off and rocket into space? 9. What should I be doing now to prepare myself to be an astronaut? 10. What long term health concerns do you have while being in space and once you return? 11. What is the one thing you miss most about Earth when you are on the ISS? 12. What is the most difficult thing about living in space? 13. What is the most important science mission that you've conducted so far on the ISS? 14. Why did you choose to be an astronaut? 15. If you could do any other mission in space, what would it be? 16. What was the most difficult part of astronaut training? 17. How long have you been in space? 18. How do you exercise in space? 19. How do you eat in zero gravity? 20. What's your favorite thing to do in your off time? PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status Next planned event(s): 1. Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL, direct via N4J The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-17 16:08 UTC About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Thank you & 73, David - AA4KN --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 09:43:30 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 05:43:30 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] More VP5/AA4FL plans Message-ID: I have updated my AA4FL QRZ page with additional information about operating plans. Will try to get on more birds on the weekend of Oct. 21-23. I also have a VP5/AA4FL page up if you want to ogle the QTH, but operating details are on the AA4FL page. See you in the logs! 73, Jay AA4FL From kb1sf at kbakers.com Fri Oct 14 15:08:28 2016 From: kb1sf at kbakers.com (kb1sf at kbakers.com) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 08:08:28 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] JOTA on sats from EN-93 Message-ID: <20161014080828.3c113581494067df3af46d9f1ce23160.255077ea86.mailapi@email23.godaddy.com> If all goes as planned, Art, VE3GNF and I will be on the birds this Saturday (& possibly Sunday) for the 2017 Scout JOTA from Grid EN-93 using Art's VE3SY call. Hope to meet you all there! 73, Keith, KB1SF / VA3KSF From w0jab at big-river.net Fri Oct 14 15:39:36 2016 From: w0jab at big-river.net (John Becker) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 10:39:36 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? Message-ID: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. Let me start by saying that I have NOT. But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? John, W0JAB From wa4sca at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 15:50:26 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 10:50:26 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> Message-ID: <000201d22632$af036020$0d0a2060$@GMAIL.COM> Have the plug and play system up and running. Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears the trees. After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;) 73s, Alan WA4SCA From n8hm at arrl.net Fri Oct 14 15:56:47 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:56:47 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? In-Reply-To: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> References: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> Message-ID: Apogee View lays out the status of AMSAT projects in a comprehensive fashion six times per year in The AMSAT Journal. The answers to these types of questions are usually found there. I encourage everyone to read the Journal as soon as it arrives in your mailbox. 73, Paul, N8HM On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, John Becker wrote: > OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. > Let me start by saying that I have NOT. > But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? > > John, W0JAB > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From simon at sdr-radio.com Fri Oct 14 16:06:35 2016 From: simon at sdr-radio.com (Simon Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:06:35 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? In-Reply-To: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> References: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> Message-ID: <004f01d22634$f0464e60$d0d2eb20$@sdr-radio.com> Sadly no concrete plans for HEO on the horizon :( . Simon Brown, GK4ELI http://sdr-radio.com -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of John Becker Sent: 14 October 2016 16:40 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. Let me start by saying that I have NOT. But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? John, W0JAB _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 14 16:19:06 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:19:06 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? In-Reply-To: References: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> Message-ID: <5801057A.60503@cfl.rr.com> Apogee is only available to members. Keep in mind that not all participants on this list are members. Reid, W4UPD Amsat: 17002 On 10/14/2016 11:56 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Apogee View lays out the status of AMSAT projects in a comprehensive > fashion six times per year in The AMSAT Journal. The answers to these > types of questions are usually found there. I encourage everyone to > read the Journal as soon as it arrives in your mailbox. > > 73, > > Paul, N8HM > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, John Becker wrote: >> OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. >> Let me start by saying that I have NOT. >> But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? >> >> John, W0JAB >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From kb1pvh at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 16:26:10 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:26:10 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? In-Reply-To: References: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> <5801057A.60503@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Reid, That is very true. What I have noticed is that the people who aren't members seem to gripe the most about no HEO and one in particular stated he would pay all past years dues when AMSAT launches one. I'm not sure how paying after it gets built and launched helps to make it happen. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 On Oct 14, 2016 12:19 PM, "w4upd" wrote: Apogee is only available to members. Keep in mind that not all participants on this list are members. Reid, W4UPD Amsat: 17002 On 10/14/2016 11:56 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Apogee View lays out the status of AMSAT projects in a comprehensive > fashion six times per year in The AMSAT Journal. The answers to these > types of questions are usually found there. I encourage everyone to > read the Journal as soon as it arrives in your mailbox. > > 73, > > Paul, N8HM > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, John Becker wrote: > >> OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. >> Let me start by saying that I have NOT. >> But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? >> >> John, W0JAB >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k9jkm at comcast.net Fri Oct 14 16:27:07 2016 From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:27:07 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? In-Reply-To: <5801057A.60503@cfl.rr.com> References: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> <5801057A.60503@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <005b01d22637$ce6aacc0$6b400640$@net> > Apogee is only available to members. Keep in mind that not all > participants on this list are members. One of the chief benefits of paid-up AMSAT-NA membership is to receive the information first via the AMSAT Journal. -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm at amsat.org From bruninga at usna.edu Fri Oct 14 16:28:01 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:28:01 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: <000201d22632$af036020$0d0a2060$@GMAIL.COM> References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> <000201d22632$af036020$0d0a2060$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: From: Alan WA4SCA > I Have the plug and play system up and running. > Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears the trees. > After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;) I was ready to buy the stuff and got too confused. So Scott, K4KDR wrote this nice summary: http://aprs.org/OUTNET/Scotts-description1.txt I have a link to it on the APRS OUTNET page: http://aprs.org/outnet.html BIG PICTURE: The bottom line is you build one of these boxes, take it anywhere in the world, and it receives the Outernlink downlink and creates a WiFi hot spot that any surrounding users in WiFi range can then access the downloaded files. In addition to Weather for example are the hourly APRS files showing all the Amateur Radio Satellite APRS downlink data. And/or any APRS traffic that contains the word OUTNET in it. So anyone can send messages anywhere in the world to such users. Then they can use APRS on HF or satellites or whatever to reply back. Thus, a possible 2-way emergency response system. Bob, WB4APR From wa4sca at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 17:26:52 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:26:52 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> <000201d22632$af036020$0d0a2060$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <000001d22640$27d02300$77706900$@GMAIL.COM> Bob, A couple of hours later, and I also have weather, some basic news, pictures, etc. Reminds me of the KO-23 pacsat days. Easy to check from my computer, but also my phone. Next step is to come up with a better and more waterproof mount than the two old textbooks I used. Scott's collection is good. The basic information is there on the Outernet site, but badly scattered. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- I Have the plug and play system up and running. <> Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;) < References: <685804784a174e304c712900b59919ad@etczone.com> <20161014015020.GA24305@ddk.kekez.ca> Message-ID: <23d80f155af7ee488e6224564d7784a9@etczone.com> Thank you. That makes a bunch of sense. For some reason my brain got stuck on thinking about extended solar panels like on the ISS, instead of on the side of a cube (Cubesat!). Steve On 2016-10-13 21:50, Daniel Kekez wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 03:46:05PM -0400, skristof at etczone.com wrote: > >> My question: We can get data about voltages coming from X, Y, and Z >> solar panels. I understand that X, Y, and Z are three spatial axes. >> >> But solar panels are planes. Are the panels oriented in a particular >> plane (i.e. is the X panel in the X-Y plane or the X-Z plane) or do they >> rotate around their particular axis? > > The X panel's normal vector is aligned with the X axis of the > satellite. So the X panel is parallel to the Y-Z plane. > >> If they are fixed in one plane, is it standard for most satellites, or >> does it vary from satellite to satellite? If it varies, how can we tell >> which plane the solar panel is in? > > Coordinate axes are arbitary for each satellite. The designer of the > satellite will include an axis triad on solid model drawings so others > will know how the axes are labeled. > > In fact, various components on the satellite, like attitude sensors (sun > sensors, Earth horizon sensors, star trackers), will have their own axes > in their own frames of reference. Some math is then required to map their > measurements into the satellite's frame of reference, which is called > the body frame. > >> Are the axes always in the same orientation (e.g. is the Z axis always >> pointed towards the Earth?)? > > It depends on the attitude control system of the satellite. In the > absence of control, the satellite could be pointed anywhere at any given > time. If the satellite has magnets, it can align with the Earth's > magnetic field, like a compass needle does. Earth observation satellites > use reaction wheels or control-modement gyros to precisely control their > pointing and keep their camera on one face of the satellite percisely > pointed at the Earth. > >> If there is a book or other reference for these kinds of things, please >> let me know. > > One of the common engineering texts that give an overview of all satellite > subsystems and various design trades is _Space Mission Analysis and > Design_ by Larson and Wertz. The latest edition of this book is now > called _Space Mission Engineering_ by Wertz. But there are many others. > > Regards, > -Daniel VA3KKZ From david.xe3dx at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:52:23 2016 From: david.xe3dx at gmail.com (David Maciel (XE3DX)) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:52:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] 4A0ASM Scout of Mexico (XE1AY-XE3DX) Message-ID: I'm not sure if will work on Saturday as 4A0ASM (Mexico Scout Association) or XE3DX from the scout camp (EK36), it all depends on availability. XE1AY DK-79 and XE3DX EK36, 4A0ASM work. Sorry, but the conditions will only be FM satellites AO-85, SO-50, LilacSat whenever possible. transmissions will be made all day, many at midnight from the camp. David Maciel XE3DX *http://www.qsl.net/xe3dx/ * *david.xe3dx at gmail.com * From kb1pvh at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 20:30:30 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:30:30 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Gulf Alpha antennas for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an 8x8 UHF and 5x5 VHF from Gulf Alpha that I am no longer using for sale. I just replaced the 2 N connectors on the UHF. $250 plus shipping. Contact me directly if interested. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Oct 14 20:52:30 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:52:30 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? Message-ID: <201610142052.u9EKqVj6014973@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Back on the "back shelf", but there is P3E (read in German): http://www.amsat-dl.org/index.php/satelliten-mainmenu-76/amsat-p3-e-mainmenu-83 73, Ed - KL7UW ---------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:06:35 +0100 From: "Simon Brown" To: Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? Message-ID: <004f01d22634$f0464e60$d0d2eb20$@sdr-radio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sadly no concrete plans for HEO on the horizon :( . Simon Brown, GK4ELI http://sdr-radio.com -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of John Becker Sent: 14 October 2016 16:40 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. Let me start by saying that I have NOT. But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? John, W0JAB 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From redski at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 14 21:01:44 2016 From: redski at bellsouth.net (W M Willoughby) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:01:44 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? Message-ID: I should also be noted that this list is also an AMSAT resource, supported by members' dues. Red KC4LE From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 22:35:49 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:35:49 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: <000001d22640$27d02300$77706900$@GMAIL.COM> References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> <000201d22632$af036020$0d0a2060$@GMAIL.COM> <000001d22640$27d02300$77706900$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: It seems like the Outernet folks may be ramping up the data feeds, so perhaps more content is to come. I hope someday a service like this will be available from an AMSAT geostationary service. On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Alan wrote: > Bob, > > A couple of hours later, and I also have weather, some basic news, > pictures, etc. Reminds me of the > KO-23 pacsat days. Easy to check from my computer, but also my phone. > Next step is to come up with a > better and more waterproof mount than the two old textbooks I used. > > Scott's collection is good. The basic information is there on the > Outernet site, but badly scattered. > > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > > <-----Original Message----- > Bruninga > > < > <> I Have the plug and play system up and running. > <> Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears > <> After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;) > < > < > < > < > <2-way emergency response system. > < > <_______________________________________________ > Opinions expressed > AMSAT-NA. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From k8bl at ameritech.net Fri Oct 14 23:53:51 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Any CY9C SAT QSLs? References: <772871140.684348.1476489231168.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <772871140.684348.1476489231168@mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone gotten a CY9C SAT QSL via LoTW? Last I heard, there was an issue with their N1MM SAT Logging. TNX, ? ? Bob - K8BL From n8hm at arrl.net Sat Oct 15 00:00:09 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:00:09 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Any CY9C SAT QSLs? In-Reply-To: <772871140.684348.1476489231168@mail.yahoo.com> References: <772871140.684348.1476489231168.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <772871140.684348.1476489231168@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, there were some issues with the logs. AMSAT has offered assistance with the logs and hopefully they will be corrected soon. 73, Paul, N8HM On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 7:53 PM, R.T.Liddy wrote: > Has anyone gotten a CY9C SAT QSL via LoTW? > Last I heard, there was an issue with their N1MM SAT Logging. > TNX, Bob - K8BL > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From daniel at destevez.net Sat Oct 15 11:36:21 2016 From: daniel at destevez.net (Dani EA4GPZ) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:36:21 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... In-Reply-To: References: <526290A1-A059-4C90-AE99-980AC20E9831@tech-software.net> <4E679B68-48E3-4D75-9616-943534EDDA05@tech-software.net> <000201d22632$af036020$0d0a2060$@GMAIL.COM> <000001d22640$27d02300$77706900$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: El 15/10/16 a las 00:35, Dave Hartzell escribi?: > I hope someday a service like this will be available from an AMSAT > geostationary service. I'm pretty confident that the guys at AMSAT-DL are capable of doing this much better on the upcoming EsHail'2 than what Outernet is currently doing on Inmarsat (unfortunately not worldwide coverage). They already have in mind a "DVB-S beacon", which is a DVB-S signal that is broadcast from the ground station at Qatar and through the wideband Amateur transponder. They plan to put informational videos about Ham radio and Ham radio events on this signal. They could also include some data stream if there is enough interest. What is more, if you have equipment to operate EsHail'2 on SSB, it's more or less easy to use either the narrowband transponder or the wideband transponder to transmit an Outernet-type signal through EsHail'2, so anyone can have a go with this. Outernet uses 4200baud BPSK and half of the bitrate is spent for FEC. You can use a bit less bitrate to get a signal that will even pass through a conventional 2.7kHz SSB filter and you can use less bits for FEC to get increased data throughput (at the cost of a bit more SNR required). 73, Dani EA4GPZ. From nss at mwt.net Sat Oct 15 13:57:03 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 08:57:03 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Active Birds Message-ID: <75a65028-84a5-bd6b-4087-5683779f458d@mwt.net> Morning All, I am getting serious about getting on the Birds again after a nearly 40 year gap. And have rather crudely actually made my first contact via a Bird in 40+ years on AO-07 With AL7RS in Alaska. Major kudos to him for trying to work my bogus signal! Way cool what a way to get started all over again. I have been going through the birds on this page, http://www.amsat.org/status/ And from what I am determining from what I have found so far. That if I try for a long term goal of Worked All States, That from my QTH here in EN43xo that the only bird that is capable of having a mutual window between me and KH6 Land Hawaii, is also via AO-07. Or are there any others that may have a mutual window? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From n8hm at arrl.net Sat Oct 15 14:07:26 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 10:07:26 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Active Birds In-Reply-To: <75a65028-84a5-bd6b-4087-5683779f458d@mwt.net> References: <75a65028-84a5-bd6b-4087-5683779f458d@mwt.net> Message-ID: FO-29 will also have windows with Hawaii for a period of time every couple of months (when the passes are closer to apogee, around 1,100 km+ altitude should do the trick) A couple of stations to try are NH6Y (AO-7 or FO-29, needs a few degrees of elevation due to obstructions to his east) and WH6XM (FO-29 only). 73, Paul, N8HM On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Joe wrote: > Morning All, > > I am getting serious about getting on the Birds again after a nearly 40 year > gap. > And have rather crudely actually made my first contact via a Bird in 40+ > years on AO-07 With AL7RS in Alaska. Major kudos to him for trying to work > my bogus signal! Way cool what a way to get started all over again. > > I have been going through the birds on this page, > http://www.amsat.org/status/ > > And from what I am determining from what I have found so far. That if I try > for a long term goal of Worked All States, That from my QTH here in EN43xo > that the only bird that is capable of having a mutual window between me and > KH6 Land Hawaii, is also via AO-07. > > Or are there any others that may have a mutual window? > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 14:19:02 2016 From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 09:19:02 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot? In-Reply-To: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> References: <3cb26ed9-afab-39ca-76eb-1fef9c4eb391@big-river.net> Message-ID: <58023acd.1749240a.74914.59a3@mx.google.com> > OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times. > Let me start by saying that I have NOT. > But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40? Hams interested in this thread may find this, released overnight, new video, of interest: http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/hamradionow-a-geosync-ham-satellite- for-the-americas-from-the-dcc.540872/ Watch the line wrap ... pretty sure the re-mailer will clobber this URL. If all else fails look on the news items on the front page at QRZ.com until it scrolls off in a couple of days. -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm at amsat.org From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net Sat Oct 15 17:31:18 2016 From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 17:31:18 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pacificon AMSAT demos today @ 1830-1900 UTC Message-ID: Hi! Pacificon is going very well for the AMSAT booth. Many thanks to Alan WA6DNR, his friend Louise, and TIm W6MU here at the convention. It rained a lot yesterday, but for now there's a break in the rain. I plan on working a couple of passes in the 1830-1900 UTC timeframe today, starting with SO-50 and then switching to FO-29 at the SO-50 LOS (or whenever I run out of stations to work on SO-50). Demonstrations will be done using W1AW/6, meaning ARRL will take care of the LOTW uploading and QSL chores. Thanks to the ARRL and Pacificon for allowing me to use the W1AW/6 call for the demonstrations. For FO-29, I plan on using a single FT-817 and Elk antenna, transmitting around 145.930 MHz +/-. Whether on SO-50 or FO-29, please call if you hear W1AW/6 on these passes. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK From normanlizeth at gmail.com Sat Oct 15 17:52:51 2016 From: normanlizeth at gmail.com (Norm n3ykf) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 14:52:51 -0300 Subject: [amsat-bb] Anyone have this book? Message-ID: Handbook of filter synthesis? by Zverev Need to get the procedure for tuning a helical filter found on p 518 and in figure 9.23. Found a reference to this. Thanks, Norm pz5yk (for a few more days) From AJ9N at aol.com Sun Oct 16 02:26:31 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 22:26:31 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-16 01:30 UTC Message-ID: <6360c1.7f752a12.45343f57@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-16 01:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact was successful: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg (***) Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL, direct via N4J The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-10-17 16:08:01 UTC 83 deg **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-16 01:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1089. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1054. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-16 01:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From ku4os at cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 16 02:33:24 2016 From: ku4os at cfl.rr.com (Lee McLamb) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 22:33:24 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-290 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins Message-ID: AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-290 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-editor at amsat.org. In this edition: * AMSAT RadFXSat Vibration Testing * 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Registration Still Open * AMSAT SA Sponsors SDR Workshop * Phase 4 Satellite Presentation at TAPR Digital Communication Conference SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-290.01 ANS-290 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins AMSAT News Service Bulletin 290.01 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD. DATE October 16, 2016 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-290.01 AMSAT RadFXSat Vibration Testing RadFxSat underwent vibration testing for two of the three axes on Monday, October 10 at NTS in Boxborough, MA. The X and Z axis were tested with Y axis testing following on Tuesday and final testing completed on Friday, October 14. Jerry Buxton, N0JY, AMSAT VP-Engineering reported, "All environmental and post- environmental tests passed. In the bag, another Fox in a Box ready for delivery and integration!" A YouTube video of the X-Axis test is available https://youtu.be/hPWxXPUmYQ4 Remaining activities include the Mission Readiness Review in December leading to delivery and integration currently scheduled for early January 2017. (ANS Jerry, N0JY, for the above information) --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Registration Still Open If you are an Individual attending Symposium on board the CARNIVAL LIBERTY departing Galveston, TX on November 10, you must register to attend the AMSAT Space Symposium & Annual Meeting through AMSAT. Cruise arrangements made through Carnival Cruise Lines does not include the registration fee for the Symposium itself. There are three options to register for Symposium: -Complete and mail to the AMSAT Office the 2016 Symposium Registration Form that was sent to all AMSAT members back in July along with the BoD ballot along with payment; -Call the AMSAT Office (301-822-4376) and speak with AMSAT Office Manager Martha Saragovitz ; or -Use the AMSAT Store (store.amsat.org) by selecting the ?2016 AMSAT-NA Symposium Registration? link found under ?Bestsellers? on the right hand side of the store?s main page. Registration for the Symposium is $40.00 and includes a copy of the ?Proceedings? that contains papers written for the Symposium as well as technical documentation that AMSAT is placing in the public domain. The ?Proceedings? will be available to attendees onboard ship. In addition, the registration provides a means to confirm the number of individuals in your party planning to attend the AMSAT Banquet as well as an opportunity to reserve seats for the Field Ops Breakfast. Both meals are open to anyone wishing to attend (AMSAT Registration is not necessary) and there is no charge for either event as food is included in your cruise package. However, by indicating how many individuals will be attending, it helps to ensure that sufficient seating is made available for each activity. As the AMSAT Office will not be open after Monday, 7 NOV 16 through that week, we ask that your Symposium Registration be received at the AMSAT office by Friday, 4 NOV 16. [ANS thanks 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium Committee for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSAT SA Sponsors SDR Workshop AMSAT SA is holding a half-day SDR workshop in cooperation with the South African Radio League at the National Amateur Radio Centre on 26 November 2016. The workshop will include videos and presentations on Software Defined Radio and a practical demonstration. AMSAT SA started a conversation with radio amateurs interested in SDR and soon realised that there is a wider interest in this developing technology in Amateur Radio. The cost of attending is a contribution to the Kletskous development fund with a minimum of R20 to cover refreshment. For more details and to book your place, visit www.amsatsa.org.za or follow the link from the League's home page. [ANS thanks SARL weekly news in English 2016-10-15 for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Phase 4 Satellite Presentation at TAPR Digital Communication Conference Gary Pearce KN4AQ has released a video of the Digital Communications Conference presentation by Bob McGwier N4HY about the AMSAT payload for a geosynchronous satellite. AMSAT-NA is developing a ?hosted payload? for a spacecraft that Millennium Space Systems (MSS) of El Segundo, California, is under contract to design, launch, and operate for the US government. The satellite?s potential footprint could extend over the US from the Mid-Pacific to Africa. The amateur radio payload will comprise a Software Defined Transponder capable of supporting many different modes, including analog SSB. Gary Pearce KN4AQ writes: We?ve been hearing about a Geosynchronous satellite for the Western Hemisphere for a while now, but not many details. In this episode from the DCC, project leader Bob McGwier N4HY fills in a lot of blanks. There?s no launch date yet, and maybe not quite enough info to start building your ground station (a ?Five & Dime? setup ? 5 GHz up, 10 GHz down), but you can start thinking about it. Bob's Phase 4 presentation at DCC can be viewed at the following link: https://youtu.be/BE6ZZ3MQsNY [ANS thanks HamRadioNow and AMSAT-UK for the above information] /EX In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi- tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT Office. Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu- dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status. Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership information. 73, This week's ANS Editor, Lee McLamb, KU4OS ku4os at amsat dot org From hobergenix at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 02:35:17 2016 From: hobergenix at gmail.com (Mike Hoblinski) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 19:35:17 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service Message-ID: I purchased the setup from Amazon and used the Raspberry Pi 3 board. Its only been running for about a day and its downloaded some of the WX info, APRS Lists, Pics, News. and Wiki lists. I am looking for a more suitable enclosure for outdoors. Its setup on a shelf about a foot in front of the window with Vertical plastic blinds closed and plastic window screen on the outside and it manages to get enough of a signal to download the packets. I do see a problem once my computer and monitor are powered up and possibly with the TV as well. I am powering it from the Raspberry PI wall wart for now but after a few days I want to try out my portable power pack and outdoor locations. The patch antenna is mounted on a plastic sheet with the L-Band Amp, SDR dongle, and Pi-3 on the other side. I have a tablet stand from the 99 cent store to tilt and aim the board for now. I was wondering what other users are seeing signal wise from their setup. Mine shows a SNR of only 2.8 and signal quality of around 3 to 4 on their setup screen but appears to do the job. Mike N6IMF From scott23192 at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 03:11:55 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 23:11:55 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, my SNR values are not very representative of what someone might see because I have partial tree cover in that direction. But generally speaking, my SNR's have been as follows: > patch antenna: 2's with an occasional 3 > TP-link 2.4GHz wi-fi dish: 6 to 8 > 1m dish w/ helical feed: 11 to 12 I'm using the Outernet LNA as well. FYI, my signal improved dramatically when I switched from the Outernet dongle to a metal-case rtl-sdr.com TXCO dongle (please note that the bias-T will have to be enabled if you try one of those). -Scott, K4KDR ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hoblinski Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:35 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service I purchased the setup from Amazon and used the Raspberry Pi 3 board. Its only been running for about a day and its downloaded some of the WX info, APRS Lists, Pics, News. and Wiki lists. I am looking for a more suitable enclosure for outdoors. Its setup on a shelf about a foot in front of the window with Vertical plastic blinds closed and plastic window screen on the outside and it manages to get enough of a signal to download the packets. I do see a problem once my computer and monitor are powered up and possibly with the TV as well. I am powering it from the Raspberry PI wall wart for now but after a few days I want to try out my portable power pack and outdoor locations. The patch antenna is mounted on a plastic sheet with the L-Band Amp, SDR dongle, and Pi-3 on the other side. I have a tablet stand from the 99 cent store to tilt and aim the board for now. I was wondering what other users are seeing signal wise from their setup. Mine shows a SNR of only 2.8 and signal quality of around 3 to 4 on their setup screen but appears to do the job. Mike N6IMF From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 16 03:49:08 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 23:49:08 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid Day Trip: EN95 + FN05 Message-ID: Hi All! Tomorrow (Sunday Oct 16) I'm going to spend a few hours in Parry Sound, ON, the home town of Bobby Orr, and near the EN95/FN05 boundary. I don't know of a location where I can set up on the common grid boundary. I haven't been there in a while. If I'm able to find one I will use it for the passes listed below. If not I'll do several passes from EN95 and then some from FN05. Follow @ve3hls on Twitter for details. I have included a few AO-7 passes in the hope that AO-7 will be in Mode B tomorrow. However, at the moment it looks like tomorrow might be a "Mode A day". If that turns out to be the case then you can scratch the AO-7 passes. There are no usable XW-2x passes during this period. 73 and hope to work you tomorrow! Ken, VE3HLS *----------------------------------------------------------* *DayObjectsAOS (U) LOS Period maxElAZ* *----------------------------------------------------------* *16.10.2016SO-5014:02 14:100819164 - 055* *16.10.2016FO-2914:18 14:301219098 - 002* *16.10.2016SO-5015:41 15:511057228 - 031* *16.10.2016FO-2915:59 16:171876157 - 348* *16.10.2016FO-2917:46 18:011524214 - 333* *16.10.2016AO-0718:03 18:171423102 - 354* *16.10.2016AO-8519:44 19:520819159 - 055* *16.10.2016AO-0719:53 20:111884159 - 343* *16.10.2016AO-8521:23 21:331061225 - 032* *16.10.2016AO-0721:48 22:031520217 - 326* From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 16 03:53:31 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 23:53:31 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid Day Trip to EN95 + FN05 Message-ID: <618e3013-9c9f-e14f-f813-c7c9971a5483@rogers.com> Sorry, that schedule came out poorly! Try this: *----------------------------------------------------------* *DayObjectsAOS (U) LOS Period maxElAZ* *----------------------------------------------------------* *16.10.2016SO-5014:02 14:100819164 - 055* *16.10.2016FO-2914:18 14:301219098 - 002* *16.10.2016SO-5015:41 15:511057228 - 031* *16.10.2016FO-2915:59 16:171876157 - 348* *16.10.2016FO-2917:46 18:011524214 - 333* *16.10.2016AO-0718:03 18:171423102 - 354* *16.10.2016AO-8519:44 19:520819159 - 055* *16.10.2016AO-0719:53 20:111884159 - 343* *16.10.2016AO-8521:23 21:331061225 - 032* *16.10.2016AO-0721:48 22:031520217 - 326* From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 16 03:54:47 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 23:54:47 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid Day Trip to EN95 + FN05 (take 3) Message-ID: <383c2245-1d40-f9a6-fb24-d4968fd8655b@rogers.com> ** *----------------------------------------------------------* *DayObjectsAOS (U) LOS Period maxElAZ* *----------------------------------------------------------* *16.10.2016SO-5014:02 14:100819164 - 055* *16.10.2016FO-2914:18 14:301219098 - 002* *16.10.2016SO-5015:41 15:511057228 - 031* *16.10.2016FO-2915:59 16:171876157 - 348* *16.10.2016FO-2917:46 18:011524214 - 333* *16.10.2016AO-0718:03 18:171423102 - 354* *16.10.2016AO-8519:44 19:520819159 - 055* *16.10.2016AO-0719:53 20:111884159 - 343* *16.10.2016AO-8521:23 21:331061225 - 032* *16.10.2016AO-0721:48 22:031520217 - 326* From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 16 03:59:28 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 23:59:28 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid Day Trip to EN95 + FN05 (take 4) Message-ID: ---------------------------------------------------------- Day Objects AOS (U) LOS Period maxEl AZ ---------------------------------------------------------- 16.10.2016 SO-50 14:02 14:10 08 19 164 - 055 16.10.2016 FO-29 14:18 14:30 12 19 098 - 002 16.10.2016 SO-50 15:41 15:51 10 57 228 - 031 16.10.2016 FO-29 15:59 16:17 18 76 157 - 348 16.10.2016 FO-29 17:46 18:01 15 24 214 - 333 16.10.2016 AO-07 18:03 18:17 14 23 102 - 354 16.10.2016 AO-85 19:44 19:52 08 19 159 - 055 16.10.2016 AO-07 19:53 20:11 18 84 159 - 343 16.10.2016 AO-85 21:23 21:33 10 61 225 - 032 16.10.2016 AO-07 21:48 22:03 15 20 217 - 326 From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 16 05:19:14 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 01:19:14 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL Message-ID: An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL on 17 Oct. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 16:08 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between NA1SS and N4J. The contact should be audible over Florida and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English. Howell L. Watkins is a public middle school for grades 6-8 located Palm Beach Gardens, Florida operating in the Palm Beach County School system. The school first opened in 1963 and has been in their current building for about thirteen years. The student population is 928 students with an average age group of 11 through 14 years. Ninety percent of the students are on the free or reduced lunch program and the student population has a high number of Limited English Proficiency students (LEP) and students who receive Exceptional Student Education (ESE) support services. The school currently has two magnet programs: a Medical Magnet and a Science, Technology, Robotics and Mathematics (STERM) program. There are 58 teachers providing instruction and 47 support personnel on the school staff. The school's mission is to educate students and to assist them in realizing their full potential as responsible, productive, contributing members of society by providing an educational environment in which students are challenged, excellence is expected and differences are valued. Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 1. What is your hypothesis on the future evolution of Mars? Do you think it will be the next landing site for astronauts? 2. In regards to Kepler-186f, how can you tell the life of a planet 500 light years away from Earth? 3. If you were left on Mars like in the movie "The Martian" what would you do? 4. Being in space weakens the bone structure, but what does it do to the Cardiovascular system, especially the heart? 5. What is the safety cord you use on space walks made of and can it be broken? 6. When did you know you wanted to become an astronaut and who inspired you? 7. Is it hard living in a small space with limited resources? 8. What is your favorite tool or gadget that you use in space and what is its purpose? 9. What would you do if the ISS were hit by space junk? 10. What was the hardest part about going into space? 11. What have you accomplished in space that you are the most proud of? 12. How long was your astronaut training and was it difficult? 13. How do you sleep upright in the sleeping bag and stay in the bag? 14. Is it hard getting used to sleeping on a flat bed when you get home? 15. How hard is it being away from your families? 16. After your body has evacuated its waste, what happens to it? 17. Which movie or TV show have you watched about space travel that is the most closely related to what you are experiencing? 18. How has your view of the Earth affected your view of humanity, or has your view of humanity changed since being able to look at the world from space? 19. What is the most impressive thing you have seen while in space? PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES: Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS). To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status Next planned event(s): TBD About ARISS: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Thank you & 73, David - AA4KN --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From wa4sca at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 06:14:24 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 01:14:24 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d22774$8b943040$a2bc90c0$@GMAIL.COM> Mike, I got their kit, being in a hurry, and have been running it on the front deck with a battery pack. It has a clear shot at the satellite, and I see SNR of 8-10 or so. The downlink isn't all that interesting right now, but at some point I need to come up with a weatherproof mount for the electronics. There are relatively long periods between data, so checking it when I bring it in for the night is adequate. They have a fairly active support forum, and there are reports/conjecture that the LNA may be a bit sensitive to ESD. I found these a useful source of azimuth and elevation information: http://www.csgnetwork.com/geosatposcalc.html http://www.csgnetwork.com/antennasatelazposcalc.html The US satellite is at 98W. Thanks for the suggestion for a mount. Turns out I had one on the shelf, and it gives me exactly the right tilt. 73s, Alan WA4SCA From vk4tec at tech-software.net Sun Oct 16 06:22:20 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:22:20 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: <000001d22774$8b943040$a2bc90c0$@GMAIL.COM> References: <000001d22774$8b943040$a2bc90c0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: Our bird is very strong lots of signals here in Australia I was amazed what a difference the AMP made. I just need to decode now Beamwidth about 45 degrees Andrew > On 16 Oct. 2016, at 4:14 pm, Alan wrote: > > Mike, > > I got their kit, being in a hurry, and have been running it on the front deck with a battery pack. It > has a clear shot at the satellite, and I see SNR of 8-10 or so. The downlink isn't all that > interesting right now, but at some point I need to come up with a weatherproof mount for the > electronics. There are relatively long periods between data, so checking it when I bring it in for the > night is adequate. They have a fairly active support forum, and there are reports/conjecture that the > LNA may be a bit sensitive to ESD. > > I found these a useful source of azimuth and elevation information: > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/geosatposcalc.html > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/antennasatelazposcalc.html > > The US satellite is at 98W. > > Thanks for the suggestion for a mount. Turns out I had one on the shelf, and it gives me exactly the > right tilt. > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From art.ballentine at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 06:37:10 2016 From: art.ballentine at gmail.com (Franklyn A. Ballentine, Jr) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 06:37:10 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: References: <000001d22774$8b943040$a2bc90c0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: Hi All, Been meaning to try it. Hopefully this week when I'm off from work. Can't wait to see what this project does. 73 Frank kb1qzh On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:22 AM Andrew Rich wrote: > Our bird is very strong lots of signals here in Australia > > I was amazed what a difference the AMP made. > > I just need to decode now > > Beamwidth about 45 degrees > > Andrew > > > > On 16 Oct. 2016, at 4:14 pm, Alan wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > I got their kit, being in a hurry, and have been running it on the front > deck with a battery pack. It > > has a clear shot at the satellite, and I see SNR of 8-10 or so. The > downlink isn't all that > > interesting right now, but at some point I need to come up with a > weatherproof mount for the > > electronics. There are relatively long periods between data, so checking > it when I bring it in for the > > night is adequate. They have a fairly active support forum, and there > are reports/conjecture that the > > LNA may be a bit sensitive to ESD. > > > > I found these a useful source of azimuth and elevation information: > > > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/geosatposcalc.html > > > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/antennasatelazposcalc.html > > > > The US satellite is at 98W. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion for a mount. Turns out I had one on the shelf, > and it gives me exactly the > > right tilt. > > > > 73s, > > > > Alan > > WA4SCA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From vk4tec at tech-software.net Sun Oct 16 07:11:08 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:11:08 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: References: <000001d22774$8b943040$a2bc90c0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <1991FA41-1276-4CA2-A4D5-67DF96D948B5@tech-software.net> Feel like a kid again Andrew ----------------------------- Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e vk4tec at tech-software.net w www.tech-software.net m 0419 738 223 > On 16 Oct. 2016, at 16:37, Franklyn A. Ballentine, Jr wrote: > > Hi All, > > Been meaning to try it. > Hopefully this week when I'm off from work. > > Can't wait to see what this project does. > > 73 > Frank > kb1qzh > >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:22 AM Andrew Rich wrote: >> Our bird is very strong lots of signals here in Australia >> >> I was amazed what a difference the AMP made. >> >> I just need to decode now >> >> Beamwidth about 45 degrees >> >> Andrew >> >> >> > On 16 Oct. 2016, at 4:14 pm, Alan wrote: >> > >> > Mike, >> > >> > I got their kit, being in a hurry, and have been running it on the front deck with a battery pack. It >> > has a clear shot at the satellite, and I see SNR of 8-10 or so. The downlink isn't all that >> > interesting right now, but at some point I need to come up with a weatherproof mount for the >> > electronics. There are relatively long periods between data, so checking it when I bring it in for the >> > night is adequate. They have a fairly active support forum, and there are reports/conjecture that the >> > LNA may be a bit sensitive to ESD. >> > >> > I found these a useful source of azimuth and elevation information: >> > >> > http://www.csgnetwork.com/geosatposcalc.html >> > >> > http://www.csgnetwork.com/antennasatelazposcalc.html >> > >> > The US satellite is at 98W. >> > >> > Thanks for the suggestion for a mount. Turns out I had one on the shelf, and it gives me exactly the >> > right tilt. >> > >> > 73s, >> > >> > Alan >> > WA4SCA >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From quadpugh at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 16 09:13:07 2016 From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 04:13:07 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] help labjack and satpc32 Message-ID: <006101d2278d$82cd72a0$886857e0$@bellsouth.net> I am moving satpc32 to a windows 10 operating system. I have a very old Labjack and when I open satpc32 i get an error missing labjack.ddl file any suggestions tnx 73's nick From richard.siff at verizon.net Sun Oct 16 10:10:05 2016 From: richard.siff at verizon.net (Rich/wa4bue) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 06:10:05 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] K4AMG LVB Tracker In-Reply-To: <006101d2278d$82cd72a0$886857e0$@bellsouth.net> References: <006101d2278d$82cd72a0$886857e0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <560D679CEE164A74B8BA1D2AD50870C9@BanjoPC> Yesterday at the an event we were operating a GOTA operation, it appears our LVB Tracker about 4 - 5 years old failed on the rotor side. The numbers that correspond to the 5500 rotor did not track and the elevation rotor did not respond. The Azimuth rotor responded. The 5500 rotor worked great manually. We did a test run 3 days before and all was well. Anyone experience this problem???? God Bless Rich W4BUE Founder K4AMG K4AMG.org From wa4sca at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 10:50:11 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 05:50:11 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] help LabJack and SatPC32 Message-ID: <000201d2279b$11cfa240$356ee6c0$@GMAIL.COM> Nick, 64-bit? I got this from Erich recently: ==== Hi Alan, I have just tested the U12 at my Windows 10, 64-bit, Acer Laptop. It works flawlessly at a USB 2 and USB 3 port. I had only to copy the ljackuw.dll from my Windows 7 PC into the C:\Windows\SYSWOW64 folder. The U12 is an excellent device. You don't need to care about drivers because it uses the Windows own HID drivers. 73s, Erich, DK1TB === 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- References: Message-ID: <000001d227ab$a6c317a0$f44946e0$@GMAIL.COM> Scott, I moved the patch inside to a much less optimum location. It looks through my thermopane glass past a post, and some leafy trees. SNR dropped to 2-3, and I am now seeing some packet loss. However, data is still flowing as before. One thing to try is rotating the patch antenna 90 degrees. I see a solid, reproducible 0.7 dB difference, which matters with suboptimal locations. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- patch antenna: 2's with an occasional 3 < <> TP-link 2.4GHz wi-fi dish: 6 to 8 < <> 1m dish w/ helical feed: 11 to 12 < References: <006101d2278d$82cd72a0$886857e0$@bellsouth.net> <560D679CEE164A74B8BA1D2AD50870C9@BanjoPC> <1AB76C2E64EA4A79A31E4C99A2BFC90B@kb2m4PC> Message-ID: Thank you Jeff Hope you visit our home page K4AMG.org. a dummy, I did not bring the equipment manuals to the event. The schematic gives the identifier for "U 1" but does not tell me what "Q1 -Q4" are nor does it give "R & C" values. The station is stored at another location so I do not have the box to open and view. We were operating solar power. We will try that. Thanks Rich W4BUE -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:34 AM To: Rich/wa4bue Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] K4AMG LVB Tracker Hi Rich, Did you try to recalibrate? I used to have a problem with my LVBT up in NJ losing calibration all the time. I contacted AMSAT and they sent me a new F/W chip, this resolved the problem... 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Rich/wa4bue Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:10 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] K4AMG LVB Tracker Yesterday at the an event we were operating a GOTA operation, it appears our LVB Tracker about 4 - 5 years old failed on the rotor side. The numbers that correspond to the 5500 rotor did not track and the elevation rotor did not respond. The Azimuth rotor responded. The 5500 rotor worked great manually. We did a test run 3 days before and all was well. Anyone experience this problem???? God Bless Rich W4BUE Founder K4AMG K4AMG.org _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From hartzell at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 14:52:02 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 08:52:02 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: <000001d227ab$a6c317a0$f44946e0$@GMAIL.COM> References: <000001d227ab$a6c317a0$f44946e0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: Interesting stuff. I should get a station up today... So, a question to the group: what is the main area of interest? APRS? Weather info? General Interest? tinkering? On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Alan wrote: > Scott, > > I moved the patch inside to a much less optimum location. It looks > through my thermopane glass past a > post, and some leafy trees. SNR dropped to 2-3, and I am now seeing some > packet loss. However, data > is still flowing as before. One thing to try is rotating the patch > antenna 90 degrees. I see a > solid, reproducible 0.7 dB difference, which matters with suboptimal > locations. > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > <-----Original Message----- > < > < > < > <> patch antenna: 2's with an occasional 3 > < > <> TP-link 2.4GHz wi-fi dish: 6 to 8 > < > <> 1m dish w/ helical feed: 11 to 12 > < > < > <-Scott, K4KDR > < > < > <============================================================== > < > <-----Original Message----- > < > < > < > possibly > < > < > screen > < > < > < > <_______________________________________________ > Opinions expressed > AMSAT-NA. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 16 16:00:16 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:00:16 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SATpc32 parking frequency? Message-ID: <5803A410.5080900@cfl.rr.com> Has any one tried setting up SATpc32 to have a parking/return frequency when there's no satellite in range? I know that if you manually turn off the radio sat mode, that the rig (in this case my IC-910) will return to the frequencies it was tuned to before activating SATpc32. I would like to fake a satellite that is always in range with low priority or find a way that when satellite passes are done and waiting on new passes, that SATpc32 would return to the frequencies it was on before activating the program. Anyone done this? Reid, W4UPD Amsat: 17002 From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net Sun Oct 16 16:25:06 2016 From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:25:06 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK NPOTA stops today Message-ID: Hi! I am currently at the Point Reyes National Seashore, north of San Francisco in CM88oa. This is NPOTA site SS10, and I will work the next SO-50 pass at 1713 UTC here. If I make enough QSOs for an official NPOTA activation, I will return to San Francisco for the 3-NPOTA site at Fort Point, on the south end of the Golden Gate Bridge (NS22, RC11, TR13) before leaving the Bay Area. Watch my APRS track http://aprs.fi/WD9EWK-9 and my Twitter feed http://twitter.com/WD9EWK for my location and updates during the day. Will try any available passes, FM and SSB, to make these activations. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK From wa4sca at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 17:35:12 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:35:12 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? Message-ID: <000001d227d3$a697e1c0$f3c7a540$@GMAIL.COM> Reid, You could fake up a geostationary satellite. Theoretically the Doppler shift would be zero. Practically, very close to zero, depending on how good your tweaking is. If you placed it below your horizon, say on the other side of the earth, the antennas would point at the desired parking position between passes. The rig would remain in satellite mode however, but maybe that is enough? 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- Hi all, I posted this with screen shots and perhaps it was rejected because of that, so will try posting with plain text only: I've been off the air for some years and am trying to slowly bring myself back. I since upgraded my old shack PC from WinXP to Win 7 and most of my programs work, but I had to replace ARSWIN with ARSVCOM (I am using Pablo's EA4TX ARS RCI-SE LPT board with my Yaesu AZ-ELE rotor) I installed the newest version of ARSVCOM and it works great controlling my RCI-SE board with a new SIIG LPT board. I also re-installed SatPC32 and it works fine too. ARSVCOM creates a virtual port and it appears properly in the device manager. I read the following FAQ: http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=103053.0 And ran the SDX program for SatPC32 and configured the SDX utility it to COM9. And when I run "Read Pos", it reads the proper position from the ARS RCI board. In SatPC32, I configured the Setup -> Rotor Setup to Yaesu_GS-232 and "search" for ARSVCOM so it starts on SatPC32 startup and stored the configs and restarted. But SatPC32 still does not talk to ARSVCOM when I hit R+ or when I manually park or position, it does not send the command to ARS board, any ideas what could be wrong? Michael K3MH From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 16 19:07:24 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:07:24 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? In-Reply-To: <000001d227d3$a697e1c0$f3c7a540$@GMAIL.COM> References: <000001d227d3$a697e1c0$f3c7a540$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <5803CFEC.7000509@cfl.rr.com> It's a thought. I don't mind the sat mode as long as the idle frequencies and modes are the ones (2 meter and 70cm) are the ones I want to continue to monitor when not tracking an active satellite. I believe SATpc does allow prioritizing the satellites in the SQF files, so that could work making the fake geo bird a lower priority. WISP32 use to allow you to do this and use a priority number. However, using SATpc to control the rig now. Still use WISP32 for a fast check on in range satellites. However, it goes flaky on Windows 10 64-bit sometimes and I have to renter at least one satellite and the rest show back up. It appears to be how the new registry is used by WISP32. Will experiment some and see what I come up with. Reid, W4UPD Amsat: 17002 On 10/16/2016 1:35 PM, Alan wrote: > Reid, > > You could fake up a geostationary satellite. Theoretically the Doppler shift would be zero. > Practically, very close to zero, depending on how good your tweaking is. > > If you placed it below your horizon, say on the other side of the earth, the antennas would point at > the desired parking position between passes. The rig would remain in satellite mode however, but maybe > that is enough? > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > <-----Original Message----- > > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <_______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From k8bl at ameritech.net Mon Oct 17 02:07:49 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C LoTW? References: <181994804.883496.1476670069162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <181994804.883496.1476670069162@mail.yahoo.com> The following was found on the latest Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin. Perhaps, the missing QSOs are the ones from SAT QSOs that had "issues" with their logging software. DE... ?Bob ?K8BL CY9C ST. PAUL ISLAND DXPEDITION (Press Release/QSL Status). Randy, N0TG, sent the following press release [edited]: QSL cards have been sent to the printer. We estimate to start sending cards in next 3 - 4 weeks. LoTW has been uploaded. Unfortunately, and mysteriously some data did not upload to LoTW. We will investigate that and see what can be done after we get finished with the distribution of QSL cards direct and Bureau. From aayushyadav825 at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 10:27:44 2016 From: aayushyadav825 at gmail.com (Aayush Yadav) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:57:44 +0530 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <479663765.533929.1473274174846@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, Hope you all are doing good. When we were tracking Pratham today, we heard a faint signal. The signal might have been weak possible because of the low elevation of the pass. So we have a hope that the satellite might be active again. Will it be possible for you to try tracking Pratham today? Thanks, Team Pratham On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Scott wrote: > I had good elevation this morning (65?) at 14:52 UTC on the East Coast of > the US but unfortunately nothing was heard on 145.980. > > -Scott, K4KDR > > > > ==================== > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Aayush Yadav > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > Pratham has been identified as object 41783, 2016-059A. However we have > not > > been able to track the satellite with these TLE's. If you could please > > track the satellite with these TLE's and confirm with us it would be > really > > appreciable. Thank you. > > > > Kind regards. > > Team Pratham! > > > > On Sunday 25 September 2016, Aayush Yadav > > wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > We are glad to inform you that Pratham, IITB's Student Satellite is > > > expected to launch with the help of PSLV-C35 on 26th September, 2016 at > > > 9:12 AM. > > > ?? > > > The following are the TLE data for the satellite: > > > > > > 16005A 16270.25119097 0.00000311 00000-0 59418-4 > 0 > > > 1232 > > > 98.2057 329.0542 0028038 267.7677 9.1998 14.63716875 11 > > > > > > Any update in these will be notified at the earliest. We would love you > > > all to be a part of the project and help us in tracking our satellite. > > > There are basically two downlink for the satellite, The beacon is > > > estimated to switch on in the window of 25-30 degrees North and 4-8 > > degrees > > > East as per the current TLE's. Once switched on, it will remain so > > through > > > out it's orbit. The telemetry data will be switched on only over France > > and > > > India because of our power constraints. If you could, please receive > the > > > beacon and/or telemetry of the satellite and report back to the mail > id's > > > as given below. The information for the satellite transmissions is > given > > > below, > > > > > > Beacon: > > > Frequency: 145.98 MHz > > > Modulation: CW > > > Words per minute: 30 > > > Power Emitted: 0.2 W (23 dBm) > > > > > > Telemetry: > > > To be switched on only over India and France > > > Modulation: FSK > > > Rate: 1200 bps > > > Power Emitted: 0.06 W (18 dBm) > > > > > > For any other Information you may visit our website > > > . Also feel free to contact our > > > Communication and Ground station team, (Rachana Agarwal, > > > rachna.agrawal.04 at gmail.com > > > ; and > > Aayush > > > Yadav, aayushyadav825 at gmail.com > > > ) for any > > > queries you may have. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Aayush Yadav > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> Thank you for your wishes. > > >> > > >> The FSK downlink contains only the health monitoring data of the > > >> satellite and is used for payload calculations. IPGP university in > > france > > >> requested us for the payload data for their scientific research thus > we > > are > > >> switching on the telemetry only over India and France. > > >> > > >> However the CW beacon will be on through out the orbit and can be > > >> received from anywhere. > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> Team Pratham > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thursday 8 September 2016, Nitin Muttin > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Team Pratham, > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for the update and will look forward for a successful launch > and > > >>> deployment of your satellite. Please share why the FSK downlink on > > 437.455 > > >>> Mhz is activated over France and India. > > >>> > > >>> 73 > > >>> Nitin [VU3TYG] > > >>> Secretary, AMSAT INDIA > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------ > > >>> *From:* Aayush Yadav > > >>> *To:* "amsat-bb at amsat.org" > > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 10:25 PM > > >>> *Subject:* [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite > > >>> > > >>> Greetings everyone, > > >>> > > >>> We, students of IIT Bombay, are glad to inform you that our project, > > >>> Pratham, is ready and expected to launch with PSLV-C35 in the last > week > > >>> of > > >>> September. We would be really happy if you all joined us in > receiving > > >>> our > > >>> satellite's beacon, details given below: > > >>> > > >>> Beacon: > > >>> Mode: CW > > >>> wpm: 35 words > > >>> Frequency: 145.980 MHz > > >>> > > >>> Downlink: > > >>> Mode: FSK > > >>> Baudrate: 1200 bps > > >>> Frequency: 437.455 MHz > > >>> (To be switched on over France and India only) > > >>> > > >>> We will update the information as soon as TLE's will be available. > > >>> > > >>> Kind Regards. > > >>> Team Pratham > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From oh2fqv at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 13:28:00 2016 From: oh2fqv at gmail.com (Jari A) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:28:00 +0300 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <479663765.533929.1473274174846@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: North pass near to Finland, from russia to greenland; No signal. I will try next pass what comes almost directly over me. I will send a message of results. : Jari / OH2FQV On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Aayush Yadav wrote: > Hello everyone, > Hope you all are doing good. When we were tracking Pratham today, we heard > a faint signal. The signal might have been weak possible because of the low > elevation of the pass. So we have a hope that the satellite might be active > again. Will it be possible for you to try tracking Pratham today? > Thanks, > Team Pratham > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Scott wrote: > > > I had good elevation this morning (65?) at 14:52 UTC on the East Coast of > > the US but unfortunately nothing was heard on 145.980. > > > > -Scott, K4KDR > > > > > > > > ==================== > > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Aayush Yadav > > wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Pratham has been identified as object 41783, 2016-059A. However we have > > not > > > been able to track the satellite with these TLE's. If you could please > > > track the satellite with these TLE's and confirm with us it would be > > really > > > appreciable. Thank you. > > > > > > Kind regards. > > > Team Pratham! > > > > > > On Sunday 25 September 2016, Aayush Yadav > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > We are glad to inform you that Pratham, IITB's Student Satellite is > > > > expected to launch with the help of PSLV-C35 on 26th September, 2016 > at > > > > 9:12 AM. > > > > ?? > > > > The following are the TLE data for the satellite: > > > > > > > > 16005A 16270.25119097 0.00000311 00000-0 59418-4 > > 0 > > > > 1232 > > > > 98.2057 329.0542 0028038 267.7677 9.1998 14.63716875 > 11 > > > > > > > > Any update in these will be notified at the earliest. We would love > you > > > > all to be a part of the project and help us in tracking our > satellite. > > > > There are basically two downlink for the satellite, The beacon is > > > > estimated to switch on in the window of 25-30 degrees North and 4-8 > > > degrees > > > > East as per the current TLE's. Once switched on, it will remain so > > > through > > > > out it's orbit. The telemetry data will be switched on only over > France > > > and > > > > India because of our power constraints. If you could, please receive > > the > > > > beacon and/or telemetry of the satellite and report back to the mail > > id's > > > > as given below. The information for the satellite transmissions is > > given > > > > below, > > > > > > > > Beacon: > > > > Frequency: 145.98 MHz > > > > Modulation: CW > > > > Words per minute: 30 > > > > Power Emitted: 0.2 W (23 dBm) > > > > > > > > Telemetry: > > > > To be switched on only over India and France > > > > Modulation: FSK > > > > Rate: 1200 bps > > > > Power Emitted: 0.06 W (18 dBm) > > > > > > > > For any other Information you may visit our website > > > > . Also feel free to contact our > > > > Communication and Ground station team, (Rachana Agarwal, > > > > rachna.agrawal.04 at gmail.com > > > > ; and > > > Aayush > > > > Yadav, aayushyadav825 at gmail.com > > > > ) for any > > > > queries you may have. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Aayush Yadav < > aayushyadav825 at gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello, > > > >> > > > >> Thank you for your wishes. > > > >> > > > >> The FSK downlink contains only the health monitoring data of the > > > >> satellite and is used for payload calculations. IPGP university in > > > france > > > >> requested us for the payload data for their scientific research thus > > we > > > are > > > >> switching on the telemetry only over India and France. > > > >> > > > >> However the CW beacon will be on through out the orbit and can be > > > >> received from anywhere. > > > >> > > > >> Kind regards, > > > >> Team Pratham > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thursday 8 September 2016, Nitin Muttin > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Team Pratham, > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks for the update and will look forward for a successful launch > > and > > > >>> deployment of your satellite. Please share why the FSK downlink on > > > 437.455 > > > >>> Mhz is activated over France and India. > > > >>> > > > >>> 73 > > > >>> Nitin [VU3TYG] > > > >>> Secretary, AMSAT INDIA > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ------------------------------ > > > >>> *From:* Aayush Yadav > > > >>> *To:* "amsat-bb at amsat.org" > > > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 10:25 PM > > > >>> *Subject:* [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite > > > >>> > > > >>> Greetings everyone, > > > >>> > > > >>> We, students of IIT Bombay, are glad to inform you that our > project, > > > >>> Pratham, is ready and expected to launch with PSLV-C35 in the last > > week > > > >>> of > > > >>> September. We would be really happy if you all joined us in > > receiving > > > >>> our > > > >>> satellite's beacon, details given below: > > > >>> > > > >>> Beacon: > > > >>> Mode: CW > > > >>> wpm: 35 words > > > >>> Frequency: 145.980 MHz > > > >>> > > > >>> Downlink: > > > >>> Mode: FSK > > > >>> Baudrate: 1200 bps > > > >>> Frequency: 437.455 MHz > > > >>> (To be switched on over France and India only) > > > >>> > > > >>> We will update the information as soon as TLE's will be available. > > > >>> > > > >>> Kind Regards. > > > >>> Team Pratham > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From zleffke at vt.edu Mon Oct 17 15:35:38 2016 From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:35:38 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? Message-ID: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> Hello all, This might be slightly off topic, but I'm betting someone on this list can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for ways to track spacecraft that are not in Earth Orbit (NEO?...did I just invent another acronym?...probably not.). I'm trying to figure out ways to track man made space vehicles sent to places like the Moon, Mars, the Lagrange Points, and beyond. As I understand it, TLEs + SGP4 are not the appropriate model for things not in the vicinity of Earth. I'm hoping to find a similar technique though for looking up current orbital parameters for the Non-Earth satellites (like pulling TLEs from celestrak) in some kind of database that contains current elements for the spacecraft (NASA servers somewhere?), and then compute pointing angles from a location on earth so I can figure when and where to point an antenna to receive signals from these spacecraft. I believe this may be relevant to those on this list that might be interested in tracking the Cube Quest Challenge amateur radio cubesat that will be sent to the moon in the near future. After the trans-lunar injection burn, the cubesat will be ejected from the deployer. I'd like to be able to track this satellite as it travels to the moon, and potentially help receive data from the bird's 10 GHz Downlink. But.......where do I point my antenna and when? For spacecraft that are already orbiting the Moon, OK, easy enough. Unless the antenna has a very narrow beamwidth, I can use any 'ole EME tracking package to point my antenna 'at the moon' and with the beamwidths I'm working with, the satellite is probably in the main beam. But what about the initial journey to the moon? Also, for the CQC, the cubesat will not immediately enter Lunar orbit (that is where the 'Challenge' part comes in). So simply pointing at the Moon may not work reliably. To get a little more detail......but hopefully not too much...... I like using a python module called 'pyephem' for all (well...most) things related to antenna pointing. This handy module works well with TLE formats for Earth orbiters, contains a built in database for objects in the solar system, and a decent number of 'fixed' celestial objects like stars. It has the ability to import new objects in the 'Xephem' format, for things like comets and other bodies. If possible I'd like to use this feature to track other space probes like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, various Mars missions, Satellites at Lagrange Points (ACE/DISCOVR), etc. etc. Does anyone on the list have experience with this type of thing that they might be willing to share? I believe folks from AMSAT-DL participated in the ISEE-3 reboot mission, so how did they know when and where to point the Bochum antenna for this? Again, I'm looking for a technique that hopefully involves downloading current 'orbital parameters' of some standard format type (Like TLEs from celestrak, but for non Earth Orbiters) and then importing those parameters into pyephem (by possibly converting whatever gets downloaded into the 'Xephem' format?) in order to integrate this kind of capability into my current, python-based, tracking software. Does anyone know of any publicly available databases that store current orbital or tracking data for non-earth orbiting spacecraft? Any tutorials out there about the algorithms used to compute deep space spacecraft position from the orbital elements and thus the pointing angles (Like SGP4 + coordinate system math, but for non-earth orbiters)? Any software libraries anyone is familiar with for this (I prefer python, but am open to other languages)? Any and all advice, thoughts, info, papers, links, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Zach, KJ4QLP -- Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 15:47:23 2016 From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:47:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Pratham: IITB Student Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <479663765.533929.1473274174846@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5804f281.5d856b0a.6745e.11c2@mx.google.com> > North pass near to Finland, from russia to greenland; No signal. No signal on 145.980 on 33 degree elevation pass near Chicago. -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm at amsat.org From hamsat at xs4all.nl Mon Oct 17 21:08:26 2016 From: hamsat at xs4all.nl (Nico Janssen) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:08:26 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> Message-ID: Zach, Good questions. In the near future deep space tracking will become vital for radio amateurs. So we should prepare for that. There are no simple solutions. But it may be helpful to start studying the JPL HORIZONS system: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?horizons Tracking information on a number of deep space missions is provided by this system, e.g. Cassini, DSCOVR, Juno, LRO, MRO and the Voyagers. 73, Nico PA0DLO On 17-10-16 17:35, Zach Leffke wrote: > Hello all, > > This might be slightly off topic, but I'm betting someone on this > list can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for ways to > track spacecraft that are not in Earth Orbit (NEO?...did I just invent > another acronym?...probably not.). I'm trying to figure out ways to > track man made space vehicles sent to places like the Moon, Mars, the > Lagrange Points, and beyond. As I understand it, TLEs + SGP4 are not > the appropriate model for things not in the vicinity of Earth. I'm > hoping to find a similar technique though for looking up current > orbital parameters for the Non-Earth satellites (like pulling TLEs > from celestrak) in some kind of database that contains current > elements for the spacecraft (NASA servers somewhere?), and then > compute pointing angles from a location on earth so I can figure when > and where to point an antenna to receive signals from these spacecraft. > > I believe this may be relevant to those on this list that might be > interested in tracking the Cube Quest Challenge amateur radio cubesat > that will be sent to the moon in the near future. After the > trans-lunar injection burn, the cubesat will be ejected from the > deployer. I'd like to be able to track this satellite as it travels > to the moon, and potentially help receive data from the bird's 10 GHz > Downlink. But.......where do I point my antenna and when? > > For spacecraft that are already orbiting the Moon, OK, easy enough. > Unless the antenna has a very narrow beamwidth, I can use any 'ole EME > tracking package to point my antenna 'at the moon' and with the > beamwidths I'm working with, the satellite is probably in the main > beam. But what about the initial journey to the moon? Also, for the > CQC, the cubesat will not immediately enter Lunar orbit (that is where > the 'Challenge' part comes in). So simply pointing at the Moon may not > work reliably. > > To get a little more detail......but hopefully not too much...... > > I like using a python module called 'pyephem' for all (well...most) > things related to antenna pointing. This handy module works well with > TLE formats for Earth orbiters, contains a built in database for > objects in the solar system, and a decent number of 'fixed' celestial > objects like stars. It has the ability to import new objects in the > 'Xephem' format, for things like comets and other bodies. If possible > I'd like to use this feature to track other space probes like the > Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, various Mars missions, Satellites at > Lagrange Points (ACE/DISCOVR), etc. etc. > > Does anyone on the list have experience with this type of thing that > they might be willing to share? I believe folks from AMSAT-DL > participated in the ISEE-3 reboot mission, so how did they know when > and where to point the Bochum antenna for this? Again, I'm looking for > a technique that hopefully involves downloading current 'orbital > parameters' of some standard format type (Like TLEs from celestrak, > but for non Earth Orbiters) and then importing those parameters into > pyephem (by possibly converting whatever gets downloaded into the > 'Xephem' format?) in order to integrate this kind of capability into > my current, python-based, tracking software. Does anyone know of any > publicly available databases that store current orbital or tracking > data for non-earth orbiting spacecraft? Any tutorials out there about > the algorithms used to compute deep space spacecraft position from the > orbital elements and thus the pointing angles (Like SGP4 + coordinate > system math, but for non-earth orbiters)? Any software libraries > anyone is familiar with for this (I prefer python, but am open to > other languages)? > > > Any and all advice, thoughts, info, papers, links, etc. would be > greatly appreciated. > > > Sincerely, > > Zach, KJ4QLP > From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 21:31:17 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:31:17 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] 2301z SO50 Oct. 17 Message-ID: Here in FL41cu after a long day of travel. Will try to fit in pass of SO50 if weather allows. See you on more birds 10/20, but try to fit in a few passes before.... 73, Jay AA4FL -- Dr. Jay H. Garlitz, AA4FL -President/CEO Connected World Internet Ventures, In. -President-Elect, Medical Amateur Radio Council, *www.marco-ltd.org * -Courtesy Clinical Assoc. Professor, UF Dentistry, Dpt. Community Dentistry -FCC Trustee, W4DFU at Univ. of Florida, since 2005, www.gatorradio.org. The Club Station of the Gator Amateur Radio Club, at UF since 1934 -member 2013 T33A Banaba Island Dxpedition, Central Pacific, www.t33a.com -other past personal calls 3D2FL (Fiji), T30FL (Tarawa), T33FL (Banaba), From olsonda1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 20:58:54 2016 From: olsonda1 at yahoo.com (Donald Olson) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 crashes References: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> Running XP with SatPC32 and the program does exactly what it is supposed to do with my IC-9100 and my Yaesu5 500 rotator. However when I am finished for the day and go to close it, it tells me "Access Denied."? And then I have to reboot the machine to shut it down.? What a nuisance.? I have tried running the program in Administrator mode, no help.? I have tried closing it through Task Manager...same message, "Access Denied." Anyone solved this problem? I am getting close to making my first contact.? But the pileups are dense and cannot get back more than my call sign.? No QSO yet. Don Olson WA5W From glasbrenner at mindspring.com Mon Oct 17 22:09:32 2016 From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:09:32 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 crashes In-Reply-To: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> References: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Off the cuff, are you running another program at the same time that is accessing the same com ports? I get this error occasionally in that scenario. 73, Drew KO4MA > On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Donald Olson via AMSAT-BB wrote: > > Running XP with SatPC32 and the program does exactly what it is supposed to do with my IC-9100 and my Yaesu5 500 rotator. > However when I am finished for the day and go to close it, it tells me "Access Denied." And then I have to reboot the machine to shut it down. What a nuisance. I have tried running the program in Administrator mode, no help. I have tried closing it through Task Manager...same message, "Access Denied." > Anyone solved this problem? > I am getting close to making my first contact. But the pileups are dense and cannot get back more than my call sign. No QSO yet. > > Don Olson WA5W > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From zleffke at vt.edu Mon Oct 17 22:24:08 2016 From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:24:08 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for the response Nico. Pete, WA6WOA, also recommend I take a look at the Horizons system as well. I gave it a quick once over, and actually logged into the telnet interface and played around a bit. It definitely looks like the type of thing I'm looking for. Next step for me is to learn the API and figure out how to integrate with my existing Python tools. Also, changing how I think about satellite orbits and tracking algorithms is also probably a requirement for me (I'm an EE type, not an AOE type, so probably time to learn a little more about how these tracking algorithms actually work). Not being familiar with the system yet (or deep space tracking in general), my only concern at the moment is the frequency with which they update the system. TLEs get updated pretty regularly and need to be refreshed by the client software. My cursory examination of the HORIZONS system seems to indicate that they give ephemerides that cover much longer windows, possibly indicating that they don't update the data as frequently? Hopefully there is something about Deep Space tracking that is different, not requiring such frequent updates. I have a sense that I'm not thinking about 'scale' correctly yet. Like maybe these objects are so far out, that errors that might creep into the SGP4+TLE algorithms relatively quickly (requiring the weekly or bi-weekly updates) take a lot longer to creep up and matter with the deep space trajectories. My concern here is primarily related to the Cube Quest Challenge stuff. I think this is being launched as part of the Orion mission to the Moon in the next couple years. Can we expect ephemeris data to be quickly added to the HORIZONS system soon after launch and after the TLI burn for the Orion mission? Maybe I'm just wrong about how frequently they update the info. Since this system is being run by JPL, I'm assuming (maybe hoping?) that the datasets on HORIZONS get updated every time they conduct ranging operations on active missions with the DSN (kind of like TLEs get updated every time NORAD does RADAR tracking for things closer in)? Hopefully, this will then include the Orion Mission relatively quickly so that the community can quickly pull the tracking data required to compute pointing angles for their ground stations to monitor the CQC bird. Thanks for the pointers folks. In only a few emails, I've got some great stuff to look into, and a whole new area to look into and learn about! Fun stuff! Keep them coming! Thanks, Zach, KJ4QLP Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 On 10/17/2016 5:08 PM, Nico Janssen wrote: > Zach, > > Good questions. In the near future deep space tracking will become vital > for radio amateurs. So we should prepare for that. > > There are no simple solutions. But it may be helpful to start studying > the > JPL HORIZONS system: > http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?horizons > > Tracking information on a number of deep space missions is provided by > this system, e.g. Cassini, DSCOVR, Juno, LRO, MRO and the Voyagers. > > 73, > Nico PA0DLO > > > On 17-10-16 17:35, Zach Leffke wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> This might be slightly off topic, but I'm betting someone on this >> list can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for ways to >> track spacecraft that are not in Earth Orbit (NEO?...did I just >> invent another acronym?...probably not.). I'm trying to figure out >> ways to track man made space vehicles sent to places like the Moon, >> Mars, the Lagrange Points, and beyond. As I understand it, TLEs + >> SGP4 are not the appropriate model for things not in the vicinity of >> Earth. I'm hoping to find a similar technique though for looking up >> current orbital parameters for the Non-Earth satellites (like pulling >> TLEs from celestrak) in some kind of database that contains current >> elements for the spacecraft (NASA servers somewhere?), and then >> compute pointing angles from a location on earth so I can figure when >> and where to point an antenna to receive signals from these spacecraft. >> >> I believe this may be relevant to those on this list that might be >> interested in tracking the Cube Quest Challenge amateur radio cubesat >> that will be sent to the moon in the near future. After the >> trans-lunar injection burn, the cubesat will be ejected from the >> deployer. I'd like to be able to track this satellite as it travels >> to the moon, and potentially help receive data from the bird's 10 GHz >> Downlink. But.......where do I point my antenna and when? >> >> For spacecraft that are already orbiting the Moon, OK, easy enough. >> Unless the antenna has a very narrow beamwidth, I can use any 'ole >> EME tracking package to point my antenna 'at the moon' and with the >> beamwidths I'm working with, the satellite is probably in the main >> beam. But what about the initial journey to the moon? Also, for the >> CQC, the cubesat will not immediately enter Lunar orbit (that is >> where the 'Challenge' part comes in). So simply pointing at the Moon >> may not work reliably. >> >> To get a little more detail......but hopefully not too much...... >> >> I like using a python module called 'pyephem' for all (well...most) >> things related to antenna pointing. This handy module works well >> with TLE formats for Earth orbiters, contains a built in database for >> objects in the solar system, and a decent number of 'fixed' celestial >> objects like stars. It has the ability to import new objects in the >> 'Xephem' format, for things like comets and other bodies. If >> possible I'd like to use this feature to track other space probes >> like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, various Mars missions, >> Satellites at Lagrange Points (ACE/DISCOVR), etc. etc. >> >> Does anyone on the list have experience with this type of thing that >> they might be willing to share? I believe folks from AMSAT-DL >> participated in the ISEE-3 reboot mission, so how did they know when >> and where to point the Bochum antenna for this? Again, I'm looking >> for a technique that hopefully involves downloading current 'orbital >> parameters' of some standard format type (Like TLEs from celestrak, >> but for non Earth Orbiters) and then importing those parameters into >> pyephem (by possibly converting whatever gets downloaded into the >> 'Xephem' format?) in order to integrate this kind of capability into >> my current, python-based, tracking software. Does anyone know of any >> publicly available databases that store current orbital or tracking >> data for non-earth orbiting spacecraft? Any tutorials out there >> about the algorithms used to compute deep space spacecraft position >> from the orbital elements and thus the pointing angles (Like SGP4 + >> coordinate system math, but for non-earth orbiters)? Any software >> libraries anyone is familiar with for this (I prefer python, but am >> open to other languages)? >> >> >> Any and all advice, thoughts, info, papers, links, etc. would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Zach, KJ4QLP >> > From kb1pvh at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 22:29:53 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:29:53 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 crashes In-Reply-To: References: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had it happen recently on a laptop when it goes to sleep with it running. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 On Oct 17, 2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Glasbrenner" wrote: > Off the cuff, are you running another program at the same time that is > accessing the same com ports? I get this error occasionally in that > scenario. > > 73, Drew KO4MA > > > On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Donald Olson via AMSAT-BB < > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote: > > > > Running XP with SatPC32 and the program does exactly what it is supposed > to do with my IC-9100 and my Yaesu5 500 rotator. > > However when I am finished for the day and go to close it, it tells me > "Access Denied." And then I have to reboot the machine to shut it down. > What a nuisance. I have tried running the program in Administrator mode, > no help. I have tried closing it through Task Manager...same message, > "Access Denied." > > Anyone solved this problem? > > I am getting close to making my first contact. But the pileups are > dense and cannot get back more than my call sign. No QSO yet. > > > > Don Olson WA5W > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From wa6fwf at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 22:38:17 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:38:17 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 crashes In-Reply-To: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> References: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have seen this before, the USB port has glitched, you can cause this by static or RF or a funky USB cable, anything that causes windows to recycle the port. Never ran my 9100 on XP, but I can tell you I have seen this on 7 and 8.1,but with 8.1 you get a better audio driver that is not over-driven and you get a task manager than can close satpc32 without rebooting. 73 wa6fwf kevin On 10/17/2016 1:58 PM, Donald Olson via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Running XP with SatPC32 and the program does exactly what it is supposed to do with my IC-9100 and my Yaesu5 500 rotator. > However when I am finished for the day and go to close it, it tells me "Access Denied." And then I have to reboot the machine to shut it down. What a nuisance. I have tried running the program in Administrator mode, no help. I have tried closing it through Task Manager...same message, "Access Denied." > Anyone solved this problem? > I am getting close to making my first contact. But the pileups are dense and cannot get back more than my call sign. No QSO yet. > > Don Olson WA5W > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From my.callsign at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 00:03:02 2016 From: my.callsign at verizon.net (KO6TZ Bob) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:03:02 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 crashes In-Reply-To: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> References: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don, Try closing the SatPC32 program first, then turn off the rotor and radio. Some how I remember that from the past. BOB KO6TZ From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 00:21:16 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:21:16 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] VP5/AA4FL clublog Message-ID: Data is being uploaded. Most recent qso's are on my QRZ.com VP5/AA4FL page. 73, Jay AA4FL -- Dr. Jay H. Garlitz, AA4FL -President/CEO Connected World Internet Ventures, In. -President-Elect, Medical Amateur Radio Council, *www.marco-ltd.org * -Courtesy Clinical Assoc. Professor, UF Dentistry, Dpt. Community Dentistry -FCC Trustee, W4DFU at Univ. of Florida, since 2005, www.gatorradio.org. The Club Station of the Gator Amateur Radio Club, at UF since 1934 -member 2013 T33A Banaba Island Dxpedition, Central Pacific, www.t33a.com -other past personal calls 3D2FL (Fiji), T30FL (Tarawa), T33FL (Banaba), From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 02:25:03 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:25:03 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] VP5/AA4FL Photos Message-ID: Have posted some photos on my Facebook page. Gives you an idea of where your satellite contacts are coming from Oct 20-28. Feel free to friend me to see them. 73, Jay AA4FL -- Dr. Jay H. Garlitz, AA4FL -President/CEO Connected World Internet Ventures, In. -President-Elect, Medical Amateur Radio Council, *www.marco-ltd.org * -Courtesy Clinical Assoc. Professor, UF Dentistry, Dpt. Community Dentistry -FCC Trustee, W4DFU at Univ. of Florida, since 2005, www.gatorradio.org. The Club Station of the Gator Amateur Radio Club, at UF since 1934 -member 2013 T33A Banaba Island Dxpedition, Central Pacific, www.t33a.com -other past personal calls 3D2FL (Fiji), T30FL (Tarawa), T33FL (Banaba), From erich.eichmann at t-online.de Tue Oct 18 06:13:57 2016 From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 08:13:57 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 crashes In-Reply-To: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> References: <83987457.1557891.1476737934642.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <83987457.1557891.1476737934642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91cf1c4a-3094-f9f1-00c5-28f97f2f8f7d@t-online.de> Don, the problem is caused by the built-in USB-to-Serial adapter of the IC-9100 in front of the CI-V interface of the radio. CAT control of the IC-9100 works completely flawlessly (like it does with the IC-910H) if you connect the radio via it's traditional CI-V jacket instead via one of the USB ports. The built-in USB-to-Serial adapter in front of the CI-V CAT interface is fed by the radio and not by the PC like external adapters. So, if you switch off the radio while CAT control is still working you have the same situation as if you unplug an external USB-to-Serial adapter while data exchange is running. I don't have an IC-9100 at present. I loaned one for 4 months when I programmed the routines for the radio. I observed also the error. When I switched off the radio first (while CAT control was running) I got the repeated message : ?Internal error retrieving device control block for the port?. I have mentioned that in the FAQs file (fig. 5 o). I tried to trap the error. The error routine should switch off CAT control (C-) to prevent a crash, if I remember correctly, but I don't know now how reliably it works. So, as Bob, KO6TZ, wrote: switch off the program first or disable CAT control (C-) before you switch off the radio. . I steered the radio also via the CI-V jacket using a CAT cable (= USB-to-Serial adapter + interface for level conversion) and also used an external USB-to-Serial adapter + my Icom CAT interface. That works absolutely lawlessly because the adapter is fed by the PC and remains fed when you switch off the radio. 73s, Erich, DK1TB Am 17.10.2016 um 22:58 schrieb Donald Olson via AMSAT-BB: > Running XP with SatPC32 and the program does exactly what it is supposed to do with my IC-9100 and my Yaesu5 500 rotator. > However when I am finished for the day and go to close it, it tells me "Access Denied." And then I have to reboot the machine to shut it down. What a nuisance. I have tried running the program in Administrator mode, no help. I have tried closing it through Task Manager...same message, "Access Denied." > Anyone solved this problem? > I am getting close to making my first contact. But the pileups are dense and cannot get back more than my call sign. No QSO yet. > > Don Olson WA5W > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From AJ9N at aol.com Tue Oct 18 09:07:24 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 05:07:24 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC Message-ID: <703def.1c453587.4537404c@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL, direct via N4J The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Mon 2016-10-17 16:08:01 UTC 83 deg (***) **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. 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That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1090. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1055. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC. (***) http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From richard.siff at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 11:52:42 2016 From: richard.siff at verizon.net (Rich/wa4bue) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 07:52:42 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule In-Reply-To: <703def.1c453587.4537404c@aol.com> References: <703def.1c453587.4537404c@aol.com> Message-ID: <406A0BC379D443E4883B50DC781DDB7D@BanjoPC> Good Morning K4AMG Memorial Amateur Radio Club is working with Great Bridge HS in Chesapeake, VA for an ISS contact. Our mentor for this contact is KN4KL. Our equipment is available for use by other schools in the local area; however, weather our mentor is available is not certain. R W4BUE Founder K4AMG -----Original Message----- From: AJ9N--- via AMSAT-BB Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 5:07 AM To: amsat-bb at AMSAT.Org Cc: dweeks at peru.k12.in.us ; dmoon at peru.k12.in.us ; wv9o at comcast.net ; davidd at childrensmuseum.org ; dstief at peoriariverfrontmuseum.org ; knkfire at sbcglobal.net ; stan_mucha at yahoo.com ; markabalog at aol.com ; w9uvi at arrl.net ; mrcicchetti at me.com ; ae9p at arrl.net ; beckyw at childrensmuseum.org ; rkerrigan at peoriariverfrontmuseum.org ; perosky at purduecal.edu ; ka4deb at arrl.net ; k9byt at mcgarey.com ; pmotl at iuk.edu ; srothenberg at msddecatur.k12.in.us ; mark at k9mq.com ; k9wwt at sbcglobal.net ; kerry0464 at comcast.net ; ke9tc at sbcglobal.net ; kf6kee at gmail.com ; Jennifer at childrensmuseum.org ; indycyndy at comcast.net ; dmeier at comcast.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens FL, direct via N4J The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Mon 2016-10-17 16:08:01 UTC 83 deg (***) **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Ericsson radio unless otherwise noted. **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1090. (***) Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1055. (***) Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC. (***) http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp Tue Oct 18 12:43:46 2016 From: ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp (Mineo Wakita) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:43:46 +0900 Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016 Update Message-ID: <7F2A8E29B5DF4B7F8645D0528E328B22@OwnerPC> QB50 will make use of three different launch campaign to complete the orbital injection of all the CubeSats. Always aiming at the maximization of the Mission Objectives, the identified launch scenario is structured as follows: QB50-DS, 6 CubeSats launched on a "Dnepr Science Flight" SSO @475km Dnepr Launcher Science Campaign Q3 2016 QB50-ISS, 40 CubeSats deployed from the "ISS" 415km, 51.6deg Deployment from ISS Science Campaign & IOD Q4 2016 QB50-DIOD, 2 IOD CubeSats launched on a second Dnepr, the "Dnepr IOD Flight" SSO @550km Dnepr Launch IOD Q4 2016/Q1 2017 QB50 CubeSats Scenario and Schedule http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018qb5.xls http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q50.jpg http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q51.jpg http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q52.jpg http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q53.jpg (C)http://www.qb50.eu/ JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita From chrisrstorey at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 12:51:38 2016 From: chrisrstorey at gmail.com (Chris Storey) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 05:51:38 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] First time setting up SatPC32 with FT817 Message-ID: I just installed and set up Sat32PC for the first time using a single FT817 (will be adding a second 817 and/or SDR dongle shortly) and have a some questions. How necessary/critical is the Doppler calibration for working the SSB sats compared to the file that comes with the Sat32PC package? Is this calibration "required" or "nice to have?" Can I use a copy of someone else's calibration file, or will it be too far off to be of any real use until I can get a good enough antenna system set up to do a proper calibration on my own? I am unable to find Fox-1A/AO-85 in the setup files released with the latest release of Sat32PC. What parameters do I need to enter into the setup file to get this one to show up in the list of available satellites? When selecting the NOAA APT satellites, they show up in the lists but do not set the FT817 to the downlink frequency. Is there something different I need to do when selecting these satellites? Thanks for you help! I have only been on the FM satellites with HT's and this is my first foray into the linear satellites.I am very excited to expand this portion of my hobby! Chris Storey KA6WNK DM03 - Southern California From hamsat at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 18 13:45:36 2016 From: hamsat at xs4all.nl (Nico Janssen) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:45:36 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> Message-ID: <84ef0635-7fe2-26e7-4e23-2c6c22b18e51@xs4all.nl> Zach, Don't worry too much about frequent updates of ephemerides. Deep space spacecraft don't experience as many perturbations as satellites in low Earth orbit, like (variable) atmospheric drag. If you really want to dive into serious orbit modeling and tracking, also for deep space, you should have a look at the General Mission Analysis Tool (GMAT): http://gmatcentral.org/display/GW/GMAT+Wiki+Home http://gmatcentral.org/pages/viewrecentblogposts.action?key=GW http://gmat.sourceforge.net/docs/ 73, Nico PA0DLO On 18-10-16 00:24, Zach Leffke wrote: > Thanks for the response Nico. Pete, WA6WOA, also recommend I take a > look at the Horizons system as well. I gave it a quick once over, and > actually logged into the telnet interface and played around a bit. It > definitely looks like the type of thing I'm looking for. Next step > for me is to learn the API and figure out how to integrate with my > existing Python tools. Also, changing how I think about satellite > orbits and tracking algorithms is also probably a requirement for me > (I'm an EE type, not an AOE type, so probably time to learn a little > more about how these tracking algorithms actually work). > > Not being familiar with the system yet (or deep space tracking in > general), my only concern at the moment is the frequency with which > they update the system. TLEs get updated pretty regularly and need to > be refreshed by the client software. My cursory examination of the > HORIZONS system seems to indicate that they give ephemerides that > cover much longer windows, possibly indicating that they don't update > the data as frequently? Hopefully there is something about Deep Space > tracking that is different, not requiring such frequent updates. I > have a sense that I'm not thinking about 'scale' correctly yet. Like > maybe these objects are so far out, that errors that might creep into > the SGP4+TLE algorithms relatively quickly (requiring the weekly or > bi-weekly updates) take a lot longer to creep up and matter with the > deep space trajectories. > > My concern here is primarily related to the Cube Quest Challenge > stuff. I think this is being launched as part of the Orion mission to > the Moon in the next couple years. Can we expect ephemeris data to be > quickly added to the HORIZONS system soon after launch and after the > TLI burn for the Orion mission? Maybe I'm just wrong about how > frequently they update the info. Since this system is being run by > JPL, I'm assuming (maybe hoping?) that the datasets on HORIZONS get > updated every time they conduct ranging operations on active missions > with the DSN (kind of like TLEs get updated every time NORAD does > RADAR tracking for things closer in)? Hopefully, this will then > include the Orion Mission relatively quickly so that the community can > quickly pull the tracking data required to compute pointing angles for > their ground stations to monitor the CQC bird. > > Thanks for the pointers folks. In only a few emails, I've got some > great stuff to look into, and a whole new area to look into and learn > about! Fun stuff! Keep them coming! > > > Thanks, > > Zach, KJ4QLP > > Research Associate > Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University > Work Phone: 540-231-4174 > Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 > From lw2dtz at yahoo.com.ar Tue Oct 18 14:16:25 2016 From: lw2dtz at yahoo.com.ar (Gustavo Carpignano) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] QB50 project 2016 Update In-Reply-To: <7F2A8E29B5DF4B7F8645D0528E328B22@OwnerPC> References: <7F2A8E29B5DF4B7F8645D0528E328B22@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2075011751.2377818.1476800185204@mail.yahoo.com> I understand that Dnepr rocket is out of game or at less delayed due the Ucranian /Russian conflict. So those fligths are delayed. 73 Gustavo. El Martes, 18 de octubre, 2016 9:44:16, Mineo Wakita escribi?: QB50 will make use of three different launch campaign to complete the orbital injection of all the CubeSats. Always aiming at the maximization of the Mission Objectives, the identified launch scenario is structured as follows: QB50-DS,? 6 CubeSats launched on a "Dnepr Science Flight" ? ? ? ? ? SSO @475km ? ? ? ? ? Dnepr Launcher ? ? ? ? ? Science Campaign ? ? ? ? ? Q3 2016 ? ? ? ? ? QB50-ISS,? 40 CubeSats deployed from the "ISS" ? ? ? ? ? 415km, 51.6deg ? ? ? ? ? Deployment from ISS ? ? ? ? ? Science Campaign & IOD ? ? ? ? ? Q4 2016 ? ? ? ? ? QB50-DIOD, 2 IOD CubeSats launched on a second Dnepr, the "Dnepr IOD Flight" ? ? ? ? ? SSO @550km ? ? ? ? ? Dnepr Launch ? ? ? ? ? IOD ? ? ? ? ? Q4 2016/Q1 2017 QB50 CubeSats Scenario and Schedule http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018qb5.xls http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q50.jpg http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q51.jpg http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q52.jpg http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/61018q53.jpg (C)http://www.qb50.eu/ JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k8bl at ameritech.net Tue Oct 18 15:43:19 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] NS39 Activation 10/19 References: <183112726.2130637.1476805399814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <183112726.2130637.1476805399814@mail.yahoo.com> Grid/NPOTA Chasers, I plan to activate NS39 tomorrow 10/19, if it doesn't rain. SO-50 ?- My 15:18 Z Pass FO-29 ?- My ?16:45 Z Pass ? (15 KHz up from center) I'll use our Club Call ?- N8BC - since it is already set up for that NPOTA Site in LoTW. 73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL ? ? (AMSAT #6593, since 1979) From tosca005 at umn.edu Tue Oct 18 16:16:07 2016 From: tosca005 at umn.edu (John Toscano) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:16:07 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: <84ef0635-7fe2-26e7-4e23-2c6c22b18e51@xs4all.nl> References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> <84ef0635-7fe2-26e7-4e23-2c6c22b18e51@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I have wondered about Zach's question about tracking of bodies in other than simple Earth orbit, particularly in Trans-Lunar Trajectory or Lunar Orbit (as in the Cube Quest Challenge). I would be particularly interested in a solution that could run on a PC without concurrent internet connectivity. Are there any programs like that out there? On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Nico Janssen wrote: > Zach, > > Don't worry too much about frequent updates of ephemerides. Deep > space spacecraft don't experience as many perturbations as satellites > in low Earth orbit, like (variable) atmospheric drag. > > If you really want to dive into serious orbit modeling and tracking, > also for deep space, you should have a look at the General Mission > Analysis Tool (GMAT): > http://gmatcentral.org/display/GW/GMAT+Wiki+Home > http://gmatcentral.org/pages/viewrecentblogposts.action?key=GW > http://gmat.sourceforge.net/docs/ > > 73, > Nico PA0DLO > > > On 18-10-16 00:24, Zach Leffke wrote: > >> Thanks for the response Nico. Pete, WA6WOA, also recommend I take a look >> at the Horizons system as well. I gave it a quick once over, and actually >> logged into the telnet interface and played around a bit. It definitely >> looks like the type of thing I'm looking for. Next step for me is to learn >> the API and figure out how to integrate with my existing Python tools. >> Also, changing how I think about satellite orbits and tracking algorithms >> is also probably a requirement for me (I'm an EE type, not an AOE type, so >> probably time to learn a little more about how these tracking algorithms >> actually work). >> >> Not being familiar with the system yet (or deep space tracking in >> general), my only concern at the moment is the frequency with which they >> update the system. TLEs get updated pretty regularly and need to be >> refreshed by the client software. My cursory examination of the HORIZONS >> system seems to indicate that they give ephemerides that cover much longer >> windows, possibly indicating that they don't update the data as frequently? >> Hopefully there is something about Deep Space tracking that is different, >> not requiring such frequent updates. I have a sense that I'm not thinking >> about 'scale' correctly yet. Like maybe these objects are so far out, that >> errors that might creep into the SGP4+TLE algorithms relatively quickly >> (requiring the weekly or bi-weekly updates) take a lot longer to creep up >> and matter with the deep space trajectories. >> >> My concern here is primarily related to the Cube Quest Challenge stuff. >> I think this is being launched as part of the Orion mission to the Moon in >> the next couple years. Can we expect ephemeris data to be quickly added to >> the HORIZONS system soon after launch and after the TLI burn for the Orion >> mission? Maybe I'm just wrong about how frequently they update the info. >> Since this system is being run by JPL, I'm assuming (maybe hoping?) that >> the datasets on HORIZONS get updated every time they conduct ranging >> operations on active missions with the DSN (kind of like TLEs get updated >> every time NORAD does RADAR tracking for things closer in)? Hopefully, >> this will then include the Orion Mission relatively quickly so that the >> community can quickly pull the tracking data required to compute pointing >> angles for their ground stations to monitor the CQC bird. >> >> Thanks for the pointers folks. In only a few emails, I've got some great >> stuff to look into, and a whole new area to look into and learn about! Fun >> stuff! Keep them coming! >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Zach, KJ4QLP >> >> Research Associate >> Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology >> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University >> Work Phone: 540-231-4174 >> Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 >> >> _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From hamsat at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 18 19:04:24 2016 From: hamsat at xs4all.nl (Nico Janssen) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:04:24 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> <84ef0635-7fe2-26e7-4e23-2c6c22b18e51@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <2147cfdd-1e33-f453-9381-d3dae10a8cec@xs4all.nl> John, That is what everybody is looking for. But such programs do not exist. That is why Zach is looking at possibilities to develop such a solution for amateur use. 73, Nico PA0DLO On 18-10-16 18:16, John Toscano wrote: > I have wondered about Zach's question about tracking of bodies in other > than simple Earth orbit, particularly in Trans-Lunar Trajectory or Lunar > Orbit (as in the Cube Quest Challenge). I would be particularly interested > in a solution that could run on a PC without concurrent internet > connectivity. Are there any programs like that out there? > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Nico Janssen wrote: > >> Zach, >> >> Don't worry too much about frequent updates of ephemerides. Deep >> space spacecraft don't experience as many perturbations as satellites >> in low Earth orbit, like (variable) atmospheric drag. >> >> If you really want to dive into serious orbit modeling and tracking, >> also for deep space, you should have a look at the General Mission >> Analysis Tool (GMAT): >> http://gmatcentral.org/display/GW/GMAT+Wiki+Home >> http://gmatcentral.org/pages/viewrecentblogposts.action?key=GW >> http://gmat.sourceforge.net/docs/ >> >> 73, >> Nico PA0DLO >> >> >> On 18-10-16 00:24, Zach Leffke wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the response Nico. Pete, WA6WOA, also recommend I take a look >>> at the Horizons system as well. I gave it a quick once over, and actually >>> logged into the telnet interface and played around a bit. It definitely >>> looks like the type of thing I'm looking for. Next step for me is to learn >>> the API and figure out how to integrate with my existing Python tools. >>> Also, changing how I think about satellite orbits and tracking algorithms >>> is also probably a requirement for me (I'm an EE type, not an AOE type, so >>> probably time to learn a little more about how these tracking algorithms >>> actually work). >>> >>> Not being familiar with the system yet (or deep space tracking in >>> general), my only concern at the moment is the frequency with which they >>> update the system. TLEs get updated pretty regularly and need to be >>> refreshed by the client software. My cursory examination of the HORIZONS >>> system seems to indicate that they give ephemerides that cover much longer >>> windows, possibly indicating that they don't update the data as frequently? >>> Hopefully there is something about Deep Space tracking that is different, >>> not requiring such frequent updates. I have a sense that I'm not thinking >>> about 'scale' correctly yet. Like maybe these objects are so far out, that >>> errors that might creep into the SGP4+TLE algorithms relatively quickly >>> (requiring the weekly or bi-weekly updates) take a lot longer to creep up >>> and matter with the deep space trajectories. >>> >>> My concern here is primarily related to the Cube Quest Challenge stuff. >>> I think this is being launched as part of the Orion mission to the Moon in >>> the next couple years. Can we expect ephemeris data to be quickly added to >>> the HORIZONS system soon after launch and after the TLI burn for the Orion >>> mission? Maybe I'm just wrong about how frequently they update the info. >>> Since this system is being run by JPL, I'm assuming (maybe hoping?) that >>> the datasets on HORIZONS get updated every time they conduct ranging >>> operations on active missions with the DSN (kind of like TLEs get updated >>> every time NORAD does RADAR tracking for things closer in)? Hopefully, >>> this will then include the Orion Mission relatively quickly so that the >>> community can quickly pull the tracking data required to compute pointing >>> angles for their ground stations to monitor the CQC bird. >>> >>> Thanks for the pointers folks. In only a few emails, I've got some great >>> stuff to look into, and a whole new area to look into and learn about! Fun >>> stuff! Keep them coming! >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Zach, KJ4QLP >>> >>> Research Associate >>> Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology >>> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University >>> Work Phone: 540-231-4174 >>> Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k8bl at ameritech.net Tue Oct 18 19:50:37 2016 From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: NS39 Activation 10/19 In-Reply-To: References: <183112726.2130637.1476805399814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <183112726.2130637.1476805399814@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427827151.2327157.1476820237774@mail.yahoo.com> Jerry.... ?NS39 is the ARRL NPOTA designator for the James Garfield Presidential Home Site of the National Park Service in Mentor, OH. 73, ? ?Bob ?K8BL See the N8BC page on QRZ.com for more info on NS39. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jerry Ehlers Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] NS39 Activation 10/19 BoB;: what kind of bird is the NS39?? ?????????????????? wosat Jerry On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:43 AM, R.T.Liddy wrote: Grid/NPOTA Chasers, I plan to activate NS39 tomorrow 10/19, if it doesn't rain. SO-50 ?- My 15:18 Z Pass FO-29 ?- My ?16:45 Z Pass ? (15 KHz up from center) I'll use our Club Call ?- N8BC - since it is already set up for that NPOTA Site in LoTW. 73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL ? ? (AMSAT #6593, since 1979) ______________________________ _________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/ listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Tue Oct 18 21:56:12 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:56:12 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] HRD Sat Track TLE's Message-ID: Where does this program store the TLE's on the hard drive. Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From peter at m3php.com Tue Oct 18 22:03:03 2016 From: peter at m3php.com (Peter Goodhall) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 23:03:03 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] HRD Sat Track TLE's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's stored within the appdata folder within your user profile. if you launch run then execute "%appdata%/satpc32" it should load the folder for SatPC32 and the TLEs are in the Kepler folder On 18 October 2016 at 22:56, Joe wrote: > Where does this program store the TLE's on the hard drive. > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- Peter Goodhall, 2E0SQL From k7trkradio at charter.net Wed Oct 19 00:03:56 2016 From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 17:03:56 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS via UISS & AGW Broken Message-ID: <001d01d2299c$4964b760$dc2e2620$@charter.net> Hello, In the past I was successfully digipeating the ISS using my KPC3+, UISS and AGW Packet engine. After a MB and HD change, I lost the setup. I also lost AGW or at least messed it up, so I downloaded again. On start, I get a 'copyright violation' box and it closes. So, how can I get past the 'copyright violation' message or is there a better way to digipeat using other programs Any help appreciated 73, Ted K7TRK From skristof at etczone.com Wed Oct 19 00:29:43 2016 From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:29:43 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS via UISS & AGW Broken In-Reply-To: <001d01d2299c$4964b760$dc2e2620$@charter.net> References: <001d01d2299c$4964b760$dc2e2620$@charter.net> Message-ID: I use DireWolf and UISS for packet via ISS. I've never tried anything else, so I can't say if it's better or not, but it works fine for me. Steve AI9IN On 2016-10-18 20:03, Ted wrote: > Hello, > > In the past I was successfully digipeating the ISS using my KPC3+, UISS and > AGW Packet engine. After a MB and HD change, I lost the setup. I also lost > AGW or at least messed it up, so I downloaded again. On start, I get a > 'copyright violation' box and it closes. > > So, how can I get past the 'copyright violation' message or is there a > better way to digipeat using other programs > > Any help appreciated > > 73, Ted > > K7TRK > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 19 00:46:23 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:46:23 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Forum at the 2016 Melbourne Hamfest - Friday, Oct. 21, 2016 Message-ID: <1B913B92C9F94CE985EEA88B8EE7A6D2@DHJ> The Melbourne, FL Hamfest will be held this Friday and Saturday, Oct. 21 and 22, 2016. Melbourne Hamfest is one of the largest hamfests held in Florida and is located about an hour southeast of Orlando, between Cocoa Beach and Vero Beach. The hamfest is scheduled to open at 1:00pm on Friday afternoon giving you plenty of time to visit the tailgate and tables inside before the AMSAT Forum which you won't want to miss. We've all been hearing about a Geosynchronous satellite project in the works The AMSAT Forum will be presented by Wally Ritchie, WU1Y on Friday, Oct. 21 at 4:30pm in Forum Room A located in the NE Room of the Auditorium. Wally's talk is titled AMSAT 4B - The Geosynchronous Ham Satellite for the Americas. Wally is deeply involved in development tasks dealing with AMSAT 4B and will discuss it's current status and looks forward to answering your questions concerning the project. AMSAT plans to be on hand on Saturday in the main auditorium with AMSAT materials and answering general questions you may have current AMSAT operations. General information on the Melbourne, FL Hamfest and it's location can be found at www.pcars.org. The weather is supposed to be ideal both days. Hope to see everyone there. Dave, AA4KN AMSAT area coordinator in Central Florida ARISS mentor ARISS PR --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From skristof at etczone.com Wed Oct 19 01:05:40 2016 From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:05:40 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS via UISS & AGW Broken In-Reply-To: <002501d229a2$4e4e97e0$eaebc7a0$@charter.net> References: <001d01d2299c$4964b760$dc2e2620$@charter.net> <002501d229a2$4e4e97e0$eaebc7a0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <6a018df3176cb574028dc82ec213ead6@etczone.com> This page, from the TAPR website has a link: http://www.tapr.org/pipermail/aprssig/2015-October/044896.html I cannot attest to the safety of the site, but TAPR is, of course, a reputable organization. I don't remember where I downloaded DireWolf from. It was a while ago. Hopefully, other AMSAT folks can step up and confirm this site or offer an alternative. Steve On 2016-10-18 20:46, Ted wrote: > Tnx, Steve. Would you know of a good safe site to download direwolf? > > 73, Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of > skristof at etczone.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 5:30 PM > To: Ted > Cc: 'AMSAT-BB' > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS via UISS & AGW Broken > > I use DireWolf and UISS for packet via ISS. I've never tried anything else, > so I can't say if it's better or not, but it works fine for me. > > Steve AI9IN > > On 2016-10-18 20:03, Ted wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> In the past I was successfully digipeating the ISS using my KPC3+, >> UISS and AGW Packet engine. After a MB and HD change, I lost the >> setup. I also lost AGW or at least messed it up, so I downloaded >> again. On start, I get a 'copyright violation' box and it closes. >> >> So, how can I get past the 'copyright violation' message or is there a >> better way to digipeat using other programs >> >> Any help appreciated >> >> 73, Ted >> >> K7TRK >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the > official views of AMSAT-NA. > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all > interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official > views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From claudio at ariotti.com Wed Oct 19 01:23:04 2016 From: claudio at ariotti.com (Claudio Ariotti - IK1SLD) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 03:23:04 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] R: ISS via UISS & AGW Broken Message-ID: <2v7wsf622fnitgpdey6ep1py.1476840133698@email.android.com> Hello Ted, I found this: AGWPE tries to start but then a "Copyright Violation" box appears. I click "OK", but the program then closes.? The?AGWPE.SYS?file is missing from your AGWPE folder. You can reinstall the entire program from the zip file or just theAGWPE.SYS?file. (The AGWPE.SYS file has the date of the program, so don't use the AGWPE.SYS file from another version. It will display the wrong version date when you start the program.)? Here you can found all information about AGW install http://www.k9pq.com/2009/08/blog-post-11-packet-radio-by-agw-packet.html?m=1 73' ?Claudio ?IK1SLD -------- Messaggio originale -------- Da: Ted Data: A: 'AMSAT-BB' Oggetto: [amsat-bb] ISS via UISS & AGW Broken Hello, In the past I was successfully digipeating the ISS using my KPC3+, UISS and AGW Packet engine. After a MB and HD change, I lost the setup. I also lost AGW or at least messed it up, so I downloaded again. On start, I get a 'copyright violation' box and it closes. So, how can I get past the 'copyright violation' message or is there a better way to digipeat using other programs Any help appreciated 73, Ted K7TRK _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From jim at coloradosatellite.com Wed Oct 19 03:22:16 2016 From: jim at coloradosatellite.com (Jim White) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:22:16 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] repair of G5500 Message-ID: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> Who repairs Yeasu G5500's now days? From wouterweg at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 14:58:28 2016 From: wouterweg at gmail.com (Wouter Weggelaar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:58:28 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] repair of G5500 In-Reply-To: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> References: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> Message-ID: Jim, are you asking who still does it, or are you asking for someone to do it for you? I still repair mine if needed, and I know some people that keep theirs going as well. There is plenty of info on the net. Wouter PA3WEG On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Jim White wrote: > Who repairs Yeasu G5500's now days? > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kellyrkeeton at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 15:04:36 2016 From: kellyrkeeton at gmail.com (Kelly Keeton) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:04:36 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] repair of G5500 In-Reply-To: References: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> Message-ID: <21F2809B-34AF-4AFC-AAB3-5E4C32B95E9C@gmail.com> I just added a 5600 to my equipment - what goes wrong with them? I re-packed the rotators with little trouble. Sent from a mobile device. > On Oct 19, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Wouter Weggelaar wrote: > > Jim, are you asking who still does it, or are you asking for someone > to do it for you? > > I still repair mine if needed, and I know some people that keep theirs > going as well. There is plenty of info on the net. > > Wouter PA3WEG > >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Jim White wrote: >> Who repairs Yeasu G5500's now days? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From rolf.krogstad at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 15:07:08 2016 From: rolf.krogstad at gmail.com (Rolf Krogstad) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:07:08 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] repair of G5500 In-Reply-To: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> References: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> Message-ID: Try contacting Larry Kramer k6vlf 785 at pon.net He repaired mine in July 2015 and did a very good job at a very reasonable price. 73 Rolf NR0T EN34 On Oct 18, 2016 10:22 PM, "Jim White" wrote: > Who repairs Yeasu G5500's now days? > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From jim at coloradosatellite.com Wed Oct 19 15:20:25 2016 From: jim at coloradosatellite.com (Jim White) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 09:20:25 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] repair of G5500 In-Reply-To: References: <349dcfc8-eec8-633c-2e4e-83081e3f6b9d@coloradosatellite.com> Message-ID: <2533b332-7d88-2778-e805-57029fdefdeb@coloradosatellite.com> I'm looking for someone who repairs them. The U of Colorado folks have a broken AZ unit that they would like to get fixed if possible. Jim On 10/19/2016 8:58 AM, Wouter Weggelaar wrote: > Jim, are you asking who still does it, or are you asking for someone > to do it for you? > > I still repair mine if needed, and I know some people that keep theirs > going as well. There is plenty of info on the net. > > Wouter PA3WEG > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Jim White wrote: >> Who repairs Yeasu G5500's now days? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From martha at amsat.org Wed Oct 19 15:26:43 2016 From: martha at amsat.org (Martha) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:43 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Rooms Available Message-ID: AMSAT has 7 rooms available at the DoubleTree in Galveston for the AMSAT BOD meeting. The cost is $119 for single or double. The dates are Tues 11/8 - Thurs 11/10. Minimum stay is 2 nights. If you are interested in staying with the group several days before the cruise , please call Martha for the special code (301-822-4376) -- 73- Martha From wb3csy at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 16:03:20 2016 From: wb3csy at gmail.com (Rick Walter) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:03:20 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com> Since reading about the Outernet, I am becoming more curious. I have a Funcube Dongle Pro + connected to my discone antenna going into my windows 7 laptop, running SDR Console. I am hearing a signal that sounds like data with about 2-3 second breaks every so often. The frequency is 1,539.793 MHz and I have the decode in Data USB 24 KHz bandwidth. The signal is -60 dBM on the signal strength meter. Is it possible I am hearing this signal from the bird or could it be a local source? I already have 4 versions of the Raspberry Pi but figured this would be a reason to purchase the version 3! We all need a good excuse to present to the XYL. When using the programs to calculate my pointing direction for the bird, I get two different numbers for the azimuth with two different programs. The elevation is the same. I wish all the programs would accept E or W longitude instead of the 0 to 360 degrees. I guess that makes it easier for the programmer but they usually allow you to give N or S latitude. Finally, I keep thinking if I get all the components to grab this data, is it really worth it other than to say I did it? Thanks for any guidance or comments. Rick - WB3CSY Sent from Rick's iPhone 6S "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke > From howied231 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:03:26 2016 From: howied231 at hotmail.com (Howie DeFelice) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:03:26 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> , Message-ID: Hi Zach, Part of the CQC mission is that each team needs to be able to do orbital determination. Part of the communications package for the Heimdallr satellite that AMSAT is participating in will be a method to determine satellite range and range-rate. We will have accurate information from the launch provider concerning where the satellite is and it's trajectory at the moment of separation. From that point on we need to "dead reckon" the position based on distance and speed measurements form the ranging measurements. Hams will be an important part of this process since the more measurements we can get from places as far apart as possible will increase the accuracy of the measurement. These measurements will allow us to place the satellite in a position in a known reference frame. If we place the earth in the same reference plane we can determine the azimuth and elevation from a point on the earth. We should be able to predict where the satellite should be at all times based on the range and range-rate measurements. I am not an expert on the subject, but this is what I was able to get from listening to the experts. :) Howie AB2S ________________________________ From: AMSAT-BB on behalf of Zach Leffke Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:24 PM To: Nico Janssen; amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? Thanks for the response Nico. Pete, WA6WOA, also recommend I take a look at the Horizons system as well. I gave it a quick once over, and actually logged into the telnet interface and played around a bit. It definitely looks like the type of thing I'm looking for. Next step for me is to learn the API and figure out how to integrate with my existing Python tools. Also, changing how I think about satellite orbits and tracking algorithms is also probably a requirement for me (I'm an EE type, not an AOE type, so probably time to learn a little more about how these tracking algorithms actually work). Not being familiar with the system yet (or deep space tracking in general), my only concern at the moment is the frequency with which they update the system. TLEs get updated pretty regularly and need to be refreshed by the client software. My cursory examination of the HORIZONS system seems to indicate that they give ephemerides that cover much longer windows, possibly indicating that they don't update the data as frequently? Hopefully there is something about Deep Space tracking that is different, not requiring such frequent updates. I have a sense that I'm not thinking about 'scale' correctly yet. Like maybe these objects are so far out, that errors that might creep into the SGP4+TLE algorithms relatively quickly (requiring the weekly or bi-weekly updates) take a lot longer to creep up and matter with the deep space trajectories. My concern here is primarily related to the Cube Quest Challenge stuff. I think this is being launched as part of the Orion mission to the Moon in the next couple years. Can we expect ephemeris data to be quickly added to the HORIZONS system soon after launch and after the TLI burn for the Orion mission? Maybe I'm just wrong about how frequently they update the info. Since this system is being run by JPL, I'm assuming (maybe hoping?) that the datasets on HORIZONS get updated every time they conduct ranging operations on active missions with the DSN (kind of like TLEs get updated every time NORAD does RADAR tracking for things closer in)? Hopefully, this will then include the Orion Mission relatively quickly so that the community can quickly pull the tracking data required to compute pointing angles for their ground stations to monitor the CQC bird. Thanks for the pointers folks. In only a few emails, I've got some great stuff to look into, and a whole new area to look into and learn about! Fun stuff! Keep them coming! Thanks, Zach, KJ4QLP Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 On 10/17/2016 5:08 PM, Nico Janssen wrote: > Zach, > > Good questions. In the near future deep space tracking will become vital > for radio amateurs. So we should prepare for that. > > There are no simple solutions. But it may be helpful to start studying > the > JPL HORIZONS system: > http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?horizons HORIZONS System ssd.jpl.nasa.gov JPL's Horizons system description and related links. > > Tracking information on a number of deep space missions is provided by > this system, e.g. Cassini, DSCOVR, Juno, LRO, MRO and the Voyagers. > > 73, > Nico PA0DLO > > > On 17-10-16 17:35, Zach Leffke wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> This might be slightly off topic, but I'm betting someone on this >> list can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for ways to >> track spacecraft that are not in Earth Orbit (NEO?...did I just >> invent another acronym?...probably not.). I'm trying to figure out >> ways to track man made space vehicles sent to places like the Moon, >> Mars, the Lagrange Points, and beyond. As I understand it, TLEs + >> SGP4 are not the appropriate model for things not in the vicinity of >> Earth. I'm hoping to find a similar technique though for looking up >> current orbital parameters for the Non-Earth satellites (like pulling >> TLEs from celestrak) in some kind of database that contains current >> elements for the spacecraft (NASA servers somewhere?), and then >> compute pointing angles from a location on earth so I can figure when >> and where to point an antenna to receive signals from these spacecraft. >> >> I believe this may be relevant to those on this list that might be >> interested in tracking the Cube Quest Challenge amateur radio cubesat >> that will be sent to the moon in the near future. After the >> trans-lunar injection burn, the cubesat will be ejected from the >> deployer. I'd like to be able to track this satellite as it travels >> to the moon, and potentially help receive data from the bird's 10 GHz >> Downlink. But.......where do I point my antenna and when? >> >> For spacecraft that are already orbiting the Moon, OK, easy enough. >> Unless the antenna has a very narrow beamwidth, I can use any 'ole >> EME tracking package to point my antenna 'at the moon' and with the >> beamwidths I'm working with, the satellite is probably in the main >> beam. But what about the initial journey to the moon? Also, for the >> CQC, the cubesat will not immediately enter Lunar orbit (that is >> where the 'Challenge' part comes in). So simply pointing at the Moon >> may not work reliably. >> >> To get a little more detail......but hopefully not too much...... >> >> I like using a python module called 'pyephem' for all (well...most) >> things related to antenna pointing. This handy module works well >> with TLE formats for Earth orbiters, contains a built in database for >> objects in the solar system, and a decent number of 'fixed' celestial >> objects like stars. It has the ability to import new objects in the >> 'Xephem' format, for things like comets and other bodies. If >> possible I'd like to use this feature to track other space probes >> like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, various Mars missions, >> Satellites at Lagrange Points (ACE/DISCOVR), etc. etc. >> >> Does anyone on the list have experience with this type of thing that >> they might be willing to share? I believe folks from AMSAT-DL >> participated in the ISEE-3 reboot mission, so how did they know when >> and where to point the Bochum antenna for this? Again, I'm looking >> for a technique that hopefully involves downloading current 'orbital >> parameters' of some standard format type (Like TLEs from celestrak, >> but for non Earth Orbiters) and then importing those parameters into >> pyephem (by possibly converting whatever gets downloaded into the >> 'Xephem' format?) in order to integrate this kind of capability into >> my current, python-based, tracking software. Does anyone know of any >> publicly available databases that store current orbital or tracking >> data for non-earth orbiting spacecraft? Any tutorials out there >> about the algorithms used to compute deep space spacecraft position >> from the orbital elements and thus the pointing angles (Like SGP4 + >> coordinate system math, but for non-earth orbiters)? Any software >> libraries anyone is familiar with for this (I prefer python, but am >> open to other languages)? >> >> >> Any and all advice, thoughts, info, papers, links, etc. would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Zach, KJ4QLP >> > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb AMSAT-BB Info Page www.amsat.org To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the AMSAT-BB Archives. Using AMSAT-BB: To post a message to all the list members, send ... From john at papays.com Wed Oct 19 20:14:55 2016 From: john at papays.com (John Papay) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:14:55 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] VP5/AA4FL LOTW Message-ID: <20161019201503.2C9789B8F@lansing182.amsat.org> Jay, VP5/AA4FL, is doing a great job working FM and SSB Half Duplex with a FT817. I worked him this morning from Arizona (K8YSE/7) and uploaded the qso to LOTW. The contact was confirmed 62 minutes after it was made! Congratulations to Jay for letting us know that we are in the log! Be sure to work him as VP5 is rare on satellites. 73, John K8YSE/7 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tfdavis at snet.net Wed Oct 19 20:27:29 2016 From: tfdavis at snet.net (Thomas F Davis) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? In-Reply-To: References: <0afb7f40-2f07-84a1-9c6c-f240f32e87f3@vt.edu> Message-ID: <208809990.3196645.1476908849491@mail.yahoo.com> See the Basics of Space Flight (esp. Chapters 17 and 18, the link is to Chapter 1): https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/basics/bsf1-1.php There are many books available, all are expensive Here is one not yet released:?https://www.amazon.com/Orbital-Mechanics-Astrodynamics-Techniques-Missions/dp/3319351729/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1476908215&sr=8-16&keywords=spacecraft+navigation There is a really good one at my museum, I'll check on it when I'm back in on Saturday On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:03 PM, Howie DeFelice wrote: Hi Zach, Part of the CQC mission is that each team needs to be able to do orbital determination. Part of the communications package for the Heimdallr satellite that AMSAT is participating in will be a method to determine satellite range and range-rate. We will have accurate information from the launch provider concerning where the satellite is and it's trajectory at the moment of separation. From that point on we need to "dead reckon" the position based on distance and speed measurements form the ranging measurements. Hams will be an important part of this process since the more measurements we can get from places as far apart as possible will increase the accuracy of the measurement. These measurements will allow us to place the satellite in a position in a known reference frame. If we place the earth in the same reference plane we can determine the azimuth and elevation from a point on the earth. We should be able to predict where the satellite should be at all times based on the ra nge and range-rate measurements. I am not an expert on the subject, but this is what I was able to get from listening to the experts. :) Howie AB2S ________________________________ From: AMSAT-BB on behalf of Zach Leffke Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:24 PM To: Nico Janssen; amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? Thanks for the response Nico.? Pete, WA6WOA, also recommend I take a look at the Horizons system as well.? I gave it a quick once over, and actually logged into the telnet interface and played around a bit.? It definitely looks like the type of thing I'm looking for.? Next step for me is to learn the API and figure out how to integrate with my existing Python tools.? Also, changing how I think about satellite orbits and tracking algorithms is also probably a requirement for me (I'm an EE type, not an AOE type, so probably time to learn a little more about how these tracking algorithms actually work). Not being familiar with the system yet (or deep space tracking in general), my only concern at the moment is the frequency with which they update the system.? TLEs get updated pretty regularly and need to be refreshed by the client software.? My cursory examination of the HORIZONS system seems to indicate that they give ephemerides that cover much longer windows, possibly indicating that they don't update the data as frequently? Hopefully there is something about Deep Space tracking that is different, not requiring such frequent updates.? I have a sense that I'm not thinking about 'scale' correctly yet.? Like maybe these objects are so far out, that errors that might creep into the SGP4+TLE algorithms relatively quickly (requiring the weekly or bi-weekly updates) take a lot longer to creep up and matter with the deep space trajectories. My concern here is primarily related to the Cube Quest Challenge stuff. I think this is being launched as part of the Orion mission to the Moon in the next couple years.? Can we expect ephemeris data to be quickly added to the HORIZONS system soon after launch and after the TLI burn for the Orion mission?? Maybe I'm just wrong about how frequently they update the info.? Since this system is being run by JPL, I'm assuming (maybe hoping?) that the datasets on HORIZONS get updated every time they conduct ranging operations on active missions with the DSN (kind of like TLEs get updated every time NORAD does RADAR tracking for things closer in)?? Hopefully, this will then include the Orion Mission relatively quickly so that the community can quickly pull the tracking data required to compute pointing angles for their ground stations to monitor the CQC bird. Thanks for the pointers folks.? In only a few emails, I've got some great stuff to look into, and a whole new area to look into and learn about!? Fun stuff!? Keep them coming! Thanks, Zach, KJ4QLP Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 On 10/17/2016 5:08 PM, Nico Janssen wrote: > Zach, > > Good questions. In the near future deep space tracking will become vital > for radio amateurs. So we should prepare for that. > > There are no simple solutions. But it may be helpful to start studying > the > JPL HORIZONS system: > http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?horizons HORIZONS System ssd.jpl.nasa.gov JPL's Horizons system description and related links. > > Tracking information on a number of deep space missions is provided by > this system, e.g. Cassini, DSCOVR, Juno, LRO, MRO and the Voyagers. > > 73, > Nico PA0DLO > > > On 17-10-16 17:35, Zach Leffke wrote: >> Hello all, >> >>? ? This might be slightly off topic, but I'm betting someone on this >> list can point me in the right direction.? I'm looking for ways to >> track spacecraft that are not in Earth Orbit (NEO?...did I just >> invent another acronym?...probably not.).? I'm trying to figure out >> ways to track man made space vehicles sent to places like the Moon, >> Mars, the Lagrange Points, and beyond.? As I understand it, TLEs + >> SGP4 are not the appropriate model for things not in the vicinity of >> Earth.? I'm hoping to find a similar technique though for looking up >> current orbital parameters for the Non-Earth satellites (like pulling >> TLEs from celestrak) in some kind of database that contains current >> elements for the spacecraft (NASA servers somewhere?), and then >> compute pointing angles from a location on earth so I can figure when >> and where to point an antenna to receive signals from these spacecraft. >> >> I believe this may be relevant to those on this list that might be >> interested in tracking the Cube Quest Challenge amateur radio cubesat >> that will be sent to the moon in the near future.? After the >> trans-lunar injection burn, the cubesat will be ejected from the >> deployer.? I'd like to be able to track this satellite as it travels >> to the moon, and potentially help receive data from the bird's 10 GHz >> Downlink.? But.......where do I point my antenna and when? >> >> For spacecraft that are already orbiting the Moon, OK, easy enough. >> Unless the antenna has a very narrow beamwidth, I can use any 'ole >> EME tracking package to point my antenna 'at the moon' and with the >> beamwidths I'm working with, the satellite is probably in the main >> beam.? But what about the initial journey to the moon?? Also, for the >> CQC, the cubesat will not immediately enter Lunar orbit (that is >> where the 'Challenge' part comes in). So simply pointing at the Moon >> may not work reliably. >> >> To get a little more detail......but hopefully not too much...... >> >> I like using a python module called 'pyephem' for all (well...most) >> things related to antenna pointing.? This handy module works well >> with TLE formats for Earth orbiters, contains a built in database for >> objects in the solar system, and a decent number of 'fixed' celestial >> objects like stars.? It has the ability to import new objects in the >> 'Xephem' format, for things like comets and other bodies.? If >> possible I'd like to use this feature to track other space probes >> like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, various Mars missions, >> Satellites at Lagrange Points (ACE/DISCOVR), etc. etc. >> >> Does anyone on the list have experience with this type of thing that >> they might be willing to share?? I believe folks from AMSAT-DL >> participated in the ISEE-3 reboot mission, so how did they know when >> and where to point the Bochum antenna for this? Again, I'm looking >> for a technique that hopefully involves downloading current 'orbital >> parameters' of some standard format type (Like TLEs from celestrak, >> but for non Earth Orbiters) and then importing those parameters into >> pyephem (by possibly converting whatever gets downloaded into the >> 'Xephem' format?) in order to integrate this kind of capability into >> my current, python-based, tracking software.? Does anyone know of any >> publicly available databases that store current orbital or tracking >> data for non-earth orbiting spacecraft?? Any tutorials out there >> about the algorithms used to compute deep space spacecraft position >> from the orbital elements and thus the pointing angles (Like SGP4 + >> coordinate system math, but for non-earth orbiters)?? Any software >> libraries anyone is familiar with for this (I prefer python, but am >> open to other languages)? >> >> >> Any and all advice, thoughts, info, papers, links, etc. would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Zach, KJ4QLP >> > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! 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Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From daniel at destevez.net Wed Oct 19 21:40:40 2016 From: daniel at destevez.net (Dani EA4GPZ) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:40:40 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com> References: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> El 19/10/16 a las 18:03, Rick Walter escribi?: > Since reading about the Outernet, I am becoming more curious. I have > a Funcube Dongle Pro + connected to my discone antenna going into my > windows 7 laptop, running SDR Console. I am hearing a signal that > sounds like data with about 2-3 second breaks every so often. The > frequency is 1,539.793 MHz and I have the decode in Data USB 24 KHz > bandwidth. The signal is -60 dBM on the signal strength meter. Is it > possible I am hearing this signal from the bird or could it be a > local source? I already have 4 versions of the Raspberry Pi but > figured this would be a reason to purchase the version 3! We all need > a good excuse to present to the XYL. Hi Rick, The signal you describe doesn't seem to me like Outernet's signal. Outernet's signal is a bit more than 4kHz wide and it doesn't have any breaks in it. -60dBm on your SDR software doesn't really mean anything unless you have calibrated your signal meter (and -60dBm would be way too high for Outernet's signal). What is strength of the noise floor? Some 10's of kHz above Outernet you have 2 other signals from the same Inmarsat satellite. They are a bit narrower than Outernet and much more stronger (perhaps 10dB even). I would use those to check if you hear the bird. I haven't run the numbers, but I wouldn't expect that you'll be able to hear Outernet with a discone and no LNA. In my experience the FUNcube Dongle Pro+ is not very good at 1.5GHz (but I haven't done any serious tests), and if you have a long cable run from the antenna to the dongle, then you definitely need an LNA. By the way, Outernet's software doesn't support the FUNcube dongle, only the RTL-SDR or MiriSDR. You may want to look at https://github.com/daniestevez/gr-outernet which supports any SDR that works in GNUradio. > Finally, I keep thinking if I get all the components to grab this > data, is it really worth it other than to say I did it? Thanks for > any guidance or comments. Rick - WB3CSY That's something you'll have to decide for yourself. What you currently get is: * An hourly small file with a listing of all APRS packets sent through satellites or the ISS and all APRS packets containing the word OUTNET. * Some grib files with the weather (most useful to sailors) * Some other weather data * Random (most popular) wikipedia pages Most of the bandwidth is spent with wikipedia pages, and the bandwidth is not so high: you can only get about 15MB worth of files per day. Of course you could get the same content on the internet. If you just want to see how it looks like, I have several brief SDR recordings and recordings of Outernet frames that can be used with https://github.com/daniestevez/free-outernet/ One reason to get the hardware for Outernet (LNA and perhaps patch antenna) is that it can be used used not only to receive Outernet but many other things on the L-band. 73, Dani EA4GPZ. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Oct 19 22:06:21 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 14:06:21 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking Non Earth Orbit Spacecraft......how? Message-ID: <201610192206.u9JM6Lft031458@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Its been awhile since the Manfred Memorial Moon Mission 4M, but I tracked it on its loop around the moon on 145.980-MHz using JT65B digital mode which is std for 2m-eme (so there were a lot of stations capable of receiving the signal). I used my 4x M2-XP20 (four x-yagi) eme array for tracking. Luxspace who managed the mission, provided az-el and Doppler predicts but there was a lot of signal searching as predicts didn't exactly match the actual trajectory path. But it was certainly fun and real magic to watch the signal disappear when it passed behind the Moon! CQC will be a whole 'nuther experience. I'm planning for that as details develop. look under March - 2015 http://www.kl7uw.com/mw10g.htm 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 02:08:54 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:08:54 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] En15 activation Message-ID: <8ABE1DC9-A959-4C1A-9CDD-C64593828C05@gmail.com> I will be in en15 tomorrow (Thursday) for a business project. I plan on being active in So50 in the 00:00z pass. May be able to activate en14 on Friday morning. Chad KG0MW Sent from my iPhone From n8hm at arrl.net Thu Oct 20 10:44:21 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 06:44:21 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] N2YTF/VP9 on SO-50 Message-ID: Good morning, Last night I worked Tom, N2YTF/VP9, in Bermuda on SO-50. He plans to be on passes today and tomorrow with a Kenwood TH-D72A and a Diamond RH77CA whip antenna. It's been a while since Bermuda has been on satellite, so look for him. 73, Paul, N8HM From pedro at dutrasousa.name Thu Oct 20 11:16:22 2016 From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 11:16:22 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Crossed polarity dual band single feed yagi Message-ID: <20161020111622.Horde._eyU21K69A-o32c3Geu5Qib@webmail.satavirtual.org> Hi all, The best of ham radio is that you can build and experiment. My current portable yagi is a dualband single fed (VHF element) home built, from DK7ZB designs, 4+5 elements version. VHF has 9.25dB gain 1.03SWR, UHF 8.67dB 1.12SWR. It works like a charm. Now that I'm on the final stages of condo permits for a tower - although it's a tower on top of the building there are still space limitations - my goal is to build a crossed polarity set of my portable antenna. Something similar to what Gulf Alpha had, but instead of 4 feed points, one for each band/polarisation, I'll have only two, combined into one impedance matched feed line to the shack. Due to the required materials for the feed points and the elements positions I came up with 2 versions where the vertical antenna is ahead of the horizontal by 3 inches and 16 inches. My understanding is that circular polarisation would require a specific position for the vertical antenna plus the proper cable circuit for it. I'm aware that RHCP would give me a stable signal reception, rather than my setup even tilted 45 degrees instead of plain horizontal/vertical. I saw PU3GUO report on his VHF only antenna while receiving ANDE. I've ran the model in 4nec2 for the two options, 145MHz and 435MHz, and using 5W. Here are my findings. 3 inches separation: VHF Both antennas 1.03SWR Combined gain 9.25dB UHF Both antennas 1.12SWR Combined gain 8.67dB 16 inches separation: VHF Both antennas 1.03SWR Combined gain 9.24dB UHF Horizontal antenna 1.12SWR; Vertical antenna 1.49SWR Combined gain 8.27dB My conclusion is that advancing the vertical antenna by so many inches will result in interference from the horizontal one in such way that the gain is lower and SWR increases. Gain in UHF is lower, expected as same happens in my current portable antenna, and that's because it's being fed in the VHF element. Has anyone built something similar that can share any comments? Would there be any other configuration possible for a single boom? Thanks in advance. 73s de Pedro CU2ZG, HM77 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 11:42:46 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:42:46 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] VP5/AA4FL Message-ID: Feel free to check out my Facebook page for operation photos. I have opened up my VP5 posts for public view so you do not need to friend me. See you on the birds! 73, Jay VP5/AA4FL -- Dr. Jay H. Garlitz, AA4FL -President/CEO Connected World Internet Ventures, In. -President-Elect, Medical Amateur Radio Council, *www.marco-ltd.org * -Courtesy Clinical Assoc. Professor, UF Dentistry, Dpt. Community Dentistry -FCC Trustee, W4DFU at Univ. of Florida, since 2005, www.gatorradio.org. The Club Station of the Gator Amateur Radio Club, at UF since 1934 -member 2013 T33A Banaba Island Dxpedition, Central Pacific, www.t33a.com -other past personal calls 3D2FL (Fiji), T30FL (Tarawa), T33FL (Banaba), From rico.van.genugten at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 14:09:22 2016 From: rico.van.genugten at gmail.com (Rico van Genugten) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:09:22 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Crossed polarity dual band single feed yagi In-Reply-To: <20161020111622.Horde._eyU21K69A-o32c3Geu5Qib@webmail.satavirtual.org> References: <20161020111622.Horde._eyU21K69A-o32c3Geu5Qib@webmail.satavirtual.org> Message-ID: Hi Pedro, I have thought about this subject a lot. How to build an antenna that is single boom, dual band, circularly polarized. I have come to the conclusion that it is pretty difficult due to the following considerations: - To create a circularly polarized antenna a phase shift of 1/4 wl is needed. A phase shift can be obtained through physical distance on the boom, or a difference in feed line length. - When a phase shift of 0 is produced, for instance when the elements are on the same location on the boom and there is no feed line difference, you will end up with a diagonal linear polarized antenna. Think about it: You have two perpendicular linear antennas in the same plane, the resultant will be the summation of the two antennes: a diagonal antenna. - When a phase shift of anything in between 0 and 1/4 wl (or any multiple) is produced, the antenna polarization is somewhere between linear and circular: it will be elliptically polarized. This will mean that it is not completely deaf in one plane like a linear antenna, but will have a gain optimum in a particular plane and a gain minimum in a plane perpendicular to it. - 1/4 wl spacing on UHF is (obviously) not the same as 1/4 wl spacing on VHF, but if you use open-sleeve feeding (2 feed points) there is no way to manipulate either the position on the boom or the feed line difference for VHF and UHF independently - If you use 4 feed points you have full control of the placing of the four antennas on the boom and the feed line differences and are probably able to produce a true single boom, dual band, circularly polarized antenna, but the VHF and UHF antennas will influence each other so strongly that you will probably end up placing the UHF antenna after the last element of the VHF antenna, leaving you with either a very long boom or very little gain. My two cents. :) 73, Rico PA3RVG On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Hi all, > > The best of ham radio is that you can build and experiment. > > My current portable yagi is a dualband single fed (VHF element) home > built, from DK7ZB designs, 4+5 elements version. VHF has 9.25dB gain > 1.03SWR, UHF 8.67dB 1.12SWR. > It works like a charm. > > Now that I'm on the final stages of condo permits for a tower - although > it's a tower on top of the building there are still space limitations - my > goal is to build a crossed polarity set of my portable antenna. Something > similar to what Gulf Alpha had, but instead of 4 feed points, one for each > band/polarisation, I'll have only two, combined into one impedance matched > feed line to the shack. > > Due to the required materials for the feed points and the elements > positions I came up with 2 versions where the vertical antenna is ahead of > the horizontal by 3 inches and 16 inches. My understanding is that circular > polarisation would require a specific position for the vertical antenna > plus the proper cable circuit for it. > I'm aware that RHCP would give me a stable signal reception, rather than > my setup even tilted 45 degrees instead of plain horizontal/vertical. I saw > PU3GUO report on his VHF only antenna while receiving ANDE. > > I've ran the model in 4nec2 for the two options, 145MHz and 435MHz, and > using 5W. Here are my findings. > > 3 inches separation: > > VHF > Both antennas 1.03SWR > Combined gain 9.25dB > > UHF > Both antennas 1.12SWR > Combined gain 8.67dB > > 16 inches separation: > > VHF > Both antennas 1.03SWR > Combined gain 9.24dB > > UHF > Horizontal antenna 1.12SWR; Vertical antenna 1.49SWR > Combined gain 8.27dB > > > My conclusion is that advancing the vertical antenna by so many inches > will result in interference from the horizontal one in such way that the > gain is lower and SWR increases. > Gain in UHF is lower, expected as same happens in my current portable > antenna, and that's because it's being fed in the VHF element. > > Has anyone built something similar that can share any comments? > Would there be any other configuration possible for a single boom? > > Thanks in advance. > > 73s de Pedro > CU2ZG, HM77 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From pedro at dutrasousa.name Thu Oct 20 14:48:52 2016 From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (pedro at dutrasousa.name) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 14:48:52 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Crossed polarity dual band single feed yagi In-Reply-To: References: <20161020111622.Horde._eyU21K69A-o32c3Geu5Qib@webmail.satavirtual.org> Message-ID: <20161020144852.Horde.awcC0UY7KBhyK7vGduli9lY@webmail.satavirtual.org> Hi Rico, Thank you for that explanation. The main problem here is that the original antenna has the UHF elements just to help the VHF tune into UHF. It's not a true dual feed VHF/UHF. So if I get this concept in circular polarisation it'll always be for the VHF leaving UHF to the mercy of a low gain. The simulation confirms that the gain will bend into an elliptical polarisation, but not that significant. It's tricky alright. Here are the calculations from 4nec2. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/single_VHF.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/single_UHF.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/3inch_VHF.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/3inch_UHF.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/16inch_VHF.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/16inch_UHF.png 73s Pedro CU2ZG Quoting Rico van Genugten : > Hi Pedro, > > I have thought about this subject a lot. How to build an antenna that is > single boom, dual band, circularly polarized. I have come to the conclusion > that it is pretty difficult due to the following considerations: > > - To create a circularly polarized antenna a phase shift of 1/4 wl is > needed. A phase shift can be obtained through physical distance on the > boom, or a difference in feed line length. > > - When a phase shift of 0 is produced, for instance when the elements are > on the same location on the boom and there is no feed line difference, you > will end up with a diagonal linear polarized antenna. Think about it: You > have two perpendicular linear antennas in the same plane, the resultant > will be the summation of the two antennes: a diagonal antenna. > > - When a phase shift of anything in between 0 and 1/4 wl (or any multiple) > is produced, the antenna polarization is somewhere between linear and > circular: it will be elliptically polarized. This will mean that it is not > completely deaf in one plane like a linear antenna, but will have a gain > optimum in a particular plane and a gain minimum in a plane perpendicular > to it. > > - 1/4 wl spacing on UHF is (obviously) not the same as 1/4 wl spacing on > VHF, but if you use open-sleeve feeding (2 feed points) there is no way to > manipulate either the position on the boom or the feed line difference for > VHF and UHF independently > > - If you use 4 feed points you have full control of the placing of the four > antennas on the boom and the feed line differences and are probably able to > produce a true single boom, dual band, circularly polarized antenna, but > the VHF and UHF antennas will influence each other so strongly that you > will probably end up placing the UHF antenna after the last element of the > VHF antenna, leaving you with either a very long boom or very little gain. > > My two cents. :) > > 73, Rico > PA3RVG > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> The best of ham radio is that you can build and experiment. >> >> My current portable yagi is a dualband single fed (VHF element) home >> built, from DK7ZB designs, 4+5 elements version. VHF has 9.25dB gain >> 1.03SWR, UHF 8.67dB 1.12SWR. >> It works like a charm. >> >> Now that I'm on the final stages of condo permits for a tower - although >> it's a tower on top of the building there are still space limitations - my >> goal is to build a crossed polarity set of my portable antenna. Something >> similar to what Gulf Alpha had, but instead of 4 feed points, one for each >> band/polarisation, I'll have only two, combined into one impedance matched >> feed line to the shack. >> >> Due to the required materials for the feed points and the elements >> positions I came up with 2 versions where the vertical antenna is ahead of >> the horizontal by 3 inches and 16 inches. My understanding is that circular >> polarisation would require a specific position for the vertical antenna >> plus the proper cable circuit for it. >> I'm aware that RHCP would give me a stable signal reception, rather than >> my setup even tilted 45 degrees instead of plain horizontal/vertical. I saw >> PU3GUO report on his VHF only antenna while receiving ANDE. >> >> I've ran the model in 4nec2 for the two options, 145MHz and 435MHz, and >> using 5W. Here are my findings. >> >> 3 inches separation: >> >> VHF >> Both antennas 1.03SWR >> Combined gain 9.25dB >> >> UHF >> Both antennas 1.12SWR >> Combined gain 8.67dB >> >> 16 inches separation: >> >> VHF >> Both antennas 1.03SWR >> Combined gain 9.24dB >> >> UHF >> Horizontal antenna 1.12SWR; Vertical antenna 1.49SWR >> Combined gain 8.27dB >> >> >> My conclusion is that advancing the vertical antenna by so many inches >> will result in interference from the horizontal one in such way that the >> gain is lower and SWR increases. >> Gain in UHF is lower, expected as same happens in my current portable >> antenna, and that's because it's being fed in the VHF element. >> >> Has anyone built something similar that can share any comments? >> Would there be any other configuration possible for a single boom? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> 73s de Pedro >> CU2ZG, HM77 >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. 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From rico.van.genugten at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 15:24:59 2016 From: rico.van.genugten at gmail.com (Rico van Genugten) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:24:59 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] Crossed polarity dual band single feed yagi In-Reply-To: <20161020144852.Horde.awcC0UY7KBhyK7vGduli9lY@webmail.satavirtual.org> References: <20161020111622.Horde._eyU21K69A-o32c3Geu5Qib@webmail.satavirtual.org> <20161020144852.Horde.awcC0UY7KBhyK7vGduli9lY@webmail.satavirtual.org> Message-ID: Hi Pedro, With an open-sleeve configuration as you have the distance between vhf and uhf elements is fixed, so you can either get true circular polarisation either on VHF or UHF, by spacing the two perpendicular antennes either with 1/4 wl on VHF or 1/4 wl on UHF respectively. The other will have arbitrary polarisation. In your images you only show 'total' gain, which is a summation of vertical and horizontal afaik. Using the < and > keys you can switch to hortizontal, vertical, lhcp or rhcp, those are more informative in this case. 73, Rico PA3RVG On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Hi Rico, > > Thank you for that explanation. > > The main problem here is that the original antenna has the UHF elements > just to help the VHF tune into UHF. It's not a true dual feed VHF/UHF. > So if I get this concept in circular polarisation it'll always be for the > VHF leaving UHF to the mercy of a low gain. > > The simulation confirms that the gain will bend into an elliptical > polarisation, but not that significant. > > It's tricky alright. > > Here are the calculations from 4nec2. > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/single_VHF.png > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/single_UHF.png > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/3inch_VHF.png > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/3inch_UHF.png > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/16inch_VHF.png > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/16inch_UHF.png > > 73s Pedro > CU2ZG > > > > Quoting Rico van Genugten : > > Hi Pedro, >> >> I have thought about this subject a lot. How to build an antenna that is >> single boom, dual band, circularly polarized. I have come to the >> conclusion >> that it is pretty difficult due to the following considerations: >> >> - To create a circularly polarized antenna a phase shift of 1/4 wl is >> needed. A phase shift can be obtained through physical distance on the >> boom, or a difference in feed line length. >> >> - When a phase shift of 0 is produced, for instance when the elements are >> on the same location on the boom and there is no feed line difference, you >> will end up with a diagonal linear polarized antenna. Think about it: You >> have two perpendicular linear antennas in the same plane, the resultant >> will be the summation of the two antennes: a diagonal antenna. >> >> - When a phase shift of anything in between 0 and 1/4 wl (or any multiple) >> is produced, the antenna polarization is somewhere between linear and >> circular: it will be elliptically polarized. This will mean that it is not >> completely deaf in one plane like a linear antenna, but will have a gain >> optimum in a particular plane and a gain minimum in a plane perpendicular >> to it. >> >> - 1/4 wl spacing on UHF is (obviously) not the same as 1/4 wl spacing on >> VHF, but if you use open-sleeve feeding (2 feed points) there is no way to >> manipulate either the position on the boom or the feed line difference for >> VHF and UHF independently >> >> - If you use 4 feed points you have full control of the placing of the >> four >> antennas on the boom and the feed line differences and are probably able >> to >> produce a true single boom, dual band, circularly polarized antenna, but >> the VHF and UHF antennas will influence each other so strongly that you >> will probably end up placing the UHF antenna after the last element of the >> VHF antenna, leaving you with either a very long boom or very little gain. >> >> My two cents. :) >> >> 73, Rico >> PA3RVG >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> The best of ham radio is that you can build and experiment. >>> >>> My current portable yagi is a dualband single fed (VHF element) home >>> built, from DK7ZB designs, 4+5 elements version. VHF has 9.25dB gain >>> 1.03SWR, UHF 8.67dB 1.12SWR. >>> It works like a charm. >>> >>> Now that I'm on the final stages of condo permits for a tower - although >>> it's a tower on top of the building there are still space limitations - >>> my >>> goal is to build a crossed polarity set of my portable antenna. Something >>> similar to what Gulf Alpha had, but instead of 4 feed points, one for >>> each >>> band/polarisation, I'll have only two, combined into one impedance >>> matched >>> feed line to the shack. >>> >>> Due to the required materials for the feed points and the elements >>> positions I came up with 2 versions where the vertical antenna is ahead >>> of >>> the horizontal by 3 inches and 16 inches. My understanding is that >>> circular >>> polarisation would require a specific position for the vertical antenna >>> plus the proper cable circuit for it. >>> I'm aware that RHCP would give me a stable signal reception, rather than >>> my setup even tilted 45 degrees instead of plain horizontal/vertical. I >>> saw >>> PU3GUO report on his VHF only antenna while receiving ANDE. >>> >>> I've ran the model in 4nec2 for the two options, 145MHz and 435MHz, and >>> using 5W. Here are my findings. >>> >>> 3 inches separation: >>> >>> VHF >>> Both antennas 1.03SWR >>> Combined gain 9.25dB >>> >>> UHF >>> Both antennas 1.12SWR >>> Combined gain 8.67dB >>> >>> 16 inches separation: >>> >>> VHF >>> Both antennas 1.03SWR >>> Combined gain 9.24dB >>> >>> UHF >>> Horizontal antenna 1.12SWR; Vertical antenna 1.49SWR >>> Combined gain 8.27dB >>> >>> >>> My conclusion is that advancing the vertical antenna by so many inches >>> will result in interference from the horizontal one in such way that the >>> gain is lower and SWR increases. >>> Gain in UHF is lower, expected as same happens in my current portable >>> antenna, and that's because it's being fed in the VHF element. >>> >>> Has anyone built something similar that can share any comments? >>> Would there be any other configuration possible for a single boom? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> 73s de Pedro >>> CU2ZG, HM77 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions >>> expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From AJ9N at aol.com Thu Oct 20 07:56:36 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 03:56:36 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-20 07:30 UTC Message-ID: <25f600.5799fb79.4539d2b4@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-20 07:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: TBD **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted. (***) **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-20 07:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1090. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1055. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC. (***) http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 47 on orbit Jeff Williams KD5TVQ Oleg Skripochka RN3FU Aleksey Ovchinin Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From kc2lnc at lexcominc.net Thu Oct 20 17:20:35 2016 From: kc2lnc at lexcominc.net (Steve Appleton) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:20:35 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage Mast Mounted Preamp(s) Message-ID: <053BA748269D4A4790C54D932D180117@StevePC> I recently purchased one of the Mirage mast mounted preamps from DX Engineering. Conflicts in documentation and a lack of labeling on the unit caused be concern as to whether I had the right unit. After spending two days back and forth with DX Engineering / Mirage, I?m told the following with respect to the Mirage KP-2 Series Mast Mounted Preamps: 1. Only the 1.25 m (KP-2/220) and 70 cm (KP-2/440) units are being manufactured with N connectors. All other variants have SO-239 UHF connectors. 2. None of the units in this series have any band specific labeling but have the generic label ?KP-2?. The only indication of what band the unit is intended to operate on is the labeling on the box. Thanks to Mike at DX Engineering for clearing up the confusion. This caused me to plan the wrong cables at the antenna end. Not a major inconvenience but bothersome just the same. Mike assured me that they are going to correct this information on their website. There is no information on the Mirage web site so I felt it was worth letting everyone know. The experience so far with Mirage does not instill a lot of confidence but I?m going to install it and see how well it works. From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Thu Oct 20 17:49:44 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:49:44 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage Mast Mounted Preamp(s) In-Reply-To: <053BA748269D4A4790C54D932D180117@StevePC> References: <053BA748269D4A4790C54D932D180117@StevePC> Message-ID: <580903B8.6050002@cfl.rr.com> This is because they are now an MFJ product and have a lot to be desired. If you can get a hold of the older version that were sold under Mirage themselves, they are much better units and labeled. The old units also had the nice 1 1/2" cubed power box for dc into the coax. Much better than the little mini-box they now give you. The newer box moves with the coax if using RG-8 or similar and is a pain. The newer MFJ units also are not shielded and subject to cross talk during satellite full-duplex operation. As a result I got rid of the 2-meter newer version I had. I do have several of the 70cm and two meter units which are correctly marked and in shielded cast boxes. They work great. Even though more expensive I would probably now go with SSB or similar. Reid. W4UPD On 10/20/2016 1:20 PM, Steve Appleton wrote: > I recently purchased one of the Mirage mast mounted preamps from DX Engineering. Conflicts in documentation and a lack of labeling on the unit caused be concern as to whether I had the right unit. After spending two days back and forth with DX Engineering / Mirage, I?m told the following with respect to the Mirage KP-2 Series Mast Mounted Preamps: > 1. Only the 1.25 m (KP-2/220) and 70 cm (KP-2/440) units are being manufactured with N connectors. All other variants have SO-239 UHF connectors. > 2. None of the units in this series have any band specific labeling but have the generic label ?KP-2?. The only indication of what band the unit is intended to operate on is the labeling on the box. Thanks to Mike at DX Engineering for clearing up the confusion. This caused me to plan the wrong cables at the antenna end. Not a major inconvenience but bothersome just the same. Mike assured me that they are going to correct this information on their website. There is no information on the Mirage web site so I felt it was worth letting everyone know. The experience so far with Mirage does not instill a lot of confidence but I?m going to install it and see how well it works. > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From gp_ab5r at outlook.com Thu Oct 20 18:46:06 2016 From: gp_ab5r at outlook.com (Gerald Payton) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:46:06 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Wordwide Amsats Message-ID: On an impulse, I Googled the word "Amsat." I came up with 17 countries using the prefix of AMSAT for their sites (including JAMSAT for Japan). I knew that the hobby extended worldwide, but didn't know there were that many. There may be more that I missed. It occurs to me that there could be much to share and learn from each other. However, there would be language barriers for sure, other hurdles possibly. Stations operating on or near the North America coasts are able to make international contacts using the present LEO birds. What about the future Phase 4 and 5 satellites? These will provide a much different coverage footprint. NOT being an "internet nerd", I wonder if there is some central website that could be created that would link all of these 17 possibilities instead of painstakingly searching for the correct URL? Any thoughts out there? Yah or Nay. From k9jkm at comcast.net Thu Oct 20 23:57:36 2016 From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:57:36 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Radio Status Update Message-ID: <007301d22b2d$bb9766b0$32c63410$@net> Good evening folks, Here is a report of the current status of the ARISS gear aboard the ISS: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/apparent-ariss-radio-failure-prompts-shift-to- russian-service-module-ham-gear (watch the line cutoff from the remailer). -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm at amsat.org From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 21 03:07:51 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 23:07:51 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? Message-ID: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> I have attempted use SatPC to provide frequency parking at the end of any priority passes. Thanks to Alan, WA4SCA, he provided some data for simulation of a GeoSync satellite. I tweaked the values to provide what I needed for my locaation and it seems to work fine as far as the satellite always being in range and that it is selected when no other satellite with a priority of 1-9 is above the horizon. The problem I am having is that when I put the frequencies I want into DOPPLER.SQF. I entered the line: TestSat3,146520,436800,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 The name matches the keps. etc. However, nothing displays in the Doppler window. My assumption at this point is that SatPC knows its a Geo or at least there will be no Doppler and doesn't display or use the entered values. Wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this. The intent was to allow the radio to monitor local frequencies when no satellites were in range then switch as any came within range. Looks like this is not going to work. Reid, W4UPD From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 21 03:37:27 2016 From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 23:37:27 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS News Release no. 16-10 Message-ID: <930DD13AC0F347C192CCE2C0373EC6CF@DHJ> ARISS NEWS RELEASE no. 16-10 October 20, 2016 David Jordan, AA4KN ARISS PR aa4kn at amsat.org Attention: This is a reissue of the release previously sent on August 26, 2016 reminding all interested parties that the deadline for educational institutions to submit proposals seeking contacts with the International Space Station for this cycle is approaching fast. Please plan to submit your proposal before the November 1 deadline noted below. Message to US Educators Amateur Radio on the International Space Station Contact Opportunity Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 - November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. The Opportunity Crew members aboard the International Space Station will participate in scheduled Amateur Radio contacts. These radio contacts are approximately 10 minutes in length and allow students to interact with the astronauts through a question-and-answer session. An ARISS contact is a voice-only communication opportunity via Amateur Radio between astronauts and cosmonauts aboard the space station and classrooms and communities. ARISS contacts afford education audiences the opportunity to learn firsthand from astronauts what it is like to live and work in space and to learn about space research conducted on the ISS. Students also will have an opportunity to learn about satellite communication, wireless technology, and radio science. Because of the nature of human spaceflight and the complexity of scheduling activities aboard the ISS, organizations must demonstrate flexibility to accommodate changes in dates and times of the radio contact. Amateur Radio organizations around the world, NASA, and space agencies in Russia, Canada, Japan and Europe sponsor this educational opportunity by providing the equipment and operational support to enable direct communication between crew on the ISS and students around the world via Amateur Radio. In the US, the program is managed by AMSAT (Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation) and ARRL (American Radio Relay League) in partnership with NASA and CASIS (Center for the Advancement of Science in Space). More Information Interested parties can find more information about the program at www.ariss.org and www.arrl.org/ARISS. For proposal information and more details such as expectations, proposal guidelines and proposal form, and dates and times of Information Sessions go to http://www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. Please direct any questions to ariss at arrl.org. About ARISS Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Also, join us on Facebook: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) / Follow us on Twitter: ARISS_status Contact: David Jordan, AA4KN ARISS PR , aa4kn at amsat.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dan at post.com Fri Oct 21 07:54:27 2016 From: dan at post.com (Daniel Cussen) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 08:54:27 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 In-Reply-To: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> References: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> Message-ID: ARISS NEWS RELEASE no. 16-09 October 20, 2016 David Jordan, AA4KN ARISS PR aa4kn at amsat.org Current Amateur Radio Status on board the International Space Station (ISS) The VHF handheld radio model that has been used by the ARISS program to connect students worldwide with astronauts on board the International Space Station (ISS) for over 16 years has given an error message and is unusable at this time. While the ARISS technical team evaluates the best path to restore operation from the Columbus module, ARISS contacts will be supported using the Kenwood radio in the Russian Service Module. During this period, the packet digipeater will be unavailable. Switching to the 70 cm radio capability on board the Columbus module for some operations is being coordinated. Expect further updates as we work to resolve this problem. About ARISS Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Also, join us on Facebook: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) / Follow us on Twitter: ARISS_status Contact: David Jordan, AA4KN ARISS PR , aa4kn at amsat.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From richard.siff at verizon.net Fri Oct 21 10:25:47 2016 From: richard.siff at verizon.net (Rich/wa4bue) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 06:25:47 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 In-Reply-To: References: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> Message-ID: <10CE6DC7C4484C46B3E92CA94A6F3BA0@BanjoPC> Thought last year a new rig was purchased for the ISS, using donations from AMSAT members. K4AMG donated. What is the status of the new rig???? Rich W4BUE Founder K4AMG -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Cussen Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 3:54 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 ARISS NEWS RELEASE no. 16-09 October 20, 2016 David Jordan, AA4KN ARISS PR aa4kn at amsat.org Current Amateur Radio Status on board the International Space Station (ISS) The VHF handheld radio model that has been used by the ARISS program to connect students worldwide with astronauts on board the International Space Station (ISS) for over 16 years has given an error message and is unusable at this time. While the ARISS technical team evaluates the best path to restore operation from the Columbus module, ARISS contacts will be supported using the Kenwood radio in the Russian Service Module. During this period, the packet digipeater will be unavailable. Switching to the 70 cm radio capability on board the Columbus module for some operations is being coordinated. Expect further updates as we work to resolve this problem. About ARISS Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. Also, join us on Facebook: Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) / Follow us on Twitter: ARISS_status Contact: David Jordan, AA4KN ARISS PR , aa4kn at amsat.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa4sca at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 10:34:02 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 05:34:02 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? In-Reply-To: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> References: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001d22b86$a4763cf0$ed62b6d0$@GMAIL.COM> Hi Reid, I used the original TestSat2 Keps I sent, and your DOPPLER.SQF changed to TestSat2, and it worked as desired. One thing to check is the object number. I used a "standard made up" number, and if SatPC32 sees two objects with the same number, it can cause problems. Check in your Keps you don't have another 99999. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- References: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: As I recall, SatPC is frequency limited and won?t control a radio above 146.000. There is probably a limit on UHF also, but I don?t know it. I?ve never investigated to see if this is configurable somewhere. Dave, W8AAS > On Oct 20, 2016, at 11:07 PM, w4upd wrote: > > I have attempted use SatPC to provide frequency parking at the end of any priority passes. Thanks to Alan, WA4SCA, he provided some data for simulation of a GeoSync satellite. I tweaked the values to provide what I needed for my locaation and it seems to work fine as far as the satellite always being in range and that it is selected when no other satellite with a priority of 1-9 is above the horizon. > > The problem I am having is that when I put the frequencies I want into DOPPLER.SQF. I entered the line: > > TestSat3,146520,436800,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 > > The name matches the keps. etc. However, nothing displays in the Doppler window. My assumption at this point is that SatPC knows its a Geo or at least there will be no Doppler and doesn't display or use the entered values. > > Wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this. > > The intent was to allow the radio to monitor local frequencies when no satellites were in range then switch as any came within range. Looks like this is not going to work. > > Reid, W4UPD > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From dan at post.com Fri Oct 21 10:59:02 2016 From: dan at post.com (Daniel Cussen) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:59:02 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 In-Reply-To: <10CE6DC7C4484C46B3E92CA94A6F3BA0@BanjoPC> References: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> <10CE6DC7C4484C46B3E92CA94A6F3BA0@BanjoPC> Message-ID: >Thought last year a new rig was purchased for the ISS, using donations from AMSAT >members. K4AMG donated. What is the status of the new rig???? It is still on the ground. It takes a lot to get a piece of equipment approved for use on the ISS. It needs hardware modifications (they often change capacitors etc.), software modifications (reducing power levels/fixing known channels & settings). It then has to go through testing and approval by Russia, ESA, NASA etc. This often takes multiple years, from concept, funding, agreement, testing, launch opportunity etc. Often they have to supply many radios, not just one, for vibration testing/training in multiple countries and spares on the ground and in space. There is weekly teleconferences where the progress is tracked and any delays worked on. I am sure all options are being considered. From wa4sca at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 11:11:12 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 06:11:12 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? In-Reply-To: References: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001d22b8b$d5a6e9a0$80f4bce0$@GMAIL.COM> Dave, Never ran into a limit on tracking frequency. It is usually an object number conflict, or failing to leave a blank line at the end of the DOPPLER.SQF file. Have done both, and more than once. ;) 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- On Oct 20, 2016, at 11:07 PM, w4upd wrote: <> <> I have attempted use SatPC to provide frequency parking at the end of any priority passes. Thanks to <> The problem I am having is that when I put the frequencies I want into DOPPLER.SQF. I entered the <> TestSat3,146520,436800,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 <> <> The name matches the keps. etc. However, nothing displays in the Doppler window. My assumption <> Wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this. <> <> The intent was to allow the radio to monitor local frequencies when no satellites were in range then <> Reid, W4UPD <> <> _______________________________________________ <> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <> Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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In-Reply-To: <000001d22b8b$d5a6e9a0$80f4bce0$@GMAIL.COM> References: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> <000001d22b8b$d5a6e9a0$80f4bce0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: Good to know, Alan. Thanks.I haven?t tried it myself, but was told about the limitation by another ham who was trying to set up SatPC to point and tune to distant terrestrial repeaters for weak-signal verification prior to handling an ARISS contact. Dave > On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Alan wrote: > > Dave, > > Never ran into a limit on tracking frequency. It is usually an object number conflict, or failing to > leave a blank line at the end of the DOPPLER.SQF file. Have done both, and more than once. ;) > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > <-----Original Message----- > > > < > < > < > < > <> On Oct 20, 2016, at 11:07 PM, w4upd wrote: > <> > <> I have attempted use SatPC to provide frequency parking at the end of any priority passes. Thanks to > in > <> > <> The problem I am having is that when I put the frequencies I want into DOPPLER.SQF. I entered the > <> > <> TestSat3,146520,436800,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 > <> > <> The name matches the keps. etc. However, nothing displays in the Doppler window. My assumption > use > <> > <> Wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this. > <> > <> The intent was to allow the radio to monitor local frequencies when no satellites were in range then > <> > <> Reid, W4UPD > <> > <> _______________________________________________ > <> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > <> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > <> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > <> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > <> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > < > <_______________________________________________ > > > From dave.w8aas at verizon.net Fri Oct 21 12:19:07 2016 From: dave.w8aas at verizon.net (Dave Taylor) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 08:19:07 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 In-Reply-To: <10CE6DC7C4484C46B3E92CA94A6F3BA0@BanjoPC> References: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> <10CE6DC7C4484C46B3E92CA94A6F3BA0@BanjoPC> Message-ID: ARISS is actively working on a new Interoperable Radio System for ISS. The primary components are a modified Kenwood D710GA radio and a custom ARISS-designed power supply. The radio is complete except for final programming and NASA testing and certification. The power supply design is in final stages and a hardware prototype has been built. It will power existing and anticipated ARISS equipment. The radio by itself is useless without the power supply (the radio needs 13.8 VDC, the ISS provides 120 VDC in the US segment and 28 VDC in the Russian segment). The power supply will allow ham radio equipment to be used anywhere on ISS. The goal is to have this new system aboard ISS about 1 year from now. This assumes that ARISS can raise the remaining funds needed and that no delays occur in NASA testing and certification of the entire system. The new radio system will give ISS a strong 25-watt signal on voice and packet, and is planned to support a variety of operating modes. This system was discussed in presentations at last year?s AMSAT Symposium and you can find details in the 2015 Proceedings. I haven?t seen a schedule, but I expect there will be updates at the Symposium next month. Dave, W8AAS > On Oct 21, 2016, at 6:25 AM, Rich/wa4bue wrote: > > Thought last year a new rig was purchased for the ISS, using donations from AMSAT members. K4AMG donated. What is the status of the new rig???? > > Rich > W4BUE > Founder K4AMG > > -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Cussen > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 3:54 AM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 > > ARISS NEWS RELEASE > > no. 16-09 > > October 20, 2016 > David Jordan, AA4KN > ARISS PR > aa4kn at amsat.org > > > Current Amateur Radio Status on board the International Space Station (ISS) > > The VHF handheld radio model that has been used by the ARISS program > to connect students worldwide with astronauts on board the > International Space Station (ISS) for over 16 years has given an error > message and is unusable at this time. While the ARISS technical team > evaluates the best path to restore operation from the Columbus module, > ARISS contacts will be supported using the Kenwood radio in the > Russian Service Module. During this period, the packet digipeater > will be unavailable. > > Switching to the 70 cm radio capability on board the Columbus module > for some operations is being coordinated. Expect further updates as we > work to resolve this problem. > > About ARISS > > Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a > cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the > space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In > the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite > Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the > Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National > Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of > ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, > and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via > amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in > classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced > amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large > audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these > radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn > about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more > information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. > > > > Also, join us on Facebook: Amateur Radio on the International Space > Station (ARISS) / Follow us on Twitter: ARISS_status > > Contact: > > David Jordan, AA4KN > > ARISS PR , aa4kn at amsat.org > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 21 13:02:38 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:02:38 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? In-Reply-To: <000001d22b8b$d5a6e9a0$80f4bce0$@GMAIL.COM> References: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> <000001d22b8b$d5a6e9a0$80f4bce0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <580A11EE.7090200@cfl.rr.com> I double checked and as far as I know I don't have either of the symptoms you described. I did run into the object problem under WISP32 and changed it to one number less to prevent the conflict. When I run the same keps under WISP32 I get the correct readings with the beacon set to 146.520 and -0 Doppler. So it is working correctly under WISP32. Since it seems to work for you and seeing your display, I'm doing something wrong. So will investigate further. You attachment indicates it should work, so it is something on my end. The only time there is a frequency limitation that I know of is when you go under CAT and try to make a change. There is a frequency limitation there. Reid, W4UPD On 10/21/2016 7:11 AM, Alan wrote: > Dave, > > Never ran into a limit on tracking frequency. It is usually an object number conflict, or failing to > leave a blank line at the end of the DOPPLER.SQF file. Have done both, and more than once. ;) > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > <-----Original Message----- > > > < > < > < > < > <> On Oct 20, 2016, at 11:07 PM, w4upd wrote: > <> > <> I have attempted use SatPC to provide frequency parking at the end of any priority passes. Thanks to > in > <> > <> The problem I am having is that when I put the frequencies I want into DOPPLER.SQF. I entered the > <> > <> TestSat3,146520,436800,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 > <> > <> The name matches the keps. etc. However, nothing displays in the Doppler window. My assumption > use > <> > <> Wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this. > <> > <> The intent was to allow the radio to monitor local frequencies when no satellites were in range then > <> > <> Reid, W4UPD > <> > <> _______________________________________________ > <> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > <> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > <> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > <> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > <> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > < > <_______________________________________________ > > From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 21 13:13:57 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:13:57 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 parking frequency? In-Reply-To: <000001d22b86$a4763cf0$ed62b6d0$@GMAIL.COM> References: <58098687.2050302@cfl.rr.com> <000001d22b86$a4763cf0$ed62b6d0$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <580A1495.5010503@cfl.rr.com> Go figure. I just brought SatPC32 back up this morning and now it is working fine. I ran just its keps, then added it with the other satellites and it is still working. In any case, it appears to be working fine now. Not going to mess with it unless it goes away. Right now, I have the fake Geos sitting at about 3.5 degrees. I figure if I do put up my arrays, they'll stay low for local use. Thanks again Alan for your help and the others that chimed in. Reid, W4UPD On 10/21/2016 6:34 AM, Alan wrote: > Hi Reid, > > I used the original TestSat2 Keps I sent, and your DOPPLER.SQF changed to TestSat2, and it worked as > desired. One thing to check is the object number. I used a "standard made up" number, and if SatPC32 > sees two objects with the same number, it can cause problems. Check in your Keps you don't have > another 99999. > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > > > <-----Original Message----- > > < > in > < > < > < TestSat3,146520,436800,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 > < > use > < > < > < > < > <_______________________________________________ > > > From k.alexander at rogers.com Fri Oct 21 14:45:36 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 10:45:36 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Return to EN95/FN05 Message-ID: <6636aea9-66c8-796b-d760-c35c89082f61@rogers.com> Hi All, Return to EN-95 & FN05 It looks like the weather will be OK this weekend so I can make up for last weekend's rain-out. Schedule below. Visibility from my site on the grid boundary isn't that good. Therefore, I will operate from EN95 in the morning and FN05 in the afternoon as shown below. From EN95 ------------------------------------------------ 22.10.2016 FO-29 14:04 14:15 11 16 092 - 005 22.10.2016 SO-50 14:54 15:03 09 26 258 - 026 22.10.2016 FO-29 15:45 16:02 17 65 150 - 350 22.10.2016 FO-29 17:31 17:46 15 29 207 - 333 From FN05 ------------------------------------------------ 22.10.2016 AO-85 18:54 19:05 11 47 193 - 041 22.10.2016 AO-85 20:35 20:45 10 28 250 - 025 22.10.2016 SO-50 21:43 21:52 09 68 329 - 138 22.10.2016 XW-2F 22:30 22:38 08 60 156 - 352 22.10.2016 XW-2C 22:50 22:58 08 70 172 - 345 73, Ken VE3HLS From kk5do at arrl.net Fri Oct 21 20:58:24 2016 From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:58:24 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT's around the world Message-ID: I have added a link under the AMSAT tab at http://www.amsat.org to other AMSAT's around the world. It was on the old site and never got migrated over. Was easier to just create a new one and here it is. 73...bruce -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards AMSAT Board Member 2016-2018 AMSAT Board Alternate 2015-2016 ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat From kc2lnc at lexcominc.net Fri Oct 21 21:49:56 2016 From: kc2lnc at lexcominc.net (Steve Appleton) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 17:49:56 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage Mast Mounted Preamp(s) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <874A7B00A81F4399A8C54C3C9555EE21@StevePC> I agree that MFJ puts out a inferior product in general. In some cases they put out a product that performs reasonably well for considerably less money. You recommended the SSB product and that would be my first choice if it didn't cost $159 more. I think I can power the Mirage / MFJ preamp from my Yaesu FT-847 directly so the control box isn't a consideration. I have not as yet made a contact with the preamp so I'm still evaluating. Thanks for letting me know about the crosstalk problem. I'll be on the lookout for it. If I find that is the case, I will return and just bite the bullet. QST reviewed the SSB products recently and they were impressed enough to run them at W1AW so that's probably a safe bet. Thx, -Steve KC2LNC From pavelmc at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 17:27:25 2016 From: pavelmc at gmail.com (Pavel Milanes Costa) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:27:25 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 In-Reply-To: References: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> Message-ID: <38abe884-eb8b-d1a0-1c33-a1529c041469@gmail.com> Hi to all, There is a link to get an update at a glance about the to the actual radios being onboard, it's location, uses and it's operational status? 73 Pavel CO7WT. El 21/10/16 a las 03:54, Daniel Cussen escribi?: > ARISS NEWS RELEASE > > no. 16-09 > > October 20, 2016 > David Jordan, AA4KN > ARISS PR > aa4kn at amsat.org > > > Current Amateur Radio Status on board the International Space Station (ISS) > > The VHF handheld radio model that has been used by the ARISS program > to connect students worldwide with astronauts on board the > International Space Station (ISS) for over 16 years has given an error > message and is unusable at this time. While the ARISS technical team > evaluates the best path to restore operation from the Columbus module, > ARISS contacts will be supported using the Kenwood radio in the > Russian Service Module. During this period, the packet digipeater > will be unavailable. > > Switching to the 70 cm radio capability on board the Columbus module > for some operations is being coordinated. Expect further updates as we > work to resolve this problem. > > About ARISS > > Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a > cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the > space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In > the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite > Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the > Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National > Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of > ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, > and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via > amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in > classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced > amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large > audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these > radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn > about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more > information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. > > > > Also, join us on Facebook: Amateur Radio on the International Space > Station (ARISS) / Follow us on Twitter: ARISS_status > > Contact: > > David Jordan, AA4KN > > ARISS PR , aa4kn at amsat.org > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kq6ea at verizon.net Fri Oct 21 22:16:30 2016 From: kq6ea at verizon.net (Jim Jerzycke) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 22:16:30 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage Mast Mounted Preamp(s) In-Reply-To: <874A7B00A81F4399A8C54C3C9555EE21@StevePC> References: <874A7B00A81F4399A8C54C3C9555EE21@StevePC> Message-ID: <55cfc0c1-3be7-beb6-a03d-99a88714f535@verizon.net> You can't go wrong with the SSB preamp. Yes, they're expensive, but you definitely get what you pay for. When I was getting started in satellites, I cut a lot of corners, and did things my way because "I knew better".......NOT! I wound up doing things pretty much the same way the seasoned veterans did, and could have saved myself a LOT of grief and money if I'd just followed their suggestions from the beginning. 73, Jim KQ6EA On 10/21/2016 09:49 PM, Steve Appleton wrote: > I agree that MFJ puts out a inferior product in general. In some cases > they put out a product that performs reasonably well for considerably > less money. You recommended the SSB product and that would be my first > choice if it didn't cost $159 more. > > I think I can power the Mirage / MFJ preamp from my Yaesu FT-847 > directly so the control box isn't a consideration. I have not as yet > made a contact with the preamp so I'm still evaluating. Thanks for > letting me know about the crosstalk problem. I'll be on the lookout > for it. If I find that is the case, I will return and just bite the > bullet. QST reviewed the SSB products recently and they were impressed > enough to run them at W1AW so that's probably a safe bet. > > Thx, > -Steve KC2LNC > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:29:05 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 17:29:05 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help Message-ID: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> Hello everyone, I have a bunch of contacts to enter into Logger32 and I am trying to figure out how to enter my grid square for my location. Any help? I'm also curious how you all log your contacts. Do you keep a separate log just for sats or lump it all together with your hf stuff. I've made a number of contacts activating other grids and just trying to find smooth way to keep track of my contacts and VUCC Thanks, Chad KG0MW Sent from my iPhone From johnbrier at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:29:34 2016 From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 18:29:34 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [ARISS-ops] ARISS News Release no. 16-09 In-Reply-To: <38abe884-eb8b-d1a0-1c33-a1529c041469@gmail.com> References: <12E283F233084C23BAA58F649FFC7FB5@DHJ> <38abe884-eb8b-d1a0-1c33-a1529c041469@gmail.com> Message-ID: This link might be what you're looking for: http://www.ariss.org/current-status-of-iss-stations.html Also there is a lot of detail about the ham operations on the ISS here: http://www.ariss.org/contact-the-iss.html 73, John Brier KG4AKV On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Pavel Milanes Costa wrote: > Hi to all, > > There is a link to get an update at a glance about the to the actual radios > being onboard, it's location, uses and it's operational status? > > 73 Pavel CO7WT. > > > El 21/10/16 a las 03:54, Daniel Cussen escribi?: > >> ARISS NEWS RELEASE >> >> no. 16-09 >> >> October 20, 2016 >> David Jordan, AA4KN >> ARISS PR >> aa4kn at amsat.org >> >> >> Current Amateur Radio Status on board the International Space Station >> (ISS) >> >> The VHF handheld radio model that has been used by the ARISS program >> to connect students worldwide with astronauts on board the >> International Space Station (ISS) for over 16 years has given an error >> message and is unusable at this time. While the ARISS technical team >> evaluates the best path to restore operation from the Columbus module, >> ARISS contacts will be supported using the Kenwood radio in the >> Russian Service Module. During this period, the packet digipeater >> will be unavailable. >> >> Switching to the 70 cm radio capability on board the Columbus module >> for some operations is being coordinated. Expect further updates as we >> work to resolve this problem. >> >> About ARISS >> >> Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a >> cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the >> space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In >> the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite >> Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the >> Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National >> Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of >> ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, >> and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via >> amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in >> classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced >> amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large >> audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these >> radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn >> about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more >> information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org. >> >> >> >> Also, join us on Facebook: Amateur Radio on the International Space >> Station (ARISS) / Follow us on Twitter: ARISS_status >> >> Contact: >> >> David Jordan, AA4KN >> >> ARISS PR , aa4kn at amsat.org >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa6fwf at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:47:10 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:47:10 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help In-Reply-To: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> References: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02b476d6-fa43-fc19-09a5-f61e86154fdc@gmail.com> right click on logbook page, click on setup,grid layout and check the box for gridsquare. 73 wa6fwf On 10/21/2016 3:29 PM, Chad Phillips wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a bunch of contacts to enter into Logger32 and I am trying to figure out how to enter my grid square for my location. Any help? > > I'm also curious how you all log your contacts. Do you keep a separate log just for sats or lump it all together with your hf stuff. I've made a number of contacts activating other grids and just trying to find smooth way to keep track of my contacts and VUCC > > Thanks, > > Chad > KG0MW > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kq6ea at verizon.net Fri Oct 21 23:28:13 2016 From: kq6ea at verizon.net (Jim Jerzycke) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 23:28:13 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help In-Reply-To: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> References: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16f120fc-9278-748e-0123-7c16973136fd@verizon.net> Paper log here. I operate satellites mostly for Field Day, and I just can't handle operating and logging on my PC at the same time. That's followed over to when I operate satellites at home. The only computer logging I do is when I operate HF, and I use ACLog from N3FJP. 73, Jim KQ6EA On 10/21/2016 10:29 PM, Chad Phillips wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a bunch of contacts to enter into Logger32 and I am trying to figure out how to enter my grid square for my location. Any help? > > I'm also curious how you all log your contacts. Do you keep a separate log just for sats or lump it all together with your hf stuff. I've made a number of contacts activating other grids and just trying to find smooth way to keep track of my contacts and VUCC > > Thanks, > > Chad > KG0MW > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From mjohns166 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 00:32:44 2016 From: mjohns166 at yahoo.com (Mark Johns) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 00:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage Mast Mounted Preamp(s) In-Reply-To: <874A7B00A81F4399A8C54C3C9555EE21@StevePC> References: <874A7B00A81F4399A8C54C3C9555EE21@StevePC> Message-ID: <1649288056.6074.1477096364361@mail.yahoo.com> SHF-Elektronik in Germany also makes some excellent mast-mounted preamps that sell for about $130 each. They power through the coax and can switch 150 watts on SSB (50 watts on FM). I've been very happy with mine and they've worked flawlessly for several years now. -- Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 ----------------------------------------------- "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Appleton To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Mirage Mast Mounted Preamp(s) I agree that MFJ puts out a inferior product in general. In some cases they put out a product that performs reasonably well for considerably less money. You recommended the SSB product and that would be my first choice if it didn't cost $159 more. I think I can power the Mirage / MFJ preamp from my Yaesu FT-847 directly so the control box isn't a consideration. I have not as yet made a contact with the preamp so I'm still evaluating. Thanks for letting me know about the crosstalk problem. I'll be on the lookout for it. If I find that is the case, I will return and just bite the bullet. QST reviewed the SSB products recently and they were impressed enough to run them at W1AW so that's probably a safe bet. Thx, -Steve KC2LNC _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From pinoleronica at hotmail.com Sat Oct 22 03:22:30 2016 From: pinoleronica at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rafael_Pe=F1a?=) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 03:22:30 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Lindenblad 2m / 70 cm Satellite Omni Antenna for sale Message-ID: I've bought this dual band system with the hope that I will work my first birds. It did not do too well for me. It might be my area QTH (QRI / QRM broadcasting TV/Radio stations) in DC but I could not hear too well the satellites even if they were at very good elevation. Up for sale it goes.... It is impossible to disassemble the elements on this antenna. So shipping will be kind of delicate particularly for the mast as well. Prefer DC area pickup. There are two sections (2m / 70cm) mounted on an aluminum mast...there is a Super-Amp SP-7000 (430-440MHz) and a Comet CF-4160 (Duplexer, 1.3-170 MHz Low Pass, 350-540 MHz High Pass, 60 dB Isolation, Each) attached to the mast as required for this Lindenblad. You provide your coax. I didn't think to offer it back for sale but rather than keeping it on the back yard...here it goes: Antenna system with Amp / Comet $400 OBO I can make good use of the Amp / Comet if not needed, antenna system only $200 OBO 73 Rafael / NN3RP From ka3hdo at verizon.net Sat Oct 22 09:40:16 2016 From: ka3hdo at verizon.net (KA3HDO) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 05:40:16 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Major Milestone Completed Message-ID: <004601d22c48$4cc01590$e64040b0$@verizon.net> All, You all were asking about the ARISS new hardware status. I sent the missive below to the ARISS team this morning, so here you go. We greatly appreciate the substantial donation from JVC Kenwood of hardware and engineering to realize the next ARISS station. As Dan Cussen noted in an earlier post, the costs and effort to develop and certify equipment for human spaceflight missions is very high. The bulk of this cost is for safety certification testing and hazard reporting expertise. We are estimating that from beginning to end (3 year development cycle), the costs for the new hardware system will be in the $200k range. Note that we are aggressively pursuing real dollar and in-kind donations to address this. But, as you know, every bit of funding helps. That is why we started the ARISS Challenge Coin Donation Campaign this year at the Dayton Hamvention. If anyone has ideas on garnering funds to support the ARISS hardware initiative, please contact me directly at my ka3hdo at amsat.org address. Thanks for all your interest and support to ARISS. 73, Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs ARISS International Chair ***** Yesterday, October 21, 2016, the ARISS hardware team accomplished a very major milestone-the successful completion of the Technical Interchange Meeting (TIM) for the Interoperable Hardware System, which includes the JVC Kenwood D710 Radio and the Multi Voltage Power Supply. The TIM was conducted as an ARISS hardware milestone from the Technical Evaluation and Support (TES) Committee (TES) and our international members from TES were present. The TIM also had subject matter experts from NASA attending and providing advice as well as a former (retired) chief engineer from the NASA Space Communication and Navigation (SCaN) organization. All in all, ARISS received great advice and suggestions on how to move forward with the hardware development. I am most proud that we have completed this first major milestone in the development of the next ARISS hardware upgrade to fly on ISS. On behalf of the ARISS International team, I would like to thank TES co-leads Mark Steiner and Lou McFadin for their leadership in getting the important milestone accomplished. I would also like to thank Kerry Banke, the Multi Voltage Power Supply developer, Bob Davis who is developing the mechanical enclosure for the system, and Bob Bruninga and Dave Taylor for their help on the D710 programming modes. And, of course, special thanks goes to JVC Kenwood and Aota Shin and Phil Parton for their support, equipment and engineering that will serve ARISS and the ham community for years to come. With this milestone completed, we will move forward with the design process and finalize the design with a TIM in the next few months. Our next hurdle will be the Phase 0 safety review which we hope to complete before the end of this year. While aggressive, we are still working with NASA towards an October 2017 launch of the hardware system. As you communicate this important milestone to your friends, please remind them that we cannot complete this effort without funding. Human spaceflight hardware developments are always expensive. They are most welcome to donate towards the hardware development by pushing the "ARISS Donate" button at www.amsat.org . Those that donate $100 or more will receive a special ARISS Commemorative Coin. I thank all of you for all your sustained support and efforts to our ARISS cause over the years. It is hard to believe that we are nearing 20 years of being a team. 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO From mark.g0mgx at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 05:25:26 2016 From: mark.g0mgx at gmail.com (Mark, G0MGX) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 06:25:26 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help In-Reply-To: <16f120fc-9278-748e-0123-7c16973136fd@verizon.net> References: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> <16f120fc-9278-748e-0123-7c16973136fd@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001801d22c24$b2a6db10$17f49130$@gmail.com> Hi Chad If you right click on the call box of the log entry window and then go Setup -> My QTH Lat/Long you will find the place to enter grid square et cetera of your station. If your operations on sats are the same location as your main station then I would use the same log for all from that location (that's what I do). But you can also easily setup different logs for different activities if you prefer. I've been using Logger32 for many year and consider myself fairly savvy with the program - happy to help off reflector if I can. Mark G0MGX -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke Sent: 22 October 2016 00:28 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help Paper log here. I operate satellites mostly for Field Day, and I just can't handle operating and logging on my PC at the same time. That's followed over to when I operate satellites at home. The only computer logging I do is when I operate HF, and I use ACLog from N3FJP. 73, Jim KQ6EA On 10/21/2016 10:29 PM, Chad Phillips wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a bunch of contacts to enter into Logger32 and I am trying to figure out how to enter my grid square for my location. Any help? > > I'm also curious how you all log your contacts. Do you keep a separate log just for sats or lump it all together with your hf stuff. I've made a number of contacts activating other grids and just trying to find smooth way to keep track of my contacts and VUCC > > Thanks, > > Chad > KG0MW > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net Sat Oct 22 16:12:48 2016 From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 12:12:48 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: <739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> References: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com> <739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> Message-ID: I'm interested in the Outernet L-Band service, so today I decided to see if I could at least detect the signal. I really don't have any optimized antenna or preamp but I had an idea. I have an old Trimble 41556 bullet GPS antenna that has a bad output connector on it. GPS is up around 1575 MHz. Depending on the type of antenna used, there can be really tight bandpass filtering that won't pass the ~1539 MHz Outernet signal. So I opened up the antenna and removed the two bandpass filters in the unit. Here are two pics of the parts and the simple bypass I did. This is real meatball surgery Here are the filters. https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9r9pwitjzjjgxq/filters.jpg?dl=0 Here is the LNA with red arrows showing where I removed the filters. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3w6q78kocvzvw3m/Trimble.jpg?dl=0 The patch antenna used for GPS is designed to look at a large portion of the sky at once, so I knew the directional gain wouldn't be great, but what the heck! This is an experiment. I used my FUNcube Dongle as a receiver. This is one of the original ones, but it does have a switchable 5v bias tee on the input. I used this 5 volts to power the GPS antenna. Just pointing the patch out the window, I see this signal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/48fhr38vwhylozz/Outernet.JPG?dl=0 So I have something. I assume it's the Outernet signal? It definitely peaks at the correct AZ/EL for Inmarsat 4-F3 from my location. I do need to check the frequency calibration of my FUNcube as the signal is higher than I expected. The next step will be to use my RTL dongle with appropriate software to see if I decode anything. I could easily use a better/more directional (more gain) antenna connected to the GPS LNA by simply disconnecting the patch. This is fun! Mike -- 73, Mike, N1JEZ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" From kk0sd1 at att.net Sat Oct 22 11:56:34 2016 From: kk0sd1 at att.net (Gary "Joe" Mayfield) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 06:56:34 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help In-Reply-To: <001801d22c24$b2a6db10$17f49130$@gmail.com> References: <4D4AEDA8-83C8-4DA6-84AA-09732369F50A@gmail.com> <16f120fc-9278-748e-0123-7c16973136fd@verizon.net> <001801d22c24$b2a6db10$17f49130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d22c5b$56ff3e60$04fdbb20$@att.net> Chad, Every contact I have ever made is recorded in ACLog from N3FJP. It makes operating from multiple locations and using LOTW easy. I have no affiliation other than being a satisfied customer. Many years ago when I converted my paper logs to digital I used Fast Log Entry http://www.df3cb.com/fle/ it was still a bit of a chore. 73, Joe kk0sd -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mark, G0MGX Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 12:25 AM To: 'Jim Jerzycke' ; amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help Hi Chad If you right click on the call box of the log entry window and then go Setup -> My QTH Lat/Long you will find the place to enter grid square et -> cetera of your station. If your operations on sats are the same location as your main station then I would use the same log for all from that location (that's what I do). But you can also easily setup different logs for different activities if you prefer. I've been using Logger32 for many year and consider myself fairly savvy with the program - happy to help off reflector if I can. Mark G0MGX -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke Sent: 22 October 2016 00:28 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Logger32 Help Paper log here. I operate satellites mostly for Field Day, and I just can't handle operating and logging on my PC at the same time. That's followed over to when I operate satellites at home. The only computer logging I do is when I operate HF, and I use ACLog from N3FJP. 73, Jim KQ6EA On 10/21/2016 10:29 PM, Chad Phillips wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a bunch of contacts to enter into Logger32 and I am trying to figure out how to enter my grid square for my location. Any help? > > I'm also curious how you all log your contacts. Do you keep a separate log just for sats or lump it all together with your hf stuff. I've made a number of contacts activating other grids and just trying to find smooth way to keep track of my contacts and VUCC > > Thanks, > > Chad > KG0MW > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wb3csy at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 18:37:36 2016 From: wb3csy at gmail.com (Rick Walter) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 14:37:36 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: <739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> References: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com> <739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> Message-ID: Thank you for the replies to my questions from a couple of people. The azimuth aiming difference between the two programs is more than my magnetic declination but i'll look at the math again. I really did not expect to hear the bird with a simple discone antenna without a pre-amp but was surprised to see a fairly strong signal using the Funcube Dongle Pro plus. A friend who lives about 3 miles away checked the frequency with his equipment and hears nothing. I figured it had to be local. It may be coming from my Comcast Gateway or telemetry from a local water pumping station. I realize you need the SDR mentioned by the outernet docs but thought I would try the FCD for the fun of it. As always, there are great threads on this bb. Some may say this has nothing to do with amateur radio satellites but I say wait until we get that geosynchronous bird in orbit! This experience will help us in the end. Please keep the outernet info flowing. I know it will help many of us. 73, Rick WB3CSY Sent from Rick's iPhone 6S "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke > On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dani EA4GPZ wrote: > >> El 19/10/16 a las 18:03, Rick Walter escribi?: >> Since reading about the Outernet, I am becoming more curious. I have >> a Funcube Dongle Pro + connected to my discone antenna going into my >> windows 7 laptop, running SDR Console. I am hearing a signal that >> sounds like data with about 2-3 second breaks every so often. The >> frequency is 1,539.793 MHz and I have the decode in Data USB 24 KHz >> bandwidth. The signal is -60 dBM on the signal strength meter. Is it >> possible I am hearing this signal from the bird or could it be a >> local source? I already have 4 versions of the Raspberry Pi but >> figured this would be a reason to purchase the version 3! We all need >> a good excuse to present to the XYL. > > Hi Rick, > > The signal you describe doesn't seem to me like Outernet's signal. > Outernet's signal is a bit more than 4kHz wide and it doesn't have any > breaks in it. > > -60dBm on your SDR software doesn't really mean anything unless you have > calibrated your signal meter (and -60dBm would be way too high for > Outernet's signal). What is strength of the noise floor? > > Some 10's of kHz above Outernet you have 2 other signals from the same > Inmarsat satellite. They are a bit narrower than Outernet and much more > stronger (perhaps 10dB even). I would use those to check if you hear the > bird. > > I haven't run the numbers, but I wouldn't expect that you'll be able to > hear Outernet with a discone and no LNA. In my experience the FUNcube > Dongle Pro+ is not very good at 1.5GHz (but I haven't done any serious > tests), and if you have a long cable run from the antenna to the dongle, > then you definitely need an LNA. > > By the way, Outernet's software doesn't support the FUNcube dongle, only > the RTL-SDR or MiriSDR. You may want to look at > https://github.com/daniestevez/gr-outernet > which supports any SDR that works in GNUradio. > >> Finally, I keep thinking if I get all the components to grab this >> data, is it really worth it other than to say I did it? Thanks for >> any guidance or comments. Rick - WB3CSY > > That's something you'll have to decide for yourself. What you currently > get is: > > * An hourly small file with a listing of all APRS packets sent through > satellites or the ISS and all APRS packets containing the word OUTNET. > * Some grib files with the weather (most useful to sailors) > * Some other weather data > * Random (most popular) wikipedia pages > > Most of the bandwidth is spent with wikipedia pages, and the bandwidth > is not so high: you can only get about 15MB worth of files per day. > > Of course you could get the same content on the internet. > > If you just want to see how it looks like, I have several brief SDR > recordings and recordings of Outernet frames that can be used with > https://github.com/daniestevez/free-outernet/ > > One reason to get the hardware for Outernet (LNA and perhaps patch > antenna) is that it can be used used not only to receive Outernet but > many other things on the L-band. > > > 73, > > Dani EA4GPZ. > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From scott23192 at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 20:09:11 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:09:11 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: References: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com><739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> Message-ID: <9A8CCB9F8A414FF59CB24A55FD412BF2@CSI9020> It is fun, Mike. If you'd told me a year ago that I would be receiving something from geosynchronous orbit, or anything at all above 1GHz, I would have asked what you were drinking! But, thanks to a lot of talented & generous programmers in the amateur community, not only can we receive satellite data streams but many of them can be decoded. As for L-band transmissions from Inmarsat 4-F3 (my only point of reference), it's become apparent to me that there is considerable variation in both bandwidth and signal strength across the spectrum. As luck would have it, the Outernet signal is weaker & more narrow than most of what you see up there. I guess it's safe to assume that you get what you pay for! Still, it's a completely receivable signal. I'd like to offer a couple of screen shots that might help you get familiar with what to expect. You can best spot the Outernet signal because there are two stronger signals to the right of it. If you'd like to look at these images, you can see what to expect. (Outernet data stream is on the left) http://k4kdr.github.io/files/outernet/2016-10-06--Outernet-HDSDR.png -and- http://k4kdr.github.io/files/outernet/2016-10-14--Outernet-GQRX.png ... finally, if you'd like to see a broader view of what is coming down from Inmarsat 4-F3, I posted a screen shot from SDRSharp the other day as one of several images in a Tweet: https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/786804580625428482 Hope some of that might help! -Scott, K4KDR -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mike Seguin Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 12:12 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service I'm interested in the Outernet L-Band service, so today I decided to see if I could at least detect the signal. I really don't have any optimized antenna or preamp but I had an idea. I have an old Trimble 41556 bullet GPS antenna that has a bad output connector on it. GPS is up around 1575 MHz. Depending on the type of antenna used, there can be really tight bandpass filtering that won't pass the ~1539 MHz Outernet signal. So I opened up the antenna and removed the two bandpass filters in the unit. Here are two pics of the parts and the simple bypass I did. This is real meatball surgery Here are the filters. https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9r9pwitjzjjgxq/filters.jpg?dl=0 Here is the LNA with red arrows showing where I removed the filters. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3w6q78kocvzvw3m/Trimble.jpg?dl=0 The patch antenna used for GPS is designed to look at a large portion of the sky at once, so I knew the directional gain wouldn't be great, but what the heck! This is an experiment. I used my FUNcube Dongle as a receiver. This is one of the original ones, but it does have a switchable 5v bias tee on the input. I used this 5 volts to power the GPS antenna. Just pointing the patch out the window, I see this signal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/48fhr38vwhylozz/Outernet.JPG?dl=0 So I have something. I assume it's the Outernet signal? It definitely peaks at the correct AZ/EL for Inmarsat 4-F3 from my location. I do need to check the frequency calibration of my FUNcube as the signal is higher than I expected. The next step will be to use my RTL dongle with appropriate software to see if I decode anything. I could easily use a better/more directional (more gain) antenna connected to the GPS LNA by simply disconnecting the patch. This is fun! Mike -- 73, Mike, N1JEZ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" From mjohns166 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 22 20:32:25 2016 From: mjohns166 at yahoo.com (Mark Johns) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 20:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem References: <581023436.400529.1477168345220.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> For some reason, my SatPC32 has stopped correctly compensating for Doppler shift on FO-29. I'm continually having to "find myself" all over the passband, making adjustments throughout the pass, just like the old days when everything was manual. I've updated the Keps. I marked the uplink and downlink freqs at time of closest approach on a high-elevation pass, and re-edited my Doppler.SQF with those numbers. SatPC32 is talking to the rig, and it does make regular changes to both uplink and downlink frequencies -- they just happen not to be correct. I'm stumped! Any thoughts?-- Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 ----------------------------------------------- "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net Sat Oct 22 21:02:22 2016 From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 17:02:22 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service In-Reply-To: <9A8CCB9F8A414FF59CB24A55FD412BF2@CSI9020> References: <1AA7C79D-ED1C-4599-BD51-97AB00BB2BA4@gmail.com> <739376b1-cfc2-edfc-b408-0db0230c2f5f@destevez.net> <9A8CCB9F8A414FF59CB24A55FD412BF2@CSI9020> Message-ID: Hi Scott, Tnx for the images. Big help! So I am seeing Inmarsat, but I need more gain. Time to dig out a WA5VJB log periodic and AD6IW preamp I have here and see what that does. Mike On 10/22/2016 4:09 PM, Scott wrote: > It is fun, Mike. If you'd told me a year ago that I would be receiving > something from geosynchronous orbit, or anything at all above 1GHz, I > would have asked what you were drinking! > > But, thanks to a lot of talented & generous programmers in the amateur > community, not only can we receive satellite data streams but many of > them can be decoded. > > As for L-band transmissions from Inmarsat 4-F3 (my only point of > reference), it's become apparent to me that there is considerable > variation in both bandwidth and signal strength across the spectrum. As > luck would have it, the Outernet signal is weaker & more narrow than > most of what you see up there. I guess it's safe to assume that you get > what you pay for! > > Still, it's a completely receivable signal. > > I'd like to offer a couple of screen shots that might help you get > familiar with what to expect. You can best spot the Outernet signal > because there are two stronger signals to the right of it. If you'd > like to look at these images, you can see what to expect. (Outernet data > stream is on the left) > > http://k4kdr.github.io/files/outernet/2016-10-06--Outernet-HDSDR.png > > -and- > > http://k4kdr.github.io/files/outernet/2016-10-14--Outernet-GQRX.png > > ... finally, if you'd like to see a broader view of what is coming down > from Inmarsat 4-F3, I posted a screen shot from SDRSharp the other day > as one of several images in a Tweet: > > https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/786804580625428482 > > Hope some of that might help! > > -Scott, K4KDR > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Seguin > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 12:12 PM > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band Service > > I'm interested in the Outernet L-Band service, so today I decided to see > if I could at least detect the signal. I really don't have any optimized > antenna or preamp but I had an idea. > > I have an old Trimble 41556 bullet GPS antenna that has a bad output > connector on it. GPS is up around 1575 MHz. Depending on the type of > antenna used, there can be really tight bandpass filtering that won't > pass the ~1539 MHz Outernet signal. > > So I opened up the antenna and removed the two bandpass filters in the > unit. Here are two pics of the parts and the simple bypass I did. This > is real meatball surgery > > Here are the filters. > https://www.dropbox.com/s/t9r9pwitjzjjgxq/filters.jpg?dl=0 > > Here is the LNA with red arrows showing where I removed the filters. > https://www.dropbox.com/s/3w6q78kocvzvw3m/Trimble.jpg?dl=0 > > The patch antenna used for GPS is designed to look at a large portion of > the sky at once, so I knew the directional gain wouldn't be great, but > what the heck! This is an experiment. > > I used my FUNcube Dongle as a receiver. This is one of the original > ones, but it does have a switchable 5v bias tee on the input. I used > this 5 volts to power the GPS antenna. > > Just pointing the patch out the window, I see this signal: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/48fhr38vwhylozz/Outernet.JPG?dl=0 > > So I have something. I assume it's the Outernet signal? It definitely > peaks at the correct AZ/EL for Inmarsat 4-F3 from my location. I do need > to check the frequency calibration of my FUNcube as the signal is higher > than I expected. > > The next step will be to use my RTL dongle with appropriate software to > see if I decode anything. I could easily use a better/more directional > (more gain) antenna connected to the GPS LNA by simply disconnecting the > patch. > > This is fun! > > Mike -- 73, Mike, N1JEZ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" From pconver at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 21:07:26 2016 From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 18:07:26 -0300 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem In-Reply-To: <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> References: <581023436.400529.1477168345220.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, I have used for FO-29 this pair of central frequencies: FO-29,435851.95,145951.6,USB,LSB,REV,0,0,Transponder they are working for me on an FT-736R. These are used on http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm using wispDDE Hope you get on sync with this nice Sat. 73, lu7abf, Pedro Converso On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote: > For some reason, my SatPC32 has stopped correctly compensating for Doppler shift on FO-29. I'm continually having to "find myself" all over the passband, making adjustments throughout the pass, just like the old days when everything was manual. > > I've updated the Keps. I marked the uplink and downlink freqs at time of closest approach on a high-elevation pass, and re-edited my Doppler.SQF with those numbers. > > SatPC32 is talking to the rig, and it does make regular changes to both uplink and downlink frequencies -- they just happen not to be correct. > > I'm stumped! Any thoughts?-- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, > you would stay out and your dog would go in." > ---Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wao at vfr.net Sun Oct 23 02:20:00 2016 From: wao at vfr.net (Joseph Spier) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 19:20:00 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-297 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins Message-ID: <84a7394c-71a4-4390-3d1a-5e922c777287@vfr.net> AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-297 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-editor at amsat.org. In this edition: * VHF Handheld Radio Failed, ARISS Contacts Moved to Kenwood Radio on Board the International Space Station (ISS) * New ARISS Equipment Completes Major Milestone, Donations Still Needed * ESEO Satellite Project * iCubeSat 2017 Workshop * 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Registration Still Open * ARISS Proposal Window Closes November 1, 2016 * AMSAT Events * ARISS News * Satellite Shorts From All Over SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-297.01 ANS-297 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins AMSAT News Service Bulletin 297.01 >From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD. DATE October 23, 2016 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-297.01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- VHF Handheld Radio Failed, ARISS Contacts Moved to Kenwood Radio on Board the International Space Station (ISS) The VHF handheld radio model that has been used by the ARISS program to connect students worldwide with astronauts on board the International Space Station (ISS) for over 16 years has given an error message and is unusable at this time. While the ARISS technical team evaluates the best path to restore operation from the Columbus module, ARISS contacts will be supported using the Kenwood radio in the Russian Service Module. During this period, the packet digipeater will be unavailable. Switching to the 70 cm radio capability on board the Columbus module for some operations is being coordinated. Expect further updates as we work to resolve this problem. Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org www.amsat.org www.arrl.org. [ANS thanks ARISS, and Dave Jordan, AA4KN for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- New ARISS Equipment Completes Major Milestone, Donations Still Needed Yesterday, October 21, 2016, the ARISS hardware team accomplished a very major milestone ? the successful completion of the Technical Interchange Meeting (TIM)for the Interoperable Hardware System, which includes the JVC Kenwood D710 Radio and the Multi Voltage Power Supply. The TIM was conducted as an ARISS hardware milestone from the Technical Evaluation and Support (TES) Committee and our international members from TES were present. The TIM also had subject matter experts from NASA attending and providing advice as well as a former (retired) chief engineer from the NASA Space Communication and Navigation (SCaN) organization. All in all, ARISS received great advice and suggestions on how to move forward with the hardware development. I am most proud that we have completed this first major milestone in the development of the next ARISS hardware upgrade to fly on ISS. On behalf of the ARISS International team, I would like to thank TES co-leads Mark Steiner and Lou McFadin for their leadership in getting the important milestone accomplished. I would also like to thank Kerry Banke, the Multi Voltage Power Supply developer, Bob Davis who is developing the mechanical enclosure for the system, and Bob Bruninga and Dave Taylor for their help on the D710 programming modes. And, of course, special thanks goes to JVC Kenwood and Aota Shin and Phil Parton for their support, equipment and engineering that will serve ARISS and the ham community for years to come. With this milestone completed, we will move forward with the design process and finalize the design with a TIM in the next few months. Our next hurdle will be the Phase 0 safety review which we hope to complete before the end of this year. While aggressive, we are still working with NASA towards an October 2017 launch of the hardware system. The costs and effort to develop and certify equipment for human spaceflight missions is very high. The bulk of this cost is for safety certification testing and hazard reporting expertise. We have estimated that from beginning to end (a 3 year development cycle), the costs for the new hardware system are in the $200k range. Note that we are aggressively pursuing real dollar and in-kind donations to address this. But, as you know, every bit of funding helps. That is why we started the ARISS Challenge Coin Donation Campaign this year at the Dayton Hamvention. As you communicate this important milestone to your friends, please remind them that we cannot complete this effort without funding. Human spaceflight hardware developments are always expensive. They are most welcome to donate towards the hardware development by pushing the ?ARISS Donate? button at www.amsat.org. Those that donate $100 or more will receive a special ARISS Commemorative Coin. I thank all of you for all your sustained support and efforts to our ARISS cause over the years. It is hard to believe that we are nearing 20 years of ARISS being a team. [ANS thanks Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, ARISS Chairman for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ESEO Satellite Project Here is a brief update on the ESEO Satellite project which may be of interest. "A team of 3 from AMSAT-UK and Surrey Space Center visited Forli in Italy this week where the engineering model of the ESEO satellite is being assembled. During the visit, the team began work integrating the AMSAT payload into ESEO, confirming successful 2 way communication communication via the satellites CAN bus. They also checked the transmission of educational telemetry at 1200 and 4800 bits per second and tested the L band to VHF FM transponder. ESEO, The European Student Earth Orbiter, is a 50kg satellite from ESA Education incorporating payloads from AMSAT-UK and Universities around Europe." [ANS thanks David, G0MRF, and AMSAT-UK for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- iCubeSat 2017 Workshop iCubeSat 2017 - the 6th Interplanetary CubeSat Workshop will be held 30-31 May 2017 in Cambridge, United Kingdom. The full call for papers and presentations can be found at www.iCubeSat.org iCubeSat 2017, the 6th Interplanetary CubeSat Workshop, will address the technical challenges, opportunities, and practicalities of interplanetary space exploration with CubeSats. The workshop provides a unique environment for open wide ranging practical collaboration between academic researchers, industry professionals, policy makers and students developing this new and rapidly growing field. The papers and presentations from previous workshops at Caltech, Cornell, Imperial, MIT and Oxford may be found at: https://icubesat.org/ You can see the presentations from this years workshop at Oxford at the following link: https://icubesat.org/archive/2016-2/icubesat-program-2016 [ANS thanks Micheal, iCubeSat 2017 Committee for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Registration Still Open If you are an Individual attending Symposium on board the CARNIVAL LIBERTY departing Galveston, TX on November 10, you must register to attend the AMSAT Space Symposium & Annual Meeting through AMSAT. Cruise arrangements made through Carnival Cruise Lines does not include the registration fee for the Symposium itself. There are three options to register for Symposium: -Complete and mail to the AMSAT Office the 2016 Symposium Registration Form that was sent to all AMSAT members back in July along with the BoD ballot along with payment; -Call the AMSAT Office (301-822-4376) and speak with AMSAT Office Manager Martha Saragovitz ; or -Use the AMSAT Store (store.amsat.org) by selecting the ?2016 AMSAT-NA Symposium Registration? link found under ?Bestsellers? on the right hand side of the store?s main page. Registration for the Symposium is $40.00 and includes a copy of the ?Proceedings? that contains papers written for the Symposium as well as technical documentation that AMSAT is placing in the public domain. The ?Proceedings? will be available to attendees onboard ship. In addition, the registration provides a means to confirm the number of individuals in your party planning to attend the AMSAT Banquet as well as an opportunity to reserve seats for the Field Ops Breakfast. Both meals are open to anyone wishing to attend (AMSAT Registration is not necessary) and there is no charge for either event as food is included in your cruise package. However, by indicating how many individuals will be attending, it helps to ensure that sufficient seating is made available for each activity. As the AMSAT Office will not be open after Monday, 7 NOV 16 through that week, we ask that your Symposium Registration be received at the AMSAT office by Friday, 4 NOV 16. [ANS thanks 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium Committee for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS Proposal Window Closes November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. [ANS thanks ARISS for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMSAT Events Information about AMSAT activities at other important events around the country. Examples of these events are radio club meetings where AMSAT Area Coordinators give presentations, demonstrations of working amateur satellites, and hamfests with an AMSAT presence (a table with AMSAT literature and merchandise, sometimes also with presentations, forums, and/or demonstrations). *Thursday-Monday, 10-14 November 2016 ? 2106 AMSAT Space Symposium, Symposium at Sea, on Carnival Liberty, Galveston TX to Cozumel and return *Saturday, 12 November 2016 ? Oro Valley Amateur Radio Club Hamfest in Marana AZ *Saturday, 3 December 2016 ? Superstition Superfest in Mesa AZ *Saturday, 14 January 2017 ? Thunderbird Hamfest 2017 in Phoenix AZ *Saturday, 4 February 2017 ? Palm Springs Hamfest in Palm Springs CA *Friday-Sunday, 10-12 February 2017 Orlando HamCation in Orlando, FL *Friday and Saturday, 17-18 February 2017 ? Yuma Hamfest in Yuma AZ [ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS News Successful Contacts * Howell L. Watkins Middle School, Palm Beach Gardens, Florida direct via N4J. The ISS callsign was scheduled to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut is Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Mon 2016-10-17 16:08:00 UTC Right from AOS full quieting! All 20 questions asked and a farewell by all the students transmitted. Contact duration 9 mins 30 seconds. At 16:15 UTC not sure if it was low audio or a signal issue but question 20 had to be repeated. Live streamed over the school network to about 900 students. Media coverage was 2 newspapers and TV station. There were about 90 students present. * University of Nebraska's Peter Kiewit Institute, Omaha NE, telebridge via VK4KHZ. The ISS callsign was scheduled to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut was Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Contact was successful: Sat 2016-10-15 14:00:08 UTC 29 deg This was a JOTA event. An estimate of audience was 5,750. We had 19 of 20 scouts interview Dr. Rubins. The last question was at LOS, but Astronaut Mike Fossum (who was at the event) answered for Dr. Rubins. There was low audio from the event, but Shane, VK4KHZ relayed the questions to the ISS. * Stephen F. Austin Elementary School, Brazosport ISD, Jones Creek, Texas, telebridge via VK5ZAI The ISS callsign was scheduled to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut was Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Contact was successful: Mon 2016-10-10 16:46:00 UTC Takuya Onishi answered 24 questions. About 400 students, teachers and parents were in the audience. Reporters from two small local newspapers were also in attendance. Upcoming Contacts * Istituto Comprensivo ?Marco da Melo?, Mel, Italy, direct via IQ3FL The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS. The scheduled astronaut is Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD. Contact is presently scheduled for: Sat 2016-11-05 09:32:10 UTC 76 deg Watch http://www.ariss.org/upcoming-contacts.html for information about upcoming contacts as they are scheduled. [ANS thanks ARISS, Dave, AA4KN, and Charlie, AJ9N for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Satellite Shorts From All Over AMSAT's Around the World A new link has been created under the AMSAT pull-down tab at http://www.amsat.org or directly http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=5618 which list the links to all the other AMSAT's around the world. A webpage like this was on the old AMSAT site and never got migrated over. A new webpage has been created. Check it out! [ANS thanks Bruce Paige, KK5DO, AMSAT BOD Member for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- /EX In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi- tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT Office. Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu- dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status. Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership information. 73, This week's ANS Editor, Joe Spier, K6WAO k6wao at amsat dot org From ka3hsw at att.net Sun Oct 23 04:23:30 2016 From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 23:23:30 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem References: <581023436.400529.1477168345220.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F152DD01AF3479B89EB2F0F2A8425CD@parents> How accurate is the time on your computer? If it's not dead on, that can mess with your doppler correction... 73, George, KA3HSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB" To: "AMSAT BB" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:32 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem > For some reason, my SatPC32 has stopped correctly compensating for Doppler > shift on FO-29. I'm continually having to "find myself" all over the > passband, making adjustments throughout the pass, just like the old days > when everything was manual. > > I've updated the Keps. I marked the uplink and downlink freqs at time of > closest approach on a high-elevation pass, and re-edited my Doppler.SQF > with those numbers. > > SatPC32 is talking to the rig, and it does make regular changes to both > uplink and downlink frequencies -- they just happen not to be correct. > > I'm stumped! Any thoughts?-- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tosca005 at umn.edu Sun Oct 23 05:04:07 2016 From: tosca005 at umn.edu (John Toscano) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 00:04:07 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Crossed polarity dual band single feed yagi In-Reply-To: <20161020144852.Horde.awcC0UY7KBhyK7vGduli9lY@webmail.satavirtual.org> References: <20161020111622.Horde._eyU21K69A-o32c3Geu5Qib@webmail.satavirtual.org> <20161020144852.Horde.awcC0UY7KBhyK7vGduli9lY@webmail.satavirtual.org> Message-ID: What about putting the VHF elements at a 45 degree angle to the UHF elements? Say, for example, the VHF elements were vertical and horizontal, then the UHF elements would be the two diagonals, up-to-the-right and down-to-the-right. That might help to reduce interference between the two bands. This would (at least theoretically) allow the VHF and UHF elements to be interspersed within one another. One VHF feed and one UHF feed could start at nearly the same boom position, and the second VHF feed could be spaced 1/4 of the VHF frequency forward, while the second UHF feed could be spaced 1/4 of the UHF frequency (i.e., about a third as far of a distance) forward. I suppose it could get pretty crowded on the boom, but it is at least theoretically possible. I'd be curious to see what a NEC simulation predicts. On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Hi Rico, > > Thank you for that explanation. > > The main problem here is that the original antenna has the UHF elements > just to help the VHF tune into UHF. It's not a true dual feed VHF/UHF. > So if I get this concept in circular polarisation it'll always be for the > VHF leaving UHF to the mercy of a low gain. > > The simulation confirms that the gain will bend into an elliptical > polarisation, but not that significant. > > It's tricky alright. > > Here are the calculations from 4nec2. > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/single_VHF.png > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/single_UHF.png > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/3inch_VHF.png > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/3inch_UHF.png > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/16inch_VHF.png > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6751494/16inch_UHF.png > > 73s Pedro > CU2ZG > > > Quoting Rico van Genugten : > > Hi Pedro, >> >> I have thought about this subject a lot. How to build an antenna that is >> single boom, dual band, circularly polarized. I have come to the >> conclusion >> that it is pretty difficult due to the following considerations: >> >> - To create a circularly polarized antenna a phase shift of 1/4 wl is >> needed. A phase shift can be obtained through physical distance on the >> boom, or a difference in feed line length. >> >> - When a phase shift of 0 is produced, for instance when the elements are >> on the same location on the boom and there is no feed line difference, you >> will end up with a diagonal linear polarized antenna. Think about it: You >> have two perpendicular linear antennas in the same plane, the resultant >> will be the summation of the two antennes: a diagonal antenna. >> >> - When a phase shift of anything in between 0 and 1/4 wl (or any multiple) >> is produced, the antenna polarization is somewhere between linear and >> circular: it will be elliptically polarized. This will mean that it is not >> completely deaf in one plane like a linear antenna, but will have a gain >> optimum in a particular plane and a gain minimum in a plane perpendicular >> to it. >> >> - 1/4 wl spacing on UHF is (obviously) not the same as 1/4 wl spacing on >> VHF, but if you use open-sleeve feeding (2 feed points) there is no way to >> manipulate either the position on the boom or the feed line difference for >> VHF and UHF independently >> >> - If you use 4 feed points you have full control of the placing of the >> four >> antennas on the boom and the feed line differences and are probably able >> to >> produce a true single boom, dual band, circularly polarized antenna, but >> the VHF and UHF antennas will influence each other so strongly that you >> will probably end up placing the UHF antenna after the last element of the >> VHF antenna, leaving you with either a very long boom or very little gain. >> >> My two cents. :) >> >> 73, Rico >> PA3RVG >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pedro via AMSAT-BB >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> The best of ham radio is that you can build and experiment. >>> >>> My current portable yagi is a dualband single fed (VHF element) home >>> built, from DK7ZB designs, 4+5 elements version. VHF has 9.25dB gain >>> 1.03SWR, UHF 8.67dB 1.12SWR. >>> It works like a charm. >>> >>> Now that I'm on the final stages of condo permits for a tower - although >>> it's a tower on top of the building there are still space limitations - >>> my >>> goal is to build a crossed polarity set of my portable antenna. Something >>> similar to what Gulf Alpha had, but instead of 4 feed points, one for >>> each >>> band/polarisation, I'll have only two, combined into one impedance >>> matched >>> feed line to the shack. >>> >>> Due to the required materials for the feed points and the elements >>> positions I came up with 2 versions where the vertical antenna is ahead >>> of >>> the horizontal by 3 inches and 16 inches. My understanding is that >>> circular >>> polarisation would require a specific position for the vertical antenna >>> plus the proper cable circuit for it. >>> I'm aware that RHCP would give me a stable signal reception, rather than >>> my setup even tilted 45 degrees instead of plain horizontal/vertical. I >>> saw >>> PU3GUO report on his VHF only antenna while receiving ANDE. >>> >>> I've ran the model in 4nec2 for the two options, 145MHz and 435MHz, and >>> using 5W. Here are my findings. >>> >>> 3 inches separation: >>> >>> VHF >>> Both antennas 1.03SWR >>> Combined gain 9.25dB >>> >>> UHF >>> Both antennas 1.12SWR >>> Combined gain 8.67dB >>> >>> 16 inches separation: >>> >>> VHF >>> Both antennas 1.03SWR >>> Combined gain 9.24dB >>> >>> UHF >>> Horizontal antenna 1.12SWR; Vertical antenna 1.49SWR >>> Combined gain 8.27dB >>> >>> >>> My conclusion is that advancing the vertical antenna by so many inches >>> will result in interference from the horizontal one in such way that the >>> gain is lower and SWR increases. >>> Gain in UHF is lower, expected as same happens in my current portable >>> antenna, and that's because it's being fed in the VHF element. >>> >>> Has anyone built something similar that can share any comments? >>> Would there be any other configuration possible for a single boom? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> 73s de Pedro >>> CU2ZG, HM77 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. 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Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From pe0sat at vgnet.nl Sun Oct 23 08:00:40 2016 From: pe0sat at vgnet.nl (PE0SAT | Amateur Radio) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:00:40 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem In-Reply-To: <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> References: <581023436.400529.1477168345220.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5f1cd048000867eeed5a2807bf88e559@vgnet.nl> Hello Mark, Make sure location, time, summer/winter time and time zone are correct. 73 Jan PE0SAT On 22-10-2016 22:32, Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote: > For some reason, my SatPC32 has stopped correctly compensating for > Doppler shift on FO-29. I'm continually having to "find myself" all > over the passband, making adjustments throughout the pass, just like > the old days when everything was manual. > > I've updated the Keps. I marked the uplink and downlink freqs at time > of closest approach on a high-elevation pass, and re-edited my > Doppler.SQF with those numbers. > > SatPC32 is talking to the rig, and it does make regular changes to > both uplink and downlink frequencies -- they just happen not to be > correct. > > I'm stumped! Any thoughts?-- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, > you would stay out and your dog would go in." > ---Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/ DK3WN SatBlog http://www.dk3wn.info/p/ irc://chat.freenode.net #Cubesat - Twitter @pe0sat From erich.eichmann at t-online.de Sun Oct 23 10:36:17 2016 From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:36:17 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem In-Reply-To: <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> References: <581023436.400529.1477168345220.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Mark, try the following: Track a FO-29 pass and find your signal using the "Upl. Corr." up/down controls in menu "CAT". Fine tune the uplink for best audio (best around the middle of the pass). Then click the "Change/Store Data File" in menu "CAT" and in the little window that opens click on "Upl. Correction". That will save the correct uplink frequency. That is easier and more reliable than to enter observed frequencies manually in Doppler. SQF. At the next program start you should immediately hear your signal. Little deviations (100 ... 300 Hz) may remain due to temperature differences at the sat or the radio. You can easily correct them using the ? keys of the numerical pad with a few hits in steps of 100 Hz. (The keys work only if SatPC32 must be the active program - blue header line). 73s, Erich, DK1TB Am 22.10.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB: > For some reason, my SatPC32 has stopped correctly compensating for Doppler shift on FO-29. I'm continually having to "find myself" all over the passband, making adjustments throughout the pass, just like the old days when everything was manual. > > I've updated the Keps. I marked the uplink and downlink freqs at time of closest approach on a high-elevation pass, and re-edited my Doppler.SQF with those numbers. > > SatPC32 is talking to the rig, and it does make regular changes to both uplink and downlink frequencies -- they just happen not to be correct. > > I'm stumped! Any thoughts?-- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, > you would stay out and your dog would go in." > ---Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > Sent viaAMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings:http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Sun Oct 23 14:55:37 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 09:55:37 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems Message-ID: I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year absence. I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. I've played the DX and contesting on HF. All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most happiness than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, But This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm just about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. I am in the need of help with prediction programs. Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a Oscar Locator. Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! Except for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing several to see what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and there always is a "BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" The four I have installed are... SatLookDown1_28 HRDSatTrack Orbitron SatPC32 Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate to less than a tenth of a second. Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their data. The run them. The, SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the second. But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! Now the ones that agree also match the page http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct passes? Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... Just let me know, Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From planophore at aei.ca Sun Oct 23 15:25:30 2016 From: planophore at aei.ca (Graham) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 15:25:30 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48919924-854d-d6db-f341-0c6d992e3740@aei.ca> Joe, I feel your pain. Back in the Oscar 7/8 and RS10 (et al) days, all I had was a simple program written in BASIC for which I had to manually update the element sets and which only provided a prediction rather than a "real time" view. It all seemed so much simpler and to some degree more satisfying. Skip forward 35 to 40 years and we have all these wonderful near real time "ultra cool software programs", multiple computer platforms and operating systems (Windows, Apple OS, Linux, Android) and the choices are many, the learning curve can be steep, and it is easy to get frustrated. From your list I have only first hand experience with Orbitron. The one I decided on is not in your list - GPREDICT. I quickly settled on GPREDICT because to me at least it was intuitive and useable on at least Windows and LINUX. Generally I leave it running on a Raspberry Pi 3 and a dedicated monitor showing the various Amateur and Weather satellites in which I have an interest. Predictions are always spot on. I typically hear whatever satellite I am waiting for within a few seconds of the indicated AOS. To be fair, I also have own GPS disciplined NTP time server which serves precise time to all of my networked computers plus I run NTP on each computer on the network. I check them regularly to unsure that all are correct. Keeping you computer's time correct is the first hurdle. Having the correct time to the a couple of seconds is more than adequate in this case and if you have in interest in something like WSPR then within a second is usually sufficient. The next hurdle is to get your latitude, longitude, and altitude set correctly in the program of your choice. Latitude and longitude need to have the correct quadrant be it specified as N S E or W or + for N, - for S, - for W, and + for E, and as precise as you can. But this you already know given your experience with the other modes you have listed. Altitude is also important but needn't be that precise but ensuring the right units is, i.e. ft or meters as required by the program. But again, I think you are already aware of this. I am just being complete in my reply. Once all of your configurations are set correctly, I can't see these programs all giving different answers. It is possible but the underlying math is pretty much all the same for each of the programs. cheers, Graham ve3gtc On 2016-10-23 14:55, Joe wrote: > I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year > absence. > I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. > I've played the DX and contesting on HF. > All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most > happiness than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's > > Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, > But This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm > just about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. > > I am in the need of help with prediction programs. > > Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a > Oscar Locator. > > Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! > Except for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing > several to see what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and > there always is a "BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" > The four I have installed are... > SatLookDown1_28 > HRDSatTrack > Orbitron > SatPC32 > > Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate > to less than a tenth of a second. > > Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let > them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their > data. > > The run them. > > The, > SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the > second. > > But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. > > And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! > > Now the ones that agree also match the page > > http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# > > So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. > > Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct > passes? > > Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... > Just let me know, > > Joe WB9SBD From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 23 15:38:59 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 11:38:59 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <580CD993.7090202@cfl.rr.com> I run most of those programs without any problems. I even run old Instantrak under DosBox, and WISP32. This all runs on a 64-bit Laptop Windows 10 system. SatPC32 needs to have the correct coordinates put in. You have to make sure that the longitude and latitude are the correct polarity as well. On WISP32 I merely have to make sure they are west/east or north/south. I would definitely check your system time and date as well as QTH settings. Insure the time displayed is correct based on your settings in regards to local or UTC. I find that all of my programs come within seconds are less of each other for tracking. Reid. W4UPD On 10/23/2016 10:55 AM, Joe wrote: > I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year > absence. > I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. > I've played the DX and contesting on HF. > All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most > happiness than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's > > Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, > But This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm > just about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. > > I am in the need of help with prediction programs. > > Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a > Oscar Locator. > > Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! > Except for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing > several to see what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and > there always is a "BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" > The four I have installed are... > SatLookDown1_28 > HRDSatTrack > Orbitron > SatPC32 > > Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate > to less than a tenth of a second. > > Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let > them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their > data. > > The run them. > > The, > SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the > second. > > But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. > > And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! > > Now the ones that agree also match the page > > http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# > > So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. > > Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct > passes? > > Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... > Just let me know, > > Joe WB9SBD From pconver at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:15:47 2016 From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:15:47 -0300 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joe, Nice you are back on chasing birds ! Hope you get along and enjoy. Thanks! for your comments on http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm. This app keplerians are updated 4 times per day, so don't need to update, it should take your location, local time and timezone by itself, further new sats get automatically its way into the application since launched. Pass should also work on all sort of browsers and Op.Systems as well as portable devices running android (smartphones, tablets, etc) allowing to work birds on the field. If using win, you can try the executable version at http://amsat.org.ar/pass.exe that with driver http://amsat.org.ar/wispdde.exe should handle rotor and Dopplers. Pass is a cooperative effort where many users had contributed to keep it simple and usable. So, welcome to space, wishing good luck kicking the amazing tin birds we have nowadays. 73, lu7abf, Pedro Converso On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Joe wrote: > I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year > absence. > I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. > I've played the DX and contesting on HF. > All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most happiness > than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's > > Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, But > This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm just about > to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. > > I am in the need of help with prediction programs. > > Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a Oscar > Locator. > > Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! Except for > me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing several to see what I > will make my primary program. BUT...... and there always is a "BUT" isn't > there? I can not say what one to "Trust" > The four I have installed are... > SatLookDown1_28 > HRDSatTrack > Orbitron > SatPC32 > > Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate to > less than a tenth of a second. > > Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let them > do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their data. > > The run them. > > The, > SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the > second. > > But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. > > And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! > > Now the ones that agree also match the page > > http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# > > So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. > > Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct passes? > > Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... > Just let me know, > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Sun Oct 23 16:17:49 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 11:17:49 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: <580CD993.7090202@cfl.rr.com> References: <580CD993.7090202@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: See below for Comments, Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/23/2016 10:38 AM, w4upd wrote: > SatPC32 needs to have the correct coordinates put in. You have to > make sure that the longitude and latitude are the correct polarity as > well. I think to the 4th decimal point should be accurate enough? -90.0826 actual was -90.0825925 Same accuracy with Latitude. As far as time goes, I use, a program called Net time. it runs in the background and is constantly monitoring the PC clock. http://www.timesynctool.com/ It is set to Up-Date the PC clock if it is more than 0.1 seconds off. Being Leary of internet lag, when i first installed the program I was constantly comparing it to WWV directly over the air, , and it was always spot on. > > I would definitely check your system time and date as well as QTH > settings. Insure the time displayed is correct based on your settings > in regards to local or UTC. I find that all of my programs come within > seconds are less of each other for tracking. A second off would be an eternity for me. I run WSPR with zero difficulties, and they say you must be less than a second off for that. Plus think even if I was what 5 minutes off. wouldn't all 4 programs show the same error amount? Joe WB9SBD > > Reid. W4UPD > > > On 10/23/2016 10:55 AM, Joe wrote: >> I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year >> absence. >> I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. >> I've played the DX and contesting on HF. >> All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most >> happiness than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's >> >> Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, >> But This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm >> just about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. >> >> I am in the need of help with prediction programs. >> >> Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a >> Oscar Locator. >> >> Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! >> Except for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing >> several to see what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and >> there always is a "BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" >> The four I have installed are... >> SatLookDown1_28 >> HRDSatTrack >> Orbitron >> SatPC32 >> >> Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is >> accurate to less than a tenth of a second. >> >> Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and >> let them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get >> their data. >> >> The run them. >> >> The, >> SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the >> second. >> >> But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. >> >> And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! >> >> Now the ones that agree also match the page >> >> http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# >> >> So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. >> >> Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct >> passes? >> >> Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... >> Just let me know, >> >> Joe WB9SBD > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > From ai7rogerroger at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:13:12 2016 From: ai7rogerroger at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 09:13:12 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: <580CD993.7090202@cfl.rr.com> References: <580CD993.7090202@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I use InstantTrack for antenna control and Satpc32 for rig control. I download the NASA.all tle into Satpc32 and then load the same file into InstantTrack and haven't experienced any issues. You might find it necessary to restart Satpc32 after you download the tle file or make any other changes to the program. 73, Roger W7TZ CN83ia On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 8:38 AM, w4upd wrote: > I run most of those programs without any problems. I even run old > Instantrak under DosBox, and WISP32. This all runs on a 64-bit Laptop > Windows 10 system. SatPC32 needs to have the correct coordinates put in. > You have to make sure that the longitude and latitude are the correct > polarity as well. On WISP32 I merely have to make sure they are west/east > or north/south. > > I would definitely check your system time and date as well as QTH > settings. Insure the time displayed is correct based on your settings in > regards to local or UTC. I find that all of my programs come within seconds > are less of each other for tracking. > > Reid. W4UPD > > > > On 10/23/2016 10:55 AM, Joe wrote: > >> I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year >> absence. >> I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. >> I've played the DX and contesting on HF. >> All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most >> happiness than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's >> >> Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, But >> This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm just >> about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. >> >> I am in the need of help with prediction programs. >> >> Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a Oscar >> Locator. >> >> Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! Except >> for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing several to see >> what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and there always is a "BUT" >> isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" >> The four I have installed are... >> SatLookDown1_28 >> HRDSatTrack >> Orbitron >> SatPC32 >> >> Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate to >> less than a tenth of a second. >> >> Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let >> them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their data. >> >> The run them. >> >> The, >> SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the >> second. >> >> But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. >> >> And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! >> >> Now the ones that agree also match the page >> >> http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# >> >> So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. >> >> Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct >> passes? >> >> Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... >> Just let me know, >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 23 16:27:37 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:27:37 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: <580CD993.7090202@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <580CE4F9.4070402@cfl.rr.com> You didn't show your latitude. It should be positive. For example I use -80.703 Longitude and 28.161 for Latitude for my location. Also, you should be able to confirm by the map showing your location with a "+" where it thinks you are at. Also, try Wisat32 to see if you have the same problems. Don't know what else to tell except that SatPC works fine for me provided the QTH info, clock info and keps are correct. Maybe someone else on here with more knowledge than I on SatPC32 can help. Reid, W4UPD On 10/23/2016 12:17 PM, Joe wrote: > See below for Comments, > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > On 10/23/2016 10:38 AM, w4upd wrote: >> SatPC32 needs to have the correct coordinates put in. You have to >> make sure that the longitude and latitude are the correct polarity as >> well. > I think to the 4th decimal point should be accurate enough? > -90.0826 actual was -90.0825925 > Same accuracy with Latitude. > > As far as time goes, I use, a program called Net time. it runs in the > background and is constantly monitoring the PC clock. > http://www.timesynctool.com/ > It is set to Up-Date the PC clock if it is more than 0.1 seconds off. > Being Leary of internet lag, when i first installed the program I was > constantly comparing it to WWV directly over the air, , and it was > always spot on. >> >> I would definitely check your system time and date as well as QTH >> settings. Insure the time displayed is correct based on your settings >> in regards to local or UTC. I find that all of my programs come >> within seconds are less of each other for tracking. > A second off would be an eternity for me. > I run WSPR with zero difficulties, and they say you must be less than > a second off for that. > > Plus think even if I was what 5 minutes off. wouldn't all 4 programs > show the same error amount? > > Joe WB9SBD >> >> Reid. W4UPD >> >> >> On 10/23/2016 10:55 AM, Joe wrote: >>> I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year >>> absence. >>> I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. >>> I've played the DX and contesting on HF. >>> All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most >>> happiness than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's >>> >>> Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me >>> to, But This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the >>> point I'm just about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. >>> >>> I am in the need of help with prediction programs. >>> >>> Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a >>> Oscar Locator. >>> >>> Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! >>> Except for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing >>> several to see what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and >>> there always is a "BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" >>> The four I have installed are... >>> SatLookDown1_28 >>> HRDSatTrack >>> Orbitron >>> SatPC32 >>> >>> Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is >>> accurate to less than a tenth of a second. >>> >>> Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and >>> let them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get >>> their data. >>> >>> The run them. >>> >>> The, >>> SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to >>> the second. >>> >>> But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. >>> >>> And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! >>> >>> Now the ones that agree also match the page >>> >>> http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# >>> >>> So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. >>> >>> Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct >>> passes? >>> >>> Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... >>> Just let me know, >>> >>> Joe WB9SBD >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From rolf.krogstad at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:30:21 2016 From: rolf.krogstad at gmail.com (Rolf Krogstad) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 11:30:21 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My apologies if this has been covered already. Have you double-checked what you have designated as your home location? QRZ.com shows this location info for you: Latitude 43.610010 (43? 36' 36'' N) Longitude -90.082150 (90? 4' 55'' W) Grid Square EN43xo I have never used Orbitron, but in SatPC32 this is how to set it: Open SatPC32. Towards the top center of the window, click on Setup, then click on Observer. A small pop-up window will appear with the title "Observer Setup". The second item from the top on the left side of the window is "Station Grid Locator". Click on the 2nd value down in the center of the window, to the right of "Station Grid Locator". Now enter your six character grid square in the field on the right side of the windows. Your Grid Square is EN43xo. Then click on the button [Locator>Degs], then click on [Store]. I am not sure, but you may need to close and reopen SatPC32 for the change to take effect. 73, Rolf NR0T Grid EN34it On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Joe wrote: > I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year > absence. > I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. > I've played the DX and contesting on HF. > All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most happiness > than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's > > Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, But > This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm just > about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. > > I am in the need of help with prediction programs. > > Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a Oscar > Locator. > > Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! Except > for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing several to see > what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and there always is a "BUT" > isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" > The four I have installed are... > SatLookDown1_28 > HRDSatTrack > Orbitron > SatPC32 > > Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate to > less than a tenth of a second. > > Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let > them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their data. > > The run them. > > The, > SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the > second. > > But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. > > And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! > > Now the ones that agree also match the page > > http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# > > So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. > > Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct > passes? > > Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... > Just let me know, > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From wa4sca at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 16:40:32 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 11:40:32 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d22d4c$2cb157f0$861407d0$@GMAIL.COM> Joe, SatPC32 normally works perfectly, and is used by the command stations for its accuracy and reliability. Something to check. Click on Satellites, and see what the source file is. nasabare.txt is a reliable one. Look down at the bottom, and see what the file date is. It should be current within a day or so. You will need to do the update manually with the Update Keps button, for each source. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- References: Message-ID: <0bcc3f7c9a6e4c117b8e933d93d991ee@mail.gmail.com> Not Satellite related, but people often ask about any RFI from my solar arrays at home. Interest stems from an RFI issue in April QST and my letter in Sept 2016 QST. Well, FINALLY, the jury is in. For the first time since installing solar, I finally got all my full-sized dipoles up in the air again. And listened with the arrays on and off. Yes, I have inverter noise about 12 dB above the noise floor every 38 kHz on 80 meters,. But couldn't really find anything on 20 meters. I did not do a thorough search, but enough to finally say, "yes, there is some noise..." I post this because my 16kw of arrays are conventional series string arrays and much quieter than the "optimizers" on every panel all over the roof noted in the April QST article. I always thought my string array was quiet, but now I have some data noted above. This could easily be fixed with some clamp-on ferrites down in the basement on the wires going into the inverters... But for my rare HF operating, the solar AC disconnect switch is about 3 feet from the kitchen door. Easy enough to pull if I want HF silence. I could also install a 40 amp disconnect relay from a switch in the shack... But with my rare operating style, I'll probably do nothing. Of course it is perfectly quiet at night ;-) It took me 6 years to get around to this test, so don't hold your breath waiting for me to add some clamp-on filters to the inverter wires and see what that does. For those into solar, come join us on SolarDIY at yahoogroups.com Bob, WB4APR From nss at mwt.net Sun Oct 23 16:58:04 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 11:58:04 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b3d7319-06ee-5e93-15ea-4a9fec05e542@mwt.net> Yup Qrz useds the middle of the square. Here I am https://goo.gl/maps/4XW2NDTGNkq and http://i63.tinypic.com/2vmfsk9.jpg And on SatPC did all that, and in the demo you have to do it every time ya open it. so re-opening it won't help. By the way gang! Thank You for trying to help! My EME program was on of all thngs a Timex Sinclaire, and it worked perfectly he he he amazing isn't it? Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/23/2016 11:30 AM, Rolf Krogstad wrote: > My apologies if this has been covered already. > Have you double-checked what you have designated as your home location? > > QRZ.com shows this location info for you: > Latitude 43.610010 (43? 36' 36'' N) > Longitude -90.082150 (90? 4' 55'' W) > Grid Square EN43xo > > I have never used Orbitron, but in SatPC32 this is how to set it: > > Open SatPC32. Towards the top center of the window, click on Setup, then > click on Observer. A small pop-up window will appear with the title > "Observer Setup". > The second item from the top on the left side of the window is "Station > Grid Locator". > Click on the 2nd value down in the center of the window, to the right of > "Station Grid Locator". Now enter your six character grid square in the > field on the right side of the windows. Your Grid Square is EN43xo. Then > click on the button [Locator>Degs], then click on [Store]. I am not sure, > but you may need to close and reopen SatPC32 for the change to take effect. > > 73, > > Rolf NR0T > Grid EN34it > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Joe wrote: > >> I am really excited about getting back on the Birds after a 40+ year >> absence. >> I've done EME, MS, AU, and all sorts of weak signal stuff on 144Mhz. >> I've played the DX and contesting on HF. >> All has been fun, but none except for the EME has given the most happiness >> than the memories of playing with the birds in the late 70's >> >> Now let me know, I can take this off list if members here want me to, But >> This excitement is quickly turning into disgust. To the point I'm just >> about to say screw it and forget about Sat work again. >> >> I am in the need of help with prediction programs. >> >> Man in the late 70's it was the ARRL bulletin with keps etc. and a Oscar >> Locator. >> >> Now we got ultra cool software programs that all are incredible! Except >> for me, I can not trust ANY of them. I have been testing several to see >> what I will make my primary program. BUT...... and there always is a "BUT" >> isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" >> The four I have installed are... >> SatLookDown1_28 >> HRDSatTrack >> Orbitron >> SatPC32 >> >> Now of course they all use the same computer clock. And it is accurate to >> less than a tenth of a second. >> >> Each one periodically ask to Up-Date the TLE's and I say "YES" and let >> them do it all on their own. I change NOTHING on where they get their data. >> >> The run them. >> >> The, >> SatLookDown1_28 & HRDSatTrack, both agree very closely. Almost to the >> second. >> >> But the Orbitron, is off, WAY off. like 15 minutes off. >> >> And the SatPC32 is even worse the sat is like 1/2 an orbit off! >> >> Now the ones that agree also match the page >> >> http://www.amsat.org.ar/pass.htm# >> >> So my guess they are the ones showing correct data. >> >> Now what to do about the other two. How can I make them show correct >> passes? >> >> Remember I can take this off list if no one wants to read about this... >> Just let me know, >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> -- >> Sig >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock >> Idle Tyme >> Idle-Tyme.com >> http://www.idle-tyme.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa6fwf at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 17:07:46 2016 From: wa6fwf at gmail.com (kevin schuchmann) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:07:46 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Solar Ham Radio Interference In-Reply-To: <0bcc3f7c9a6e4c117b8e933d93d991ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <0bcc3f7c9a6e4c117b8e933d93d991ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1cb99060-8cbb-504f-71f4-e0a50bbbaa1e@gmail.com> Another one of the reasons I left my old QTH was all the homes around me had solar with many different styles and HF RFI during the day was awful but I had no switch to shut them up. WA6FWF On 10/23/2016 9:54 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > Not Satellite related, but people often ask about any RFI from my solar > arrays at home. Interest stems from an RFI issue in April QST and my letter > in Sept 2016 QST. > > Well, FINALLY, the jury is in. For the first time since installing solar, I > finally got all my full-sized dipoles up in the air again. And listened with > the arrays on and off. > > Yes, I have inverter noise about 12 dB above the noise floor every 38 kHz on > 80 meters,. But couldn't really find anything on 20 meters. I did not do a > thorough search, but enough to finally say, "yes, there is some noise..." > > I post this because my 16kw of arrays are conventional series string arrays > and much quieter than the "optimizers" on every panel all over the roof > noted in the April QST article. I always thought my string array was quiet, > but now I have some data noted above. This could easily be fixed with some > clamp-on ferrites down in the basement on the wires going into the > inverters... > > But for my rare HF operating, the solar AC disconnect switch is about 3 feet > from the kitchen door. Easy enough to pull if I want HF silence. I could > also install a 40 amp disconnect relay from a switch in the shack... But > with my rare operating style, I'll probably do nothing. Of course it is > perfectly quiet at night ;-) > > It took me 6 years to get around to this test, so don't hold your breath > waiting for me to add some clamp-on filters to the inverter wires and see > what that does. > > For those into solar, come join us on SolarDIY at yahoogroups.com > Bob, WB4APR > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From mjohns166 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 23 17:32:53 2016 From: mjohns166 at yahoo.com (Mark Johns) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem In-Reply-To: <4ec7c70b-9456-df4b-46bb-2fb48af289b1@t-online.de> References: <581023436.400529.1477168345220.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581023436.400529.1477168345220@mail.yahoo.com> <4ec7c70b-9456-df4b-46bb-2fb48af289b1@t-online.de> Message-ID: <1662600439.707108.1477243973389@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you to all for your responses. I've been out of town, so I haven't had the chance to check other satellites besides FO-29 (and AO-73, but that one is always shifting around due to issues with the satellite). I'm going to try more experimenting with Pedro's Doppler.SQF line and Erich's correction procedure. Yes, I've checked location and time, and they are all as they should be. I do have a theory that something has become corrupt in the program files themselves, and I'm going to try a new download and clean installation of SatPC32 to see if that fixes things. -- Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 ----------------------------------------------- "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: Erich Eichmann To: Mark Johns ; Mark Johns ; AMSAT-BB at amsat.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Doppler problem Hello Mark, try the following: Track a FO-29 pass and find your signal using the "Upl. Corr." up/down controls in menu "CAT". Fine tune the uplink for best audio (best around the middle of the pass). Then click the "Change/Store Data File" in menu "CAT" and in the little window that opens click on "Upl. Correction". That will save the correct uplink frequency. That is easier and more reliable than to enter observed frequencies manually in Doppler. SQF. At the next program start you should immediately hear your signal. Little deviations (100 ... 300 Hz) may remain due to temperature differences at the sat or the radio. You can easily correct them using the +/- keys of the numerical pad with a few hits in steps of 100 Hz. (The keys work only if SatPC32 must be the active program - blue header line). 73s, Erich, DK1TB.. Am 22.10.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Mark Johns via AMSAT-BB: > For some reason, my SatPC32 has stopped correctly compensating for Doppler shift on FO-29. I'm continually having to "find myself" all over the passband, making adjustments throughout the pass, just like the old days when everything was manual. > > I've updated the Keps. I marked the uplink and downlink freqs at time of closest approach on a high-elevation pass, and re-edited my Doppler.SQF with those numbers. > > SatPC32 is talking to the rig, and it does make regular changes to both uplink and downlink frequencies -- they just happen not to be correct. > > I'm stumped! Any thoughts?-- > > Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ > Decorah, Iowa USA EN43 > ----------------------------------------------- > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, > you would stay out and your dog would go in." > ---Mark Twain > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From wa4sca at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 17:50:06 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:50:06 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: <4ab47da2-472e-90db-df3a-1f4e2e7b24d3@mwt.net> References: <000001d22d4c$2cb157f0$861407d0$@GMAIL.COM> <4ab47da2-472e-90db-df3a-1f4e2e7b24d3@mwt.net> Message-ID: <000201d22d55$e4278130$ac768390$@GMAIL.COM> Joe, Before you do anything, exactly which file is SatPC32 using? And what date is the file? If you are using amateur.txt, and the date is current, then you should be getting good agreement, though a few satellites such as AO-85 will be missing. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- < . AMSAT-NA makes this . AMSAT-NA makes this References: <000001d22d4c$2cb157f0$861407d0$@GMAIL.COM> <4ab47da2-472e-90db-df3a-1f4e2e7b24d3@mwt.net> <000201d22d55$e4278130$ac768390$@GMAIL.COM> Message-ID: <285b862e-214a-cfee-c58c-31941b9e1959@mwt.net> Yes amateur.txt date 10/23/2016 8:29 Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/23/2016 12:50 PM, Alan wrote: > Joe, > > Before you do anything, exactly which file is SatPC32 using? And what date is the file? If you are > using amateur.txt, and the date is current, then you should be getting good agreement, though a few > satellites such as AO-85 will be missing. > > 73s, > > Alan > WA4SCA > > > <-----Original Message----- > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < Joe, > < > < SatPC32 normally works perfectly, and is used by the command stations for its accuracy and > < reliability. > < > < Something to check. Click on Satellites, and see what the source file is. nasabare.txt is a > reliable > < one. Look down at the bottom, and see what the file date is. It should be current within a > day or > < so. You will need to do the update manually with the Update Keps button, for each source. > < > < 73s, > < > < Alan > < WA4SCA > < > < > < > < > < > < > < <-----Original Message----- > < < < > < < < > < < < < < < < < > < < < < < > < < < > < < < < > < < < < <"BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" > < < < < < < < > < < < < > < < < < > < < < > < < < < < > < < < > < < < > < < < > < < < > < < < > < < < > < < < < > < < <-- > < < < < < < <_______________________________________________ > < . AMSAT-NA makes this > < < < < < > < > < _______________________________________________ > < Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this > < to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > < are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > < Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > < Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > < > < > < > < > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > From wa4sca at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 18:21:04 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:21:04 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: <285b862e-214a-cfee-c58c-31941b9e1959@mwt.net> References: <000001d22d4c$2cb157f0$861407d0$@GMAIL.COM> <4ab47da2-472e-90db-df3a-1f4e2e7b24d3@mwt.net> <000201d22d55$e4278130$ac768390$@GMAIL.COM> <285b862e-214a-cfee-c58c-31941b9e1959@mwt.net> Message-ID: <000001d22d5a$37788ec0$a669ac40$@GMAIL.COM> Joe, Those are good Keps, so there is no need at this point to change them until you solve your other issues. Which satellites have you compared? Stay away from the ISS for now, since its orbit is periodically boosted, and some of the Keps take some time to catch up with it. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <-----Original Message----- Joe, <> <> Before you do anything, exactly which file is SatPC32 using? And what date is the file? If you are <> using amateur.txt, and the date is current, then you should be getting good agreement, though a few <> satellites such as AO-85 will be missing. <> <> 73s, <> <> Alan <> WA4SCA <> <> <> <-----Original Message----- <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < Joe, <> < <> < SatPC32 normally works perfectly, and is used by the command stations for its accuracy and <> < reliability. <> < <> < Something to check. Click on Satellites, and see what the source file is. nasabare.txt is a <> reliable <> < one. Look down at the bottom, and see what the file date is. It should be current within a <> day or <> < so. You will need to do the update manually with the Update Keps button, for each source. <> < <> < 73s, <> < <> < Alan <> < WA4SCA <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < <> < <-----Original Message----- <> < < < <> < < < <> < < < < < < < < <> < < < < < <> < < < <> < < < < <> < < < < <"BUT" isn't there? I can not say what one to "Trust" <> < < < < < < < <> < < < < <> < < < < <> < < < <> < < < < < <> < < < <> < < < <> < < < <> < < < <> < < < <> < < < <> < < < < <> < < <-- <> < < < < < < <_______________________________________________ <> < . AMSAT-NA makes this <> < < < < < <> < <> < _______________________________________________ <> < Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this <> < to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <> < are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <> < Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <> < Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <> < <> < <> < <> < <> <> <> <> _______________________________________________ <> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <> <> <> < <_______________________________________________ Another point to mention in SatPC32 is to set up is to make sure that you have the correct time offset. In the settings observer dialogue you either need to manually set your offset or use the "auto" setting to properly track DST/non-DST time. Else manually set it to minus whatever your offset is for non-DST and one hour or less for DST. The "Half an orbit off" issue probably is as much related to this setting as anything. I normally set the offset manually then have to remember the next time I open after the DES P change to fix it again. Tom N5HYP From nss at mwt.net Sun Oct 23 18:47:55 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:47:55 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: <01A44244-B1EC-4775-A8AC-11672BE014EE@verizon.net> References: <01A44244-B1EC-4775-A8AC-11672BE014EE@verizon.net> Message-ID: <624c71c0-a0c6-3b98-160a-e5e4fd2347ab@mwt.net> YEA! OK, Here we go I got all of them to say the same thing. OK The original two still agree, and agree with that web page. SatPC32 it took the offset from Auto to manually entering for me now -5, and Boom it too matches now. Orbitron, Not sure whats still happening there. But if I tell it to load TLE's and choose the one from say the Sat look down set, and use that, it then asks to load new ones even tho that one is lie just now refreshed. if I say yes, bad out put. But if i choose to lead the sat look down one from nasabare, and say NO when orbitron wants to update, then it also matches! Like crazy huh? And again EVERYONG! THANKS!!! Awesome group of people here! Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/23/2016 1:36 PM, Tom schuessler wrote: > Another point to mention in SatPC32 is to set up is to make sure that you have the correct time offset. In the settings observer dialogue you either need to manually set your offset or use the "auto" setting to properly track DST/non-DST time. Else manually set it to minus whatever your offset is for non-DST and one hour or less for DST. The "Half an orbit off" issue probably is as much related to this setting as anything. I normally set the offset manually then have to remember the next time I open after the DES P change to fix it again. > > Tom N5HYP > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > From pa3weg at amsat.org Sun Oct 23 19:07:22 2016 From: pa3weg at amsat.org (wouter weggelaar) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 21:07:22 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 (AO-73) mode change Message-ID: Hi All, Just to report that FUNcube-1, AO-73, is now back in autonomous operation. The transponder will be active when the spacecraft is in eclipse during the week. 73 Wouter PA3WEG From hfcomnet at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 19:02:57 2016 From: hfcomnet at gmail.com (Glenn Pritchard) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:02:57 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Message-ID: Hello gang, What I find really odd is that I am picking up some telemetry on FO-29's downlink when I know that bird has passed and not even in view. Each time though I don't have my decode software online and miss what it is.. If anyone has any thoughts about this send it along. As for SatPC32 I haven't seen it being off as much as half an orbit unless the keps aren't up to date. I run that along with Orbitron and have found no issues. I will be portable with one of my 821's and my antennas, will advise where I am and where I will be when portable in southern Alberta. Glenn, VE6ND From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 19:20:03 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 15:20:03 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid FL41 Turks and Caicos Message-ID: I will be on SO50 and FO29 for 4 more days. Do not miss the chance for a new grid or DXCC country if you need me. Will be on AO7B as time allows. Check out more on my QRZ and Facebook pages 73, Jay. VP5/AA4FL -- Dr. Jay H. Garlitz, AA4FL -President/CEO Connected World Internet Ventures, In. -President-Elect, Medical Amateur Radio Council, *www.marco-ltd.org * -Courtesy Clinical Assoc. Professor, UF Dentistry, Dpt. Community Dentistry -FCC Trustee, W4DFU at Univ. of Florida, since 2005, www.gatorradio.org. The Club Station of the Gator Amateur Radio Club, at UF since 1934 -member 2013 T33A Banaba Island Dxpedition, Central Pacific, www.t33a.com -other past personal calls 3D2FL (Fiji), T30FL (Tarawa), T33FL (Banaba), From hfcomnet at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:14:00 2016 From: hfcomnet at gmail.com (Glenn Pritchard) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 15:14:00 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stefan I would like to know what it was on the 29 downlink;), however it was "something" on that downlink frequency. What it was I have no idea but it was a couple of times that I picked this up and it wasn't terrestrial. I heard it also when mobile with my 857 and a RHCP antenna. Glenn, VE6ND On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > If you pick up FO-29 downlink telemetry then the bird is up and your > assessment it shouldn't does not make sense.......OR > If you pick up something that you think is FO-29 (but in reality is not, > than it is NOT FO-29) and you are correct it is not up. it is one or the > other :-) > > 73, Stefan, VE4NSA > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Glenn Pritchard > wrote: > >> Hello gang, >> >> What I find really odd is that I am picking up some telemetry on FO-29's >> downlink when I know that bird has passed and not even in view. >> Each time though I don't have my decode software online and miss what it >> is.. If anyone has any thoughts about this send it along. As for SatPC32 I >> haven't seen it being off as much as half an orbit unless the keps aren't >> up to date. I run that along with Orbitron and have found no issues. >> >> I will be portable with one of my 821's and my antennas, will advise where >> I am and where I will be when portable in southern Alberta. >> >> Glenn, VE6ND >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > From dave at w0dhb.net Sun Oct 23 22:20:50 2016 From: dave at w0dhb.net (David W0DHB) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:20:50 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004601d22d7b$b64a0fa0$22de2ee0$@w0dhb.net> I have also observed a digital signal that appears to be 9600 baud packet in the FO-29 downlink transponder bandpass. It does continue after FO-29 has gone below the horizon. I haven't been able to determine another satellite it could be coming from. Dave W0DHB -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Pritchard Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 15:14 To: Stefan Wagener ; amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Hi Stefan I would like to know what it was on the 29 downlink;), however it was "something" on that downlink frequency. What it was I have no idea but it was a couple of times that I picked this up and it wasn't terrestrial. I heard it also when mobile with my 857 and a RHCP antenna. Glenn, VE6ND On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > If you pick up FO-29 downlink telemetry then the bird is up and your > assessment it shouldn't does not make sense.......OR If you pick up > something that you think is FO-29 (but in reality is not, than it is > NOT FO-29) and you are correct it is not up. it is one or the other > :-) > > 73, Stefan, VE4NSA > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Glenn Pritchard > wrote: > >> Hello gang, >> >> What I find really odd is that I am picking up some telemetry on >> FO-29's downlink when I know that bird has passed and not even in view. >> Each time though I don't have my decode software online and miss what >> it is.. If anyone has any thoughts about this send it along. As for >> SatPC32 I haven't seen it being off as much as half an orbit unless >> the keps aren't up to date. I run that along with Orbitron and have found no issues. >> >> I will be portable with one of my 821's and my antennas, will advise >> where I am and where I will be when portable in southern Alberta. >> >> Glenn, VE6ND >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k7trkradio at charter.net Sun Oct 23 23:29:37 2016 From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:29:37 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001d22d85$526ad8c0$f7408a40$@charter.net> Hi Perry, any update on its current status? Thanks, Ted K7TRK -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Perry Yantis Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 5:15 AM To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! LilacSat-2 is on today!!!!!! Perry WB8OTH py41 at att.net sent from my Apple Macbook Pro _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From mikesprenger at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 01:05:04 2016 From: mikesprenger at gmail.com (Mike Sprenger) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 21:05:04 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: <624c71c0-a0c6-3b98-160a-e5e4fd2347ab@mwt.net> References: <01A44244-B1EC-4775-A8AC-11672BE014EE@verizon.net> <624c71c0-a0c6-3b98-160a-e5e4fd2347ab@mwt.net> Message-ID: Joe, We want you on the sats with us enjoying radio stuff ! Glad you found success with the software. Thanks, Mike W4UOO > On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Joe wrote: > > YEA! > > OK, Here we go I got all of them to say the same thing. > > OK The original two still agree, and agree with that web page. > > SatPC32 it took the offset from Auto to manually entering for me now -5, and Boom it too matches now. > > Orbitron, Not sure whats still happening there. But if I tell it to load TLE's and choose the one from say the Sat look down set, and use that, it then asks to load new ones even tho that one is lie just now refreshed. if I say yes, bad out put. But if i choose to lead the sat look down one from nasabare, and say NO when orbitron wants to update, then it also matches! > > Like crazy huh? > > And again EVERYONG! THANKS!!! > > Awesome group of people here! > > Joe WB9SBD > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com >> On 10/23/2016 1:36 PM, Tom schuessler wrote: >> Another point to mention in SatPC32 is to set up is to make sure that you have the correct time offset. In the settings observer dialogue you either need to manually set your offset or use the "auto" setting to properly track DST/non-DST time. Else manually set it to minus whatever your offset is for non-DST and one hour or less for DST. The "Half an orbit off" issue probably is as much related to this setting as anything. I normally set the offset manually then have to remember the next time I open after the DES P change to fix it again. >> >> Tom N5HYP >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From seb at wintek.com Mon Oct 24 02:22:42 2016 From: seb at wintek.com (Stephen E. Belter) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 02:22:42 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! In-Reply-To: <003001d22d85$526ad8c0$f7408a40$@charter.net> References: <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <003001d22d85$526ad8c0$f7408a40$@charter.net> Message-ID: Ted, I use this website to get up-to-the-minute reports on satellite status, including LilacSat-2 and AO-7 (mode A or B): amsat.org/status Is there some reason it doesn?t work for you? 73, Steve N9IP -- Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com On 10/23/16, 7:29 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Ted" wrote: >Hi Perry, any update on its current status? > >Thanks, Ted >K7TRK > >-----Original Message----- >From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Perry >Yantis >Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 5:15 AM >To: Amsat BB >Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! > >LilacSat-2 is on today!!!!!! Perry WB8OTH > >py41 at att.net >sent from my Apple Macbook Pro >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to >all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official >views of AMSAT-NA. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >Opinions expressed >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >AMSAT-NA. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k7trkradio at charter.net Mon Oct 24 01:43:21 2016 From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:43:21 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1030033564.1183600.1466856903499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <003001d22d85$526ad8c0$f7408a40$@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001d22d98$02cf61b0$086e2510$@charter.net> Steve, Was there a link you meant to attach? I don't see it If it was the 'Oscar site' that where people report on their activity, I am familiar with that but it is only as good as the input. So, I chose to ask Perry direct based on his post from June. I find that info on this board is more timely and accurate. Is there some reason that doesn?t work for you? 73, Ted K7TRK -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Stephen E. Belter Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:23 PM To: Ted; 'Perry Yantis'; 'Amsat BB' Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! Ted, I use this website to get up-to-the-minute reports on satellite status, including LilacSat-2 and AO-7 (mode A or B): amsat.org/status Is there some reason it doesn?t work for you? 73, Steve N9IP -- Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com On 10/23/16, 7:29 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Ted" wrote: >Hi Perry, any update on its current status? > >Thanks, Ted >K7TRK > >-----Original Message----- >From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Perry >Yantis >Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 5:15 AM >To: Amsat BB >Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 is ON!!!!! > >LilacSat-2 is on today!!!!!! Perry WB8OTH > >py41 at att.net >sent from my Apple Macbook Pro >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect >the official views of AMSAT-NA. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >Opinions expressed >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >of AMSAT-NA. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From k6fw1 at verizon.net Mon Oct 24 03:02:28 2016 From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank Westphal) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 20:02:28 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 Error Code 1925 Message-ID: On two of my windows 7 computers I have not been able to install SatPC32 because I get the error message that I do not have administrator privileges. I only have one account on these machines and it is an administrator account. On other machines I do not get this error message. Do you know what causes this error and how to work around it? I have been told to right click on the setup.exe file an run as an administrator, but that option does not appear on my computer. Using latest version of SATPC32. Thanks, Frank K6FW From nss at mwt.net Mon Oct 24 03:56:25 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 22:56:25 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Software Problems In-Reply-To: References: <01A44244-B1EC-4775-A8AC-11672BE014EE@verizon.net> <624c71c0-a0c6-3b98-160a-e5e4fd2347ab@mwt.net> Message-ID: <15a42a1f-7839-77e6-c45b-d5bf21c9d0bb@mwt.net> Well it was only temporary. It's back to two programs and web agree, the other two are way off. I'm not gonna fight on them for now. Worry about them after AO-7 goes back to non Mode "A" modes 90% of the time. BUT I do want to ask anyone, that is Oscar-7 mode "A" capable, I'd like to try some schedules with anyone while we still have predictability on when it will be in Mode "A" This predictability will be going away soon. In a little over a month or so? 12/07/2016? I'm looking for anyone, that can do Mode "A" CW. Drop me a note. Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/23/2016 8:05 PM, Mike Sprenger wrote: > Joe, > > We want you on the sats with us enjoying radio stuff ! > > Glad you found success with the software. > > Thanks, > Mike > W4UOO > >> On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Joe wrote: >> >> YEA! >> >> OK, Here we go I got all of them to say the same thing. >> >> OK The original two still agree, and agree with that web page. >> >> SatPC32 it took the offset from Auto to manually entering for me now -5, and Boom it too matches now. >> >> Orbitron, Not sure whats still happening there. But if I tell it to load TLE's and choose the one from say the Sat look down set, and use that, it then asks to load new ones even tho that one is lie just now refreshed. if I say yes, bad out put. But if i choose to lead the sat look down one from nasabare, and say NO when orbitron wants to update, then it also matches! >> >> Like crazy huh? >> >> And again EVERYONG! THANKS!!! >> >> Awesome group of people here! >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> Sig >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock >> Idle Tyme >> Idle-Tyme.com >> http://www.idle-tyme.com >>> On 10/23/2016 1:36 PM, Tom schuessler wrote: >>> Another point to mention in SatPC32 is to set up is to make sure that you have the correct time offset. In the settings observer dialogue you either need to manually set your offset or use the "auto" setting to properly track DST/non-DST time. Else manually set it to minus whatever your offset is for non-DST and one hour or less for DST. The "Half an orbit off" issue probably is as much related to this setting as anything. I normally set the offset manually then have to remember the next time I open after the DES P change to fix it again. >>> >>> Tom N5HYP >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > From quadpugh at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 24 06:38:33 2016 From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 01:38:33 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity Message-ID: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> Hello AMSAT-ers The University of Louisiana has a slot on a ULA mission to GTO launch to GTO for a 1u. WE are asking the community what payload should we fly, how to mitigate the radiation and who wants to help the students? http://www.ulalaunch.com/ula-announces-2016-cubesat-stem-winners.aspx?title= United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+Program+Winners &Category=News 73's and see you on the baot nick k5qxj From dan at post.com Mon Oct 24 12:46:23 2016 From: dan at post.com (Daniel Cussen) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 13:46:23 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 Error Code 1925 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: to run the setup program under Windows 7 right click on the file name "Setup". In the list that opens choose the option "Run as administrator". You need to find the file itself using windows explorer. It will be in a folder called SATPC32 normally under program files. If you do not have the option then when right clicking, try holding the shift key while right clicking. Another option is to right click and change the properties and under privileges/compatibility or similar try choose run as administrator. E.g.: Navigate to the program folder of the program you want to run. ... Right-click the program icon (the .exe file). Choose Properties. On the Compatibility tab, select the Run This Program As An Administrator option. Click OK. If you see a User Account Control prompt, accept it. On 24/10/2016, Frank Westphal wrote: > On two of my windows 7 computers I have not been able to install SatPC32 > because I get the error message that I do not have administrator > privileges. I only have one account on these machines and it is an > administrator account. On other machines I do not get this error > message. Do you know what causes this error and how to work around it? > I have been told to right click on the setup.exe file an run as an > administrator, but that option does not appear on my computer. Using > latest version of SATPC32. > > Thanks, > > Frank > K6FW From mvivona at yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 13:46:52 2016 From: mvivona at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:46:52 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 Error Code 1925 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E4D1816-FF53-49A6-B23F-F98605848854@yahoo.com> Another option is to simply log in as the user "Administrator". Even though your current user has administrative privileges Windows-7 and greater has reserved some of the underlying properties from all but the official built-in "Administrator". It comes generically disabled. To enable the built-in administrator account, follow these steps: Click Start, type cmd in the Start Search box, and then press Enter. Note If you are prompted for an administrator password or for confirmation, type the password, or provide confirmation. In the search results list, right-click Command Prompt, and then click Run as Administrator. When you are prompted by User Account Control, click Continue. At the command prompt, type net user administrator /active:yes, and then press Enter. Type net user administrator , and then press Enter. Note In this command, represents the actual password that you want to set for the administrator account. Type exit, and then press Enter. Log off the current user account. Michael KC4ZVA Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Daniel Cussen wrote: > > to run the setup program under Windows 7 right click on the file name > "Setup". In the list that opens choose the option "Run as administrator". > > You need to find the file itself using windows explorer. It will be in > a folder called SATPC32 normally under program files. If you do not > have the option then when right clicking, try holding the shift key > while right clicking. > > Another option is to right click and change the properties and under > privileges/compatibility or similar try choose run as administrator. > > E.g.: > Navigate to the program folder of the program you want to run. ... > Right-click the program icon (the .exe file). > Choose Properties. > On the Compatibility tab, select the Run This Program As An > Administrator option. > Click OK. > If you see a User Account Control prompt, accept it. > > >> On 24/10/2016, Frank Westphal wrote: >> On two of my windows 7 computers I have not been able to install SatPC32 >> because I get the error message that I do not have administrator >> privileges. I only have one account on these machines and it is an >> administrator account. On other machines I do not get this error >> message. Do you know what causes this error and how to work around it? >> I have been told to right click on the setup.exe file an run as an >> administrator, but that option does not appear on my computer. Using >> latest version of SATPC32. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank >> K6FW > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 24 15:17:46 2016 From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] IARU Sat Spectrum + ESEO Sat Update References: <1401795064.2935168.1477322266277.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1401795064.2935168.1477322266277@mail.yahoo.com> IARU issue Amateur-Satellite Service spectrum requirements https://amsat-uk.org/2016/10/24/iaru-amateur-satellite-spectrum/ ESEO FM transponder satellite October 2016 Update https://amsat-uk.org/2016/10/23/eseo-update-october-2016/ ISS Columbus ham radio HT inoperative https://amsat-uk.org/2016/10/21/iss-columbus-ham-radio-ht-inoperative/ Video - A Geosynchronous Ham Radio Satellite https://amsat-uk.org/2016/10/15/a-geosynchronous-ham-radio-satellite/ Join AMSAT-UK https://amsat-uk.org/2016/09/27/autumn-fall-oscar-news/ 73 Trevor M5AKA ---- AMSAT-UK?http://amsat-uk.org/ Twitter?https://twitter.com/AmsatUK Facebook https://facebook.com/AmsatUK YouTube?https://youtube.com/AmsatUK ---- From zleffke at vt.edu Mon Oct 24 15:20:46 2016 From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 11:20:46 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> Given my recent interest and the previous thread on 'deep space tracking,' a linear transponder on a HEO bird could offer an interesting 'test bird' to conducting ranging operations and orbit determination with. It is more 'deep space like' than the current LEO birds, but is still in earth orbit and can be modeled with TLEs (so that we can check against NORAD updates to see how 'good' we are doing). If the design is similar to what will be used on the CQC bird (or at least an approximation that could work in a 1U), then we (as in the amateur satellite community) could test out the required earth station hardware / backend processing for something like this, as well as get vital training for future missions such as the CQC bird and potential other HEO missions. Couple of points to back up the idea: 1. I'm guessing a 1U in HEO is probably tough power budget wise, so link budgets will probably be tight. PN sequence ranging (in my limited understanding of the subject) requires way less SNR than normal communications and data transfer since your just looking for correlations against the known PN sequence, so it is maybe viable given a tighter link budget. 2. A 5GHz up/10 GHz down payload is probably not viable in a 1u (link budgets, size constraints, etc). So, something like a 23cm up, 70cm down bent pipe transponder would be interesting. The problem here will likely be community 'backlash' in that L-band uplink stations are less common in the Amateur Community. I would offer the argument of 'use it or lose it' to help protect the 23cm uplink band, and also the fact that AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including 1E which will be a linear transponder). So maybe having another 23cm uplink bird will interest people in adding a band to their station (if two birds isn't enough, maybe three is?). If L-Band up is too hard to swallow, then a 2m up/70cm down bent pipe in HEO would still be interesting, compatible with most Amateur ground stations, and could still be used to test ranging operations. 3. Heavy Forward Error Correction on a separate low rate TLM downlink would probably be a good idea (like AO-73, again due to probably tight power budget). 4. training, Training, TRAINING! I know AMSAT has conducted ranging on their own in the past, but its been a while. There are probably new members in the community that would like to get into this sort of thing and learn this type of skill (I include myself in that list), and the folks that have done it before could help train up a younger/newer generation of AMSAT folks, which would help protect the 'technical leadership in the field of small sats' future of AMSAT. I have no good answer for the radiation part of your question. Also, I'd love to help out the students, but have my hands full here with our own students at VT. Just throwing out an idea for a payload....... Congrats on getting a ride! -Zach, KJ4QLP Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 On 10/24/2016 2:38 AM, Nick Pugh wrote: > Hello AMSAT-ers > > The University of Louisiana has a slot on a ULA mission to GTO launch to > GTO for a 1u. WE are asking the community what payload should we fly, how to > mitigate the radiation and who wants to help the students? > > > > http://www.ulalaunch.com/ula-announces-2016-cubesat-stem-winners.aspx?title= > United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+Program+Winners > =United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+Program+Winners&Cat > egory=News> &Category=News > > > > > > 73's and see you on the baot > > nick k5qxj > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From n8hm at arrl.net Mon Oct 24 15:38:57 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 11:38:57 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> Message-ID: Some sort of linear transponder would be an ideal payload, even if you'd need a really darn good station to use it (usage of low bit rate digital modes through the transponder could help). The last ULA launch to GTO that I could find orbit details for was to 35,789 km x 3,830 km with a 19 degree inclination. A transponder may only be usable by the best equipped stations at apogee, but many more stations could use it at perigee. 73, Paul, N8HM On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Zach Leffke wrote: > Given my recent interest and the previous thread on 'deep space > tracking,' a linear transponder on a HEO bird could offer an interesting > 'test bird' to conducting ranging operations and orbit determination with. > It is more 'deep space like' than the current LEO birds, but is still in > earth orbit and can be modeled with TLEs (so that we can check against > NORAD updates to see how 'good' we are doing). > > If the design is similar to what will be used on the CQC bird (or at least > an approximation that could work in a 1U), then we (as in the amateur > satellite community) could test out the required earth station hardware / > backend processing for something like this, as well as get vital training > for future missions such as the CQC bird and potential other HEO missions. > > Couple of points to back up the idea: > > 1. I'm guessing a 1U in HEO is probably tough power budget wise, so link > budgets will probably be tight. PN sequence ranging (in my limited > understanding of the subject) requires way less SNR than normal > communications and data transfer since your just looking for correlations > against the known PN sequence, so it is maybe viable given a tighter link > budget. > > 2. A 5GHz up/10 GHz down payload is probably not viable in a 1u (link > budgets, size constraints, etc). So, something like a 23cm up, 70cm down > bent pipe transponder would be interesting. The problem here will likely > be community 'backlash' in that L-band uplink stations are less common in > the Amateur Community. I would offer the argument of 'use it or lose it' > to help protect the 23cm uplink band, and also the fact that AMSAT is > planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including 1E which will > be a linear transponder). So maybe having another 23cm uplink bird will > interest people in adding a band to their station (if two birds isn't > enough, maybe three is?). If L-Band up is too hard to swallow, then a 2m > up/70cm down bent pipe in HEO would still be interesting, compatible with > most Amateur ground stations, and could still be used to test ranging > operations. > > 3. Heavy Forward Error Correction on a separate low rate TLM downlink > would probably be a good idea (like AO-73, again due to probably tight > power budget). > > 4. training, Training, TRAINING! I know AMSAT has conducted ranging on > their own in the past, but its been a while. There are probably new > members in the community that would like to get into this sort of thing and > learn this type of skill (I include myself in that list), and the folks > that have done it before could help train up a younger/newer generation of > AMSAT folks, which would help protect the 'technical leadership in the > field of small sats' future of AMSAT. > > > I have no good answer for the radiation part of your question. Also, I'd > love to help out the students, but have my hands full here with our own > students at VT. > > > Just throwing out an idea for a payload....... > > Congrats on getting a ride! > > > -Zach, KJ4QLP > > Research Associate > Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University > Work Phone: 540-231-4174 > Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 > > > On 10/24/2016 2:38 AM, Nick Pugh wrote: > >> Hello AMSAT-ers >> >> The University of Louisiana has a slot on a ULA mission to GTO launch to >> GTO for a 1u. WE are asking the community what payload should we fly, how >> to >> mitigate the radiation and who wants to help the students? >> >> >> http://www.ulalaunch.com/ula-announces-2016-cubesat-stem-win >> ners.aspx?title= >> United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+Program+Winners >> > nners.aspx?title >> =United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+ >> Program+Winners&Cat >> egory=News> &Category=News >> >> >> >> 73's and see you on the baot >> >> nick k5qxj >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From johnbrier at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 16:06:03 2016 From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 12:06:03 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] ISS Ham Radio Broke! Message-ID: https://youtu.be/mhfQiVqZkts The Ericsson MP-A handheld radio in the Columbus module used for most school contacts recently started displaying an error message and is no longer working. In the meantime, the Kenwood TM-D700 radio in the Russian Service Module will be used for all school contacts. The good thing about this is the Kenwood is a mobile radio and is more powerful than the Ericsson, so it's much easier to hear. That's why the signal was so strong at only 3 degrees in this video. One of the bad things about this is the Ericsson powered the packet digipeater, so it's temporarily offline. This is my reception of astronaut Takuya Onishi onboard the International Space Station talking to the Howell L. Watkins Middle School in Palm Beach Gardens FL. I received this in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Monday October 17th, 2016. 73, John Brier KG4AKV From bruninga at usna.edu Mon Oct 24 13:53:00 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band now carries AMSAT and ARISS weekly bulletins Message-ID: <09170e7f63e91055ad5ca86bec12503d@mail.gmail.com> The Outernet L-band feed is now carrying a condensed version of the AMSAT and ARISS weekly news files. (Global Geosat coverage except for Northern Alaska)... Receivers are simple: http://aprs.org/outnet.html For ARISS, I manually added a 2 char grid square to each school listed in the school schedule and am asking the outernet folks to parse out that location info and plot a 1200 km footprint on their weather globe showing where people can tune in the ARISS contacts. Then their RTL-SDR dongle could then actually be retuned to hear the contact. Just an idea... Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dani EA4GPZ Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:36 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... >> I hope someday a service like this will be available >> from an AMSAT geostationary service. > I'm pretty confident that the guys at AMSAT-DL are capable > of doing this much better on the upcoming EsHail'2 > than what Outernet is currently doing on Inmarsat... > They already have in mind a "DVB-S beacon"... broadcast > from the ground station at Qatar ... carrying videos > about Ham radio and Ham radio events on this signal. > What is more, if you have equipment to operate EsHail'2 on SSB, > it's more or less easy to use either the narrowband transponder > or the wideband transponder to transmit an Outernet-type signal > through EsHail'2, so anyone can have a go with this. > Outernet uses 4200baud BPSK and half of the bitrate is spent for FEC. > You can use a bit less bitrate to get a signal that will even pass > through a conventional 2.7kHz SSB filter and you can use less > bits for FEC to get increased data throughput (but more SNR required). > Dani EA4GPZ. From dave at druidnetworks.com Mon Oct 24 18:04:03 2016 From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 13:04:03 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> Message-ID: I would also support and emphasize some form of transponder. I'm exactly the kind of newer operator that Zach makes reference to that has never has anything outside of an LEO bird to work with. While I lack anything outside of 70cm/2m all-mode capability at the moment, if a new bird were launched with a 23cm (or really any other band) transponder I will certainly upgrade my station in order to work it. I'm not picky on mode or bands, just having some form of transponder in a higher orbit is what excites me. I'm also certainly willing to assist with training and student support where I can. I'm somewhat tied up in my own graduate research for the next 4-5 months, but once that's complete I'll have a large academic load removed from the shoulders.. no reason I couldn't grab another one to pick up. 73! Dave, KG5CCI On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Some sort of linear transponder would be an ideal payload, even if you'd > need a really darn good station to use it (usage of low bit rate digital > modes through the transponder could help). The last ULA launch to GTO that > I could find orbit details for was to 35,789 km x 3,830 km with a 19 degree > inclination. A transponder may only be usable by the best equipped stations > at apogee, but many more stations could use it at perigee. > > 73, > > Paul, N8HM > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Zach Leffke wrote: > > > Given my recent interest and the previous thread on 'deep space > > tracking,' a linear transponder on a HEO bird could offer an interesting > > 'test bird' to conducting ranging operations and orbit determination > with. > > It is more 'deep space like' than the current LEO birds, but is still in > > earth orbit and can be modeled with TLEs (so that we can check against > > NORAD updates to see how 'good' we are doing). > > > > If the design is similar to what will be used on the CQC bird (or at > least > > an approximation that could work in a 1U), then we (as in the amateur > > satellite community) could test out the required earth station hardware / > > backend processing for something like this, as well as get vital training > > for future missions such as the CQC bird and potential other HEO > missions. > > > > Couple of points to back up the idea: > > > > 1. I'm guessing a 1U in HEO is probably tough power budget wise, so link > > budgets will probably be tight. PN sequence ranging (in my limited > > understanding of the subject) requires way less SNR than normal > > communications and data transfer since your just looking for correlations > > against the known PN sequence, so it is maybe viable given a tighter link > > budget. > > > > 2. A 5GHz up/10 GHz down payload is probably not viable in a 1u (link > > budgets, size constraints, etc). So, something like a 23cm up, 70cm down > > bent pipe transponder would be interesting. The problem here will likely > > be community 'backlash' in that L-band uplink stations are less common in > > the Amateur Community. I would offer the argument of 'use it or lose it' > > to help protect the 23cm uplink band, and also the fact that AMSAT is > > planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including 1E which will > > be a linear transponder). So maybe having another 23cm uplink bird will > > interest people in adding a band to their station (if two birds isn't > > enough, maybe three is?). If L-Band up is too hard to swallow, then a 2m > > up/70cm down bent pipe in HEO would still be interesting, compatible with > > most Amateur ground stations, and could still be used to test ranging > > operations. > > > > 3. Heavy Forward Error Correction on a separate low rate TLM downlink > > would probably be a good idea (like AO-73, again due to probably tight > > power budget). > > > > 4. training, Training, TRAINING! I know AMSAT has conducted ranging on > > their own in the past, but its been a while. There are probably new > > members in the community that would like to get into this sort of thing > and > > learn this type of skill (I include myself in that list), and the folks > > that have done it before could help train up a younger/newer generation > of > > AMSAT folks, which would help protect the 'technical leadership in the > > field of small sats' future of AMSAT. > > > > > > I have no good answer for the radiation part of your question. Also, I'd > > love to help out the students, but have my hands full here with our own > > students at VT. > > > > > > Just throwing out an idea for a payload....... > > > > Congrats on getting a ride! > > > > > > -Zach, KJ4QLP > > > > Research Associate > > Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology > > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University > > Work Phone: 540-231-4174 > > Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 > > > > > > On 10/24/2016 2:38 AM, Nick Pugh wrote: > > > >> Hello AMSAT-ers > >> > >> The University of Louisiana has a slot on a ULA mission to GTO launch > to > >> GTO for a 1u. WE are asking the community what payload should we fly, > how > >> to > >> mitigate the radiation and who wants to help the students? > >> > >> > >> http://www.ulalaunch.com/ula-announces-2016-cubesat-stem-win > >> ners.aspx?title= > >> United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+Program+Winners > >> >> nners.aspx?title > >> =United+Launch+Alliance+Announces+CubeSat+STEM+Education+ > >> Program+Winners&Cat > >> egory=News> &Category=News > >> > >> > >> > >> 73's and see you on the baot > >> > >> nick k5qxj > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > >> Opinions expressed > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > >> AMSAT-NA. > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From n0jy at amsat.org Mon Oct 24 18:34:15 2016 From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 13:34:15 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> Message-ID: <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> On 10/24/2016 10:20, Zach Leffke wrote: > AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including > 1E which will be a linear transponder) I would just like to correct this information, so that everyone is aware and not surprised by what will be in orbit. Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D have the L/v band capability that Zach mentioned. RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) will not. Thanks. Jerry Buxton, N?JY From zleffke at vt.edu Mon Oct 24 19:07:50 2016 From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:07:50 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> Message-ID: <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> AHHH, sorry, i screwed that one up. Two birds with L-band up (1Cliff and 1D), but not the one with the linear (1E). Somehow I can't get that straight in my head (this isn't the first time I've mixed that up). So many Foxes of various band/mode combos on the way! I suppose in a way this is a good problem! Sorry, Jerry (and everyone else). I hope I didn't cause too much confusion there. And thank you very much for the correction. -Zach, KJ4QLP Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 On 10/24/2016 2:34 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: > On 10/24/2016 10:20, Zach Leffke wrote: >> AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including >> 1E which will be a linear transponder) > I would just like to correct this information, so that everyone is aware > and not surprised by what will be in orbit. > Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D have the L/v band capability that Zach mentioned. > RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) will not. > > Thanks. > > Jerry Buxton, N?JY > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From ewpereira at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 19:23:55 2016 From: ewpereira at gmail.com (Edson W. R. Pereira) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:23:55 -0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> Message-ID: Nick, Zach et al, The suggestion for an L band uplink, or any uplink or downlink above 70cm for that matter, is very welcome. We absolutely need to populate the higher UHF and SHF bands in a way that we can justify their allocation to the amateur radio and amateur satellite services when we amateurs sit with regulators to defend them. Higher bands are more challenging to use, but they do offer advantages -- wider bandwidths, higher data rates, etc. 73, Edson PY2SDR --- - We humans have the capability to do amazing things if we work together. - N?s seres humanos temos a capacidade de fazer coisas incr?veis se trabalharmos juntos. On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Zach Leffke wrote: > AHHH, sorry, i screwed that one up. > > Two birds with L-band up (1Cliff and 1D), but not the one with the linear > (1E). > > Somehow I can't get that straight in my head (this isn't the first time > I've mixed that up). > > So many Foxes of various band/mode combos on the way! I suppose in a way > this is a good problem! > > > Sorry, Jerry (and everyone else). I hope I didn't cause too much > confusion there. And thank you very much for the correction. > > -Zach, KJ4QLP > > Research Associate > Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University > Work Phone: 540-231-4174 > Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 > > On 10/24/2016 2:34 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: > >> On 10/24/2016 10:20, Zach Leffke wrote: >> >>> AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including >>> 1E which will be a linear transponder) >>> >> I would just like to correct this information, so that everyone is aware >> and not surprised by what will be in orbit. >> Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D have the L/v band capability that Zach mentioned. >> RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) will not. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jerry Buxton, N?JY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From zmetzing at pobox.com Mon Oct 24 20:44:28 2016 From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:44:28 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> Message-ID: <4281d496-d979-27d9-55b7-c157106928a0@pobox.com> On 10/24/16 14:23, Edson W. R. Pereira wrote: > Nick, Zach et al, > > The suggestion for an L band uplink, or any uplink or downlink above 70cm > for that matter, is very welcome. We absolutely need to populate the higher > UHF and SHF bands in a way that we can justify their allocation to the > amateur radio and amateur satellite services when we amateurs sit with > regulators to defend them. Higher bands are more challenging to use, but > they do offer advantages -- wider bandwidths, higher data rates, etc. A project is underway to do just that. See this story: http://www.arrl.org/news/amsat-seeks-volunteers-to-support-phase-4-five-and-dime-ground-terminal-effort --- Zach N0ZGO From g0mrf at aol.com Mon Oct 24 20:53:29 2016 From: g0mrf at aol.com (David G0MRF) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:53:29 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO Opportunity Message-ID: <157f8783439-4c61-a6e2@webprd-m85.mail.aol.com> Hi Nick. FYI - I understand that Atmel has been purchased byMicrochip. ? And the new company is offering rad hard (ish) processors forspace I wish you luck for your 'educational discount' Would love to help, But with ITAR, you may have to shoot me. 73 David G0MRF Hello AMSAT-ers The University of Louisiana has a slot on a ULA mission to GTO launch to GTO for a 1u. WE are asking the community what payload should we fly, how to mitigate the radiation and who wants to help the students? From w7lrd at comcast.net Mon Oct 24 22:06:26 2016 From: w7lrd at comcast.net (Bob- W7LRD) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> Message-ID: <282260140.26354643.1477346786125.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Is there a reason why S band is not being considered. It was good on AO-40 (sobsob). Probably because of local QRM etc. 73 Bob W7LRD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edson W. R. Pereira" To: "amsat-bb" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:23:55 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity Nick, Zach et al, The suggestion for an L band uplink, or any uplink or downlink above 70cm for that matter, is very welcome. We absolutely need to populate the higher UHF and SHF bands in a way that we can justify their allocation to the amateur radio and amateur satellite services when we amateurs sit with regulators to defend them. Higher bands are more challenging to use, but they do offer advantages -- wider bandwidths, higher data rates, etc. 73, Edson PY2SDR --- - We humans have the capability to do amazing things if we work together. - N?s seres humanos temos a capacidade de fazer coisas incr?veis se trabalharmos juntos. On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Zach Leffke wrote: > AHHH, sorry, i screwed that one up. > > Two birds with L-band up (1Cliff and 1D), but not the one with the linear > (1E). > > Somehow I can't get that straight in my head (this isn't the first time > I've mixed that up). > > So many Foxes of various band/mode combos on the way! I suppose in a way > this is a good problem! > > > Sorry, Jerry (and everyone else). I hope I didn't cause too much > confusion there. And thank you very much for the correction. > > -Zach, KJ4QLP > > Research Associate > Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University > Work Phone: 540-231-4174 > Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 > > On 10/24/2016 2:34 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: > >> On 10/24/2016 10:20, Zach Leffke wrote: >> >>> AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including >>> 1E which will be a linear transponder) >>> >> I would just like to correct this information, so that everyone is aware >> and not surprised by what will be in orbit. >> Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D have the L/v band capability that Zach mentioned. >> RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) will not. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jerry Buxton, N?JY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. 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Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From scott23192 at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 22:40:22 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:40:22 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band now carries AMSAT and ARISS weeklybulletins In-Reply-To: <09170e7f63e91055ad5ca86bec12503d@mail.gmail.com> References: <09170e7f63e91055ad5ca86bec12503d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0983A657B3454E73AEB6E748F2E3202F@CSI9020> So cool to see this type of info delivered via geosynchronous satellite! =============== AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-297 http://amsat.org ---------- VHF Handheld Radio on ISS Failed, ARISS Contacts Moved to Kenwood Radio ~~~ {other articles follow} ~~~ =============== It might be useful to start the body of each file with the date of publication. A viewer might come across this content some days after it was originally uploaded. Looks great! -Scott, K4KDR -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:53 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band now carries AMSAT and ARISS weeklybulletins The Outernet L-band feed is now carrying a condensed version of the AMSAT and ARISS weekly news files. (Global Geosat coverage except for Northern Alaska)... Receivers are simple: http://aprs.org/outnet.html For ARISS, I manually added a 2 char grid square to each school listed in the school schedule and am asking the outernet folks to parse out that location info and plot a 1200 km footprint on their weather globe showing where people can tune in the ARISS contacts. Then their RTL-SDR dongle could then actually be retuned to hear the contact. Just an idea... Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dani EA4GPZ Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:36 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... >> I hope someday a service like this will be available >> from an AMSAT geostationary service. > I'm pretty confident that the guys at AMSAT-DL are capable > of doing this much better on the upcoming EsHail'2 > than what Outernet is currently doing on Inmarsat... > They already have in mind a "DVB-S beacon"... broadcast > from the ground station at Qatar ... carrying videos > about Ham radio and Ham radio events on this signal. > What is more, if you have equipment to operate EsHail'2 on SSB, > it's more or less easy to use either the narrowband transponder > or the wideband transponder to transmit an Outernet-type signal > through EsHail'2, so anyone can have a go with this. > Outernet uses 4200baud BPSK and half of the bitrate is spent for FEC. > You can use a bit less bitrate to get a signal that will even pass > through a conventional 2.7kHz SSB filter and you can use less > bits for FEC to get increased data throughput (but more SNR required). > Dani EA4GPZ From bruninga at usna.edu Mon Oct 24 23:25:04 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:25:04 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity (APRS?) Message-ID: > The University of Louisiana has a slot ... to GTO for a 1u. > WE are asking the community what payload should we fly... You could always fly an APRS digipeater. PSAT works well at LEO, but is only 300 mW. Our next 1U APRS satellite will have a 2W transmitter and will be quite strong horizon to horizon to an HT on the ground. But if you raise the cubesat TX power to 4W, and use Oscar class stations running 50w instead of 5W HT's on the ground, you can pick up 23 dB more performance which is exactly what you need to operate to GTO at 35,000km. The problem is the TX duty cycle. All of the APRS satellites operate with a quite low TX duty cycle because Hams only cover about 10% of the Earth's surface so the average transmitter power is low. On GTO, half the users in the world can see it half the time and if they all start banging it with chatter, then a 1U wont have the average power. Does your GTO remain attached to a large spacecraft? Does it have more than the average 1 Watt Solar power that a cubesat gets? If so, then the duty cycle might not be a problem. ON THE OTHER HAND, every APRS digipeater has a DUPE-WAIT setting that is normally 30 seconds for mobiles to prohibit duplicating packets. You could extend this to X miuntes to make sure no one tries to get through more than one packet per X minutes. Or you can think of otherways to control the user load. Again, I am assuming 2m on 145.825 MHz. Although that is full of existing users trying to hit the PCSAT, PSAT and ISS, no users without an OSCAR class station and 50W will even be heard out there at GEO. SO that is a good way to share the channel. Unless I overlooked something, I think it could work. It would be a great emergency response and disaster preparedness link. For low duty cycle comms into and out of an area. You could build the whole system includeing a 10W PA using the parts from a Byonics Microtrak TT4. That is what we use (without the 10W PA) for our PSAT-2 and follow-on designs. See http://aprs.org/psat-2.html Bob, Wb4APR From cwo4mann at comcast.net Tue Oct 25 01:25:59 2016 From: cwo4mann at comcast.net (Dave Mann) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:25:59 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: <282260140.26354643.1477346786125.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> <282260140.26354643.1477346786125.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: I would like to see 23cm and above seriously considered. My military experience (30 years) demonstrated to me how easily we can communicate with lots of bandwidth up there. My detachments did it all the time, easy peasy. Granted that military radios are pretty much point and shoot, and easy use for relatively untrained soldiers. Ham gear for 23cm is common in Europe, and there is no reason we in the USA can't have that capability. I have a 23cm module for my FT-736R and a home brew helical with which I rag chew with the other hams on 23 in the middle Tennessee area. I am not suggesting we all mold and cast our own wave-guides, but just put some effort into the old Ham Radio "home brew" thing. One thing about S and L and the other microwave bands is that we have bandwidth out the wazoo. 73, Dave N4CVX Sent from my iPad > On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Bob- W7LRD wrote: > > Is there a reason why S band is not being considered. It was good on AO-40 (sobsob). Probably because of local QRM etc. > 73 Bob W7LRD > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edson W. R. Pereira" > To: "amsat-bb" > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:23:55 PM > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity > > Nick, Zach et al, > > The suggestion for an L band uplink, or any uplink or downlink above 70cm > for that matter, is very welcome. We absolutely need to populate the higher > UHF and SHF bands in a way that we can justify their allocation to the > amateur radio and amateur satellite services when we amateurs sit with > regulators to defend them. Higher bands are more challenging to use, but > they do offer advantages -- wider bandwidths, higher data rates, etc. > > 73, Edson PY2SDR > > --- > - We humans have the capability to do amazing things if we work together. > - N?s seres humanos temos a capacidade de fazer coisas incr?veis se > trabalharmos juntos. > >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Zach Leffke wrote: >> >> AHHH, sorry, i screwed that one up. >> >> Two birds with L-band up (1Cliff and 1D), but not the one with the linear >> (1E). >> >> Somehow I can't get that straight in my head (this isn't the first time >> I've mixed that up). >> >> So many Foxes of various band/mode combos on the way! I suppose in a way >> this is a good problem! >> >> >> Sorry, Jerry (and everyone else). I hope I didn't cause too much >> confusion there. And thank you very much for the correction. >> >> -Zach, KJ4QLP >> >> Research Associate >> Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology >> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University >> Work Phone: 540-231-4174 >> Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 >> >>> On 10/24/2016 2:34 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/24/2016 10:20, Zach Leffke wrote: >>>> >>>> AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including >>>> 1E which will be a linear transponder) >>>> >>> I would just like to correct this information, so that everyone is aware >>> and not surprised by what will be in orbit. >>> Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D have the L/v band capability that Zach mentioned. >>> RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) will not. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jerry Buxton, N?JY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. 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Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 01:59:06 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:59:06 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> <282260140.26354643.1477346786125.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <580EBC6A.1020703@gmail.com> Agreed, but thinking back to AO-51, weren't there some geographic limitations to the use of 23cm as an uplink? Have things changed since then? I'd love to get some use from my 23cm setup on the birds again, and the AO-40 downlink is sitting in the attic, totally unused. Greg KO6TH Dave Mann wrote: > I would like to see 23cm and above seriously considered. My military experience (30 years) demonstrated to me how easily we can communicate with lots of bandwidth up there. My detachments did it all the time, easy peasy. Granted that military radios are pretty much point and shoot, and easy use for relatively untrained soldiers. Ham gear for 23cm is common in Europe, and there is no reason we in the USA can't have that capability. I have a 23cm module for my FT-736R and a home brew helical with which I rag chew with the other hams on 23 in the middle Tennessee area. I am not suggesting we all mold and cast our own wave-guides, but just put some effort into the old Ham Radio "home brew" thing. One thing about S and L and the other microwave bands is that we have bandwidth out the wazoo. > > 73, Dave N4CVX > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Bob- W7LRD wrote: >> >> Is there a reason why S band is not being considered. It was good on AO-40 (sobsob). Probably because of local QRM etc. >> 73 Bob W7LRD >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Edson W. R. Pereira" >> To: "amsat-bb" >> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:23:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity >> >> Nick, Zach et al, >> >> The suggestion for an L band uplink, or any uplink or downlink above 70cm >> for that matter, is very welcome. We absolutely need to populate the higher >> UHF and SHF bands in a way that we can justify their allocation to the >> amateur radio and amateur satellite services when we amateurs sit with >> regulators to defend them. Higher bands are more challenging to use, but >> they do offer advantages -- wider bandwidths, higher data rates, etc. >> >> 73, Edson PY2SDR >> >> --- >> - We humans have the capability to do amazing things if we work together. >> - N?s seres humanos temos a capacidade de fazer coisas incr?veis se >> trabalharmos juntos. >> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Zach Leffke wrote: >>> >>> AHHH, sorry, i screwed that one up. >>> >>> Two birds with L-band up (1Cliff and 1D), but not the one with the linear >>> (1E). >>> >>> Somehow I can't get that straight in my head (this isn't the first time >>> I've mixed that up). >>> >>> So many Foxes of various band/mode combos on the way! I suppose in a way >>> this is a good problem! >>> >>> >>> Sorry, Jerry (and everyone else). I hope I didn't cause too much >>> confusion there. And thank you very much for the correction. >>> >>> -Zach, KJ4QLP >>> >>> Research Associate >>> Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology >>> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University >>> Work Phone: 540-231-4174 >>> Cell Phone: 540-808-6305 >>> >>>> On 10/24/2016 2:34 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 10/24/2016 10:20, Zach Leffke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> AMSAT is planning an L-Band uplink for two of the 5 foxes (including >>>>> 1E which will be a linear transponder) >>>>> >>>> I would just like to correct this information, so that everyone is aware >>>> and not surprised by what will be in orbit. >>>> Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D have the L/v band capability that Zach mentioned. >>>> RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) will not. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jerry Buxton, N?JY >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>>> Opinions expressed >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>>> AMSAT-NA. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions >>> expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From bruninga at usna.edu Tue Oct 25 02:12:53 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:12:53 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band now carries AMSAT and ARISS weeklybulletins Message-ID: > It might be useful to start... each file with the date of publication I agree. I guess I can remember to add a date when I manually edit it down to under 6K as requested by the Outernet Folks. And the other NEAT application of an OUternet WiFi hotspot at ham events, such as hamfests, or Public Service events or scouting events or anything where Ham Radio is helping to provide communications is that this Outernet WiFi hot spot not only serves all the Outernet (L-Band delivered) files to everyone in the local WiFi area, but also the local SYSOP can upload his own files in real time to the server. Imagine if he maintains the latest Agenda, Schedule, Plans, Reports, Pass times, Lost-N-found, and any other important real-time files of interest to anyone in the area with a smart phone or tablet! Remember, this Outerlink Hotspot and Geostationary satellite feed is just a stand-alone cigarbox size piece of hardware powered by a small battery. What could be easier and have so much potential... See http://aprs.org/outnet-ariss.html Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:40 PM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band now carries AMSAT and ARISS weeklybulletins So cool to see this type of info delivered via geosynchronous satellite! =============== AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-297 http://amsat.org ---------- VHF Handheld Radio on ISS Failed, ARISS Contacts Moved to Kenwood Radio ~~~ {other articles follow} ~~~ =============== It might be useful to start the body of each file with the date of publication. A viewer might come across this content some days after it was originally uploaded. Looks great! -Scott, K4KDR -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bruninga Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:53 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Outernet L-Band now carries AMSAT and ARISS weeklybulletins The Outernet L-band feed is now carrying a condensed version of the AMSAT and ARISS weekly news files. (Global Geosat coverage except for Northern Alaska)... Receivers are simple: http://aprs.org/outnet.html For ARISS, I manually added a 2 char grid square to each school listed in the school schedule and am asking the outernet folks to parse out that location info and plot a 1200 km footprint on their weather globe showing where people can tune in the ARISS contacts. Then their RTL-SDR dongle could then actually be retuned to hear the contact. Just an idea... Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Dani EA4GPZ Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:36 AM To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service... >> I hope someday a service like this will be available from an AMSAT >> geostationary service. > I'm pretty confident that the guys at AMSAT-DL are capable of doing > this much better on the upcoming EsHail'2 than what Outernet is > currently doing on Inmarsat... > They already have in mind a "DVB-S beacon"... broadcast from the > ground station at Qatar ... carrying videos about Ham radio and Ham > radio events on this signal. > What is more, if you have equipment to operate EsHail'2 on SSB, it's > more or less easy to use either the narrowband transponder or the > wideband transponder to transmit an Outernet-type signal through > EsHail'2, so anyone can have a go with this. > Outernet uses 4200baud BPSK and half of the bitrate is spent for FEC. > You can use a bit less bitrate to get a signal that will even pass > through a conventional 2.7kHz SSB filter and you can use less bits for > FEC to get increased data throughput (but more SNR required). > Dani EA4GPZ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. 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Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From AJ9N at aol.com Tue Oct 25 04:10:07 2016 From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:10:07 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-25 03:30 UTC Message-ID: <677b94.83a67a6.4540351f@aol.com> Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-25 03:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Istituto Comprensivo ?Marco da Melo?, Mel, Italy, direct via I3XFY The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS (***) The scheduled astronaut is Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD (***) Contact is a go for: Fri 2016-11-04 08:47:20 UTC 42 deg (***) Students in Ingushetia, Russia, direct via TBD (***) The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be RS?ISS (***) The scheduled astronaut is Andrei Borisenko (***) Contact is a go for 2016-11-03 08:06 UTC(***) Exp. 49 on orbit. Welcome aboard! (***) Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD Andrei Borisenko Sergey Ryzhikov **************************************************************************** ** Call for Proposals Proposal Window September 1 ? November 1, 2016 The Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Program is seeking formal and informal education institutions and organizations, individually or working together, to host an Amateur Radio contact with a crew member on board the ISS. ARISS anticipates that the contact would be held between July 1, 2017 and December 31, 2017. Crew scheduling and ISS orbits will determine the exact contact dates. To maximize these radio contact opportunities, ARISS is looking for organizations that will draw large numbers of participants and integrate the contact into a well-developed education plan. The deadline to submit a proposal is November 1, 2016. Proposal information and documents can be found at www.arrl.org/hosting-an-ariss-contact. **************************************************************************** ** ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts. ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance. Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com. Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz. **************************************************************************** *** All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted. (***) **************************************************************************** *** Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and not being able to get in. That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/ Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site. **************************************************************************** Looking for something new to do? How about receiving DATV from the ISS? If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details. Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video. http://www.ariss-eu.org/ If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight. Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net **************************************************************************** ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123 Gaston ON4WF with 121 Francesco IK?WGF with 118 **************************************************************************** The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date webpages were removed and new ones have been added. If there are additional ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know. Note, all times are approximate. It is recommended that you do your own orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed time. All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS The complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-10-25 03:30 UTC. (***) Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and instructions for any contact that may be streamed live. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1090. Each school counts as 1 event. Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1055. Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot. Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the file. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact: Arkansas, Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QSL information may be found at: http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS **************************************************************************** The successful school list has been updated as of 2016-10-18 09:00 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing Doppler correction as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction .rtf Listing of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 **************************************************************************** Exp. 48 on orbit Anatoly Ivanishin Kate Rubins KG5FYJ Takuya Onishi KF5LKS Exp. 49 on orbit. Welcome aboard! (***) Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD Andrei Borisenko Sergey Ryzhikov **************************************************************************** 73, Charlie Sufana AJ9N One of the ARISS operation team mentors From ross at topwire.co.nz Tue Oct 25 06:19:56 2016 From: ross at topwire.co.nz (Ross Whenmouth) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 19:19:56 +1300 Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I am thinking along the lines of K.I.S.S - a simple "bent pipe" linear transponder, with as little to go wrong as possible (the bird will be in GTO for a very long time). Power and link budget permitting (eg a 5 GHz / 10 GHz machine), a wideband transponder would permit ranging experiments, high speed data and video modes in addition to CW & SSB... Can the attitude of a 1U cubesat in GTO be passively stabilised (gravity gradient?) to keep the antennae pointing towards nadir? Is a microprocessor (or any digital logic) strictly required? simply having the transponder run whenever the arming pin is out (pulled by ejection from the cubesat canister) and the DC volts are high enough, would eliminate the need for a rad-hard processor. As far as I am aware, the RF circuits in a "rock locked" (no PLL) linear transponder are not as prone to SEU induced latchup as digital circuitry. 73 ZL2WRW Ross Whenmouth From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 25 12:08:29 2016 From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO opertunity In-Reply-To: References: <05ad01d22dc1$3e5fa7c0$bb1ef740$@bellsouth.net> <37002d2a-412b-18f5-617f-6d2b861083d9@vt.edu> <94ec38ce-5cb3-53f7-4804-1ff9a3212b26@amsat.org> <5a987588-5aa1-1857-5a86-fe673b653f18@vt.edu> <282260140.26354643.1477346786125.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <541879500.804504.1477397309358@mail.yahoo.com> "Is there a reason why S band is not being considered. It was good on AO-40 (sobsob). Probably because of local QRM etc" Yes Bob, unfortunately high levels of WiFi etc interference make 2400 MHz unusable in Urban areas, it's why the ISS HamTV transmitter has to operate on 2395 MHz outside the Amateur-Satellite Service allocation. The power budget would be the determining factor as to which payload could be flown. For a standard 1U CubeSat without the complexity and risk of fold-out solar panels or fold-out antennas you are probably looking at about 400 mW RF output to an omni-directional antenna. This might suggest that in addition to a telemetry beacon you might support a 25 kHz bandwidth 435 to 145 MHz linear transponder. A 1260/435 MHz transponder would be an alternative but would require significantly higher gain ground station antennas. 73 Trevor M5AKA > On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Bob- W7LRD wrote: > > Is there a reason why S band is not being considered. It was good on AO-40 (sobsob). Probably because of local QRM etc. > 73 Bob W7LRD > From onmontauk at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:31:51 2016 From: onmontauk at gmail.com (Steve A) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 16:31:51 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] trip Message-ID: Is there any schedule as for what is happening? Schedule on the boat? When Talks start, end, lunch, dinner, free time? I Have No Idea What Is Happening On The Boat!!!!!!!!!! NASA VISIT when we return, what will we visit? What times? ARISS meeting schedule. etc... trying to finalize plans. Steve Akkala W2AKK 631-871-5689 PS yes I check the AMSAT web page daily. And nothings been updated. You shouldn't have to look at random page 1234 to find out the most recent info is 3 moths old. From kayakfishtx at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 21:04:45 2016 From: kayakfishtx at gmail.com (Clayton Coleman) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 16:04:45 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] trip In-Reply-To: <4bbdb9c2-6531-9c0f-2647-000cbde92a82@amsat.org> References: <4bbdb9c2-6531-9c0f-2647-000cbde92a82@amsat.org> Message-ID: Steve, While I can't speak to the ARISS meeting / NASA tour schedules, the full AMSAT Symposium agenda will be posted on the website this weekend and distributed in this weekend's ANS. Thank you, Clayton W5PFG > > Is there any schedule as for what is happening? Schedule on the boat? When > Talks start, end, lunch, dinner, free time? I Have No Idea What Is > Happening On The Boat!!!!!!!!!! > NASA VISIT when we return, what will we visit? What times? ARISS meeting > schedule. etc... trying to finalize plans. > > Steve Akkala > W2AKK > 631-871-5689 > > PS yes I check the AMSAT web page daily. And nothings been updated. You > shouldn't have to look at random page 1234 to find out the most recent info > is 3 moths old. > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From nss at mwt.net Tue Oct 25 23:32:41 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:32:41 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Schedules Message-ID: Where can someone go to try to make up some schedules? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com From chad.kg0mw at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:13:21 2016 From: chad.kg0mw at gmail.com (Chad Phillips) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 19:13:21 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Schedules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great question. I personally have just connected with people here on the BB? chad kg0mw > On Oct 25, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Joe wrote: > > Where can someone go to try to make up some schedules? > > Joe WB9SBD > -- > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kb1pvh at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:25:01 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:25:01 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Schedules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, This page has active operators http://aar29.free.fr/sat/indexlogin.html look them up on QRZ and ask for sleds. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 From kb1pvh at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:35:48 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:35:48 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Schedules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotta love autocorrect. Should have been ask for skeds not sleds. Dave-KB1PVH Sent from my Galaxy S7 On Oct 25, 2016 8:25 PM, "Dave Webb KB1PVH" wrote: > Joe, > > This page has active operators http://aar29.free.fr/sat/indexlogin.html > look them up on QRZ and ask for sleds. > > Dave-KB1PVH > > Sent from my Galaxy S7 > From johnbrier at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 03:28:27 2016 From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 23:28:27 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Schedules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Winter is right around the corner... ;-) 73, John Brier KG4AKV On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote: > Gotta love autocorrect. Should have been ask for skeds not sleds. > > Dave-KB1PVH > > Sent from my Galaxy S7 > > On Oct 25, 2016 8:25 PM, "Dave Webb KB1PVH" wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> This page has active operators http://aar29.free.fr/sat/indexlogin.html >> look them up on QRZ and ask for sleds. >> >> Dave-KB1PVH >> >> Sent from my Galaxy S7 >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Wed Oct 26 04:22:39 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 23:22:39 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Schedules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's what I also thought. And asked but got no takers. Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/25/2016 7:13 PM, Chad Phillips wrote: > Great question. I personally have just connected with people here on the BB? > > chad > kg0mw > > >> On Oct 25, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Joe wrote: >> >> Where can someone go to try to make up some schedules? >> >> Joe WB9SBD >> -- >> Sig >> The Original Rolling Ball Clock >> Idle Tyme >> Idle-Tyme.com >> http://www.idle-tyme.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > From wmy at isac.gov.in Wed Oct 26 09:13:22 2016 From: wmy at isac.gov.in (Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS]) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:43:22 +0530 Subject: [amsat-bb] Request for Satyabamasat CW beacon Signal Message-ID: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> Dear Friends, Hereby request you all to kindly listen to Satyabamasat CW beacon and to send the audio file to my mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in The latest keps for Satyabamasat is available in N2YO site The COSPAR Designator is: 2016-040-B NORAD No????????????????????? ? ? : 41600 CW Beacon Frequency?? ?? : 145.980 Mhz Thanks in advance Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] Secretary & Station-In-Charge Upagrah Amateur Radio Club VU2URC ISRO Satellite Centre HAL Airport Road, Bangalore-560 017. Phone:(Office)91-80-25082598/25082054/25082192 Mobile:? 91-9880 341 456 E-mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in ? ? ? ? ? ?vu2wmy_mani at yahoo.com ? ? ? ? ? ?isrohams at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From onmontauk at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 21:24:44 2016 From: onmontauk at gmail.com (Steve A) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 17:24:44 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] trip In-Reply-To: References: <4bbdb9c2-6531-9c0f-2647-000cbde92a82@amsat.org> Message-ID: We are trying to finalize plans. Its not helpful if there is no information. Who has info on the NASA your 11/14. Can we get a time line, agenda???? A lot of people have to make plans. On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote: > Steve, > > While I can't speak to the ARISS meeting / NASA tour schedules, the > full AMSAT Symposium agenda will be posted on the website this weekend > and distributed in this weekend's ANS. > > Thank you, > > Clayton > W5PFG > > > > > Is there any schedule as for what is happening? Schedule on the boat? > When > > Talks start, end, lunch, dinner, free time? I Have No Idea What Is > > Happening On The Boat!!!!!!!!!! > > NASA VISIT when we return, what will we visit? What times? ARISS meeting > > schedule. etc... trying to finalize plans. > > > > Steve Akkala > > W2AKK > > 631-871-5689 > > > > PS yes I check the AMSAT web page daily. And nothings been updated. You > > shouldn't have to look at random page 1234 to find out the most recent > info > > is 3 moths old. > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions > > expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > > AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > From dave.w8aas at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 11:02:28 2016 From: dave.w8aas at verizon.net (Dave Taylor) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 07:02:28 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] trip In-Reply-To: References: <4bbdb9c2-6531-9c0f-2647-000cbde92a82@amsat.org> Message-ID: <2C2BE743-01F6-4BDC-BF69-BEF3D01E7E25@verizon.net> ARISS was unable to schedule an afternoon tour because of another large space conference in town that week. The tour will be Monday morning, too early for those of us on the boat. Dave > On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Steve A wrote: > > We are trying to finalize plans. Its not helpful if there is no > information. Who has info on the NASA your 11/14. Can we get a time line, > agenda???? > > A lot of people have to make plans. > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Clayton Coleman > wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> While I can't speak to the ARISS meeting / NASA tour schedules, the >> full AMSAT Symposium agenda will be posted on the website this weekend >> and distributed in this weekend's ANS. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Clayton >> W5PFG >> >>> >>> Is there any schedule as for what is happening? Schedule on the boat? >> When >>> Talks start, end, lunch, dinner, free time? I Have No Idea What Is >>> Happening On The Boat!!!!!!!!!! >>> NASA VISIT when we return, what will we visit? What times? ARISS meeting >>> schedule. etc... trying to finalize plans. >>> >>> Steve Akkala >>> W2AKK >>> 631-871-5689 >>> >>> PS yes I check the AMSAT web page daily. And nothings been updated. You >>> shouldn't have to look at random page 1234 to find out the most recent >> info >>> is 3 moths old. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions >>> expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>> AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From pedro at dutrasousa.name Wed Oct 26 12:38:09 2016 From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Dutra Sousa) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:38:09 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] trip In-Reply-To: <2C2BE743-01F6-4BDC-BF69-BEF3D01E7E25@verizon.net> References: <4bbdb9c2-6531-9c0f-2647-000cbde92a82@amsat.org> <2C2BE743-01F6-4BDC-BF69-BEF3D01E7E25@verizon.net> Message-ID: <62EA8186-3AD8-43E1-8329-75C9E7B465B0@dutrasousa.name> Hi, I'll stay in Houston until Thursday that week, and planning a visit to JSC. 73 Pedro CU2ZG Sent from my iPhone Please excuse any typos or briefness > On 26 Oct 2016, at 11:02, Dave Taylor wrote: > > ARISS was unable to schedule an afternoon tour because of another large space conference in town that week. The tour will be Monday morning, too early for those of us on the boat. > > Dave > >> On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Steve A wrote: >> >> We are trying to finalize plans. Its not helpful if there is no >> information. Who has info on the NASA your 11/14. Can we get a time line, >> agenda???? >> >> A lot of people have to make plans. >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Clayton Coleman >> wrote: >> >>> Steve, >>> >>> While I can't speak to the ARISS meeting / NASA tour schedules, the >>> full AMSAT Symposium agenda will be posted on the website this weekend >>> and distributed in this weekend's ANS. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Clayton >>> W5PFG >>> >>>> >>>> Is there any schedule as for what is happening? Schedule on the boat? >>> When >>>> Talks start, end, lunch, dinner, free time? I Have No Idea What Is >>>> Happening On The Boat!!!!!!!!!! >>>> NASA VISIT when we return, what will we visit? What times? ARISS meeting >>>> schedule. etc... trying to finalize plans. >>>> >>>> Steve Akkala >>>> W2AKK >>>> 631-871-5689 >>>> >>>> PS yes I check the AMSAT web page daily. And nothings been updated. You >>>> shouldn't have to look at random page 1234 to find out the most recent >>> info >>>> is 3 moths old. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions >>>> expressed >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >>>> AMSAT-NA. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From pconver at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 15:46:47 2016 From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:46:47 -0300 Subject: [amsat-bb] Request for Satyabamasat CW beacon Signal In-Reply-To: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> References: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> Message-ID: Hello Mani, Sathyabamasat included for tracking on http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm as Sathy. Hope could be received. 73, lu7abf, Pedro Converso On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 6:13 AM, Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] wrote: > Dear Friends, > Hereby request you all to kindly listen to Satyabamasat CW beacon and to > send the audio file to my mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in > > The latest keps for Satyabamasat is available in N2YO site > > The COSPAR Designator is: 2016-040-B > NORAD No : 41600 > > CW Beacon Frequency : 145.980 Mhz > > Thanks in advance > Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] > Secretary & Station-In-Charge > Upagrah Amateur Radio Club VU2URC > ISRO Satellite Centre > HAL Airport Road, Bangalore-560 017. > Phone:(Office)91-80-25082598/25082054/25082192 > Mobile: 91-9880 341 456 > E-mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in > vu2wmy_mani at yahoo.com > isrohams at yahoo.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From ka3hdo at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 23:55:05 2016 From: ka3hdo at verizon.net (KA3HDO) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:55:05 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Meeting Information Message-ID: <054a01d22fe4$6080d2f0$218278d0$@verizon.net> All, Those who have expressed interest in the ARISS meeting previously have received the latest ARISS meeting information. I am including it here for all on AMSAT-BB because there was a query about it here. Since BB will not accept attachments, our "near final" draft for our ARISS meeting in Houston can be downloaded at: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7b156pcxxrjdjon/ARISS-I%20Agenda%202016%20Houston- Rev%208.pdf?dl=0 As you review this, I think you can see that we have some really exciting topics that we will be discussing and working through, as a team. Most importantly, we will be celebrating our 20th anniversary as a team. For those not aware, 20 years ago, in November 1996, an international group interested in installing and operating a ham radio station on the ISS met at the NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston and, per NASA's direction, formed an international working group called ARISS. And the rest is history!! Because we have so many things to address at our ARISS-I meeting, we have divided our discussions into 3 primary categories: 1) Hardware Development, 2) Education and 3) Sustainability and Funding. As you can see in the agenda, we will be conducting two sessions simultaneously like is done in a conference. We will also have plenary sessions, where the entire team will attend, to discuss topics that impact the entire, world-wide team. If you are still interested in attending the meeting, you are welcome to come. Please let me know (directly) of your interest. I thank you all for your interest in and support to our magnificent program. It is amazing what we have accomplished in 20 years! It will be exciting to see what we will do in the next 20!! 73, Frank Bauer KA3HDO AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs ARISS International Chair From fhbauer at verizon.net Wed Oct 26 23:54:31 2016 From: fhbauer at verizon.net (Frank H. Bauer) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:54:31 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS Meeting Information Message-ID: <054501d22fe4$4c5b3360$e5119a20$@verizon.net> All, Those who have expressed interest in the ARISS meeting previously have received the latest ARISS meeting information. I am including it here for all on AMSAT-BB because there was a query about it here. Since BB will not accept attachments, our "near final" draft for our ARISS meeting in Houston can be downloaded at: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7b156pcxxrjdjon/ARISS-I%20Agenda%202016%20Houston- Rev%208.pdf?dl=0 As you review this, I think you can see that we have some really exciting topics that we will be discussing and working through, as a team. Most importantly, we will be celebrating our 20th anniversary as a team. For those not aware, 20 years ago, in November 1996, an international group interested in installing and operating a ham radio station on the ISS met at the NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston and, per NASA's direction, formed an international working group called ARISS. And the rest is history!! Because we have so many things to address at our ARISS-I meeting, we have divided our discussions into 3 primary categories: 1) Hardware Development, 2) Education and 3) Sustainability and Funding. As you can see in the agenda, we will be conducting two sessions simultaneously like is done in a conference. We will also have plenary sessions, where the entire team will attend, to discuss topics that impact the entire, world-wide team. If you are still interested in attending the meeting, you are welcome to come. Please let me know (directly) of your interest. I thank you all for your interest in and support to our magnificent program. It is amazing what we have accomplished in 20 years! It will be exciting to see what we will do in the next 20!! 73, Frank Bauer KA3HDO AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs ARISS International Chair From wmy at isac.gov.in Thu Oct 27 03:32:43 2016 From: wmy at isac.gov.in (Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS]) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:02:43 +0530 Subject: [amsat-bb] Request for Satyabamasat CW beacon Signal In-Reply-To: References: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> Message-ID: <20161027032935.5EE1F8B51@lansing182.amsat.org> Thank you dear Pedro, for your kind information. We are tracking the Space Craft and as we are going through the post launch performance reviews, we are looking for the limited telemetry through the beacon for analysis. Would appreciate if any audio recordings of the CW beacon are available over different parts of the Globe. 73 de Quoting Pedro Converso : > Hello Mani, > > Sathyabamasat included for tracking on > http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm as Sathy. > > Hope could be received. > > 73, lu7abf, Pedro Converso > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 6:13 AM, Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] > wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> Hereby request you all to kindly listen to Satyabamasat CW beacon and to >> send the audio file to my mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in >> >> The latest keps for Satyabamasat is available in N2YO site >> >> The COSPAR Designator is: 2016-040-B >> NORAD No? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? : 41600 >> >> CW Beacon Frequency? ? ? : 145.980 Mhz >> >> Thanks in advance >> Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] >> Secretary & Station-In-Charge >> Upagrah Amateur Radio Club VU2URC >> ISRO Satellite Centre >> HAL Airport Road, Bangalore-560 017. >> Phone:(Office)91-80-25082598/25082054/25082192 >> Mobile:? 91-9880 341 456 >> E-mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in >> ? ? ? ? ? ?vu2wmy_mani at yahoo.com >> ? ? ? ? ? ?isrohams at yahoo.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, >> is >> for >> the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential >> and >> privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or >> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original >> message. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions >> expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of >> AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program!Subscription settings: >> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ? Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] Secretary & Station-In-Charge Upagrah Amateur Radio Club VU2URC ISRO Satellite Centre HAL Airport Road, Bangalore-560 017. Phone:(Office)91-80-25082598/25082054/25082192 Mobile:? 91-9880 341 456 E-mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in ? ? ? ? ? ?vu2wmy_mani at yahoo.com ? ? ? ? ? ?isrohams at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From clintbrad4d at earthlink.net Wed Oct 26 14:06:12 2016 From: clintbrad4d at earthlink.net (Clint Bradford) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 07:06:12 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Raspberry Pi 3 Sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For amateur radio topics/programs - what is your favorite site(s) for Raspberry Pi 3 information? I am also looking for some sort of self-running SENSE HAT demo that I can hold up and "WOW!" audiences as I explain that this is the exact same hardware that's aboard the ISS during presentations. Many thanks. Clint Bradford K6LCS 9909-999-SATS (7287) From vk4tec at tech-software.net Thu Oct 27 12:13:02 2016 From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (Andrew Rich) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:13:02 +1000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Raspberry Pi 3 Sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like MagPi Andrew ----------------------------- Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e vk4tec at tech-software.net w www.tech-software.net m 0419 738 223 > On 27 Oct. 2016, at 00:06, Clint Bradford wrote: > > For amateur radio topics/programs - what is your favorite site(s) for Raspberry Pi 3 > information? > > I am also looking for some sort of self-running SENSE HAT demo that I can hold up and > "WOW!" audiences as I explain that this is the exact same hardware that's aboard the ISS > during presentations. > > Many thanks. > > Clint Bradford K6LCS > 9909-999-SATS (7287) > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From ko6th.greg at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 18:07:23 2016 From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Request for Satyabamasat CW beacon Signal In-Reply-To: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> References: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> Message-ID: <5812425B.5040407@gmail.com> Hi Mani, Just had a nice overhead pass here in CM98, but nothing heard. Listened to both 145.980 +/- as requested, and also 145.890 which is where my Gpredict satellite software seems to think the downlink should be (but no idea how it "knows" this). I used the Keps from Celestrak for the pass. Hope all is well on the bird, and that the issue is on my end. Greg KO6TH Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] wrote: > Dear Friends, > Hereby request you all to kindly listen to Satyabamasat CW beacon and to > send the audio file to my mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in > > The latest keps for Satyabamasat is available in N2YO site > > The COSPAR Designator is: 2016-040-B > NORAD No : 41600 > > CW Beacon Frequency : 145.980 Mhz > > Thanks in advance > Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] > Secretary & Station-In-Charge > Upagrah Amateur Radio Club VU2URC > ISRO Satellite Centre > HAL Airport Road, Bangalore-560 017. > Phone:(Office)91-80-25082598/25082054/25082192 > Mobile: 91-9880 341 456 > E-mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in > vu2wmy_mani at yahoo.com > isrohams at yahoo.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and > privileged information. 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Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From godetj at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 27 20:22:22 2016 From: godetj at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Godet) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:22:22 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Request for Satyabamasat CW beacon Signal In-Reply-To: <5812425B.5040407@gmail.com> References: <20161026091010.CD30282BB@lansing182.amsat.org> <5812425B.5040407@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Mani, Greg and all, Nothing heard during the exactly overhead pass of orbit nr 1930 over western Europe around 1000 UTC using fresh Space-Track tle and GPredict. 73 ! J-P F5YG On 27/10/2016 18:07, Greg D wrote: > Hi Mani, > > Just had a nice overhead pass here in CM98, but nothing heard. Listened > to both 145.980 +/- as requested, and also 145.890 which is where my > Gpredict satellite software seems to think the downlink should be (but > no idea how it "knows" this). > > I used the Keps from Celestrak for the pass. > > Hope all is well on the bird, and that the issue is on my end. > > Greg KO6TH > > > Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> Hereby request you all to kindly listen to Satyabamasat CW beacon and to >> send the audio file to my mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in >> >> The latest keps for Satyabamasat is available in N2YO site >> >> The COSPAR Designator is: 2016-040-B >> NORAD No : 41600 >> >> CW Beacon Frequency : 145.980 Mhz >> >> Thanks in advance >> Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS] >> Secretary & Station-In-Charge >> Upagrah Amateur Radio Club VU2URC >> ISRO Satellite Centre >> HAL Airport Road, Bangalore-560 017. >> Phone:(Office)91-80-25082598/25082054/25082192 >> Mobile: 91-9880 341 456 >> E-mail ID: wmy at isac.gov.in >> vu2wmy_mani at yahoo.com >> isrohams at yahoo.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any >> attachments, is for >> the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential >> and >> privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or >> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original >> message. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From johnbrier at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 21:27:04 2016 From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:27:04 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS ham radio gear visible in new 4K fisheye flythrough tour of ISS Message-ID: Go to 11:10 if this doesn't automatically take you there. Look on far right. https://youtu.be/DhmdyQdu96M?t=669 See a screenshot here: https://twitter.com/johnbrier/status/791752422767157252 73, John Brier KG4AKV From les at highnoonfilm.com Thu Oct 27 22:26:03 2016 From: les at highnoonfilm.com (Les Rayburn) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:26:03 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Before Mars--Prequel to Nat Geo's upcoming MARS Event Message-ID: <23EA9031-AD63-419F-99B0-7ED9BA9607E9@highnoonfilm.com> Many of you have probably seen the trailers for the upcoming six-part series, MARS. Produced by Ron Howard and Brian Glazer, this TV event begins airing in November. But Nat Geo has also released a short-film prequel to the series, called ?Before Mars? in which amateur radio, and conversations with astronauts on the ISS plays a major role. Good film, and great fun for any ham interested in space communications. https://blog.filmsupply.com/articles/inside-before-mars-nat-geo-and-variable-groundbreaking-collaboration/11?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=blog-roundup-oct-27-before-mars&utm_medium=customerio&utm_content=nat-geo-post 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Les Rayburn, director High Noon Media Services 130 1st Avenue West Alabaster, AL 35007-8536 205-621-7500 205-621-7505 FAX 205-253-4867 CELL highnoonfilm.com From va6bmj at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 03:03:45 2016 From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:03:45 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Before Mars--Prequel to Nat Geo's upcoming MARS Event In-Reply-To: <23EA9031-AD63-419F-99B0-7ED9BA9607E9@highnoonfilm.com> References: <23EA9031-AD63-419F-99B0-7ED9BA9607E9@highnoonfilm.com> Message-ID: On 10/27/16, Les Rayburn wrote: > Many of you have probably seen the trailers for the upcoming six-part > series, MARS. Produced by Ron Howard and Brian Glazer, this TV event begins > airing in November. But Nat Geo has also released a short-film prequel to > the series, called ?Before Mars? in which amateur radio, and conversations > with astronauts on the ISS plays a major role. > > Good film, and great fun for any ham interested in space communications. While on the subject of Mars, CBC Radio One's program "Ideas" just finished a 2-part documentary "Generation Mars". The podcasts are located at: http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/podcasts/ideas_20161020_19457.mp3 http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/podcasts/ideas_20161027_56887.mp3 The programs include conversations with experts such as Dr. Robert Zubrin. 73s Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL From johnbrier at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 04:06:07 2016 From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 00:06:07 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Before Mars--Prequel to Nat Geo's upcoming MARS Event In-Reply-To: References: <23EA9031-AD63-419F-99B0-7ED9BA9607E9@highnoonfilm.com> Message-ID: I watched it! It was great! She doesn't get her license though. Hehe. It's on YouTube. 73, John Brier KG4AKV On Oct 27, 2016 11:03 PM, "B J" wrote: > On 10/27/16, Les Rayburn wrote: > > Many of you have probably seen the trailers for the upcoming six-part > > series, MARS. Produced by Ron Howard and Brian Glazer, this TV event > begins > > airing in November. But Nat Geo has also released a short-film prequel to > > the series, called ?Before Mars? in which amateur radio, and > conversations > > with astronauts on the ISS plays a major role. > > > > Good film, and great fun for any ham interested in space communications. > > > > While on the subject of Mars, CBC Radio One's program "Ideas" just > finished a 2-part documentary "Generation Mars". The podcasts are > located at: > > http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/podcasts/ideas_20161020_19457.mp3 > http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/podcasts/ideas_20161027_56887.mp3 > > The programs include conversations with experts such as Dr. Robert Zubrin. > > 73s > > Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Oct 28 06:04:29 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:04:29 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Before Mars--Prequel to Nat Geo's upcoming Message-ID: <201610280605.u9S658im004846@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks for the link, really enjoyed that - hope I can catch the Mars story. Amazing to me is this "almost" exactly how I discovered ham radio at age 12. I was visiting the home of some friends and noticed a strange radio they had, a Zenith Transoceanic table model. Noticed it had several bands and one said "police" so I said why don't we see if we can hear any cops? Well heard nothing at 5 on the dial (5-MHz) so began tuning around and came across a whole bunch of people talking about 4 on the dial (75m phone). And that caught my interest that ordinary people were talking on a radio. I eventually found out it was ham radio and a year later, after saving allowance six months I bought a 3-tube receiver kit. That led to finding out about a ham radio class at the school in a neighboring town which I got my dad to take me to. The teacher became my elmer and administered my Novice exam - license KN8MWA Nov.11, 1958 I was already interested in space travel and that lead me into electronics which I studied to be an EE starting in 1962. In July 1971 I began working as a young engineer for NASA at Goldstone. Funny where an interest in ham radio takes you. 73, Ed - KL7UW 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jay.aa4fl at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:05:52 2016 From: jay.aa4fl at gmail.com (Jay Garlitz) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:05:52 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] last chance for schedules VP5 Message-ID: Since Oct. 17 I have worked about 115 stations in 70 grids from 11 countries. All have been uploaded to LOTW. 50 grids have been confirmed by LOTW. It is time for me to join the CQWW team at VP5DX. I will not be available for SAT contacts this weekend. If you still need FL41cu and/or VP5 I will consider requests for schedules Monday Oct. 31 after 2000z, and all day Nov. 1st. (I depart early Nov. 2nd). Contact me at my qrz e-mail address. 73, Jay VP5/AA4FL From pa3weg at amsat.org Fri Oct 28 19:06:45 2016 From: pa3weg at amsat.org (wouter weggelaar) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 21:06:45 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 (AO-73) mode change Message-ID: Hi All, Just to confirm that FC1 is now in continuous transponder mode for the weekend. Enjoy the transponder! 73 Wouter PA3WEG From wageners at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 20:16:06 2016 From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 22:16:06 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 (AO-73) mode change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AFB0FDD-B30B-4F6E-B188-5B116CFA1B3D@gmail.com> Hi Wouter, I always read your messages and while I currently do not have much time for the birds, I certainly very much appreciate your efforts. Thank you! Stefan, VE4NSA Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:06 PM, wouter weggelaar wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just to confirm that FC1 is now in continuous transponder mode for the weekend. > Enjoy the transponder! > > 73 > Wouter > PA3WEG > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk2fak at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 02:13:27 2016 From: vk2fak at gmail.com (John Mac) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 02:13:27 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite TLE data Message-ID: Hi all.. I am guessing this has been mentioned before on here, but I would have missed it. I am curious to know why all Satelite TLE data can't be found in the few databases available, the obvious ones being OOREAS, Aeneas and a few others.. A couple of the guys provide the data....but still interested to know why, and is this going to be a continuing trend...? John From jim at beeson.cc Sat Oct 29 02:27:19 2016 From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 22:27:19 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users Message-ID: <78db0dac5bd75282d1c35f32722db22e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> I use Nova for Windows to track birds. I had to re-install it recently. I have forgotten how to install a new bird, like A0-85, with the current Keplerian elements. Help please?? From johnbrier at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 03:01:04 2016 From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:01:04 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Article about ham radio that mentions ARISS from the "Mars" Nat Geo TV series website Message-ID: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/mars/articles/a-guide-to-ham-radio/ BTW, you can watch the first episode of "Mars" (not the backstory, see the other email for that) here: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/mars/videos/novo-mundo/ 73, John Brier KG4AKV From jim at beeson.cc Sat Oct 29 03:03:34 2016 From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:03:34 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats in Database In-Reply-To: <78db0dac5bd75282d1c35f32722db22e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <78db0dac5bd75282d1c35f32722db22e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: <254d45b7addb820dfc84552a10f8d562.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> I asked the question wrong below. How do I get the new sats, like AO-85 & SO-50 into the Amateur Database? ? ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users From: jim at beeson.cc Date: Fri, October 28, 2016 10:27 pm To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Cc: "jim" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I use Nova for Windows to track birds. I had to re-install it recently. I have forgotten how to install a new bird, like A0-85, with the current Keplerian elements. Help please?? > From va3kkz at amsat.org Sat Oct 29 04:53:50 2016 From: va3kkz at amsat.org (Daniel Kekez) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 04:53:50 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite TLE data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d19eb33-e1ae-09ec-408e-5eea1b3d95d9@amsat.org> On 10/29/2016 02:13, John Mac wrote: > I am curious to know why all Satelite TLE data can't be found in the > few databases available, the obvious ones being OOREAS, Aeneas and a > few others.. > > A couple of the guys provide the data....but still interested to know > why, and is this going to be a continuing trend...? If the satellite was a secondary payload on a classified launch (e.g. one where the primary payload was a satellite for the Department of Defence or the National Reconnaissance Office), then the TLEs for all the payloads are not published in the open on Space-Track or Celestrak. The satellite operators will receive TLEs for their satellite and they may choose to release that information. O/OREOS launched with the DoD mission STPSAT-2, also known as USA 217. Aeneas launched with the NRO mission NROL-36. Even AO-85 (FOX-1A) has this problem because it launched on the same Atlas V rocket as AEHF-3 (USA 246) for the US Air Force; however, AMSAT-NA releases AO-85's TLE on their website. I expect the trend to continue in the near term for missions that fly with US government military/reconnaissance satellites. If the mission is on deployed from a commercial launch or from the International Space Station, then the TLEs will get published. Regards, -Daniel VA3KKZ From wa4sca at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 13:17:50 2016 From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:17:50 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] TLEs for classified launches Message-ID: <000c01d231e6$da293b20$8e7bb160$@GMAIL.COM> There was an interesting article on Space News which touches lightly on this: http://spacenews.com/faa-estimates-space-traffic-management-costs-at-under-100-million/ In particular, see the last two paragraphs. A transfer of responsibility to the FAA could conceivably result in coverage of satellites currently restricted. Many "IFs" in that scenario. 73s, Alan WA4SCA From aa5uk at yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 13:28:47 2016 From: aa5uk at yahoo.com (Adrian Engele) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats in Database In-Reply-To: <254d45b7addb820dfc84552a10f8d562.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <78db0dac5bd75282d1c35f32722db22e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> <254d45b7addb820dfc84552a10f8d562.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: <273293384.239999.1477747727506@mail.yahoo.com> Jim, You will need to do a manual import. I am using Firefox to describe download. Go to : http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txtDo a Right Click Save Page to a location of your choice. Folder, Desktop, etc. Save it and then open it. In my case I had to change the font to a smaller font and then resave it for some reason as Nova would not take it. Then in Nova go to Keps Elements >Disk File update>Manual update from File. Point to the file. That will import the latest keps from AMSAT. You will then have to set up AO-85 in your Amateur Group. I assume you know how to do that. It is covered in the Nova Manual. SO-50 should already be in the Nova database. While AO-85 is not. Good luck 73, Adrian AA5UK From: "jim at beeson.cc" To: amsat-bb ; jim Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats in Database I asked the question wrong below. How do I get the new sats, like AO-85 & SO-50 into the Amateur Database? ?---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users From: jim at beeson.cc Date: Fri, October 28, 2016 10:27 pm To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Cc: "jim" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I use Nova for Windows to track birds. I had to re-install it recently. I have forgotten how to install a new bird, like A0-85, with the current Keplerian elements. Help please?? > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Sat Oct 29 14:03:52 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:03:52 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats in Database In-Reply-To: <273293384.239999.1477747727506@mail.yahoo.com> References: <78db0dac5bd75282d1c35f32722db22e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> <254d45b7addb820dfc84552a10f8d562.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> <273293384.239999.1477747727506@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <354117d6-4f3f-56ac-5aff-1fcfbe76a3a3@mwt.net> I installed Nova, But when I try to run it, I get this error. Suggestions? Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/29/2016 8:28 AM, Adrian Engele via AMSAT-BB wrote: > Jim, > You will need to do a manual import. I am using Firefox to describe download. > > Go to : http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txtDo a Right Click Save Page to a location of your choice. Folder, Desktop, etc. > > Save it and then open it. In my case I had to change the font to a smaller font and then resave it for some reason as Nova would not take it. > Then in Nova go to Keps Elements >Disk File update>Manual update from File. Point to the file. That will import the latest keps from AMSAT. > You will then have to set up AO-85 in your Amateur Group. I assume you know how to do that. It is covered in the Nova Manual. SO-50 should already be in the Nova database. While AO-85 is not. > > Good luck 73, Adrian AA5UK > > From: "jim at beeson.cc" > To: amsat-bb ; jim > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats in Database > > > > > > > I asked the question wrong below. How do I get the new sats, like AO-85 & SO-50 into the Amateur Database? > ?---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > > Subject: Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users > > From: jim at beeson.cc > > Date: Fri, October 28, 2016 10:27 pm > > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org > > Cc: "jim" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> I use Nova for Windows to track birds. I had to re-install it recently. I have forgotten how to install a new bird, like A0-85, with the current Keplerian elements. Help please?? > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From nss at mwt.net Sat Oct 29 16:28:34 2016 From: nss at mwt.net (Joe) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 11:28:34 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats in Database In-Reply-To: <354117d6-4f3f-56ac-5aff-1fcfbe76a3a3@mwt.net> References: <78db0dac5bd75282d1c35f32722db22e.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> <254d45b7addb820dfc84552a10f8d562.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> <273293384.239999.1477747727506@mail.yahoo.com> <354117d6-4f3f-56ac-5aff-1fcfbe76a3a3@mwt.net> Message-ID: <7321ce4a-1e58-048f-7086-bca756a2b4db@mwt.net> Ok forgot list removes images. here is a link to the image of the error. http://i63.tinypic.com/2v2yywn.jpg Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 10/29/2016 9:03 AM, Joe wrote: > I installed Nova, But when I try to run it, I get this error. > > > Suggestions? > > Joe WB9SBD > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > On 10/29/2016 8:28 AM, Adrian Engele via AMSAT-BB wrote: >> Jim, >> You will need to do a manual import. I am using Firefox to describe >> download. >> >> Go to : http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txtDo a >> Right Click Save Page to a location of your choice. Folder, Desktop, >> etc. >> >> Save it and then open it. In my case I had to change the font to a >> smaller font and then resave it for some reason as Nova would not >> take it. >> Then in Nova go to Keps Elements >Disk File update>Manual update from >> File. Point to the file. That will import the latest keps from AMSAT. >> You will then have to set up AO-85 in your Amateur Group. I assume >> you know how to do that. It is covered in the Nova Manual. SO-50 >> should already be in the Nova database. While AO-85 is not. >> >> Good luck 73, Adrian AA5UK >> >> From: "jim at beeson.cc" >> To: amsat-bb ; jim >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users - new sats >> in Database >> >> >> >> >> >> I asked the question wrong below. How do I get the new sats, like >> AO-85 & SO-50 into the Amateur Database? >> ?---------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- >> >> Subject: Nova for Windows ver 2.1v users >> >> From: jim at beeson.cc >> >> Date: Fri, October 28, 2016 10:27 pm >> >> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org >> >> Cc: "jim" >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >>> I use Nova for Windows to track birds. I had to re-install it >>> recently. I have forgotten how to install a new bird, like A0-85, >>> with the current Keplerian elements. Help please?? >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From pa3weg at amsat.org Sat Oct 29 20:23:06 2016 From: pa3weg at amsat.org (wouter weggelaar) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 22:23:06 +0200 Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 (AO-73) mode change In-Reply-To: <2AFB0FDD-B30B-4F6E-B188-5B116CFA1B3D@gmail.com> References: <2AFB0FDD-B30B-4F6E-B188-5B116CFA1B3D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your compliments Stefan. I am glad we can do something for the community! Its not only me, but the whole FUNcube team you have to thank. Without them, AO-73 would not be there. 73 Wouter PA3WEG On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > I always read your messages and while I currently do not have much time for the birds, I certainly very much appreciate your efforts. > Thank you! > > Stefan, VE4NSA > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 28, 2016, at 9:06 PM, wouter weggelaar wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Just to confirm that FC1 is now in continuous transponder mode for the weekend. >> Enjoy the transponder! >> >> 73 >> Wouter >> PA3WEG >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From rs2atmink at yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 21:59:33 2016 From: rs2atmink at yahoo.com (Robert Switzer) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [amsat-bb] Free content from six satellites via Outernet (APRS?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340668483.332572.1477778373316@mail.yahoo.com> I picked up the DIY kit w/CHIP, connected and powered it up. Setup for North America, it's setup outside however, I really don't know what I'm looking at or for. Connect to the outernet wifi, but trying to connect with my browser yields: "Your receiver doesn't seem to have reported in. Err: null" Is that telling me whatever satellite I'm looking for isn't really there? Rob KA2CZU On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:37 AM, Daniel Cussen wrote: On 02/03/2016, Outernet Team wrote: > Is that mini geo definitely going up? If so, when is the launch? The idea > you are proposing makes sense. We have three UHF cubesats that should be > complete by May. I'm sure there are ways to work together on that. It is part of a large geostationary satellite due to launch at the end of 2016 http://www.spacex.com/missions https://spacexstats.com/missions/future I assume at this stage all the equipment is more or less ready waiting for the launch. It is listed on this page as late 2016: Many European stations are getting ready to receive signals with a slightly modified TV LNB, connected to around a 1m dish. Narrow band uplink will probably need a 1m dish and a 10W amplifier on 2300Mhz. Wideband DVB-S uplink is possible but I assume it would need a much larger dish. There is a narrow band DVB-S format with reduced bit-rate. I have lots of experience in this area. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From mccardelm at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 23:12:07 2016 From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:12:07 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-304 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins Message-ID: AMSAT NEWS SERVICE ANS-304 The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor- mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites. The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it. Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to: ans-editor at amsat.org. In this edition: * SO-50 Experiences Terrestrial Interference in 2M Satellite Sub-Band * ARISS-International Face to Face Meeting Agenda * ARISS Twist Presented in National Geographic's Mars Prequel, "Before Mars" * SDR Workshop in South Africa * Announcing the 14th Annual CubeSat Developers? Workshop * 2017 Eastern VHF/UHF/Microwave Conference, Call for Papers * Call for Papers, 1st IAA Latin American Symposium on Small Satellites * Satellite Activation Dry Tortugas National Park * 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea RegisterBy Nov. 4 * ARISS News * Satellite Shorts From All Over SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-304.01 ANS-304 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins AMSAT News Service Bulletin 304.01 >From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD. October 30, 2016 To All RADIO AMATEURS BID: $ANS-304.01 SO-50 Experiences Terrestrial Interference in 2M Satellite Sub-Band Recently communications through the SO-50 satellite, over North America, have been compromised due to a terrestrial station using 145.850 MHz, the uplink frequency for SO-50. The station appears to be located in the southeastern United States. Amateur operators are reminded that the 145.800 MHz - 146.000 MHz segment of the two meter band is reserved for amateur satellite communications. Amateur stations should not be using this segment for simplex communications, repeater links, or Echolink/IRLP nodes due to the high likelihood of interference with amateur satellite operations. [ANS thanks Paul N8HM for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS-International Face to Face Meeting Agenda AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs and ARISS International Chair Frank Bauer KA3HDO, recently announced via the AMSAT-BB stating that those who have expressed interest in the ARISS meeting previously have received the latest ARISS meeting information. He has also included a "near final" draft for the ARISS meeting in Houston. It can be downloaded at: http://tinyurl.com/ANS304-ARISS-I-Agenda Frank goes on to say, "As you review this, I think you can see that we have some really exciting topics that we will be discussing and working through, as a team. Most importantly, we will be celebrating our 20th anniversary as a team. For those not aware, 20 years ago, in November 1996, an international group interested in installing and operating a ham radio station on the ISS met at the NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston and, per NASA's direction, formed an international working group called ARISS. And the rest is history!! "Because we have so many things to address at our ARISS-I meeting, we have divided our discussions into 3 primary categories: 1) Hardware Development, 2) Education and 3) Sustainability and Funding. As you can see in the agenda, we will be conducting two sessions simultaneously like is done in a conference. We will also have plenary sessions, where the entire team will attend, to discuss topics that impact the entire, world-wide team. "If you are still interested in attending the meeting, you are welcome to come. Please let me know (directly, KA3HDO (at) amsat.org) of your interest. "I thank you all for your interest in and support to our magnificent program. It is amazing what we have accomplished in 20 years! It will be exciting to see what we will do in the next 20!!" [ANS thanks Frank KA3HDO for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS Twist Presented in National Geographic's Mars Prequel, "Before Mars" National Geographic released the first trailer for the fall release of its ambitious new event series today, MARS. The hybrid, scripted docuseries will be a six-part story about colonizing the red planet. The trailer begins with an appropriately moody narration by a woman over the image of an Earth, and as the camera pulls back, we see it?s a depiction of Earth on a spaceship named Daedalus, after the mythological Greek craftsman who created wings for his son, Icarus. As the CGI ship veers into the crimson orbit of Mars, their mission is revealed: to make the planet a new home. MARS, which will premiere in November, is produced by Ron Howard and Brian Grazer?s Imagine Entertainment and RadicalMedia, and it will be the centerpiece of Nat Geo?s big media push. MARS will combine documentary sequences about real-life efforts to travel and colonize Mars, with a dramatized story in which two Asian-American astronauts venture to Mars in 2033. A digital-only prequel series, Before Mars, will focus on the two astronauts before they ship off planet. Joon and Hana Seung are twin sisters who find themselves in a rural American town after relocating with their mother. One of the sisters finds a ham radio which allows her to befriend a female astronaut on the International Space Station. Before Mars will be directed by Lloyd Lee Choi, while MARS will be directed by Everado Gout. There is currently no release date for the Before Mars prequel series. The video can be viewed via YouTube at: https://youtu.be/mPuTlZYDbh4 National Geographic has also published an article "A GUIDE TO HAM RADIO, Can Ham Radios Really Talk to Space? And Other Answers" by Patrick J. Kiger which can be veiwed at: http://tinyurl.com/ANS304-NationalGeographic [ANS thanks www.inverse.com and the National Geographic for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- SDR Workshop in South Africa Hans van de Groenendaal, ZS6AKV, says that the Software Defined Radio workshop on Saturday 26 November will get you going with SDR projects. The workshop hosted by AMSAT-SA in co-operation with the SARL features presentations on the SDR basics, and how to get started. Anton Janovsky ZR6AIC will demonstrate a SDR repeater he has developed using a dongle and a Raspberry Pi. Cor Rademeyer ZS6CR will talk about a SDR transponder for incorporation in a CubeSat. There will also be an update on the Kletskous project. The cost is R20 for refreshments plus a donation to the Kletskous Development Fund. For the full programme and details of how to book visit www.amsatsa.org.za. Payment can be made in advance or in cash at the door. Please use the booking form to assist the organisers with venue and catering arrangements. The workshop starts with registration at 9 am, the programme starts at 09:30 and ends at 13:00. [ANS thanks the SARL weekly news in English 2016-10-29 for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Announcing the 14th Annual CubeSat Developers? Workshop The CubeSat Workshop Team is excited to announce that the 14th Annual CubeSat Developers? Workshop dates are set for April 26-28, 2017. The workshop will be held in a larger, improved location on Cal Poly?s campus in San Luis Obispo, CA. Abstract Submission for presentations is now OPEN! The link to submit on our website is http://www.cubesat.org/workshop-abstract. Abstracts should be under 500 words and should cover the ideas addressed and the objective of the presentation. Most importantly, any topic is welcome! The deadline for abstract submittal is DECEMBER 16, 2016. Registration for the Workshop will be open shortly. Registration costs are as follows: Early Bird Professional (3 day pass/Banquet): $375 Professional (3 day pass/Banquet): $475 Student (3 day pass/Banquet): $150 Early Bird Professional (1 day pass): $160 Professional (1 day pass): $200 Please Note: The Early Bird Prices will end March 17, 2017. Sponsorship: Available Soon! If you are interested in demonstrating your support to the CubeSat Community? Gain exposure at the workshop, and help the Cal Poly CubeSat Program create an engaging workshop for representatives from industry and universities from around the world. Sponsorship opportunities will be available soon, and the CubeSat Workshop Team will send out an announcement as soon as they are ready. Please contact cubesat.workshop (at) gmail.com with any questions. [ANS thanks The CubeSat Workshop Team for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2017 Eastern VHF/UHF/Microwave Conference, Call for Papers First call for papers and presentations 2017 Eastern VHF/UHF/Microwave Conference April 21-23, 2017 Baymont Inn, Manchester, CT Papers sought on all VHF and up activities: Operating, Contests, Propagation, Antennas, Amplifiers, Low-noise Preamps, Homebrewing, Microwaves, EME, Arduinos, whatever you've been doing. Plenty of time to write up your winter projects - just take some pictures as you go. Inquiries to w1ghz (at) arrl.net [ANS thanks Paul Wade, W1GHZ via the Microwave List for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers, 1st IAA Latin American Symposium on Small Satellites We would like to invite you to contribute a paper for presentation at the 1st IAA Latin American Symposium on Small Satellites: Advanced Technologies and Distributed Systems, March 7 - 10, 2017, San Mart?n, Buenos Aires, Argentina. Please send your abstract to mlapiana at unsam.edu.ar By the January 20, 2017 deadline. The International Academy of Astronautics? symposium is hosted by Colomb Institute (Universidad Nacional de San Mart?n and Comisi?n Nacional de Actividades Espaciales) OBJECTIVE To provide a forum for scientists, engineers, managers and students, to exchange information about small satellites. Topics will cover the technological state of the art and the planned and on-going programs and missions. It will have a worldwide vision, but focused on the needs and developments of Latin America, and it is open to a general view but with emphasis on advanced technologies and distributed platforms and payloads. SESSIONS Small Satellites worldwide: achievements and trends. Small Satellites in Latin America: achievements and trends. Ongoing and projected Small Satellite projects with Latin American participation. Segmented architecture and Distributed Instruments. Small Satellite technologies. ABSTRACT SUBMISSION You are invited to contribute a paper for presentation at the Symposium. A one-page, single-spaced abstract of no less than 500 words is needed. Student papers are encouraged. For more detailed information, please visit the IAA website at: http://iaaweb.org/content/view/670/882/ Or the Symposium website at: http://www.unsam.edu.ar/institutos/colomb/IAA.asp [ANS thanks the International Academy of Astronautics? Office for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Satellite Activation Dry Tortugas National Park IOTA NEWS ... NA-079 Operators Rob/K2RWF and Craig/KD2INN will be active as W2LI from Dry Tortugas (NPOTA NP17, WW Grid EL84, WWF KFF-0023) between November 13- 14th (1600z to 1700z). They will be operating from the Dry Tortugas National Park. Activity will be on 80-6 meters using SSB and the Digital modes (PSK and JT65/9). They will also attempt to work applicable satellite passes of SO50, AO85, FO29, AO73, and XW satellites. The group plans to work off of simple wire antennas, barefoot at 100 watts. All logs will be uploaded to LoTW. QSL direct (please consider sending SASE that will fit a 4x6 card) for a special event QSL card via AJ2I. QSL via the Bureau for DX via AJ2I. For busted calls please contact AJ2I direct. [ANS thanks Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #1288 for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium at Sea Register By Nov. 4 If you are an Individual attending Symposium on board the CARNIVAL LIBERTY departing Galveston, TX on November 10, you must register to attend the AMSAT Space Symposium & Annual Meeting through AMSAT. Cruise arrangements made through Carnival Cruise Lines does not include the registration fee for the Symposium itself. There are three options to register for Symposium: -Complete and mail to the AMSAT Office the 2016 Symposium Registration Form that was sent to all AMSAT members back in July along with the BoD ballot along with payment; -Call the AMSAT Office (301-822-4376) and speak with AMSAT Office Manager Martha Saragovitz; or -Use the AMSAT Store (store.amsat.org) by selecting the ?2016 AMSAT- NA Symposium Registration? link found under ?Bestsellers? on the right hand side of the store?s main page. Registration for the Symposium is $40.00 and includes a copy of the ?Proceedings? that contains papers written for the Symposium as well as technical documentation that AMSAT is placing in the public domain. The ?Proceedings? will be available to attendees onboard ship. In addition, the registration provides a means to confirm the number of individuals in your party planning to attend the AMSAT Banquet as well as an opportunity to reserve seats for the Field Ops Breakfast. Both meals are open to anyone wishing to attend (AMSAT Registration is not necessary) and there is no charge for either event as food is included in your cruise package. However, byindicating how many individuals will be attending, it helps to ensure that sufficient seating is made available for each activity. As the AMSAT Office will not be open after Monday, 7 NOV 16 through that week, we ask that your Symposium Registration be received at the AMSAT office by Friday, 4 NOV 16. [ANS thanks 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium Committee for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARISS News There were no scheduled contacts this past week. Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-10-25 03:30 UTC Quick list of scheduled contacts and events: Istituto Comprensivo ?Marco da Melo?, Mel, Italy, direct via I3XFY The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS The scheduled astronaut is Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD Contact is a go for: Fri 2016-11-04 08:47:20 UTC Students in Ingushetia, Russia, direct via TBD The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be RS?ISS The scheduled astronaut is Andrei Borisenko Contact is a go for 2016-11-03 08:06 UTC Exp. 49 on orbit. Welcome aboard! Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD Andrei Borisenko Sergey Ryzhikov [ANS thanks ARISS, Charlie AJ9N and David AA4KN for the above information] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Satellite Shorts From All Over + Fall Edition of Radio Waves Now Available for Download The Fall 2016 edition of Radio Waves now is available. The ARRL publication focuses on news and articles of interest to educators and instructors. The fall issue announces the launch of the new Instructor Recognition Program. The article includes a link to a tutorial for instructors, explaining how the reporting and recognition system will work. A separate tutorial that explains the new management information features of the system is available on YouTube. Section Managers are encouraged to check this out. Other highlights of the fall issue are ?Building Blocks Illustrate Basic Electronics,? ?Ham Radio Flies High as Summer Camp at Kopernik Observatory,? an update on recent ARISS activities, Instructor Corner ? News, Ideas, Support, ARRL Education & Technology Program news, and a report on the 2016 summer Teachers Institutes. To receive Radio Waves, register as an ARRL Instructor; http://www.arrl.org/license-instructor-registration, or Teacher; http://www.arrl.org/teacher-registration, or edit your personal profile, on the ARRL site, and select Radio Waves as one of your e- mail subscriptions. Download Radio Waves Fall 2016 http://tinyurl.com/ANS304-RadiWaves-Fall2016 Previous issues are at http://www.arrl.org/radio-waves [ANS thanks the ARRL for the above information] + White House initiative pushes for more tiny satellites NASA and other agencies are giving microsatellites the resources they need to thrive. Miniature satellites are increasingly a big deal, and for good reasons: they're not only less expensive and easier to deploy than the giant satellites of old, but can cover wider areas. And the White House wants to give them a helping hand. It's launching an initiative that will foster small satellites with the resources they need to flourish. To start, NASA is not only proposing as much as $30 million toward purchasing data from these tiny vessels, but creating a Small Spacecraft Virtual Institute that will offer know-how to organizations. A more direct effort has the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency awarding Planet a $20 million contract for a fleet of small satellites that can capture images of "at least" 85 percent of the planet every 15 days. Read the full story at http://tinyurl.com/ANS304-WhiteHouse [ANS thanks Stephen, G7VFY via Southgate ARN for the above information] + Achieving Science with CubeSats Available for Free Download "Achieving Science with CubeSats; Thinking Inside the Box" by Committee on Achieving Science Goals with CubeSats; Space Studies Board; Division on Engineering and Physical Sciences; National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, ios available for download as a PDF. Space-based observations have transformed our understanding of Earth, its environment, the solar system and the universe at large. During past decades, driven by increasingly advanced science questions, space observatories have become more sophisticated and more complex, with costs often growing to billions of dollars. Although these kinds of ever-more-sophisticated missions will continue into the future, small satellites, ranging in mass between 500 kg to 0.1 kg, are gaining momentum as an additional means to address targeted science questions in a rapid, and possibly more affordable, manner. Within the category of small satellites, CubeSats have emerged as a space-platform defined in terms of (10cm x 10cm x 10cm)- sized cubic units of approximately 1.3 kg each called ?U?s.? Historically, CubeSats were developed as training projects to expose students to the challenges of real-world engineering practices and system design. Yet, their use has rapidly spread within academia, industry, and government agencies both nationally and internationally. One needs to register with NAS but register once and all the NAS publications are available for PDF download -- they send out a monthly list of new publications. Register and Download Achieving Science with CubeSats: http://tinyurl.com/ANS304-ScienceWithCubesats [ANS thanks Tom K3IO for the above information] + YouTube Video, Gaston Bertels ON4WF, Talks about ARISS Milestones Gaston Bertels ON4WF, Talked about ARISS Milestones during the 6th Polish-wide Conference of Contributors and Sympathizes of ARISS. A YouTube video of the address can be found at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufuyki21G6M [ANS thanks Armand SP3QFE for the above information] + Before MARS, a Prequel to National Geogrphic's Series MARS National Geographic released the first trailer for the fall release of its ambitious new event series today, MARS. The hybrid, scripted docuseries will be a six-part story about colonizing the red planet. The trailer begins with an appropriately moody narration by a woman over the image of an Earth, and as the camera pulls back, we see it?s a depiction of Earth on a spaceship named Daedalus, after the mythological Greek craftsman who created wings for his son, Icarus. As the CGI ship veers into the crimson orbit of Mars, their mission is revealed: to make the planet a new home. MARS, which will premiere in November, is produced by Ron Howard and Brian Grazer?s Imagine Entertainment and RadicalMedia, and it will be the centerpiece of Nat Geo?s big media push. MARS will combine documentary sequences about real-life efforts to travel and colonize Mars, with a dramatized story in which two Asian-American astronauts venture to Mars in 2033. A digital-only prequel series, Before Mars, will focus on the two astronauts before they ship off planet. Joon and Hana Seung are twin sisters who find themselves in a rural American town after relocating with their mother. One of the sisters finds a ham radio which allows her to befriend a female astronaut on the International Space Station. Before Mars will be directed by Lloyd Lee Choi, while MARS will be directed by Everado Gout. There is currently no release date for the Before Mars prequel series. The video can be viewed via YouTube at: https://youtu.be/mPuTlZYDbh4 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /EX In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi- tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT Office. Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu- dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status. Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership information. 73, This week's ANS Editor, EMike McCardel, AA8EM) aa8em at amsat dot org From richard.siff at verizon.net Sun Oct 30 10:37:33 2016 From: richard.siff at verizon.net (Rich/wa4bue) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 06:37:33 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Chip for LVB Tracker Message-ID: <068B62D176654ED68E6D4B1DAC565276@BanjoPC> K4AMG has a LVB tracker. It lost memory and has been at least temporarily reset. It was purchased in 2013. The tracker and electronics are stored at another location. I think the chip is U-1, PIC16F876. What is a vendor source for the chip? God Bless R W4BUE Founder K4AMG K4AMG.org From dnkucij at myfairpoint.net Sun Oct 30 17:05:38 2016 From: dnkucij at myfairpoint.net (Daniel "Nick" Kucij) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 13:05:38 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale: Original AMSAT Mode J Desense Filter Message-ID: For Sale: This is an original AMSAT Mode J Desense Filter, it was handcrafted by Joe D?Arcy, W7TYN, to the specifications described on the web page http://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/w6shp/jfilter.html This type of filter can be used in a Mode J satellite station (uplink on 2m, downlink on 70cm) to reduce the problem of the uplink signal desensing the receiver. The filter has low insertion loss (typically less than 0.5 dB) in the 70cm band and good rejection (typically over 50dB) in the 2m band. Ideally, the filter should be inserted between the 70cm antenna and the 70cm preamp. It is not recommended to be transmitted through. Crafted from 3? copper pipe, Joe added silver and teflon trim coax fittings to the input and output connections, this piece of AMSAT history could either be a functional addition to your station or a wonderful conversation piece up on the shack shelf! Cost $20.00 plus USPS flat rate shipping of $13.50. Can send a photo upon request. 73, Nick, KB1RVT From normanlizeth at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 21:38:46 2016 From: normanlizeth at gmail.com (Norm n3ykf) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:38:46 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Chip for LVB Tracker In-Reply-To: <068B62D176654ED68E6D4B1DAC565276@BanjoPC> References: <068B62D176654ED68E6D4B1DAC565276@BanjoPC> Message-ID: Retrofitting the LVB tracker with a Mega2560 is pretty simple. K3NG's code, the original 16x2 lcd, buttons and a shoehorn. Had to drill a few holes, too. Added a GPS, it also has a stop/run switch as well as sun and moon tracking. Time out feature, blah, blah, blah. Did I forget? It has a USB port. We have truly entered the new century. Works just fine with PST rotator or satpc32. On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:37 AM, Rich/wa4bue wrote: > K4AMG has a LVB tracker. It lost memory and has been at least temporarily reset. It was purchased in 2013. The tracker and electronics are stored at another location. I think the chip is U-1, PIC16F876. > > What is a vendor source for the chip? > > God Bless > > R > W4BUE > Founder K4AMG > K4AMG.org > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From kellyrkeeton at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 23:12:56 2016 From: kellyrkeeton at gmail.com (Kelly Keeton) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:12:56 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Chip for LVB Tracker In-Reply-To: <068B62D176654ED68E6D4B1DAC565276@BanjoPC> References: <068B62D176654ED68E6D4B1DAC565276@BanjoPC> Message-ID: If the PIC died likely needs replaced direct from source - not a off the shelf part/ custom programmed chip. Also abnormal for a PIC to wipe clean. I also agree using mega to replace it has longer term viability. Sent from a mobile device. > On Oct 30, 2016, at 3:37 AM, Rich/wa4bue wrote: > > K4AMG has a LVB tracker. It lost memory and has been at least temporarily reset. It was purchased in 2013. The tracker and electronics are stored at another location. I think the chip is U-1, PIC16F876. > > What is a vendor source for the chip? > > God Bless > > R > W4BUE > Founder K4AMG > K4AMG.org > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From onmontauk at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 23:20:29 2016 From: onmontauk at gmail.com (Steve A) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:20:29 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Trip Message-ID: Again I Have a car and will be traveling before and after the Symposium. Anyone looking to tag along? Steve W2AKK onmontauk at gmail.com From les at highnoonfilm.com Sun Oct 30 23:37:51 2016 From: les at highnoonfilm.com (Les Rayburn) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:37:51 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D74A for Satellite Work Message-ID: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> I?m sure this must have come up before, but unfortunately I missed the discussion. Curious if anyone on the list has tried the new Kenwood TH-D74A for satellite work on the FM birds? Is the rig truly dual-band like the TH-D72A? 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL EM63nf Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. From kb1pvh at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 23:40:34 2016 From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:40:34 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D74A for Satellite Work In-Reply-To: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> References: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> Message-ID: Les, Patrick WD9EWK has been testing his and has written about it here https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/kenwood-th-d74a-for-satellite-work.540096/ Dave-KB1PVH On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > I?m sure this must have come up before, but unfortunately I missed the > discussion. > > Curious if anyone on the list has tried the new Kenwood TH-D74A for > satellite work on the FM birds? Is the rig truly dual-band like the TH-D72A? > > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > 121 Mayfair Park > Maylene, AL > EM63nf > > Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. > > Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, > Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net Mon Oct 31 00:29:11 2016 From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 00:29:11 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D74A for Satellite Work In-Reply-To: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> References: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> Message-ID: Hi Les! I bought a TH-D74A when they became available at the Phoenix HRO store just over a month ago. Unlike what was being said at Dayton earlier this year, the TH-D74A is not capable of cross-band full- duplex operation like the TH-D72 and TH-D7 HTs. With that said, the HT has a lot going for it, like also including the 222 MHz band and an all-mode receiver from the TH-F6A, D-Star (this appears to work very similar to how Icom's ID-51A operates in D-Star mode), an audio recorder, and more. Dave KB1PVH listed the link where I have been posting my comments about this radio as I have used it on the satellites. The packet/APRS functionality is also good, but with the ISS packet station down and NO-84's digipeater only activated infrequently, it may be a while before packet is available via satellite. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > I?m sure this must have come up before, but unfortunately I missed the > discussion. > > Curious if anyone on the list has tried the new Kenwood TH-D74A for > satellite work on the FM birds? Is the rig truly dual-band like the TH-D72A? > > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > From mikesprenger at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 01:18:00 2016 From: mikesprenger at gmail.com (Mike Sprenger) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Chip for LVB Tracker In-Reply-To: References: <068B62D176654ED68E6D4B1DAC565276@BanjoPC> Message-ID: <0298763F-029A-49D4-B867-A459BD298E5D@gmail.com> Ditto I've made up 5 of the arduinos loaded with the K3NG software for G5400 antenna controllers. That code is a huge benefit to our amateur community. Next I'm making an arduino with the same code configured for azimuth only for the hf beam. Works great. I'd recommend recycling what you can for the case and buttons Etc and put a 16x2 display on the mega and get it going that way. Thanks, Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kelly Keeton wrote: > > If the PIC died likely needs replaced direct from source - not a off the shelf part/ custom programmed chip. Also abnormal for a PIC to wipe clean. > > I also agree using mega to replace it has longer term viability. > > Sent from a mobile device. > >> On Oct 30, 2016, at 3:37 AM, Rich/wa4bue wrote: >> >> K4AMG has a LVB tracker. It lost memory and has been at least temporarily reset. It was purchased in 2013. The tracker and electronics are stored at another location. I think the chip is U-1, PIC16F876. >> >> What is a vendor source for the chip? >> >> God Bless >> >> R >> W4BUE >> Founder K4AMG >> K4AMG.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From david.xe3dx at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 01:28:51 2016 From: david.xe3dx at gmail.com (David Maciel (XE3DX)) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:28:51 -0600 Subject: [amsat-bb] Record on SAT FM - SSB ? Message-ID: Anybody know any record of distances in contact Satellite FM and SSB? David Maciel XE3DX *http://www.qsl.net/xe3dx/ * *david.xe3dx at gmail.com * From n8hm at arrl.net Mon Oct 31 01:30:16 2016 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:30:16 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Record on SAT FM - SSB ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been collecting claimed distance records on each satellite for a while here: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4751 I still need to update SO-50's since the record listed here was broken last weekend. 73, Paul, N8HM On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:28 PM, David Maciel (XE3DX) wrote: > Anybody know any record of distances in contact Satellite FM and SSB? > > > > > > David Maciel XE3DX > > *http://www.qsl.net/xe3dx/ * > > *david.xe3dx at gmail.com * > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From vk2fak at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 02:06:34 2016 From: vk2fak at gmail.com (John Mac) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 02:06:34 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] tlm database Message-ID: Hi all... Just wanting to know if the PE0SAT Tlm db is down, or is it just the access site thats down...? John From scott23192 at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 02:17:25 2016 From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 22:17:25 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] tlm database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not coming up for me either at the moment, John. Using a web browser, that is. I have not had any telemetry to upload for several hours, so can't speak to that. However, I've seen it not respond once or twice in the past and it came back online an hour or so later. Assumed it was system maintenance or something similar. -Scott, K4KDR ============================ On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, John Mac wrote: > Hi all... > > Just wanting to know if the PE0SAT Tlm db is down, or is it just the > access site thats down...? > > John From pe0sat at vgnet.nl Mon Oct 31 06:40:11 2016 From: pe0sat at vgnet.nl (PE0SAT | Amateur Radio) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:40:11 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] tlm database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c336391a96997a22faf000d0d949b43@vgnet.nl> Good morning, Sorry for the inconvenience, I 'll look into it right away. It seems the system provider has some issues with his SAN/NAS infrastructure that is causing the issue. 73 Jan PE0SAT On 31-10-2016 03:17, Scott wrote: > Not coming up for me either at the moment, John. Using a web browser, > that > is. > > I have not had any telemetry to upload for several hours, so can't > speak to > that. > > However, I've seen it not respond once or twice in the past and it > came > back online an hour or so later. Assumed it was system maintenance or > something similar. > > -Scott, K4KDR > > ============================ > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, John Mac wrote: > >> Hi all... >> >> Just wanting to know if the PE0SAT Tlm db is down, or is it just the >> access site thats down...? >> >> John > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/ DK3WN SatBlog http://www.dk3wn.info/p/ irc://chat.freenode.net #Cubesat - Twitter @pe0sat From pe0sat at vgnet.nl Mon Oct 31 09:27:29 2016 From: pe0sat at vgnet.nl (PE0SAT | Amateur Radio) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:27:29 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] TLMDB (Online Telemetry database error) In-Reply-To: <7c336391a96997a22faf000d0d949b43@vgnet.nl> References: <7c336391a96997a22faf000d0d949b43@vgnet.nl> Message-ID: <5dd0e6eb95334fc0d67d8c13766d89e1@vgnet.nl> Update: Outage is resolved Thanks for your continuing support. 73 Jan PE0SAT -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/ DK3WN SatBlog http://www.dk3wn.info/p/ Online Telemetry Database: http://tlm.pe0sat.nl/ irc://chat.freenode.net #Cubesat - Twitter @pe0sat On 31-10-2016 07:40, PE0SAT | Amateur Radio wrote: > Good morning, > > Sorry for the inconvenience, I 'll look into it right away. > > It seems the system provider has some issues with his SAN/NAS > infrastructure > that is causing the issue. > > > 73 Jan PE0SAT > > > > On 31-10-2016 03:17, Scott wrote: >> Not coming up for me either at the moment, John. Using a web >> browser, that >> is. >> I have not had any telemetry to upload for several hours, so can't >> speak to >> that. >> However, I've seen it not respond once or twice in the past and it >> came >> back online an hour or so later. Assumed it was system maintenance >> or >> something similar. >> -Scott, K4KDR >> ============================ >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, John Mac wrote: >> >>> Hi all... >>> Just wanting to know if the PE0SAT Tlm db is down, or is it just the >>> access site thats down...? >>> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb From bruninga at usna.edu Mon Oct 31 12:32:20 2016 From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:32:20 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D74A for Satellite Work In-Reply-To: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> References: <2BC5AEEA-DB59-481B-91A8-12A84F690150@highnoonfilm.com> Message-ID: It is dual band but not full duplex. The model TH-D72 is the full duplex one. Bob -----Original Message----- > I?m sure this must have come up before, but unfortunately I missed the > discussion. > Curious if anyone on the list has tried the new Kenwood TH-D74A for > satellite work on the FM birds? Is the rig truly dual-band like the > TH-D72A? From LB2TG at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 12:05:50 2016 From: LB2TG at hotmail.com (LB2TG Paul) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:05:50 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32-icom 910h-subtone.sqf Message-ID: Hello. Can anyone help with the syntax in the subtone.sqf for ic-910? I have tried "almost everthing" but the subtone are still in the standard value 88.5 I can set it manually to 67.0 and 74.4 for SO-50. I also see that I have to change "NOR" and "REV" manually. Maybe some can write this line correct for Icom IC-910? SO-50,67.0,??? SO-50,74.4,??? When I connect, and change the settings, my old TS-790 works great. 73, Paul LB2TG From LB2TG at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 12:44:19 2016 From: LB2TG at hotmail.com (LB2TG Paul) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:44:19 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 (12.8c)-icom 910-subtone.sqf Message-ID: Hello. Can anyone help with the syntax in the subtone.sqf for ic-910? I have tried "almost everthing" but the subtone are still in the standard value 88.5 I can set it manually to 67.0 and 74.4 for SO-50. I also see that I have to change "NOR" and "REV" manually. Maybe some can write this line correct for Icom IC-910? SO-50,67.0,??? SO-50,74.4,??? When I connect, and change the settings for the rig, my old TS-790 works great. 73, Paul LB2TG From w4upd at cfl.rr.com Mon Oct 31 13:32:38 2016 From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:32:38 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 (12.8c)-icom 910-subtone.sqf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <581747F6.7000704@cfl.rr.com> My IC-910 settings: The following lines for SubTone.SQF are in my file for SO-50 and work fine. SO-50,67.0,$3F,1 SO-50,74.4,$3E,3 The following in Doppler.SQF SO-50,436795,145850,FM,FM,NOR,0,0 Make sure under MODE setup you use 60$ for the IC-910. You shouldn't have to do anything manually unless you want to override for a particular reason. Reid, W4UPD On 10/31/2016 8:44 AM, LB2TG Paul wrote: > Hello. > > Can anyone help with the syntax in the subtone.sqf for ic-910? > I have tried "almost everthing" but the subtone are still in the standard value 88.5 > I can set it manually to 67.0 and 74.4 for SO-50. > I also see that I have to change "NOR" and "REV" manually. > > Maybe some can write this line correct for Icom IC-910? > > SO-50,67.0,??? > SO-50,74.4,??? > > When I connect, and change the settings for the rig, my old TS-790 works great. > > 73, Paul LB2TG > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > From w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 13:48:04 2016 From: w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com (Paul Andrews) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:48:04 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] FT-847 for Sale Message-ID: FT-847 for Sale. Priced to sell quickly - $1000 HF 100W / 2M 50W / 70cm 50W / All Mode Excellent condition. User Manual. - True full duplex radio for satellite with CAT Control - Includes Fun Dongle Plus for IF Panadapter. (Included) - Mod for independent TX / RX ports - Mod for IF Tap for Panadapter - Mod for Khune Xtal Heater - Mods can be easily removed if requested. I also have an - M2 2MCP22 - Assembled New Unused - M2 436CP42UG - Assembled New Unused - Sold as a pair - Make an offer Contact W2HRO for additional details. From clintbrad4d at earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 15:46:30 2016 From: clintbrad4d at earthlink.net (Clint Bradford) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:46:30 -0700 Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D74A for Satellite Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460A2EBF-CBE6-4CF5-BFBC-DF8964C4B2C9@earthlink.net> NO - The new US$650 Kenwood THD-74a will NOT perform in true, full-duplex mode like the '72a. And will NOT be firmware-upgraded to do so. There is a rumor that Kenwood might be considering the 'D72a as a "replacement" for the TH-F6a - again, just a rumor, but from a good source. Want a SINGLE rig to perform U/V and V/U modes for the FM birds? The Kenwood TH-D72a at US$390. I am trying to work a couple more passes with the HRO-distributed Powerwerx UV-9D(Plus) on SO-50 - to see how well it does on both U/V and V/U FM voice modes. Clint Bradford K6LCS http:/www.work-sat.com PS Don't forget the Palm Springs HamFest on Saturday, February 4, 2017, being held at the beautiful Palm Springs Air Museum! Satellite presentation at 11am in the Major General Ken Miles Aviation Science Center. SO-50 pass right before that ... plenty of ham history, aeronautical history, and plenty for the family to do for just $8 admission! From w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:53:21 2016 From: w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com (Paul Andrews) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:53:21 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] FT-847 for Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks AMSAT-BB The FT-847 has been sold. -------------- The M2 satellite antennas are still available: - M2 2MCP22 - Assembled New Unused - $250 - M2 436CP42UG - Assembled New Unused - $250 Local pickup or delivery is best. 73 - Paul - W2HRO On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Paul Andrews wrote: > FT-847 for Sale. Priced to sell quickly - $1000 > > HF 100W / 2M 50W / 70cm 50W / All Mode > Excellent condition. User Manual. > > - True full duplex radio for satellite with CAT Control > - Includes Fun Dongle Plus for IF Panadapter. (Included) > - Mod for independent TX / RX ports > - Mod for IF Tap for Panadapter > - Mod for Khune Xtal Heater > - Mods can be easily removed if requested. > > I also have an > > - M2 2MCP22 - Assembled New Unused > - M2 436CP42UG - Assembled New Unused > - Sold as a pair - Make an offer > > Contact W2HRO for additional details. From erich.eichmann at t-online.de Mon Oct 31 22:16:46 2016 From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 23:16:46 +0100 Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 (12.8c)-icom 910-subtone.sqf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1350355f-010c-8fe4-1cdb-0f10973ade23@t-online.de> Paul, the subtone.sqf that comes with SatPC32 should work. A reason of the problem could be: With the American version of the IC-910H you need the SatPC32 version for American users, with the European model the program version for European users. The two models models are different regarding control of the sub tone functions and with the wrong SatPC32 version sub tone control doesn't work. The REV/NOR parameter in Doppler.SQF doesn't switch the radio between revers and normal satellite tracking. With REV the program changes uplink and downlink in the opposite directions when you tune around the passband, with NOR in the same directions (only AO-07 in mode A at present). With FM sats the setting is meaningless. 73s, Erich, DK1TB Am 31.10.2016 um 13:44 schrieb LB2TG Paul: > Hello. > > Can anyone help with the syntax in the subtone.sqf for ic-910? > I have tried "almost everthing" but the subtone are still in the standard value 88.5 > I can set it manually to 67.0 and 74.4 for SO-50. > I also see that I have to change "NOR" and "REV" manually. > > Maybe some can write this line correct for Icom IC-910? > > SO-50,67.0,??? > SO-50,74.4,??? > > When I connect, and change the settings for the rig, my old TS-790 works great. > > 73, Paul LB2TG > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb