From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Dec  1 01:32:14 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:32:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [keps] Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution for
	11-30-2017
In-Reply-To: <BC50E06D2DF744B087F6F4B6FA2AEC6D@ray45af0265077>
References: <BC50E06D2DF744B087F6F4B6FA2AEC6D@ray45af0265077>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOq5QVMZ4XUUJ0zVOnvWxXoT4vS_hQeP3-zf9eT=ns2yQg@mail.gmail.com>

For those using AMSAT keps to track AO-91, please note that the
satellite has been identified as object number 43017. The previous
distribution used 43016. This may cause some odd behavior with certain
tracking apps when updating keps. You may need to delete and re-add
AO-91.

73,

Paul, N8HM


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ray Hoad <ray.hoad at mypbmail.com>
Date: Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:05 PM
Subject: [keps] Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution for 11-30-2017
To: KEPS <keps at amsat.org>


As promised, AO-91 (FOX-1B) is now NORAD CAT ID 43017. This should be
the last change of object number. Thanks to all who have labored to
finally come to this point.

Also I have added EcAMSat (NORAD CAT ID 43019) to this week's AMSAT-NA
TLE Distribution.
EcAMSat was developed through a partnership between NASA's Ames
Research Center and Standford University School of medicine and has
only a data downlink on 437.095 MHz. See the following AMSAT News
Service Bulletin ANS-330 link for more information.  Thanks to Nico
Janssen, PA0DLO for satellite ID.

http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/ans/2017/000998.html

Ray Hoad, WA5QGD
Orbital Elements Manager


_______________________________________________
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http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps

From matthew at mrstevens.net  Fri Dec  1 01:37:34 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:37:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: [keps] Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution for
	11-30-2017
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOq5QVMZ4XUUJ0zVOnvWxXoT4vS_hQeP3-zf9eT=ns2yQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC50E06D2DF744B087F6F4B6FA2AEC6D@ray45af0265077>
	<CABzOSOq5QVMZ4XUUJ0zVOnvWxXoT4vS_hQeP3-zf9eT=ns2yQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12A61023-4A58-403B-B5AF-6DB3F4B6DFA7@mrstevens.net>

Yep... as i just found out when I updated ProSat and it crashed :-)

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 20:32, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> For those using AMSAT keps to track AO-91, please note that the
> satellite has been identified as object number 43017. The previous
> distribution used 43016. This may cause some odd behavior with certain
> tracking apps when updating keps. You may need to delete and re-add
> AO-91.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ray Hoad <ray.hoad at mypbmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:05 PM
> Subject: [keps] Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution for 11-30-2017
> To: KEPS <keps at amsat.org>
> 
> 
> As promised, AO-91 (FOX-1B) is now NORAD CAT ID 43017. This should be
> the last change of object number. Thanks to all who have labored to
> finally come to this point.
> 
> Also I have added EcAMSat (NORAD CAT ID 43019) to this week's AMSAT-NA
> TLE Distribution.
> EcAMSat was developed through a partnership between NASA's Ames
> Research Center and Standford University School of medicine and has
> only a data downlink on 437.095 MHz. See the following AMSAT News
> Service Bulletin ANS-330 link for more information.  Thanks to Nico
> Janssen, PA0DLO for satellite ID.
> 
> http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/ans/2017/000998.html
> 
> Ray Hoad, WA5QGD
> Orbital Elements Manager
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Via the Keps mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA
> http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps
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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Dec  1 01:59:23 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 01:59:23 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT @ Superstition Superfest in Mesa AZ (2 December
	2017)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcgry91e_PrJU7=CmRr9j7zqs3eaW0XnhT93Zn1a3o+TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I will have an AMSAT table at the Superstition Amateur Radio Club's
Superstition Superfest on Saturday, 2 December 2017, in Mesa AZ. The
hamfest will be in the south parking lot of Mesa Community College,
along the east side of Dobson Road between Southern Avenue and US-60
exit 177. More information about the hamfest is available at:

https://www.superstitionsuperfest.org/

WD9EWK will be on various satellite passes during the hamfest. If
you hear WD9EWK on a pass, please feel free to call and be a part
of the demonstrations. After the hamfest, all QSOs with WD9EWK from
the hamfest will be uploaded to Logbook of the World. QSL cards are
available on request; please e-mail me with the QSO details if you
would like to receive a QSL card. The hamfest is in grid DM43.

Thanks in advance, and 73!






Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK

From k7trkradio at charter.net  Fri Dec  1 03:50:25 2017
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:50:25 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
Message-ID: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>

Hello,

 

What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !

 

Hints appreciated

 

73, Ted

K7TRK


From osbornes at paradise.net.nz  Fri Dec  1 03:57:14 2017
From: osbornes at paradise.net.nz (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:57:14 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming Rocket Lab Launch
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkOpwMOyu33CF9eXwP+yichPrcJW2Q--uMKuuqCgDGOYnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7QzkOpwMOyu33CF9eXwP+yichPrcJW2Q--uMKuuqCgDGOYnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93FB1251534444FC819EFFF4B606EFCC@OsbornesPC>

The Rocket "Still Testing" is on site and they are planning to stream video.
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/rocket-lab-still-testing-launch-window-announced/
NZDT is UTC +13 hours so streaming would be from about 01:15 UTC.

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC



From scott23192 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 04:55:37 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:55:37 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
In-Reply-To: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
References: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZFHvshwFG0N39ibwG18RytRbNLkQXrT_6-7bRhf1F8SA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ted.

I do my tracking & freq control with Orbitron:

http://www.stoff.pl/orbitron/files/orbitron.exe

... and just to see the AOS times & peak elevations, I have several
bookmarks for various sats on the "Heavens Above" site such as:

http://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=37.8152&lng=-77.6765&loc=23192&alt=101&tz=EST

(be sure to check the "All" button to show every pass, not just the ones
that would be visible to the eye... and of course set the location for your
house)

-Scott,  K4KDR

=========================

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !
>
> Hints appreciated
>
> 73, Ted
> K7TRK

From ka3hsw at att.net  Fri Dec  1 05:08:04 2017
From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:08:04 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Question - Icom IC910-H full duplex operation using
	theData jack inputs
In-Reply-To: <007401d369eb$8b4089d0$a1c19d70$@gmail.com>
References: <007401d369eb$8b4089d0$a1c19d70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41B9B229E5E247E5AAF7C6AD4AD167DB@RadioRoomPC>

Did you enable 9k6 transmission thru the menu?


George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of N6RFM1 gmail
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:57 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Question - Icom IC910-H full duplex operation using
theData jack inputs

I have an IC-910H question maybe someone can help with? 

 
Would like to set up mine for full duplex to work Falconsast-3 using the
Data  jacks for TX/RX data jacks for I/O but cannot seem to get the TX input
side working.  I do get RX data out of the radio no problem, so issue seems
isolated to TX input side of the Data jacks.
 
In brief, I made a cable so that the output of an UZ7HO sound modem will
pass audio into the Data jack input.  The cable ohms out OK, but I do not
seem to be getting the data/audio into the radio via either Data jack.  I
have set the audio going into the data jacks at ~ 0.4 V p-p.  I am aware
that when the rig is in Satellite mode, the Data jacks act in reverse.
 
To troubleshoot further, I have tried Split mode.  As I understand, this
should leverage the Main Data jack only? With the radio in split FM mode
only, even if I feed a 1k2 tone to the Main or Sub Data jack input and key
the radio (by pushing the front panel TX button), I cannot hear modulation
on a second radio set up to monitor the IC-910H TX frequency.   Have also
tried all sorts of combinations for the Main and Sub Data inputs, but no
joy.  

 

Is it required to assert PTT from the Data jack itself?

 

BYW, I already have 1K2 packet set up for the sound modem using the ACC
jack.  Works FB.  I'd just like to use the Data jacks for 9K2.  
 
 Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot further?  I will try an even lower
audio input level (as suggested by N8MH), but the TX light is bright with
0.4 V input suggesting that the automatic limiter may not be the problem?  

 

Hopefully, I have missed something very simple.  Direct email replies OK
too.  

 

Thanks,

 

Bob

N6RFM

 

n6rfm at gmail.com

 

 

 

 

 

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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Fri Dec  1 05:10:50 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:10:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
In-Reply-To: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
References: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <49D14FCD-9A5B-4E5B-9961-6FD80A48E430@mrstevens.net>

Gpredict works well. Just right click on the sat name, hit future passes, and it?ll show you like 7 days worth

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 22:50, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !
> 
> 
> 
> Hints appreciated
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ted
> 
> K7TRK
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From k7trkradio at charter.net  Fri Dec  1 05:03:35 2017
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:03:35 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
In-Reply-To: <CAJCSnOZFHvshwFG0N39ibwG18RytRbNLkQXrT_6-7bRhf1F8SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
	<CAJCSnOZFHvshwFG0N39ibwG18RytRbNLkQXrT_6-7bRhf1F8SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009101d36a61$be5882c0$3b098840$@charter.net>

Thanks, Scott...Dave, Kb1PVH is mentoring me through SatPC32. I will check
out the heavens above site for AOS predictions

Thank you for the help

73, Ted
K7TRK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:56 PM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?

Hey Ted.

I do my tracking & freq control with Orbitron:

http://www.stoff.pl/orbitron/files/orbitron.exe

... and just to see the AOS times & peak elevations, I have several
bookmarks for various sats on the "Heavens Above" site such as:

http://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=37.8152&lng=-7
7.6765&loc=23192&alt=101&tz=EST

(be sure to check the "All" button to show every pass, not just the ones
that would be visible to the eye... and of course set the location for your
house)

-Scott,  K4KDR

=========================

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !
>
> Hints appreciated
>
> 73, Ted
> K7TRK
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Fri Dec  1 06:59:42 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 01:59:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-01 06:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <426edf.4af83d1c.475257de@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-01  06:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

S.G.B. De La Salle, Rome, Italy and Istituto Comprensivo  Luigi Nono, Mira, 
Italy, telebridge via W6SRJ
The ISS callsign is presently  scheduled to be IR?ISS 
The scheduled astronaut is Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA  
Contact was successful: Thu 2017-11-30 08:04:20 UTC 73 deg   (***)
Watch for live stream at  
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ari-riviera-del-brenta-live

Bishop  Hendricken High School and its sister school, St. Mary Academy - 
Bay View,  Warwick, RI, telebridge via IK1SLD 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be IR?ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Paolo Nespoli 
Contact was  successful: Thu 2017-11-30 17:02:09 UTC 61 deg  (***)
Watch for live  stream of this event at tinyurl.com/ISSchat2017 or  
https://livestream.com/accounts/9685187/events/7946215 starting at 16:35 UTC  (***)

School of Telecommunications and Aerospace Engineering  (EETAC), 
Castelldefels, Spain, direct via EG3UPC
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be OR4ISS 
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei  KG5GNP
Contact is a go for: Mon 2017-12-04 15:10:12 UTC 43  deg

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 (***)
Satoshi 7M3TJZ  with 124 
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-01 06:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1195.  (***)
Each school  counts as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is  1144. (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-01 06:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  1 08:57:35 2017
From: yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com (Suryono Adisoemarta)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:57:35 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
In-Reply-To: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
References: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CFF0BCB8-614A-4F4E-809F-523452353171@yahoo.com>

Hi Ted,

I use Orbitron.


73 de Yono YD0NXX 


Sent from my mobile device

> On Dec 1, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !
> 
> 
> 
> Hints appreciated
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ted
> 
> K7TRK
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From Mvivona at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  1 13:12:14 2017
From: Mvivona at yahoo.com (Mvivona)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:12:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
In-Reply-To: <49D14FCD-9A5B-4E5B-9961-6FD80A48E430@mrstevens.net>
References: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
	<49D14FCD-9A5B-4E5B-9961-6FD80A48E430@mrstevens.net>
Message-ID: <F7A43D54-6FD0-4E5D-87A2-B45A5F50A441@yahoo.com>

Ted,
First - I have yet to see any program come close to the GUI that Ham radio deluxe's satellite module has. Instead of a list of times it shows a visual representation, kind of like a small graph of each satellite's pass for your QTH. You click on the graph/picture that you want to follow and it takes you to the globe layout showing the overhead pass like other programs do. 

Second - Gpredict 

Note - SatPC32 is the gold standard and best supported PC program to use for rig and rotor control but a little old school on its prediction list. 


Michael KC4ZVA

On Dec 1, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net> wrote:

Gpredict works well. Just right click on the sat name, hit future passes, and it?ll show you like 7 days worth

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 22:50, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !
> 
> 
> 
> Hints appreciated
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ted
> 
> K7TRK
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From pconver at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 14:26:01 2017
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:26:01 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC?
In-Reply-To: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
References: <008401d36a57$85a70190$90f504b0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CANTZqKkXE0T1hLtDT3Hp1+=ZvhhAhE_cLEnWZHn=FEscfU10bg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ted,

Try http://amsat.org.ar/pass and/or http:amsat.org.ar/pass.exe (this last
for Dopplers/rotor control), it's free.

It's far for being a 'gold standard', but will ease satellite hunt and
operation.

Provides AOS/LOS graphs & schedules both in graphics and tabular form, no
need to update keps.

Good Luck, enjoy the birds.

73, lu7abf, Pedro

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Ted <k7trkradio at charter.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> Clearly, after playing with WinAos for an hour, that is not the program !
>
>
>
> Hints appreciated
>
>
>
> 73, Ted
>
> K7TRK
>
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From n6rfm1 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 13:44:58 2017
From: n6rfm1 at gmail.com (N6RFM1 gmail)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:44:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Question - Icom IC910-H full duplex operation using
	theData jack inputs
In-Reply-To: <41B9B229E5E247E5AAF7C6AD4AD167DB@RadioRoomPC>
References: <007401d369eb$8b4089d0$a1c19d70$@gmail.com>
	<41B9B229E5E247E5AAF7C6AD4AD167DB@RadioRoomPC>
Message-ID: <002401d36aaa$955497d0$bffdc770$@gmail.com>

Thanks George.  

Yup, 9K6 was enabled.  
N8HM suggests that PTT must be asserted at the Data jack, and not from the
front of the rig.  Will try that next.  
B.


-----Original Message-----
From: George Henry [mailto:ka3hsw at att.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 12:08 AM
To: 'N6RFM1 gmail' <n6rfm1 at gmail.com>; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Question - Icom IC910-H full duplex operation using
theData jack inputs

Did you enable 9k6 transmission thru the menu?


George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of N6RFM1 gmail
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:57 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Question - Icom IC910-H full duplex operation using
theData jack inputs

I have an IC-910H question maybe someone can help with? 

 
Would like to set up mine for full duplex to work Falconsast-3 using the
Data  jacks for TX/RX data jacks for I/O but cannot seem to get the TX input
side working.  I do get RX data out of the radio no problem, so issue seems
isolated to TX input side of the Data jacks.
 
In brief, I made a cable so that the output of an UZ7HO sound modem will
pass audio into the Data jack input.  The cable ohms out OK, but I do not
seem to be getting the data/audio into the radio via either Data jack.  I
have set the audio going into the data jacks at ~ 0.4 V p-p.  I am aware
that when the rig is in Satellite mode, the Data jacks act in reverse.
 
To troubleshoot further, I have tried Split mode.  As I understand, this
should leverage the Main Data jack only? With the radio in split FM mode
only, even if I feed a 1k2 tone to the Main or Sub Data jack input and key
the radio (by pushing the front panel TX button), I cannot hear modulation
on a second radio set up to monitor the IC-910H TX frequency.   Have also
tried all sorts of combinations for the Main and Sub Data inputs, but no
joy.  

 

Is it required to assert PTT from the Data jack itself?

 

BYW, I already have 1K2 packet set up for the sound modem using the ACC
jack.  Works FB.  I'd just like to use the Data jacks for 9K2.  
 
 Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot further?  I will try an even lower
audio input level (as suggested by N8MH), but the TX light is bright with
0.4 V input suggesting that the automatic limiter may not be the problem?  

 

Hopefully, I have missed something very simple.  Direct email replies OK
too.  

 

Thanks,

 

Bob

N6RFM

 

n6rfm at gmail.com

 

 

 

 

 

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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Dec  1 18:25:54 2017
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 13:25:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC? (Simple Window Graphic!)
Message-ID: <c293c6e9ca58f9651d11c45187cead8a@mail.gmail.com>

> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?

To me, it is this tiny 4k graphic that was displayed at the bottom of every
APRStk screen 20 years ago.  It was everything I wanted in a tracking
program:

http://aprs.org/AMSAT/APRSTK-bar.png    Please look at it.

It?s a horizontal graphic only an inch tall but wide.  The horizontal axis
is in increments of ten minutes out to 3 hours.  The vertical is 0 to 90
degrees elevation.  Every pass then in the next 3 hours shows as a hump.

So in an instant,  you can see what satellites are coming up, when, and how
high.  That is all you need to know whether a pass is worth taking or not.
The deep blue one in the background was AO40 at the time that would be in
view for many hours...  All the others are LEO's.

I'd keep this on my PC always running all the time.

And one can differentiate by colors.  One for AX.25, one for voice, one for
linear, one for bleep sats and so on.  This particular screen shot shows the
humps filled in.  But with so many sateliltes now, the hump should just be a
solid line so you can see under them.

If someone would write this in modern code instead of DOSbasic, I'd buy it!

Bob, Wb4aPR

From w8aas at verizon.net  Fri Dec  1 20:05:54 2017
From: w8aas at verizon.net (Dave Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:05:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AOS predictor for PC? (Simple Window Graphic!)
In-Reply-To: <c293c6e9ca58f9651d11c45187cead8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c293c6e9ca58f9651d11c45187cead8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D09E144-FFCB-4C48-98D1-11FA9F2AD035@verizon.net>

It is a very handy prediction tool.  MacDoppler does this.

Dave, W8AAS

> On Dec 1, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> 
>> What is the 'gold standard' for AOS predictions on a PC (no phones, pls)?
> 
> To me, it is this tiny 4k graphic that was displayed at the bottom of every
> APRStk screen 20 years ago.  It was everything I wanted in a tracking
> program:
> 
> http://aprs.org/AMSAT/APRSTK-bar.png    Please look at it.
> 
> It?s a horizontal graphic only an inch tall but wide.  The horizontal axis
> is in increments of ten minutes out to 3 hours.  The vertical is 0 to 90
> degrees elevation.  Every pass then in the next 3 hours shows as a hump.
> 
> So in an instant,  you can see what satellites are coming up, when, and how
> high.  That is all you need to know whether a pass is worth taking or not.
> The deep blue one in the background was AO40 at the time that would be in
> view for many hours...  All the others are LEO's.
> 
> I'd keep this on my PC always running all the time.
> 
> And one can differentiate by colors.  One for AX.25, one for voice, one for
> linear, one for bleep sats and so on.  This particular screen shot shows the
> humps filled in.  But with so many sateliltes now, the hump should just be a
> solid line so you can see under them.
> 
> If someone would write this in modern code instead of DOSbasic, I'd buy it!
> 
> Bob, Wb4aPR
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From wa4sca at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 20:51:28 2017
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 14:51:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-91 Keps now available from CelesTrak
Message-ID: <000301d36ae6$29429c90$7bc7d5b0$@gmail.com>

Since AO-91 was not part of a classified launch, the Keps are now available in the amateur.txt file.  It is listed as FOX-1B (AO-91).  If you are using SatPC32, you can show it as AS-91 by adding this line to the AmsatNames.txt file:

43017 17073E   AO-91

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA



From lanekg at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 01:45:07 2017
From: lanekg at gmail.com (Greg Lane)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:45:07 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Saturday Dec 2nd Samson AL Passes EM61
In-Reply-To: <CAKBWdLqmBK__iv1cqET2a1hDnkJ7hGW=_xbhK2mOO=8_weAwVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKBWdLpGrdpSPy23nbdN8u6Ay7dtTBH7T77pRgHqN33gve_APg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKBWdLqkB_sCbvZTAuCvBeADx42dacddLGF2jOLOz3_-fTXotg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKBWdLohyc9nc5TQNPWNmLGJaBfZr8GOgW1xZ1n-j3eRRwFxcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKBWdLqdSWFeoYh55tYpuT2KVX_7xc-SnJhwKyjtjzU8zkvpCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKBWdLpLH7UF8SeUf=u9xuNcbvx_2tDhwibehMhw3xH22jgiRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKBWdLod+FrBLzeGVDy8Zg+m9oFo+NuiSPuy-kfVebnB_SzZHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKBWdLqmBK__iv1cqET2a1hDnkJ7hGW=_xbhK2mOO=8_weAwVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKBWdLq_spuWbhcVaOxMwy=hvEONxF3ztDQ6A_PqjaToHUArhw@mail.gmail.com>

I hope to make at least the first one AO-85. Times are Central.

Greg N4KGL

AO-85 will be visible from Samson, on Saturday, December 2 10:29:59 AM
Starting in the NNW (328?)
Ending in the SSE (161?) at 10:44:43 AM
Maximum elevation: 63.6??

AO-91 will be visible from Samson, on Saturday, December 2 11:44:28 AM
Starting in the SE (138?)
Ending in the N (4?) at 11:58:24 AM
Maximum elevation: 26.4??

http://issdetector.com

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec  2 04:24:12 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:24:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with School of Telecommunications
	and Aerospace Engineering (EETAC), Castelldefels, Spain
Message-ID: <205CDA10061A4BD6BB24B626BBC9D843@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at School of Telecommunications and Aerospace Engineering  (EETAC), Castelldefels, Spain on 04 Dec. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 15:10 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and EG3UPC. The contact should be audible over Spain and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

The School of Telecommunications and Aerospace Engineering (EETAC) is a higher education school of the Universitat Polit?cnica de Catalunya - Barcelona TECH that offers Bachelor's degrees, Master's degrees and several Doctoral programs in the fields of Telecommunications and Aerospace

Engineering. The School is renowned for its strong commitment with educational innovation and quality. This commitment is strengthened through a wide research activity strongly related with the industry, aiming at transferring the results to our Society.

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

 

 

1. Why isn't the ISS farther away from Earth? 

2. Is there a protocol that must be followed in case of finding extra- 

   terrestrial life?

3. How do you measure your weight in the space? 

4. Did you watch "The Martian" movie starred by Matt Damon? If it's so, do 

   you think the story might be true in Mars in the distant future?

5. How long does it take to put on the spacesuit?

6. How much energy do you produce with the solar panels and how do you use 

   that energy?

7. How and how often do you receive supplies from the Earth?

8. Do you think that in the near future ordinary citizens will be able to 

   travel to space? 

9. Do you think nowadays, women have the same possibilities as men in the 

   space explorer?

10. Is up there anyone playing any music nowadays? Or just Chris Hadfield   

    used to do that?

11. What time zone do you use in the ISS?

12. How did you feel the first time you slept on the ISS?

13. How do you feel about the image of astronauts shown on TV or cinema 

    compared to your real life?

14. Which was your reaction when you were selected?

15. Can you explain any funny situation that happened there?

16. What are the skills that you need to be there?

17. After several time in the space, do you have another perspective of the 

    life?

18. Is your hair growing as much as it does on Earth?

19. Do you have to sleep fewer hours if you are in space? Why?

20. Could you tell us if you would have accepted to do a space trip with the 

    technology that had been used on the first moon landing?

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

      TBD

 

About ARISS: 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

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From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Sat Dec  2 08:42:51 2017
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 08:42:51 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO73 mode change
Message-ID: <4D1F70CE480845AFBA720796AC26F0BB@LAPTOP91ASAKDB>

Hi All,
Just to confirm that AO73/FUNcube-1 is now in transponder mode for the weekend! Sorry for the delay....
73
Graham
G3VZV

From radiomb at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec  2 03:55:04 2017
From: radiomb at bellsouth.net (radiomb)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 03:55:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>


Hello,?? Seeing the?posts I downloaded Gpredict? to give it a try. I could not find AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current list. Can it be under?some other name? I found a way to add a bird but looks like a pain to update. Easy way? ?And if AO-91 is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73 Mike K4MIA

From wa4sca at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 13:18:21 2017
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 07:18:21 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in GPredict
Message-ID: <000401d36b70$06d974a0$148c5de0$@gmail.com>

Mike,

For reasons which have to do with AO-85 being launched on a NRO mission, there are permanent restrictions on the dissemination of its Keps.  The only place you can download them is the AMSAT list.  It is called nasabare.txt, though your program may call it something different such as "Amateur (amsat.org)."  I don't use GPredict so can't give you details, but the issue exists no matter what program you are using.

73,

Alan
WA4SCA

<-----Original Message-----
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<radiomb
<Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 21:55 PM
<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
<
<
<Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I could not find
<AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current list. Can it be
<under some other name? I found a way to add a bird but looks like a pain to
<update. Easy way?  And if AO-91 is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73
<Mike K4MIA
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Dec  2 13:18:49 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:18:49 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
In-Reply-To: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqZF1MrJkcGn9dpF14dHakR-gVLxBi-QYCgQdofM33eFw@mail.gmail.com>

GPredict, by default, uses Celestrak keps. Since AO-85 was launched as a
secondary payload on a classified mission, only AMSAT is permitted to
receive and re-distribute the keps for the satellite. You will have to use
AMSAT?s keps if you want to track AO-85 in GPredict (of any tracking
program for that matter).

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 08:03 radiomb <radiomb at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I could
> not find AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current
> list. Can it be under some other name? I found a way to add a bird but
> looks like a pain to update. Easy way?  And if AO-91 is in the list why was
> AO-85 left out?TNX 73 Mike K4MIA
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From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 17:58:58 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 09:58:58 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
In-Reply-To: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6ef6d27c-0a4b-c6e6-9d95-4e57d262aced@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

As others have noted, AO-85's keps aren't in the default locations
GPredict gets its information from.  I have the Linux version, but I
expect it's similar under Windows, if that's what you're using.

Go to Edit -> Preferences, and select the TLE Update tab.  Under the
Update from the Internet section there's a list of websites, all from
celestrak.  Click on Add TLE source, and edit the highlighted section with:

    https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt

Be sure the box "add new satellites to local database" is checked, and
hit OK.

Then update the update the database with Edit -> Update TLE data -> from
Network.  You should then be able to find AO-85 in the search list under
Configure (cleverly hidden under the little triangle in the upper right
corner).

GPredict is my primary satellite prediction and tracking app.  Enjoy!

Greg  KO6TH


radiomb wrote:
> Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I could not find AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current list. Can it be under some other name? I found a way to add a bird but looks like a pain to update. Easy way?  And if AO-91 is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73 Mike K4MIA
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From devin at thecabal.org  Sat Dec  2 18:08:27 2017
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:08:27 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in GPredict
In-Reply-To: <000401d36b70$06d974a0$148c5de0$@gmail.com>
References: <000401d36b70$06d974a0$148c5de0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR0101MB312099D39C18610656B3ED46CA3E0@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>

As a side note, I am trying to understand hat purpose is served by restricting the keps to a single public distribution point. I am failing. Is there an actual realistic rationale, or is this yet another example of security theater?



Sent from my Windows 10 phone



________________________________
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> on behalf of Alan <wa4sca at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:18:21 AM
To: 'radiomb'; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in GPredict

Mike,

For reasons which have to do with AO-85 being launched on a NRO mission, there are permanent restrictions on the dissemination of its Keps.  The only place you can download them is the AMSAT list.  It is called nasabare.txt, though your program may call it something different such as "Amateur (amsat.org)."  I don't use GPredict so can't give you details, but the issue exists no matter what program you are using.

73,

Alan
WA4SCA

<-----Original Message-----
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<radiomb
<Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 21:55 PM
<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
<
<
<Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I could not find
<AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current list. Can it be
<under some other name? I found a way to add a bird but looks like a pain to
<update. Easy way?  And if AO-91 is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73
<Mike K4MIA
<_______________________________________________
<Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
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<expressed
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Dec  2 18:29:15 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 13:29:15 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in GPredict
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR0101MB312099D39C18610656B3ED46CA3E0@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <000401d36b70$06d974a0$148c5de0$@gmail.com>
	<MWHPR0101MB312099D39C18610656B3ED46CA3E0@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpXhsjLEZYkB83EHBhX-K-WYFCFCVwNby_qqf1Va7dC1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Security theater. Obviously all the governments that we don't want
knowing exactly what orbit the primary payload(s) on that flight are
in have their own tracking systems.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:
> As a side note, I am trying to understand hat purpose is served by restricting the keps to a single public distribution point. I am failing. Is there an actual realistic rationale, or is this yet another example of security theater?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> on behalf of Alan <wa4sca at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 5:18:21 AM
> To: 'radiomb'; amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in GPredict
>
> Mike,
>
> For reasons which have to do with AO-85 being launched on a NRO mission, there are permanent restrictions on the dissemination of its Keps.  The only place you can download them is the AMSAT list.  It is called nasabare.txt, though your program may call it something different such as "Amateur (amsat.org)."  I don't use GPredict so can't give you details, but the issue exists no matter what program you are using.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
> <-----Original Message-----
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> <radiomb
> <Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 21:55 PM
> <To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> <Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
> <
> <
> <Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I could not find
> <AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current list. Can it be
> <under some other name? I found a way to add a bird but looks like a pain to
> <update. Easy way?  And if AO-91 is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73
> <Mike K4MIA
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From kd4zgw at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 19:17:47 2017
From: kd4zgw at gmail.com (KD4ZGW)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 13:17:47 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
Message-ID: <c45819cd-c352-ef74-3297-b519defbf606@gmail.com>

Can anyone help me get my Yaesu FT-736R to run on SatPC32?? I bought a 
cable that will link the radio to the pc (via USB). But all it does is 
automatically puts the radio in "CAT mode" and doesn't change 
frequencies, when I shut it down, my radio is locked up and have to 
power cycle to get it out of CAT mode. What settings do I need to change 
in SatPC32?

I have been working on this for months to figure it out, I want to get 
back on birds. I am getting a little frustrated with this radio.

Thanks for any advice

73 de Rob KD4ZGW


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 21:11:09 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 16:11:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
In-Reply-To: <c45819cd-c352-ef74-3297-b519defbf606@gmail.com>
References: <c45819cd-c352-ef74-3297-b519defbf606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNuA0HgXkY0WgoQ=tNsPZJfcx5kOQDxLOzwCZNMf8CZjw@mail.gmail.com>

This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I was reading the Mac Doppler
manual today trying to figure out something unrelated, and it
mentioned the FT-736R had a problem related to CAT mode. Here is the
text from the manual, perhaps it is relevant:

"Due to a problem with the FT-736R (see note in FT-736R manual page 36
bottom left) you may have to take MacDoppler out of CAT mode, press
the REV key on the FT-736R front panel, and return to CAT mode when
switching between mode U/V and V/U in Full Duplex, for example:
switching from FO-20 to AO-10 and back. The SAT switch must be in one
of the full duplex positions for this to work. Alternately, you could
take MacDoppler out of CAT mode, use the VFO buttons to switch from
U/V to V/U, and then turn CAT mode back on - this will only work if
you have one VFO set to U/V and the other VFO set to V/U. If you have
other modules installed in the FT- 736R, you can set the
'BetweenPasses' frequencies in the modes editor to something these
other modules can tune and that way allow switching from U to V and V
to U automatically when the satellite changes. It does this to avoid
trying to set VFO A and B to the same band. The FT-847, as originally
delivered (before sn 8G052xxx), could not poll the radio for frequency
and mode information. This was added beginning with the 8G05
production runs."

- https://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacDopplerManual.pdf

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:17 PM, KD4ZGW <kd4zgw at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone help me get my Yaesu FT-736R to run on SatPC32?  I bought a cable
> that will link the radio to the pc (via USB). But all it does is
> automatically puts the radio in "CAT mode" and doesn't change frequencies,
> when I shut it down, my radio is locked up and have to power cycle to get it
> out of CAT mode. What settings do I need to change in SatPC32?
>
> I have been working on this for months to figure it out, I want to get back
> on birds. I am getting a little frustrated with this radio.
>
> Thanks for any advice
>
> 73 de Rob KD4ZGW
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From n4ufo at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  2 20:35:52 2017
From: n4ufo at yahoo.com (Kevin M)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:35:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>

I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.

So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program, etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him, but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)

Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO


------------------------------------------------------------------"Control is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."

From john at papays.com  Sat Dec  2 22:15:36 2017
From: john at papays.com (John Papay)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 17:15:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards/Endorsements for November 2017
Message-ID: <20171202224601.3CDE9862A@lansing182.amsat.org>

Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite
Awards issued by the ARRL for the period November 1, 2017
through December 1, 2017.
Congratulations to all those who made the list this month!

CALL	1Nov17	1Dec17

WC7V	1157	1158
N8HM	 980	1000
K4FEG	 818	 841
KG5CCI	 616	 777
N4UFO	 675	 700
N9IP	 542	 574
W5RKN	 511	 554
NJ4Y	 516	 550
W7QL	 252	 275
KA9P	 175	 212
VE7CEW	 127	 200
KE4AL	 100	 175
N4YHC	 100 	 175
G0ABI 	105	 115
HP2VX		 108 (NEW VUCC)
KB2ESY		 101 (NEW VUCC)

PT9BM, who was at 100 grids on November 1, 2017, was not on
the list dated December 1, 2017.
		

This list was developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf
listings for November 1st and December 1st, 2017.  It's a visual
comparison so omissions are possible.  Apologies if your
call was not mentioned.  Thanks to all those who are
roving to grids that are rarely on the birds.  They are
doing most of the work!

73,
John K8YSE


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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sat Dec  2 23:17:16 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:17:16 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
In-Reply-To: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>

My 2 QSO (1 from home, 1 from Michigan) times also didn?t match when I
checked ClubLog. I have not followed up yet.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 18:11 Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't
> sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter
> the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I
> e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio
> Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I
> have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his
> logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO
> with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are
> correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were
> 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.
>
> So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with
> either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program,
> etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen
> shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him,
> but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be
> good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same
> problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)
>
> Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------"Control
> is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  3 00:51:21 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 00:51:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards/Endorsements for November 2017
In-Reply-To: <20171202224601.3CDE9862A@lansing182.amsat.org>
References: <20171202224601.3CDE9862A@lansing182.amsat.org>
Message-ID: <2110268543.459507.1512262281251@mail.yahoo.com>

John,


Thanks for providing this monthly update! I recognize
quite a few A-1 Ops on that list!!

73,    Bob  K8BL
________________________________
From: John Papay <john at papays.com>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 6:12 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards/Endorsements for November 2017

Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite
Awards issued by the ARRL for the period November 1, 2017
through December 1, 2017.
Congratulations to all those who made the list this month!
CALL    1Nov17    1Dec17

WC7V    1157    1158

N8HM     980    1000

K4FEG     818     841

KG5CCI     616     777

N4UFO     675     700

N9IP     542     574

W5RKN     511     554

NJ4Y     516     550

W7QL     252     275

KA9P     175     212

VE7CEW     127     200

KE4AL     100     175

N4YHC     100      175

G0ABI     105     115

HP2VX         108 (NEW VUCC)

KB2ESY         101 (NEW VUCC)

PT9BM, who was at 100 grids on November 1, 2017, was not on
the list dated December 1, 2017.
This list was developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf
listings for November 1st and December 1st, 2017.  It's a visual
comparison so omissions are possible.  Apologies if your
call was not mentioned.  Thanks to all those who are
roving to grids that are rarely on the birds.  They are
doing most of the work!

73,  John K8YSE



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From kd4zgw at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 02:34:59 2017
From: kd4zgw at gmail.com (Rob Dunham)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:34:59 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKNuA0HgXkY0WgoQ=tNsPZJfcx5kOQDxLOzwCZNMf8CZjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c45819cd-c352-ef74-3297-b519defbf606@gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKNuA0HgXkY0WgoQ=tNsPZJfcx5kOQDxLOzwCZNMf8CZjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADTkDvh7-rsjzq8gDHHv4JSba5qn6rKgMXEiMHU5za_q6PyAcQ@mail.gmail.com>

I want to say a special thanks to Steve NS3L. I called Steve and we
determined I had the wrong cable from the radio to the pc. I bought a
programming cable instead of a CAT interface cable. He is sending me a
cable to use until I can buy a new one. Thanks to all who has given me
advice on this issue.

73 de Rob KD4ZGW

On Dec 2, 2017 3:11 PM, "John Brier" <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I was reading the Mac Doppler
> manual today trying to figure out something unrelated, and it
> mentioned the FT-736R had a problem related to CAT mode. Here is the
> text from the manual, perhaps it is relevant:
>
> "Due to a problem with the FT-736R (see note in FT-736R manual page 36
> bottom left) you may have to take MacDoppler out of CAT mode, press
> the REV key on the FT-736R front panel, and return to CAT mode when
> switching between mode U/V and V/U in Full Duplex, for example:
> switching from FO-20 to AO-10 and back. The SAT switch must be in one
> of the full duplex positions for this to work. Alternately, you could
> take MacDoppler out of CAT mode, use the VFO buttons to switch from
> U/V to V/U, and then turn CAT mode back on - this will only work if
> you have one VFO set to U/V and the other VFO set to V/U. If you have
> other modules installed in the FT- 736R, you can set the
> 'BetweenPasses' frequencies in the modes editor to something these
> other modules can tune and that way allow switching from U to V and V
> to U automatically when the satellite changes. It does this to avoid
> trying to set VFO A and B to the same band. The FT-847, as originally
> delivered (before sn 8G052xxx), could not poll the radio for frequency
> and mode information. This was added beginning with the 8G05
> production runs."
>
> - https://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacDopplerManual.pdf
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:17 PM, KD4ZGW <kd4zgw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone help me get my Yaesu FT-736R to run on SatPC32?  I bought a
> cable
> > that will link the radio to the pc (via USB). But all it does is
> > automatically puts the radio in "CAT mode" and doesn't change
> frequencies,
> > when I shut it down, my radio is locked up and have to power cycle to
> get it
> > out of CAT mode. What settings do I need to change in SatPC32?
> >
> > I have been working on this for months to figure it out, I want to get
> back
> > on birds. I am getting a little frustrated with this radio.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice
> >
> > 73 de Rob KD4ZGW
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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>

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 02:38:09 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 21:38:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
In-Reply-To: <CADTkDvh7-rsjzq8gDHHv4JSba5qn6rKgMXEiMHU5za_q6PyAcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c45819cd-c352-ef74-3297-b519defbf606@gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKNuA0HgXkY0WgoQ=tNsPZJfcx5kOQDxLOzwCZNMf8CZjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADTkDvh7-rsjzq8gDHHv4JSba5qn6rKgMXEiMHU5za_q6PyAcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNp2tvv50F4kt9JR=NQTtiOdEde=qFdB-pjDVHdKf3fgg@mail.gmail.com>

Glad you got it figured out.

Good job Steve!

73, John Brier KG4AKV


On Dec 2, 2017 21:35, "Rob Dunham" <kd4zgw at gmail.com> wrote:

I want to say a special thanks to Steve NS3L. I called Steve and we
determined I had the wrong cable from the radio to the pc. I bought a
programming cable instead of a CAT interface cable. He is sending me a
cable to use until I can buy a new one. Thanks to all who has given me
advice on this issue.

73 de Rob KD4ZGW

On Dec 2, 2017 3:11 PM, "John Brier" <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I was reading the Mac Doppler
> manual today trying to figure out something unrelated, and it
> mentioned the FT-736R had a problem related to CAT mode. Here is the
> text from the manual, perhaps it is relevant:
>
> "Due to a problem with the FT-736R (see note in FT-736R manual page 36
> bottom left) you may have to take MacDoppler out of CAT mode, press
> the REV key on the FT-736R front panel, and return to CAT mode when
> switching between mode U/V and V/U in Full Duplex, for example:
> switching from FO-20 to AO-10 and back. The SAT switch must be in one
> of the full duplex positions for this to work. Alternately, you could
> take MacDoppler out of CAT mode, use the VFO buttons to switch from
> U/V to V/U, and then turn CAT mode back on - this will only work if
> you have one VFO set to U/V and the other VFO set to V/U. If you have
> other modules installed in the FT- 736R, you can set the
> 'BetweenPasses' frequencies in the modes editor to something these
> other modules can tune and that way allow switching from U to V and V
> to U automatically when the satellite changes. It does this to avoid
> trying to set VFO A and B to the same band. The FT-847, as originally
> delivered (before sn 8G052xxx), could not poll the radio for frequency
> and mode information. This was added beginning with the 8G05
> production runs."
>
> - https://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacDopplerManual.pdf
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:17 PM, KD4ZGW <kd4zgw at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone help me get my Yaesu FT-736R to run on SatPC32?  I bought a
> cable
> > that will link the radio to the pc (via USB). But all it does is
> > automatically puts the radio in "CAT mode" and doesn't change
> frequencies,
> > when I shut it down, my radio is locked up and have to power cycle to
> get it
> > out of CAT mode. What settings do I need to change in SatPC32?
> >
> > I have been working on this for months to figure it out, I want to get
> back
> > on birds. I am getting a little frustrated with this radio.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice
> >
> > 73 de Rob KD4ZGW
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From maccody at att.net  Sun Dec  3 02:46:33 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:46:33 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
In-Reply-To: <6ef6d27c-0a4b-c6e6-9d95-4e57d262aced@gmail.com>
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ef6d27c-0a4b-c6e6-9d95-4e57d262aced@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e11c0eb6-ee9c-4341-cbb2-66487d7b6c8e@att.net>

Greg,

I have found that the URL you provided does not appear to work with
Gpredict.? I have found that the following URL does work:

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt

I don't know why http works and https doesn't, but that is my
experience with Gpredict.

73,

Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 12/02/2017 11:58 AM, Greg D wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> As others have noted, AO-85's keps aren't in the default locations
> GPredict gets its information from.  I have the Linux version, but I
> expect it's similar under Windows, if that's what you're using.
>
> Go to Edit -> Preferences, and select the TLE Update tab.  Under the
> Update from the Internet section there's a list of websites, all from
> celestrak.  Click on Add TLE source, and edit the highlighted section with:
>
>      https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>
> Be sure the box "add new satellites to local database" is checked, and
> hit OK.
>
> Then update the update the database with Edit -> Update TLE data -> from
> Network.  You should then be able to find AO-85 in the search list under
> Configure (cleverly hidden under the little triangle in the upper right
> corner).
>
> GPredict is my primary satellite prediction and tracking app.  Enjoy!
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> radiomb wrote:
>> Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I could not find AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in the current list. Can it be under some other name? I found a way to add a bird but looks like a pain to update. Easy way?  And if AO-91 is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73 Mike K4MIA
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From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 03:10:52 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:10:52 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
In-Reply-To: <e11c0eb6-ee9c-4341-cbb2-66487d7b6c8e@att.net>
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ef6d27c-0a4b-c6e6-9d95-4e57d262aced@gmail.com>
	<e11c0eb6-ee9c-4341-cbb2-66487d7b6c8e@att.net>
Message-ID: <012d1faf-7364-a172-4c24-e213fc02febe@gmail.com>

Hi Mac,

Hmmpf.  No idea.

Helping another Ham, we found that his version of GPredict needed to
have the server URL on one line (without the nasabare.txt part), and the
file name (nasabare.txt) on a different line.  He has v1.4 on Windows,
I'm on v1.3.something on Linux.

The data isn't all that sensitive, so I wouldn't be too concerned about
the lack of SSL security, but it's still odd...  For what it's worth,
all the pre-configured URLs for Celestrak are http-no-s also.  I think I
just did a copy/paste from the Amsat site when configuring mine.

Enjoy!

Greg  KO6TH


Mac A. Cody wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I have found that the URL you provided does not appear to work with
> Gpredict.  I have found that the following URL does work:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>
> I don't know why http works and https doesn't, but that is my
> experience with Gpredict.
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody / AE5PH
> On 12/02/2017 11:58 AM, Greg D wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> As others have noted, AO-85's keps aren't in the default locations
>> GPredict gets its information from.  I have the Linux version, but I
>> expect it's similar under Windows, if that's what you're using.
>>
>> Go to Edit -> Preferences, and select the TLE Update tab.  Under the
>> Update from the Internet section there's a list of websites, all from
>> celestrak.  Click on Add TLE source, and edit the highlighted section
>> with:
>>
>>      https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>>
>> Be sure the box "add new satellites to local database" is checked, and
>> hit OK.
>>
>> Then update the update the database with Edit -> Update TLE data -> from
>> Network.  You should then be able to find AO-85 in the search list under
>> Configure (cleverly hidden under the little triangle in the upper right
>> corner).
>>
>> GPredict is my primary satellite prediction and tracking app.  Enjoy!
>>
>> Greg  KO6TH
>>
>>
>> radiomb wrote:
>>> Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I
>>> could not find AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in
>>> the current list. Can it be under some other name? I found a way to
>>> add a bird but looks like a pain to update. Easy way?  And if AO-91
>>> is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73 Mike K4MIA
>>> _______________________________________________
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From aa5pk at suddenlink.net  Sun Dec  3 03:12:48 2017
From: aa5pk at suddenlink.net (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 21:12:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
In-Reply-To: <CADTkDvh7-rsjzq8gDHHv4JSba5qn6rKgMXEiMHU5za_q6PyAcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c45819cd-c352-ef74-3297-b519defbf606@gmail.com><CALn0fKNuA0HgXkY0WgoQ=tNsPZJfcx5kOQDxLOzwCZNMf8CZjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADTkDvh7-rsjzq8gDHHv4JSba5qn6rKgMXEiMHU5za_q6PyAcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0DF7703E26F4134AB888FBE30EECB50@AA5PKPC>

Glad you found the problem, Rob

Look forward to hearing you on the satellites again.

Thanks for the many grids you activated during your last active period.

73
Glenn AA5PK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rob Dunham 
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 8:34 PM 
To: John Brier 
Cc: Amsat BB 
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r 

I want to say a special thanks to Steve NS3L. I called Steve and we
determined I had the wrong cable from the radio to the pc. I bought a
programming cable instead of a CAT interface cable. He is sending me a
cable to use until I can buy a new one. Thanks to all who has given me
advice on this issue.

73 de Rob KD4ZGW


From AJ9N at aol.com  Sun Dec  3 03:25:51 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 22:25:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-03 03:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <695353.34794b69.4754c8bf@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-03  03:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

School of Telecommunications and Aerospace Engineering  (EETAC), 
Castelldefels, Spain, direct via EG3UPC
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be OR4ISS 
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei  KG5GNP
Contact is a go for: Mon 2017-12-04 15:10:12 UTC 43 deg
Watch for  live stream at  
http://tv.upc.edu/continguts/els-astronautes-de-estacio-espacial-internacional  (***)


****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 124  
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-03 03:30 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1195.  
Each school counts  as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1144.  
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-01 06:00  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From kt4tz at cfl.rr.com  Sun Dec  3 03:43:42 2017
From: kt4tz at cfl.rr.com (Lee McLamb)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 22:43:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-337 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletin
Message-ID: <ff92cb9e-ef06-116d-3971-cac408e9b916@cfl.rr.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-337

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* ISS Global Testing SSTV December 5-6 Prior to MAI-75 Over Moscow
* Soyuz Launch Anomaly Results in Loss of D-Star ONE Cubesat
* AMSAT-SM Supports ARISS With New Donationn
* IARU Frequency Coordination for China's Juvenile 3U Cubesats
* Satellite Shorts From All Over

SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-337.01
ANS-337 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 337.01
 ?From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE December 3, 2017
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-337.01

ISS Global Testing SSTV December 5-6 Prior to MAI-75 Over Moscow

http://ariss-sstv.blogspot.com/ published an update to the
December MAI-75 SSTV testing schedule:

**UPDATE - Nov 28**
Seems the system will be put through some extended testing from
December 5 starting around 15:00 UTC and running until 09:00 UTC
on December 6. Test images will be used during this period. This
will provide near global coverage if all works well.

The MAI-75 schedule over Moscow remains unchanged at this point.
The times correlate to a small number of passes each day in range
of Moscow.

Dec 6, 2017
Setup and power on ?? 13:40-14:20 UTC
Power off ? 17:05-17:15 UTC

Dec 7, 2017
Power on ?? 13:45-13:55 UTC
Power off ? 17:30-17:40 UTC

Dec 8, 2017
Power on ?? 14:05-14:15 UTC

Power off and stow ? 17:00-17:10 UTC

[ANS thanks ARISS for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


Soyuz Launch Anomaly Results in Loss of D-Star ONE Cubesat

A new Russian weather observatory and the first prototype for Telesat?s 
planned
network of 100-plus broadband communications satellites in low Earth 
orbit were
among 19 spacecraft lost after a Fregat rocket stage ran into trouble 
soon after
liftoff aboard a Soyuz booster Tuesday.

The Fregat rocket pack was supposed to place the 19 satellites into four
different orbits Tuesday in a four-hour flight sequence following launch 
on a
Soyuz rocket from the Vostochny Cosmodrome, a new spaceport in the Amur 
region
of Russia?s Far East.

A report published by Russia?s Interfax news agency Tuesday quoted a Russian
space industry source who attributed the apparent failure to human 
error. The
source said a mistake uploaded to the Fregat?s flight computer caused 
the upper
stage to be in the wrong orientation for the main engine?s first burn, 
which was
scheduled to last 77 seconds to reach a temporary parking orbit a few 
hundred
miles above Earth.

Billed as the first German commercial CubeSat, the D-Star One spacecraft had
four communications modules on-board, two of which were to be used by the
amateur radio community. Developed by German Orbital Systems in Berlin in
cooperation with the Czech company iSky Technology, officials hope to build
follow-on satellites to construct a low Earth orbit communications network.

[ANS thanks SpaceFlightNow for the above information

---------------------------------------------------------------------


AMSAT-SM Supports ARISS With New Donation

AMSAT-SM is proud to announce a donation to ARISS (via AMSAT-NA) of
$285. We hope that this small donation will help ARISS further work
with amateur radio from ISS.

AMSAT-SM is the Swedish section of AMSAT with approximately 220 members. 
One of
their objectives is to inform Swedish hams about the fun with amateur
satellites! Not many SM hams are active via satellite at the moment. 
With the
help from our Swedish webpage and HF-net we hope that more Swedish hams 
should
be using amateur satellites. The AMSAT-SM annual meeting is held every 
spring.
Some weeks on Sundays we have a HF-net on 80 meters with lots of news about
satellites and space.

[ANS thanks AMSAT-SM for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


IARU Frequency Coordination for China's Juvenile 3U Cubesats

The IARU Amateur Satellite Frequency Coordination Status pages,
hosted by AMSAT-UK as a service to the world wide Amateur Satel-
lite Community, report on an updated coordination for the Juvenile
project from China.

Juvenile is a 3U CubeSat project led by China Soong Ching Ling
Youth Science and Culture Center for school education and amateur
radio.

The amateur radio station onboard will provide telecommand, tele-
metry and FM repeater functions:

1. A VHF uplink and UHF downlink data control board with loop
 ?? back function, which can act as an FM repeater.

2. A VHF uplink and UHF downlink 9k6 BPSK data control back up
 ?? board, with a trigger to take a photo from a camera, and
 ?? transmit SSTV image through NBFM modulation.

3. A 2.4 GHz band with 2 MHZ bandwidth multiple frequency up
 ?? and down link communication experiment.

Planning a launch from Jiuquan Space Center into a 500km Sun
Synchronous Orbit.

The IARU reports a November 30 revised coordination has been
provided.

Frequency coordination for Juvenile 1B, 1D and 1F
Uplink???? 435.290 MHz FM
Downlink?? 145.840 MHz FM
Telemetry? 145.930 MHz 9K6 BPSK

Frequency coordination for Juvenile 1A, 1C, 1E and 1G
Uplink???? 145.965 MHz FM
Downlink?? 436.250 MHz FM
Telemetry? 437.475 MHz 9K6 BPSK

Source: http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/
(frequencies which have been coordinated)

[ANS thanks the IARU for the above information]


---------------------------------------------------------------------


Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ GALAPAGOS ISLANDS, HC8.? A group of operators are QRV as HC8LUT from
 ? San Cristobal Island, IOTA SA-004, until December 8.? Activity is on
 ? 160 to 10 meters using all modes and satellites.? QSL via IK2DUW.
 ? (via ARLD048 DX News)

+ Year-Long NASA On The Air Event Kicks off on December 11
 ? The Amateur Radio clubs at National Aeronautics and Space Administration
 ? (NASA) centers around the US have invited the Amateur Radio community 
to join
 ? the NASA On The Air (NOTA) special event. NOTA gets under way in 
December 2017
 ? and continues through December 2018.
 ? https://nasaontheair.wordpress.com/

+ Astronaut Joe Acaba made an historic contact with the Maria Montessori
 ? Institute Educational Unit in San Cristobal, Venezuela: the first-ever
 ? educational ham radio contact in that country?s history. Video posted at:
 ? https://twitter.com/ISS_Research/status/935901182811238400
 ? (via ARISS)

+ Hackaday article shows how AMSAT teamed up with students from Rochester
 ? Institute of Technology to create a Maximum Power Point Tracker, attached
 ? to a Fox-1B CubeSat.
https://hackaday.com/2017/11/27/amsat-mppt-goes-to-infinity-and-beyond/

/EX

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President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
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Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Lee McLamb, KT4TZ
kt4tz at amsat dot org


From ke4al at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 02:38:38 2017
From: ke4al at yahoo.com (Robert Bankston)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:38:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835689006.483054.1512268718076@mail.yahoo.com>

 My 2 QSOs do not match either.? Galapagos, We have a problem!
73,
Robert, KE4AL

    On ?Saturday?, ?December? ?2?, ?2017? ?05?:?18?:?37? ?PM? ?CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:  
 
 My 2 QSO (1 from home, 1 from Michigan) times also didn?t match when I
checked ClubLog. I have not followed up yet.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 18:11 Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't
> sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter
> the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I
> e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio
> Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I
> have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his
> logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO
> with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are
> correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were
> 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.
>
> So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with
> either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program,
> etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen
> shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him,
> but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be
> good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same
> problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)
>
> Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------"Control
> is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."
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From radiomb at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec  3 04:26:35 2017
From: radiomb at bellsouth.net (radiomb)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:26:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Great Group
References: <1539191765.535141.1512275195433.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1539191765.535141.1512275195433@mail.yahoo.com>

 ? Thanks for all the information on Gpredict. This is a great group. This is my 50th year as a ham, started at age 15. Have done almost everything in ham radio except EME (maybe some day). Made a few contacts on AO-51 a few years back. But now want to set up a permanent station and do a lot more. Hope to have an auto tracking system by this time next year. It is a challenging, rewarding, and educational part of the hobby.??Greg, I am using windows and will update with your information. I am sure I will have many more questions. Hope to see some of you at Orlando next year. TNX again.73 Mike K4MIA

From n4ufo at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 04:39:39 2017
From: n4ufo at yahoo.com (Kevin M)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:39:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
In-Reply-To: <835689006.483054.1512268718076@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<835689006.483054.1512268718076@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <579484985.563477.1512275979035@mail.yahoo.com>

5K0T was on San Andreas... My QSO with HC8LUT on Galapagos has the correct time, but it is clear they have the bands wrong. Should be listed as a 70cm contact in Clublog if it's logged correctly.

      From: Robert Bankston <ke4al at yahoo.com>
 To: Kevin M <n4ufo at yahoo.com>; Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> 
Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
   
 My 2 QSOs do not match either.? Galapagos, We have a problem!
73,
Robert, KE4AL

    On ?Saturday?, ?December? ?2?, ?2017? ?05?:?18?:?37? ?PM? ?CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:  
 
 My 2 QSO (1 from home, 1 from Michigan) times also didn?t match when I
checked ClubLog. I have not followed up yet.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 18:11 Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't
> sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter
> the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I
> e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio
> Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I
> have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his
> logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO
> with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are
> correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were
> 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.
>
> So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with
> either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program,
> etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen
> shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him,
> but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be
> good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same
> problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)
>
> Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------"Control
> is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Sun Dec  3 17:00:37 2017
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 11:00:37 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in GPredict
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR0101MB312099D39C18610656B3ED46CA3E0@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <000401d36b70$06d974a0$148c5de0$@gmail.com>
	<MWHPR0101MB312099D39C18610656B3ED46CA3E0@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <a4320c87-2e79-0ac0-ef30-cf77da969511@amsat.org>

On 12/2/2017 12:08, Devin L. Ganger wrote:
> As a side note, I am trying to understand hat purpose is served by restricting the keps to a single public distribution point. I am failing. Is there an actual realistic rationale, or is this yet another example of security theater?

Do not feel so bad, JSpOC won't even add it to my Operator account for
AMSAT, on Space-Track.? We won't get conjunction messages and I don't
believe it has or will have a name, just the catalog number which isn't
even public.????

I'm good with that, "rules is rules."? I don't ask any questions, lest
they decide that even what we have is too much!???????

Jerry Buxton, N?JY


From grsakai5120 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 18:32:55 2017
From: grsakai5120 at yahoo.com (George Sakai)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:32:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
In-Reply-To: <579484985.563477.1512275979035@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<835689006.483054.1512268718076@mail.yahoo.com>
	<579484985.563477.1512275979035@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <700161910.732292.1512325975344@mail.yahoo.com>

 ClubLog says my AO-7 QSO with HC8LUT was on 2 meter band also.? It should be 70 cm.? If I get a QSL card from HC8LUT with this wrong band, would ARRL approve it for VUCC award ?
73, George N3GS

    On ?Sunday?, ?December? ?3?, ?2017? ?05?:?59?:?45? ?AM? ?CST, Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 5K0T was on San Andreas... My QSO with HC8LUT on Galapagos has the correct time, but it is clear they have the bands wrong. Should be listed as a 70cm contact in Clublog if it's logged correctly.

? ? ? From: Robert Bankston <ke4al at yahoo.com>
 To: Kevin M <n4ufo at yahoo.com>; Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> 
Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
? 
 My 2 QSOs do not match either.? Galapagos, We have a problem!
73,
Robert, KE4AL

? ? On ?Saturday?, ?December? ?2?, ?2017? ?05?:?18?:?37? ?PM? ?CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:? 
 
 My 2 QSO (1 from home, 1 from Michigan) times also didn?t match when I
checked ClubLog. I have not followed up yet.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 18:11 Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't
> sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter
> the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I
> e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio
> Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I
> have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his
> logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO
> with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are
> correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were
> 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.
>
> So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with
> either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program,
> etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen
> shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him,
> but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be
> good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same
> problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)
>
> Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------"Control
> is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."
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From richardferryman at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  3 19:54:00 2017
From: richardferryman at btinternet.com (Richard Ferryman)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 19:54:00 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Two FT-817s for cross band SSB duplex
Message-ID: <000001c98f95$65a2d8c0$30e88a40$@com>

As there are no recent full duplex rigs available to run full duplex cross
band  SSB I am considering using my two FT-817s with SatPC32 for this mode.
Are there any problems that I need to watch out for?  Any tips welcome.

Dick G4BBH

 



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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Dec  3 20:09:58 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 15:09:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Two FT-817s for cross band SSB duplex
In-Reply-To: <000001c98f95$65a2d8c0$30e88a40$@com>
References: <000001c98f95$65a2d8c0$30e88a40$@com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpDSXyN6NxWhDW8PHP42b9_2pT=R_87EWs2De=qZA4aJw@mail.gmail.com>

The Icom IC-9100 and Kenwood TS-2000 are both current production radios
that do full-duplex for satellite operation.

Two FT-817s will work fine with SatPC32, but be aware that the Yaesu CAT
protocol doesn't allow frequency updates while you're transmitting, so be
sure to unkey every sentence or so if you're in a ragchew to allow the
frequency to update.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Richard Ferryman <
richardferryman at btinternet.com> wrote:

> As there are no recent full duplex rigs available to run full duplex cross
> band  SSB I am considering using my two FT-817s with SatPC32 for this mode.
> Are there any problems that I need to watch out for?  Any tips welcome.
>
> Dick G4BBH
>
>
>
>
>
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From k7trkradio at charter.net  Sun Dec  3 21:41:53 2017
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 13:41:53 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-91 12-3-17
Message-ID: <000601d36c7f$89122330$9b366990$@charter.net>

21:30 pass comment:

 

What a shame folks won't wait for a station to finish a qso before
jamming..with your call

 

And whoever was responsible for the rude profanity (either a rebroadcast or
live) stay away

 

As Damon used to say, "what a goat rope."

 

73, Ted

K7TRK

 

p.s. for the station perpetually calling 'CQ'..you don't need to do
that.ever


From brad.wf7t at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 23:03:07 2017
From: brad.wf7t at gmail.com (Brad Brooks)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:03:07 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Two FT-817s for cross band SSB duplex
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpDSXyN6NxWhDW8PHP42b9_2pT=R_87EWs2De=qZA4aJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c98f95$65a2d8c0$30e88a40$@com>
	<CABzOSOpDSXyN6NxWhDW8PHP42b9_2pT=R_87EWs2De=qZA4aJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAONzx52P84ygi8RhkaKxBHeN4idciLBQ1TzEJSu=En0axnVvsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dick, I just got my FT-817 pair (FT-1634) setup with SatPC32. I struggled
with the getting the rigs to sync and tune until I chanced upon how to set
the baud rate in the SatPC32. It is working flawlessly now, I just need to
make time to sit on some passes and fine-tune the doppler adjustments. I
figure this will be my next hurdle, but right now everything tracks when I
tune either on Downlink radio or via SatPC32. Let me know if you have any
difficulties in CAT configuration...73 Brad WF7T

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

> The Icom IC-9100 and Kenwood TS-2000 are both current production radios
> that do full-duplex for satellite operation.
>
> Two FT-817s will work fine with SatPC32, but be aware that the Yaesu CAT
> protocol doesn't allow frequency updates while you're transmitting, so be
> sure to unkey every sentence or so if you're in a ragchew to allow the
> frequency to update.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Richard Ferryman <
> richardferryman at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > As there are no recent full duplex rigs available to run full duplex
> cross
> > band  SSB I am considering using my two FT-817s with SatPC32 for this
> mode.
> > Are there any problems that I need to watch out for?  Any tips welcome.
> >
> > Dick G4BBH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 03:03:05 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 22:03:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] ISS SSTV! December 2017 Pass Simulations - 9 USA
	passes
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNpRbWRgpeEF0NgtPvkzpcsD+Fd0+8kdMmAcafwP8+=jA@mail.gmail.com>

https://youtu.be/6fVJn2CR6Vc

The ISS will be sending Slow Scan TV images on December 5th, 6th, 7th,
and 8th (not 24/7! Watch video for details or see schedule below). I
made a quick video screen capture of Orbitron satellite tracker so you
can see if you'll be in range of the ISS when it's sending the images.
There will be nine passes over the United States.

See video description for relevant links.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 03:29:10 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:29:10 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] ISS SSTV! December 2017 Pass Simulations - 9
 USA passes
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKNpRbWRgpeEF0NgtPvkzpcsD+Fd0+8kdMmAcafwP8+=jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALn0fKNpRbWRgpeEF0NgtPvkzpcsD+Fd0+8kdMmAcafwP8+=jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59f3a021-c3e6-5e85-6b11-a6d4f0e04edc@gmail.com>

Thanks for the very effective video, John.  I'll be watching for them!

Greg  KO6TH


John Brier wrote:
> https://youtu.be/6fVJn2CR6Vc
>
> The ISS will be sending Slow Scan TV images on December 5th, 6th, 7th,
> and 8th (not 24/7! Watch video for details or see schedule below). I
> made a quick video screen capture of Orbitron satellite tracker so you
> can see if you'll be in range of the ISS when it's sending the images.
> There will be nine passes over the United States.
>
> See video description for relevant links.
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
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From k6fw1 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  4 03:54:43 2017
From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank Westphal)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:54:43 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
In-Reply-To: <700161910.732292.1512325975344@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<835689006.483054.1512268718076@mail.yahoo.com>
	<579484985.563477.1512275979035@mail.yahoo.com>
	<700161910.732292.1512325975344@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <473bbc6e-0a51-3b65-2bb1-165f3b4ef1f4@verizon.net>

I don't see why not.? I have LOTW matches for AO-7 QSO's where the band 
is specified as 2M.? Matter of fact my logging program uploads the 
downlink frequency only for sat QSO's and I have hundreds if not 
thousands of matches.? When I have cards checked by a field checker they 
are only looking for a satellite not frequencies.

73,
Frank
K6FW

On 12/3/17 10:32 AM, George Sakai via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>   ClubLog says my AO-7 QSO with HC8LUT was on 2 meter band also.? It should be 70 cm.? If I get a QSL card from HC8LUT with this wrong band, would ARRL approve it for VUCC award ?
> 73, George N3GS
>
>      On ?Sunday?, ?December? ?3?, ?2017? ?05?:?59?:?45? ?AM? ?CST, Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>   
>   5K0T was on San Andreas... My QSO with HC8LUT on Galapagos has the correct time, but it is clear they have the bands wrong. Should be listed as a 70cm contact in Clublog if it's logged correctly.
>
>  ? ? ? From: Robert Bankston <ke4al at yahoo.com>
>   To: Kevin M <n4ufo at yahoo.com>; Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
> Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>   Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
>    
>   My 2 QSOs do not match either.? Galapagos, We have a problem!
> 73,
> Robert, KE4AL
>
>  ? ? On ?Saturday?, ?December? ?2?, ?2017? ?05?:?18?:?37? ?PM? ?CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>   
>   My 2 QSO (1 from home, 1 from Michigan) times also didn?t match when I
> checked ClubLog. I have not followed up yet.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 18:11 Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't
>> sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter
>> the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I
>> e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio
>> Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I
>> have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his
>> logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO
>> with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are
>> correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were
>> 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.
>>
>> So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with
>> either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program,
>> etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen
>> shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him,
>> but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be
>> good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same
>> problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------"Control
>> is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Mon Dec  4 04:11:10 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:11:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
In-Reply-To: <473bbc6e-0a51-3b65-2bb1-165f3b4ef1f4@verizon.net>
References: <2047498206.447320.1512246952817.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2047498206.447320.1512246952817@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABzOSOoT6Dtuo4piCAQxcWnAFC4G_DXspLQ6Lcwt1k=w0Sxzcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<835689006.483054.1512268718076@mail.yahoo.com>
	<579484985.563477.1512275979035@mail.yahoo.com>
	<700161910.732292.1512325975344@mail.yahoo.com>
	<473bbc6e-0a51-3b65-2bb1-165f3b4ef1f4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6DC7887A-BAB2-4C53-8A78-E332F12D7B02@mrstevens.net>

I?ve got a couple of 20m SO-50 QSOs confirmed in LOTW... :-)

So I doubt the band is the issue with the 5K0T qsos.

73,
- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2017, at 22:54, Frank Westphal <k6fw1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't see why not.  I have LOTW matches for AO-7 QSO's where the band is specified as 2M.  Matter of fact my logging program uploads the downlink frequency only for sat QSO's and I have hundreds if not thousands of matches.  When I have cards checked by a field checker they are only looking for a satellite not frequencies.
> 
> 73,
> Frank
> K6FW
> 
>> On 12/3/17 10:32 AM, George Sakai via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>  ClubLog says my AO-7 QSO with HC8LUT was on 2 meter band also.  It should be 70 cm.  If I get a QSL card from HC8LUT with this wrong band, would ARRL approve it for VUCC award ?
>> 73, George N3GS
>> 
>>     On ?Sunday?, ?December? ?3?, ?2017? ?05?:?59?:?45? ?AM? ?CST, Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>    5K0T was on San Andreas... My QSO with HC8LUT on Galapagos has the correct time, but it is clear they have the bands wrong. Should be listed as a 70cm contact in Clublog if it's logged correctly.
>> 
>>       From: Robert Bankston <ke4al at yahoo.com>
>>  To: Kevin M <n4ufo at yahoo.com>; Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>  Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:38 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 5K0T logged sat times
>>     My 2 QSOs do not match either.  Galapagos, We have a problem!
>> 73,
>> Robert, KE4AL
>> 
>>     On ?Saturday?, ?December? ?2?, ?2017? ?05?:?18?:?37? ?PM? ?CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>>    My 2 QSO (1 from home, 1 from Michigan) times also didn?t match when I
>> checked ClubLog. I have not followed up yet.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Paul, N8HM
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 18:11 Kevin M via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have checked the 5K0T clublog and see that I have 2 QSOs there (wasn't
>>> sure he got my call on the first pass, was at LOS), but when I go to enter
>>> the times to make a QSL request, it says the times are not correct. So I
>>> e-mailed the QSL manager and he sent me back the log entries from Ham Radio
>>> Deluxe. He shows the times exactly two hours ahead of what I have. So I
>>> have checked my tracking programs and I show no passes at the times his
>>> logs show, rather my times show as correct. Has anyone else that made a QSO
>>> with 5K0T tried to enter their times in Clublog to see if they are
>>> correct?? If you were successful, which pass was it? My passes were
>>> 2017-11-22 2029 and 2055z.
>>> 
>>> So I e-mailed him back to tell him I think maybe there is a problem with
>>> either the computer that the log was recorded on or with the HRD program,
>>> etc., and his reply was simply, 'I use UTC times'. I made up some screen
>>> shots of my Orbitron for both his times and my times and sent them to him,
>>> but whether he will get the attachments is yet to be seen. It would just be
>>> good to know (for confidence level) if anyone else encounters the same
>>> problem. (Or am I just royally messed up and not seeing it.)
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance, feel free to reply on or off list. 73, Kevin N4UFO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------"Control
>>> is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the courageous heart."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>>> expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>> AMSAT-NA.
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>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>>   
>>   _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 13:16:26 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 08:16:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] ISS SSTV! December 2017 Pass Simulations - 9
 USA passes
In-Reply-To: <59f3a021-c3e6-5e85-6b11-a6d4f0e04edc@gmail.com>
References: <CALn0fKNpRbWRgpeEF0NgtPvkzpcsD+Fd0+8kdMmAcafwP8+=jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<59f3a021-c3e6-5e85-6b11-a6d4f0e04edc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKO5KB8TF-cb-82TkovycsY+7YH6qMo_XP6D+Z=L+wnPpQ@mail.gmail.com>

You're welcome. Glad it helped. Good luck!

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the very effective video, John.  I'll be watching for them!
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> John Brier wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/6fVJn2CR6Vc
>>
>> The ISS will be sending Slow Scan TV images on December 5th, 6th, 7th,
>> and 8th (not 24/7! Watch video for details or see schedule below). I
>> made a quick video screen capture of Orbitron satellite tracker so you
>> can see if you'll be in range of the ISS when it's sending the images.
>> There will be nine passes over the United States.
>>
>> See video description for relevant links.
>>
>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From py41 at att.net  Mon Dec  4 11:34:28 2017
From: py41 at att.net (Perry Yantis)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] satellite status not working???
References: <1718015972.1066657.1512387268836.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1718015972.1066657.1512387268836@mail.yahoo.com>

I have tried to put information in the satellite status page like I have done before, but now for some reason I keep getting the "missing?information" page?Anyone else having this problem???Perry WB8OTH

py41 at att.net
sent from my Apple Macbook Pro

From royldean at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 14:54:21 2017
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:54:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] satellite status not working???
Message-ID: <CADGPg2uAJ666ZoH3t7xkYR6FRWO1fAwCXq-Pkt55+5VcjzU97g@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried AO-99, no problems.   This is the AMSAT status page? (
https://www.amsat.org/status/index.php)


> I have tried to put information in the satellite status page like I have
> done before, but now for some reason I keep getting the
> "missing information" page?Anyone else having this problem?? Perry WB8OTH py41
> at att.net
> <http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>sent from my Apple
> Macbook Pro

From n6rfm1 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  4 18:54:28 2017
From: n6rfm1 at gmail.com (N6RFM1 gmail)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:54:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Question - Icom IC910-H full duplex operation using
	theData jack inputs
In-Reply-To: <002401d36aaa$955497d0$bffdc770$@gmail.com>
References: <007401d369eb$8b4089d0$a1c19d70$@gmail.com>
	<41B9B229E5E247E5AAF7C6AD4AD167DB@RadioRoomPC>
	<002401d36aaa$955497d0$bffdc770$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008a01d36d31$516b7be0$f44273a0$@gmail.com>

Thanks to suggestions from N8MH and WA8SME, Data jack cabling now working.
Hope to be on Falconsat-3 soon although optimal passes here are 25-29
degrees elevation.

For those interested, the IC-910H only uses the Data jacks for I/O when PTT
is asserted at the jack itself.  Input level  needs to be ~ 0.4 V p-p or
less.  Otherwise, internal limiter shuts down modulation.

Best to all,

Bob 
N6RFM
Fn41iq








From n4ufo at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  5 01:34:38 2017
From: n4ufo at yahoo.com (Kevin M)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 01:34:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] 5K0T sat logs fixed
In-Reply-To: <CA++evgBhEXMKty_QV--U5d9Njk9kkBt8xn0UrH-q=gY=hbbP9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1538642611.459218.1512245798742.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1538642611.459218.1512245798742@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA++evgCTKNus+Y9snbrqtScJWFv-sJvkNH9--8kvVQQjJ9tafA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1752193728.1126850.1512386132674@mail.yahoo.com>
	<dc02df27-cf2c-4316-708d-600d7a631344@gmail.com>
	<110004404.1224235.1512396960259@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA++evgAXpjJLmq46xNGOcPG8E+ey_r7YxPVDoAgC+coPCEfE1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<57218154.1721270.1512436261410@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA++evgBhEXMKty_QV--U5d9Njk9kkBt8xn0UrH-q=gY=hbbP9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <887689251.1758318.1512437678724@mail.yahoo.com>

Just heard from the 5K0T QSL manager regarding the sat logs...
"Was a wrong set time in the pc. I corrected all Sats log.
 I?ll upload the log to LoTW next year, after it be clear.
 Also upload fast the OQRS and Direct asked QSL."

Should be good to go... of course, your mileage may vary. =^) If you have any more problems, suggest you check with their QSL manager. 73, N4UFO





   

From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Dec  5 08:12:46 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 03:12:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-05 07:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <579eb6.3bd02186.4757aefe@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-05  07:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

School of Telecommunications and Aerospace Engineering  (EETAC), 
Castelldefels, Spain, direct via EG3UPC
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be OR4ISS 
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei  KG5GNP
Contact was successful: Mon 2017-12-04 15:10:12 UTC 43 deg  (***)
Watch for live stream at  
http://tv.upc.edu/continguts/els-astronautes-de-estacio-espacial-internacional

Antietam  Elementary School, Woodbridge, VA, direct via KM4TAY
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei  KG5GNP (***)
Contact is a go for: Mon 2017-12-11 18:30:10 UTC 36 deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 124  
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-05 07:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1196. (***)  
Each school  counts as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is  1145. (***) 
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-05 07:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From rwmcgwier at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 17:42:38 2017
From: rwmcgwier at gmail.com (Robert McGwier)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:42:38 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
In-Reply-To: <012d1faf-7364-a172-4c24-e213fc02febe@gmail.com>
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ef6d27c-0a4b-c6e6-9d95-4e57d262aced@gmail.com>
	<e11c0eb6-ee9c-4341-cbb2-66487d7b6c8e@att.net>
	<012d1faf-7364-a172-4c24-e213fc02febe@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+K5gzf+krn=eefs0RTPcp4g5+kVZFnkA6J4d_mJq9xZnQfLjw@mail.gmail.com>

The only difference is https doesn't work.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mac,
>
> Hmmpf.  No idea.
>
> Helping another Ham, we found that his version of GPredict needed to
> have the server URL on one line (without the nasabare.txt part), and the
> file name (nasabare.txt) on a different line.  He has v1.4 on Windows,
> I'm on v1.3.something on Linux.
>
> The data isn't all that sensitive, so I wouldn't be too concerned about
> the lack of SSL security, but it's still odd...  For what it's worth,
> all the pre-configured URLs for Celestrak are http-no-s also.  I think I
> just did a copy/paste from the Amsat site when configuring mine.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> Mac A. Cody wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > I have found that the URL you provided does not appear to work with
> > Gpredict.  I have found that the following URL does work:
> >
> > http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
> >
> > I don't know why http works and https doesn't, but that is my
> > experience with Gpredict.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mac Cody / AE5PH
> > On 12/02/2017 11:58 AM, Greg D wrote:
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> As others have noted, AO-85's keps aren't in the default locations
> >> GPredict gets its information from.  I have the Linux version, but I
> >> expect it's similar under Windows, if that's what you're using.
> >>
> >> Go to Edit -> Preferences, and select the TLE Update tab.  Under the
> >> Update from the Internet section there's a list of websites, all from
> >> celestrak.  Click on Add TLE source, and edit the highlighted section
> >> with:
> >>
> >>      https://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
> >>
> >> Be sure the box "add new satellites to local database" is checked, and
> >> hit OK.
> >>
> >> Then update the update the database with Edit -> Update TLE data -> from
> >> Network.  You should then be able to find AO-85 in the search list under
> >> Configure (cleverly hidden under the little triangle in the upper right
> >> corner).
> >>
> >> GPredict is my primary satellite prediction and tracking app.  Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Greg  KO6TH
> >>
> >>
> >> radiomb wrote:
> >>> Hello,   Seeing the posts I downloaded Gpredict  to give it a try. I
> >>> could not find AO-85 (FOX-1A) in satellites listed. Even AO-91 is in
> >>> the current list. Can it be under some other name? I found a way to
> >>> add a bird but looks like a pain to update. Easy way?  And if AO-91
> >>> is in the list why was AO-85 left out?TNX 73 Mike K4MIA
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >>> Opinions expressed
> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> >>> views of AMSAT-NA.
> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >>> program!
> >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> >> of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> > of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>



-- 
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Research Professor Virginia Tech
Chief Scientist:  The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and
Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
Faculty Advisor Virginia Tech Amateur Radio Assn. (K4KDJ)
Director of AMSAT
Member of PVRC (Roanoke-Blacksburg), TAPR,  life member of ARRL and AMSAT,
NRVR.ORG (Rocketry)

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 18:32:35 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 13:32:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV delayed a day due to Cygnus release...
Message-ID: <CALn0fKO6PVAouCx+9=Zaf44tSbKufJE2QuoksRt1H9mDVC2yEg@mail.gmail.com>

https://ariss-sstv.blogspot.com/2017/11/mai-75-in-december.html

**UPDATE Dec 5**
Looks like they had to do some rescheduling related to changes in the
Cygnus release. Below is the new schedule:

Dec 6, 2017
Test Setup and activation ?  15:25-16:25UTC

Dec 7, 2017
Test Power off ? 18:10-18:20 UTC
Power on ?  13:40-13:50 UTC
Power off ? 17:30-17:40 UTC

Dec 8, 2017
Power on ?  14:05-14:15 UTC
Power off and stow ? 17:45-17:55UTC

73, John Brier KG4AKV

From limaunion at fibertel.com.ar  Tue Dec  5 19:37:21 2017
From: limaunion at fibertel.com.ar (Limaunion)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:37:21 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 in Gpredict
In-Reply-To: <CA+K5gzf+krn=eefs0RTPcp4g5+kVZFnkA6J4d_mJq9xZnQfLjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571587593.169921.1512186904413.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571587593.169921.1512186904413@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ef6d27c-0a4b-c6e6-9d95-4e57d262aced@gmail.com>
	<e11c0eb6-ee9c-4341-cbb2-66487d7b6c8e@att.net>
	<012d1faf-7364-a172-4c24-e213fc02febe@gmail.com>
	<CA+K5gzf+krn=eefs0RTPcp4g5+kVZFnkA6J4d_mJq9xZnQfLjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0a66f83-613f-691c-cf8e-514b6050d553@fibertel.com.ar>

On 12/05/2017 02:42 PM, Robert McGwier wrote:
> The only difference is https doesn't work.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mac,
>>
>> Hmmpf.  No idea.
>>
>> Helping another Ham, we found that his version of GPredict needed to
>> have the server URL on one line (without the nasabare.txt part), and the
>> file name (nasabare.txt) on a different line.  He has v1.4 on Windows,
>> I'm on v1.3.something on Linux.
>>
>> The data isn't all that sensitive, so I wouldn't be too concerned about
>> the lack of SSL security, but it's still odd...  For what it's worth,
>> all the pre-configured URLs for Celestrak are http-no-s also.  I think I
>> just did a copy/paste from the Amsat site when configuring mine.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Greg  KO6TH
>>
>>

I followed Greg's suggestion and didn't experience any trouble with 
HTTPS. AO-85 is now on my list. I'm on linux too and Gpredict version is 
1.3.482-6bac (Manjaro distro). Thanks for your trick!
73


From john at papays.com  Tue Dec  5 19:10:25 2017
From: john at papays.com (John Papay)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:10:25 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM QSL's
Message-ID: <20171205194057.31FB687D0@lansing182.amsat.org>

Yuri has asked that anyone who has not received
confirmations from this year and previous year's operations
to prepare logsheets so that he can mail them out when
he arrives in New Orleans.  Marinetraffic.com anticipates a
15 or 16Dec arrival but get these to me now so that he has
time to get them ready for mailing.  Instructions are at
papays.com/sat  There are no changes from the original procedure.

The Seahorse is a relatively new ship and is wider than previous
vessels so it cannot go through the locks in the Great Lakes.  So
he will be more restricted as to possible destinations than he
was last season.  He has been very busy with his duties and has
had little time for anything else.  He sends his regards to all.

73,
John K8YSE


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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 20:50:50 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:50:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV delayed a day due to Cygnus release...
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKO6PVAouCx+9=Zaf44tSbKufJE2QuoksRt1H9mDVC2yEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALn0fKO6PVAouCx+9=Zaf44tSbKufJE2QuoksRt1H9mDVC2yEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKMkVYDV+4joqRppFdayX7QDh-bDCh1xV0n7V8G8QvbdbQ@mail.gmail.com>

I copy pasted the wrong update. Should have been:

Dec 6, 2017
Test Setup and activation ?  15:25-16:25UTC

Dec 7, 2017
Test Power off ? 08:10-08:20 UTC (note also this said 18:xx on the
site earlier. It has been updated)
Power on ?  13:40-13:50 UTC
Power off ? 17:30-17:40 UTC

Dec 8, 2017
Power on ?  14:05-14:15 UTC
Power off and stow ? 17:45-17:55UTC

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:32 PM, John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> https://ariss-sstv.blogspot.com/2017/11/mai-75-in-december.html
>
> **UPDATE Dec 5**
> Looks like they had to do some rescheduling related to changes in the
> Cygnus release. Below is the new schedule:
>
> Dec 6, 2017
> Test Setup and activation ?  15:25-16:25UTC
>
> Dec 7, 2017
> Test Power off ? 18:10-18:20 UTC
> Power on ?  13:40-13:50 UTC
> Power off ? 17:30-17:40 UTC
>
> Dec 8, 2017
> Power on ?  14:05-14:15 UTC
> Power off and stow ? 17:45-17:55UTC
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV

From AJ9N at aol.com  Wed Dec  6 06:36:45 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:36:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-06 06:30
	UTC
Message-ID: <366840.189c7aa9.4758e9fd@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-06  06:30 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Shirokawa Elementary School, Seiyo, Japan, direct via  8J5SS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Paolo Nespoli (***)
Contact is a go for: Mon 2017-12-11 11:06:25  UTC 70 deg (***)

Antietam Elementary School, Woodbridge, VA, direct  via KM4TAY
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The  scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP (***)
Contact is a go for: Mon  2017-12-11 18:30:10 UTC 36 deg (***)

Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San  Sebasti?n, Spain, direct via EG2SMA 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be OR4ISS 
The scheduled astronaut is Joe Acaba KE5DAR
Contact is a go  for: Tue 2017-12-12 13:01:28 UTC 84 deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

**************************************
*****************************************

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 124  
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-06 06:30 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1196.  
Each school counts  as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1145.   
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-05 07:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From skristof at etczone.com  Wed Dec  6 15:02:35 2017
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 10:02:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SSTV
Message-ID: <efacd0b3e6ef1d62bacf1481bceffa40@etczone.com>

Sorry I couldn't make out the details due to my minimal receiving
station, but I just want to let whoever sent the Red Beans and Rice
recipe via AO-85 that it was received in grid EM79ji. 

Steve AI9IN 

Oldenburg IN 

EM79ji

From dave at druidnetworks.com  Wed Dec  6 15:14:57 2017
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 09:14:57 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 SSTV
In-Reply-To: <efacd0b3e6ef1d62bacf1481bceffa40@etczone.com>
References: <efacd0b3e6ef1d62bacf1481bceffa40@etczone.com>
Message-ID: <CANq+eyWCYSxa8-zQ7KEHWAR4c+fUx_MK=UXwtx0pp6n7z_2BZw@mail.gmail.com>

The text was a little too small to work with the SSTV resolution, but it
turned out OK considering. I'll play around a bit more and see if i can
make things more readable for Jambalaya or Pasole next week :)

-Dave, KG5CCI

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:02 AM, <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:

> Sorry I couldn't make out the details due to my minimal receiving
> station, but I just want to let whoever sent the Red Beans and Rice
> recipe via AO-85 that it was received in grid EM79ji.
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
> Oldenburg IN
>
> EM79ji
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From hawat1 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  6 16:05:16 2017
From: hawat1 at yahoo.com (Andreas Kellner)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:05:16 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
Message-ID: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>

Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)  from ISS SSTV on a 62
degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the
ISS that strong ? 

Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.  Does anybody
know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?

 

Thanks,

 

Andreas - VK4TH


From simon at sdr-radio.com  Wed Dec  6 16:10:12 2017
From: simon at sdr-radio.com (Simon Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:10:12 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>
References: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>

Andreas, I thought it was 2 minutes on/off? The format is PD120 which is 120
seconds.

The first image I received started only a few seconds after AOS and was
surprisingly strong.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

www.dxgalaxy.com
www.sdr-radio.com
www.sdr-satellites.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Andreas
Kellner via AMSAT-BB
Sent: 06 December 2017 16:05
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)  from ISS SSTV on a 62
degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the
ISS that strong ? 

Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.  Does anybody
know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?

 

Thanks,

 

Andreas - VK4TH

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From hawat1 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  6 16:17:04 2017
From: hawat1 at yahoo.com (Andy Kellner)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:17:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>
References: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>
	<013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>
Message-ID: <2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, sorry 2 min on / 2 min off. My bad ;-) Yes, I was surprised how strong the signal was. Must be using more power than usual.
Andreas.


      From: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>
 To: 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017, 2:11
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
   
Andreas, I thought it was 2 minutes on/off? The format is PD120 which is 120
seconds.

The first image I received started only a few seconds after AOS and was
surprisingly strong.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

www.dxgalaxy.com
www.sdr-radio.com
www.sdr-satellites.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Andreas
Kellner via AMSAT-BB
Sent: 06 December 2017 16:05
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)? from ISS SSTV on a 62
degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the
ISS that strong ? 

Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.? Does anybody
know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?

 

Thanks,

 

Andreas - VK4TH

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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 16:23:51 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 11:23:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>
	<013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>
	<2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNTmOp8eaK+ZwshQ4Zf1UaoWe3oEB=b3sQZsxKYuQ5XMA@mail.gmail.com>

I believe they use an unmodified Kenwood D710E for SSTV and it can put
out up to 50 watts.

See this thread:

https://twitter.com/ARISS_status/status/883020516180840448

FWIW, up until the July 2017 event I believe it was always PD180.
Perhaps they will stay on PD120 going forward. I think I preferred the
higher resolution mode, but certainly PD120 makes it easier to get
more and more complete images.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Andy Kellner via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> Yes, sorry 2 min on / 2 min off. My bad ;-) Yes, I was surprised how strong the signal was. Must be using more power than usual.
> Andreas.
>
>
>       From: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>
>  To: 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>  Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017, 2:11
>  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
>
> Andreas, I thought it was 2 minutes on/off? The format is PD120 which is 120
> seconds.
>
> The first image I received started only a few seconds after AOS and was
> surprisingly strong.
>
> Simon Brown, G4ELI
>
> www.dxgalaxy.com
> www.sdr-radio.com
> www.sdr-satellites.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Andreas
> Kellner via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: 06 December 2017 16:05
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
> Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
>
> Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)  from ISS SSTV on a 62
> degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the
> ISS that strong ?
>
> Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.  Does anybody
> know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Andreas - VK4TH
>
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From simon at sdr-radio.com  Wed Dec  6 16:05:21 2017
From: simon at sdr-radio.com (Simon Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:05:21 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Good ISS SSTC reception
Message-ID: <012e01d36eac$048fa770$0daef650$@sdr-radio.com>

Two cracking images

 

http://www.sdr-radio.com/Blog/PostId/23/iss-images-dec-6-2017-1503-utc

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

 

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www.sdr-radio.com <http://www.sdr-radio.com/> 
www.sdr-satellites.com <http://www.sdr-satellites.com> 

 

 


From vu3tyg at yahoo.co.in  Wed Dec  6 18:57:09 2017
From: vu3tyg at yahoo.co.in (Nitin Muttin)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:57:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>
	<013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>
	<2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1050511796.642050.1512586629039@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, the signals were very strong, copied two images and uploaded on?http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/ARISS_SSTV/index.php?as the latest mission is not listed.?
73
Nitin [VU3TYG]

      From: Andy Kellner via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>; 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
   
Yes, sorry 2 min on / 2 min off. My bad ;-) Yes, I was surprised how strong the signal was. Must be using more power than usual.
Andreas.


? ? ? From: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>
 To: 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017, 2:11
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
? 
Andreas, I thought it was 2 minutes on/off? The format is PD120 which is 120
seconds.

The first image I received started only a few seconds after AOS and was
surprisingly strong.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

www.dxgalaxy.com
www.sdr-radio.com
www.sdr-satellites.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Andreas
Kellner via AMSAT-BB
Sent: 06 December 2017 16:05
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)? from ISS SSTV on a 62
degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the
ISS that strong ? 

Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.? Does anybody
know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?

 

Thanks,

 

Andreas - VK4TH

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From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net  Wed Dec  6 21:27:43 2017
From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:27:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
Message-ID: <4088dd32-dd03-ae42-b675-93278ba02be6@burlingtontelecom.net>

Got two good images from the ISS just now. VERY loud signals from them....
-- 

73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"

From koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl  Wed Dec  6 21:51:04 2017
From: koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl (Koos van den Hout)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:51:04 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <4088dd32-dd03-ae42-b675-93278ba02be6@burlingtontelecom.net>
References: <4088dd32-dd03-ae42-b675-93278ba02be6@burlingtontelecom.net>
Message-ID: <a4210d8d-5b70-0a18-c39b-b39b92dc095c@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>

On 12/06/2017 10:27 PM, Mike Seguin wrote:
> Got two good images from the ISS just now. VERY loud signals from them....

The signals are loud here too. I just received a full image which
started at 7 degrees above the horizon and ended at the horizon. It's
clearly showing decoding errors, but at the best reception my FT-857D
gave it an S5. See https://twitter.com/khoos/status/938525407426629632

And that's on a vertical on top of the house. I wonder what an Az/El
rotor on a high spot can do!

Koos van den Hout PE4KH

-- 
Koos van den Hout           PGP keyid 0x5BA9368BE6F334E4 via keyservers
https://idefix.net/

From k5saf.tx at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 22:46:17 2017
From: k5saf.tx at gmail.com (Tom Matthews)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:46:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] One Nice Decode on 21:10 Pass in Houston EL29
Message-ID: <CAOD_qbWMwM_Ps7R5QANyeJGJ0Oeqy0m1uz_v+QB33N=+SU6eJw@mail.gmail.com>

Very strong signal on 18 degree pass with mag mount antenna on mobile rig.
Copied image 6 of 12.

73,
Tom K5SAF

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 23:01:20 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:01:20 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <a4210d8d-5b70-0a18-c39b-b39b92dc095c@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
References: <4088dd32-dd03-ae42-b675-93278ba02be6@burlingtontelecom.net>
	<a4210d8d-5b70-0a18-c39b-b39b92dc095c@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <a0b197cc-32d1-db15-2660-1dbdb7d075c3@gmail.com>

S9 the entire pass just now on my Oscar-ish array, without the preamp. 
2m antenna is a 2x8 element circular polarized beam, and about 60' of
old RG-something-thick (either 8 or 214) to the rig.  Full Az/El
rotisserie.  2 great images (4/12 and 5/12), though I had to switch
polarization about halfway through the first one.  Odd, since I thought
the ISS antennas were linear...

Greg  KO6TH


Koos van den Hout wrote:
> On 12/06/2017 10:27 PM, Mike Seguin wrote:
>> Got two good images from the ISS just now. VERY loud signals from them....
> The signals are loud here too. I just received a full image which
> started at 7 degrees above the horizon and ended at the horizon. It's
> clearly showing decoding errors, but at the best reception my FT-857D
> gave it an S5. See https://twitter.com/khoos/status/938525407426629632
>
> And that's on a vertical on top of the house. I wonder what an Az/El
> rotor on a high spot can do!
>
> Koos van den Hout PE4KH
>


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 23:07:57 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:07:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <a0b197cc-32d1-db15-2660-1dbdb7d075c3@gmail.com>
References: <4088dd32-dd03-ae42-b675-93278ba02be6@burlingtontelecom.net>
	<a4210d8d-5b70-0a18-c39b-b39b92dc095c@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
	<a0b197cc-32d1-db15-2660-1dbdb7d075c3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKOB-tFhuJU-7PRtTDSLnGt27diMZXjmUc+eqpe87dV+Hw@mail.gmail.com>

In the Extra class license manual I have it says signals can switch
polarity when they come through the ionosphere.

On Dec 6, 2017 6:02 PM, "Greg D" <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:

S9 the entire pass just now on my Oscar-ish array, without the preamp.
2m antenna is a 2x8 element circular polarized beam, and about 60' of
old RG-something-thick (either 8 or 214) to the rig.  Full Az/El
rotisserie.  2 great images (4/12 and 5/12), though I had to switch
polarization about halfway through the first one.  Odd, since I thought
the ISS antennas were linear...

Greg  KO6TH


Koos van den Hout wrote:
> On 12/06/2017 10:27 PM, Mike Seguin wrote:
>> Got two good images from the ISS just now. VERY loud signals from
them....
> The signals are loud here too. I just received a full image which
> started at 7 degrees above the horizon and ended at the horizon. It's
> clearly showing decoding errors, but at the best reception my FT-857D
> gave it an S5. See https://twitter.com/khoos/status/938525407426629632
>
> And that's on a vertical on top of the house. I wonder what an Az/El
> rotor on a high spot can do!
>
> Koos van den Hout PE4KH
>

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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 23:19:44 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:19:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <55a10f70-0fc3-11f6-1c8c-c2f6753dc0b8@gmail.com>
References: <4088dd32-dd03-ae42-b675-93278ba02be6@burlingtontelecom.net>
	<a4210d8d-5b70-0a18-c39b-b39b92dc095c@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
	<a0b197cc-32d1-db15-2660-1dbdb7d075c3@gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKOB-tFhuJU-7PRtTDSLnGt27diMZXjmUc+eqpe87dV+Hw@mail.gmail.com>
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I see your point. I'm not sure but I look forward to better answers.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Dec 6, 2017 6:16 PM, "Greg D" <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, but doesn't linear stay linear (but perhaps in a different
> direction)?  And linear in any direction should be a match for circular, in
> either direction, with a constant 6db loss.  At least that's the theory.
> In practice, theory and practice can be different...
>
> The first picture was in the first half of the pass, and the second about
> equally spaced on the second half (nice, since the rotor had to do a 180
> spin right in the middle).  The second picture on that pass came through
> without any issues.
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
> John Brier wrote:
>
> In the Extra class license manual I have it says signals can switch
> polarity when they come through the ionosphere.
>
> On Dec 6, 2017 6:02 PM, "Greg D" <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> S9 the entire pass just now on my Oscar-ish array, without the preamp.
> 2m antenna is a 2x8 element circular polarized beam, and about 60' of
> old RG-something-thick (either 8 or 214) to the rig.  Full Az/El
> rotisserie.  2 great images (4/12 and 5/12), though I had to switch
> polarization about halfway through the first one.  Odd, since I thought
> the ISS antennas were linear...
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> Koos van den Hout wrote:
> > On 12/06/2017 10:27 PM, Mike Seguin wrote:
> >> Got two good images from the ISS just now. VERY loud signals from
> them....
> > The signals are loud here too. I just received a full image which
> > started at 7 degrees above the horizon and ended at the horizon. It's
> > clearly showing decoding errors, but at the best reception my FT-857D
> > gave it an S5. See https://twitter.com/khoos/status/938525407426629632
> >
> > And that's on a vertical on top of the house. I wonder what an Az/El
> > rotor on a high spot can do!
> >
> > Koos van den Hout PE4KH
> >
>
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From osbornes at paradise.net.nz  Thu Dec  7 02:45:52 2017
From: osbornes at paradise.net.nz (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 15:45:52 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
Message-ID: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>

Hi Launch Watchers,

Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC tomorrow 8th December.
You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream

Weather looks good so far.

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC

From n5uxt at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  6 16:31:08 2017
From: n5uxt at hotmail.com (Angelo Glorioso)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:31:08 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM QSL's
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR2201MB103913C8681762DFA30B687BED3D0@MWHPR2201MB1039.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <20171205194057.31FB687D0@lansing182.amsat.org>
	<MWHPR2201MB103913C8681762DFA30B687BED3D0@MWHPR2201MB1039.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR2201MB1039A86A11F91C40821E899EED320@MWHPR2201MB1039.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hello John,

I am not sure if my email when to junk. Since Yuri is coming to New Orleans, I can help with free LMR 400 and connectors if he still needs it??


73 de Angelo / N5UXT in New Orleans.


On 12/5/2017 2:16 PM, Angelo Glorioso wrote:
Hello John,
I have been reading the thread about UT1FG. Does he still need coax???
I have a roll of LMR 400 that we can cut to his liking. I have the connectors to.

Let me know.

Angelo / N5UXT IN NEW ORLEANS.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:10:25 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org<mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM QSL's

Yuri has asked that anyone who has not received
confirmations from this year and previous year's operations
to prepare logsheets so that he can mail them out when
he arrives in New Orleans.  Marinetraffic.com anticipates a
15 or 16Dec arrival but get these to me now so that he has
time to get them ready for mailing.  Instructions are at
papays.com/sat  There are no changes from the original procedure.

The Seahorse is a relatively new ship and is wider than previous
vessels so it cannot go through the locks in the Great Lakes.  So
he will be more restricted as to possible destinations than he
was last season.  He has been very busy with his duties and has
had little time for anything else.  He sends his regards to all.

73,
John K8YSE


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From quadpugh at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec  7 12:47:48 2017
From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:47:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate
Message-ID: <069701d36f59$9746ac00$c5d40400$@bellsouth.net>


I want to use a R Pi as a I Gate can someone point me to software the does
this and how to configure it?





nick

Cell????? 337 258 2527
?
Helping UL become a world Class Engineering ?and Educational School
Disagree I Learn



From royldean at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 13:39:36 2017
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:39:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate
Message-ID: <CADGPg2u9PHNNvjOoRmV9LjMfa53oURF743tDKAvJxEzeZdDiqw@mail.gmail.com>

http://tech-software.net/satgate/satgate.htm

https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/blob/master/doc/Raspberry-Pi-SDR-IGate.pdf

Be sure to use "SATGATE 15" command in your .conf file to avoid "black
hole" situation.

I want to use a R Pi as a I Gate can someone point me to software the does
> this and how to configure it? nick

From zryder94 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 14:52:32 2017
From: zryder94 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:52:32 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate
In-Reply-To: <069701d36f59$9746ac00$c5d40400$@bellsouth.net>
References: <069701d36f59$9746ac00$c5d40400$@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CAGD5MUE-f7TwEpC4KejE+j-4LBkm=5W-kV6LXSTVgMfQrrpX2Q@mail.gmail.com>

This has always worked well for me.

http://www.kubonweb.de/?tag=rtl-sdr

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Nick Pugh <quadpugh at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> I want to use a R Pi as a I Gate can someone point me to software the does
> this and how to configure it?
>
>
>
>
>
> nick
>
> Cell      337 258 2527
>
> Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School
> Disagree I Learn
>
>
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From scott23192 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 15:04:19 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:04:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate
In-Reply-To: <CAGD5MUE-f7TwEpC4KejE+j-4LBkm=5W-kV6LXSTVgMfQrrpX2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <069701d36f59$9746ac00$c5d40400$@bellsouth.net>
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Message-ID: <CAAB344701254BF79FD84FBC701D62FF@CSI9020>

Another approach that works extremely well and has a very large user base is 
to use Direwolf on the Pi with an RTL-SDR.

The primary how-to is here:

https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/blob/master/doc/Raspberry-Pi-SDR-IGate.pdf

(can't copy/paste, unfortunately)

... and some of the same info is presented nicely at:

http://g7kse.co.uk/raspberry-pi-aprs-igate/

... some of the steps involved may look daunting, but they really are not if 
you just follow the steps.  And running it after you're setup is extremely 
easy.

-Scott,  K4KDR


================================================

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:52 AM
To: Nick Pugh
Cc: AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate

This has always worked well for me.

http://www.kubonweb.de/?tag=rtl-sdr

================================================

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Nick Pugh <quadpugh at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> I want to use a R Pi as a I Gate can someone point me to software the does
> this and how to configure it?
>
>
>
>
>
> nick
>
> Cell      337 258 2527
>
> Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School
> Disagree I Learn 


From hawat1 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  7 15:09:15 2017
From: hawat1 at yahoo.com (Andreas Kellner)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:09:15 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <1050511796.642050.1512586629039@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>	<013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>	<2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1050511796.642050.1512586629039@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01d36f6d$5b77c290$126747b0$@yahoo.com>

2 new pictures on a 53 degree pass from the ISS. Picture sequence changed now ... looks like photographs from Students ?

Andreas - VK4TH

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Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017 04:57
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Yes, the signals were very strong, copied two images and uploaded on http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/ARISS_SSTV/index.php as the latest mission is not listed.
73
Nitin [VU3TYG]

      From: Andy Kellner via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>; 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
   
Yes, sorry 2 min on / 2 min off. My bad ;-) Yes, I was surprised how strong the signal was. Must be using more power than usual.
Andreas.


      From: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>
 To: 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017, 2:11
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
  
Andreas, I thought it was 2 minutes on/off? The format is PD120 which is 120 seconds.

The first image I received started only a few seconds after AOS and was surprisingly strong.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

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www.sdr-satellites.com


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 06 December 2017 16:05
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)  from ISS SSTV on a 62 degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the ISS that strong ? 

Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.  Does anybody know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?

 

Thanks,

 

Andreas - VK4TH

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From simon at sdr-radio.com  Thu Dec  7 15:15:56 2017
From: simon at sdr-radio.com (Simon Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 15:15:56 -0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
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References: <001a01d36eac$044cd210$0ce67630$@yahoo.com>	<013601d36eac$b2648a00$172d9e00$@sdr-radio.com>	<2063793811.2593570.1512577024564@mail.yahoo.com>	<1050511796.642050.1512586629039@mail.yahoo.com>
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Yes,

I received 7/12 and 8/12, next pass in 31m

Simon Brown, G4ELI

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Kellner via AMSAT-BB
Sent: 07 December 2017 15:09
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

2 new pictures on a 53 degree pass from the ISS. Picture sequence changed
now ... looks like photographs from Students ?

Andreas - VK4TH

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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Yes, the signals were very strong, copied two images and uploaded on
http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/ARISS_SSTV/index.php as the latest
mission is not listed.
73
Nitin [VU3TYG]

      From: Andy Kellner via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>; 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB'
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 Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 9:49 PM
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Yes, sorry 2 min on / 2 min off. My bad ;-) Yes, I was surprised how strong
the signal was. Must be using more power than usual.
Andreas.


      From: Simon Brown <simon at sdr-radio.com>
 To: 'Andreas Kellner via AMSAT-BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2017, 2:11
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
  
Andreas, I thought it was 2 minutes on/off? The format is PD120 which is 120
seconds.

The first image I received started only a few seconds after AOS and was
surprisingly strong.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

www.dxgalaxy.com
www.sdr-radio.com
www.sdr-satellites.com


-----Original Message-----
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Kellner via AMSAT-BB
Sent: 06 December 2017 16:05
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org; amsatvk at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV

Received 2 beautiful clear pictures (12/12 and 1/12)  from ISS SSTV on a 62
degree pass over east coast Australia. Very strong signal .. never heard the
ISS that strong ? 

Transmitting in the typical 3 min on / 3 min off schedule.  Does anybody
know if they issue certificates again on this SSTV cycle ?

 

Thanks,

 

Andreas - VK4TH

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From n0jy at amsat.org  Thu Dec  7 16:03:20 2017
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:03:20 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A video about AO-91
Message-ID: <ca40b77d-058d-b7e2-dc1f-3964cf52f6dc@amsat.org>

I did a little video yesterday.? If you are interested in knowing a bit
about AO-91's receive capability and some of the fun we had getting her
to the launch pad, here is the URL.

https://youtu.be/no4pHx02lSI

-- 
Jerry Buxton, N?JY


From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Dec  7 19:31:24 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 14:31:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] November/December 2017 Apogee View Posted
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpGAHa6d2Zu9K6GWveW+KxRU_sVnZYmUYK-m333NTqURw@mail.gmail.com>

The November/December 2017 edition of Apogee View, a comprehensive
bimonthly update of AMSAT's activities written by AMSAT President Joe
Spier, K6WAO, has been posted on the AMSAT website.

https://www.amsat.org/apogeeview/

From Rday at nisdtx.org  Thu Dec  7 16:51:34 2017
From: Rday at nisdtx.org (Day, Wayne)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:51:34 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] A video about AO-91
Message-ID: <126227adacb04940953e61adc53f8f0d@NISD-MBX02.nisdtx.org>

Very informative video, Jerry.  It's always interesting to get the behind-the-scenes information and happenings that are so necessary.  Of course, it's all the behind-the-scenes work that makes the final result look so good!

73 Wayne N5WD  AMSAT #3053
Back in the AMSAT family once again




From vk4tec at tech-software.net  Thu Dec  7 18:35:14 2017
From: vk4tec at tech-software.net (vk4tec at tech-software.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 04:35:14 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate
In-Reply-To: <CAAB344701254BF79FD84FBC701D62FF@CSI9020>
References: <069701d36f59$9746ac00$c5d40400$@bellsouth.net>	<CAGD5MUE-f7TwEpC4KejE+j-4LBkm=5W-kV6LXSTVgMfQrrpX2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAB344701254BF79FD84FBC701D62FF@CSI9020>
Message-ID: <001b01d36f8a$20d227d0$62767770$@tech-software.net>

http://tech-software.net/satgate/satgate.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 1:04 AM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate

Another approach that works extremely well and has a very large user base is
to use Direwolf on the Pi with an RTL-SDR.

The primary how-to is here:

https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/blob/master/doc/Raspberry-Pi-SDR-IGate.pd
f

(can't copy/paste, unfortunately)

... and some of the same info is presented nicely at:

http://g7kse.co.uk/raspberry-pi-aprs-igate/

... some of the steps involved may look daunting, but they really are not if
you just follow the steps.  And running it after you're setup is extremely
easy.

-Scott,  K4KDR


================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Thompson
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:52 AM
To: Nick Pugh
Cc: AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] R PI I gate

This has always worked well for me.

http://www.kubonweb.de/?tag=rtl-sdr

================================================

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Nick Pugh <quadpugh at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> I want to use a R Pi as a I Gate can someone point me to software the 
> does this and how to configure it?
>
>
>
>
>
> nick
>
> Cell      337 258 2527
>
> Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School 
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From ingejack at cox.net  Thu Dec  7 21:15:07 2017
From: ingejack at cox.net (alex weimer)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:15:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] HC8LUT
Message-ID: <138565769.23330.1512681307603@myemail.cox.net>

HC8LUT was on AO-7 again at 2106 Z with a strong signal.   JACK  KC7MG

From ingejack at cox.net  Thu Dec  7 21:16:38 2017
From: ingejack at cox.net (alex weimer)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:16:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] HC8LUT
Message-ID: <77032026.23401.1512681398779@myemail.cox.net>

Station HC8LUT was on AO7 again at 2106 Z time with a strong signal... JACK  KC7MG

From af5cc2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  7 21:20:51 2017
From: af5cc2 at gmail.com (John Geiger)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 15:20:51 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] HC8LUT
In-Reply-To: <77032026.23401.1512681398779@myemail.cox.net>
References: <77032026.23401.1512681398779@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAHC1P2_Wy3aPxB3t7_8NK89w6Z2GP1pV+t612cT7PNO1d7vMUQ@mail.gmail.com>

I worked them easily for a new country on satellites!  What was the noise
on AO7 that was present for much of the pass?

73 John AF5CC

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, alex weimer <ingejack at cox.net> wrote:

> Station HC8LUT was on AO7 again at 2106 Z time with a strong signal...
> JACK  KC7MG
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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Thu Dec  7 21:33:43 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:33:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] HC8LUT
In-Reply-To: <CAHC1P2_Wy3aPxB3t7_8NK89w6Z2GP1pV+t612cT7PNO1d7vMUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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It was another station, I believe possibly AB1OC, higher in the passband
who was using too much power. The entire passband was made ridiculously
noisy by one or two users' excessive uplink power "FMing" everyone's
signals. I'll review a couple of recordings from myself and other ops to
see if I can determine who it was. Maybe a polite email will help them to
use better operating habits, and make sat passes more fun for everyone!

73,


- Matthew
? NJ4Y?


On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:20 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I worked them easily for a new country on satellites!  What was the noise
> on AO7 that was present for much of the pass?
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, alex weimer <ingejack at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Station HC8LUT was on AO7 again at 2106 Z time with a strong signal...
> > JACK  KC7MG
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From dave at druidnetworks.com  Thu Dec  7 22:32:33 2017
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:32:33 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] HC8LUT
In-Reply-To: <CAN8zKtTX0V4kLBkDzg6ffNziQ5DCgZ0hLAJWSWk46J+2Jcfd8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77032026.23401.1512681398779@myemail.cox.net>
	<CAHC1P2_Wy3aPxB3t7_8NK89w6Z2GP1pV+t612cT7PNO1d7vMUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8zKtTX0V4kLBkDzg6ffNziQ5DCgZ0hLAJWSWk46J+2Jcfd8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Actually Matt - it was a combination of AB1OC, AF5CC, and KC7KIU all using
excess amounts of power, and none of them hearing each other. Here's a
great RF recording I took on my SDR today of the pass in question. Feel
free to download it here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qzbs6dLfO3UCdg8V7aQUoh8dBgmamXzu

I recommend HDSDR for playback, but any SDR software should suffice. The
fun stuff (and by 'fun' I mean transponder destroying dQRM) begins at
21:10:38z.

Looking thru my logs it appears I've given at least 2 of culprits a fair
amount of rover grids. If you can figure out how use your power knobs, I
might give you more in the future. If not, then don't bother calling me on
the road again.

-Dave, KG5CCI

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net>
wrote:

> It was another station, I believe possibly AB1OC, higher in the passband
> who was using too much power. The entire passband was made ridiculously
> noisy by one or two users' excessive uplink power "FMing" everyone's
> signals. I'll review a couple of recordings from myself and other ops to
> see if I can determine who it was. Maybe a polite email will help them to
> use better operating habits, and make sat passes more fun for everyone!
>
> 73,
>
>
> - Matthew
> ? NJ4Y?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:20 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I worked them easily for a new country on satellites!  What was the noise
> > on AO7 that was present for much of the pass?
> >
> > 73 John AF5CC
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, alex weimer <ingejack at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Station HC8LUT was on AO7 again at 2106 Z time with a strong signal...
> > > JACK  KC7MG
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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Thu Dec  7 23:23:20 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 18:23:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] HC8LUT
In-Reply-To: <CANq+eyWvmF83+jg01gyS6JaNPxvM8i+wZn8q3bUQ_yz5KrqV4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77032026.23401.1512681398779@myemail.cox.net>
	<CAHC1P2_Wy3aPxB3t7_8NK89w6Z2GP1pV+t612cT7PNO1d7vMUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8zKtTX0V4kLBkDzg6ffNziQ5DCgZ0hLAJWSWk46J+2Jcfd8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANq+eyWvmF83+jg01gyS6JaNPxvM8i+wZn8q3bUQ_yz5KrqV4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the recording Dave! That was a very enlightening listening experience. As I suspected, in the SDR I am able to observe who was transmitting at the point where the ?FMing? was worst (which you can hear about 2/3 of the way through my recording at https://drive.google.com/open?id=10ByP9n0P9FJnCsIsHl7HYWKcznxeluT8)

That was when AB1OC was CQing, and KC7KIU was attempting to call him. NS3L and myself were transmitting elsewhere in the band, and you can see/hear both of our signals dropping out when the QRO stations were calling.

As I noted on air in my recording, you can hear how easily I was making it into the satellite with 5w and a 7 element handheld antenna! I was also hearing quite well even with some local RFI. It?s not necessary to run the power levels that these QRO guys were using! My own QSO with NS3L was made very difficult due to the person tuning up on the frequency where AB1OC?s signal appeared soon after.

It would be great if everyone could use this as a learning experience: A) you don?t need high power on any of the LEO sats, really. And B) if you?re not hearing anything from the satellite, the solution is not to turn up your power! These QRO stations were obviously not hearing themselves or other loud stations, even though their signals were much much stronger than my own (which I was able to hear easily).

Just something to think about!

73,
- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:32, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually Matt - it was a combination of AB1OC, AF5CC, and KC7KIU all using excess amounts of power, and none of them hearing each other. Here's a great RF recording I took on my SDR today of the pass in question. Feel free to download it here: 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qzbs6dLfO3UCdg8V7aQUoh8dBgmamXzu 
> 
> I recommend HDSDR for playback, but any SDR software should suffice. The fun stuff (and by 'fun' I mean transponder destroying dQRM) begins at 21:10:38z. 
> 
> Looking thru my logs it appears I've given at least 2 of culprits a fair amount of rover grids. If you can figure out how use your power knobs, I might give you more in the future. If not, then don't bother calling me on the road again. 
> 
> -Dave, KG5CCI
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net> wrote:
>> It was another station, I believe possibly AB1OC, higher in the passband
>> who was using too much power. The entire passband was made ridiculously
>> noisy by one or two users' excessive uplink power "FMing" everyone's
>> signals. I'll review a couple of recordings from myself and other ops to
>> see if I can determine who it was. Maybe a polite email will help them to
>> use better operating habits, and make sat passes more fun for everyone!
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> 
>> - Matthew
>> ? NJ4Y?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:20 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > I worked them easily for a new country on satellites!  What was the noise
>> > on AO7 that was present for much of the pass?
>> >
>> > 73 John AF5CC
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, alex weimer <ingejack at cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Station HC8LUT was on AO7 again at 2106 Z time with a strong signal...
>> > > JACK  KC7MG
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From va6bmj at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 01:51:57 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 01:51:57 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/7/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.

<snip>

Are there any updates?  It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video stream yet.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 01:58:17 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 19:58:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>
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spaceflightnow.com says delayed 24 hours.


--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 7:51 PM, B J <va6bmj at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/7/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > Hi Launch Watchers,
> >
> > Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> > tomorrow 8th December.
> > You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
> >
> > Weather looks good so far.
>
> <snip>
>
> Are there any updates?  It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video
> stream yet.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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From osbornes at paradise.net.nz  Fri Dec  8 01:29:34 2017
From: osbornes at paradise.net.nz (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 14:29:34 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <DCD5470587CB46CD8C21A13345D79FE9@OsbornesPC>

Looks like Launch delayed until tomorrow at earliest.
Weather not looking good for Sunday, (Southerly front coming through with 
showers).
Monday looks better.
Watch twitter feed https://twitter.com/RocketLab for updates.

73,
Terry ZL2BAC

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:45 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

Hi Launch Watchers,

Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC 
tomorrow 8th December.
You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream

Weather looks good so far.

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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From va6bmj at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 02:07:24 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 02:07:24 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkN73DET1M9E7eaD0xA=YSMafj5momEPXpvc5xsXgaL-5A@mail.gmail.com>

<snip>

> Are there any updates?  It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video stream
> yet.

I found Rocket Lab's Twitter feed at:

https://twitter.com/rocketlab

and it appears that the launch is now scheduled for 1430 NZDT (0130
UTC) Saturday December 9 at the earliest.  If that doesn't work out,
then the next attempt might be made on Monday due to an unfavourable
weather forecast for Sunday.

Video streaming is supposed to begin about 12 minutes before launch.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Fri Dec  8 13:59:45 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:59:45 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkN73DET1M9E7eaD0xA=YSMafj5momEPXpvc5xsXgaL-5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7QzkN73DET1M9E7eaD0xA=YSMafj5momEPXpvc5xsXgaL-5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkMJik4VoQMbJhLO2p5DcU7yVnpr16UnZS1+t7s1-j9vPQ@mail.gmail.com>

According to the latest Twitter posting, it looks like the next
attempt will be at 0130 UTC Monday (i. e., 1730 PST Sunday) when there
will be good weather conditions.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From pa3weg at amsat.org  Fri Dec  8 16:13:30 2017
From: pa3weg at amsat.org (wouter weggelaar)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:13:30 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 (AO-73) mode switch
Message-ID: <CAKXf1rF-m4YCLU48GoW4dgdL6hae7bkUXzJk=4Tmqz-hvjY8Lw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

AO-73 / FUNcube-1 is now in amateur mode for the weekend with the
transponder on! Plan as normal is to switch back to auto switching
mode on Sun pm UTC

73s Wouter PA3WEG and the FUNcube team.

From k9jkm at comcast.net  Sun Dec 10 00:21:17 2017
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:21:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-344 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <e9992a5d-144f-cf81-6d77-bc6808fcf368@comcast.net>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-344

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see:
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In this edition:

* November/December 2017 Apogee View Column Posted on the AMSAT Web
* New Video: AO-91 Integration and Testing Before Launch
* Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch
* Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA
* AMSAT Keplerian Elements Updated with AO-91 NORAD Tracking Number
* New Distance Record via AO-91 5,955 km
* Satellite Activity From Azores Islands on Christmas
* December 20 Launch for HA-1 CubeSat with FM transponder and SSTV
* Information for Requesting UT1FG/MM QSL Cards
* English Edition of AMSAT-EA Newsletter
* New Cuban Movie Features Ham Radio Contact With MIR
* 2017 Open Source Cubesat Workshop Talks Posted On-line
* Spaceflight Prepares to Launch Eleven Spacecraft on India's PSLV-C40
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


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ANS-344 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 344.01
 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE December 10, 2017
To All RADIO AMATEURS
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November/December 2017 Apogee View Column Posted on the AMSAT Web

The November/December 2017 edition of Apogee View, a comprehensive
bimonthly update of AMSAT's activities written by AMSAT President Joe
Spier, K6WAO, has been posted on the AMSAT website.

https://www.amsat.org/apogeeview/

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for the above information]

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New Video: AO-91 Integration and Testing Before Launch

AMSAT VP of Engineering, Jerry Buxton, N?JY has released a video
report on YouTube, "The Good and the Bad with AO-91". During the
12 minute video Jerry describes what's right and what went a little
wrong with AO-91: She hears very well, but she had a heck of a time
learning to talk. Watch on-line at: https://youtu.be/no4pHx02lSI

[ANS thanks AMSAT VP of Engineering, Jerry Buxton, N?JY for the above 
information]

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Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch

AO-91 is open to all and works great! Now is a good time to join
AMSAT and receive a free digital copy of "Getting Started with
Amateur Satellites"!

Visit https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-membership/
and help AMSAT Keep Amateur Radio in Space.

AMSAT is making our "Getting Started With Amateur Satellites"
book available for a limited time as a download with any paid new
or renewal membership purchased via the AMSAT Store. This offer is
only available with purchases completed online, and for only a limited
time. A perennial favorite, Getting Started is updated every year
with the latest amateur satellite information, and is the premier
primer of satellite operation. The 182 page book is presented in PDF
format, in full color, and covers all aspects of making your first
contacts on a ham radio satellite.

Please take advantage of this offer today by visiting the AMSAT store
at https://www.amsat.org/shop/ and selecting any membership option.
While there, check out our other items, including the M2 LEOpack
antenna system, Arrow antennas, AMSAT shirts, and other swag.

Thank you, and see you soon on AO-91!

[ANS thanks Paul N8HM for the above information]

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Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA

Are you over 70-1/2 years of age and need to meet your IRA's Required
Minimum Distribution for 2017? Consider making a donation to AMSAT!

Under the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015, individuals
over 70-1/2 years of age may make direct transfers of up to $100,000
per year from a traditional IRA to an eligible charity without
increasing their taxable income. Consult your tax advisor or
accountant to make certain you are eligible.

AMSAT is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit educational and scientific
organization whose purpose is to design, construct, launch, and operate
satellites in space and to provide the support needed to encourage
amateurs to utilize these resources. AMSAT's federal tax ID is
52-0888529.

[ANS thanks the AMSAT Board of Directors for the above information]

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AMSAT Keplerian Elements Updated with AO-91 NORAD Tracking Number

AMSAT Orbital Elements Manager, Ray Hoad, WA5QGD advises that the
AO-91 (FOX-1B) object number has now been updated as NORAD CAT ID
43017 based on the results of detailed orbit analysis by Nico Janssen,
PA0DLO. This is expected to be the last change of object number. Ray
thanks to all who have labored to finally come to this conclusion.
to this point.

The AMSAT Keplerian elements have added AO-91 and EcAMSat (NORAD
CAT ID 43019) to the AMSAT-NA TLE distribution.

The following satellites have de-orbited and have been removed from the
AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution:

NORAD CAT ID 40949 - GomX-3
NORAD CAT ID 41477 - NODES 1
NORAD CAT ID 41478 - NODES 2
NORAD CAT ID 41931 - TANCREDO
NORAD CAT ID 42770 - INFLATESAIL

Visit http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/keps to subscribe to
weekly e-mail delivery of the AMSAT-NA TLE distribution

[ANS thanks Ray Hoad, WA5QGD, AMSAT Orbital Elements Manager for the 
above information]

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New Distance Record via AO-91 5,955 km

Satellite operators are continuing to push AO-91's footprint to
the limit. Joel Diaz, EB1AO, and Mike Diehl, W8LID, completed a
5,955 km QSO via the satellite this morning. The maximum elevation
of the pass was just 0.9? for Mike and the QSO was made at 0.5?
on his end. Who will be the first to complete a 6,000 km QSO? The
theoretical maximum range is 6,072 km. Visit the AMSAT Distance
Record page for a complete list of all satellite records:
https://www.amsat.org/satellite-distance-records/

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for the above information]

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Satellite Activity From Azores Islands on Christmas

Pedro, CU2ZG says he will be active on satellites from grid square
HM58 on Christmas.

His equipment will include an Alaskan Arrow antenna, Yaesu FT-817ND,
Yaesu FT-857D, Kenwood? TS-2000 and a Wouxun KG-UV9DPlus. Most of
the operation will be done? using the TS-2000.

Expected operating days are December 23 and 24, plus December 25
during the afternoon/evening hours. Pedro says this will be a family
holiday and skeds will be accepted depending on his availability.
His exact location will be HM58qm, at the CU7BC QTH (check QRZ.com)
Watch his twitter account (@pdsousa) for updates.

[ANS thanks Pedro, CU2ZG for the above information]

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December 20 Launch for HA-1 CubeSat with FM transponder and SSTV

The IARU has announced frequency coordination has been completed for
HA-1, a 2U CubeSat developed by the Teenagers Amateur Radio Center of
Activity in Huaian, China. HA-1 is planned for launch on December 20.

HA-1 will be mainly used for teenagers in Huaian to carry out activities
related with amateur radio and aerospace science education. The cubesat
is equipped with amateur radio repeater and SSTV(Slow Scan Television)
component, which is to validate still image transmission in narrowband
voice channel.

There is an SSTV beacon, which puts Date/Time/Location information/temp-
erature etc on a SSTV picture. Amateurs worldwide can also use HA-1 to
test SSTV via the cubesat.

Uplink:??? 145.930 MHz FM
Downlink:? 436.950 MHz FM
Telemetry: 437.350 MHz 9k6 BPSK

[ANS thanks the IARU for the above information]

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Information for Requesting UT1FG/MM QSL Cards

John, K8YSE, posted a message on the amsat-bb on behalf of Yuri,
UT1FG/MM currently at sea aboard the MV Seahorse, "Yuri has asked
that anyone who has not received confirmations from this year and
previous year's operations to prepare logsheets so that he can mail
them out when he arrives in New Orleans."

John has posted an Excel Spreadsheet for you to enter your log data
plus an example of a completed log sheet at:
http://www.papays.com/sat/ut1fgqsl.html

John's web page includes instructions to prepare your logsheet of QSO's
that Yuri can print, verify, sign and mail from one of his destination
ports. E-mail your logsheet to John at the address he lists in his
instructions. John will send an acknowledgement email when he receives
your request. This way you will know that Yuri will have your logsheet.

Marinetraffic.com anticipates a December 15-16 arrival in New Orleans.
John requests you send your logsheet QSL request as soon as possible
so Yuri will have time to get them ready for mailing.

Yuri's current ship, Seahorse, is a relatively new ship and is wider
than previous vessels he has captained so it cannot go through the
locks in the Great Lakes. On this voyage he will be more restricted
as to possible destinations than he was last season.

John concluded, "Yuri has been very busy with his duties and has
had little time for anything else. He sends his regards to all."

[ANS thanks John Papay, K8YSE for the above information]

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English Edition of AMSAT-EA Newsletter

Spain's amateur satellite group AMSAT-EA have released an English
language edition of their December newsletter

It covers the recently launched RADFXSAT (FOX-1B) FM transponder
CubeSat and the HA-1 FM / SSTV CubeSat due to launch in December.
There is an article on the satellite tracking software Orbitron
and Robert KE4AL describes his experiences operating satellites
during a DXpedition to St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Island.

The translation was made by Fernando EC1AME.

Download the newsletter from
http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-AMSATEA-News

AMSAT-EA
https://www.amsat-ea.org/
https://twitter.com/AmsatSpain

[ANS thanks Southgate and AMSAT-EA for the above information]

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New Cuban Movie Features Ham Radio Contact With MIR

The Havana, Cuba Film Festival begins on December 7. One of the movies
features a cuban amateur radio operator talking to the MIR space
station.

Posted on tiff.net: "As the Soviet Union crumbles in 1991, an amateur
radio operator in Cuba makes unexpected contact with stranded cosmo-
naut Sergei Krikalev as he observes the dissolution of his nation
from orbit, in Cuban director Ernesto Daranas Serrano's comedic yet
poignant reflection on how big events can impact ordinary lives."

Check the videos and pictures here (google translation available
on the site) http://ea1uro.com/radio/peliculacubana/

[ANS thanks the Southgate Amateur Radio News site for the above information]

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2017 Open Source Cubesat Workshop Talks Posted On-line

The Open Source Cubesat Workshop which was held on November 23-24 at
the European Space Operations Center (ESOC/ESA), Darmstadt, Germany
co-organized by Libre Space Foundation, the Librecube initiative and
ESA/ESOC Cybernetics Team (https://oscw.space) have posted a YouTube
playlist of the presentations and talks at:
http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344OpenSourceCubesat

[ANS thanks the Libre Space Foundation for the above information]

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Spaceflight Prepares to Launch Eleven Spacecraft on India's PSLV-C40

by SpaceDaily.com Staff Writers
Seattle WA (SPX) Dec 05, 2017

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Spaceflight_Prepares_to_Launch_
Eleven_Spacecraft_on_Indias_PSLV_C40_999.html

http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-SpaceflightPSLVLaunch

Spaceflight, a satellite rideshare and mission management provider,
has announced it will be launching 11 spacecraft in early January
from India's Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV). Spacecraft
include Finland's ICEYE-X1 SAR microsatellite, Planetary Resources'
Arkyd-6 6U asteroid prospecting demonstration cubesat, four Spire
Global Lemur-2 cubesats, Astro Digital's Landmapper-BC3, AMSAT's
Fox-1D cubesat, and others.

Spaceflight performed the cubesat integration at its Seattle Inte-
gration Facility and is in the process of shipping the spacecraft to
India for the PSLV-C40 mission. The PSLV rocket is scheduled to lift
off from India's Satish Dhawan Space Center in early January 2018
with the Cartosat-2ER navigation satellite, in addition to Space-
flight's rideshare customers.

"PSLV-C40 is a perfect example of how our flexible, full-service
rideshare model is enabling new commercial space businesses to
exist while expanding into new markets," said Curt Blake, president
of Spaceflight. "This mission brings new customers from outside
the industry into space while continuing partnerships with existing
customers for their ongoing satellite constellations."

One first-time customer on the mission is Finland's ICEYE with
the country's first commercial satellite, ICEYE-X1. ICEYE developed
its own synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) sensor technologies suitable
for satellites under 100kg in weight, making it one of the bigger
payloads on the PSLV-C40 mission.

This is ICEYE's first proof-of-concept microsatellite mission with
a SAR sensor as its payload and also the world's first SAR satel-
lite in this size, enabling radar imaging of the Earth through
clouds and even in total darkness. Potential use-cases for the data
are monitoring sea ice movements or marine oil spills, and preven-
tion of illegal fishing.

"Working together with Spaceflight to schedule and make this launch
a reality has been an outstanding experience for ICEYE, and it has
given us the necessary opportunities for scaling up operations for
our constellation of micro-SAR satellites as planned," said Rafal
Modrzewski, CEO and co-founder at ICEYE.

Spaceflight offers customers the most options for getting to space,
working with nearly every global launch vehicle provider, including
the Falcon 9, PSLV, Antares, Cygnus, Electron, Soyuz and others.

Much like buying an airline ticket that is valid on multiple airlines,
Spaceflight can ensure organizations have flexibility to move vehicles
if changes or delays occur. Additionally, the smallsat rideshare
service model helps organizations reach a desired orbit at a much
lower cost than buying their own launch vehicle.

Spaceflight has negotiated the launch of more than 120 satellites
on behalf of its customers and has contracts to deploy nearly 200
more through 2018. The company plans to coordinate and deploy its
largest launch to date in 2018 with its first dedicated rideshare
mission aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9.

[ANS thanks SpaceDaily.com for the above information]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ Did you know you can help AMSAT by logging into your Amazon
 ? account using http://smile.amazon.com/ch/52-0888529 to designate
 ? AMSAT-NA as the organization of your choice. When shopping on-line
 ? you must use the URL http://smile.amazon.com? for AMSAT to receive
 ? the donation from your purchases.

+ 2017: FUNcube Status and New Developments - Wouter Weggelaar,
 ? PA3WEG walks us through the whole FUNcube family of spacecraft
 ? at the AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium in Milton Keynes,
 ? October 15th 2017. Watch on-line at:
 ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELFoLtm44Kc&feature=share

+ While waiting for the next satellite pass have a listen at
 ? http://www.livemeteors.com/ to hear meteor pings as they
 ? happen. The pings are a bit more frequent during the popular
 ? meteor showers.

+ Hackaday posted an article showing how to build your own azimuth-
 ? elevation rotor: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-HackadayRotor
 ? (via Bernhard, VA6BMJ)

+ Wyatt, AC0RA plans to be active from the Carnival Sunshine cruise
 ? between December 9-16. He will use the callsign C6AWD/MM. He will
 ? operate in semiduplex mode with his FT817 and Arrow antenna. More
 ? info at the callsign listing for C6AWD on qrz.com

+ The 3Y0Z DXpedition Team on Bouvet Island is asking the amateur
 ? radio community to help with flying costs. See the details on
 ? the web: http://www.bouvetdx.org/news-and-updates/

+ European Space Agency astronaut Paolo Nespoli, IZ?JPA, is compiling
 ? TimeLapseADay videos and is sharing them on-line. These can be
 ? found on his playlist posted on YouTube:
 ? http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344TimeLapseADay

+ The December 2017 issue of SatMagazine has been posted at:
 ? http://www.satmagazine.com/? Vytenis Buzas LY1ZY features in
 ? this issue, see pages 76-77.

+ Read about new analysis of the famous Hubble Deep Field images and
 ? watch a video scan across the Deep Field. Each of those blobs and
 ? dots is a galaxy. See: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-UniverseToday

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/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information. And, with that consider that bowling is more advantageous
than golf since you rarely lose a bowling ball.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
JoAnne Maenpaa, K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat dot org


From endaf99 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 03:52:37 2017
From: endaf99 at gmail.com (Endaf Buckley)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:52:37 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net.
Message-ID: <CAOG5GhSBzZ71CuVtUz1Gzcw1qgrahtjEOyGto9dRqGt5X1B_dQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net Monday at 03:30 UTC on Reflector 9C. This
is not affiliated with AMSAT and is just an informal round table type net
discussing all things satellite and more.

From ns3l at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  9 23:24:18 2017
From: ns3l at yahoo.com (Steve Nordahl)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
References: <1653222570.1952118.1512861858324.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1653222570.1952118.1512861858324@mail.yahoo.com>

Looks like my effort to get Robert KD4ZGW in AL back on the birds is paying off. Robert tells me that the Xggcomms CAT Cable I sent him works perfectly on his FT-736R and SatPC32. So give a listen as he should be roaming the birds ASAP..!! Steve NS3L

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec 10 14:52:07 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:52:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Shirokawa Elementary School,
	Seiyo, Japan
Message-ID: <D15E66F70BA24DDC96802A958D6A2E27@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Shirokawa Elementary School, Seiyo, Japan on 11 Dec. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 11:06 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between NA1SS and 8J5SS. The contact should be audible over Japan and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

On April 1st 2016, four local elementary schools merged to become Seiyo City Shirokawa Elementary School. Due to a low birthrate and an aging population, the number of children is declining. For these children, our aim is to prepare an even better educational environment. 

There are 98 students enrolled at the school.The school is on a slightly elevated hill.

 

To commemorate the opening of our school and new beginnings, we will carry out the ?gShirokawa Elementary School ARISS School Contact Project.?h There is no school radio club.

 

This project will give students the chance to dream and romanticize about space through the school contact. We hope for our children to learn in detail about the earth and space, while giving them a sense of pride and joy at being born and raised in our hometown. 

 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

 

1. What is the difference between life in space and life on Earth?

2. Is Earth beautiful from space?

3. Do you feel scared in space?

4. When you come back to Earth, what do you want to do first?

5. What exams did you take to become an astronaut?

6. What do you like best about being an astronaut?

7. What star do you like the best?

8. What is the temperature in space?

9. Do you have morning, noon and night on the ISS?

10. Does the Earth really look blue from space?

11. How did you feel while traveling in the rocket?

12. Why did you want to be an astronaut?

13. Which country's time zone is used in space?

14. How long does it take to get from Earth to the ISS?

15. Do you grow plants or rear animals on the ISS?

16. Have you ever worked on the outside of the ISS? What did you do?

17. If there is a problem with the ISS, what do you do?

18. Who is the astronaut you respect the most?

19. How do you feel in the weightlessness of space?

20. What mission are you most proud of?

21. Can you see a solar eclipse or a full moon from the ISS?

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

 1. Antietam Elementary School, Woodbridge, VA, direct  via KM4TAY

     The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS

     The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP

     Contact is a go for: Mon 2017-12-11 18:30 UTC

 

 2. Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San  Sebasti?n, Spain, direct via EG2SMA 

     The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be OR4ISS 

     The scheduled astronaut is Joe Acaba KE5DAR

     Contact is a go  for: Tue 2017-12-12 13:01 UTC

 

 

About ARISS: 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec 10 15:12:49 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:12:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Antietam Elementary School,
	Woodbridge, VA
Message-ID: <00B485D423744611801778EEFC6FE8DF@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Antietam Elementary School, Woodbridge, VA on 11 Dec. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 18:30 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between NA1SS and KM4TAY. The contact should be audible over the state of Viginia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

We are the Mustangs of Antietam Elementary school. We are a public school located in Prince William County, Virginia, just south of Washington, DC. We are a newly recognized IB-PYP school with 670 students from PK-5th grade. We have 30 classrooms and 60 staff members. Our mission is to encourage our diverse learners to be cooperative, courageous, open-minded and reflective thinkers through a standards-based, world class education focused on academic excellence. During their school experiences, Antietam students engage in learning activities which foster collaboration among peers, families and faculty; cultivate a mindset of inquiry at an international level; and, inspire service in their local and global community. We have many clubs here at our school which our students enjoy. Among them is our ham radio club called Ham-tietam with about 30 student members. We are an active and creative school with many students excited about our contact with the International Space Station. 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

 

1. What time zone are you in when you are in space, or do you just have to 

   keep switching the clock every time you enter a different time zone?

2. Has the ISS ever been hit by an asteroid?

3. What's your favorite part of being in space?

4. Who or what inspired you to go into space?

5. Do you ever get tired of the food you have to eat in space?

6. What kind of games or things do you do in space besides exercise that keep 

   you occupied?

7. When you take off from the Earth, how high do you have to be for the 

   boosters to fall off?

8. What is it like when you are first in space and when you finally get back 

   to Earth?

9. How can you get different types of communication in space? Do satellites 

   go around the whole Earth?

10. Do you get tired of sleeping on the wall?

11. How long did it take you to get to space?

12. How long did it take to build the ISS?

13. Can you see snow from space?

14. What do you like to do best with no gravity?

15. How many miles does the space station travel in a day?

16. Where do you keep your food, how do you keep It cold, and does it float 

    everywhere?

17. How many years can you be an astronaut?

18. Do you get to see the sun rise and set?

19. How do you know when it's day time or night time?

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

1.  Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San  Sebasti?n, Spain, direct via EG2SMA 

     The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be OR4ISS 

     The scheduled astronaut is Joe Acaba KE5DAR

     Contact is a go  for: Tue 2017-12-12 13:01 UTC

 

 

 

About ARISS: 

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From kd4zgw at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 17:54:33 2017
From: kd4zgw at gmail.com (KD4ZGW)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:54:33 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Yaesu FT-736r
In-Reply-To: <1653222570.1952118.1512861858324@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1653222570.1952118.1512861858324.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1653222570.1952118.1512861858324@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <66581dab-8fb4-9a58-7290-3d732ae1701c@gmail.com>

Special thanks to Steve NS3L, I was able to listen to AO-73 for a short 
period of time (You were right, Steve, about the "drifting" on AO-73) 
and was able to change the frequencies. This leads me to my next question:

All I am operating on is a 2 Meter / 70 CM ground plane (Which does not 
do great at all except at low elevation.). Anyway, I still have my 
Moxon's that I built when I was doing rover. They did alright, but 
still, when the sat got to a certain elevation; I could not hear 
anything.? Here is the million dollar question: Will a "turnstile" 
antenna for the sat's work better than the Moxon's?




On 12/9/2017 5:24 PM, Steve Nordahl via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Looks like my effort to get Robert KD4ZGW in AL back on the birds is paying off. Robert tells me that the Xggcomms CAT Cable I sent him works perfectly on his FT-736R and SatPC32. So give a listen as he should be roaming the birds ASAP..!! Steve NS3L
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Dec 10 18:05:39 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:05:39 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon,

During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).

Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
please!

This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
called me).

I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.

73,

Paul, N8HM

From zryder94 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 18:24:34 2017
From: zryder94 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:24:34 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGD5MUFbHgUX5Dm8Nc1_Ep22zwHuXAwxFzxgx6jVLDSLjKhooQ@mail.gmail.com>

I couldn?t have said it better myself, Paul. The behavior I have witnessed
on AO-91 lately is about as far from examples of good operating practice as
I can imagine. We can all do better.
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:06 PM Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
> but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
> was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
> that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).
>
> Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
> other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
> day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
> QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
> on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
> low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
> situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
> on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
> are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
> seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
> out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
> are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
> please!
>
> This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
> aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
> before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
> FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
> call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
> out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
> called me).
>
> I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
> behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
> Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
> engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
> simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
> amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
> they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
> good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From k9jkm at comcast.net  Sun Dec 10 18:35:47 2017
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:35:47 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201d371e5$b2dfb090$189f11b0$@net>

> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91, 
> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are 
> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.

I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those
fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for 20
years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed
with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed
to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on the
next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
ago.

Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of
that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org



From pa3weg at amsat.org  Sun Dec 10 19:59:59 2017
From: pa3weg at amsat.org (wouter weggelaar)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:59:59 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 (AO-73) mode switch
In-Reply-To: <CAKXf1rF-m4YCLU48GoW4dgdL6hae7bkUXzJk=4Tmqz-hvjY8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKXf1rF-m4YCLU48GoW4dgdL6hae7bkUXzJk=4Tmqz-hvjY8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKXf1rG9rwoSchND60WC9Pdr+xhajFid1KJdKMx_nOuWhwVePA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

AO-73 / FUNcube-1 is now in autonomous mode with low power telemetry
and the transponder on in eclipse, and high power telemetry in
sunlight.
The next switch is expected coming Friday PM.

73s Wouter PA3WEG and the FUNcube team.

From aa5uk at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 10 21:06:55 2017
From: aa5uk at yahoo.com (Adrian Engele)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:06:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1174188048.1980319.1512940015505@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul,
Well stated! Unfortunately that is often the state of affairs on the FM satellites, but not always.? I believe we need a combination of community mentoring the new ops and perhaps reminding the more experienced ops to back off and let newer ops get the contact when there are rare grid rover operations in effect.?? I agree the repeated contacts by fixed stations is frankly getting out of hand. What is benefit?? When a pass is dead late at night, have at it; when rovers are in the field lets show some situational awareness of letting others get that grid. 

Unfortunately I have experienced this time and again over the many vacations from Cayman and other locations on the FM satellites. Between the South American taxis, illegal cordless phones,? the keyer uppers/whistlers and the regulars working each other over and over again, it just makes you think, why do I even bother to give out a grid that many operators with modest stations really need when you can't even get into the satellite. That is one of the major reasons I hardly bothered to operate on FM when I last operated from EK99 and FK09 from Grand Cayman and Little Cayman in June. I only operated on one SO-50 pass when I was briefly in FK09. On a bright note, the passes on the linear satellites were quick, professional and courteous. They were actually enjoyable passes despite the horrible mosquito infestation this year.? It was still worth it. I fully understand a linear setup is not in the budget for many operators.

I have a big dilemma,? I plan on going back end of February for two weeks to GC and LC and with AO-91 now live,? there will surely be a demand for EK99 from FM only operators.? So the big question, should I even bother taking satellite gear with me as I am already taking my new IC-7300 with me to work HF?? Is it worth going through the aggravation of another lid-fest from a DX grid?? I have even given thought of only taking my newly acquired TH-D74 instead of dragging 2 x FT-817's and only working some ISS passes on APRS. I don't think anybody has done that before from ZF. I know of some local ops that periodically get on the FM satellites. 

I am open to hearing thoughts from the AMSAT Community's , trying to find a good reason why I should even bother this time around. Ultimately my vacation and relaxation comes first. 

73, Adrian AA5UK -? ZF2AE


 

    On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 12:07:47 PM CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:  
 
 Good afternoon,

During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).

Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
please!

This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
called me).

I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.

73,

Paul, N8HM
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From hamdan at ix.netcom.com  Sun Dec 10 21:27:30 2017
From: hamdan at ix.netcom.com (Bernie and Cheryl)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:27:30 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <001201d371e5$b2dfb090$189f11b0$@net>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201d371e5$b2dfb090$189f11b0$@net>
Message-ID: <5f4a29e9-8c5e-0a12-0d70-66a1390831f2@ix.netcom.com>

Dear Folks:

I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".? 
Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating that 
people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
posters).? I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in question 
give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.

The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my 
knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
on the FM satellites.? I just looked at the website and there is a 
section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
on there like that.? The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
nothing like that either.? Unless the control operators of the satellite 
(e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all 
comers.

Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
people.? That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.

His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
steps while preparing for the pass.? I have to be honest and say I'm not 
a big social media person.? I only opened up a Facebook page last year, 
and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.? Other than 
checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for 
a pass.? I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate 
on the birds.? Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that 
there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the 
case.? All of us are coming within the footprint of the bird at 
different times, and so the newest person in the footprint won't always 
know what's happening at that moment.

I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt 
the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very 
quickly into a war between two classes of operators.? And then, given 
the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it 
would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a 
pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group.? Until 
something like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and 
we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. 
I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
the internet.

I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".? I 
think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.

Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
once).? I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid 
squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup 
for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of 
people.? However, I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was 
on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I was when I made my 
first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have been if someone called 
me out in a public forum because I did something wrong that I didn't 
know was wrong.

All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
someone is acting in bad faith.? I love this hobby and my heart aches at 
some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter 
repeaters. ? I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite 
community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.

See you all on the birds.? 73 de Bernie, KF0QS


On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
>> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
>> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are
>> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
> I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
> particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those
> fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
> receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for 20
> years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed
> with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed
> to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on the
> next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
> greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
> ago.
>
> Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of
> that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
>
> --
> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
> k9jkm at amsat.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From wageners at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 21:41:47 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:41:47 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <5f4a29e9-8c5e-0a12-0d70-66a1390831f2@ix.netcom.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201d371e5$b2dfb090$189f11b0$@net>
	<5f4a29e9-8c5e-0a12-0d70-66a1390831f2@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHBEzTdC81vfGr0-sRqDFwNAxF3HLk5g5zzMFj+5d3amQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Bernie,

I very much appreciated your post and "cooling" things down.

Well done,

Stefan, VE4NSA

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan at ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

> Dear Folks:
>
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that when
> there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back off of
> the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".  Neither do I
> have a problem with good operating practice dictating that people not hog
> the bird (as has been described by Paul and other posters).  I do have a
> problem with public shaming, especially if not preceded with a congenial
> email suggesting that the operator in question give people a chance. Most
> folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.
>
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur on
> the FM satellites.  I just looked at the website and there is a section
> called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything on there
> like that.  The section on "Communications Satellites" has nothing like
> that either.  Unless the control operators of the satellite (e.g., AO-91)
> made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all comers.
>
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of
> people.  That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, and
> I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed on
> satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve their
> operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, i.e., a
> tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
>
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other
> steps while preparing for the pass.  I have to be honest and say I'm not a
> big social media person.  I only opened up a Facebook page last year, and
> don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.  Other than
> checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for a
> pass.  I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate on the
> birds.  Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that there's a rare
> grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the case.  All of us
> are coming within the footprint of the bird at different times, and so the
> newest person in the footprint won't always know what's happening at that
> moment.
>
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt
> the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very
> quickly into a war between two classes of operators.  And then, given the
> nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it would
> be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a pass),
> short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group.  Until something
> like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and we're always
> going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. I'd just hate to
> see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on the internet.
>
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".  I
> think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
>
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly
> once).  I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their opportunity
> to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid squares, but
> recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup for those birds
> requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of people.  However,
> I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994)
> and I remember how excited I was when I made my first QSO's, and know how
> devastated I would have been if someone called me out in a public forum
> because I did something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
>
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that someone
> is acting in bad faith.  I love this hobby and my heart aches at some of
> the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter repeaters.
> I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite community, which by and
> large, seems to be pretty professional.
>
> See you all on the birds.  73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>
>
>
> On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
>
>> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
>>> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are
>>> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
>>>
>> I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
>> particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those
>> fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
>> receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for
>> 20
>> years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed
>> with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed
>> to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on
>> the
>> next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
>> greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
>> ago.
>>
>> Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of
>> that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
>>
>> --
>> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
>> k9jkm at amsat.org
>>
>>
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From vlfiscus at mcn.net  Sun Dec 10 21:58:49 2017
From: vlfiscus at mcn.net (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:58:49 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <CAKu8kHBEzTdC81vfGr0-sRqDFwNAxF3HLk5g5zzMFj+5d3amQQ@mail.g
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Funny,
With years of continuous building of single channel
satellites, I would have thought everyone would have
gotten used to it by now.

 >ducking<

KB7ADL


From rsieloff at icloud.com  Sun Dec 10 20:59:36 2017
From: rsieloff at icloud.com (Ron sieloff)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:59:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
Message-ID: <76185A97-3E77-41D7-80F5-FFA39A55894C@icloud.com>

I haven?t been on the birds in a week or so, so I know I haven?t been causing grief.  Thank goodness.

I am new to satellites.  I thought your email was very informative and educational.  As a newbie, I have been just happy successfully copying a rapid fire call sign in my head and being a newbie, not paying attention to the grids (as frankly I need most of them anyway).   Your note will help me think about the grids more and give an ear to the rare ones.  Only running 5w and normally just getting trampled on by the higher power guys.  Have also noted a few that do hog the satellite by ending a QSO with a new QC and repeating it over and over during the pass.  They dont even give others the chance to call them.  I do agree we could do more to share the birds a bit better than we do.

Thanks again and best wishes for Christmas

Ron
NU8N

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 22:11:43 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:11:43 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <5f4a29e9-8c5e-0a12-0d70-66a1390831f2@ix.netcom.com>
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Good thoughts on the topic Bernie. 

Myself, I don't advocate public calling out and shaming. In fact I don't even recall the callsigns of the AO-51 operators causing difficulties because I don't recall that ever being exposed. It was just the general discussion among the group of the situation which led to operator changes for the better.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie and
> Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating that
> people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other
> posters).  I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in question
> give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur
> on the FM satellites.  I just looked at the website and there is a
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything
> on there like that.  The section on "Communications Satellites" has
> nothing like that either.  Unless the control operators of the satellite
> (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all
> comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of
> people.  That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them,
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed,
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other
> steps while preparing for the pass.  I have to be honest and say I'm not
> a big social media person.  I only opened up a Facebook page last year,
> and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.  Other than
> checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for
> a pass.  I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate
> on the birds.  Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that
> there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the
> case.  All of us are coming within the footprint of the bird at
> different times, and so the newest person in the footprint won't always
> know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt
> the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very
> quickly into a war between two classes of operators.  And then, given
> the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it
> would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a
> pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group.  Until
> something like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and
> we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".  I
> think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly
> once).  I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid
> squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup
> for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of
> people.  However, I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was
> on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I was when I made my
> first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have been if someone called
> me out in a public forum because I did something wrong that I didn't
> know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that
> someone is acting in bad faith.  I love this hobby and my heart aches at
> some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters.   I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds.  73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
> >> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
> >> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are
> >> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
> > I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
> > particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were
> those
> > fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
> > receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for
> 20
> > years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was
> followed
> > with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog
> needed
> > to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on
> the
> > next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
> > greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
> > ago.
> >
> > Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much
> of
> > that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
> >
> > --
> > 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
> > k9jkm at amsat.org
> >
> >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From vk4jrc at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 22:05:45 2017
From: vk4jrc at gmail.com (Jack Chomley)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:05:45 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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Reminds me of Packet Wars, in the last millennium......

73,

Jack VK4JRC

Club.    www.cqara.org.au




> On 11 Dec 2017, at 04:24, Mike Thompson <zryder94 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I couldn?t have said it better myself, Paul. The behavior I have witnessed
> on AO-91 lately is about as far from examples of good operating practice as
> I can imagine. We can all do better.
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:06 PM Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
>> but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
>> was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
>> that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).
>> 
>> Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
>> other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
>> day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
>> QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
>> on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
>> low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
>> situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
>> on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
>> are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
>> seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
>> out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
>> are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
>> please!
>> 
>> This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
>> aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
>> before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
>> FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
>> call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
>> out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
>> called me).
>> 
>> I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
>> behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
>> Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
>> engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
>> simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
>> amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
>> they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
>> good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Paul, N8HM
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From diehl.mike.a at gmail.com  Sun Dec 10 22:16:02 2017
From: diehl.mike.a at gmail.com (Mike Diehl)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:16:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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I agree. Let?s make sats as complex as possible to get into. That way we can complain about real problems like lack of new blood instead. 

73,
W8LID

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:58, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL <vlfiscus at mcn.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Funny,
> With years of continuous building of single channel
> satellites, I would have thought everyone would have
> gotten used to it by now.
> 
> >ducking<
> 
> KB7ADL
> 
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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Sun Dec 10 22:42:35 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:42:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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I share your sentiment last about, and have (I think) done as much as anyone could to reach out to new sat ops, bringing new guys to this aspect of the hobby. But, they aren?t the ones who have been causing such headaches on AO-91 (and the other FM birds). The ones that Paul and others have talked about ?calling out? are ops who have been around for a long time, many who have made thousands and thousands of sat QSOs. Sadly, they are accomplishing the opposite of what I and others have been trying to do as far as bringing new guys to the sats.. I know at least one newer op who I?ve worked with, who pretty much refuses to work FM sats because he doesn?t want to throw his callsign out into the fray caused by inconsiderate operators.

In all but a few cases, the new ops I?ve worked with have been enthusiast, eager to learn and willing to listen to advice from people who are skilled at satellite operating. However, the more experienced ops that have been causing so much trouble don?t do any of those things, even after numerous polite emails etc. They will not make basic improvements to their station, and don?t even exhibit the most basic good practice that applies to ANY amateur operating - like listening before transmitting.

Social media isn?t required for people to use common sense while operating. Just be polite, don?t tie up a pass. I can remember my first few SO-50 passes getting started on sats last year. I worked N6UA who was somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming I think. I called him - because I had listened to the pass (without transmitting) for a few minutes, and noticed a lot of people calling him. I figured that was a good sign he was someone I wanted to work even though I had no idea who or where he was! Contrast that to certain stations in the Northeast US who, rather than listening first and allowing the guy who is in a rare location make contacts, instead call literally every person they hear on the pass - including if the person they call was actually trying to call someone else!

Just some thoughts from a guy who was listening to the pass in question :-)

73,
- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:27, Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".  Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other posters).  I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur on the FM satellites.  I just looked at the website and there is a section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything on there like that.  The section on "Communications Satellites" has nothing like that either.  Unless the control operators of the satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of people.  That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other steps while preparing for the pass.  I have to be honest and say I'm not a big social media person.  I only opened up a Facebook page last year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.  Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for a pass.  I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate on the birds.  Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the case.  All of us are coming within the footprint of the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very quickly into a war between two classes of operators.  And then, given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group.  Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".  I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly once).  I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of people.  However, I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that someone is acting in bad faith.  I love this hobby and my heart aches at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter repeaters.   I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds.  73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
>>> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
>>> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are
>>> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
>> I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
>> particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those
>> fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
>> receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for 20
>> years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed
>> with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed
>> to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on the
>> next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
>> greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
>> ago.
>> 
>> Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of
>> that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
>> 
>> --
>> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
>> k9jkm at amsat.org
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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> 
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From devin at thecabal.org  Sun Dec 10 21:55:52 2017
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:55:52 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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I've not yet gotten on the birds, so I am only an interested observer at this point, but it seemed to me the original complaint (and reference to public shaming) was regarding those rare people who treat the FM birds as their own personal fiefdom on a ongoing basis.

I've not been a ham for a long time, but I know enough to know that sort of behavior is not accidental. It is the result of a willful choice to remain ignorant of good operational practice, or in knowing it, to not bother to use it.

Newbies like me will make our mistakes. But most of us want to learn from them and gladly accept feedback. We WANT to see things from another perspective.

Observing (and occasionally poking our noses out to participate) in these discussions is very educational, but occasionally frustrating because it seems like there is a well-established consensus on how to share these resources within the community, but occasionally we talk past each other on deciding how to approach those who aren't playing as nicely.

Finally, one thought -- just as the DX world has trackers, has anyone at AMSAT or anywhere else thought of putting  up a website specifically for satellite operators to notify others if they plan to activate a specific grid or perform some other non-standard activity? Such a website could be tied in with various social media channels to watch for specific hashtags/keywords (so folks already posting have to make one tiny change) and collate the information on the website, both in human-readable and machine readable feeds (so, for example, a pass predictor app could consume that feed and tell you "hey, WA7DLG is going to activate grid XXYZ on this next pass")? Such a setup would take a little bit of work to put together, but with some community user education, it could become a valuable resource *in addition* to the existing methods folks are using. Knowledge is one of the big pieces in combatting the "I didn't know" game and making it as easy to get to, in as many methods as possible, makes it more likely such a resource would be used.

I am certainly willing to volunteer time and resources to host and help develop such a resource if anyone else is interested.

--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin at thecabal.org
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie and Cheryl
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 1:28 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites

Dear Folks:

I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX". Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other posters).? I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.

The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur on the FM satellites.? I just looked at the website and there is a section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything on there like that.? The section on "Communications Satellites" has nothing like that either.? Unless the control operators of the satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all comers.

Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of people.? That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.

His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other steps while preparing for the pass.? I have to be honest and say I'm not a big social media person.? I only opened up a Facebook page last year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.? Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for a pass.? I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate on the birds.? Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the case.? All of us are coming within the footprint of the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint won't always know what's happening at that moment.

I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very quickly into a war between two classes of operators.? And then, given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group.? Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. 
I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on the internet.

I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".? I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.

Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly once).? I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of people.? However, I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.

All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that someone is acting in bad faith.? I love this hobby and my heart aches at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter repeaters. ? I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.

See you all on the birds.? 73 de Bernie, KF0QS


On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
>> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91, 
>> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are 
>> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
> I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of 
> particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were 
> those fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture 
> the AO-51 receiver then greet each other every morning like they 
> hadn't spoken for 20 years. They would then give each other a weather 
> report. This was followed with a status of breakfast report. We often 
> found out someone's dog needed to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 
> fellows would repeat this again on the next pass. They would begin 
> with the missing-person from 20 years ago greetings ... even though 
> they had already greeted each other 90 minutes ago.
>
> Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while 
> much of that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
>
> --
> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
> k9jkm at amsat.org
>
>
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From kk5do at arrl.net  Sun Dec 10 23:28:28 2017
From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:28:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Awards Update
Message-ID: <77b9eb78-2b8d-0f4e-5ec2-60b8bcd2618d@arrl.net>

We have a good list of recipients this time for the AMSAT Awards. This 
will also be the last update for 2017. With the new satellites this year 
and a crop of new ones coming in 2018 there will be a lot of operating 
going on.


AMSAT Satellite Communicators Award for making their first satellite QSO
Perikles Monioudis, HB9IQB
Tae-Ryon Kim, DS5DNO
Lawrence Witker, KE8BHX
Adam Zabrowski, W8OOO
Robert Twigg, KE8GDD
Dan Howard, VA3MA

------

AMSAT Communications Achievement Award
Ed Poccia, KC2LM, #579

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AMSAT Sexagesimal Award
Adrian Liggins, VA3NNA, $180
Mac Cody, AE5PH, #181

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AMSAT Century Club Award
George Carr, WA5KBH, #53

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AMSAT Robert W. Barbee Jr., W4AMI Award
Carlo Morandi, IK4JQQ, #93
Mac Cody, AE5PH, #94

------

73...bruce


To see all the awards visit http://www.amsat.org or
http://www.amsatnet.com/awards.html


Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards


ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0200z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes


From dave at druidnetworks.com  Sun Dec 10 23:46:22 2017
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:46:22 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <A424B265-A833-43CF-BD3D-A4C5D64ED9E8@mrstevens.net>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
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I want to further elaborate on Matt's point he just made. I'm very likely
the number one suspect when talk of 'calling out' people comes up - and I
fully admit to it as well. I am also quite often accused of 'noob bashing'
for the comments I've made on the BB and the different social media
platforms. With very few notable exceptions, the people I've called out
have been hams longer than I have been alive, let alone operating on
satellites. I've only had my ticket for 3 1/2 years, so by most accounts
I'm just as 'noob' as the folks that think they're under perceived attack
when the other 'class' of operators make comments about bad operating
etiquette.

So, let me just say this - as plainly as I can for everyone to see:  New
operators are not the problem. A clear majority of the rovers are 'newer'
operators, both in AMSAT and in Ham in general. I was given my 488th CONUS
grid by a guy who is FM only, had been operating a few months, and was
working me from a rare grid *on an anniversary trip* with his wife. That is
the kind of dedication ONLY a die hard new guy will have. The new operators
are the ones that flock to social media for the latest gear reviews and
camaraderie with other ops. They're the ones asking about whether an arrow
or an elk is best, and what kind of radios to buy. They're the ones pushing
the vendors to build new stuff, and keeping the used market alive for
Satellite rigs. And they're the ones that are *really* active on the birds.
I would dare say the majority of the ops that I work on a regular basis
have been doing sats for less time than me, and that's great. I love it -
so much new blood is constantly changing things every day and that keeps it
exciting. New operators rock. I sincerely mean that.

On the flip side, you have a class of operator that "has been doing this
since sputnik" and thinks the current fleet of LEO's needs an AO-13 class
array to be successful. This class of op might also run 100W into an Omni,
cause that's the only way they can 'hear' their owns beeps coming down off
of AO-7, which they might have watched get launched, and will tell you
about when you send them an email asking why they're running so much
power.  This class of op might also be amazed that they can actually hear
the newly launched AO-91 using their radio shack rg174 coax fed eggbeater,
and is excited to talk to the same neighbor day after day, because it's the
first bird since AO-51 they can brute force their way into with the power
that they're obligated to run since they've been a ham for 20 years. I have
yet to run into a new ham that has caused AO-7 to reset with an arrow and a
pair of Baofengs, yet I can name 5 old hams right off the top of my head
that do it pretty much consistently, in every year since I've been
operating. This kind of op is the problem. And I will not hesitate to
(continue) to call these kinds of bad apples out for their deliberate
interference with this hobby.

-Dave, KG5CCI

From daron at wilson.org  Sun Dec 10 23:48:14 2017
From: daron at wilson.org (Daron Wilson)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:48:14 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <5a2db120.82956b0a.34bd6.2f71@mx.google.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>	<001201d371e5$b2dfb090$189f11b0$@net>	<5f4a29e9-8c5e-0a12-0d70-66a1390831f2@ix.netcom.com>
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Thanks Bernie, 

I think you hit most of the highpoints.  All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times.  However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.

Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates.  Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further.  Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media.  Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.

I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful.  The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in. 

There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass.  I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in.  And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.

For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.

73
Daron N7HQR CN74

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie 
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating 
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
> posters).  I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in 
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
> on the FM satellites.  I just looked at the website and there is a 
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
> on there like that.  The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
> nothing like that either.  Unless the control operators of the 
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is 
> open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
> people.  That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
> steps while preparing for the pass.  I have to be honest and say I'm 
> not a big social media person.  I only opened up a Facebook page last 
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.  
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much 
> preparation for a pass.  I don't think that disqualifies me from being 
> able to operate on the birds.  Like I said above, I will back off if 
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always 
> know that's the case.  All of us are coming within the footprint of 
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint 
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I 
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating 
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators.  And then, 
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use 
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the 
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select 
> group.  Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared 
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".  
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
> once).  I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out 
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that 
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be 
> beyond a lot of people.  However, I've been around a while (my first 
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I 
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have 
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did 
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
> someone is acting in bad faith.  I love this hobby and my heart aches 
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters.   I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds.  73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 


From scott23192 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 00:22:20 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:22:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] High Speed Telemetry, SDR#, and RTS/SDR
In-Reply-To: <5a1732aa.152b370a.b98e1.4115@mx.google.com>
References: <5a1732aa.152b370a.b98e1.4115@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZ4NGfXDy9MJcJzL5=p=xAeeKFxRd-hDPOKSgq_HbJLKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Fred!

At https://www.amsat.org/getting-ready-for-radfxsat-fox-1b/ there's a
comment that indicates that all the telemetry from AO-91 will be of the
"low speed" variety:

------
Satellite and experiment telemetry will be downlinked via the ?DUV?
subaudible telemetry stream
------

... also, on the telemetry page (
http://www.amsat.org/tlm/leaderboard.php?id=2&db=FOXDB), as of now anyway,
no 9k6 packets have been received by anyone.

73!

-Scott,  K4KDR

==============================

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Fred Castello <fredcastello at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is anyone using this particular combination with the Fox 1 Telemetry
> Analysis Tool?  Today on one of my good passes with AO-91 I believe it was
> transmitting high speed telemetry and it seemed no matter what combination
> I used, I could not get the tool to decode the high speed telemetry.  I
> have no problem with the low speed Data Under Voice with this combination.
> I have always assumed that the high speed telemetry is on the same
> frequency as voice and low speed DUV.  I would appreciate any thoughts
> anyone has as usual.
> Best Regards,
> Fred ? KF4FC

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 01:19:29 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:19:29 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkNMqMqgh1TzhR127sL6LQnG9bFE+7b5JfnWguNL0ypZ0A@mail.gmail.com>

The video feed is active right now but there's no picture yet.  It appears
that lift-off is scheduled for 0200 UTC today.

Go Electron!  Go Rocket Lab!

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Mon Dec 11 01:23:15 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:23:15 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <A424B265-A833-43CF-BD3D-A4C5D64ED9E8@mrstevens.net>
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I should have maybe added one other thing, just to clarify that you don?t have to be plugged into social media or even be sitting in front of a computer to operate courteously..

With the exception of I think 8 QSOs while visiting the shack of one of the guys who helped get me started on sats, and using his well-equipped automated station - all of my ~1900 satellite qsos since September 2016 were made standing outside in my yard or along the side of the road with an arrow antenna in my hand and manually tuning an HT, FT-817, or icom 821. I use my phone to tell me when passes are coming up and that?s it. And I know many, many other extremely active operators that do the same thing.

So you don?t really have to do anything other than LISTEN in order to play along nicely with other people on the birds!

73, and here?s to good operators!

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 17:42, Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net> wrote:
> 
> I share your sentiment last about, and have (I think) done as much as anyone could to reach out to new sat ops, bringing new guys to this aspect of the hobby. But, they aren?t the ones who have been causing such headaches on AO-91 (and the other FM birds). The ones that Paul and others have talked about ?calling out? are ops who have been around for a long time, many who have made thousands and thousands of sat QSOs. Sadly, they are accomplishing the opposite of what I and others have been trying to do as far as bringing new guys to the sats.. I know at least one newer op who I?ve worked with, who pretty much refuses to work FM sats because he doesn?t want to throw his callsign out into the fray caused by inconsiderate operators.
> 
> In all but a few cases, the new ops I?ve worked with have been enthusiast, eager to learn and willing to listen to advice from people who are skilled at satellite operating. However, the more experienced ops that have been causing so much trouble don?t do any of those things, even after numerous polite emails etc. They will not make basic improvements to their station, and don?t even exhibit the most basic good practice that applies to ANY amateur operating - like listening before transmitting.
> 
> Social media isn?t required for people to use common sense while operating. Just be polite, don?t tie up a pass. I can remember my first few SO-50 passes getting started on sats last year. I worked N6UA who was somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming I think. I called him - because I had listened to the pass (without transmitting) for a few minutes, and noticed a lot of people calling him. I figured that was a good sign he was someone I wanted to work even though I had no idea who or where he was! Contrast that to certain stations in the Northeast US who, rather than listening first and allowing the guy who is in a rare location make contacts, instead call literally every person they hear on the pass - including if the person they call was actually trying to call someone else!
> 
> Just some thoughts from a guy who was listening to the pass in question :-)
> 
> 73,
> - Matthew nj4y
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2017, at 16:27, Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Folks:
>> 
>> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".  Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other posters).  I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.
>> 
>> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur on the FM satellites.  I just looked at the website and there is a section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything on there like that.  The section on "Communications Satellites" has nothing like that either.  Unless the control operators of the satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all comers.
>> 
>> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of people.  That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
>> 
>> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other steps while preparing for the pass.  I have to be honest and say I'm not a big social media person.  I only opened up a Facebook page last year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter.  Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for a pass.  I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate on the birds.  Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the case.  All of us are coming within the footprint of the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint won't always know what's happening at that moment.
>> 
>> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very quickly into a war between two classes of operators.  And then, given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group.  Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on the internet.
>> 
>> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West".  I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly once).  I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of people.  However, I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
>> 
>> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that someone is acting in bad faith.  I love this hobby and my heart aches at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter repeaters.   I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
>> 
>> See you all on the birds.  73 de Bernie, KF0QS
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
>>>> There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
>>>> especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are
>>>> attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
>>> I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of
>>> particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those
>>> fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51
>>> receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for 20
>>> years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed
>>> with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed
>>> to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on the
>>> next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago
>>> greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes
>>> ago.
>>> 
>>> Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of
>>> that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
>>> k9jkm at amsat.org
>>> 
>>> 
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Mon Dec 11 01:51:40 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:51:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR0101MB31205615FC3825DA7482B31DCA360@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201d371e5$b2dfb090$189f11b0$@net>
	<5f4a29e9-8c5e-0a12-0d70-66a1390831f2@ix.netcom.com>
	<MWHPR0101MB31205615FC3825DA7482B31DCA360@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <650495487.2405991.1512957100699@mail.yahoo.com>

Devin,

Many operators that plan roving activity to rare/semi-rare Grids
post their plans on the AMSAT-BB and/or AMSAT on Twitter
and/or the STARCOM-BB. This as worked well for the dedicated
SAT Gridders over the past several years.

Seasoned SAT Ops are aware of these postings and lay in wait for
the announced Rovers to show up and work them. On Linear SATs,
many of the Rovers will post the downlink freq they will be listening
to (approximately) and it will usually be well away from the regular
casual QSO freqs. The Gridders easily work the Rovers and the folks
looking for regular conversation all share the bandpass with relatively
little conflict.

Doing Rover Operations on the FM SATs can be somewhat chaotic due
to their being only one freq available. In spite of posting plans for going
to rare Grids, there will be operators that aren't interested in Gridding
and merely want to have a QSO via Satellite with anyone anywhere just
for the thrill of it. On top of that, there will be new/inexperienced folks
that are trying SATs but have great difficulty hearing their downlink and
keep keying up or speaking and not aware they are QRMing others. The
experienced Rovers are used to this and have learned to deal with it and
still make QSOs while being careful to utter their expletives while unkeyed.

Given time, the new folks will figure things out and things will get better,
but there will continue to be more new folks that follow (hopefully). All
we can do is try to lead by example which is no different than what we
look for in the Real World.

GL & 73,      Bob  K8BL     (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)


________________________________
From: Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org>
To: Bernie and Cheryl <hamdan at ix.netcom.com>; "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites



I've not yet gotten on the birds, so I am only an interested observer at this point, but it seemed to me the original complaint (and reference to public shaming) was regarding those rare people who treat the FM birds as their own personal fiefdom on a ongoing basis.

I've not been a ham for a long time, but I know enough to know that sort of behavior is not accidental. It is the result of a willful choice to remain ignorant of good operational practice, or in knowing it, to not bother to use it.

Newbies like me will make our mistakes. But most of us want to learn from them and gladly accept feedback. We WANT to see things from another perspective.

Observing (and occasionally poking our noses out to participate) in these discussions is very educational, but occasionally frustrating because it seems like there is a well-established consensus on how to share these resources within the community, but occasionally we talk past each other on deciding how to approach those who aren't playing as nicely.

Finally, one thought -- just as the DX world has trackers, has anyone at AMSAT or anywhere else thought of putting  up a website specifically for satellite operators to notify others if they plan to activate a specific grid or perform some other non-standard activity? Such a website could be tied in with various social media channels to watch for specific hashtags/keywords (so folks already posting have to make one tiny change) and collate the information on the website, both in human-readable and machine readable feeds (so, for example, a pass predictor app could consume that feed and tell you "hey, WA7DLG is going to activate grid XXYZ on this next pass")? Such a setup would take a little bit of work to put together, but with some community user education, it could become a valuable resource *in addition* to the existing methods folks are using. Knowledge is one of the big pieces in combatting the "I didn't know" game and making it as easy to get to, in as many methods as possible, makes it more likely such a resource would be used.

I am certainly willing to volunteer time and resources to host and help develop such a resource if anyone else is interested.

--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email: devin at thecabal.org
web: Devin on Earth
cell: +1 425.239.2575

From kd4zgw at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 02:37:14 2017
From: kd4zgw at gmail.com (KD4ZGW)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:37:14 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Moxon vs. Turnstile
Message-ID: <28372a30-853f-7057-ca04-c9c315fc80ad@gmail.com>

What would be the better antenna: moxon or a turnstile?


From ka9p at aol.com  Mon Dec 11 03:05:12 2017
From: ka9p at aol.com (ka9p at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:05:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <015b01d37211$5999d2a0$0ccd77e0$@org>
Message-ID: <16043889249-1b25-32c2e@webjas-vae118.srv.aolmail.net>

I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift - and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds - but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen, and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time, daron at wilson.org writes:

?
 Thanks Bernie, 

I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.

Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.

I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in. 

There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.

For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.

73
Daron N7HQR CN74

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie 
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating 
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in 
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a 
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the 
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is 
> open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm 
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last 
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. 
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much 
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being 
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if 
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always 
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of 
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint 
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I 
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating 
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, 
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use 
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the 
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select 
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared 
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". 
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out 
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that 
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be 
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first 
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I 
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have 
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did 
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches 
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 

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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 03:25:43 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:25:43 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
Message-ID: <1245118EDE8740BBA0A189DE386F1F57@OsbornesPC>



-----Original Message----- 
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:45 PM
To: B J
Cc: amsat-bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

Launch attempt scrubbed for today.
Weather and orbital traffic problems.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab

73,
Terry ZL2BAC

-----Original Message----- 
From: B J
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:19 PM
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Cc: amsat-bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

The video feed is active right now but there's no picture yet.  It appears
that lift-off is scheduled for 0200 UTC today.

Go Electron!  Go Rocket Lab!

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 03:27:14 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:27:14 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
Message-ID: <FC8969570C8F469DBC51F9DADEBC5DC0@OsbornesPC>



-----Original Message----- 
From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Selwyn Cathcart
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

Hi Selwyn,

They shifted the streaming to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx52QKgF_HM&feature=youtu.be
But they have closed the link down (for today?). Launch scrubbed for today.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab

Cheers,
Terry

-----Original Message----- 
From: Selwyn Cathcart
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:09 PM
To: osbornes at paradise.net.nz
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

Hi Terry,

Is the streaming link below correct - not a valid URL at this end??

Ta

Selwyn

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of B J
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 02:52 PM
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

On 12/7/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.

<snip>

Are there any updates?  It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video stream
yet.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Mon Dec 11 03:26:32 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <16043889249-1b25-32c2e@webjas-vae118.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <015b01d37211$5999d2a0$0ccd77e0$@org>
	<16043889249-1b25-32c2e@webjas-vae118.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <1431792473.2470238.1512962792442@mail.yahoo.com>

Please include your Call when posting so we have a clue who you are.
TNX/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL

      From: Scott via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: daron at wilson.org; hamdan at ix.netcom.com; amsat-bb at amsat.org 
 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
   
I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift - and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds - but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen, and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time, daron at wilson.org writes:

?
 Thanks Bernie, 

I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.

Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.

I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in. 

There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.

For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.

73
Daron N7HQR CN74

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie 
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating 
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in 
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a 
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the 
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is 
> open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm 
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last 
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. 
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much 
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being 
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if 
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always 
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of 
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint 
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I 
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating 
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, 
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use 
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the 
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select 
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared 
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". 
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out 
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that 
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be 
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first 
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I 
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have 
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did 
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches 
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 

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From ka9p at aol.com  Mon Dec 11 03:28:46 2017
From: ka9p at aol.com (ka9p at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:28:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <1431792473.2470238.1512962792442@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <160439e23dd-170c-32cfd@webjas-vad159.srv.aolmail.net>

Thanks Bob, no attempt to hide it - it is my email address right at the top.
?
Scott ka9p
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 9:27:28 PM Central Standard Time, k8bl at ameritech.net writes:

?
Please include your Call when posting so we have a clue who you are.
?
TNX/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL



From: Scott via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
To:daron at wilson.org; hamdan at ix.netcom.com; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites


I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift - and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds - but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen, and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time, daron at wilson.org writes:

?
 Thanks Bernie, 

I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.

Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.

I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in. 

There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.

For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.

73
Daron N7HQR CN74

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie 
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating 
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in 
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a 
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the 
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is 
> open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm 
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last 
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. 
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much 
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being 
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if 
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always 
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of 
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint 
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I 
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating 
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, 
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use 
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the 
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select 
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared 
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". 
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out 
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that 
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be 
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first 
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I 
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have 
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did 
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches 
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 

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From aa5pk at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec 11 03:49:04 2017
From: aa5pk at suddenlink.net (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:49:04 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <160439e23dd-170c-32cfd@webjas-vad159.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160439e23dd-170c-32cfd@webjas-vad159.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <7DBFF8FC4F4E4137A979218E720A3A4F@AA5PKPC>

Scott via AMSAT-BB?  Not seeing a call sign.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Scott via AMSAT-BB 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:28 PM 
To: k8bl at ameritech.net ; daron at wilson.org ; hamdan at ix.netcom.com ; amsat-bb at amsat.org 
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites 

Thanks Bob, no attempt to hide it - it is my email address right at the top.

Scott ka9p

In a message dated 12/10/2017 9:27:28 PM Central Standard Time, k8bl at ameritech.net writes:


Please include your Call when posting so we have a clue who you are.

TNX/73,      Bob  K8BL


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From va6bmj at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 04:58:00 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:58:00 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <FC8969570C8F469DBC51F9DADEBC5DC0@OsbornesPC>
References: <FC8969570C8F469DBC51F9DADEBC5DC0@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkNP1=_EvkDsBm=Tott_C=_TVmGJxgJ0=T+Onnt2Cu+Usw@mail.gmail.com>

The latest Twitter feed says that the next launch window opens at 0130 UTC
tomorrow.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG




On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
wandtosborne at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:08 PM
> To: Selwyn Cathcart
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
>
> Hi Selwyn,
>
> They shifted the streaming to:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx52QKgF_HM&feature=youtu.be
> But they have closed the link down (for today?). Launch scrubbed for today.
> See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Selwyn Cathcart
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:09 PM
> To: osbornes at paradise.net.nz
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Is the streaming link below correct - not a valid URL at this end??
>
> Ta
>
> Selwyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of B J
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 02:52 PM
> To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
>
> On 12/7/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>> Hi Launch Watchers,
>>
>> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
>> tomorrow 8th December.
>> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>>
>> Weather looks good so far.
>>
>
> <snip>
>
> Are there any updates?  It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video stream
> yet.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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From osbornes at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec 11 01:45:41 2017
From: osbornes at paradise.net.nz (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:45:41 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkNMqMqgh1TzhR127sL6LQnG9bFE+7b5JfnWguNL0ypZ0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkNMqMqgh1TzhR127sL6LQnG9bFE+7b5JfnWguNL0ypZ0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72E0087808F9425F887DDE4206BEF0C6@OsbornesPC>

Launch attempt scrubbed for today.
Weather and orbital traffic problems.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab

73,
Terry ZL2BAC

-----Original Message----- 
From: B J
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:19 PM
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Cc: amsat-bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

The video feed is active right now but there's no picture yet.  It appears
that lift-off is scheduled for 0200 UTC today.

Go Electron!  Go Rocket Lab!

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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From osbornes at paradise.net.nz  Mon Dec 11 02:08:22 2017
From: osbornes at paradise.net.nz (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:08:22 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <01bf01d3720b$f39cc2a0$dad647e0$@gmail.com>
References: <74A4EF6B9E2B4C02B6EF8F3F32CC3F87@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkOUUGja3oDLkyv7h2QVOtPtXKN=o_NPmoYVaqbdwOsUEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<01bf01d3720b$f39cc2a0$dad647e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E73D1B18F3C435387820AFCD1EC3B2F@OsbornesPC>

Hi Selwyn,

They shifted the streaming to: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx52QKgF_HM&feature=youtu.be
But they have closed the link down (for today?). Launch scrubbed for today.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab

Cheers,
Terry

-----Original Message----- 
From: Selwyn Cathcart
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:09 PM
To: osbornes at paradise.net.nz
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

Hi Terry,

Is the streaming link below correct - not a valid URL at this end??

Ta

Selwyn

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of B J
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 02:52 PM
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Tomorrow

On 12/7/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <osbornes at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Hi Launch Watchers,
>
> Rocket Lab?s second test launch will be streamed from about 01:15 UTC
> tomorrow 8th December.
> You can catch it here: http://www.rocketlab.co.nz/livestream
>
> Weather looks good so far.

<snip>

Are there any updates?  It's now after 0150 UTC and there's no video stream 
yet.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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From k7trkradio at charter.net  Mon Dec 11 05:29:50 2017
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:29:50 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net.
Message-ID: <001601d37241$111f48e0$335ddaa0$@charter.net>

Nice chat tonight....kudos to Endaf

(keep it 'unofficial') 

73, Ted
K7TRK

-----Original Message-----
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Buckley
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 7:53 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net.

The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net Monday at 03:30 UTC on Reflector 9C. This is
not affiliated with AMSAT and is just an informal round table type net
discussing all things satellite and more.
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From rico.van.genugten at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 12:32:22 2017
From: rico.van.genugten at gmail.com (Rico van Genugten)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:32:22 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Moxon vs. Turnstile
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Message-ID: <CAJdc4v7f1er5a8LCQrCPNrmv_kHqLOTR8mW5wJie+Qgf0+O2jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

It depends on the type of turnstile and your application. I'm assuming that
you want to use the antenna in a fixed position pointing upwards, e.g. not
on a rotor. In this case you want the gain in upward direction to be as
_low_ as possible, since this means that you will have more gain at lower
elevations, where you need it most.

A turnstile antenna consisting of crossed dipoles and crossed reflector
elements has maximum gain in upward direction, but the gain and impedance
depend on the distance between radiating and reflecting elements. At about
37 cm or 14,5 inch spacing the impedance is 50 ohm, but the gain is way too
high to use as a non-directional antenna. Increasing the distance means
decreasing the gain, but also increasing the impedance, so you need some
kind of match to get a good swr.

A turnstile antenna consisting of crossed dipoles over a ground screen
gives a better pattern than one that uses reflector elements, but can be
more impractical. The gound screen needs to be fairly large in terms of
wavelengths (about 2 minimum), but if you can mount the antenna on the
ground this might not pose a problem. At a dipole hight of about 70 cm
(27,5 inch) above the ground screen you can get an impedance of about 100
ohms per dipole and a good pattern (yes, I did quite some simulations in my
quest for the ultimate stationary antenna. :)), which with some trickery
can give you a good 50 ohm match when the dipoles are combined, see the
eggbeater design which also shows an impedance of 100 ohm per loop.

A moxon antenna has quite some gain in upward direction and therefore less
gain at lower elevations, therefore I think it is unsuitable for stationary
use unless you are only interested in passes above 50 degrees, which rarely
happen and if so, for only a very short time. It is more suitable to be
mounted at a fixed elevation as a small directional antenna if you have
azimuth control but no elevation control. I have recently built a crossed
moxon mounted at 25 degrees on a simple azimuth-only rotator. Tests
conducted from the yard are promising so far. I'm putting it on the roof
when the weather improves, I will send an update to this list when I have
some results.

Then there is the option of building/buying an eggbeater antenna, but in my
opinion it is bulky, difficult to build and does not offer many advantages
over a turnstile.

I've experimented a lot with stationary antennas, but didn't have a lot of
success so far. The following properties of most stationary antennas are
hard to overcome:
 - Most of the satellites currently active are linearly polarized and
unpredictable in orientation, so a ground-station antenna should be
circularly polarized or have changeable/switchable polarization. Most
stationary antennas are circularly polarized in upward direction, but
horizontally polarized at the horizon, resulting in deep signal fades when
the sat is at low elevations where the signal is lowest to begin with.
 - Intelligibility of a signal depends on the SNR or Signal to Noise Ratio.
Omnidirectional antennas have lower gain and therefore lower signal levels,
but due to the omnidirectionality also have a higher noise floor,
decreasing the SNR even more than gain figures alone would indicate.

That doesn't mean stationary antennas are not useful:
 - On linear sats you don't need the SNR required for FM-sats, so you might
have more luck with those.
 - VHF downlinks are much easier to hear than UHF ones (for this and the
above reason you can forget about SO-50)
 - As an uplink antenna they could be fine, usually hearing the sat is much
more difficult than getting in.
 - FO-29 has circularly polarized antennas and therefore does not give as
much fading with an antenna that is linearly polarized at low elevations
 - AO-85 and AO-91 have pretty strong downlinks, at higher elevations you
will hear them, at lower elevations you might too if you are lucky with
their orientation.
 - Use good quality coax and connectors, preferably the least possible.
Don't use RG-58 for anything over 1 meter (40 inch).

Phew, maybe that is a bit more information than you ask for, good luck
experimenting. :)

Regards,
Rico van Genugten
PA3RVG


On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:37 AM, KD4ZGW <kd4zgw at gmail.com> wrote:

> What would be the better antenna: moxon or a turnstile?
>
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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From royldean at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 12:35:08 2017
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:35:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
Message-ID: <CADGPg2uprC5nR3Yo-jRYYGQA9Xr=Vy+ADEtKxT0J+02XmCZZNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Original email does indeed show call sign.   Not sure why the quoted
message doesn't.

-Roy
K3RLD


> Scott via AMSAT-BB? Not seeing a call sign.

From burns at fisher.cc  Mon Dec 11 13:01:29 2017
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:01:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] High Speed Telemetry, SDR#, and RTS/SDR (Scott)
Message-ID: <CABX7KxXmSD5dNmW3jSHKHByhZJHDvKj+AgR15oB_-o-xG9kJXQ@mail.gmail.com>

All of the FM Foxes have high speed telemetry capability, but it has never
been used on AO-91.   We did turn it on with AO-85 a few times, but that
was because this was the first Fox satellite and we wanted to test it.
AO-91 has no need for it.  Fox-1Cliff and Fox-1D both have VGA-quality
cameras aboard, and high speed mode will be used to downlink pictures.

In other words, I don't know what you heard, but it was not high speed
data.  Good reason it did not decode :-)
73,
Burns W2BFJ

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Fred Castello <fredcastello at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is anyone using this particular combination with the Fox 1 Telemetry
> Analysis Tool?  Today on one of my good passes with AO-91 I believe it was
> transmitting high speed telemetry and it seemed no matter what combination
> I used, I could not get the tool to decode the high speed telemetry.  I
> have no problem with the low speed Data Under Voice with this combination.
> I have always assumed that the high speed telemetry is on the same
> frequency as voice and low speed DUV.  I would appreciate any thoughts
> anyone has as usual.
> Best Regards,
> Fred ? KF4FC

From burns at fisher.cc  Mon Dec 11 13:20:17 2017
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:20:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
Message-ID: <CABX7KxWELCzO+0JVxqNTob=7xFZ2g08PjC8==pT94HeHcFaOiw@mail.gmail.com>

I'll probably be sorry to get myself involved in this morass, but I think
it is worth saying/repeating:  Many operators are in QRZ.  If you think
they are behaving inappropriately why not send them a note rather than
calling out individuals on the bb?  I know one of the operators mentioned
here and I did in fact send him a note.  He had not received anything from
anyone previously.  He was apologetic and unaware of his transgressions,
and also unaware of the bulletin board so he had not seen this
conversation.  In addition, I know him to be a good guy and generally a
good operator on DX and a good contester and thus normally aware of rare
grids etc.

My points are:  1) Good people make mistakes. 2) Good operators are happy
to be corrected. 3) Calling out on a particular social medium does not
always reach the person in question.  Why not assume they are of good faith
and try to make a friendly personal connection?

Back to lurk mode---73,

Burns W2BFJ

From WB4SON at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 16:25:16 2017
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Moxon vs. Turnstile
In-Reply-To: <28372a30-853f-7057-ca04-c9c315fc80ad@gmail.com>
References: <28372a30-853f-7057-ca04-c9c315fc80ad@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ9776ncLetskXG_E6EJJmqqf0=zsUW-Go4mmE9J=PGWqw@mail.gmail.com>

Probably best to start with the issue of antenna polarization.  Most
terrestrial antennas are either horizontal (HF) or vertical (VHF/UHF FM)
polarized.  Having a polarization match is critical, as a mismatch will
cause the signal to be about 30 dB weaker.  30 dB is more than enough to
take a signal that is "arm chair copy" to one that is below the noise
level.  Your proposed Moxon could be installed for Horizontal, or Vertical
polarization.

Now lets think about satellite use.  The satellite is orbiting above us,
and frequently has some sort of spin imparted on it.  That spin may cause
the antenna polarization to change over time.  Then as the satellite moves
across the sky there can be an apparent polarization change.  If you were
talking about the Space Station, then the signal might be bouncing off of
metal parts.  Very importantly for satellites, there can be a polarization
rotation or shift imparted by the ionosphere as well (at the frequencies we
use).  The bottom line is the polarization of a satellite is often
unpredictable from moment to moment.  This is why a more optimal antenna
will be one that has circular polarization.  It doesn't matter how that
antenna appears to rotate up in space, you still pick it up down at the
ground.  Deep fades are greatly reduced as a consequence.  Your turnstile
antenna will be circularly polarized.

Next issue is omnidirectional vs. directional.  The Moxon is a kind of beam
antenna, it is directional.  Most of the signals you hear and your RF
energy will be going in the direction it is pointed.  That's a good thing
as there is no reason to send your RF energy, or listen in directions that
you know you don't need to be.  But the drawback is that you need some way
to move the beam around (a rotor).  For satellite use it gets more
complicated, as not only do you need to know what compass direction to
point it toward (azimuth), you also need to know how far up in the sky to
point it (elevation).  Beams with fewer elements (2 or 3) can be used for
satellites by pointing them at about 15 degrees above your local horizon
(say you have a small hill or houses nearby that might cause your local
horizon to be about 15 degrees (not unusual), then set your beam to about
30 degrees elevation).  Having full azimuth and elevation control is ideal,
a requirement for beams with many elements, and can be real expensive for
the rotor and controller.  Your Moxon could be used with a fixed elevation
and use an azimuth rotor only.  Your turnstile antenna will be
omnidirectional -- no rotor required.

So now to what is "best".  Best is whatever works for you and meets your
budget criteria.  It might be a directional antenna on a fixed mount like a
camera tripod that is pointing at the location the satellite will be at 1/3
of the way through its orbit.  Then you could move the antenna one time to
the point it will be at about 2/3 the way through its orbit.  I do this
during Field Day -- it works every time -- but I'm generally only trying to
make one contact.

I've been using circular polarized omnidirectional antennas for 20 years.
No mechanical rotors and expensive controllers to worry about.  Very
simple, very reliable.  But you don't get something for nothing.  They
don't have "gain" and they gradually shift from circular polarization to
horizontal at the horizon.  In practical terms, if a LED satellite has a 12
minute orbital path, I will be able to work it with excellent results for
about 4 minutes (near the top of the orbit) and marginal results for maybe
another 2 minutes.  So I get about 1/2 the path.

If it were me, I'd go with the turnstile.

73, Bob, WB4SON


On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:37 PM, KD4ZGW <kd4zgw at gmail.com> wrote:

> What would be the better antenna: moxon or a turnstile?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 11 17:28:18 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:28:18 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?iso-8859-1?q?Upcoming_ARISS_contact_with_Summa-Aldap?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?eta=2C_Donostia-San_Sebasti=E1n=2C_Spain?=
Message-ID: <E4E32C5E517B43D0A609C5238DCFC011@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San Sebasti?n, Spain on 12 Dec. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 13:01 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and EG2SMA. The contact should be audible over Spain and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English and Spanish.

 

 

Summa Aldapeta is a Catholic co-educational school owned  by three religious orders, The Society of Mary - (Marianist brothers and priests), The Daughters of Mary Immaculate (Marianist sisters) and the Order of the Company of Mary our Lady  and  operated  by agreement with the educational authorities. Through a unique collaboration, it has served the city for more than a hundred years.

The school is located in three close premises in  the city centre of San Sebastian- Donostia, north of Spain. These three buildings give us the possibility of adapting to the needs of today's students and allow us to have a much closer relationship with students and their families.

Nowadays there are around 2,000 students from the age of 1 up to the age of 18 at Summa Aldapeta, with a dedicated staff, truly dedicated to the spirit of educating the whole student, engaged in innovation and new methodologies.

We offer our students, families and society an integral and quality education. Our goal in education is to develop every student as a person, educating them to interact and communicate with others, stimulating their abilities, educating them in healthy lifestyles and equality. We share these goals with our families and society.

The city has been selected as European Capital of Culture for 2016 (shared with Wroclaw, Poland).

Communication in its different ways plays a key role in Cultural exchange among nations. Amateur radio operators have been, since their very beginnings 100 years ago, a perfect example of the idea of culture "solidarity". They have played an active role in many humanitarian interventions in natural disasters, medicine searches or missing people. These are values we want to share in Summa Aldapeta.

 

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

 

1. What did you have to study to be an astronaut?

2. Por qu? motivo decidiste ir al espacio?

3. If you had to go to the space forever, would you do it?

4. Resulta dif?cil convivir con personas de otros pa?ses y culturas en la   

   Estaci?n Espacial?

5. What do you do when you feel sick or get injured in the ISS?

6. Qu? hac?is cuando ten?is problemas t?cnicos en la nave?

7. What kind of experiments do you conduct up there?

8. C?mo pas?is el tiempo libre en la Estaci?n Espacial?

9. How often do you contact with your families?

10. Piensas que alg?n d?a viviremos en otro planeta?

11. How do you treat the rubbish you produce in the ISS?

12. C?mo recib?s las noticias de lo que est? ocurriendo en la Tierra?

13. What is the most exciting sensation while you are in the vacuum of space?

14. Hab?is vivido alguna vez una situaci?n peligrosa en la soledad del 

    espacio?

15. Is the ISS a comfortable place? 

16. Qu? es lo que m?s echar?s en falta de la Estaci?n Espacial cuando 

    regreses a la Tierra?

17. How do you have a shower or clean your clothes in the ISS?

18. Cu?l es el olor que predomina en la Estaci?n Espacial?

19. When you need surgery, does any of your co-workers do it?

20. Cu?l es la misi?n m?s complicada a la que os hab?is enfrentado en el 

    espacio?

 

2. Why did you decide to go to space?

4. Is living together with people from different countries difficult?

6. What do you do if you have technical problems in the spaceship?

8. How do you have fun in the ISS?

10. Do you think we will live in another planet someday?

12. How do you catch up with the news on Earth?

14. Have you ever lived a dangerous situation being alone in the space?

16. What will you miss most when you come back to Earth?

18. What does the ISS smell like?

20. Which mission has been the most difficult one in the ISS?

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

      TBD

 

About ARISS: 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From jim at beeson.cc  Mon Dec 11 17:54:15 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (Jim Beeson)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:54:15 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFBBA7AD-1724-4FC6-BE38-55D6F87A5E9F@beeson.cc>

Paul while I agree whole heartily with your intent your bed side manor could stand improvement. 

73,s



Jim Beeson
WA5QAP

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
> but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
> was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
> that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).
> 
> Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
> other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
> day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
> QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
> on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
> low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
> situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
> on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
> are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
> seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
> out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
> are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
> please!
> 
> This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
> aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
> before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
> FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
> call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
> out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
> called me).
> 
> I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
> behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
> Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
> engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
> simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
> amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
> they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
> good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Dec 11 18:13:41 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:13:41 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <FFBBA7AD-1724-4FC6-BE38-55D6F87A5E9F@beeson.cc>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFBBA7AD-1724-4FC6-BE38-55D6F87A5E9F@beeson.cc>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOr1O15c2X5hzdMoJU4vGX1mV4bh5dmcv6Xr2ToRFn54qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Even the nicest doctors can get blunt when a patient doesn't listen to
repeated admonishments for over two decades!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Jim Beeson <jim at beeson.cc> wrote:
> Paul while I agree whole heartily with your intent your bed side manor could
> stand improvement.
>
> 73,s
>
>
>
> Jim Beeson
> WA5QAP
>
> On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> During the last AO-91 pass, there were many interesting stations on,
> but in particular there were two low power rovers in rare grids: FG8OJ
> was in FK95 and C6AWD/MM (AC0RA) was in FL25 (an entirely wet grid
> that the ship will only be in for a short period of time).
>
> Yet, even while those two were in the footprint, stations were calling
> other fixed stations that they can work on any pass of any satellite,
> day or night. Right now, we have 14 satellites where you can make a
> QSO with a guy next door. There's no need to work a hundred stations
> on every pass of AO-91, especially when two guys in rare grids with
> low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about
> situational awareness. Pay attention to what grid ops are going to be
> on a pass (monitoring Twitter, Facebook, and the BB prior to a pass
> are handy for this), listen before you transmit, noting anything that
> seems rare, and wait to make other QSOs until the rare stations are
> out of the footprint. And please don't keep calling stations when they
> are out of the footprint. Learn your geography and/or look at a map,
> please!
>
> This is how I approached the pass: From monitoring Twitter, I was well
> aware that there would be two rare rovers on (the two I mentioned
> before). I did not need FG8OJ in FK95, so I did not call him. However,
> FL25 is a hole in my map. When I heard C6AWD/MM in FL25, I made my
> call, worked him, and then didn't attempt any more QSOs until he was
> out of the footprint (this included not responding to a person that
> called me).
>
> I know this is not the first time this topic has been raised, but
> behavior has been especially terrible since the launch of AO-91.
> Eventually, I and others will be forced to name and shame stations
> engaged in poor behavior. FM satellites are wonderful in that the
> simple, inexpensive equipment required to work them opens up the
> amateur satellite hobby to a large number of people. However, since
> they are a single channel covering a wide area, they also demand a
> good amount of situational awareness and courtesy when operating.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From brad.wf7t at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 19:01:23 2017
From: brad.wf7t at gmail.com (Brad Brooks)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:01:23 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] How-to for FM sats (was Behavior on FM Satellites)
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOr1O15c2X5hzdMoJU4vGX1mV4bh5dmcv6Xr2ToRFn54qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFBBA7AD-1724-4FC6-BE38-55D6F87A5E9F@beeson.cc>
	<CABzOSOr1O15c2X5hzdMoJU4vGX1mV4bh5dmcv6Xr2ToRFn54qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14f80c31-dc47-49ea-a46f-62c6a9858ee6@Spark>

I would like to help, with other operators participation, compile a how-to for working sats.

Wiki? Google docs? GitHub?

I can host a wiki instance (or others CMS) if needed. My time is otherwise fairly constrained, but I am happy to pitch in where I am able.

Thoughts?

Brad WF7T

>

From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Dec 11 19:15:58 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:15:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] How-to for FM sats (was Behavior on FM Satellites)
In-Reply-To: <14f80c31-dc47-49ea-a46f-62c6a9858ee6@Spark>
References: <CABzOSOqLrjFWCXYjATvMguNkDNcfaR2=uWZSWi0x8a1CE0aBvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFBBA7AD-1724-4FC6-BE38-55D6F87A5E9F@beeson.cc>
	<CABzOSOr1O15c2X5hzdMoJU4vGX1mV4bh5dmcv6Xr2ToRFn54qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<14f80c31-dc47-49ea-a46f-62c6a9858ee6@Spark>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOppZ_AmCwOiOP-UxtQa+zU26QyUEosmiP0imKiS9H5dRQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's a draft document circulating now. Stay tuned!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to help, with other operators participation, compile a how-to for working sats.
>
> Wiki? Google docs? GitHub?
>
> I can host a wiki instance (or others CMS) if needed. My time is otherwise fairly constrained, but I am happy to pitch in where I am able.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Brad WF7T
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From n8hm at amsat.org  Mon Dec 11 20:55:05 2017
From: n8hm at amsat.org (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:55:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning
	and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqJJPKzqfAmJmCB79R5QTb4ysMSKbdUGtvwKFwJ7HvYQg@mail.gmail.com>

Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
AMSAT website at
https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/

A PDF version is also available at
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FM-Satellites-Best-Practices.pdf

73,

Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Executive Vice President
Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT-NA)

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Mon Dec 11 21:48:27 2017
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:48:27 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/

While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.

6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority

This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
everyone cares about.

If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
your fancy grid squares.

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO



From tucker at mcguireland.com  Mon Dec 11 22:20:54 2017
From: tucker at mcguireland.com (Tucker McGuire)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:20:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Actually, grid squares are not "fancy". They're quite simple really. They
are just 1? latitude x 2? longitude boundaries.

Cheers & 73,
Tucker
W4FS


On Dec 11, 2017 4:49 PM, "Zach Metzinger" <zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:

On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-
practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/

While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.

6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority

This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
everyone cares about.

If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
your fancy grid squares.

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO


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From kx9x at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 11 22:25:52 2017
From: kx9x at yahoo.com (Sean K.)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Hi Zach-
The entire point reads:

"It is common for satellite operators to take their equipment with them to portable locations, to transmit from rare grid squares or other DX countries. Courtesy should be extended to these stations; they are providing a rare location to all satellite operators and will be at that location for a limited time. If you hear a station on from a rare grid or DXCC entity, use good judgement before calling stations in more common grids. If the rarer station is working a lot of people on a pass, it may be best to let that station work as many people as possible. There will always be another pass to work more common stations. Info on how to know when rare stations will be on is at the bottom of this list."

I understand your statement that the FM satellites should be reserved for newcomers. Newcomers come in many different countries and locales, and some of those newcomers like to go on vacations or business trips that happen to be in a rare grid.?
Grid chasing is one of the primary forms of recreation on the satellites; indeed, the grid square is the default exchange for all satellite QSOs. My point said that operators should "use good judgement" when you're on a pass that will feature a station in a rare location. 

Veteran satellite operator John, K8YSE, wrote about the same thing several years ago on his web site:

"

A Word about signing "PORTABLE"



You can say and do whatever you want regarding operating "portable" or "handheld" or "on the Arrow" etc., but it doesn't provide much useful information with one exception: When you stated you were operating "portable" under the FCC rules in the 1960's, it meant you were not at your home station location. It had nothing to do with operating with an HT or on emergency battery power. This was an FCC requirement back then but now it is not. When operating today, be sure to say you are /portable when you are not at home and especially when you are operating in a grid different from your home grid. Hearing someone signing "portable" should set off alarm bells that you might want to work this station and may want to give them airtime to work as many stations as they can. After all, they have gone to the trouble to operate away from their "home comfort zone" to possibly give someone a new grid. But if others sign "portable" when they are in their backyard on an HT, this indicator won't mean much. Consider using "portable" only when you are away from home. If the pass is not crowded, have at it. But if it is, you'll have the opportunity to work everyone again later, whereas the "portable" station may only be there for that pass. Give the portable station as much airtime as possible so that everyone can make a contact, possibly for a new grid. Common sense should prevail. Listen, figure out what is going on, and then operate appropriately. But above all, be courteous."

http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html

As I emphasized throughout my Best Practices document, we all have to try and work together to find a bit of order during FM passes. If an op is going to be in a high-demand grid square or DXCC entity, I'm personally going to choose to try and work only that station (if I need the unit) or lay back entirely and let the rarer station work the pass; there's another pass or another satellite coming by soon that I can work for recreation. This courtesy has been extended to me several times when I've activated rare grids, and I want to make sure I extend that courtesy to others.

Some people don't care about grid chasing, and that's fine. But some do. And rare stations aren't on every pass. Being flexible and approaching from a spirit of shared use benefits all in the long run, and makes it more inviting for people to take gear to rarer locales. It's an easy way for ops to get a taste of being on the other side of a pileup, if they wish.

Hope to work you soon.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X 

    On Monday, December 11, 2017, 4:48:46 PM EST, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:  
 
 On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/

While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.

6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority

This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
everyone cares about.

If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
your fancy grid squares.

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO


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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Mon Dec 11 22:38:03 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:38:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
	Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Nothing wrong with that guideline, it?s just common sense. Doesn?t have anything to do with what you call ?chase-a-grid? game players. Last Saturday I was operating as WX4TOR at a weather station in Ruskin Florida, for Skywarn recognition day. The grid was EL87, but no one cared about that, I didn?t even include it in the exchange most of the time. I got on a couple of FM passes, AO-85 and AO-91. People on the pass seemed to want to work me (a ?special event? station which I don?t even have the ability to QSL for), as well as Patrick, WD9EWK who was at a hamfest in Arizona.

AO-85 was a fun pass, patrick and I  worked many stations who were calling both of us. AO-91 also went well, until another op at his home station in Arizona began calling every person he heard - including several who were not calling him, rather they were calling me and/or Patrick! Instead of allowing the portable station who a person was calling answer, this op called them instead! Around 1/2 of the pass was tied up in this manner, while this op worked a bunch of people he could easily work on any pass, any day. At least 2 people who called me, I was not able to answer because of this other op who used enough power that my attempts to
reply were drowned out; and I heard the same happen to Patrick several times.

Why do I mention this? Because THAT is what Sean?s ?Rule 6? is intended to address. Who cares about grid squares particularly...it?s just courteous to give priority to the guy who has taken his time to stand out along the side of a road, at a hamfest, doing a demo for a club, or yes even handing out rare grid squares or DX entities.

73 from someone who?s been on both sides of the pileup.

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 16:48, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
>> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
>> AMSAT website at
>> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
> 
> While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
> 
> 6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
> 
> This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
> everyone cares about.
> 
> If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
> bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
> which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
> your fancy grid squares.
> 
> 73,
> 
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> 
> 
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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Mon Dec 11 23:01:01 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:01:01 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Sean,

Nice document. Thanks for writing it! Even the section for rare
and portable stations is putting in writing what many operators have
been doing for a long time. I don't expect to get an FM satellite all
to myself whenever I have operated away from home, and I have done
that a lot over the past decade or so from lots of locations. NJ4Y is
correct in what he said about a recent Saturday where he and I were
operating from special events. He and I have done this sort of "tag
team" operating from different rare or unusual locations on satellite
passes over the past year or so - especially during 2016's NPOTA
activity.

One issue I see is with point 4. The basic premise is spot-on - don't
call CQ. It is unfortunate that the assumption here is that the issues
are with the operator's station
?,?
if nobody has responded after giving
his/her call sign and grid locator a few times. If the station is being
operated full-duplex, the operator will know straight away if his/her
signals are making it through the satellite. A different way of stating
the last part of this section could be...

"If you have given your callsign several times and are not getting calls,
try calling other stations you have already heard on the pass. Sometimes,
many stations are announcing themselves, but few are taking the initiative
to call another station. If that doesn't work, it may then be helpful to
examine your station before transmitting again."

Many times, or dare I say *too* many times, there are bunches of stations
announcing themselves on a pass, but nobody tries to call these stations.
The equipment at those stations could be working fine, but everyone else
isn't paying attention to what could be a new operator's call sign or even
a rare grid locator. I have lots of recordings that illustrate this. Sure,
there could be other issues with the operator's equipment at play, but it
seems like jumping to that conclusion might be premature. Listening for
these stations, and calling them, may help spark an interest in this part
of our hobby. You never know what you might end up with in your log - like
a new grid locator, for example.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK

From va3ma.va3ma at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 22:44:03 2017
From: va3ma.va3ma at gmail.com (VA3MA - Dan Howard)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:44:03 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Zach
While I respect your views on #6
I disagree
Rovers spend lots of time and personal funds to activate rare and non-ham
populated grids for FMer's
As the Ham Creed states - a Ham is always courteous to all operations
73
Dan VA3MA

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:49 PM Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:

> On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> > Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> > operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> > AMSAT website at
> >
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
>
> While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
>
> 6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
>
> This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
> everyone cares about.
>
> If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
> bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
> which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
> your fancy grid squares.
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
>
>
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73
Dan VA3MA

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From bryan at kl7cn.net  Mon Dec 11 23:31:53 2017
From: bryan at kl7cn.net (Bryan KL7CN)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:31:53 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Well done on all counts!

Given that grid chasing will be even much more popular in 2018, it's good to see the special comments around that activity!

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6
Location: CM98, usually
E-Mail: bryan at KL7CN.net
Telephone/SMS: 408-836-7279

> On Dec 11, 2017, at 12:55, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> AMSAT website at
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
> 
> A PDF version is also available at
> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FM-Satellites-Best-Practices.pdf
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> Executive Vice President
> Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT-NA)
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From devin at thecabal.org  Mon Dec 11 23:35:42 2017
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:35:42 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Sir,

I see the point you're trying to make. However, I have a couple of thoughts:

1) Dismissing others' interests in amateur radio only leads to them to dismiss yours.
2) Asking people to recognize others' interests and *consider* adjusting their *current* operational practices accordingly is simply the basis of good situational awareness. Indeed, it is simply an expansion of "listen before you transmit" -- you are listening to see if there is an unusual amount of operational activity on a given pass.
3) I qualify as a "new satellite operator" and while I can only speak for myself, I do not fit your characterization. While I do not know if I will pursue the grid-based awards, I know that it is a strong and attractive component to satellite ops, and sooner or later I suspect I'll end up both hunting them and going to activate the out-of-the-way grids in my area.
4) We newbies also need to learn one very, very important aspect about this hobby that is not emphasized enough -- PATIENCE. Things are always changing. Things are always cycling. Problems take time to chase down. New skills take time to acquire and perfect. There is always another pass. Teaching the fundamentals of "your neighbor isn't going to operate the way you do and that's okay, so learn how to co-exist" is one of the most basic skills amateur radios operators CAN and SHOULD be modeling and learning. 

However, perhaps the community can come up with some appropriate verbiage and guidelines with which to amend Sean's guide around selecting appropriate satellites for the kind of operation you're doing. Ease of use is one factor to consider, but ubiquity is another. With a Baofeng and a cheap antenna, I can hit the FM birds AND start chasing grid squares. If we force the grid chasers off FM, that makes it a much more expensive proposition and means it's less likely the newbies are going to find it and get involved. Are certain satellites considered the same as simplex calling frequencies (and should they be)? Are the first X minutes of a pass reserved for new operators (and how do you determine when the first X minutes are, a non-trivial problem)?

--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin at thecabal.org
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575

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From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Zach Metzinger
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:48 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good 
> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the 
> AMSAT website at 
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-begin
> ning-and-experienced-operators/

While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.

6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority

This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not everyone cares about.

If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators, which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about your fancy grid squares.

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO


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From stephennipper at gmail.com  Mon Dec 11 23:49:33 2017
From: stephennipper at gmail.com (H. Stephen Nipper)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:49:33 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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I have just been sitting  back and listening to all of the traffic and QRM
on every pass, hoping for the new to wear off and then I can make a few
contacts.

Wishing us all a great new year, and lets remember that ham radio is
supposed to be FUN.

Stephen  N7DJX dn13

From burns at fisher.cc  Tue Dec 12 00:13:53 2017
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:13:53 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <CABX7KxUkk26xFnK1KOG1nVFwk0vz85phPBMbv_LJfMtLUF0H2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good work Sean!

Number 6 seems to be the most controversial.  I do believe that many new
folks are still interested in catching the "rare" QSO.  I'd suggest,
though, that instead of prioritizing "rare grids" you prioritize "special
short term stations".   You might give as examples rare grid squares,
portable stations and special event stations (easily recognizable by their
1x1 calls).  Maybe even suggest giving priority to weak-sounding stations.

Any other ideas about priorities?

73,

Burns W2BFJ

From mikflathead at aol.com  Tue Dec 12 00:25:57 2017
From: mikflathead at aol.com (mikflathead at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:25:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] u110 rotor
Message-ID: <160481d244e-1726-28cd3@webjas-vae181.srv.aolmail.net>

Is it possible to use a U110 rotor with a tracking program?  I am in the planning stages and would like to have the computer track the birds. Thanks Mike

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 01:22:53 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:22:53 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] u110 rotor
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Message-ID: <2fcee665-46c6-2938-e86a-373811b5e3e0@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

Possible?  Yes, but not with any of the usual controllers.  I built one
of my own from a Basic Stamp-II many years ago.  See the links at the
top of http://home.wavecable.com/~ko6th/

Good luck!

Greg  KO6TH


WB8PFZ via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Is it possible to use a U110 rotor with a tracking program?  I am in the planning stages and would like to have the computer track the birds. Thanks Mike
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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 01:37:49 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:37:49 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Update
Message-ID: <2BB21FB0408645A69B40B2FECBF2BBAE@OsbornesPC>

Launch window now at 16:00 NZDT (03:00 UTC) at he earliest.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab

Live stream from here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_oAGlhFezo&feature=youtu.be
Starting at 15:30 NZDT (02:30 UTC).

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 12 01:59:43 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:59:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FIF-232C for sale
Message-ID: <0ed801d372ec$e10250b0$a306f210$@mindspring.com>

I have a FIF-232C CAT level adapter and 6 pin DIN cable available to anyone
who needs it. This came from a local AMSAT member who passed on, and I
believe it was in use with his FT-736. It works with these rigs: FT-650,
FT-736, FT-747GX, FT-757GXII, FT-767GX, FT-840, FT-890, FT-990, FT-1000D,
<https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/2786.html> FRG-100,
FRG-8800 and FRG-9600. It powers on, but I have no way to further test it.
$40 shipped USPS in the US.

 

73, Drew KO4MA

 

 


From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 12 02:11:54 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:11:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FIF-232C for sale
In-Reply-To: <0ed801d372ec$e10250b0$a306f210$@mindspring.com>
References: <0ed801d372ec$e10250b0$a306f210$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <0edd01d372ee$94c815c0$be584140$@mindspring.com>

Weird...well now you know where I lifted the model list from!

D

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Glasbrenner
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:00 PM
To: 'AMSAT BB' <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FIF-232C for sale

I have a FIF-232C CAT level adapter and 6 pin DIN cable available to anyone
who needs it. This came from a local AMSAT member who passed on, and I
believe it was in use with his FT-736. It works with these rigs: FT-650,
FT-736, FT-747GX, FT-757GXII, FT-767GX, FT-840, FT-890, FT-990, FT-1000D,
<https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/2786.html> FRG-100,
FRG-8800 and FRG-9600. It powers on, but I have no way to further test it.
$40 shipped USPS in the US.

 

73, Drew KO4MA

 

 

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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 03:36:59 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:36:59 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming
Message-ID: <691E253E14E54BDABC5F5432520370AD@OsbornesPC>

See: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/live-stream/

73,
Terry ZL2BAC

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 03:58:08 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:58:08 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming
In-Reply-To: <691E253E14E54BDABC5F5432520370AD@OsbornesPC>
References: <691E253E14E54BDABC5F5432520370AD@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkPrxAEDTSvH=pY0ZUOcgBDac0L7ZwTFjeaeXE1mW6EUhQ@mail.gmail.com>

The engines ignited were cut off right after T-0.  The launch has been
scrubbed for today.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
wandtosborne at gmail.com> wrote:

> See: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/live-stream/
>
> 73,
> Terry ZL2BAC
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Dec 12 05:27:36 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 00:27:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12 05:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <36fe68.79841688.4760c2c8@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12  05:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Shirokawa Elementary School, Seiyo, Japan, direct via  8J5SS
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled  astronaut is Paolo Nespoli (***)
Contact was successful: Mon 2017-12-11  11:06:25 UTC 70 deg (***)

Antietam Elementary School, Woodbridge,  VA, direct via KM4TAY
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP (***)
Contact was  successful: Mon 2017-12-11 18:30:10 UTC 36 deg  (***)

Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San Sebasti?n, Spain, direct via  EG2SMA 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS 
The  scheduled astronaut is Joe Acaba KE5DAR
Contact is a go for: Tue 2017-12-12  13:01:28 UTC 84 deg
Watch for live stream at    http://www.summa-aldapeta.com/ISS/  (***)

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126  (***) 
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-06 06:30 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1196.  
Each school counts  as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1145.   
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-05 07:00 UTC.  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From hawat1 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 12 06:19:55 2017
From: hawat1 at yahoo.com (Andreas Kellner)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:19:55 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] u110 rotor
In-Reply-To: <160481d244e-1726-28cd3@webjas-vae181.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160481d244e-1726-28cd3@webjas-vae181.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <009401d37311$3d377800$b7a66800$@yahoo.com>


Yes, homebrew is the name of the game.

I've made a az/ele tracking system with 2 x u110 rotators and a home brew
parallel port interface, which takes the data from SatPC 32 via DDE.

Here is a video (operating as VK4FHAW back then) talking to VK2AOR on FO 29
SSB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-nBYvPYOy4

Software curtesy of K8DAV and myself. 

Cheers,

Andreas - VK4TH


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Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:26
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] u110 rotor

Is it possible to use a U110 rotor with a tracking program?  I am in the
planning stages and would like to have the computer track the birds. Thanks
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From rwmcgwier at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 14:36:36 2017
From: rwmcgwier at gmail.com (Robert McGwier)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:36:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <318031178.3198009.1513031152823@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABzOSOqJJPKzqfAmJmCB79R5QTb4ysMSKbdUGtvwKFwJ7HvYQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<705e511b-5dfb-87b4-334b-d87ad8f6b732@pobox.com>
	<318031178.3198009.1513031152823@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+K5gzecN95ET9R=F-A_JygZ4EjysqDd6tOpBpfPjBEvx7+gvg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sean for doing the document!

73s
Bob
N4HY

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Sean K. via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi Zach-
> The entire point reads:
>
> "It is common for satellite operators to take their equipment with them to
> portable locations, to transmit from rare grid squares or other DX
> countries. Courtesy should be extended to these stations; they are
> providing a rare location to all satellite operators and will be at that
> location for a limited time. If you hear a station on from a rare grid or
> DXCC entity, use good judgement before calling stations in more common
> grids. If the rarer station is working a lot of people on a pass, it may be
> best to let that station work as many people as possible. There will always
> be another pass to work more common stations. Info on how to know when rare
> stations will be on is at the bottom of this list."
>
> I understand your statement that the FM satellites should be reserved for
> newcomers. Newcomers come in many different countries and locales, and some
> of those newcomers like to go on vacations or business trips that happen to
> be in a rare grid.
> Grid chasing is one of the primary forms of recreation on the satellites;
> indeed, the grid square is the default exchange for all satellite QSOs. My
> point said that operators should "use good judgement" when you're on a pass
> that will feature a station in a rare location.
>
> Veteran satellite operator John, K8YSE, wrote about the same thing several
> years ago on his web site:
>
> "
>
> A Word about signing "PORTABLE"
>
>
>
> You can say and do whatever you want regarding operating "portable" or
> "handheld" or "on the Arrow" etc., but it doesn't provide much useful
> information with one exception: When you stated you were operating
> "portable" under the FCC rules in the 1960's, it meant you were not at your
> home station location. It had nothing to do with operating with an HT or on
> emergency battery power. This was an FCC requirement back then but now it
> is not. When operating today, be sure to say you are /portable when you are
> not at home and especially when you are operating in a grid different from
> your home grid. Hearing someone signing "portable" should set off alarm
> bells that you might want to work this station and may want to give them
> airtime to work as many stations as they can. After all, they have gone to
> the trouble to operate away from their "home comfort zone" to possibly give
> someone a new grid. But if others sign "portable" when they are in their
> backyard on an HT, this indicator won't mean much. Consider using
> "portable" only when you are away from home. If the pass is not crowded,
> have at it. But if it is, you'll have the opportunity to work everyone
> again later, whereas the "portable" station may only be there for that
> pass. Give the portable station as much airtime as possible so that
> everyone can make a contact, possibly for a new grid. Common sense should
> prevail. Listen, figure out what is going on, and then operate
> appropriately. But above all, be courteous."
>
> http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html
>
> As I emphasized throughout my Best Practices document, we all have to try
> and work together to find a bit of order during FM passes. If an op is
> going to be in a high-demand grid square or DXCC entity, I'm personally
> going to choose to try and work only that station (if I need the unit) or
> lay back entirely and let the rarer station work the pass; there's another
> pass or another satellite coming by soon that I can work for recreation.
> This courtesy has been extended to me several times when I've activated
> rare grids, and I want to make sure I extend that courtesy to others.
>
> Some people don't care about grid chasing, and that's fine. But some do.
> And rare stations aren't on every pass. Being flexible and approaching from
> a spirit of shared use benefits all in the long run, and makes it more
> inviting for people to take gear to rarer locales. It's an easy way for ops
> to get a taste of being on the other side of a pileup, if they wish.
>
> Hope to work you soon.
> Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
>
>     On Monday, December 11, 2017, 4:48:46 PM EST, Zach Metzinger <
> zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>  On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> > Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> > operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> > AMSAT website at
> > https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-
> practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
>
> While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with #6.
>
> 6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
>
> This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
> everyone cares about.
>
> If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
> bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
> which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
> your fancy grid squares.
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
>
>
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-- 
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Research Professor Virginia Tech
Chief Scientist:  The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and
Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
Faculty Advisor Virginia Tech Amateur Radio Assn. (K4KDJ)
Director of AMSAT
Member of PVRC (Roanoke-Blacksburg), TAPR,  life member of ARRL and AMSAT,
NRVR.ORG (Rocketry)

From radiomb at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 12 05:33:41 2017
From: radiomb at bellsouth.net (radiomb)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 05:33:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker
References: <2121099819.3398080.1513056821613.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2121099819.3398080.1513056821613@mail.yahoo.com>

 Does Amsat plan on producing the LVB tracker in the future?
Tnx Mike K4MIA?

From AJ9N at aol.com  Tue Dec 12 18:00:42 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:00:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12 18:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <371d35.69cd4255.4761734a@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-12  18:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San Sebasti?n, Spain, direct via  EG2SMA 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be OR4ISS 
The  scheduled astronaut is Joe Acaba KE5DAR
Contact was successful: Tue  2017-12-12 13:01:28 UTC 84 deg (***)
Watch for live stream at    http://www.summa-aldapeta.com/ISS/ 

Taipei Municipal Ximen  Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C., direct 
via TBD 
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei  KG5GNP (***)
Contact is a go for: Thu 2017-12-21 08:49:07 UTC 72 deg  (***)

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126  
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-12 18:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1199. (***)
Each school counts  as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1148.  (***)  
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-12 18:00 UTC. 
(***)  

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From wageners at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 21:25:31 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 15:25:31 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-970A -for sale-
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHAny2G9PF_aeB_UXqVR1hoyfqKrqppMjjq13Lz8PBUg2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I am selling my pristine Icom IC-970A 2m/70cm all mode base transceiver
including the following options:

CR-293 (high stability option)
UX-97 (1.2GHz module)
UX-R96 (50-905Mhz receive module)
UT-34 (tone squelch unit)
SP-20 (brand new external speaker)
USB interface cable to use with SatPC32 (works great)

The unit is build like a tank and its receive characteristics are
legendary. This is not only a fully functioning stationary satellite radio
but also a true collector radio. Just finished a few contacts on AO-91 but
it really shines on the linear birds.

Asking $1500 plus shipping. Photos on request.

Please contact me off the list. My callsign at gmail.com

Stefan, VE4NSA

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 22:18:09 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:18:09 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab launch nowlive streaming
In-Reply-To: <691E253E14E54BDABC5F5432520370AD@OsbornesPC>
References: <691E253E14E54BDABC5F5432520370AD@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkO7q9W=w0bA7KQ=pFLxpDAHKiPs08EETsGr0w-_jw3fXg@mail.gmail.com>

The next launch attempt will be, at the earliest, 2030 EST tomorrow (i. e.,
0130 UTC Thursday):

https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/12/12/electron-rocket-countdown-aborted-after-engine-start-next-launch-attempt-set-for-wednesday/

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ CO96NG


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Wendy and Terry Osborne <
wandtosborne at gmail.com> wrote:

> See: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/live-stream/
>
> 73,
> Terry ZL2BAC
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From johnki4ro at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 20:25:10 2017
From: johnki4ro at gmail.com (John KI4RO)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 15:25:10 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
Message-ID: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>

Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF too...Ugh!

73
John KI4RO

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Tue Dec 12 22:30:28 2017
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:30:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>

On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF too...Ugh!
> 
> 73
> John KI4RO

John,

I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who resort
to disparaging insults.

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO


From dave at druidnetworks.com  Tue Dec 12 22:37:03 2017
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:37:03 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>

Zach,

Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't have your
call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a QSO with
you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if you're not
active on the birds.

73,

Dave, KG5CCI

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:

> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> > Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF too...Ugh!
> >
> > 73
> > John KI4RO
>
> John,
>
> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who resort
> to disparaging insults.
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From zryder94 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 22:42:22 2017
From: zryder94 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:42:22 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <8067C011-1E0F-44FE-B605-9BC5DB4B128D@mrstevens.net>
References: <CABzOSOqJJPKzqfAmJmCB79R5QTb4ysMSKbdUGtvwKFwJ7HvYQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<705e511b-5dfb-87b4-334b-d87ad8f6b732@pobox.com>
	<8067C011-1E0F-44FE-B605-9BC5DB4B128D@mrstevens.net>
Message-ID: <CAGD5MUHUxjRGsCB8rwBiTnR1XNpG=MvpBpnggvdX6+4aZ3oqHA@mail.gmail.com>

I was one of the people who was trying to work WX4TOR that day. I was able
to work Patrick at his hamfest, but try as I might, on at least 2 AO-91
passes, I was not able to get through to Matthew. He heard me calling him,
but as he said, it didn't happen. Would have liked to have that
"interesting" one in my logbook, confirmed or not.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net>
wrote:

> Nothing wrong with that guideline, it?s just common sense. Doesn?t have
> anything to do with what you call ?chase-a-grid? game players. Last
> Saturday I was operating as WX4TOR at a weather station in Ruskin Florida,
> for Skywarn recognition day. The grid was EL87, but no one cared about
> that, I didn?t even include it in the exchange most of the time. I got on a
> couple of FM passes, AO-85 and AO-91. People on the pass seemed to want to
> work me (a ?special event? station which I don?t even have the ability to
> QSL for), as well as Patrick, WD9EWK who was at a hamfest in Arizona.
>
> AO-85 was a fun pass, patrick and I  worked many stations who were calling
> both of us. AO-91 also went well, until another op at his home station in
> Arizona began calling every person he heard - including several who were
> not calling him, rather they were calling me and/or Patrick! Instead of
> allowing the portable station who a person was calling answer, this op
> called them instead! Around 1/2 of the pass was tied up in this manner,
> while this op worked a bunch of people he could easily work on any pass,
> any day. At least 2 people who called me, I was not able to answer because
> of this other op who used enough power that my attempts to
> reply were drowned out; and I heard the same happen to Patrick several
> times.
>
> Why do I mention this? Because THAT is what Sean?s ?Rule 6? is intended to
> address. Who cares about grid squares particularly...it?s just courteous to
> give priority to the guy who has taken his time to stand out along the side
> of a road, at a hamfest, doing a demo for a club, or yes even handing out
> rare grid squares or DX entities.
>
> 73 from someone who?s been on both sides of the pileup.
>
> - Matthew nj4y
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 11, 2017, at 16:48, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/11/17 14:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> >> Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
> >> operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to the
> >> AMSAT website at
> >> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-
> practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
> >
> > While I think that _most_ of these guidelines are good, I disagree with
> #6.
> >
> > 6. Rare/Portable Stations Take Priority
> >
> > This prioritizes the chase-a-grid-square game players, which not
> > everyone cares about.
> >
> > If you want to play that game, go use a linear bird with more available
> > bandwidth. The easy sats should be reserved for new satellite operators,
> > which, buy definition, will be less experienced and not care much about
> > your fancy grid squares.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO
> >
> >
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From wageners at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 23:26:24 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:26:24 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-970A -for sale-
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHC7RjHuWCR22Q4crJcDX1JUpaOmQdeL=C3JFh=395aESw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the interest!

The radio has been sold,

73, Stefan VE4NSA



On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I am selling my pristine Icom IC-970A 2m/70cm all mode base transceiver
> including the following options:
>
> CR-293 (high stability option)
> UX-97 (1.2GHz module)
> UX-R96 (50-905Mhz receive module)
> UT-34 (tone squelch unit)
> SP-20 (brand new external speaker)
> USB interface cable to use with SatPC32 (works great)
>
> The unit is build like a tank and its receive characteristics are
> legendary. This is not only a fully functioning stationary satellite radio
> but also a true collector radio. Just finished a few contacts on AO-91 but
> it really shines on the linear birds.
>
> Asking $1500 plus shipping. Photos on request.
>
> Please contact me off the list. My callsign at gmail.com
>
> Stefan, VE4NSA
>

From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 23:31:41 2017
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:31:41 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>

I don?t have him on my logs either.

Jeff WE4B

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com> wrote:

> Zach,
>
> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't have your
> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a QSO with
> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if you're not
> active on the birds.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, KG5CCI
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> > > Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF too...Ugh!
> > >
> > > 73
> > > John KI4RO
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who resort
> > to disparaging insults.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
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From waisean at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 00:36:06 2017
From: waisean at gmail.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:36:06 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working the
satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This includes both
these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the challenges of doing the
same.

Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.

73,
Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don?t have him on my logs either.
>
> Jeff WE4B
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Zach,
> >
> > Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't have
> your
> > call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a QSO
> with
> > you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if you're not
> > active on the birds.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Dave, KG5CCI
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> > > > Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> too...Ugh!
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > > John KI4RO
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who resort
> > > to disparaging insults.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > --- Zach
> > > N0ZGO
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
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> > >
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From w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 01:10:16 2017
From: w2hro.fn20 at gmail.com (Paul Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:10:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CAOsf+NSF_zXrowGaSNJJA80h0sgZ78KdFGh3f53T_aehdfqeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOsf+NQQpPkbwODyj0iSeqcVtGq_kkx89TDpVoDOfCseuYvskQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOsf+NSF_zXrowGaSNJJA80h0sgZ78KdFGh3f53T_aehdfqeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOsf+NTX8JuUDULxGjTyt_3bAOVZnTP7XE9BVFx5fOCA6=04aA@mail.gmail.com>

I think that satellite DX is very exciting.  The challenge of selecting the
perfect orbit to complete a long distance QSO at the extreme limits of the
satellite footprint.  Two station completing a QSO at less than 1 degree
Elevation.  Exciting!

73 - Paul - W2HRO

On Dec 12, 2017 19:38, "Sean Waite" <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:

I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working the
satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This includes both
these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the challenges of doing the
same.

Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.

73,
Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don?t have him on my logs either.
>
> Jeff WE4B
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Zach,
> >
> > Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't have
> your
> > call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a QSO
> with
> > you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if you're
not
> > active on the birds.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Dave, KG5CCI
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> > > > Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> too...Ugh!
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > > John KI4RO
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
resort
> > > to disparaging insults.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > --- Zach
> > > N0ZGO
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
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From maccody at att.net  Wed Dec 13 01:11:55 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:11:55 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is 
experimentation
to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is seen, of late,
with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.? I would like to
see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some examples and I'm 
sure
that there are others:

o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band 
Emergency
Messaging Software - NBEMS).

o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear 
transponder satellites
to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g. 
double-sideband
modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).

o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower 
the barrier
to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters, amplifiers,
full-duplex transceivers).

73,

Mac Cody - AE5PH

On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working the
> satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This includes both
> these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the challenges of doing the
> same.
>
> Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
>
> 73,
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don?t have him on my logs either.
>>
>> Jeff WE4B
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Zach,
>>>
>>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't have
>> your
>>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a QSO
>> with
>>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if you're not
>>> active on the birds.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Dave, KG5CCI
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
>>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
>> too...Ugh!
>>>>> 73
>>>>> John KI4RO
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who resort
>>>> to disparaging insults.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> --- Zach
>>>> N0ZGO
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions
>>>> expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From devin at thecabal.org  Wed Dec 13 01:29:21 2017
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:29:21 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <c6a3f318-12e1-ffd2-37b6-7e781a6edc03@att.net>
References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c6a3f318-12e1-ffd2-37b6-7e781a6edc03@att.net>
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There's the "Doctor Who" reason:

Satellites are COOL.


--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin at thecabal.org
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A. Cody
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.? I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some examples and I'm sure that there are others:

o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).

o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g. 
double-sideband
modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).

o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters, amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).

73,

Mac Cody - AE5PH

On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working 
> the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This 
> includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the 
> challenges of doing the same.
>
> Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is 
> contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the 
> limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
>
> 73,
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don?t have him on my logs either.
>>
>> Jeff WE4B
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Zach,
>>>
>>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't 
>>> have
>> your
>>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a 
>>> QSO
>> with
>>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if 
>>> you're not active on the birds.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Dave, KG5CCI
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
>>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
>> too...Ugh!
>>>>> 73
>>>>> John KI4RO
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who 
>>>> resort to disparaging insults.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> --- Zach
>>>> N0ZGO
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum 
>>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions
>>>> expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official 
>>>> views
>> of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
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>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From waisean at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 02:15:05 2017
From: waisean at gmail.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 02:15:05 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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	<f5602d6a-f387-be36-f43b-c7ddfd7a3ac9@pobox.com>
	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c6a3f318-12e1-ffd2-37b6-7e781a6edc03@att.net>
	<MWHPR0101MB312025E4AB9A231E0C88C05BCA350@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CAGz_XJwNi16kXQrVu8cDzkJoOF3sqDuVdkz=c=h2suR4RJiv2w@mail.gmail.com>

Bow ties are cool, too.

So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?


I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.


Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:

> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin at thecabal.org
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.  Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> >>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> >>> Opinions
> >>>> expressed
> >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> >>>> views
> >> of
> >>>> AMSAT-NA.
> >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >>> program!
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> membership.
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From kx9x at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 13 03:48:36 2017
From: kx9x at yahoo.com (Sean K.)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 03:48:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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References: <CA+-NL40Si07dr3Xjxh6_y-34VrF+5HCB2JNo-efK2dbHeKP_tg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANq+eyVsi6D01DdOigQG6OW_scq60vBXTrS+yS2an8GrtuWUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+QOuE4f1V1GxAKmMtb=0W8-_4=Upwdavd-HaSD8T1gRBq4rUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJwX_dTHDk8iz7zVzdi-vjht_p7FXp2=e9CwhHNFE+M9oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c6a3f318-12e1-ffd2-37b6-7e781a6edc03@att.net>
	<MWHPR0101MB312025E4AB9A231E0C88C05BCA350@MWHPR0101MB3120.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<CAGz_XJwNi16kXQrVu8cDzkJoOF3sqDuVdkz=c=h2suR4RJiv2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <643982382.4235841.1513136916637@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all-
Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on calling other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am limited to FM only.?Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home in Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my HT and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand it out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from North Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I took the first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine, with no advance planning or coordination.
One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an SO50 pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to make a quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day or so. His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was in a far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a rare grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out and let him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night, after AA5UK had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't interfere with people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way a station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X 

    On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Bow ties are cool, too.

So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?


I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.


Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:

> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin at thecabal.org
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
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From AJ9N at aol.com  Wed Dec 13 09:10:46 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 04:10:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-13 09:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <5c1b3c.b48432a.47624896@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-13  09:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Taipei Municipal Ximen Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C., direct 
via BN?SM (***) 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP 
Contact is a go  for: Thu 2017-12-21 08:49:07 UTC 72  deg

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126  
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-13 09:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1199.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1148.   
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-12 18:00  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 12:41:57 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:41:57 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CAGz_XJwNi16kXQrVu8cDzkJoOF3sqDuVdkz=c=h2suR4RJiv2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a312019.ee289d0a.7082e.41e2@mx.google.com>

This all times back to part 97 rules the bands belong to everyone but a courtesy nod to DX chasers would be nice.? Personally the birds are not taught enough in ham testing nor is repeater operation. The only rules we need are part 97 and common sense.


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-------- Original message --------From: Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> Date: 12/12/17  20:15  (GMT-06:00) To: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin at thecabal.org> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Bow ties are cool, too.

So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?


I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.


Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:

> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin at thecabal.org
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
> >>>>
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> >>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 12:45:57 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:45:57 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <643982382.4235841.1513136916637@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5a312108.ee289d0a.7082e.4224@mx.google.com>


I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when convent and whine when they don't get their way.??

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-------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Hi all-
Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on calling other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am limited to FM only.?Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home in Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my HT and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand it out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from North Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I took the first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine, with no advance planning or coordination.
One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an SO50 pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to make a quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day or so. His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was in a far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a rare grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out and let him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night, after AA5UK had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't interfere with people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way a station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X 

??? On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:? 
 
 Bow ties are cool, too.

So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?


I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.


Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:

> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin at thecabal.org
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> >>>> available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> >>> Opinions
> >>>> expressed
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> >>>> views
> >> of
> >>>> AMSAT-NA.
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From kx9x at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 13 13:07:25 2017
From: kx9x at yahoo.com (Sean K.)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:07:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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I proposed suggested guidelines. These are guidelines, not rules set in stone by AMSAT leadership. Similar operating guidelines have been proposed by other areas of ham radio, such as the DX Code of Conduct. Not everybody adheres to those suggestions, either, to the detriment of the DX pileup (in my opinion).
FM satellites are open to all. There has been a chronic issue with FM satellites being congested, and in some cases, misused. This is discouraging to operators who take the trouble to go elsewhere to operate, either to hand out rare grids to other satellite users, or to put on a demonstration.
The more experienced operators often use the SSB sats to avoid these very issues. Not everybody has that option. Part of this is stewardship; an attempt to find a solution to the congestion issues that exist on the FM satellites (and have for quite some time).
If this trend continues, my concern is the more experienced operators will simply go to the SSB sats, leaving newcomers to fend for themselves on FM. With no understanding of (or in some cases, interest in) sharing an FM sat pass, new users will get discouraged because they can't work anybody and give up. I don't believe anybody wants that to happen.

Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X 

    On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 7:46:02 AM EST, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when convent and whine when they don't get their way.??

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-------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Hi all-
Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on calling other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am limited to FM only.?Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home in Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my HT and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand it out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from North Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I took the first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine, with no advance planning or coordination.
One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an SO50 pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to make a quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day or so. His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was in a far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a rare grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out and let him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night, after AA5UK had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't interfere with people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way a station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X 

??? On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:? 
 
 Bow ties are cool, too.

So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?


I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
every grid is a new grid for me.


Sean WA1TE

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:

> There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
>
> Satellites are COOL.
>
>
> --
> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> email: devin at thecabal.org
> web: Devin on Earth
> cell: +1 425.239.2575
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A.
> Cody
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This is
> seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on AO-85.
> I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.? Here are some
> examples and I'm sure that there are others:
>
> o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
>
> o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access (e.g.
> double-sideband
> modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
>
> o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
> On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > challenges of doing the same.
> >
> > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> >>
> >> Jeff WE4B
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zach,
> >>>
> >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> >>> have
> >> your
> >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> >>> QSO
> >> with
> >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> >>> you're not active on the birds.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> >> too...Ugh!
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> John KI4RO
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Zach
> >>>> N0ZGO
> >>>>
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From dave at druidnetworks.com  Wed Dec 13 17:07:35 2017
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:07:35 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Christopher,

I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.

Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.

-Dave, KG5CCI

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
> Hi all-
> Matthew NJ4Y and a few others put it more succinctly than I did: Item 6 in
> my document is about extending courtesy to a station that goes to the
> trouble of setting up away from their home or back yard. That can be for a
> demo, a special event station at a hamfest, or a rare grid. All item 6 is
> asking for is some consideration for that op's effort.
> I live in grid FN31. It's a very common location. I tend to focus on
> calling other stations on FM passes from Connecticut.
> I activate other grids from time to time. When I do so, I usually take a
> full-duplex linear station with me, so I can work the more capable stations
> on SSB. But I still work FM passes, because there are some stations that
> only have FM capability. Sometimes I only take an HT with me, and am
> limited to FM only. Here are a couple examples: This July, I was back home
> in Illinois, and did a few SO50 passes from the EM59/EM69 grid line with my
> HT and Arrow. EM69 is kind of rare (not sure why), so I was happy to hand
> it out. One pass, I made 17 QSOs. Another pass, W4FS was on as K2J from
> North Carolina for the 13 Colonies special event; we split the pass.... I
> took the first half, Tucker took the second. It all worked out just fine,
> with no advance planning or coordination.
> One night, I'd announced on Twitter I was going to the grid line for an
> SO50 pass. AA5UK was in the Cayman Islands, and announced he was able to
> make a quick trip to FK09, a very rare grid, but was only there for a day
> or so. His access to passes was very limited and his time was short. He was
> in a far rarer location than I was...he was going to be able to hand out a
> rare grid and possibly a new DXCC entity for many people, so I bailed out
> and let him take the pass. I went back to my grid line the next night,
> after AA5UK had left his rare spot. No skin off my nose, and I didn't
> interfere with people trying to work a much more enticing station than me.
> That kind of courtesy and awareness is all item 6 is advocating for. If a
> station is on from a different DXCC entity, a cruise ship handing out water
> grids, or doing a demo at a Scout Jamboree, throw 'em a bone. If you were
> the station of interest, I'd wager you would appreciate the opportunity.
> And of course, if a bona fide emergency pops up and a LEO is the only way
> a station can get a message out, then everybody else should stand by.
> Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X
>
>     On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 9:15:55 PM EST, Sean Waite <
> waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Bow ties are cool, too.
>
> So we have a bunch of other uses for the birds. How does this fit into rule
> 6? Do rare grids make way for DX? Does DX make way for NBEMS?
>
>
> I'm new to the satellite game, so I don't really have an opinion, but maybe
> there is more discussion here than a simple dismissal. Maybe not. Almost
> every grid is a new grid for me.
>
>
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 20:31 Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:
>
> > There's the "Doctor Who" reason:
> >
> > Satellites are COOL.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> > email: devin at thecabal.org
> > web: Devin on Earth
> > cell: +1 425.239.2575
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mac A.
> > Cody
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 5:12 PM
> > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> > Beginning and Experienced Operators
> >
> > I would hope that another reason for working the satellites is
> > experimentation to broaden the applications of amateur satellites. This
> is
> > seen, of late, with the resurgence of 'Experimenter's Wednesday' on
> AO-85.
> > I would like to see more experimentation in other areas.  Here are some
> > examples and I'm sure that there are others:
> >
> > o Use of LEO satellites for emergency response traffic (e.g. Narrow Band
> > Emergency Messaging Software - NBEMS).
> >
> > o Use/development of alternative modulation schemes on linear transponder
> > satellites to enable more efficient use or lower the barrier to access
> (e.g.
> > double-sideband
> > modulation, digital voice, low-power digital modes).
> >
> > o Development and test of homebrew satellite ground stations to lower the
> > barrier to working amateur satellites (e.g. antenna systems, filters,
> > amplifiers, full-duplex transceivers).
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mac Cody - AE5PH
> >
> > On 12/12/2017 06:36 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> > > I'll bite. As far as I can tell, there are 2 main reasons for working
> > > the satellites. Chasing grids and making contacts via space. This
> > > includes both these acts as well as the fun of overcoming the
> > > challenges of doing the same.
> > >
> > > Maybe Zach has a third option that we haven't considered, one that is
> > > contrary to the grid hunt. Rag chews aren't really viable due to the
> > > limited resource and short time, but there could be something else.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Sean WA1TE
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 19:05 Jeff Johns <jeff30339 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I don?t have him on my logs either.
> > >>
> > >> Jeff WE4B
> > >>
> > >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Zach,
> > >>>
> > >>> Do you avoid Satellites too? I've looked thru my logs and I don't
> > >>> have
> > >> your
> > >>> call in there. I've asked a few other prolific ops and they lack a
> > >>> QSO
> > >> with
> > >>> you as well. Just curious why the strong feelings on Item 6 if
> > >>> you're not active on the birds.
> > >>>
> > >>> 73,
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave, KG5CCI
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing at pobox.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 12/12/17 14:25, John KI4RO wrote:
> > >>>>> Just like rare DX Zach...you must be a great operator on HF
> > >> too...Ugh!
> > >>>>> 73
> > >>>>> John KI4RO
> > >>>> John,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I generally avoid 160 meters, as there are too many on there who
> > >>>> resort to disparaging insults.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 73,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- Zach
> > >>>> N0ZGO
> > >>>>
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Wed Dec 13 18:20:50 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:20:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
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Dave, 

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593) 

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


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On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


>

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>   Beginning and Experienced Operators

From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 20:11:18 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:11:18 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>

Hello there!? I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.??


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Dave, 

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593) 

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


>

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 20:32:21 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:32:21 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Analysis from Tuesday's attempt
Message-ID: <685FC9145EEF43B4833F006BE5D79C19@OsbornesPC>

Rocket have released their analysis from Tuesday.

?Analysis of yesterday's launch attempt is complete. Launch was aborted due to rising liquid oxygen temperatures - the result of a LOx chilldown bleed schedule not compatible with the warm conditions of the day. The fix is simple. Next attempt tomorrow! #StillTesting ?.

Well it was about 30 degrees C (86 F) at the Launch site and the rocket is black.

The weather forecast for the launch site today is for showers this morning but clearing this afternoon.
First rain for about a month.
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab for updates. 

73,
Terry  ZL2BAC

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Wed Dec 13 20:39:52 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:39:52 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUeNhu1iRResyxomr8PJHJ0GrXe9hExZCjWjbxmSSsDSZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

The document Sean KX9X created for the AMSAT web site is in the
same tradition as the documents offered on the Station and
Operating Hints page on AMSAT's web site:

https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/

I don't think any of the documents listed there went through
any discussion or vote, before being placed on that page. Some
of those articles appeared in the AMSAT Journal, and others were
posted in other places online but brought to this page as a
one-stop place to find this sort of useful information. AMSAT
has people that review what is presented on its web site and
distributed in its name, so it isn't like KX9X "went rogue"
in creating the document and posting it on the AMSAT web site.

This mailing list is an ideal place to discuss what KX9X wrote.
I expressed my opinion about it on Monday, suggesting a tweak to
one part of it, but also said I liked it. Do you have objections
to anything in KX9X's document? Nowhere has it been said that
the document represents a set of rules we must follow when working
FM satellites, or even AMSAT's FM satellites (AO-85 and AO-91).
Just suggestions, and - in my opinion - good suggestions.

I don't have your call signs, current or previous, in my log from
a satellite QSO. I'd like to work you sometime, whether it is on
AO-91 or one of the other satellites. I think if you tried working
some passes, you would gain an appreciation of what has been said
in that document.

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK





On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:11 PM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how
> the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site
> with out a vote or discussion.
>
>
>

From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 20:45:45 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:45:45 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5a31917e.1b8e190a.32365.42aa@mx.google.com>

My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference.? I am a paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore my input SHOULD be of value.? I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and enraged the Satellite illuminati.? I am going office until such time as I have been sent an RSVP to adult table.? ?Yes my response is almost as childish and absurd what prompted it.?


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Dave, 

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593) 

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


>

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From diehl.mike.a at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 20:49:05 2017
From: diehl.mike.a at gmail.com (Mike Diehl)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:49:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
	Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
References: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AF09989C-F547-4B5A-A7A9-0FA3316B1B34@gmail.com>

That?s the thing about best practices when applied to just about anything, it?s something rarely voted on. Instead, best practices tend to come from empirical evidence. 

Sean has proven himself to be successful on sats. Like others have pointed out, I?ve worked him as both sides of the DX. His methods described are proven and isn?t a matter of opinion. When it comes down to things such as operating best practices then the less opinions (votes) the better because most aren?t qualified. 


Sean presented a guide and those that we elected at AMSAT thought it was well worth posting. We should be glad they didn?t wait around to get every unqualified opinion on the matter. 

73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:11, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.  
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>  Beginning and Experienced Operators 
> Dave, 
> 
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 
> 
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 
> 
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 
> 
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 
> 
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 
> 
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593) 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> 
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
> 
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
> 
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
> 
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
> 
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
> 
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
> 
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
> 
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
> 
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If
> 
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
> 
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
> 
> 
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
> 
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
> 
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
> 
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
> 
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
> 
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
> 
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
> 
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
> 
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
> 
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
> 
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
> 
> 
> -Dave, KG5CCI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> 
>> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of
> 
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> 
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
> 
> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> 
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> 
>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> 
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> 
>>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From matthew at mrstevens.net  Wed Dec 13 21:05:30 2017
From: matthew at mrstevens.net (Matthew Stevens)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:05:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
	Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5a31917e.1b8e190a.32365.42aa@mx.google.com>
References: <5a31917e.1b8e190a.32365.42aa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5000F301-6826-4B0F-9D18-80F7EE5562A8@mrstevens.net>

Err... huh? What does any of this have to do with an unofficial operators guide created by an active operator and Amsat member? Amsat didn?t create the guide. They just thought it good enough to share on the website, as many other member-generated articles have been for years. No one has to vote on what in the end is someone?s opinion! If anything, what Sean did by sharing here on the BB for peer review and suggestions seems like exactly what you?re asking for..

And, as you see from all but a few of the responses, virtually every active operator concurs with his suggested guidelines! This type of thing is best created by someone who has experience in the topic... and Sean does. I personally think he did a great job, and addressed some things that no one really has in writing for a number of years. It?s always great to see a fellow member contributing to everyone?s enjoyment of amateur satellites, instead of just endlessly talking about ?some day someone ought to do something.?

73,

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:45, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference.  I am a paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore my input SHOULD be of value.  I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and enraged the Satellite illuminati.  I am going office until such time as I have been sent an RSVP to adult table.   Yes my response is almost as childish and absurd what prompted it. 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>   Beginning and Experienced Operators 
> Dave, 
> 
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 
> 
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 
> 
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 
> 
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 
> 
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 
> 
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593) 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> 
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
> 
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
> 
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
> 
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
> 
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
> 
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
> 
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
> 
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
> 
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If
> 
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
> 
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
> 
> 
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
> 
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
> 
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
> 
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
> 
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
> 
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
> 
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
> 
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
> 
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
> 
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
> 
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
> 
> 
> -Dave, KG5CCI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> 
>> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of
> 
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> 
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> 
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> 
>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> 
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> 
>>    Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From k7trkradio at charter.net  Wed Dec 13 21:07:05 2017
From: k7trkradio at charter.net (Ted)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:07:05 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
	Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d37456$54f38010$feda8030$@charter.net>

Chris, why are you beating this to death? No one here or from AMSAT has told you Sean's write up was the LAW etched in stone. Sean simply took the time to put in cogent writing what is always discussed and thought by many operators. Sean just took the initiative to do a 'white paper' on the topic.

You are free to adopt his suggestions or not. There is no 'vote', but there is honest discussion. NO one is making you follow Sean's suggestions...key word be SUGGESTIONS

73, Ted
K7TRK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of kg5jup
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:11 PM
To: R.T.Liddy; AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.  


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
  Beginning and Experienced Operators
Dave, 

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593) 

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


>

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 21:10:01 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:10:01 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <AF09989C-F547-4B5A-A7A9-0FA3316B1B34@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a31972d.1b8e190a.32365.436b@mx.google.com>

Really what you are saying is the DXers count.? I abhore clickes especially those driven by adolensce mentalities.??


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com> Date: 12/13/17  14:49  (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators 
That?s the thing about best practices when applied to just about anything, it?s something rarely voted on. Instead, best practices tend to come from empirical evidence. 

Sean has proven himself to be successful on sats. Like others have pointed out, I?ve worked him as both sides of the DX. His methods described are proven and isn?t a matter of opinion. When it comes down to things such as operating best practices then the less opinions (votes) the better because most aren?t qualified. 


Sean presented a guide and those that we elected at AMSAT thought it was well worth posting. We should be glad they didn?t wait around to get every unqualified opinion on the matter. 

73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:11, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello there!? I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.? 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17? 12:20? (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
> Dave, 
> 
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 
> 
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 
> 
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 
> 
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 
> 
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 
> 
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593) 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> 
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
> 
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
> 
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
> 
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
> 
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
> 
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
> 
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
> 
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
> 
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If
> 
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
> 
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
> 
> 
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
> 
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
> 
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
> 
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
> 
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
> 
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
> 
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
> 
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
> 
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
> 
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
> 
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
> 
> 
> -Dave, KG5CCI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> 
>> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of
> 
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> 
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
> 
> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> 
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> 
>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> 
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> 
>>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators
> _______________________________________________
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Wed Dec 13 21:11:13 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:11:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5000F301-6826-4B0F-9D18-80F7EE5562A8@mrstevens.net>
References: <5a31917e.1b8e190a.32365.42aa@mx.google.com>
	<5000F301-6826-4B0F-9D18-80F7EE5562A8@mrstevens.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqRyYHT55P46=6B1icUtMCzzr7U-JX8H=yD+D2U-59DZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Correct. In the wake of the growing controversy over the crowded
conditions on AO-91, Sean approached AMSAT with an article that he had
wrote and it was published on the website. I don't believe it conveys
or implies that it's conveying any sort of official guidelines. After
all, AMSAT doesn't own every single channel satellite in orbit! It's
just a document that explains some best practices for how to operate
successfully on an FM satellite.

The bottom line is that the satellites are available for all amateurs
for both recreation and experimentation. If everyone operates with
courtesy, we can all successfully share these wonderful resources we
have in orbit.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net> wrote:
> Err... huh? What does any of this have to do with an unofficial operators guide created by an active operator and Amsat member? Amsat didn?t create the guide. They just thought it good enough to share on the website, as many other member-generated articles have been for years. No one has to vote on what in the end is someone?s opinion! If anything, what Sean did by sharing here on the BB for peer review and suggestions seems like exactly what you?re asking for..
>
> And, as you see from all but a few of the responses, virtually every active operator concurs with his suggested guidelines! This type of thing is best created by someone who has experience in the topic... and Sean does. I personally think he did a great job, and addressed some things that no one really has in writing for a number of years. It?s always great to see a fellow member contributing to everyone?s enjoyment of amateur satellites, instead of just endlessly talking about ?some day someone ought to do something.?
>
> 73,
>
> - Matthew nj4y
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:45, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference.  I am a paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore my input SHOULD be of value.  I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and enraged the Satellite illuminati.  I am going office until such time as I have been sent an RSVP to adult table.   Yes my response is almost as childish and absurd what prompted it.
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
>> Dave,
>>
>> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
>>
>> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
>> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
>> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
>> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
>>
>> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
>> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
>> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
>> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
>>
>> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
>> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
>> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
>>
>> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
>> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
>> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
>> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
>> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
>>
>> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593)
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
>> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher,
>>
>>
>> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
>>
>> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
>>
>> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
>>
>> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
>>
>> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
>>
>> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
>>
>> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
>>
>> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
>>
>> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If
>>
>> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
>>
>> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
>>
>>
>> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
>>
>> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
>>
>> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
>>
>> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
>>
>> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
>>
>> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
>>
>> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
>>
>> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
>>
>> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
>>
>> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
>>
>> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
>>
>>
>> -Dave, KG5CCI
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
>>
>>> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of
>>
>>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
>>
>>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
>>
>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
>>
>>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
>>
>>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>>
>>>    Beginning and Experienced Operators
>> _______________________________________________
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From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 21:11:55 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:11:55 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5000F301-6826-4B0F-9D18-80F7EE5562A8@mrstevens.net>
Message-ID: <5a31979f.1b8e190a.32365.437a@mx.google.com>

There's the answer I sought AMSAT felt it belonged online and I agree.??


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-------- Original message --------From: Matthew Stevens <matthew at mrstevens.net> Date: 12/13/17  15:05  (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Err... huh? What does any of this have to do with an unofficial operators guide created by an active operator and Amsat member? Amsat didn?t create the guide. They just thought it good enough to share on the website, as many other member-generated articles have been for years. No one has to vote on what in the end is someone?s opinion! If anything, what Sean did by sharing here on the BB for peer review and suggestions seems like exactly what you?re asking for..

And, as you see from all but a few of the responses, virtually every active operator concurs with his suggested guidelines! This type of thing is best created by someone who has experience in the topic... and Sean does. I personally think he did a great job, and addressed some things that no one really has in writing for a number of years. It?s always great to see a fellow member contributing to everyone?s enjoyment of amateur satellites, instead of just endlessly talking about ?some day someone ought to do something.?

73,

- Matthew nj4y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:45, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference.? I am a paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore my input SHOULD be of value.? I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and enraged the Satellite illuminati.? I am going office until such time as I have been sent an RSVP to adult table.?? Yes my response is almost as childish and absurd what prompted it. 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17? 12:20? (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators 
> Dave, 
> 
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 
> 
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 
> 
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 
> 
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 
> 
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 
> 
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593) 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> 
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
> 
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
> 
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
> 
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
> 
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
> 
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
> 
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
> 
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
> 
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If
> 
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
> 
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
> 
> 
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
> 
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
> 
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
> 
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
> 
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
> 
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
> 
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
> 
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
> 
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
> 
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
> 
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
> 
> 
> -Dave, KG5CCI
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> 
>> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of
> 
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> 
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> 
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> 
>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
> 
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> 
>>??? Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Wed Dec 13 21:30:12 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:30:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>

KG5JUP,

The AMSAT BB is open to all & no membership/dues required.

Anyone can comment on whatever is posted on it, which you did.

Someone volunteered their time to summarize what many folks feel
are good operating procedures. Without guidelines, there would
continue to be the chaos on the FM Satellites that has been seen.

New people should appreciate having guidance on how to operate
on a shared resource. Otherwise, they merely contribute to the chaos.

FYI, there is no voting on a volunteered set of guidelines. You either
follow them or you don't. They aren't Rules. 

You could have suggested a rewording of portions of the guidelines
and asked for discussion and a reissue. Instead, you inferred that the
SATs are being controlled by only certain individuals and they are
whiners.

Now, why don't you tell the users here what you feel should be different
in those guidelines based on your experience and observations. Then,
people can comment on the pros and cons of your ideas. Perhaps, the
guidelines can be improved.

TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL

P.S. Please sign your posts with your Name/Call so we know who you are.




________________________________
From: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com>
To: R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.  



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-------- Original message --------
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> 
Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) 
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
  Beginning and Experienced Operators 

Dave, 

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593) 

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


>

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 21:34:12 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (kg5jup)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:34:12 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <CAEGYLCud5k12Ei9U9OQRu+kyRy4Z_XE84tgg-KhZwO+Hzus=_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a319cd8.43542e0a.7df99.3918@mx.google.com>


I am too tall to be a troll.? This has however gotten out of hand a long time ago.? Sean great work on the suggestions for good practices they are super helpful for a new operator like myself.??

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-------- Original message --------From: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com> Date: 12/13/17  15:26  (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>, AMSAT Mailing List <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Then go back to HF or repeaters or whatever and stop trolling us. Getting tired of getting these stupid emails from you fighting with everyone over petty nonsense, enjoy the satellites and hobby however you damn well please and feel free to ignore any advice.
73,GabeAL6D/VE6NJH
On Dec 13, 2017 12:23 PM, "kg5jup" <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
Really what you are saying is the DXers count.? I abhore clickes especially those driven by adolensce mentalities.??





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-------- Original message --------From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com> Date: 12/13/17? 14:49? (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

That?s the thing about best practices when applied to just about anything, it?s something rarely voted on. Instead, best practices tend to come from empirical evidence.



Sean has proven himself to be successful on sats. Like others have pointed out, I?ve worked him as both sides of the DX. His methods described are proven and isn?t a matter of opinion. When it comes down to things such as operating best practices then the less opinions (votes) the better because most aren?t qualified.





Sean presented a guide and those that we elected at AMSAT thought it was well worth posting. We should be glad they didn?t wait around to get every unqualified opinion on the matter.



73,

Mike Diehl

W8LID



> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:11, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Hello there!? I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.?

>

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17? 12:20? (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>? Beginning and Experienced Operators

> Dave,

>

> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.

>

> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving

> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care

> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing

> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.

>

> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting

> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy

> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that

> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?

>

> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of

> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would

> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.

>

> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do

> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when

> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating

> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that

> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!

>

> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593)

>

> ________________________________

> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>

> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM

> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

>

>

>

> Christopher,

>

>

> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

>

> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

>

> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

>

> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

>

> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

>

> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

>

> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

>

> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

>

> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If

>

> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

>

> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.

>

>

> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

>

> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

>

> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

>

> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

>

> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

>

> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

>

> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

>

> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

>

> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

>

> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

>

> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.

>

>

> -Dave, KG5CCI

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

>

>> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a handful of

>

>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

>

>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

>

>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

>

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

>

>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17? 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

>

>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

>

>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>

>>?? Beginning and Experienced Operators

> _______________________________________________

> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available

> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed

> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.

> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!

> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

> _______________________________________________

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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed

> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.

> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!

> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

_______________________________________________

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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed

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From gabrielzeifman at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 21:26:36 2017
From: gabrielzeifman at gmail.com (Gabriel Zeifman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:26:36 -0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <5a31972d.1b8e190a.32365.436b@mx.google.com>
References: <AF09989C-F547-4B5A-A7A9-0FA3316B1B34@gmail.com>
	<5a31972d.1b8e190a.32365.436b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAEGYLCud5k12Ei9U9OQRu+kyRy4Z_XE84tgg-KhZwO+Hzus=_A@mail.gmail.com>

Then go back to HF or repeaters or whatever and stop trolling us. Getting
tired of getting these stupid emails from you fighting with everyone over
petty nonsense, enjoy the satellites and hobby however you damn well please
and feel free to ignore any advice.

73,
Gabe
AL6D/VE6NJH

On Dec 13, 2017 12:23 PM, "kg5jup" <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

> Really what you are saying is the DXers count.  I abhore clickes
> especially those driven by adolensce mentalities.
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/13/17  14:49  (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc:
> "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject:
> Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
> Experienced Operators
> That?s the thing about best practices when applied to just about anything,
> it?s something rarely voted on. Instead, best practices tend to come from
> empirical evidence.
>
> Sean has proven himself to be successful on sats. Like others have pointed
> out, I?ve worked him as both sides of the DX. His methods described are
> proven and isn?t a matter of opinion. When it comes down to things such as
> operating best practices then the less opinions (votes) the better because
> most aren?t qualified.
>
>
> Sean presented a guide and those that we elected at AMSAT thought it was
> well worth posting. We should be glad they didn?t wait around to get every
> unqualified opinion on the matter.
>
> 73,
> Mike Diehl
> W8LID
>
> > On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:11, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was
> how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT
> site with out a vote or discussion.
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>
> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> >  Beginning and Experienced Operators
> > Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
> >
> > Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
> > or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
> > that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
> > these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
> >
> > Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
> > to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
> > with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
> > are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
> >
> > Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
> > the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
> > wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
> >
> > Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
> > some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
> > someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
> > Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
> > volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
> >
> > 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593)
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> > To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher,
> >
> >
> > I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do
> you
> >
> > actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
> >
> > don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not
> saying
> >
> > it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
> >
> > 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
> >
> > trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
> >
> > has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
> >
> > side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
> >
> > other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If
> >
> > that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate
> what
> >
> > you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
> >
> >
> > Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go
> back
> >
> > and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
> >
> > 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
> >
> > passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
> >
> > avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of
> exactly
> >
> > why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
> >
> > towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for
> one
> >
> > am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to
> put
> >
> > some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
> >
> > the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
> >
> > class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
> >
> >
> > -Dave, KG5CCI
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
> >
> >> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a
> handful of
> >
> >> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
> >
> >> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
> >
> >
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------------
> >
> >> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
> >
> >> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
> >
> >> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re:
> [amsat-bb]
> >
> >> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> >
> >>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From almetco at comcast.net  Wed Dec 13 21:43:13 2017
From: almetco at comcast.net (Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:43:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
	<894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A2F97B7B-515D-42E0-A34F-92AB6D8FAC4A@comcast.net>

Many things in life have ?best practices? that are not ?voted? on including engineering, surgery , etc. Why is the best practices obtained over years of operations even in question.

Greg
N3MVF


On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:30 PM, R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net> wrote:

KG5JUP,

The AMSAT BB is open to all & no membership/dues required.

Anyone can comment on whatever is posted on it, which you did.

Someone volunteered their time to summarize what many folks feel
are good operating procedures. Without guidelines, there would
continue to be the chaos on the FM Satellites that has been seen.

New people should appreciate having guidance on how to operate
on a shared resource. Otherwise, they merely contribute to the chaos.

FYI, there is no voting on a volunteered set of guidelines. You either
follow them or you don't. They aren't Rules. 

You could have suggested a rewording of portions of the guidelines
and asked for discussion and a reissue. Instead, you inferred that the
SATs are being controlled by only certain individuals and they are
whiners.

Now, why don't you tell the users here what you feel should be different
in those guidelines based on your experience and observations. Then,
people can comment on the pros and cons of your ideas. Perhaps, the
guidelines can be improved.

TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL

P.S. Please sign your posts with your Name/Call so we know who you are.




________________________________
From: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com>
To: R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.  



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> 
Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) 
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators 

Dave, 

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations. 

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving 
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care 
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing 
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations. 

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting 
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy 
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that 
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes? 

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of 
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would 
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place. 

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do 
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when 
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating 
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that 
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!! 

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593) 

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


> 

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

> 

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>  Beginning and Experienced Operators
_______________________________________________
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From kb2mjeff at att.net  Wed Dec 13 22:00:22 2017
From: kb2mjeff at att.net (kb2mjeff at att.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:00:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
	Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com><5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
	<894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>

There are two things that are  sad about all of this is...
  The discussion about the FM satellites has been going on for as long as 
I've been working the sats, coming up on 30 years. Geez am I getting old. It 
will never change. What happens is as the newness of AO-91 wears off it will 
settle down. it always does Let's all be patient.
  The second thing is I wouldn't even be involved in this discussion, I know 
better but I elmered my good friend Russ kl1nk today on two passes of AO-91. 
The first pass low over the Caribbean went well, he made two contacts, the 
second high pass  over the US was a disaster. He didn't make a single 
contact, as far as I can tell he wasn't even heard. He could not believe 
what a mess it was. I told him the SSB satellites were much more relaxed, 
but being retired on a fixed income, I don't think he has the money to 
invest in the required equipment. Trying to get new people interested in sat 
operation is a very hard sell. I had to almost beg him to take my Arrow 
antenna I loaned him home to work on it. Back to the linear birds for me :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message----- 
From: R.T.Liddy
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:30 PM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for 
Beginning and Experienced Operators

KG5JUP,

The AMSAT BB is open to all & no membership/dues required.

Anyone can comment on whatever is posted on it, which you did.

Someone volunteered their time to summarize what many folks feel
are good operating procedures. Without guidelines, there would
continue to be the chaos on the FM Satellites that has been seen.

New people should appreciate having guidance on how to operate
on a shared resource. Otherwise, they merely contribute to the chaos.

FYI, there is no voting on a volunteered set of guidelines. You either
follow them or you don't. They aren't Rules.

You could have suggested a rewording of portions of the guidelines
and asked for discussion and a reissue. Instead, you inferred that the
SATs are being controlled by only certain individuals and they are
whiners.

Now, why don't you tell the users here what you feel should be different
in those guidelines based on your experience and observations. Then,
people can comment on the pros and cons of your ideas. Perhaps, the
guidelines can be improved.

TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL

P.S. Please sign your posts with your Name/Call so we know who you are.




________________________________
From: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com>
To: R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for 
Beginning and Experienced Operators



Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how 
the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site 
with out a vote or discussion.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>
Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00)
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
  Beginning and Experienced Operators

Dave,

Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.

Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.

Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?

Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.

Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!

73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593)

________________________________
From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for 
Beginning and Experienced Operators



Christopher,


I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If

that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.


Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.


-Dave, KG5CCI


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:


>

> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful 
> of

> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

>

> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From bill.g.dillon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 22:23:00 2017
From: bill.g.dillon at gmail.com (Bill Dillon)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:23:00 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
	<894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
	<227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
Message-ID: <CADnLNZzTPeWFQVSqwDJTWbjtW-5TZDD6P1ukATE_VL8hF94nFA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to see Sean's guidelines included in the next "Getting Started
with Amateur Satellites" book.  Listening, Courtesy, and Situational
Awareness prevents many problems.

73 de Bill, KG5FQX

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 PM, <kb2mjeff at att.net> wrote:

> There are two things that are  sad about all of this is...
>  The discussion about the FM satellites has been going on for as long as
> I've been working the sats, coming up on 30 years. Geez am I getting old.
> It will never change. What happens is as the newness of AO-91 wears off it
> will settle down. it always does Let's all be patient.
>  The second thing is I wouldn't even be involved in this discussion, I
> know better but I elmered my good friend Russ kl1nk today on two passes of
> AO-91. The first pass low over the Caribbean went well, he made two
> contacts, the second high pass  over the US was a disaster. He didn't make
> a single contact, as far as I can tell he wasn't even heard. He could not
> believe what a mess it was. I told him the SSB satellites were much more
> relaxed, but being retired on a fixed income, I don't think he has the
> money to invest in the required equipment. Trying to get new people
> interested in sat operation is a very hard sell. I had to almost beg him to
> take my Arrow antenna I loaned him home to work on it. Back to the linear
> birds for me :-)
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
> -----Original Message----- From: R.T.Liddy
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: AMSAT BB
>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> KG5JUP,
>
> The AMSAT BB is open to all & no membership/dues required.
>
> Anyone can comment on whatever is posted on it, which you did.
>
> Someone volunteered their time to summarize what many folks feel
> are good operating procedures. Without guidelines, there would
> continue to be the chaos on the FM Satellites that has been seen.
>
> New people should appreciate having guidance on how to operate
> on a shared resource. Otherwise, they merely contribute to the chaos.
>
> FYI, there is no voting on a volunteered set of guidelines. You either
> follow them or you don't. They aren't Rules.
>
> You could have suggested a rewording of portions of the guidelines
> and asked for discussion and a reissue. Instead, you inferred that the
> SATs are being controlled by only certain individuals and they are
> whiners.
>
> Now, why don't you tell the users here what you feel should be different
> in those guidelines based on your experience and observations. Then,
> people can comment on the pros and cons of your ideas. Perhaps, the
> guidelines can be improved.
>
> TNX/73,     Bob  K8BL
>
> P.S. Please sign your posts with your Name/Call so we know who you are.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com>
> To: R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
>
>
> Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how
> the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site
> with out a vote or discussion.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>
> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00)
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>  Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
>
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
>
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
>
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
>
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
>
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593)
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
>
>
> Christopher,
>
>
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
>
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
>
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
>
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
>
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
>
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
>
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
>
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
>
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If
>
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
>
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
>
>
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
>
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
>
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
>
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
>
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
>
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
>
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
>
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
>
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
>
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
>
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
>
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
>>
>
> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of
>>
>
> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
>>
>
> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>>
>
>
>>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
>>
>
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
>>
>
> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
>>
>
> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>>
>
>   Beginning and Experienced Operators
>>
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From kg5jup at gmail.com  Wed Dec 13 22:28:24 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (Chris Bradley)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:28:24 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Operating suggestions
Message-ID: <CANk-AFuqbfjv2ciV6tB5xTFw60Q9Za0YAySB4ULcx6V_cs2WzQ@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies for taking it to far over the last 24 or so hours.  I felt and
continue to feel like the operating suggestions were well written but to me
seemed a little like a rant from a serious DXer and seemed like it would
have been better served being written and posted when the author was not
complaining about the poor practices of others.  What made this matter
worse is when my opinion was immediately shouted down because I do t
operate the birdies.  When in fact I said early on in this thread that on
three occasions while still under my previous call sign KG5jUP (now AA5EM)
that I had went through the time and expense to make a contact on the birds
and was unsuccessful because of I am sure my nubbie-curve and the very
problem that the suggestions are aimed to relive

>From my perspective the
suggestions were written a little in favor of the DXers in our community
which would make sense considering the author is into this part of this
niche' hobby.  I will just be bold and say it. I mentioned a vote because
as an incorporated organization AMSAT allowing someone to post a set of
suggestions to their official site to the unknowing individual looks as if
it is the AMSAT way.  It was a matter of perception for me.  I admit, the
vote comment was actually dark sarcasm based on the goings on from the
previous string of messages that in my opinion were passive aggressive and
someone called the authors out on the matter.  When I said I didn't get a
vote I was being sarcastic about those operators who feel entitled and
superior to operators like myself who are not on the birds daily.  \

All of this went to far with Dave Swanson and his unabashedly rude comments
to and about me.  So for the record I do not think that Sean's suggestions
should have been arbitrarily posted to the AMSAT homepage because in my
humble opinion the suggestions offer my protectionism for dxers.  Though I
do agree that something needs to be done.  Amateur radio is supposed to be
a self governing  body because Lord knows we do not want the Federal
government regulating us.

Finally,  I have NOT worked a satellite and I am not in anyone's logs but
as a member of this organization I believe that EVERY MEMBER should have an
opinion and not shouted down by the dxers when they are questioned.  If
this is not the case then please by all means send my refund to my QTH
until such time please be kind to all and less like a bully.  IF there are
any questions please feel free to pose them I will never shout you down.

PS.  AMSAT was the first organization I joined after becoming a ham even
before my local ARC. At each ARC meeting I present AMSAT related news and
updates to the sigrin on the membership.  Their eyes roll at me and I still
present the latest I am proud to be a member of this group and had even
considered attempting to build local interest and start a net and/or a club
locally.  I am a disabled veteran (still working full time but barely) and
my wife is extremely illl as she needs a kidney transplant so for now I am
not "active' but I volunteer for the ANS to help do my part and learn from
you all.


Thank you,



AA5EM


Chris Bradley



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From KA9QJG at COMCAST.NET  Wed Dec 13 22:31:23 2017
From: KA9QJG at COMCAST.NET (KA9QJG)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:31:23 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices
	for	Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com><5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>	<894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
	<227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
Message-ID: <006c01d37462$1babfe70$5303fb50$@COMCAST.NET>


Been a Ham over 40 yrs have not actually worked the sats much other than
listen,  I do have  friends who have   Here is a Question  I would like a
real answer on .. I have been told other than the expense the reason We do
not have a geostationary fixed Sat . Is that We would unfortunately have
Hams that would just set on their and rag chew all the time and tie it up we
all know they type .. Is there any actual truth to this theory  I have herd
of some now that get bigger antennas  and Amps to stay in longer in the pass
, I would think that would knock out the little Guys trying to enjoy  it
too... 

73 and Happy Holidays 

Don KA9QJG 


From n0jy at amsat.org  Wed Dec 13 23:30:37 2017
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:30:37 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <006c01d37462$1babfe70$5303fb50$@COMCAST.NET>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
	<894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
	<227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
	<006c01d37462$1babfe70$5303fb50$@COMCAST.NET>
Message-ID: <85c36643-32d5-6902-84a2-3bfc11149b86@amsat.org>

Don,

While someone may have opined that, from the AMSAT perspective the
expense is the reason.? The designs for Phase 4B include ragchewing and
uplink power (other than the minimums required) would make no difference
in who is on or not.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 12/13/2017 16:31, KA9QJG wrote:
> Been a Ham over 40 yrs have not actually worked the sats much other than
> listen,  I do have  friends who have   Here is a Question  I would like a
> real answer on .. I have been told other than the expense the reason We do
> not have a geostationary fixed Sat . Is that We would unfortunately have
> Hams that would just set on their and rag chew all the time and tie it up we
> all know they type .. Is there any actual truth to this theory  I have herd
> of some now that get bigger antennas  and Amps to stay in longer in the pass
> , I would think that would knock out the little Guys trying to enjoy  it
> too... 
>
> 73 and Happy Holidays 
>
> Don KA9QJG 
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hamdan at ix.netcom.com  Thu Dec 14 00:22:45 2017
From: hamdan at ix.netcom.com (Bernie and Cheryl)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:22:45 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
 Beginning and Experienced Operators
In-Reply-To: <227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
References: <995276668.4770045.1513189250601@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5a31896a.13bbdf0a.381a2.6e77@mx.google.com>
	<894657015.4959096.1513200612540@mail.yahoo.com>
	<227E1055727E4F7D9825E3FC374C31B9@kb2m4PC>
Message-ID: <fdfa3d27-1226-9932-4815-cb461487895b@ix.netcom.com>

I have several more comments.

I do think Sean's draft is reasonable.? I'd hesitate to say it ought to 
have force of law (and indeed, it is likely unenforceable in any event) 
because there's no one absolute "right" way to operate, other than 
what's laid out in FCC regulations. Certainly, one of the reasons I've 
never been a grid chaser is that I've simply been working too much at my 
job to spend the time doing it.? Now that I am retired, I have been 
devoting more time to ham radio, and indeed, am taking steps to upgrade 
my satellite operating position (primarily automating tracking and 
auto-adjusting for doppler).? But, the fact that I operated in small 
spurts on the satellites for years before retirement leads to one of my 
concerns about always stepping aside for "DX grids". Many on here have 
commented that other passes will occur for people who aren't interested 
in the grid chase.? For me, that one or two passes available on a 
Saturday were usually the only passes I had available to me, regardless 
of whether someone was on there with a rare grid (I don't /think/ I've 
ever been a lid and stepped on someone during a pass but it could have 
happened).? So, what is the response to folks who don't have the 
opportunity to get on for multiple passes of a bird in a short period of 
time? What do you say to the newbie who is on for maybe the 4th or 5th 
time, from a very non-rare grid and just wants to make some contacts?? 
In asking the questions, I don't mean to say (as I stated earlier on 
this thread) that people never have to step aside for grid chasers.? I'm 
only trying to show that it's not so easy for everyone as has been inferred.

Another comment I have is a fairly narrow concern that arose during the 
course of this thread.? Some commenters have suggested that some folks 
shouldn't express their opinions because they don't show up in enough 
logbooks.? This kind of attitude, at least to me, seems to reinforce the 
idea that a commentator made regarding the satellite community being 
somewhat closed off. Although experienced satellite operators' opinions 
should certainly be given weight, the opinion of someone who doesn't 
show up in enough logs but has expressed an interest in satellites and 
is a dues-paying AMSAT member shouldn't be ignored merely on that 
basis.? After all, as another commenttator noted, it's not necessarily 
easy to get people to get into satellite operation and I'd hate to see 
new folks turned off by a cliquish attitude. Please understand that I'm 
not pointing fingers, but am just suggesting that all reasonable 
opinions need to be heard.? I practiced law for 38 years, and I used to 
get some of my best ideas for my cases from my lay-clients.? We need to 
listen because we don't know where the next good idea is going to originate.

That said, I had a lot of fun yesterday, turning on my satellite rig, 
hearing voices immediately, and realizing that my antenna array was 
pointing directly at AO-91 just a couple of minutes before LOS.? Before 
it sunk below the horizon, I was able to work WD9EWK who was roving in a 
(I believe but don't know for sure because I can't tell which grid is 
which off the top of my head) not particularly active grid in Arizona.? 
I've now worked Pat on about 5 different satellites over a number of 
years and I appreciate getting to work him on so many different birds 
(anyone remember AO-27?? I worked Pat on that bird in 2006).? After 
AO-91 dipped below the horizon, I looked at my tracking program and 
realized that I was in AO-7's footprint.? I was able to work two SSB 
stations and one CW station throughout the rest of that pass. It's a 
hoot to work sophisticated satellites with a mode (CW) that lay people 
think is antiquated.

I say this just to try and tell you all that I truly love this hobby 
(especially the satellite aspect), and I have a lot of fun with it.? 
That's why I care so much about this discussion.

73 de Bernie, KF0QS


On 12/13/2017 3:00 PM, kb2mjeff at att.net wrote:
> There are two things that are? sad about all of this is...
> ?The discussion about the FM satellites has been going on for as long 
> as I've been working the sats, coming up on 30 years. Geez am I 
> getting old. It will never change. What happens is as the newness of 
> AO-91 wears off it will settle down. it always does Let's all be patient.
> ?The second thing is I wouldn't even be involved in this discussion, I 
> know better but I elmered my good friend Russ kl1nk today on two 
> passes of AO-91. The first pass low over the Caribbean went well, he 
> made two contacts, the second high pass over the US was a disaster. He 
> didn't make a single contact, as far as I can tell he wasn't even 
> heard. He could not believe what a mess it was. I told him the SSB 
> satellites were much more relaxed, but being retired on a fixed 
> income, I don't think he has the money to invest in the required 
> equipment. Trying to get new people interested in sat operation is a 
> very hard sell. I had to almost beg him to take my Arrow antenna I 
> loaned him home to work on it. Back to the linear birds for me :-)
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
> -----Original Message----- From: R.T.Liddy
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for 
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> KG5JUP,
>
> The AMSAT BB is open to all & no membership/dues required.
>
> Anyone can comment on whatever is posted on it, which you did.
>
> Someone volunteered their time to summarize what many folks feel
> are good operating procedures. Without guidelines, there would
> continue to be the chaos on the FM Satellites that has been seen.
>
> New people should appreciate having guidance on how to operate
> on a shared resource. Otherwise, they merely contribute to the chaos.
>
> FYI, there is no voting on a volunteered set of guidelines. You either
> follow them or you don't. They aren't Rules.
>
> You could have suggested a rewording of portions of the guidelines
> and asked for discussion and a reissue. Instead, you inferred that the
> SATs are being controlled by only certain individuals and they are
> whiners.
>
> Now, why don't you tell the users here what you feel should be different
> in those guidelines based on your experience and observations. Then,
> people can comment on the pros and cons of your ideas. Perhaps, the
> guidelines can be improved.
>
> TNX/73,???? Bob? K8BL
>
> P.S. Please sign your posts with your Name/Call so we know who you are.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com>
> To: R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for 
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
>
>
> Hello there!? I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was 
> how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to 
> AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>
> Date: 12/13/17? 12:20? (GMT-06:00)
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
> ?Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
>
> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving
> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care
> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing
> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
>
> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting
> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy
> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that
> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
>
> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of
> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would
> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
>
> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do
> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when
> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating
> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that
> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
>
> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!? de Bob K8BL? (AMSAT #6593)
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for 
> Beginning and Experienced Operators
>
>
>
> Christopher,
>
>
> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do 
> you
>
> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
>
> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not 
> saying
>
> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
>
> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
>
> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
>
> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
>
> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
>
> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.? If
>
> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate 
> what
>
> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
>
>
> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go 
> back
>
> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
>
> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
>
> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
>
> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of 
> exactly
>
> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
>
> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I 
> for one
>
> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to 
> put
>
> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
>
> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
>
> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
>
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>
>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
>
>> input.? I am a paying member I had no input.? Honest feel like a 
>> handful of
>
>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
>
>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.
>
>>
>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>
>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
>
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17 21:48? (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
>
>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: 
>> [amsat-bb]
>
>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
>
>> ? Beginning and Experienced Operators
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From va6bmj at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 02:31:34 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 02:31:34 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Analysis from Tuesday's attempt
In-Reply-To: <685FC9145EEF43B4833F006BE5D79C19@OsbornesPC>
References: <685FC9145EEF43B4833F006BE5D79C19@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkO+8YsCWj5Hhi1wiQNhky9ZQFdS8_zRYW3dF8k5eBH9Dw@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/17, Wendy and Terry Osborne <wandtosborne at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rocket have released their analysis from Tuesday.
>
> ?Analysis of yesterday's launch attempt is complete. Launch was aborted due
> to rising liquid oxygen temperatures - the result of a LOx chilldown bleed
> schedule not compatible with the warm conditions of the day. The fix is
> simple. Next attempt tomorrow! #StillTesting ?.
>
> Well it was about 30 degrees C (86 F) at the Launch site and the rocket is
> black.
>
> The weather forecast for the launch site today is for showers this morning
> but clearing this afternoon.
> First rain for about a month.
> See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab for updates.

<snip>

Launch scrubbed due to high upper level winds.  Next attempt possibly tomorrow.

73

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From AJ9N at aol.com  Thu Dec 14 03:04:51 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:04:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-14 03:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <5c8fe1.ed8a21a.47634453@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-14  03:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Taipei Municipal Ximen Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C., direct 
via BN?SM 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP 
Contact is a go  for: Thu 2017-12-21 08:49:07 UTC 72  deg

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ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

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***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126  
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-14 03:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1199.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1148.   
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-12 18:00  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From dxdx at optonline.net  Thu Dec 14 05:27:27 2017
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:27:27 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat BBS Turned Off
Message-ID: <fab12054-0a67-6298-3703-8adc26215528@optonline.net>

Looks like Falconsat's BBS has been turned off. Something we can expect 
to happen now and then?

Tony -K2MO


From scott23192 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 05:37:51 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:37:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat BBS Turned Off
In-Reply-To: <fab12054-0a67-6298-3703-8adc26215528@optonline.net>
References: <fab12054-0a67-6298-3703-8adc26215528@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4677C5A5495E448EBAF6B52908413B1B@CSI9020>

Hello!

There was a tweet about that earlier this evening:

https://twitter.com/AMSAT/status/941143593523261440


-Scott,  K4KDR




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:27 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat BBS Turned Off

Looks like Falconsat's BBS has been turned off. Something we can expect
to happen now and then?

Tony -K2MO 


From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Thu Dec 14 22:26:18 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:26:18 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Now that AO-91 has been going strong for about 3 weeks, maybe it is
time to come up with something for it on Experimenter's Wednesdays,
like we have seen with SSTV on AO-85. Although I think the SSTV has
run its course and maybe something else should be tried, I'm not
suggesting any particular change to AO-85 on Wednesdays. This is
only intended as a suggestion for AO-91.

After Sean KX9X published his recent document with a list of good
operating practices for FM satellites:

https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/

my suggestion would be a way to encourage this, especially focusing
on one item. I tweeted a little earlier this afternoon the following:

"An AO-91 Experimenter's Wednesday suggestion: 5W or less, ideally
using HTs or portable setups & handheld directional antennas or
whips/duckies. Let's take full advantage of how well this satellite
hears & can be heard on the ground."

One comment I received on Twitter questioned having something for
Experimenter's Wednesdays on both AO-85 and AO-91, suggesting that
another day of the week should be used for AO-91. I disagreed with
that, given that it is "Experimenter's Wednesday". Unlike with AO-85
where the focus has been SSTV, my suggestion would still allow for
FM voice QSOs on AO-91 - but with a focus on using less power and
smaller stations. This would also go directly to the recommendations
that were recently published.

For those who may be concerned about doing something like this on
2 of the 3 FM satellites, there has been Experimenter's Wednesday
SSTV activity for a while now. Most of the time, this has been done
when we only had two working FM satellites (AO-85, SO-50). Maybe we
could see some coast-to-coast QSOs on AO-91 where both stations are
using power levels at 50mW or 100mW, for example.

Thanks, and 73!






Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK

From k.alexander at rogers.com  Thu Dec 14 22:38:49 2017
From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:38:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1781544429.3431151.1513291129846@mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds interesting!? How about (for the day) we add our transmitter power to the exchange, for example "FN03 100mW".? It will help reinforce the concept that only minimal power is required.
73,
KenVE3HLS

      From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:27 PM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
   
Hi!

Now that AO-91 has been going strong for about 3 weeks, maybe it is
time to come up with something for it on Experimenter's Wednesdays,
like we have seen with SSTV on AO-85. Although I think the SSTV has
run its course and maybe something else should be tried, I'm not
suggesting any particular change to AO-85 on Wednesdays. This is
only intended as a suggestion for AO-91.

After Sean KX9X published his recent document with a list of good
operating practices for FM satellites:

https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/

my suggestion would be a way to encourage this, especially focusing
on one item. I tweeted a little earlier this afternoon the following:

"An AO-91 Experimenter's Wednesday suggestion: 5W or less, ideally
using HTs or portable setups & handheld directional antennas or
whips/duckies. Let's take full advantage of how well this satellite
hears & can be heard on the ground."

One comment I received on Twitter questioned having something for
Experimenter's Wednesdays on both AO-85 and AO-91, suggesting that
another day of the week should be used for AO-91. I disagreed with
that, given that it is "Experimenter's Wednesday". Unlike with AO-85
where the focus has been SSTV, my suggestion would still allow for
FM voice QSOs on AO-91 - but with a focus on using less power and
smaller stations. This would also go directly to the recommendations
that were recently published.

For those who may be concerned about doing something like this on
2 of the 3 FM satellites, there has been Experimenter's Wednesday
SSTV activity for a while now. Most of the time, this has been done
when we only had two working FM satellites (AO-85, SO-50). Maybe we
could see some coast-to-coast QSOs on AO-91 where both stations are
using power levels at 50mW or 100mW, for example.

Thanks, and 73!






Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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From howied231 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 13 14:09:42 2017
From: howied231 at hotmail.com (Howie DeFelice)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:09:42 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab abort
Message-ID: <BLUPR17MB0164D8393402CA7BE7FA9DECE7350@BLUPR17MB0164.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Since there seemed to be some interest in this, this article explains what happened. I'm looking forward to their success !


http://satnews.com/story.php?number=932255626&menu=1



Howie

AB2S

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Thu Dec 14 22:45:04 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:45:04 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <1781544429.3431151.1513291129846@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1781544429.3431151.1513291129846@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUeo2QGEbn=46Wcmh8a5jwCsvFwAN29TQNh737dX1rJ33g@mail.gmail.com>

Ken,

I'm fine with that. I have been doing some of that already
when I work AO-91 with some of the HT/antenna combinations
I have used, and also varying power levels. I even mention the
elevation at my QTH on some transmissions, in part so I have
a record of that when trying something different.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK







On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
wrote:

> Sounds interesting!  How about (for the day) we add our transmitter power
> to the exchange, for example "FN03 100mW".  It will help reinforce the
> concept that only minimal power is required.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken
> VE3HLS
>
>
>
>

From k8bl at ameritech.net  Mon Dec 11 03:26:32 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <16043889249-1b25-32c2e@webjas-vae118.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <015b01d37211$5999d2a0$0ccd77e0$@org>
	<16043889249-1b25-32c2e@webjas-vae118.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <1431792473.2470238.1512962792442@mail.yahoo.com>

Please include your Call when posting so we have a clue who you are.
TNX/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL

      From: Scott via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: daron at wilson.org; hamdan at ix.netcom.com; amsat-bb at amsat.org 
 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
   
I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift - and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds - but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen, and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time, daron at wilson.org writes:

?
 Thanks Bernie, 

I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.

Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.

I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in. 

There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.

For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.

73
Daron N7HQR CN74

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie 
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating 
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in 
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a 
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the 
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is 
> open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm 
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last 
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. 
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much 
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being 
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if 
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always 
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of 
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint 
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I 
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating 
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, 
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use 
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the 
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select 
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared 
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". 
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out 
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that 
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be 
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first 
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I 
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have 
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did 
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches 
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 

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From jim at beeson.cc  Thu Dec 14 23:56:15 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:56:15 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
Message-ID: <ec72ecb60be935ca32cd927562361034.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>




Does anyone use the Wouxun RG-UV8D handie for any sats? If so would you mind sharing your program (.KG) file? Thanks!
73's
Jim
WA5QAP

From k8bl at ameritech.net  Thu Dec 14 23:56:37 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:56:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
In-Reply-To: <1431792473.2470238.1512962792442@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <015b01d37211$5999d2a0$0ccd77e0$@org>
	<16043889249-1b25-32c2e@webjas-vae118.srv.aolmail.net>
	<1431792473.2470238.1512962792442@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <191847970.5762062.1513295797592@mail.yahoo.com>

WTH? ?This msg was sent 12/10 at 10:05 PM. WHY is it just
coming out NOW - 4 DAYS LATER? ? ? ? ? ?
Bob ?K8BL

      From: R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net>
 To: "ka9p at aol.com" <ka9p at aol.com>; "daron at wilson.org" <daron at wilson.org>; "hamdan at ix.netcom.com" <hamdan at ix.netcom.com>; "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
   
Please include your Call when posting so we have a clue who you are.
TNX/73, ? ? ?Bob ?K8BL

? ? ? From: Scott via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
 To: daron at wilson.org; hamdan at ix.netcom.com; amsat-bb at amsat.org 
 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
? 
I've got to go with the crowd that thinks poor operating needs to be called out, particularly on the FM birds.
?
The ARRL has called out bad operating publicly in QST since Hiram Percy Maxim's "The Old Man" rants (their words, not mine) - feedback is a gift - and if folks don't call it out, it can't improve.
?
I won't go into the issue of old timers repeatedly chatting on busy FM birds - but will point out there are a number that very patiently wait and listen, and with a very potent signal call newcomers that are trying to have a first QSO or two, making the new guy very happy and setting a good example for everyone.?
?
For those that shy from social media - if you were to look - you'd find DX operators severely discouraged by rotten operating, and being fairly vocal about why they don't think it's worth the effort. ?Adrian's post is yet another example of the same thing.
?
You can't shrug off what's happening with "the kids are new." The kind of behavior that one wrote about, and that I listened to, was several operators in a row calling without anyone waiting for the station called to acknowledge the calling operator. ?Lack of situational awareness is a kind description of it.
?
Public shamming of a new guy getting his feet wet probably isn't the way to go, but Paul didn't seem to suggest that except as a last resort. ?Those FM birds are a very scarce resource, put up there by some very dedicated people that spent alot of time and effort to make it happen. They are often available for less than an hour a day each to the entire ham population.
?
People need to actively reach out to folks that need help, in an encouraging way where it's innocent enough, and in a more direct way where it's thoughtless or worse.
?
And we probably have to ask ourselves how it is that new comers show up with so little an idea about what's expected. ?I can't imagine that happening with anyone from Matt's radio club for example, but if you're encouraging folks to try satellites, make sure you educate them about how to go about it, beyond buying an HT and an Arrow and pointing it up.
?
Rant over. ?TOM
?
In a message dated 12/10/2017 5:55:27 PM Central Standard Time, daron at wilson.org writes:

?
 Thanks Bernie, 

I think you hit most of the highpoints. All operating is about courtesy, it
should be a highlight for us at all times. However please remember that
amateur radio operators are in the hobby for different reasons.

Some folks hang works of art and family photos on the wall, some folks like
certificates. Some folks like to have a conversation on the radio, some
folks prefer to exchange only callsign, grid and signal and do not wish to
talk further. Some folks might be very well technologically connected and
choose (or not) to use that connectivity for amateur radio planning, while
others may prefer to use amateur radio without being dependant on social
media. Some folks sit in a hamshack with multiple radios, computer access,
tracking systems and 'plan' their contacts based on a footprint...others
stand in the yard with a yagi and two handhelds and just work whomever comes
up.

I'm not a contester, but I sure like to pick up a new grid square and more
importantly as one who has roved and done satellite work, I like to share
them when I can be helpful. The satellites are a limited resource, we need
to take turns and let others in. 

There have been west coast passes where I've listened to the downlink and
I'm the ONLY one on the pass. I've had passes where I could visit with
someone a few states away for most of the pass, stopping between comments to
ask if anyone else wants in. And I've had passes where I tried for 5
minutes and couldn't squeak my callsign in.

For the most part I think we're all willing to play nice, but certainly we
need a reminder and there is no doubt we need to continue educating people
how to use satellites.

73
Daron N7HQR CN74

> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bernie 
> and Cheryl
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:27 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
> 
> Dear Folks:
> 
> I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that 
> when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back 
> off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX".
> Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating 
> that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other 
> posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not 
> preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in 
> question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on
QRZ.com.
> 
> The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my
> knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur 
> on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a 
> section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything 
> on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has 
> nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the 
> satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is 
> open to all comers.
> 
> Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of 
> people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, 
> and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed 
> on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve 
> their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, 
> i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
> 
> His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other 
> steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm 
> not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last 
> year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. 
> Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much 
> preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being 
> able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if 
> I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always 
> know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of 
> the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint 
> won't always know what's happening at that moment.
> 
> I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I 
> felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating 
> very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, 
> given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use 
> them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the 
> bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select 
> group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared 
> resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up
unintentionally.
> I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on 
> the internet.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". 
> I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
> 
> Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly 
> once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their 
> opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out 
> grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that 
> the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be 
> beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first 
> satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I 
> was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have 
> been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did 
> something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
> 
> All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a 
> modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that 
> someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches 
> at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter
> repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite
> community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
> 
> See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
> 

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From johnki4ro at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 00:14:08 2017
From: johnki4ro at gmail.com (John KI4RO)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:14:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
Message-ID: <CA+-NL40YKAtLVyQfi6AB+NNErB0ez+qdE=dGntKWMO00LgQBFA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have a Wouxon Jim, but I use CHIRP to program my Baofengs and a
BTech....would you be interested in those files?

73
John KI4RO

From yooperpete at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 00:26:59 2017
From: yooperpete at gmail.com (Peter)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:26:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D72 SAT users
Message-ID: <1ff60a94-4c11-0aa4-608e-cfbf976fb981@gmail.com>

A SAT newbie here.

I would like to set my HT(TH-D72) up pulling audio off the HT for 
recording and also use a headset. The connectors for the HT are unusual 
(for me). I would like to have users contact me off list (k8pt at arrl.net) 
and tell me what adapters, headsets you are using to accomplish this. 
Thanks. Sorry for off topic questions.

Thanks and 73, Peter-K8PT

-- 
B. Peter Treml, K8PT
4425 Spruce St.
Philadelphia,PA 19104

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From waisean at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 00:44:02 2017
From: waisean at gmail.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:44:02 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D72 SAT users
In-Reply-To: <1ff60a94-4c11-0aa4-608e-cfbf976fb981@gmail.com>
References: <1ff60a94-4c11-0aa4-608e-cfbf976fb981@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGz_XJx5LrSiGXHEPHHVM3Y1F6uTu2WzFODsBFh3gfirwZaYrw@mail.gmail.com>

I use a 2.5mm male that 3.5mm male cable into a 3.5mm splitter, with all
female connectors. Headphones go to one side, 3.5mm male to 3.5mm male
cable into an Olympus recorder.

73,
Sean WA1TE

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 19:38 Peter <yooperpete at gmail.com> wrote:

> A SAT newbie here.
>
> I would like to set my HT(TH-D72) up pulling audio off the HT for
> recording and also use a headset. The connectors for the HT are unusual
> (for me). I would like to have users contact me off list (k8pt at arrl.net)
> and tell me what adapters, headsets you are using to accomplish this.
> Thanks. Sorry for off topic questions.
>
> Thanks and 73, Peter-K8PT
>
> --
> B. Peter Treml, K8PT
> 4425 Spruce St.
> Philadelphia,PA 19104
>
> k8pt at arrl.net
>
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Dec 15 00:54:10 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:54:10 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D72 SAT users
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This is most definitely ON-TOPIC! Don?t apologize for the question. A lot
of people want to know the answer!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 19:44 Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use a 2.5mm male that 3.5mm male cable into a 3.5mm splitter, with all
> female connectors. Headphones go to one side, 3.5mm male to 3.5mm male
> cable into an Olympus recorder.
>
> 73,
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 19:38 Peter <yooperpete at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A SAT newbie here.
> >
> > I would like to set my HT(TH-D72) up pulling audio off the HT for
> > recording and also use a headset. The connectors for the HT are unusual
> > (for me). I would like to have users contact me off list (k8pt at arrl.net)
> > and tell me what adapters, headsets you are using to accomplish this.
> > Thanks. Sorry for off topic questions.
> >
> > Thanks and 73, Peter-K8PT
> >
> > --
> > B. Peter Treml, K8PT
> > 4425 Spruce St.
> > Philadelphia,PA 19104
> >
> > k8pt at arrl.net
> >
> >
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From maccody at att.net  Fri Dec 15 01:53:25 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:53:25 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>

Patrick,

This is certainly a fine idea, which may very well gain traction.? If
I may, though, I'd like to propose an alternative experiment. Given
the recent (and ongoing) disaster and recovery in Puerto Rico after
Hurricane Maria,I was wondering how amateur LEO satellites could be
used for emergency response (I know that the use case for the Phase IV
satellite terminal is emergency response.).? While DX and chasing grid
squares is great fun (I do both myself.), I am hoping that there might
be a way that LEO satellites could be used as a public service resource.

Traditionally, long-distance emergency response has relied upon shortwave
communications.? It takes a bit of infrastructure cost to set up and
operate a shortwave station.? Effective antenna deployment, available
transceiver equipment, and a sufficient power supply are considerations
to be addressed.? Perhaps, a pair of hand-held radios (or single full-
duplex), an Arrow antenna, and a computer (Raspberry Pi) could be used to
send and receive emergency messages via LEO satellites and might be a viable
alternative.? The messages could be sent digitally via, say, Narrow Band
Emergency Messaging System (NBEMS) to improve reliability of transcription.

I'm sure that you or someone else might say "Use the APRS birds for
emergency response messaging.".? That may be a fair statement, but my
idea might, at least, be an interesting experiment to try.? An experiment
is still valuable when it shows that an idea does not work!

73,

Mac Cody / AE5PH

On 12/14/2017 04:26 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Now that AO-91 has been going strong for about 3 weeks, maybe it is
> time to come up with something for it on Experimenter's Wednesdays,
> like we have seen with SSTV on AO-85. Although I think the SSTV has
> run its course and maybe something else should be tried, I'm not
> suggesting any particular change to AO-85 on Wednesdays. This is
> only intended as a suggestion for AO-91.
>
> After Sean KX9X published his recent document with a list of good
> operating practices for FM satellites:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellites-good-operating-practices-for-beginning-and-experienced-operators/
>
> my suggestion would be a way to encourage this, especially focusing
> on one item. I tweeted a little earlier this afternoon the following:
>
> "An AO-91 Experimenter's Wednesday suggestion: 5W or less, ideally
> using HTs or portable setups & handheld directional antennas or
> whips/duckies. Let's take full advantage of how well this satellite
> hears & can be heard on the ground."
>
> One comment I received on Twitter questioned having something for
> Experimenter's Wednesdays on both AO-85 and AO-91, suggesting that
> another day of the week should be used for AO-91. I disagreed with
> that, given that it is "Experimenter's Wednesday". Unlike with AO-85
> where the focus has been SSTV, my suggestion would still allow for
> FM voice QSOs on AO-91 - but with a focus on using less power and
> smaller stations. This would also go directly to the recommendations
> that were recently published.
>
> For those who may be concerned about doing something like this on
> 2 of the 3 FM satellites, there has been Experimenter's Wednesday
> SSTV activity for a while now. Most of the time, this has been done
> when we only had two working FM satellites (AO-85, SO-50). Maybe we
> could see some coast-to-coast QSOs on AO-91 where both stations are
> using power levels at 50mW or 100mW, for example.
>
> Thanks, and 73!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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From waisean at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 02:03:02 2017
From: waisean at gmail.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:03:02 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS birds
Message-ID: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

There was a comment on the recent experimenters thread about using the APRS
birds. I'm new at this game - I've made 2 satellite QSOs so far - and would
love to know more. Is there a good document on how to use these satellites,
and maybe some tips on how to get a TH-D72A to do it? I've only used it to
beacon APRS, messaging with the service isn't something I've tried.

Thanks and 73,
Sean WA1TE

From maccody at att.net  Fri Dec 15 02:16:31 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:16:31 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS birds
In-Reply-To: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fa002919-9fae-ed78-f67f-134ab57b0852@att.net>

Sean,

There are some good resources available on the AMSAT.org website.? I've 
listed
a couple below.? I'm sure that there are others that can chime in that have
actual experience workinghe APRS birds.Welcome to the AMSAT community.? Good
luck and have fun!

73,

Mac Cody - AE5PH

Get on the Air with ARISS Packet
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_ISS_Packet.pdf

Working Digipeaters with the Kenwood TH-D72A and TH-D74A
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_KenwoodHT_Packet.pdf

On 12/14/2017 08:03 PM, Sean Waite wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> There was a comment on the recent experimenters thread about using the APRS
> birds. I'm new at this game - I've made 2 satellite QSOs so far - and would
> love to know more. Is there a good document on how to use these satellites,
> and maybe some tips on how to get a TH-D72A to do it? I've only used it to
> beacon APRS, messaging with the service isn't something I've tried.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Sean WA1TE
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 02:18:03 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:18:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS birds
In-Reply-To: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKMWXT2_yhxr_2zZc7xYjJvKG6Yrt1v-VCuz4y=wkwfWqg@mail.gmail.com>

Ignore the references to UHF. It's back on 145.825

https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_KenwoodHT_Packet.pdf

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> There was a comment on the recent experimenters thread about using the APRS
> birds. I'm new at this game - I've made 2 satellite QSOs so far - and would
> love to know more. Is there a good document on how to use these satellites,
> and maybe some tips on how to get a TH-D72A to do it? I've only used it to
> beacon APRS, messaging with the service isn't something I've tried.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Sean WA1TE
> _______________________________________________
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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Dec 15 02:33:02 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:33:02 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mac!

You offer a good idea. I thought about things like that, but
came back to the simple fact that AO-91 still has the "new
car smell" for being the newest and (in my opinion) best
performing FM satellite we currently have. Especially given
the recent series of messages discussing the new document
Sean KX9X wrote, it might be better to hold off on anything
that limits the use of AO-91 to those who would have a
computer or other accessories to do the experiment. Once
we have another one or two FM satellites, Fox-1C and/or
Fox-1D, then it would be a great time to have something
else for the weekly experiments.

The APRS-capable satellites might be better for what you
propose, yes. Unfortunately, there is the issue of the
misuse of 145.825 MHz by stations automatically beaconing
their existence. Any experiment using ISS or NO-84 would
be tougher as you move east across the continental USA,
as well as some other parts of the world.

73!






Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK






On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:53 AM, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> This is certainly a fine idea, which may very well gain traction.  If
> I may, though, I'd like to propose an alternative experiment. Given
> the recent (and ongoing) disaster and recovery in Puerto Rico after
> Hurricane Maria,I was wondering how amateur LEO satellites could be
> used for emergency response (I know that the use case for the Phase IV
> satellite terminal is emergency response.).  While DX and chasing grid
> squares is great fun (I do both myself.), I am hoping that there might
> be a way that LEO satellites could be used as a public service resource.
>
> Traditionally, long-distance emergency response has relied upon shortwave
> communications.  It takes a bit of infrastructure cost to set up and
> operate a shortwave station.  Effective antenna deployment, available
> transceiver equipment, and a sufficient power supply are considerations
> to be addressed.  Perhaps, a pair of hand-held radios (or single full-
> duplex), an Arrow antenna, and a computer (Raspberry Pi) could be used to
> send and receive emergency messages via LEO satellites and might be a
> viable
> alternative.  The messages could be sent digitally via, say, Narrow Band
> Emergency Messaging System (NBEMS) to improve reliability of transcription.
>
> I'm sure that you or someone else might say "Use the APRS birds for
> emergency response messaging.".  That may be a fair statement, but my
> idea might, at least, be an interesting experiment to try.  An experiment
> is still valuable when it shows that an idea does not work!
>
> 73,
>
> Mac Cody / AE5PH
>
>

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 02:36:30 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:36:30 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Analysis from Tuesday's attempt
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkO+8YsCWj5Hhi1wiQNhky9ZQFdS8_zRYW3dF8k5eBH9Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <685FC9145EEF43B4833F006BE5D79C19@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkO+8YsCWj5Hhi1wiQNhky9ZQFdS8_zRYW3dF8k5eBH9Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkPZVUpRPCRuX6bwTAwB0yhaTvt4_gf8t7CMKBAC11VAXw@mail.gmail.com>

Today's launch attempt has been scrubbed due to an electrical problem.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From jim at beeson.cc  Fri Dec 15 03:39:40 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:39:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
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John, forgive me but what is CHIRP?

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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D

From: "John KI4RO" <johnki4ro at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, December 14, 2017 7:14 pm

To: amsat-bb at amsat.org

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> I don't have a Wouxon Jim, but I use CHIRP to program my Baofengs and a

> BTech....would you be interested in those files?

>

> 73

> John KI4RO

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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 03:44:00 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:44:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
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"CHIRP is a free, open-source tool for programming your amateur radio. It
supports a large number of manufacturers and models, as well as provides a
way to interface with multiple data sources and formats."

https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home


73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:39 PM,  <jim at beeson.cc> wrote:
>
>
>
> John, forgive me but what is CHIRP?
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
>
> From: "John KI4RO" <johnki4ro at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Thu, December 14, 2017 7:14 pm
>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>> I don't have a Wouxon Jim, but I use CHIRP to program my Baofengs and a
>
>> BTech....would you be interested in those files?
>
>>
>
>> 73
>
>> John KI4RO
>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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AMSAT-NA.
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From tjschuessler at verizon.net  Fri Dec 15 03:49:28 2017
From: tjschuessler at verizon.net (Tom Schuessler)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:49:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for experimenters Wednesday on AO-91
Message-ID: <35C72293-AEF7-4975-BAAD-53D2699541C6@verizon.net>

I think Patrick's suggestion is wonderful. I think especially the idea also presented that we add our power level to the normal Grid Square. It would really reinforce the mandate from the FCC rules that we should only be  using the minimum power required to affect communications. 

Tom. N5HYP


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:38:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
To: "amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net" <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>,    "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
   <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on
   AO-91
Message-ID: <1781544429.3431151.1513291129846 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Sounds interesting!? How about (for the day) we add our transmitter power to the exchange, for example "FN03 100mW".? It will help reinforce the concept that only minimal power is required.
73,
KenVE3HLS

From wageners at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 04:07:54 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:07:54 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for experimenters Wednesday on AO-91
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I am sorry if I offend anyone, but "*5W or less, ideally using HTs or
portable setups & handheld directional antennas or **whips/duckies*" is not
*experimental* al all. It is standard operating mode for a lot of people. I
hope we can up with something truly experimental.

Otherwise please call it "QRP, portable Wednesday" because that's what it
is. Nothing more.

73 Stefan, VE4NSA

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Tom Schuessler <tjschuessler at verizon.net>
wrote:

> I think Patrick's suggestion is wonderful. I think especially the idea
> also presented that we add our power level to the normal Grid Square. It
> would really reinforce the mandate from the FCC rules that we should only
> be  using the minimum power required to affect communications.
>
> Tom. N5HYP
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:38:49 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
> To: "amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net" <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>,    "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
>    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on
>    AO-91
> Message-ID: <1781544429.3431151.1513291129846 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Sounds interesting!? How about (for the day) we add our transmitter power
> to the exchange, for example "FN03 100mW".? It will help reinforce the
> concept that only minimal power is required.
> 73,
> KenVE3HLS
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From tjschuessler at verizon.net  Fri Dec 15 04:14:28 2017
From: tjschuessler at verizon.net (Tom Schuessler)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:14:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for experimenters Wednesday on AO-91
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	<CAKu8kHA+Q9O_bFkiE0px4Oatz-mtrM_VW-TS327Hyk0YAjZvzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1C65C31-D3A1-4426-8BE1-EDD0F414C69A@verizon.net>

OK call it something different than experimental but I still think it's a really good operating idea. I remember on AO-51 often times when they turned on the second FM channel, they encourage QRP or low-power operation. 

Tom. N5HYP

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 22:07, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am sorry if I offend anyone, but "5W or less, ideally using HTs or portable setups & handheld directional antennas or whips/duckies" is not experimental al all. It is standard operating mode for a lot of people. I hope we can up with something truly experimental. 
> 
> Otherwise please call it "QRP, portable Wednesday" because that's what it is. Nothing more.
> 
> 73 Stefan, VE4NSA
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Tom Schuessler <tjschuessler at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I think Patrick's suggestion is wonderful. I think especially the idea also presented that we add our power level to the normal Grid Square. It would really reinforce the mandate from the FCC rules that we should only be  using the minimum power required to affect communications.
>> 
>> Tom. N5HYP
>> 
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:38:49 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
>> To: "amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net" <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>,    "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
>>    <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on
>>    AO-91
>> Message-ID: <1781544429.3431151.1513291129846 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> Sounds interesting!? How about (for the day) we add our transmitter power to the exchange, for example "FN03 100mW".? It will help reinforce the concept that only minimal power is required.
>> 73,
>> KenVE3HLS
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From jim at beeson.cc  Fri Dec 15 04:15:17 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:15:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
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Thanks John! Yes sir I would like anything you have any configurations for the Wouxun or Yeasu handies. Thanks again John!

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------

Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D

From: "John Brier" <johnbrier at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, December 14, 2017 10:44 pm

To: jim at beeson.cc

Cc: "John KI4RO" <johnki4ro at gmail.com>

"amsat-bb" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>

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> "CHIRP is a free, open-source tool for programming your amateur radio. It

> supports a large number of manufacturers and models, as well as provides a

> way to interface with multiple data sources and formats."

>

> https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home

>

>

> 73, John Brier KG4AKV

>

> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:39 PM, <jim at beeson.cc> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> John, forgive me but what is CHIRP?

>>

>> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------

>>

>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D

>>

>>

From: "John KI4RO" <johnki4ro at gmail.com>

>>

>> Date: Thu, December 14, 2017 7:14 pm

>>

>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>>

>>

>>> I don't have a Wouxon Jim, but I use CHIRP to program my Baofengs and a

>>

>>> BTech....would you be interested in those files?

>>

>>>

>>

>>> 73

>>

>>> John KI4RO

>>

>>> _______________________________________________

>>

>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available

>>

>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.

> Opinions expressed

>>

>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of

> AMSAT-NA.

>>

>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite

> program!

>>

>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

>>

>>>

>> _______________________________________________

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From waisean at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 04:50:24 2017
From: waisean at gmail.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:50:24 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS birds
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References: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKMWXT2_yhxr_2zZc7xYjJvKG6Yrt1v-VCuz4y=wkwfWqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Mac and John, those are very helpful. The D72 specific one gave me
enough keywords that I could search the manual in a more useful fashion.
This radio does a ton of stuff.

No passes until tomorrow, so I have some for some more reading.

73,
Sean WA1TE

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:18 PM John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ignore the references to UHF. It's back on 145.825
>
>
> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_KenwoodHT_Packet.pdf
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > There was a comment on the recent experimenters thread about using the
> APRS
> > birds. I'm new at this game - I've made 2 satellite QSOs so far - and
> would
> > love to know more. Is there a good document on how to use these
> satellites,
> > and maybe some tips on how to get a TH-D72A to do it? I've only used it
> to
> > beacon APRS, messaging with the service isn't something I've tried.
> >
> > Thanks and 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
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From maccody at att.net  Fri Dec 15 05:11:02 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:11:02 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>
	<CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>

Patrick,

If, as you stated, SSTV has run its course, maybe Experimenter's
Wednesdays on AO-85 could be changed to experiment with EMCOMM using
NBEMS, thereby keeping AO-91 as free as possible.? Once that has
run its course, then move on to another experiment.? That would
keep things fresh.? I think a report on each experiment would be an
interesting series of articles in the AMSAT Journal.? I think
continuous experimentation is a good thing!

Mac Cody - AE5PH

On 12/14/2017 08:33 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> Hi Mac!
>
> You offer a good idea. I thought about things like that, but
> came back to the simple fact that AO-91 still has the "new
> car smell" for being the newest and (in my opinion) best
> performing FM satellite we currently have. Especially given
> the recent series of messages discussing the new document
> Sean KX9X wrote, it might be better to hold off on anything
> that limits the use of AO-91 to those who would have a
> computer or other accessories to do the experiment. Once
> we have another one or two FM satellites, Fox-1C and/or
> Fox-1D, then it would be a great time to have something
> else for the weekly experiments.
>
> The APRS-capable satellites might be better for what you
> propose, yes. Unfortunately, there is the issue of the
> misuse of 145.825 MHz by stations automatically beaconing
> their existence. Any experiment using ISS or NO-84 would
> be tougher as you move east across the continental USA,
> as well as some other parts of the world.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:53 AM, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net 
> <mailto:maccody at att.net>>wrote:
>
>     Patrick,
>
>     This is certainly a fine idea, which may very well gain traction.? If
>     I may, though, I'd like to propose an alternative experiment. Given
>     the recent (and ongoing) disaster and recovery in Puerto Rico after
>     Hurricane Maria,I was wondering how amateur LEO satellites could be
>     used for emergency response (I know that the use case for the Phase IV
>     satellite terminal is emergency response.).? While DX and chasing grid
>     squares is great fun (I do both myself.), I am hoping that there might
>     be a way that LEO satellites could be used as a public service
>     resource.
>
>     Traditionally, long-distance emergency response has relied upon
>     shortwave
>     communications.? It takes a bit of infrastructure cost to set up and
>     operate a shortwave station.? Effective antenna deployment, available
>     transceiver equipment, and a sufficient power supply are
>     considerations
>     to be addressed.? Perhaps, a pair of hand-held radios (or single full-
>     duplex), an Arrow antenna, and a computer (Raspberry Pi) could be
>     used to
>     send and receive emergency messages via LEO satellites and might
>     be a viable
>     alternative.? The messages could be sent digitally via, say,
>     Narrow Band
>     Emergency Messaging System (NBEMS) to improve reliability of
>     transcription.
>
>     I'm sure that you or someone else might say "Use the APRS birds for
>     emergency response messaging.".? That may be a fair statement, but my
>     idea might, at least, be an interesting experiment to try.? An
>     experiment
>     is still valuable when it shows that an idea does not work!
>
>     73,
>
>     Mac Cody / AE5PH
>


From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Dec 15 05:29:25 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 05:29:25 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>
	<CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUfKfwSecw+dAiSQMqoqqvG56A5A7QUPQj5ykfA23qDdAw@mail.gmail.com>

Mac,

Now that's a good idea. Otherwise, Wednesdays on AO-85
could be called SSTV Wednesdays, if that's the extent
of "Experimenter's Wednesdays" for that satellite. I would
be inclined to try NBEMS, something I've never used.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK



On Thursday, December 14, 2017, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> If, as you stated, SSTV has run its course, maybe Experimenter's
> Wednesdays on AO-85 could be changed to experiment with EMCOMM using
> NBEMS, thereby keeping AO-91 as free as possible.  Once that has
> run its course, then move on to another experiment.  That would
> keep things fresh.  I think a report on each experiment would be an
> interesting series of articles in the AMSAT Journal.  I think
> continuous experimentation is a good thing!
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
>
>
>
>

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 05:38:00 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:38:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUfKfwSecw+dAiSQMqoqqvG56A5A7QUPQj5ykfA23qDdAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com><d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net><CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com><fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>
	<CAN6TEUfKfwSecw+dAiSQMqoqqvG56A5A7QUPQj5ykfA23qDdAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFF607DDE3B5469FB774989B517E8FAB@CSI9020>

I've always been curious about NBEMS as well, Mac.

There is a fair amount of info on the subject online, but could you point me 
to any particular orientation how-to that might be geared to someone using 
it in a more informal setting such as how we might use it via an FM 
satellite?

-Scott,  K4KDR


========================

-----Original Message----- 
From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 12:29 AM
To: Mac A. Cody
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91

Mac,

Now that's a good idea. Otherwise, Wednesdays on AO-85
could be called SSTV Wednesdays, if that's the extent
of "Experimenter's Wednesdays" for that satellite. I would
be inclined to try NBEMS, something I've never used.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK



On Thursday, December 14, 2017, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> If, as you stated, SSTV has run its course, maybe Experimenter's
> Wednesdays on AO-85 could be changed to experiment with EMCOMM using
> NBEMS, thereby keeping AO-91 as free as possible.  Once that has
> run its course, then move on to another experiment.  That would
> keep things fresh.  I think a report on each experiment would be an
> interesting series of articles in the AMSAT Journal.  I think
> continuous experimentation is a good thing!
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH 


From maccody at att.net  Fri Dec 15 06:26:08 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:26:08 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
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Scott,

I'm embarrassed to say that I've never done anything personally with 
NBEMS.? What I
knowabout it isfrom a presentation at my radio club.? We have had a 
group that was
experimenting with NBEMS on the club repeater.? Don't know whether they 
are still
doing it, though.? They weren't using any special interface between 
radios and
computers - speaker output to microphone input in both directions.? I'd 
like to try
NBEMS on the FM birds simply as a way of experimenting with using LEO 
birds for
emergency response.

As you mentioned, there is a lot of sites out there describing how to 
use NBEMS using
Fldigi/Flmsg.? I have not seen anything specific, yet, regarding to 
using NBEMS over
a satellite.? I'm sure that there are attendant challenges and 
opportunities doing so.
Doppler shift and signal quality will be the main challenges. MT65 
appears to be the
modulation scheme of choice.? Full duplex operation would be helpful, as 
you could
monitor your own signal to verify its quality and how well the message 
got through.

I'll have to investigate further.

73,

Mac Cody - AE5PH

On 12/14/2017 11:38 PM, Scott wrote:
> I've always been curious about NBEMS as well, Mac.
>
> There is a fair amount of info on the subject online, but could you 
> point me to any particular orientation how-to that might be geared to 
> someone using it in a more informal setting such as how we might use 
> it via an FM satellite?
>
> -Scott,? K4KDR
>
>
> ========================
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 12:29 AM
> To: Mac A. Cody
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on 
> AO-91
>
> Mac,
>
> Now that's a good idea. Otherwise, Wednesdays on AO-85
> could be called SSTV Wednesdays, if that's the extent
> of "Experimenter's Wednesdays" for that satellite. I would
> be inclined to try NBEMS, something I've never used.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2017, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> If, as you stated, SSTV has run its course, maybe Experimenter's
>> Wednesdays on AO-85 could be changed to experiment with EMCOMM using
>> NBEMS, thereby keeping AO-91 as free as possible.? Once that has
>> run its course, then move on to another experiment. That would
>> keep things fresh.? I think a report on each experiment would be an
>> interesting series of articles in the AMSAT Journal.? I think
>> continuous experimentation is a good thing!
>>
>> Mac Cody - AE5PH 
>
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From royldean at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 12:32:52 2017
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:32:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Behavior on FM Satellites
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AMSAT BB archive shows this email as being posted:
*Mon Dec 11 03:26:32 UTC 2017*

I received it in Digest via my gmail account on the 11th.

Sounds like you've got a problem on your end.

K3RLD

WTH?  This msg was sent 12/10 at 10:05 PM. WHY is it just
> coming out NOW - 4 DAYS LATER? ? ? ? ? ?
> Bob  K8BL

From mccardelm at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 14:11:31 2017
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:11:31 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
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It seems to me that the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an Emergency Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a given pass and the limited number of usable passes a day over an area needing the response. I?m not sure experimentation would find ways around this limitation. But of course experimentation is just that.

Perhaps we need to get out of the box for how Experimenter?s Wednesdays work. What modes can we adapt? Can we incorporate an educational initiative, similar to ISS school contacts? Remote control APRS messaging as Mark Spencer demonstrated with MAREA? I know these seem like we are limiting contacts to just a few people, but they can reach hundreds of students and introduce satellite and radio enthusiasm to another generation of school children and millennial.

73
EMike

EMike McCardel, AA8EM
Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I'm embarrassed to say that I've never done anything personally with NBEMS.  What I
> knowabout it isfrom a presentation at my radio club.  We have had a group that was
> experimenting with NBEMS on the club repeater.  Don't know whether they are still
> doing it, though.  They weren't using any special interface between radios and
> computers - speaker output to microphone input in both directions.  I'd like to try
> NBEMS on the FM birds simply as a way of experimenting with using LEO birds for
> emergency response.
> 
> As you mentioned, there is a lot of sites out there describing how to use NBEMS using
> Fldigi/Flmsg.  I have not seen anything specific, yet, regarding to using NBEMS over
> a satellite.  I'm sure that there are attendant challenges and opportunities doing so.
> Doppler shift and signal quality will be the main challenges. MT65 appears to be the
> modulation scheme of choice.  Full duplex operation would be helpful, as you could
> monitor your own signal to verify its quality and how well the message got through.
> 
> I'll have to investigate further.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
> 
>> On 12/14/2017 11:38 PM, Scott wrote:
>> I've always been curious about NBEMS as well, Mac.
>> 
>> There is a fair amount of info on the subject online, but could you point me to any particular orientation how-to that might be geared to someone using it in a more informal setting such as how we might use it via an FM satellite?
>> 
>> -Scott,  K4KDR
>> 
>> 
>> ========================
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 12:29 AM
>> To: Mac A. Cody
>> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
>> 
>> Mac,
>> 
>> Now that's a good idea. Otherwise, Wednesdays on AO-85
>> could be called SSTV Wednesdays, if that's the extent
>> of "Experimenter's Wednesdays" for that satellite. I would
>> be inclined to try NBEMS, something I've never used.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
>> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
>> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 14, 2017, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Patrick,
>>> 
>>> If, as you stated, SSTV has run its course, maybe Experimenter's
>>> Wednesdays on AO-85 could be changed to experiment with EMCOMM using
>>> NBEMS, thereby keeping AO-91 as free as possible.  Once that has
>>> run its course, then move on to another experiment. That would
>>> keep things fresh.  I think a report on each experiment would be an
>>> interesting series of articles in the AMSAT Journal.  I think
>>> continuous experimentation is a good thing!
>>> 
>>> Mac Cody - AE5PH 
>> 
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From py4zbz at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 15 14:32:23 2017
From: py4zbz at yahoo.com (Roland Zurmely)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Images received from ATHENOXAT-1
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Incons and jpeg thumbnails received from new Athenoxat-1?beacon :
<http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/athenoxat.htm#f>
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Fri Dec 15 14:33:49 2017
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Dutra Sousa)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:33:49 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
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Hi,

Wouxun has a software for that, I think. 
I have one 9D and one 9DPlus and the software is different because of the extra menus on the Plus model not being compatible.
I haven?t programmed the AO-91 frequencies yet, planning to do so this weekend, but I only use them for scanning. Being a full duplex radio I always use memories as a cheat card and switch to VFO. I can send you te KG file later on.

73 Pedro CU2ZG

Sent from my iPhone
Please excuse any typos or briefness

> On 14 Dec 2017, at 22:56, jim at beeson.cc wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone use the Wouxun RG-UV8D handie for any sats? If so would you mind sharing your program (.KG) file? Thanks!
> 73's
> Jim
> WA5QAP
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From dave at g4dpz.me.uk  Fri Dec 15 14:37:21 2017
From: dave at g4dpz.me.uk (David Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:37:21 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube Warehouse Outage
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Hi,

Sorry if you experienced a short outage of the display pages, we were fixing up a problem with the channel MinMax values.

73

- Dave

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 14:40:39 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:40:39 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
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EMike mentioned:

> It seems to me that the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an
> Emergency Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a given
> pass and the limited number of usable passes a day over an area needing the
> response.


I agree, a verbal status report or request for assistance for an island-wide or city-wide disaster (think Puerto Rico and Houston) likely would not fit into the time for a LEO pass of a single satellite.

But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis of sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information. Packed into the bytes of telemetry messages we find out about voltage, current, solar cells, temperature, etc. We use a predefined interface document to decode the string of bytes.

How about using a predefined disaster status data stream that all shelters (like scattered around an entire island) to encode 1) head count of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical power 4)drinking water 5) more supplies needed 6) need critical assistance. This way EOC staff could develop and maintain a system-wide status. Coordinating supplies or critical messages may also need better paths to complete than 10 minutes of satellite time.

We fill data warehouses with telemetry bytes as ground stations around the world receive those defined telemetry streams and forward them. Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status protocol then EOC staff could receive more frequent updates (having to tune and track a different satellite though). In this case the EOC uses multiple satellites vs. one data warehouse with multiple users.

We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster telemetry stream. If we try something like this now it likely could see proof of concept with a single cubesat.

Hoping someday we'll replace this cubesat approach with the AMSAT Phase 4 groundstation. That will be like having a wireless phone line between an EOC and every shelter.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org




From mccardelm at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 14:50:26 2017
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:50:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
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Maybe a question for engineering, but, can the cross band FM receivers aboard the LEO repeat SSTV and APRS? I think they don?t care if it?s voice or whatever.

EMike

EMike McCardel, AA8EM
Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, JoAnne K9JKM <joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> EMike mentioned:
> 
>> It seems to me that the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an
>> Emergency Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a given
>> pass and the limited number of usable passes a day over an area needing the
>> response.
> 
> 
> I agree, a verbal status report or request for assistance for an island-wide or city-wide disaster (think Puerto Rico and Houston) likely would not fit into the time for a LEO pass of a single satellite.
> 
> But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis of sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information. Packed into the bytes of telemetry messages we find out about voltage, current, solar cells, temperature, etc. We use a predefined interface document to decode the string of bytes.
> 
> How about using a predefined disaster status data stream that all shelters (like scattered around an entire island) to encode 1) head count of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical power 4)drinking water 5) more supplies needed 6) need critical assistance. This way EOC staff could develop and maintain a system-wide status. Coordinating supplies or critical messages may also need better paths to complete than 10 minutes of satellite time.
> 
> We fill data warehouses with telemetry bytes as ground stations around the world receive those defined telemetry streams and forward them. Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status protocol then EOC staff could receive more frequent updates (having to tune and track a different satellite though). In this case the EOC uses multiple satellites vs. one data warehouse with multiple users.
> 
> We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster telemetry stream. If we try something like this now it likely could see proof of concept with a single cubesat.
> 
> Hoping someday we'll replace this cubesat approach with the AMSAT Phase 4 groundstation. That will be like having a wireless phone line between an EOC and every shelter.
> 
> --
> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
> k9jkm at amsat.org
> 
> 
> 
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Dec 15 14:50:42 2017
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:50:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on (PSAT?)
Message-ID: <b9d9707ab915c80a358c3671970c62f7@mail.gmail.com>

An Experiment I would like to see done is experimental DATA and RTTY modes
on PSAT's PSK31 Linear transponder.  I rarely hear anyone using PSK31 and so
it is quite available.  It has a linear receiver for any modulation going up
on 28.120 MHz and then the demodulated audio comes down on FM on UHF 435.350
MHz.

But the uplink is SHARED with terrestrial RTTY and DATA modes (though very
rarely are there signals there)...

The only catch is that there does need to be at least one PSK31 signal in
the passband to cause the transponder to come up.  But once up, it is a
clean bent pipe for all the rest of the 3 KHz bandwidth.

I read Part 97.307(f)4 and 309(a) as saying any digital mode that is less
than 1 Khz FSK or under 1200 baud symbol rate can be used?

One other catch. (my fault)... It Recycles every 20 seconds.  Which means
the carrier will drop for a few seconds as the processor is reset and then
it waits for the 31 Hz detect to come up again.  So time your exchanges in
the 20 second repeating windows...

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [ On Behalf Of E.Mike McCardel
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91

It seems to me that the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an
Emergency Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a given
pass and the limited number of usable passes a day over an area needing the
response. I?m not sure experimentation would find ways around this
limitation. But of course experimentation is just that.

Perhaps we need to get out of the box for how Experimenter?s Wednesdays
work. What modes can we adapt? Can we incorporate an educational initiative,
similar to ISS school contacts? Remote control APRS messaging as Mark
Spencer demonstrated with MAREA? I know these seem like we are limiting
contacts to just a few people, but they can reach hundreds of students and
introduce satellite and radio enthusiasm to another generation of school
children and millennial.

73
EMike

EMike McCardel, AA8EM
Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:
> I'm embarrassed to say that I've never done anything personally with
> NBEMS.  What I knowabout it isfrom a presentation at my radio club.
> We have had a group that was experimenting with NBEMS on the club
> repeater.  Don't know whether they are still doing it, though.  They
> weren't using any special interface between radios and computers -
> speaker output to microphone input in both directions.  I'd like to
> try NBEMS on the FM birds simply as a way of experimenting with using LEO
> birds for emergency response.
>
> As you mentioned, there is a lot of sites out there describing how to
> use NBEMS using Fldigi/Flmsg.  I have not seen anything specific, yet,
> regarding to using NBEMS over a satellite.  I'm sure that there are
> attendant challenges and opportunities doing so.
> Doppler shift and signal quality will be the main challenges. MT65
> appears to be the modulation scheme of choice.  Full duplex operation
> would be helpful, as you could monitor your own signal to verify its
> quality and how well the message got through.
>
> I'll have to investigate further.
>
> Mac Cody - AE5PH
>
>> On 12/14/2017 11:38 PM, Scott wrote:
>> I've always been curious about NBEMS as well, Mac.
>>
>> There is a fair amount of info on the subject online, but could you point
>> me to any particular orientation how-to that might be geared to someone
>> using it in a more informal setting such as how we might use it via an FM
>> satellite?
>>
>> -Scott,  K4KDR
========================
>> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 12:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]  Experimenter's Wednesdays on >> AO-91
>>
>> Now that's a good idea. Otherwise, Wednesdays on AO-85 could be
>> called SSTV Wednesdays, if that's the extent of "Experimenter's
>> Wednesdays" for that satellite. I would be inclined to try NBEMS,
>> something I've never used.
>>
>> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK


>>> On Thursday, December 14, 2017, Mac A. Cody <maccody at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> If, as you stated, SSTV has run its course, maybe Experimenter's
>>> Wednesdays on AO-85 could be changed to experiment with EMCOMM using
>>> NBEMS, thereby keeping AO-91 as free as possible.  Once that has run
>>> its course, then move on to another experiment. That would keep
>>> things fresh.  I think a report on each experiment would be an
>>> interesting series of articles in the AMSAT Journal.  I think
>>> continuous experimentation is a good thing!
>>>
>>> Mac Cody - AE5PH

From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 14:55:18 2017
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:55:18 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
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	<CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>
	<CAN6TEUfKfwSecw+dAiSQMqoqqvG56A5A7QUPQj5ykfA23qDdAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFF607DDE3B5469FB774989B517E8FAB@CSI9020>
	<c9d3b946-6b0d-12ec-8589-a57486d38ef5@att.net>
	<0B3DD967-7D33-4150-B236-125AF5FE83D2@gmail.com>
	<5a33dee6.0f616b0a.126d0.6242@mx.google.com>
	<68A44267-1232-4AA9-B20A-5A59B3DD86DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+QOuE4gdgTU2+zGwQTYmKL6UuhZyAELsfdjiSbedqPjAFps3w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, AO-85 has been transmitting SSTV every Wednesday for quite some time
now.

Jeff WE4B

On Friday, December 15, 2017, E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe a question for engineering, but, can the cross band FM receivers
> aboard the LEO repeat SSTV and APRS? I think they don?t care if it?s voice
> or whatever.
>
> EMike
>
> EMike McCardel, AA8EM
> Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 15, 2017, at 9:40 AM, JoAnne K9JKM <joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > EMike mentioned:
> >
> >> It seems to me that the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an
> >> Emergency Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a
> given
> >> pass and the limited number of usable passes a day over an area needing
> the
> >> response.
> >
> >
> > I agree, a verbal status report or request for assistance for an
> island-wide or city-wide disaster (think Puerto Rico and Houston) likely
> would not fit into the time for a LEO pass of a single satellite.
> >
> > But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis of
> sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information. Packed into the
> bytes of telemetry messages we find out about voltage, current, solar
> cells, temperature, etc. We use a predefined interface document to decode
> the string of bytes.
> >
> > How about using a predefined disaster status data stream that all
> shelters (like scattered around an entire island) to encode 1) head count
> of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical power 4)drinking water 5)
> more supplies needed 6) need critical assistance. This way EOC staff could
> develop and maintain a system-wide status. Coordinating supplies or
> critical messages may also need better paths to complete than 10 minutes of
> satellite time.
> >
> > We fill data warehouses with telemetry bytes as ground stations around
> the world receive those defined telemetry streams and forward them.
> Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status protocol
> then EOC staff could receive more frequent updates (having to tune and
> track a different satellite though). In this case the EOC uses multiple
> satellites vs. one data warehouse with multiple users.
> >
> > We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster
> telemetry stream. If we try something like this now it likely could see
> proof of concept with a single cubesat.
> >
> > Hoping someday we'll replace this cubesat approach with the AMSAT Phase
> 4 groundstation. That will be like having a wireless phone line between an
> EOC and every shelter.
> >
> > --
> > 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
> > k9jkm at amsat.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Dec 15 15:03:01 2017
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:03:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for ... Emergency Comms - APRS...
Message-ID: <97d27fce1eac7ac3c79269af0a7838a7@mail.gmail.com>

Such a highly compressed method of satellite encoding exists called APRS.

>> ... the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an Emergency
>> Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a
>> given pass and the limited number of usable passes a day...

> But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis
> of sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information.
> Packed into the bytes of telemetry messages ...
> How about a predefined disaster status data stream that all shelters...

Use the APRS Object for a SHELTER.  Just one packet can contain the
position, time and date of the report, and up to 47 bytes of useful info
such as 1) head count of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical
power 4)drinking water 5) more supplies needed 6) need critical
assistance.

> Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status
protocol..

They do.  APRS is currently on 3 sateliltes... PSAT, ISS and PCSAT and
soon to be QIKCOM2 and PSAT2 and BRICSAT2... And TJHS hicghschool cubesat,
etc

> We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster
telemetry stream.

We have it.  See the SATT4 single card APRS transponder.  We invite every
school or university that is contemplating a CUBESAT to consider using
this transponder for their command and control which also provides the
APRS transponder as well.  Cost is under $300 or so.
See http://aprs.org/satt4.html

Bob, WB4aPR

From maccody at att.net  Fri Dec 15 15:28:31 2017
From: maccody at att.net (Mac A. Cody)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:28:31 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <5a33dee6.0f616b0a.126d0.6242@mx.google.com>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>
	<CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>
	<CAN6TEUfKfwSecw+dAiSQMqoqqvG56A5A7QUPQj5ykfA23qDdAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<FFF607DDE3B5469FB774989B517E8FAB@CSI9020>
	<c9d3b946-6b0d-12ec-8589-a57486d38ef5@att.net>
	<0B3DD967-7D33-4150-B236-125AF5FE83D2@gmail.com>
	<5a33dee6.0f616b0a.126d0.6242@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <69b798c6-ebd8-5cf5-f2e2-96af4ed49da9@att.net>

JoAnne and EMike,

That is why I suggested as an experiment the use of NBEMS in my original 
post:

"The messages could be sent digitally via, say, Narrow Band Emergency
Messaging System (NBEMS) to improve reliability of transcription."

Yes, voice would be slow and inaccurate.? Using digital data would send more
information quicker.? NBEMS can be use send various ICS forms, weather 
reports,
and ARRL Radiograms.? The data streams you suggest are already supported
through NBEMS.? ? NBEMS is designed precisely for this type of application.

NBEMS can work on SSB as well as FM modes.? Given that there are already a
sizable number of amateur satellites orbiting the earth, and more 
coming, there
would be many opportunities to pass traffic over LEO satellites. The 
transponder
birds would offer multiple channels for this activity.? I'm sure, 
though, that there
will be those that shudder over the thought of multiple data streams 
being passed
over the linear birds at one time.?? Data transmissions would have to be 
disciplined.

73,

Mac AE5PH


On 12/15/2017 08:40 AM, JoAnne K9JKM wrote:
> EMike mentioned:
>
>> It seems to me that the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an
>> Emergency Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a given
>> pass and the limited number of usable passes a day over an area needing the
>> response.
>
> I agree, a verbal status report or request for assistance for an island-wide or city-wide disaster (think Puerto Rico and Houston) likely would not fit into the time for a LEO pass of a single satellite.
>
> But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis of sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information. Packed into the bytes of telemetry messages we find out about voltage, current, solar cells, temperature, etc. We use a predefined interface document to decode the string of bytes.
>
> How about using a predefined disaster status data stream that all shelters (like scattered around an entire island) to encode 1) head count of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical power 4)drinking water 5) more supplies needed 6) need critical assistance. This way EOC staff could develop and maintain a system-wide status. Coordinating supplies or critical messages may also need better paths to complete than 10 minutes of satellite time.
>
> We fill data warehouses with telemetry bytes as ground stations around the world receive those defined telemetry streams and forward them. Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status protocol then EOC staff could receive more frequent updates (having to tune and track a different satellite though). In this case the EOC uses multiple satellites vs. one data warehouse with multiple users.
>
> We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster telemetry stream. If we try something like this now it likely could see proof of concept with a single cubesat.
>
> Hoping someday we'll replace this cubesat approach with the AMSAT Phase 4 groundstation. That will be like having a wireless phone line between an EOC and every shelter.
>
> --
> 73 de JoAnne K9JKM
> k9jkm at amsat.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


From yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 15 16:09:46 2017
From: yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com (Suryono Adisoemarta)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:09:46 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for ... Emergency Comms - APRS...
In-Reply-To: <97d27fce1eac7ac3c79269af0a7838a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <97d27fce1eac7ac3c79269af0a7838a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A076292-2A04-4F77-89D1-50C1AA741AAB@yahoo.com>




> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:03 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>  APRS is currently on 3 sateliltes... PSAT, ISS and PCSAT 

Don't forget IO-86, that also has APRS. 

73 de Yono - YD0NXX


From david.johnson.bbq at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 15:11:08 2017
From: david.johnson.bbq at gmail.com (David Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:11:08 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for ... Emergency Comms - APRS...
In-Reply-To: <97d27fce1eac7ac3c79269af0a7838a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <97d27fce1eac7ac3c79269af0a7838a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPz2khZxe7voWXjuoXHOPnMCXPhSY8KEPnoXo5zhdbS665-E_g@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but what does Bob Bruninga know about APRS? :) LOL...

Dave, W9DWJ

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:

> Such a highly compressed method of satellite encoding exists called APRS.
>
> >> ... the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an Emergency
> >> Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a
> >> given pass and the limited number of usable passes a day...
>
> > But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis
> > of sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information.
> > Packed into the bytes of telemetry messages ...
> > How about a predefined disaster status data stream that all shelters...
>
> Use the APRS Object for a SHELTER.  Just one packet can contain the
> position, time and date of the report, and up to 47 bytes of useful info
> such as 1) head count of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical
> power 4)drinking water 5) more supplies needed 6) need critical
> assistance.
>
> > Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status
> protocol..
>
> They do.  APRS is currently on 3 sateliltes... PSAT, ISS and PCSAT and
> soon to be QIKCOM2 and PSAT2 and BRICSAT2... And TJHS hicghschool cubesat,
> etc
>
> > We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster
> telemetry stream.
>
> We have it.  See the SATT4 single card APRS transponder.  We invite every
> school or university that is contemplating a CUBESAT to consider using
> this transponder for their command and control which also provides the
> APRS transponder as well.  Cost is under $300 or so.
> See http://aprs.org/satt4.html
>
> Bob, WB4aPR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



-- 
David Johnson

From KG5GJT at cox.net  Fri Dec 15 16:42:07 2017
From: KG5GJT at cox.net (KG5GJT)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:42:07 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D72 SAT users
In-Reply-To: <m2c91w00i4F0Vt7012cA2x>
References: <m2c91w00i4F0Vt7012cA2x>
Message-ID: <9B293692-4043-495A-B5A0-A7C48A75DAF1@cox.net>

I use the Kenwood D-72 for Sats.  I currently use a 2.5 to 3.5 audio cable from the radio to a digital recorder and then plug a set of Sony headphones into the recorder. Be warned you need to follow the following procedure or the radio will "freak out". If you unplug the audio cable after radio is on it affects it as well.  
1. Plug everything together
2. Power on recorder 
3. Start recorder
4. Power on radio
5. Work pass
6. Power off radio
7.  Power off recorder
Hope that helps I am attaching a link to the audio cable I use and a picture of my set up below.  Hope this helps hope to catch you on a pass!
73,
Brian D. Karcher 
KG5GJT 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0185X0CDI/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1513354410&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=2.5+to+3.5+audio+cable&dpPl=1&dpID=41ly7P0RnjL&ref=plSrch



Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 8:33 PM, amsat-bb-request at amsat.org wrote:
> 
> [amsat-bb] Kenwood TH-D72 SAT users

From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Fri Dec 15 17:00:20 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:00:20 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK from DM23/DM24 line tomorrow (& maybe a little
	more...)
Message-ID: <CAN6TEUcf7YQW+6JYDS8gOcwF0vTVWRmcaZbe=UqMPx=uWdiW7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Tomorrow (Saturday, 16 December) morning, I will head out to western
Arizona and operate on the DM23vx/DM24va grid boundary. This spot is
north of the AZ-72/AZ-95 junction, north of Quartzsite and southeast
of Parker. I plan on being here from mid-morning into the afternoon,
working FM, SSB, and - if available - packet passes.

Sometime in the mid- to late-afternoon, I am probably going to drive
north to Kingman and the DM25/DM35 grid boundary for some passes up
there. Ideally, I might be able to get in on some of the XW-2 "train"
for the east coast, but would stay there for a couple of hours before
returning home. If there is snow in or around Kingman, I will not
head this way, and may look at an alternative loop for the drive home
(i.e., returning via Yuma AZ and the DM22/DM32 boundary near I-8).

For the night owls, I might still be up for at least one AO-91 pass
late Saturday evening. For that pass, I might be home at that point,
but I will make note of the AO-91 pass times to make sure I don't
forget them.

While on the road, I'll run APRS from my car as WD9EWK-9. There should
be decent coverage for most of my planned road trip on sites like
(among a few others) http://aprs.fi/WD9EWK-9 . I will also use my
@WD9EWK Twitter account to send updates, and - depending on the mobile
data network - pictures from where I am operating.

After the road trip, I will upload my log to Logbook of the World.
For those that would like to receive a QSL card for a contact with me,
please e-mail me directly with the QSO details. If you're in the log,
I'll get a card out to you.

73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK

From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Dec 15 18:04:41 2017
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:04:41 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for ... Emergency Comms - 1200 bd 10m
	uplink.
Message-ID: <84cd1f520fdf92e7e3ec839e424bef44@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, why wait till Experimental Wednesdays.

1200 baud AX.25 packet is legal uplink for PSAT's 28.120 USB uplink and
435.350 downlink (unless I misread the rules).  SO I will say that such
experiments are welcome on PSAT as long as there is little to no other PSK31
activity in the 1000 to 2400 Hz tones on the air at the time of the
experiment.  Doppler during a 1 second packet burst will be
insignificant....

OOPS, insignificant, but critical.  One has to pre-shift your uplink so that
your downlink does come down at the standard 1200 baud AFSK tones of
1200,2200 Hz.  I guess the key there is to transmit your PSK31 "pilot"
signal for a few seconds at say 500 Hz on the uplink, adjust your uplink
Transmitter RF to verify you see it at 500 Hz in the downlink and then
transmit the packet.

I'd love to see this transponder used more.  But again, the uplink is shared
with terrestrial PSK31, so share the band.   You can verify a clear band by
looking (or listening) in the downlink if there are ANY PSK31 users in the
1000 to 2400 Hz bandwidth prior to transmitting.

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga at usna.edu]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:03 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Cc: Robert Bruninga
Subject: A suggestion for ... Emergency Comms - APRS...

Such a highly compressed method of satellite encoding exists called APRS.

>> ... the limiting factor for using LEO satellites as an Emergency
>> Response of any scale, would the short amount of time of a given pass
>> and the limited number of usable passes a day...

> But, us ingenious ham radio operator types perhaps have the basis of
> sending compressed data which conveys a lot of information.
> Packed into the bytes of telemetry messages ...
> How about a predefined disaster status data stream that all shelters...

Use the APRS Object for a SHELTER.  Just one packet can contain the
position, time and date of the report, and up to 47 bytes of useful info
such as 1) head count of staff 2) head count of victims 3) electrical power
4)drinking water 5) more supplies needed 6) need critical assistance.

> Conversely, if multiple LEO satellites support a disaster-status
protocol..

They do.  APRS is currently on 3 sateliltes... PSAT, ISS and PCSAT and soon
to be QIKCOM2 and PSAT2 and BRICSAT2... And TJHS hicghschool cubesat, etc

> We'd need future cubesat missions capable of supporting a disaster
telemetry stream.

We have it.  See the SATT4 single card APRS transponder.  We invite every
school or university that is contemplating a CUBESAT to consider using this
transponder for their command and control which also provides the APRS
transponder as well.  Cost is under $300 or so.
See http://aprs.org/satt4.html

Bob, WB4aPR

From vy2hf.radio at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 18:13:55 2017
From: vy2hf.radio at gmail.com (Brent Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:13:55 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Odd TH-D74 behavior
Message-ID: <CANx2qYzeGYNJ6B_vu9iAHKCMKVs3T5LN=uVcGgn+n_vzb7adLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Yesterday (Thursday), while on my whirlwind FN87/77 grid activation trip, I
ran into a frustrating thing with my TH-D74.

Wanting to use (Bose QC15) noise cancelling headphones for my downlink
audio, I used a 2.5mm male to 3.5mm female adapter pigtail to take the "SP"
audio off the side of the radio and feed it into the headphones, while
using my VX-8GR for full duplex transmit (for AO-91).

The problem: every time I plugged the pigtail into the side of the D74, its
frequency would change and the ability to QSY back to the intended downlink
frequency would be severely limited or even prevented altogether. I wanted
to be in VFO mode, for instance, and plugging the pigtail into the speaker
jack immediately took me to memory channel recall mode, on an apparently
random channel, and then prevent the selection of another memory or a
return to VFO mode.

So I thought I'd fix that problem by locking the radio with the long press
on the "F" key. No change in behaviour. The frequency change still happened
every time I plugged in to the speaker jack. The problem sometimes occurred
immediately upon plugging in, but sometimes it would work fine on VFO mode
for a few seconds before the changeover.

I will continue to fiddle with it to set put exact behaviors in varying
circumstances. I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar
problem.

What I ended up doing was going without headphones altogether and just
listening to the D74 out of its own speaker, in the wind, with feedback on
the uplink when I transmitted. Sorry about that mess!

73

Brent
-- 
Brent Taylor, VY2HF / W1PJ
Stratford, PEI, Canada

From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 15 18:43:07 2017
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:43:07 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO73/FUNcube-1 Mode
Message-ID: <40ea8514-ccfa-f471-8d0a-f1b5ccbb81fc@btinternet.com>

Hi All,

Just to confirm that AO73/FUNcube-1 is now in? continuous transponder 
mode for the weekend as usual.

Have FUN

73

Graham

G3VZV



From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 19:24:38 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:24:38 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for ... Emergency Comms - 1200 bd 10m
	uplink.
In-Reply-To: <84cd1f520fdf92e7e3ec839e424bef44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84cd1f520fdf92e7e3ec839e424bef44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a342174.13b5240a.27767.a882@mx.google.com>

> 1200 baud AX.25 packet is legal uplink for PSAT's 28.120 USB uplink and
> 435.350 downlink (unless I misread the rules).  SO I will say that such
> experiments are welcome on PSAT as long as there is little to no other
> PSK31 activity

Winter has set in for Chicago before I had a chance to get an antenna put up
for 28.120 MHz. But I've been occasionally monitoring the 435.350 MHz
downlink. PSAT's PSK-31 beacon on the downlink is strong (a lot stronger
than the 145.825 downlink). 

I've been using FLDIGI (it's free) for receiving PSK-31 in my shack. Besides
the beacon there is plenty of empty bandwidth during a pass on the waterfall
display. Give 435.350 a listen to start getting used to the characteristics
of this satellite.

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org



From jim at beeson.cc  Fri Dec 15 20:11:07 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (Jim Beeson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:11:07 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
In-Reply-To: <4519769F-2F69-4354-82AA-3FFF7792E011@dutrasousa.name>
References: <ec72ecb60be935ca32cd927562361034.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>
	<4519769F-2F69-4354-82AA-3FFF7792E011@dutrasousa.name>
Message-ID: <5605AC50-3E2C-493D-9BB3-133F16B5EF99@beeson.cc>

That would be great Pedro! I will look forward to getting the files. Thanks!

Jim Beeson

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Pedro Dutra Sousa <pedro at dutrasousa.name> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Wouxun has a software for that, I think. 
> I have one 9D and one 9DPlus and the software is different because of the extra menus on the Plus model not being compatible.
> I haven?t programmed the AO-91 frequencies yet, planning to do so this weekend, but I only use them for scanning. Being a full duplex radio I always use memories as a cheat card and switch to VFO. I can send you te KG file later on.
> 
> 73 Pedro CU2ZG
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse any typos or briefness
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 22:56, jim at beeson.cc wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone use the Wouxun RG-UV8D handie for any sats? If so would you mind sharing your program (.KG) file? Thanks!
>> 73's
>> Jim
>> WA5QAP
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From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Fri Dec 15 21:23:18 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:23:18 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <69b798c6-ebd8-5cf5-f2e2-96af4ed49da9@att.net>
References: <CAN6TEUe=4in8Kjm8WULaKFHMegfhXZhPaCgnP_Rf-pEsBuyPmw@mail.gmail.com>	<d201ca00-19ed-67e3-8146-703962f2bb32@att.net>	<CAN6TEUcMdFyotQz-_U9Ah03mOVOqHc2zKYDTLv7g0co7xphLtg@mail.gmail.com>	<fa1d60fd-4148-0fc0-57aa-c0a9f8ec1467@att.net>	<CAN6TEUfKfwSecw+dAiSQMqoqqvG56A5A7QUPQj5ykfA23qDdAw@mail.gmail.com>	<FFF607DDE3B5469FB774989B517E8FAB@CSI9020>	<c9d3b946-6b0d-12ec-8589-a57486d38ef5@att.net>	<0B3DD967-7D33-4150-B236-125AF5FE83D2@gmail.com>	<5a33dee6.0f616b0a.126d0.6242@mx.google.com>
	<69b798c6-ebd8-5cf5-f2e2-96af4ed49da9@att.net>
Message-ID: <5a343d44.97136b0a.8758d.8721@mx.google.com>

Hi Mac,

> > That is why I suggested as an experiment the use of NBEMS

An excellent recommendation. I'll have a chance, I bet, after the holidays to look into testing with NBEMS via satellite. We have a few months to get ready ... I retire at the end of March 2018. I'm keeping my nursing license active when I retire so I can volunteer for disaster relief projects. When I go out I'll need one of these :-)

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org




From radiomb at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 15 23:40:24 2017
From: radiomb at bellsouth.net (radiomb)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:40:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
References: <1967347821.109122.1513381224746.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1967347821.109122.1513381224746@mail.yahoo.com>

? ?I have only made a few contacts on the FM birds, so a very newbie. Ramping up quickly with my Christmas wish list for linear birds. If SSTV has run its course, please do not stop all together. Maybe can rotate different weeks of the month for experimental day. I have only heard one SSTV picture on the bird a few weeks back but remember it well. Still remember my 1st HF SSTV contact Ivory Coast. I think keeping SSTV some weeks may get a few more people interested in satellites, just like ISS SSTV. Sure wish the US would send as many ISS pictures as the Russians. I do not understand that either.
73 Mike K4MIA?

From W5PDQ at outlook.com  Fri Dec 15 00:10:02 2017
From: W5PDQ at outlook.com (Stan Musick)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:10:02 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Embroidered Cap ?
Message-ID: <SN2PR18MB0736B2A1FC27ED3F47635413FB0B0@SN2PR18MB0736.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Hello,

Has AMSAT ever had an embroidered cap available?
Does anyone know if they have plans in the future to have any available?

   Thanks,
    Stan, W5PDQ


From k9jkm at comcast.net  Sat Dec 16 01:08:40 2017
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne Maenpaa)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 19:08:40 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] A suggestion for Experimenter's Wednesdays on AO-91
In-Reply-To: <1967347821.109122.1513381224746@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1967347821.109122.1513381224746.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1967347821.109122.1513381224746@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004401d3760a$69590ab0$3c0b2010$@net>

Hello Mike,

> If SSTV has run its course, please do not stop all together.

Not to worry. SSTV from space is one of our best crowd pleasers. And it is fun :-)

> Sure wish the US would send as many ISS pictures as the Russians. I
> do not understand that either.

The current configuration of ham equipment on the ISS has the computer and transceiver that are SSTV-capable in the Russian segment of the ISS. A standard amateur radio configuration for everyone on the ISS is under development. See www.ariss.org.

Welcome to some of the coolest stuff in ham radio ... amateur radio in space!

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


From seb at wintek.com  Sat Dec 16 02:23:28 2017
From: seb at wintek.com (Stephen  E. Belter)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 02:23:28 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Embroidered Cap ?
Message-ID: <D659DE50.A37EA%seb@wintek.com>

Stan,

We normally sell embroidered caps at the Dayton Hamvention.  Inventory not
sold at the Hamvention is then sold on the AMSAT store.

The hat was very popular this year; the few not sold at the Hamvention
went quickly from the store.

If you?re not going to Hamvention, pay close attention to the store in
late May.

73, Steve N9IP
--
Steve Belter, seb at wintek.com



On 12/14/17, 6:10 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Stan Musick"
<amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org on behalf of W5PDQ at outlook.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Has AMSAT ever had an embroidered cap available?
>Does anyone know if they have plans in the future to have any available?
>
>   Thanks,
>    Stan, W5PDQ
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From waisean at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 04:56:59 2017
From: waisean at gmail.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 04:56:59 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS birds
In-Reply-To: <CAGz_XJyAanbuGuu55CWWnAJZCx4JLh-NrYF=EfuzeH68UGnAqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKMWXT2_yhxr_2zZc7xYjJvKG6Yrt1v-VCuz4y=wkwfWqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJyAanbuGuu55CWWnAJZCx4JLh-NrYF=EfuzeH68UGnAqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGz_XJzZeqiirbasG0+yKQggwCXhgXqhafcXh9kpe5APGv6pJw@mail.gmail.com>

Any tips on knowing where the ISS is? I tried to catch it on a pass and
couldn't get it to hear any of my beacons. Much harder than AO-91 which
kind of blows your eardrums out the moment it crosses into your antenna's
pattern. I was hoping that someone else would be beaconing and I could aim
that way, but no dice.

John, I notice in some of your videos you have the passes printed out on
paper, do you do this with every pass you try and work?

Thanks,
Sean WA1TE

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:50 PM Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mac and John, those are very helpful. The D72 specific one gave me
> enough keywords that I could search the manual in a more useful fashion.
> This radio does a ton of stuff.
>
> No passes until tomorrow, so I have some for some more reading.
>
> 73,
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:18 PM John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ignore the references to UHF. It's back on 145.825
>>
>>
>> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_KenwoodHT_Packet.pdf
>>
>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > There was a comment on the recent experimenters thread about using the
>> APRS
>> > birds. I'm new at this game - I've made 2 satellite QSOs so far - and
>> would
>> > love to know more. Is there a good document on how to use these
>> satellites,
>> > and maybe some tips on how to get a TH-D72A to do it? I've only used it
>> to
>> > beacon APRS, messaging with the service isn't something I've tried.
>> >
>> > Thanks and 73,
>> > Sean WA1TE
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 06:43:48 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 01:43:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRS birds
In-Reply-To: <CAGz_XJzZeqiirbasG0+yKQggwCXhgXqhafcXh9kpe5APGv6pJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGz_XJyY_RYV4Q007ZDc37oVjcQPpNYDaDPXNxuYfewu9zCNNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKMWXT2_yhxr_2zZc7xYjJvKG6Yrt1v-VCuz4y=wkwfWqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJyAanbuGuu55CWWnAJZCx4JLh-NrYF=EfuzeH68UGnAqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGz_XJzZeqiirbasG0+yKQggwCXhgXqhafcXh9kpe5APGv6pJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOabdb4p86Fb5Yh+OSZXiGQ-Qy33b8f1uQHrXp0dcKcQbA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean!

The packet digipeater on the ISS has been off for a while, so you won't
hear anything from it on 145.825 until that is re-enabled.

You'll want to get familiar with the following website where stations are
listed when they're digipeated and the transmission from the ISS is heard
by an iGate:

http://www.ariss.net/index.cgi?absolute=1

... note in the "Station List" section that the last traffic was on 6-Dec.

As for "where the ISS is", you'll need tracking software on a PC or
smartphone to know when the ISS or any other satellite will be overhead.
Ask here or Google search for software suitable for whatever phone, PC, or
Mac computer you happen to use.  There are also excellent websites that
show the track of one or more sats if that suits you better.  You'll come
across several of those in a Google search as well & can decide which
presentation you like best.

-Scott,  K4KDR


==========================



On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any tips on knowing where the ISS is? I tried to catch it on a pass and
> couldn't get it to hear any of my beacons. Much harder than AO-91 which
> kind of blows your eardrums out the moment it crosses into your antenna's
> pattern. I was hoping that someone else would be beaconing and I could aim
> that way, but no dice.
>
> John, I notice in some of your videos you have the passes printed out on
> paper, do you do this with every pass you try and work?
>
> Thanks,
> Sean WA1TE
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:50 PM Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Mac and John, those are very helpful. The D72 specific one gave me
> > enough keywords that I could search the manual in a more useful fashion.
> > This radio does a ton of stuff.
> >
> > No passes until tomorrow, so I have some for some more reading.
> >
> > 73,
> > Sean WA1TE
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:18 PM John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ignore the references to UHF. It's back on 145.825
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/
> 2014/01/AMSAT_Journal_KenwoodHT_Packet.pdf
> >>
> >> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > There was a comment on the recent experimenters thread about using the
> >> APRS
> >> > birds. I'm new at this game - I've made 2 satellite QSOs so far - and
> >> would
> >> > love to know more. Is there a good document on how to use these
> >> satellites,
> >> > and maybe some tips on how to get a TH-D72A to do it? I've only used
> it
> >> to
> >> > beacon APRS, messaging with the service isn't something I've tried.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks and 73,
> >> > Sean WA1TE

From fgeraci14 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 16:59:03 2017
From: fgeraci14 at gmail.com (Francis Geraci)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:59:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite radio's query
Message-ID: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>

>From WB1FXX - Marathon, Fla.

In the past there had been a discussion about different satellite radio's,
who produces them and their availability.

I recently purchased a IC-9100 just for satellite operations. I have not
seen much discussion about this radio on the Amsat BB. I am curious why
this  radio has hardly been mentioned. It seems to be the perfect
replacement for my aging IC-821. Even has the "funny" little knobs, like
the 821, that control the RF power and mic gain. The IC-9100 has the look
and feel of a "real" radio.

Is it the price ?  $2100.00 USD ? Not the cheapest rig out there. The
IC-7610 is "flying" off the shelves at $3900.00 USD. Can't be about the
price !

Thanks for any comments - WB1FXX

From w3ab at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 16 19:31:57 2017
From: w3ab at yahoo.com (W3AB/GEO)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:31:57 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite radio's query
In-Reply-To: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00cc9771-e70c-4522-95ac-d3e1a652710d@yahoo.com>

For me, no need to replace my IC-910. Which replaced my IC-810. 
Which replaced my my FT-736. Which replaced my FT-726. Each move added more features and ease of operation. The IC-9100 doesn't, for me, add anything over the IC-910.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On Dec 16, 2017, 10:56, at 10:56, Francis Geraci <fgeraci14 at gmail.com> wrote:
>From WB1FXX - Marathon, Fla.
>
>In the past there had been a discussion about different satellite
>radio's,
>who produces them and their availability.
>
>I recently purchased a IC-9100 just for satellite operations. I have
>not
>seen much discussion about this radio on the Amsat BB. I am curious why
>this  radio has hardly been mentioned. It seems to be the perfect
>replacement for my aging IC-821. Even has the "funny" little knobs,
>like
>the 821, that control the RF power and mic gain. The IC-9100 has the
>look
>and feel of a "real" radio.
>
>Is it the price ?  $2100.00 USD ? Not the cheapest rig out there. The
>IC-7610 is "flying" off the shelves at $3900.00 USD. Can't be about the
>price !
>
>Thanks for any comments - WB1FXX
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From va6bmj at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 20:05:01 2017
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:05:01 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch Analysis from Tuesday's attempt
In-Reply-To: <CAP7QzkPZVUpRPCRuX6bwTAwB0yhaTvt4_gf8t7CMKBAC11VAXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <685FC9145EEF43B4833F006BE5D79C19@OsbornesPC>
	<CAP7QzkO+8YsCWj5Hhi1wiQNhky9ZQFdS8_zRYW3dF8k5eBH9Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7QzkPZVUpRPCRuX6bwTAwB0yhaTvt4_gf8t7CMKBAC11VAXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkMNJtzDFznBvmwm0kMSEbnbvHa_nhy232-Qfx9BGirJnQ@mail.gmail.com>

According to the latest Twitter posting, the next launch attempt will
be made early in the new year.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

From wageners at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 20:52:23 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 14:52:23 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite radio's query
In-Reply-To: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHBmUe3t3oYxP7PUfYXMZp7ME-3O0enYytcfz-9Gbq03tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Francis,

Yes, the IC-9100 is a superb satellite radio plus HF. It works and has
everything it needs to run digital modes *built* into the radio plus the
option of D-Star (if you like). Not much to talk about :-) it just works.

73, Stefan, VE4NSA

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Francis Geraci <fgeraci14 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> From WB1FXX - Marathon, Fla.
>
> In the past there had been a discussion about different satellite radio's,
> who produces them and their availability.
>
> I recently purchased a IC-9100 just for satellite operations. I have not
> seen much discussion about this radio on the Amsat BB. I am curious why
> this  radio has hardly been mentioned. It seems to be the perfect
> replacement for my aging IC-821. Even has the "funny" little knobs, like
> the 821, that control the RF power and mic gain. The IC-9100 has the look
> and feel of a "real" radio.
>
> Is it the price ?  $2100.00 USD ? Not the cheapest rig out there. The
> IC-7610 is "flying" off the shelves at $3900.00 USD. Can't be about the
> price !
>
> Thanks for any comments - WB1FXX
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From george.carrii15 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 20:56:05 2017
From: george.carrii15 at gmail.com (George Carr)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 14:56:05 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite radio's query
In-Reply-To: <00cc9771-e70c-4522-95ac-d3e1a652710d@yahoo.com>
References: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<00cc9771-e70c-4522-95ac-d3e1a652710d@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOvopc8FyKParMrXznrtVpS9o5qJ0e0UWrOoEC83uvxmxJs2UA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using the 9100 for a few years now for my hamsat contacts. It
interfaces very well with SatPC32 and I am very pleased with it. yuo made a
very wise choice for the hamsats!
I even purchased the 1.2 gig module in anticipation. And the DStar module
as well. Bring them on! I am ready!
73
George
WA5KBH
EM30

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM, W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> For me, no need to replace my IC-910. Which replaced my IC-810.
> Which replaced my my FT-736. Which replaced my FT-726. Each move added
> more features and ease of operation. The IC-9100 doesn't, for me, add
> anything over the IC-910.
> ?___
> Sent from my two way wrist watch
> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>
> On Dec 16, 2017, 10:56, at 10:56, Francis Geraci <fgeraci14 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >From WB1FXX - Marathon, Fla.
> >
> >In the past there had been a discussion about different satellite
> >radio's,
> >who produces them and their availability.
> >
> >I recently purchased a IC-9100 just for satellite operations. I have
> >not
> >seen much discussion about this radio on the Amsat BB. I am curious why
> >this  radio has hardly been mentioned. It seems to be the perfect
> >replacement for my aging IC-821. Even has the "funny" little knobs,
> >like
> >the 821, that control the RF power and mic gain. The IC-9100 has the
> >look
> >and feel of a "real" radio.
> >
> >Is it the price ?  $2100.00 USD ? Not the cheapest rig out there. The
> >IC-7610 is "flying" off the shelves at $3900.00 USD. Can't be about the
> >price !
> >
> >Thanks for any comments - WB1FXX
> >_______________________________________________
> >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >Opinions expressed
> >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> >of AMSAT-NA.
> >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >program!
> >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



-- 
George Carr
Certified Chip Carving Instructor
Amateur Radio Station - WA5KBH

From pedro at dutrasousa.name  Sat Dec 16 21:32:44 2017
From: pedro at dutrasousa.name (Pedro Sousa)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:32:44 -0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wouxun KG-UV8D
In-Reply-To: <5605AC50-3E2C-493D-9BB3-133F16B5EF99@beeson.cc>
References: <ec72ecb60be935ca32cd927562361034.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>
	<4519769F-2F69-4354-82AA-3FFF7792E011@dutrasousa.name>
	<5605AC50-3E2C-493D-9BB3-133F16B5EF99@beeson.cc>
Message-ID: <355dcf8d-7071-421e-fcb1-ef12c00cb2e9@dutrasousa.name>

Hi,

You can download the file at 
http://plus.dutrasousa.name/WOUXUNKGUV9D_AMSAT.zip
It's in 9D format, but if you the that software you can copy paste those 
plans. Look at memory 200 and above.

Here' some extras.
A memory plan in PDF: plus2.dutrasousa.name/SatelliteTable.zip
Doppler calculations and quick card: 
http://plus2.dutrasousa.name/CU2ZG%20Doppler_Calcs%20-%20v1.3%2004DEC2017.xlsx.zip
Max QRB calculations based on your current altitude: 
http://plus2.dutrasousa.name/CU2ZG%20Max%20SAT%20QRB%20-%20v1.2%2004DEC2017.XLSX.zip

73 Pedro CU2ZG




On 2017-12-15 19:11, Jim Beeson wrote:
> That would be great Pedro! I will look forward to getting the files. Thanks!
>
> Jim Beeson
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Pedro Dutra Sousa <pedro at dutrasousa.name> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Wouxun has a software for that, I think.
>> I have one 9D and one 9DPlus and the software is different because of the extra menus on the Plus model not being compatible.
>> I haven?t programmed the AO-91 frequencies yet, planning to do so this weekend, but I only use them for scanning. Being a full duplex radio I always use memories as a cheat card and switch to VFO. I can send you te KG file later on.
>>
>> 73 Pedro CU2ZG
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse any typos or briefness
>>
>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 22:56, jim at beeson.cc wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone use the Wouxun RG-UV8D handie for any sats? If so would you mind sharing your program (.KG) file? Thanks!
>>> 73's
>>> Jim
>>> WA5QAP
>>> _______________________________________________
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From fgeraci14 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 23:31:44 2017
From: fgeraci14 at gmail.com (Francis Geraci)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:31:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite radio's query
In-Reply-To: <CAOvopc8FyKParMrXznrtVpS9o5qJ0e0UWrOoEC83uvxmxJs2UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+QL-dAAf81JduDbJO25QKA9wj7yy+9mNiJf4_uRAvKO+3=3Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<00cc9771-e70c-4522-95ac-d3e1a652710d@yahoo.com>
	<CAOvopc8FyKParMrXznrtVpS9o5qJ0e0UWrOoEC83uvxmxJs2UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+QL-dAhPCxnQMkKhsU=wSO1YY1f6SQLzd3XEpZFkUdWXejNPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You, Gentlemen,for your comments. I believe the "satellite community"
are some of the best communicators.

Funny Story : I went off "half-cocked" and bought the IC-7300 radio. Soon,
I realized my mistake. Don't know what I was thinking. "Thonk" on my stupid
head. Complaining bitterly, swearing to buy the IC-9100, a "big" box,
showed up at my house.   Inside, was a IC-9100. My YL, K3FXX, couldn't
stand my "bitching" anymore, and bought me the radio. I'm still "crying".
WHO is the "luckiest" man in the world. God Bless her.
Best to You All.
Francis -WB1FXX

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 3:56 PM, George Carr <george.carrii15 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have been using the 9100 for a few years now for my hamsat contacts. It
> interfaces very well with SatPC32 and I am very pleased with it. yuo made a
> very wise choice for the hamsats!
> I even purchased the 1.2 gig module in anticipation. And the DStar module
> as well. Bring them on! I am ready!
> 73
> George
> WA5KBH
> EM30
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM, W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > wrote:
>
>> For me, no need to replace my IC-910. Which replaced my IC-810.
>> Which replaced my my FT-736. Which replaced my FT-726. Each move added
>> more features and ease of operation. The IC-9100 doesn't, for me, add
>> anything over the IC-910.
>> ?___
>> Sent from my two way wrist watch
>> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2017, 10:56, at 10:56, Francis Geraci <fgeraci14 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >From WB1FXX - Marathon, Fla.
>> >
>> >In the past there had been a discussion about different satellite
>> >radio's,
>> >who produces them and their availability.
>> >
>> >I recently purchased a IC-9100 just for satellite operations. I have
>> >not
>> >seen much discussion about this radio on the Amsat BB. I am curious why
>> >this  radio has hardly been mentioned. It seems to be the perfect
>> >replacement for my aging IC-821. Even has the "funny" little knobs,
>> >like
>> >the 821, that control the RF power and mic gain. The IC-9100 has the
>> >look
>> >and feel of a "real" radio.
>> >
>> >Is it the price ?  $2100.00 USD ? Not the cheapest rig out there. The
>> >IC-7610 is "flying" off the shelves at $3900.00 USD. Can't be about the
>> >price !
>> >
>> >Thanks for any comments - WB1FXX
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> >Opinions expressed
>> >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> >of AMSAT-NA.
>> >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> >program!
>> >Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
>
>
> --
> George Carr
> Certified Chip Carving Instructor
> Amateur Radio Station - WA5KBH
>

From radiomb at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec 17 05:29:24 2017
From: radiomb at bellsouth.net (radiomb)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32
References: <870824853.7434.1513488564356.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <870824853.7434.1513488564356@mail.yahoo.com>

 Does the current version of SATPC32 run on Windows 10?
Thanks and 73,?? Mike? K4MIA

From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 13:03:49 2017
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:03:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32
In-Reply-To: <870824853.7434.1513488564356@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <870824853.7434.1513488564356.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<870824853.7434.1513488564356@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMY9FeYU9LZXSoaN+K=ALWbCq1wdv0o=SH7TyE55Nc868u++w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S7

On Dec 17, 2017 8:03 AM, "radiomb" <radiomb at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  Does the current version of SATPC32 run on Windows 10?
> Thanks and 73,   Mike  K4MIA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From kg5jup at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 14:04:48 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (Chris Bradley)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:04:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-351 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CANk-AFsD8Ex1ROXxn-igA2_TWHfk1nR=i_SJmGc1QwQzkXAz6A@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-351

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
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In this edition:

* November/December 2017 Apogee View Column Posted on the AMSAT Web
* Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-13  09:00 UTC
* Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch
* Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA
* Satellite Activity From Azores Islands on Christmas
* December 20 Launch for HA-1 CubeSat with FM transponder and SSTV
* Information for Requesting UT1FG/MM QSL Cards
* Two-Part Video Demonstration Working AO-91 from Down Under
* AMSAT Awards Update
* KG5CCI and F4DXV 7,634.775 km QSO Sets New Distance Record on FO-29
* Satellite Shorts From All Over

SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-351.01
ANS-344 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 351.01
 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE December 10, 2017
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-351.01


November/December 2017 Apogee View Column Posted on the AMSAT Web

The November/December 2017 edition of Apogee View, a comprehensive
bimonthly update of AMSAT's activities written by AMSAT President Joe
Spier, K6WAO, has been posted on the AMSAT website.

https://www.amsat.org/apogeeview/

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for the above information]

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-13  09:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Taipei Municipal Ximen Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C.,
direct
via BN?SM (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Contact is a go  for: Thu 2017-12-21 08:49:07 UTC 72  deg

*********************************************************************
*******
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above
contacts.
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free
to send
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

*********************************************************************
*******
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise
noted.

*********************************************************************
*******
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS
website and
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

*********************************************************************
*******
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the
ISS?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.


http://www.ariss-eu.org/

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be
able to
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
*********************************************************************
*******
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored
over 100

schools:

Francesco IK?WGF with 132
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

*********************************************************************
*******
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of
date
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are
additional
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do
your own
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the
listed
time.
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601
date and
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-13 09:00
UTC.
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1199.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1148.
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are
needed.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam,
Northern
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++

QSL  information may be found at:
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

*********************************************************************
*******
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-12 18:00
UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes
showing
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_cor
rection
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30
UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
*********************************************************************
*******
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

[ANS thanks Charlie Sufana AJ9N for the above information]

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Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch

AO-91 is open to all and works great! Now is a good time to join
AMSAT and receive a free digital copy of "Getting Started with
Amateur Satellites"!

Visit https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-membership/
and help AMSAT Keep Amateur Radio in Space.

AMSAT is making our "Getting Started With Amateur Satellites"
book available for a limited time as a download with any paid new
or renewal membership purchased via the AMSAT Store. This offer is
only available with purchases completed online, and for only a limited
time. A perennial favorite, Getting Started is updated every year
with the latest amateur satellite information, and is the premier
primer of satellite operation. The 182 page book is presented in PDF
format, in full color, and covers all aspects of making your first
contacts on a ham radio satellite.

Please take advantage of this offer today by visiting the AMSAT store
at https://www.amsat.org/shop/ and selecting any membership option.
While there, check out our other items, including the M2 LEOpack
antenna system, Arrow antennas, AMSAT shirts, and other swag.

Thank you, and see you soon on AO-91!

[ANS thanks Paul N8HM for the above information]

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Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA

Are you over 70-1/2 years of age and need to meet your IRA's Required
Minimum Distribution for 2017? Consider making a donation to AMSAT!

Under the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015, individuals
over 70-1/2 years of age may make direct transfers of up to $100,000
per year from a traditional IRA to an eligible charity without
increasing their taxable income. Consult your tax advisor or
accountant to make certain you are eligible.

AMSAT is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit educational and scientific
organization whose purpose is to design, construct, launch, and
operate
satellites in space and to provide the support needed to encourage
amateurs to utilize these resources. AMSAT's federal tax ID is
52-0888529.

[ANS thanks the AMSAT Board of Directors for the above information]

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Satellite Activity From Azores Islands on Christmas

Pedro, CU2ZG says he will be active on satellites from grid square
HM58 on Christmas.

His equipment will include an Alaskan Arrow antenna, Yaesu FT-817ND,
Yaesu FT-857D, Kenwood  TS-2000 and a Wouxun KG-UV9DPlus. Most of
the operation will be done  using the TS-2000.

Expected operating days are December 23 and 24, plus December 25
during the afternoon/evening hours. Pedro says this will be a family
holiday and skeds will be accepted depending on his availability.
His exact location will be HM58qm, at the CU7BC QTH (check QRZ.com)
Watch his twitter account (@pdsousa) for updates.

[ANS thanks Pedro, CU2ZG for the above information]

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December 20 Launch for HA-1 CubeSat with FM transponder and SSTV

The IARU has announced frequency coordination has been completed for
HA-1, a 2U CubeSat developed by the Teenagers Amateur Radio Center of
Activity in Huaian, China. HA-1 is planned for launch on December 20.

HA-1 will be mainly used for teenagers in Huaian to carry out
activities
related with amateur radio and aerospace science education. The
cubesat
is equipped with amateur radio repeater and SSTV(Slow Scan Television)
component, which is to validate still image transmission in narrowband
voice channel.

There is an SSTV beacon, which puts Date/Time/Location
information/temp-
erature etc on a SSTV picture. Amateurs worldwide can also use HA-1 to
test SSTV via the cubesat.

Uplink:    145.930 MHz FM
Downlink:  436.950 MHz FM
Telemetry: 437.350 MHz 9k6 BPSK

[ANS thanks the IARU for the above information]

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Information for Requesting UT1FG/MM QSL Cards

John, K8YSE, posted a message on the amsat-bb on behalf of Yuri,
UT1FG/MM currently at sea aboard the MV Seahorse, "Yuri has asked
that anyone who has not received confirmations from this year and
previous year's operations to prepare logsheets so that he can mail
them out when he arrives in New Orleans."

John has posted an Excel Spreadsheet for you to enter your log data
plus an example of a completed log sheet at:
http://www.papays.com/sat/ut1fgqsl.html

John's web page includes instructions to prepare your logsheet of
QSO's
that Yuri can print, verify, sign and mail from one of his destination
ports. E-mail your logsheet to John at the address he lists in his
instructions. John will send an acknowledgement email when he receives
your request. This way you will know that Yuri will have your
logsheet.

Marinetraffic.com anticipates a December 15-16 arrival in New Orleans.
John requests you send your logsheet QSL request as soon as possible
so Yuri will have time to get them ready for mailing.

Yuri's current ship, Seahorse, is a relatively new ship and is wider
than previous vessels he has captained so it cannot go through the
locks in the Great Lakes. On this voyage he will be more restricted
as to possible destinations than he was last season.

John concluded, "Yuri has been very busy with his duties and has
had little time for anything else. He sends his regards to all."

[ANS thanks John Papay, K8YSE for the above information]

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Two-Part Video Demonstration Working AO-91 from Down Under

Peter Parker, VK3YE, has published two excellent introduction to
amateur satellites videos. Note that some of the QSO customs shown
are a little different than the common practice in Europe and North
America, but the tips are still generally applicable.

Peter, VK3YE, describes his two-part video demonstration as,
"A new amateur satellite has just gone up and it's super easy to
work. You just need a pair of handhelds on 2m & 70cm FM.  Watch
this video to find out how to make contacts through AO91 with
equipment you probably already have."
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astteV2umOg
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNB7Nc4HFYs&feature=youtu.be

[ANS thanks Peter Parker, VK3YE, and Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for
 the above information]

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AMSAT Awards Update

We have a good list of recipients this time for the AMSAT Awards. This
will also be the last update for 2017. With the new satellites this
year
and a crop of new ones coming in 2018 there will be a lot of operating
going on.

AMSAT Satellite Communicators Award for making their first satellite
QSO
Perikles Monioudis, HB9IQB
Tae-Ryon Kim, DS5DNO
Lawrence Witker, KE8BHX
Adam Zabrowski, W8OOO
Robert Twigg, KE8GDD
Dan Howard, VA3MA

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AMSAT Communications Achievement Award
Ed Poccia, KC2LM, #579

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AMSAT Sexagesimal Award
Adrian Liggins, VA3NNA, $180
Mac Cody, AE5PH, #181

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AMSAT Century Club Award
George Carr, WA5KBH, #53

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AMSAT Robert W. Barbee Jr., W4AMI Award
Carlo Morandi, IK4JQQ, #93
Mac Cody, AE5PH, #94

------

Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards

[ANS thanks Peter Bruce Paige, KK5DO for
 the above information]

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KG5CCI and F4DXV 7,634.775 km QSO Sets New Distance Record on FO-29

David Swanson, KG5CCI, and Jerome Lecuyer, F4DXV completed a
7,634.775 km QSO on December 12 via FO-29. This eclipses their
previous record on that satellite by 26.62 km and greatly
exceeds the theoretical maximum range of the satellite,
which is calculated at 7,502 km. Video of the QSO as recorded
by F4DXV can be viewed at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPe9wSOvAY&feature=youtu.be

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for the above information]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ Did you know you can help AMSAT by logging into your Amazon
   account using http://smile.amazon.com/ch/52-0888529 to designate
   AMSAT-NA as the organization of your choice. When shopping on-line
   you must use the URL http://smile.amazon.com  for AMSAT to receive
   the donation from your purchases.

+ 2017: FUNcube Status and New Developments - Wouter Weggelaar,
   PA3WEG walks us through the whole FUNcube family of spacecraft
   at the AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium in Milton Keynes,
   October 15th 2017. Watch on-line at:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELFoLtm44Kc&feature=share

+ While waiting for the next satellite pass have a listen at
   http://www.livemeteors.com/ to hear meteor pings as they
   happen. The pings are a bit more frequent during the popular
   meteor showers.

+ Hackaday posted an article showing how to build your own azimuth-
   elevation rotor: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-HackadayRotor
   (via Bernhard, VA6BMJ)

+ The 3Y0Z DXpedition Team on Bouvet Island is asking the amateur
   radio community to help with flying costs. See the details on
   the web: http://www.bouvetdx.org/news-and-updates/

+ European Space Agency astronaut Paolo Nespoli, IZ?JPA, is compiling
   TimeLapseADay videos and is sharing them on-line. These can be
   found on his playlist posted on YouTube:
   http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344TimeLapseADay

+ The December 2017 issue of SatMagazine has been posted at:
   http://www.satmagazine.com/  Vytenis Buzas LY1ZY features in
   this issue, see pages 76-77.

+ Read about new analysis of the famous Hubble Deep Field images and
   watch a video scan across the Deep Field. Each of those blobs and
   dots is a galaxy. See: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-UniverseToday

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/EX

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Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information. And, with that consider that bowling is more advantageous
than golf since you rarely lose a bowling ball.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Chris Bradley, AA5EM
aa5em at amsat dot org

From kg5jup at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 14:40:19 2017
From: kg5jup at gmail.com (Chris Bradley)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:40:19 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-351 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CANk-AFu4Q7pOVBJ-L_Fuk4R6=cu+GwfFgDGKKqrpWEJmq1BLyg@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-351

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans

In this edition:

* November/December 2017 Apogee View Column Posted on the AMSAT Web
* Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-13  09:00 UTC
* Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch
* Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA
* Satellite Activity From Azores Islands on Christmas
* December 20 Launch for HA-1 CubeSat with FM transponder and SSTV
* Information for Requesting UT1FG/MM QSL Cards
* Two-Part Video Demonstration Working AO-91 from Down Under
* AMSAT Awards Update
* KG5CCI and F4DXV 7,634.775 km QSO Sets New Distance Record on FO-29
* Satellite Shorts From All Over

SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-351.01
ANS-344 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 351.01
 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE December 10, 2017
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-351.01


November/December 2017 Apogee View Column Posted on the AMSAT Web

The November/December 2017 edition of Apogee View, a comprehensive
bimonthly update of AMSAT's activities written by AMSAT President Joe
Spier, K6WAO, has been posted on the AMSAT website.

https://www.amsat.org/apogeeview/

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for the above information]

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-13  09:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Taipei Municipal Ximen Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C.,
direct
via BN?SM (***)
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Contact is a go  for: Thu 2017-12-21 08:49:07 UTC 72  deg

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*******
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above
contacts.
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free
to send
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

*********************************************************************
*******
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise
noted.

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*******
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS
website and
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

*********************************************************************
*******
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the
ISS?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.


http://www.ariss-eu.org/

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be
able to
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
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*******
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored
over 100

schools:

Francesco IK?WGF with 132
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 126
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

*********************************************************************
*******
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of
date
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are
additional
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do
your own
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the
listed
time.
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601
date and
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-13 09:00
UTC.
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1199.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1148.
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are
needed.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam,
Northern
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++

QSL  information may be found at:
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

*********************************************************************
*******
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-12 18:00
UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes
showing
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_cor
rection
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30
UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
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*******
Exp.  52 on orbit
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

[ANS thanks Charlie Sufana AJ9N for the above information]

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Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch

AO-91 is open to all and works great! Now is a good time to join
AMSAT and receive a free digital copy of "Getting Started with
Amateur Satellites"!

Visit https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-membership/
and help AMSAT Keep Amateur Radio in Space.

AMSAT is making our "Getting Started With Amateur Satellites"
book available for a limited time as a download with any paid new
or renewal membership purchased via the AMSAT Store. This offer is
only available with purchases completed online, and for only a limited
time. A perennial favorite, Getting Started is updated every year
with the latest amateur satellite information, and is the premier
primer of satellite operation. The 182 page book is presented in PDF
format, in full color, and covers all aspects of making your first
contacts on a ham radio satellite.

Please take advantage of this offer today by visiting the AMSAT store
at https://www.amsat.org/shop/ and selecting any membership option.
While there, check out our other items, including the M2 LEOpack
antenna system, Arrow antennas, AMSAT shirts, and other swag.

Thank you, and see you soon on AO-91!

[ANS thanks Paul N8HM for the above information]

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Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA

Are you over 70-1/2 years of age and need to meet your IRA's Required
Minimum Distribution for 2017? Consider making a donation to AMSAT!

Under the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015, individuals
over 70-1/2 years of age may make direct transfers of up to $100,000
per year from a traditional IRA to an eligible charity without
increasing their taxable income. Consult your tax advisor or
accountant to make certain you are eligible.

AMSAT is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit educational and scientific
organization whose purpose is to design, construct, launch, and
operate
satellites in space and to provide the support needed to encourage
amateurs to utilize these resources. AMSAT's federal tax ID is
52-0888529.

[ANS thanks the AMSAT Board of Directors for the above information]

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Satellite Activity From Azores Islands on Christmas

Pedro, CU2ZG says he will be active on satellites from grid square
HM58 on Christmas.

His equipment will include an Alaskan Arrow antenna, Yaesu FT-817ND,
Yaesu FT-857D, Kenwood  TS-2000 and a Wouxun KG-UV9DPlus. Most of
the operation will be done  using the TS-2000.

Expected operating days are December 23 and 24, plus December 25
during the afternoon/evening hours. Pedro says this will be a family
holiday and skeds will be accepted depending on his availability.
His exact location will be HM58qm, at the CU7BC QTH (check QRZ.com)
Watch his twitter account (@pdsousa) for updates.

[ANS thanks Pedro, CU2ZG for the above information]

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December 20 Launch for HA-1 CubeSat with FM transponder and SSTV

The IARU has announced frequency coordination has been completed for
HA-1, a 2U CubeSat developed by the Teenagers Amateur Radio Center of
Activity in Huaian, China. HA-1 is planned for launch on December 20.

HA-1 will be mainly used for teenagers in Huaian to carry out
activities
related with amateur radio and aerospace science education. The
cubesat
is equipped with amateur radio repeater and SSTV(Slow Scan Television)
component, which is to validate still image transmission in narrowband
voice channel.

There is an SSTV beacon, which puts Date/Time/Location
information/temp-
erature etc on a SSTV picture. Amateurs worldwide can also use HA-1 to
test SSTV via the cubesat.

Uplink:    145.930 MHz FM
Downlink:  436.950 MHz FM
Telemetry: 437.350 MHz 9k6 BPSK

[ANS thanks the IARU for the above information]

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Information for Requesting UT1FG/MM QSL Cards

John, K8YSE, posted a message on the amsat-bb on behalf of Yuri,
UT1FG/MM currently at sea aboard the MV Seahorse, "Yuri has asked
that anyone who has not received confirmations from this year and
previous year's operations to prepare logsheets so that he can mail
them out when he arrives in New Orleans."

John has posted an Excel Spreadsheet for you to enter your log data
plus an example of a completed log sheet at:
http://www.papays.com/sat/ut1fgqsl.html

John's web page includes instructions to prepare your logsheet of
QSO's
that Yuri can print, verify, sign and mail from one of his destination
ports. E-mail your logsheet to John at the address he lists in his
instructions. John will send an acknowledgement email when he receives
your request. This way you will know that Yuri will have your
logsheet.

Marinetraffic.com anticipates a December 15-16 arrival in New Orleans.
John requests you send your logsheet QSL request as soon as possible
so Yuri will have time to get them ready for mailing.

Yuri's current ship, Seahorse, is a relatively new ship and is wider
than previous vessels he has captained so it cannot go through the
locks in the Great Lakes. On this voyage he will be more restricted
as to possible destinations than he was last season.

John concluded, "Yuri has been very busy with his duties and has
had little time for anything else. He sends his regards to all."

[ANS thanks John Papay, K8YSE for the above information]

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Two-Part Video Demonstration Working AO-91 from Down Under

Peter Parker, VK3YE, has published two excellent introduction to
amateur satellites videos. Note that some of the QSO customs shown
are a little different than the common practice in Europe and North
America, but the tips are still generally applicable.

Peter, VK3YE, describes his two-part video demonstration as,
"A new amateur satellite has just gone up and it's super easy to
work. You just need a pair of handhelds on 2m & 70cm FM.  Watch
this video to find out how to make contacts through AO91 with
equipment you probably already have."
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astteV2umOg
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNB7Nc4HFYs&feature=youtu.be

[ANS thanks Peter Parker, VK3YE, and Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for
 the above information]

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AMSAT Awards Update

We have a good list of recipients this time for the AMSAT Awards. This
will also be the last update for 2017. With the new satellites this
year
and a crop of new ones coming in 2018 there will be a lot of operating
going on.

AMSAT Satellite Communicators Award for making their first satellite
QSO
Perikles Monioudis, HB9IQB
Tae-Ryon Kim, DS5DNO
Lawrence Witker, KE8BHX
Adam Zabrowski, W8OOO
Robert Twigg, KE8GDD
Dan Howard, VA3MA

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AMSAT Communications Achievement Award
Ed Poccia, KC2LM, #579

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AMSAT Sexagesimal Award
Adrian Liggins, VA3NNA, $180
Mac Cody, AE5PH, #181

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AMSAT Century Club Award
George Carr, WA5KBH, #53

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AMSAT Robert W. Barbee Jr., W4AMI Award
Carlo Morandi, IK4JQQ, #93
Mac Cody, AE5PH, #94

------

Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards

[ANS thanks Peter Bruce Paige, KK5DO for
 the above information]

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KG5CCI and F4DXV 7,634.775 km QSO Sets New Distance Record on FO-29

David Swanson, KG5CCI, and Jerome Lecuyer, F4DXV completed a
7,634.775 km QSO on December 12 via FO-29. This eclipses their
previous record on that satellite by 26.62 km and greatly
exceeds the theoretical maximum range of the satellite,
which is calculated at 7,502 km. Video of the QSO as recorded
by F4DXV can be viewed at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPe9wSOvAY&feature=youtu.be

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM for the above information]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ Did you know you can help AMSAT by logging into your Amazon
   account using http://smile.amazon.com/ch/52-0888529 to designate
   AMSAT-NA as the organization of your choice. When shopping on-line
   you must use the URL http://smile.amazon.com  for AMSAT to receive
   the donation from your purchases.

+ 2017: FUNcube Status and New Developments - Wouter Weggelaar,
   PA3WEG walks us through the whole FUNcube family of spacecraft
   at the AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium in Milton Keynes,
   October 15th 2017. Watch on-line at:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELFoLtm44Kc&feature=share

+ While waiting for the next satellite pass have a listen at
   http://www.livemeteors.com/ to hear meteor pings as they
   happen. The pings are a bit more frequent during the popular
   meteor showers.

+ Hackaday posted an article showing how to build your own azimuth-
   elevation rotor: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-HackadayRotor
   (via Bernhard, VA6BMJ)

+ The 3Y0Z DXpedition Team on Bouvet Island is asking the amateur
   radio community to help with flying costs. See the details on
   the web: http://www.bouvetdx.org/news-and-updates/

+ European Space Agency astronaut Paolo Nespoli, IZ?JPA, is compiling
   TimeLapseADay videos and is sharing them on-line. These can be
   found on his playlist posted on YouTube:
   http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344TimeLapseADay

+ The December 2017 issue of SatMagazine has been posted at:
   http://www.satmagazine.com/  Vytenis Buzas LY1ZY features in
   this issue, see pages 76-77.

+ Read about new analysis of the famous Hubble Deep Field images and
   watch a video scan across the Deep Field. Each of those blobs and
   dots is a galaxy. See: http://tinyurl.com/ANS-344-UniverseToday

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/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information. And, with that consider that bowling is more advantageous
than golf since you rarely lose a bowling ball.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Chris Bradley, AA5EM
aa5em at amsat dot org

From endaf99 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 21:15:59 2017
From: endaf99 at gmail.com (Endaf Buckley)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:15:59 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net.
Message-ID: <CAOG5GhS+P+okyK5+6qP5pan7u85sqovBk5EKSm-2j0Ajo7HYgA@mail.gmail.com>

The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net Monday at 03:30 UTC on Reflector 9C. This
is not affiliated with AMSAT and is just an informal round table type net
discussing all things satellite and more.

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 21:29:34 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 16:29:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net.
In-Reply-To: <CAOG5GhS+P+okyK5+6qP5pan7u85sqovBk5EKSm-2j0Ajo7HYgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOG5GhS+P+okyK5+6qP5pan7u85sqovBk5EKSm-2j0Ajo7HYgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA2AF6F797374B62BF1A13D7C9FCD190@CSI9020>

Is this net, or access to any D-STAR Reflectors for that matter, available 
on Echolink or any other internet-only source?

(short of having a "real" D-STAR radio?)

Thanks!

-Scott,  K4KDR


======================================

-----Original Message----- 
From: Endaf Buckley
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:15 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net.

The Unofficial AMSAT D-STAR net Monday at 03:30 UTC on Reflector 9C. This
is not affiliated with AMSAT and is just an informal round table type net
discussing all things satellite and more. 


From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Sun Dec 17 15:30:13 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:30:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: AMSAT CW ACTIVITY DAY
In-Reply-To: <16045f72af7-1720-10a2c@webjas-vaa223.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <16045f72af7-1720-10a2c@webjas-vaa223.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <1606518c7bb-172f-54ae0@webjas-vac221.srv.aolmail.net>





-----Original Message-----
From: rsoifer1 <rsoifer1 at aol.com>
To: ans-editor <ans-editor at amsat.org>
Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 7:25 am
Subject: AMSAT CW ACTIVITY DAY


AMSAT CW ACTIVITY DAY 2018 IN MEMORY OF G3IOR
\
You are cordially invited to participate in AMSAT's second annual CW Activity Day.  It will be held from 0001 to 2400 UTC on January 1, 2018.  This year's event is dedicated to the memory of Pat Gowen, G3IOR.


The rules are very simple: there aren't any.  Just operate CW through any amateur radio satellite.  Straight keys and "bugs" are encouraged, but not required.  The important thing is to get on the air and have fun.


CU on January 1st!


73 Ray W2RS




























































































From fgeraci14 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 21:12:26 2017
From: fgeraci14 at gmail.com (Francis Geraci)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 16:12:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite tracking
Message-ID: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen, Scholars and Sky Commanders,

I have a rather perplexing issue with tracking AO-91.

I have been enjoying Satellites since the RS series, and I earned the Amsat
Achievement Award.  So, I'm not a "noobee"

I have been trying to copy AO-91 since she was launched using HRD sat
tracker, with no success. It passes overhead, EL94MS, roughly the same time
everyday, and have never heard it. Today, doubting HRD, I ran Amsat
satellite tracking Web based tracker alongside HRD and AmsatDroid on my
phone. I showed me HRD was "lagging" behind Amsat tracking by a full 3
minutes !!  My "keps" are current, clock is "synched". As you all know, 3
minutes is a "lifetime" in satellite tracking. Amsat Web and Amsat Droid
were "synched", probably using the same data set. WHO IS RIGHT ?

I guess I'll set up another laptop and run SatPC32 and "pull" from some
other Web trackers. I'm confined to trying to Listen for now. As You all
know "If Ya can't hear Em, Ya can't work Em". Geezee, Am I showing My age.

Best to You all "functioning Brains" out there. ESPECIALLY, the "Fox" Team.
Thanks for a great Bird.

Francis - De.. WB1FXX

From py4zbz at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 17 21:38:23 2017
From: py4zbz at yahoo.com (Roland Zurmely)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:38:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] First QSL sent by ATX-1 !
References: <1745269120.198685.1513546703359.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1745269120.198685.1513546703359@mail.yahoo.com>

Received today the first QSL card sent directly from Athenoxat-1 :
<http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/athenoxat.htm#g>
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ

From pconver at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 22:24:38 2017
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:24:38 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite tracking
In-Reply-To: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANTZqKmbUnXf1TORjtQJzWnx38LNu=Jgn__dHqsFmEzFWx=xiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Francis,

Try track with http://amsat.org.ar/pass don't need to update Keps.

Hope you success and luck with the fantastic AO-91.

73, LU7ABF, Pedro

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Francis Geraci <fgeraci14 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gentlemen, Scholars and Sky Commanders,
>
> I have a rather perplexing issue with tracking AO-91.
>
> I have been enjoying Satellites since the RS series, and I earned the Amsat
> Achievement Award.  So, I'm not a "noobee"
>
> I have been trying to copy AO-91 since she was launched using HRD sat
> tracker, with no success. It passes overhead, EL94MS, roughly the same time
> everyday, and have never heard it. Today, doubting HRD, I ran Amsat
> satellite tracking Web based tracker alongside HRD and AmsatDroid on my
> phone. I showed me HRD was "lagging" behind Amsat tracking by a full 3
> minutes !!  My "keps" are current, clock is "synched". As you all know, 3
> minutes is a "lifetime" in satellite tracking. Amsat Web and Amsat Droid
> were "synched", probably using the same data set. WHO IS RIGHT ?
>
> I guess I'll set up another laptop and run SatPC32 and "pull" from some
> other Web trackers. I'm confined to trying to Listen for now. As You all
> know "If Ya can't hear Em, Ya can't work Em". Geezee, Am I showing My age.
>
> Best to You all "functioning Brains" out there. ESPECIALLY, the "Fox" Team.
> Thanks for a great Bird.
>
> Francis - De.. WB1FXX
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From WB4SON at gmail.com  Sun Dec 17 22:52:51 2017
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:52:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite tracking
In-Reply-To: <CANTZqKmbUnXf1TORjtQJzWnx38LNu=Jgn__dHqsFmEzFWx=xiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANTZqKmbUnXf1TORjtQJzWnx38LNu=Jgn__dHqsFmEzFWx=xiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ_QrNmBQGNSoYN1QdGZ7HTEAL59NrNp58oDFtgyZM13SQ@mail.gmail.com>

Was there not an "object" number change a couple weeks back?  Is it
possible that the HRD setup is using the original object # and not the
actual one.

73, Bob, WB4SON


On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Pedro Converso <pconver at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Francis,
>
> Try track with http://amsat.org.ar/pass don't need to update Keps.
>
> Hope you success and luck with the fantastic AO-91.
>
> 73, LU7ABF, Pedro
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Francis Geraci <fgeraci14 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gentlemen, Scholars and Sky Commanders,
> >
> > I have a rather perplexing issue with tracking AO-91.
> >
> > I have been enjoying Satellites since the RS series, and I earned the
> Amsat
> > Achievement Award.  So, I'm not a "noobee"
> >
> > I have been trying to copy AO-91 since she was launched using HRD sat
> > tracker, with no success. It passes overhead, EL94MS, roughly the same
> time
> > everyday, and have never heard it. Today, doubting HRD, I ran Amsat
> > satellite tracking Web based tracker alongside HRD and AmsatDroid on my
> > phone. I showed me HRD was "lagging" behind Amsat tracking by a full 3
> > minutes !!  My "keps" are current, clock is "synched". As you all know, 3
> > minutes is a "lifetime" in satellite tracking. Amsat Web and Amsat Droid
> > were "synched", probably using the same data set. WHO IS RIGHT ?
> >
> > I guess I'll set up another laptop and run SatPC32 and "pull" from some
> > other Web trackers. I'm confined to trying to Listen for now. As You all
> > know "If Ya can't hear Em, Ya can't work Em". Geezee, Am I showing My
> age.
> >
> > Best to You all "functioning Brains" out there. ESPECIALLY, the "Fox"
> Team.
> > Thanks for a great Bird.
> >
> > Francis - De.. WB1FXX
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl  Mon Dec 18 10:07:33 2017
From: koos at kzdoos.xs4all.nl (Koos van den Hout)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:07:33 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite tracking
In-Reply-To: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20171218100733.GA25772@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>

Quoting Francis Geraci who wrote on Sun 2017-12-17 at 16:12:

> minutes !!  My "keps" are current, clock is "synched". As you all know, 3
> minutes is a "lifetime" in satellite tracking. Amsat Web and Amsat Droid
> were "synched", probably using the same data set. WHO IS RIGHT ?

The last knowledge I saw shared is that AO-91 is Norad object #43017
which I got from
http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2017-November/065630.html

Before that prior knowledge was that it was object #43016, so things
changed.

I have had my own issues in gpredict of newly launched objects changing not
being updated, so this is not a complete surprise to me on a new object.

Koos PE4KH

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From paulopv8dx at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 12:27:17 2017
From: paulopv8dx at gmail.com (Paulo PV8DX)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:27:17 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] First QSL sent by ATX-1 !
In-Reply-To: <1745269120.198685.1513546703359@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1745269120.198685.1513546703359.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1745269120.198685.1513546703359@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95A2D72931A14BCE9CE4F81D394D588F@PauloPV8DX>

Sensational!

Congratulations, Roland.



73 de Paulo PV8DX
LABRE - ARRL
AMSAT member
FJ92pt - VUCC SAT
www.qrz.com/db/pv8dx
ARISS contact 13/02/2014 Exp.37
http://www.labre-rr.org/ariss.html
pv8dx at arrl.net
Boa Vista-RR-Brasil

-----Mensagem Original----- 
From: Roland Zurmely via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 5:38 PM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] First QSL sent by ATX-1 !

Received today the first QSL card sent directly from Athenoxat-1 :
<http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/athenoxat.htm#g>
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ
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From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 18:43:01 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 10:43:01 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite tracking
In-Reply-To: <20171218100733.GA25772@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
References: <CA+QL-dCeqQD+Y1XGr9g=QEO=B-s+OLP1HSk7hcfn9M8EU4+iwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20171218100733.GA25772@kzdoos.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <e189ef11-e30f-aeb9-a5d6-95596367b7fb@gmail.com>

Yep, that's happened to me as well.  I had to dive deep into gpredict's
database and remove the file for the old satellite number.  Re-update
from network, and it should fetch the right info.  I think what happens
is that the change in satellite number is not updated in the file, so it
continues to reference the TLE info from before the change.  If the
surgical approach doesn't work, you can just remove (rename for safe
keeping) the entire satdata directory and refetch everything anew.

On my OpenSuSE Leap system, it's all stored under ~/.config/Gpredict/satdata

Greg  KO6TH


Koos van den Hout wrote:
> I have had my own issues in gpredict of newly launched objects changing not
> being updated, so this is not a complete surprise to me on a new object.


From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 18 22:46:47 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:46:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS News Release No. 17-11
Message-ID: <B25C79B2C49748B1AF88C3C52F8A0D67@DHJ>

 

 

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

                                         ARISS NEWS RELEASE                                     

No. 17-10                                                                                                                                                             

 

13 US Schools/Groups Move Into Phase 2 of ARISS Selections

 

December 18, 2017 - The ARISS-US Team (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station)  is pleased to announce that 13 of the 25 schools or organizations submitting proposals have been selected to advance to the next stage of planning to host amateur radio contacts in July to December 2018.  The contacts will be with International Space Station (ISS) crew members using the ARISS equipment on the ISS.  A review team of educators from the new ARISS-US Education Committee selected proposals after the recent proposal window closed. The groups will go forward into Phase 2, the submitting of an amateur radio equipment plan to host a scheduled ARISS contact.  

 

ARISS's primary goal is to engage young people in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) activities, and involve them in activities related to space exploration, amateur radio, communications, and areas of associated study and career possibilities. 

 

ARISS anticipates that NASA will be able to provide scheduling opportunities for these US host organizations during the second half of 2018.  These candidates must now complete an equipment plan that demonstrates their ability to execute the ham radio contact. Once their equipment plan is approved by the ARISS technical team, the final selected schools / organizations will be scheduled as their availability and flexibility match up with the scheduling opportunities. 

 

 

The schools and organizations are:

        Allen Park Elementary School, Lee County School District
      Ft. Myers FL
     
        Ashford School
      Ashford CT
     
        Bishop O'Connell High School
      Arlington VA
     
        Delcastle Technical High School
      Wilmington DE
     
        Hudson Memorial School
      Hudson NH
     
        Kopernik Observatory & Science Center
      Vestal NY 
     
        Mendez Fundamental Intermediate School
      Santa Ana CA
     
        Pathfinder Regional Vocational Technical High School
      Palmer MA
     
        Pearl Technology STEM Academy
      Peoria Heights IL
     
        Pell Elementary School
      Newport RI
     
       
      
     
        St. Catherine of Bologna School
      Ringwood NJ
     
        Tallmadge Community Learning Center
      Lancaster OH
     
        Valley High School
      Albuquerque NM
     

 

 

ABOUT ARISS

 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

 

Find more information at www.ariss.org, and also www.amsat.organd www.arrl.org.

 

###

 

Contact:

David Jordan, AA4KN

ARISS PR

aa4kn at amsat.org

(321) 662-9486

                                                                                                                                                

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From jbr13 at md.metrocast.net  Mon Dec 18 22:02:03 2017
From: jbr13 at md.metrocast.net (Jason Rearick)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:02:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] PCSat32 Frequency Calibration.
Message-ID: <E81107BE30764F87BA1B6657FB49DE67@DESKTOPPHNOMM1>

Group,  I spent most of my weekend working on my little SSB satellite station.  I am now up and running using a FT-817 for uplink, SRDPlay with SDR Console software for downlink, Arrow antenna, and PCSat32.  It was a little bit of a struggle getting all communicating but I now have it working, and even made some contacts on AO-7, and one of the XW-2 sats. (thanks WU2M for working me on three different sats this weekend)   I am having an issue with calibration on using PCSat32.  One of the passes this weekend I noticed I was coming down about 800 - 1200 hz above the station I was receiving, another time I was about that same amount below.  I read through the help file for PCSat and the next pass I raised my uplink freq. so it would lower my freq. in the downlink bandpass.  I also then had to put in a correction for my downlink frequency.  After doing this, I was really close to the zero beating the station I worked.   The next satellite I tried, I was off again by 1000-1500 k!
Hz.

Is this something I will have to do every pass, for every satellite, or will this offset be saved in PCSat32 in the future passes.  Right now I am running PCSat in Demo mode, and have paid for registration and waiting for my key to be emailed.  Will things work better once I get it running as registered copy?


Thank for your time and advice.


73
Jason Rearick
N3YUG

From framirezferrer at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 23:30:17 2017
From: framirezferrer at gmail.com (Fernando Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:30:17 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] PCSat32 Frequency Calibration.
In-Reply-To: <E81107BE30764F87BA1B6657FB49DE67@DESKTOPPHNOMM1>
References: <E81107BE30764F87BA1B6657FB49DE67@DESKTOPPHNOMM1>
Message-ID: <CAGHXx8ikKkaTmk8upw4FvmhWuUqZKOzg=uy7rqOynrTrNQeZSw@mail.gmail.com>

Jason,

I used the same setup until last month. I also noticed that sometimes I
needed to calibrate the frequency at the beginning of the pass.

Make sure your clock is synchronized and your keps are up to date.

Hope to hear you soon!

NP4JV
DM41, Arizona

On Dec 18, 2017 4:12 PM, "Jason Rearick" <jbr13 at md.metrocast.net> wrote:

> Group,  I spent most of my weekend working on my little SSB satellite
> station.  I am now up and running using a FT-817 for uplink, SRDPlay with
> SDR Console software for downlink, Arrow antenna, and PCSat32.  It was a
> little bit of a struggle getting all communicating but I now have it
> working, and even made some contacts on AO-7, and one of the XW-2 sats.
> (thanks WU2M for working me on three different sats this weekend)   I am
> having an issue with calibration on using PCSat32.  One of the passes this
> weekend I noticed I was coming down about 800 - 1200 hz above the station I
> was receiving, another time I was about that same amount below.  I read
> through the help file for PCSat and the next pass I raised my uplink freq.
> so it would lower my freq. in the downlink bandpass.  I also then had to
> put in a correction for my downlink frequency.  After doing this, I was
> really close to the zero beating the station I worked.   The next satellite
> I tried, I was off again by 1000-1500 k!
> Hz.
>
> Is this something I will have to do every pass, for every satellite, or
> will this offset be saved in PCSat32 in the future passes.  Right now I am
> running PCSat in Demo mode, and have paid for registration and waiting for
> my key to be emailed.  Will things work better once I get it running as
> registered copy?
>
>
> Thank for your time and advice.
>
>
> 73
> Jason Rearick
> N3YUG
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From ka3hsw at att.net  Tue Dec 19 02:27:12 2017
From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:27:12 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] PCSat32 Frequency Calibration.
In-Reply-To: <E81107BE30764F87BA1B6657FB49DE67@DESKTOPPHNOMM1>
References: <E81107BE30764F87BA1B6657FB49DE67@DESKTOPPHNOMM1>
Message-ID: <627238B33A6E4B9983F80708D7C49792@RadioRoomPC>

You need to do it for each satellite.  And AO-73 drifts, so you'll do best
on that one by manual tuning each pass.


George, KA3HSW



-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jason
Rearick
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:02 PM
To: AMSAT BB SAT
Subject: [amsat-bb] PCSat32 Frequency Calibration.

Group,  I spent most of my weekend working on my little SSB satellite
station.  I am now up and running using a FT-817 for uplink, SRDPlay with
SDR Console software for downlink, Arrow antenna, and PCSat32.  It was a
little bit of a struggle getting all communicating but I now have it
working, and even made some contacts on AO-7, and one of the XW-2 sats.
(thanks WU2M for working me on three different sats this weekend)   I am
having an issue with calibration on using PCSat32.  One of the passes this
weekend I noticed I was coming down about 800 - 1200 hz above the station I
was receiving, another time I was about that same amount below.  I read
through the help file for PCSat and the next pass I raised my uplink freq.
so it would lower my freq. in the downlink bandpass.  I also then had to put
in a correction for my downlink frequency.  After doing this, I was really
close to the zero beating the station I worked.   The next satellite I
tried, I was off again by 1000-1500 k!
Hz.

Is this something I will have to do every pass, for every satellite, or will
this offset be saved in PCSat32 in the future passes.  Right now I am
running PCSat in Demo mode, and have paid for registration and waiting for
my key to be emailed.  Will things work better once I get it running as
registered copy?


Thank for your time and advice.


73
Jason Rearick
N3YUG


From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 19 13:57:05 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:57:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 software reload
Message-ID: <66BB8248-91C0-46A5-9EDB-3393F36870B4@mindspring.com>

Falconsat-3 will be undergoing a software reload the next several days. The satellite will likely be off except for over the eastern US. Please do not transmit to the BBS or Digipeater until we let you know we've completed the reload.

Thanks and 73, 

Drew KO4MA
AMSAT VP Operations

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 19 14:42:20 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:42:20 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Taipei Municipal Ximen
	Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C.
Message-ID: <1605F0EC19A842A3895843B5CE52B2AA@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Taipei Municipal Ximen Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C on 21 Dec.. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 08:49 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between OR4ISS and BN0SM. The contact should be audible over Taiwan and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

In 1972, our school was established as branch of Nanmen Elementary School in response to the development of the city; and became an independent school in 1973. Our school is located in the center of the city, with convenient transportation, and is close to the City Hall and District Office. Our school district is home to the Municipal Bureau of Cultural Affairs and many other organizations, which make for surroundings rich in cultural resources. 

 

Education Concept 

  Students First: Use Flipped Education to restore students of autonomy in learning and equip them with skills for the future. 

Teachers First: Use a high-quality education system to give teachers space to put all their talents and passion into play. Reform the education system to upgrade teachers of teaching. 

Parents First: Amid reforming policies, work with parents to improve education for the children. Turn parents into partners of the teachers on the journey of education. 

Environments First: Construct action learning, international vision, and independent studying to create a learning environment where students can learn anywhere anytime. 

 

Total Number of Pupils: 1445 (Grade 1~Grade 6)

Total Number of Classes: 59

Total Number of Teachers & Staffs: 115

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

 

1. Are there aliens in outer space?

2. How much time on earth is one hour in space?

3. If I want to be an astronaut, what do I need to do?

4. We know that the water in ISS is recycled from your urine, do you drink  

   it? How does it taste like?

5. How do you train your body to stay healthy?

6. Which material is a space station made out of?

7. Do you get bored on the ISS?

8. How do you live and sleep in space?

9. What is the most difficult aspect of an astronaut?

10. What is the hardest thing you`ve experienced for the first time in ISS?

11. Does food taste the same in space?

12. Is it comfortable in a spacesuit?

13. What do you fear most in space?  Why?

14. What is your daily work when you are in ISS?

15. What do you like to do in space in your leisure time?

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

      TBD

 

About ARISS: 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From n6jsx at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 19 14:52:38 2017
From: n6jsx at yahoo.com (Dale Kubichek)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:52:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] P3E - progress ???
References: <751944513.1147027.1513695158744.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <751944513.1147027.1513695158744@mail.yahoo.com>

I read a few months ago that the P3E project has come back to life and it was closer to launching. I cannot find any data on AMSAT-NA web (in this reincarnation). 
What is the status of P3E (the semi-geosynchronous bird) to in affect replace AO-40?
What is the status of FOX1C & D too?

Best regards,?? 
Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
? 

From n8hm at arrl.net  Tue Dec 19 15:03:22 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:03:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] P3E - progress ???
In-Reply-To: <751944513.1147027.1513695158744@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <751944513.1147027.1513695158744.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<751944513.1147027.1513695158744@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOr20tzATcXBA9J+iMZvy44fqgNqjMx6BvxWD9-O=6ZXKw@mail.gmail.com>

As reported at Dayton in May 2016, the US government opportunity to launch
P3E did not materialize. I am not sure if AMSAT-DL has been pursuing any
other leads to launch P3E as they have been involved with the P4A project
aboard the Es'HailSat-2 geostationary satellite scheduled to launch in
2018. If anyone has a spare $15 million to take P3E to GTO, please contact
AMSAT-DL!

As far as the Fox series:

Fox-1D is scheduled to launch in January from India on PSLV-C40.
Fox-1Cliff is scheduled to launch on Spaceflight's SSO-A mission aboard a
Falcon 9 later in 2018.
RadFxSat-2 (Fox-1E) is scheduled to launch as part of the NASA ELaNa XX
mission aboard Virgin Orbit's LauncherOne in 2018.

Other AMSAT projects:

Virginia Tech continues to pursue opportunities for the P4B project to
geosynchronous orbit.
The GOLF project for CubeSat missions to a wide variety of orbits,
including potentially to HEO, is in its initial stages.

73,

Paul, N8HM



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I read a few months ago that the P3E project has come back to life and it
> was closer to launching. I cannot find any data on AMSAT-NA web (in this
> reincarnation).
> What is the status of P3E (the semi-geosynchronous bird) to in affect
> replace AO-40?
> What is the status of FOX1C & D too?
>
> Best regards,
> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From karn at ka9q.net  Wed Dec 20 05:04:57 2017
From: karn at ka9q.net (Phil Karn)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 21:04:57 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] My old Oscar-10 documents
Message-ID: <a9c78922-9fd5-ce76-77df-783495f90737@ka9q.net>

I've been scanning and categorizing my stacks of paper files, and I've
been working on old AMSAT documents from the early 1980s. I have a good
pile of stuff on Phase 3-B/Oscar-10 that might be of interest to the
old-timers among you (and maybe of archeological interest to others).

I'll be placing these documents in raw form on my personal website.
There's no index or HTML framing at the moment, but hopefully the file
names are at least slightly descriptive.

Watch

http://www.ka9q.net/amsat/Oscar-10

73, Phil

From n8hm at arrl.net  Wed Dec 20 16:52:35 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:52:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
certainly a noteworthy achievement!

73,

Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)

From mjohns166 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 17:02:50 2017
From: mjohns166 at yahoo.com (Mark Johns)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:02:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418764014.1877815.1513789370024@mail.yahoo.com>

Congrats, John! Quite an accomplishment.

--?

Mark D. Johns, K?MDJ?
Minneapolis, MN EN35hd
-----------------------------------------------
"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,?
? ?you would stay out and your dog would go in."?
? ? ?---Mark Twain






On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 10:54:04 AM CST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote: 





Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
certainly a noteworthy achievement!

73,

Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From bryan at kl7cn.net  Wed Dec 20 17:06:30 2017
From: bryan at kl7cn.net (Bryan Green)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:06:30 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <103B9B95-B67B-4796-ADFC-3FB18326DAC4@kl7cn.net>

Well done, John!

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan at kl7cn.net

> On Dec 20, 2017, at 08:52, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
> DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
> available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
> 
> While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
> the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
> sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
> 1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
> advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
> his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
> certainly a noteworthy achievement!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
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From kx9x at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 20 17:11:49 2017
From: kx9x at yahoo.com (Sean K.)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:11:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1314888591.1940163.1513789909832@mail.yahoo.com>

Well done, John! Congratulations!
Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X 

    On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 11:53:02 AM EST, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:  
 
 Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
certainly a noteworthy achievement!

73,

Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
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From w4upd at cfl.rr.com  Wed Dec 20 18:09:38 2017
From: w4upd at cfl.rr.com (w4upd)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:09:38 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A3AA762.4010104@cfl.rr.com>

Congratulations John! Hope to be back on the birds (and new ones) after 
first of the year.

Reid, W4UPD



On 12/20/2017 11:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
> DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
> available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
>
> While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
> the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
> sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
> 1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
> advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
> his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
> certainly a noteworthy achievement!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From af5cc2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 18:32:48 2017
From: af5cc2 at gmail.com (John Geiger)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:32:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHC1P2_AQmJm=2pYkjyBLxSoL+FY9Cibr0azrtnOS6ynTOEviQ@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations John!  I was getting ready to ask if anyone had worked DXCC
on only the LEO satellites.  Guess I now know the answer!

73 John AF5CC

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:

> Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
> DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
> available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
>
> While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
> the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
> sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
> 1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
> advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
> his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
> certainly a noteworthy achievement!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Wed Dec 20 18:38:37 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:37 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <136701d379c1$bff611a0$3fe234e0$@mindspring.com>

Congratulations from Satellite DXCC #324! Doing it all on LEO is a heck of
an accomplishment. 

73, Drew KO4MA

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Stoetzer
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:53 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE

Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite DXCC
with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are available at
http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely the
first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or sub-horizon
Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in 1983. Starting on
satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the advantage of FO-20's higher
LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in his quest to work and confirm 100
DXCCs via satellite.This is certainly a noteworthy achievement!

73,

Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
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From k8bl at ameritech.net  Thu Dec 21 03:49:38 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:49:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1146615001.2334041.1513828178172@mail.yahoo.com>

John,
WAY TO GO!!!! ?CONGRATS!!!
What were the last few and on what Birds???
73 & MX, ? ? Bob ?K8BL

      From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
 To: amsat-bb at amsat.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
   
Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
certainly a noteworthy achievement!

73,

Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
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From wb3csy at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 03:55:36 2017
From: wb3csy at gmail.com (Rick Walter)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:55:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <5A3AA762.4010104@cfl.rr.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A3AA762.4010104@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A965BFC3-F514-4E01-A286-0CD39E495910@gmail.com>

Great job, John. Congratulations!!
Rick WB3CSY

Sent from Rick's iPhone 6S
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clarke

"Klaatu Barada Nikto" - The Day the Earth Stood Still

"I have been, and always shall be, your friend" - Spock
> 

From bill.g.dillon at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 04:04:28 2017
From: bill.g.dillon at gmail.com (Bill Dillon)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:04:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <A965BFC3-F514-4E01-A286-0CD39E495910@gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A3AA762.4010104@cfl.rr.com>
	<A965BFC3-F514-4E01-A286-0CD39E495910@gmail.com>
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Awesome!!  Congratulations John!

73 de Bill, KG5FQX

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Rick Walter <wb3csy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great job, John. Congratulations!!
> Rick WB3CSY
>
> Sent from Rick's iPhone 6S
> "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre
> minds" - Albert Einstein
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" -
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
> "Klaatu Barada Nikto" - The Day the Earth Stood Still
>
> "I have been, and always shall be, your friend" - Spock
> >
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From ec4tr.luis at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 09:22:48 2017
From: ec4tr.luis at gmail.com (EC4TR Luis)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:22:48 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <298e1042-a5b9-4348-6064-c4166496ad0c@gmail.com>

Congrats John

 From "tu amigo" in Spain.

73 Luis
EC4TR


El 20/12/2017 a las 17:52, Paul Stoetzer escribi?:
> Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
> DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
> available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
>
> While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
> the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
> sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
> 1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
> advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
> his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
> certainly a noteworthy achievement!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From py2rn at arrl.net  Thu Dec 21 10:17:32 2017
From: py2rn at arrl.net (Eduardo PY2RN)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:17:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <298e1042-a5b9-4348-6064-c4166496ad0c@gmail.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<298e1042-a5b9-4348-6064-c4166496ad0c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <519126028.2790308.1513851452173@mail.yahoo.com>

Fantastic achievement and well deserved.
John is a great enthusiast, he always helping and incentivating hams all over the world in achieving it too.Congrats John!
73
Ed
PY2RN
 

El 20/12/2017 a las 17:52, Paul Stoetzer :
> Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
> DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
> available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
>
> While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
> the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
> sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
> 1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
> advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
> his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
> certainly a noteworthy achievement!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From py4zbz at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 13:08:46 2017
From: py4zbz at yahoo.com (Roland Zurmely)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:08:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] New QSL from Athenoxat-1
References: <905582165.2506335.1513861726204.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <905582165.2506335.1513861726204@mail.yahoo.com>

The transmission was made in two parts !

<http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/athenoxat.htm#h>
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 21 13:16:40 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:16:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 software reload
In-Reply-To: <66BB8248-91C0-46A5-9EDB-3393F36870B4@mindspring.com>
References: <66BB8248-91C0-46A5-9EDB-3393F36870B4@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <13ac01d37a5d$f06674f0$d1335ed0$@mindspring.com>

The reload is complete and Falconsat-3 is open for business.

73, Drew KO4MA
AMSAT VP Operations

-----Original Message-----
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Glasbrenner
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:57 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 software reload

Falconsat-3 will be undergoing a software reload the next several days. The
satellite will likely be off except for over the eastern US. Please do not
transmit to the BBS or Digipeater until we let you know we've completed the
reload.

Thanks and 73, 

Drew KO4MA
AMSAT VP Operations
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From ingejack at cox.net  Thu Dec 21 14:25:50 2017
From: ingejack at cox.net (alex weimer)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:25:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] satellite dxcc for K8YSE
Message-ID: <1597039244.10292.1513866350864@myemail.cox.net>

Congratulations John ! Great achievement !    JACK KC7MG

From dquagliana at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 14:35:36 2017
From: dquagliana at gmail.com (Douglas Quagliana)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:35:36 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
Message-ID: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>

Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?

Regards,
Douglas KA2UPW/5

From burns at fisher.cc  Thu Dec 21 14:38:42 2017
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:38:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
In-Reply-To: <1146615001.2334041.1513828178172@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABzOSOpvMqVydxMmbMdbx6K+Cbp3DezLTxPfhKzx705fzA5M1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1146615001.2334041.1513828178172@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxXvvnq5Tcb1VHXGhyuRLP95aZqZricdvS4e+XO93y00hA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd also be interested in which QTH John was working from.  I'm guess in
the east, and not in AZ?

Amazing work in any case!

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:49 PM, R.T.Liddy <k8bl at ameritech.net> wrote:

> John,
> WAY TO GO!!!!  CONGRATS!!!
> What were the last few and on what Birds???
> 73 & MX,     Bob  K8BL
>
>       From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net>
>  To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:52 AM
>  Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
>
> Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
> DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
> available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings
>
> While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
> the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
> sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
> 1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
> advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
> his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
> certainly a noteworthy achievement!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM (77 satellite DXCCs worked and counting!)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From zryder94 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 14:41:02 2017
From: zryder94 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:41:02 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGD5MUGzt5iwC-GZ6FSB9GNDJEPb=kuCjyDg_ubSpmzQz+fOcw@mail.gmail.com>

Sure.
https://youtu.be/h73EYcyszf8 is one example from the "other side"

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
> _______________________________________________
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From skristof at etczone.com  Thu Dec 21 15:07:12 2017
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:07:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
 astronaut?
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Thousands of school kids have. 

Steve AI9IN

On 2017-12-21 09:35, Douglas Quagliana wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
> 
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From george.carrii15 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:12:36 2017
From: george.carrii15 at gmail.com (george.carrii15)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:12:36 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
 astronaut?
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Message-ID: <5a3bcf67.fb119d0a.ad73f.96ad@mx.google.com>

Yes, I have right? ?after Hurricane Rita...and with MIR cosmonaut too!73GeorgeWA5KBH


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-------- Original message --------From: skristof at etczone.com Date: 12/21/17  09:07  (GMT-06:00) To: amsat-bb at amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut? 
Thousands of school kids have. 

Steve AI9IN

On 2017-12-21 09:35, Douglas Quagliana wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
> 
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:14:14 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:14:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <9668cae1c1d49a1db73ecea28495eeb5@etczone.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<9668cae1c1d49a1db73ecea28495eeb5@etczone.com>
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Quoting from a webpage [1] I setup:

"While it?s technically possible to talk to astronauts and cosmonauts using
ham radio, the problem is they don?t get on the radio very often to make
random contacts.

With that said, receiving them can be good practice for ultimately talking
to them, and it?s fun on its own.

I recommend monitoring ariss.org for upcoming school contacts in your area
which happen frequently. You can try and listen to them on the downlink at
145.800 MHz FM.

The best way to find out when they?re happening though is to subscribe to
the amsat-bb mailing list and looking for messages like these:
http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-April/057983.html

You can subscribe here: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

In my experience the notifications go out to amsat-bb before anywhere else,
and sometimes ariss.org isn?t updated with the latest info on contacts. I?m
not certain that?s still the case, because I rarely use it, but I know the
amsat-bb emails are consistent.

After the emails go out the @ARISS_Status
<https://twitter.com/ariss_status> Twitter
account is updated and then the ARISS Facebook page
<https://www.facebook.com/Amateur-Radio-on-the-International-Space-Station-ARISS-153679794647788>
is
updated. So if email isn?t your thing and you don?t mind social media, you
can check those accounts. Even better would be to enable mobile Twitter
notifications on the @ARISS_Status <https://twitter.com/ariss_status> account.
I?m not sure if you can do something similar with Facebook.

73,

John KG4AKV"

1) https://spacecomms.wordpress.com/how-to-talk-to-astronauts/

On Dec 21, 2017 10:08 AM, <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:

> Thousands of school kids have.
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
> On 2017-12-21 09:35, Douglas Quagliana wrote:
>
> > Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Douglas KA2UPW/5
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:18:48 2017
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:18:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>

There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.

https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S7

On Dec 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Douglas Quagliana" <dquagliana at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From burns at fisher.cc  Thu Dec 21 15:21:49 2017
From: burns at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:21:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
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I think you all missed the point of Douglas' question which I think is "Do
the astronauts ever talk *ON AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITES*.  We know they talk
direct to the ground on occasion.

73,

Burns W2BFJ

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy S7
>
> On Dec 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Douglas Quagliana" <dquagliana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> > astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Douglas KA2UPW/5
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From oh2fqv at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:24:39 2017
From: oh2fqv at gmail.com (Jari A)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:24:39 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVbYfkx5u48qxjQG8E5Owz5qr_GS4JKtXu=WTKudgwLSASZaw@mail.gmail.com>

If you mean has anyone had a qso with astronaut? Yes. Among others, I'm one
of them. Andre Kuipers work hams at May 2012 on FM.
Within two years, I have entertain myself with packet Ax25 messages to
others keyboard operators via ISS digipeater.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

:Jari / oh2fqv

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy S7
>
> On Dec 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Douglas Quagliana" <dquagliana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> > astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Douglas KA2UPW/5
> > _______________________________________________
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:28:24 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:28:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxV+AYdn2kEj7CzdcG9cN81pQrtMcLNWBPu+NJ_KKPhWEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
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Oops. I did miss that. That would be cool too. Does them talking on their
own crossband repeater count? I think they have done that. Certainly some
of the Kenwood radios they have had allow for it.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Dec 21, 2017 10:23 AM, "Burns Fisher" <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:

> I think you all missed the point of Douglas' question which I think is "Do
> the astronauts ever talk *ON AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITES*.  We know they talk
> direct to the ground on occasion.
>
> 73,
>
> Burns W2BFJ
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Galaxy S7
> >
> > On Dec 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Douglas Quagliana" <dquagliana at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> > > astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Douglas KA2UPW/5
> > > _______________________________________________
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From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Thu Dec 21 16:16:04 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:16:04 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
Message-ID: <16079dc3a23-1724-42afd@webjas-vab232.srv.aolmail.net>

Not quite, Paul.  At least eight Satellite DXCCs were earned without using HEO or Mode K.  They were made using AO-6, AO-7 and the RS birds, some of which were slightly higher than AO-6/7.


In the order they were issued, here are the first seven: W2BXA, W2LV, W1NU, G3IOR, WA2CBB, G6RH and W2YY.  All are now SK except for CBB.


The 8th one was mine, although I was slow to collect QSL cards and my certificate is No. 13.


Congrats to John on being the next one!


73 Ray W2RS

From vlfiscus at mcn.net  Thu Dec 21 15:46:11 2017
From: vlfiscus at mcn.net (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:46:11 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
 astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20171221084514.00c4d588@pop.earthlink.net>

At 08:35 AM 12/21/2017 -0600, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS 
>astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>
>Regards,
>Douglas KA2UPW/5


Yes, and also a number of space shuttles, and Russian Mir.
KB7ADL


From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 21 16:21:50 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:21:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting
	ISS	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
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Ken Ransom might recall more details, but it was tried with AO-51 and I
think the astronaut was Doug Wheelock. If I recall correctly he heard the
satellite, and was heard through the satellite, but no QSOs were completed.
The Doppler is "interesting" as you can imagine. AO-91 would be a good
candidate for a repeat attempt.

73, Drew KO4MA

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Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
astronaut?

Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut
through an amateur radio satellite transponder?

Regards,
Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net  Thu Dec 21 16:24:28 2017
From: amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:24:28 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
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Douglas,

No, this hasn't happened - but not from a lack of trying.

In 2006, at the very end of Bill McArthur's ISS tour, there was an
effort to see if Bill could make a QSO via AO-51. Bill had already
completed WAS, WAC, and DXCC working hams around the world, and
this was considered the last big thing he could do from the ISS
radio. Time was tight, and probably the biggest reason why this
didn't work. Instructions were sent up to the ISS, and stations
were recruited on the ground in locations compatible with both
available AO-51 passes and Bill's available time. Bill was heard
through AO-51, but no QSOs were made.

I am not aware if there have been other attempts since 2006 for an
ISS crewmember to work an amateur satellite from the ISS. Maybe
if Doug Wheelock can get another ISS tour, this could be tried again.

IIRC crewmembers that used the ISS cross-band repeater to work
stations on the ground are not using a different radio to work
through the ISS repeater. Since the cross-band repeater was a
function of the Kenwood dual-band mobile transceivers, the crews
would use the microphone and speaker on that radio to work
stations. Really no different than if the cross-band repeater
function on those radios is turned off, or if the crews used
the GE/Ericsson HTs to work stations.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK







On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
>
>

From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Dec 21 16:26:56 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:26:56 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
In-Reply-To: <16079dc3a23-1724-42afd@webjas-vab232.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <16079dc3a23-1724-42afd@webjas-vab232.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqey+CV=SyEX-=N+am1tLbmMjAe+NQidD8KzNB-2HfFWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the follow up, Ray. I did specify ?first since 1983? in my
original post as I knew it had been done prior to AO-10. It?s good to see
the list of those who completed it.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:17 rsoifer1--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Not quite, Paul.  At least eight Satellite DXCCs were earned without using
> HEO or Mode K.  They were made using AO-6, AO-7 and the RS birds, some of
> which were slightly higher than AO-6/7.
>
>
> In the order they were issued, here are the first seven: W2BXA, W2LV,
> W1NU, G3IOR, WA2CBB, G6RH and W2YY.  All are now SK except for CBB.
>
>
> The 8th one was mine, although I was slow to collect QSL cards and my
> certificate is No. 13.
>
>
> Congrats to John on being the next one!
>
>
> 73 Ray W2RS
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From dquagliana at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 16:52:55 2017
From: dquagliana at gmail.com (Douglas Quagliana)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:52:55 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxV+AYdn2kEj7CzdcG9cN81pQrtMcLNWBPu+NJ_KKPhWEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxV+AYdn2kEj7CzdcG9cN81pQrtMcLNWBPu+NJ_KKPhWEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALaYSmnJg7RLi_qPDgU=HjB2K+hv4kJxR-QnLBEC_tv4n63s2w@mail.gmail.com>

Friends,
    Having hosted an ARISS contact myself earlier this year, I am well
aware of direct contacts
between the astronauts and someone on the ground.

    The relevant part of the question was the part about the QSO being
*THROUGH an
AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE TRANSPONDER*.

    If you are aware of a success (or a failed attempt) I would be
interested in knowing
which astronaut and which amateur radio satellite was used.

    Lastly, does anyone have a technical references for correcting
calculating the Doppler
for a QSO from ISS through a satellite to the ground?  (And no, you can't
just change
the tracking program's ground station latitude/longitude every second to
match the ISS
satellite subpoint.)

Thanks and 73,
Douglas KA2UPW/5

From vlfiscus at mcn.net  Thu Dec 21 16:47:38 2017
From: vlfiscus at mcn.net (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:47:38 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
 astronaut?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20171221094525.02593d68@pop.earthlink.net>

At 08:35 AM 12/21/2017 -0600, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS 
>astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>
>Regards,
>Douglas KA2UPW/5


I mis-read the question.
Sorry,



From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Thu Dec 21 16:45:31 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:45:31 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqey+CV=SyEX-=N+am1tLbmMjAe+NQidD8KzNB-2HfFWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16079f7302c-170f-1c2b@webjas-vae204.srv.aolmail.net>

Right.  The first seven were all issued prior to AO-10.  For the record, the first to actually work 100 DXCC entities via satellite was Pat, G3IOR.  He made heavy use of tropo scatter.  Ever the good sport, Pat  came over to the States and  presented Ben, W2BXA, with Certificate No. 1 at the AMSAT AGM.





73 Ray W2RS
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From DFox at rwglaw.com  Thu Dec 21 18:27:43 2017
From: DFox at rwglaw.com (D. Craig Fox)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:27:43 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] more serial-USB adapter wars
Message-ID: <e3a20c757cd846dfb18c349525bf84be@RWGEX1.RWG.com>

First, congrats John, K8YSE on a remarkable accomplishment. Well done. I always enjoy connecting with you via space.

I just finished a close to 2 week frustrating ordeal after my serial/usb adapter suddenly failed and SATPC stopped doing its magic. Im running a TS2K, SATPC and W7 pro on a Dell XPS with an I5 processor. Device manager showed a faulty Prolific driver.  Many driver downloads later of the Prolific chip driver and the same for the driver in another Chinese chipped adapter, still no joy. I even ran other versions of SATPC.  There has been much discussion in this forum about which are the best serial/usb adapters/chipsets. Some do well with prolific, others not so much. However, no one seems to have difficulty with the FTDI chipset. So I found a highly rated adapter with the FTDI chip on Amazon, loaded the drivers from the included disc, and.... no joy. I was ready to begin testing the serial port on my TS2K when I ran across a post on the TS2K yahoo group forum recommending use of the FTDI chip, but, most importantly, the writer recommended dumping the disc and downloading the most recent driver from www.ftdichip.com<http://www.ftdichip.com>. There it was. After re-booting everything, CAT kicked in and I was back in business.

I write this because I spent a ridiculous amount of time trying different adapters, downloading drivers, rebooting in different order, and so forth until getting the right combination of FTDI chip and current driver for W7 pro.

This issue has been discussed a lot here and on the TS2K yahoo group, but it bears repeating.  If you are having similar issues, perhaps you can benefit from my time spent chasing this down.

73s and happy holidays to my many sat friends!

Craig
N6RSX

Ps- I had the pleasure of being one of the contacts with NA1SS (Col. Doug Wheelock) in that NASA vid posted by KA2UPW/5

From ka3hsw at att.net  Thu Dec 21 18:38:03 2017
From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:38:03 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CALaYSmnJg7RLi_qPDgU=HjB2K+hv4kJxR-QnLBEC_tv4n63s2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com><CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com><CABX7KxV+AYdn2kEj7CzdcG9cN81pQrtMcLNWBPu+NJ_KKPhWEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALaYSmnJg7RLi_qPDgU=HjB2K+hv4kJxR-QnLBEC_tv4n63s2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADECFCC080D54C73BB14D24EAA4EE6C3@RadioRoomPC>

Hopefully someone from ARISS will chime in if I am wrong, but I believe that
the astronauts are only allowed to use frequencies that have been
pre-approved and ground-tested for safety with the ISS subsytems.  


Also, you would only have to correct for the doppler shift of the satellite
you are listening/transmitting to.  The ISS would have to correct for the
doppler on their end.

George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Douglas
Quagliana
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:53 AM
Cc: AMSAT -BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting
ISSastronaut?

Friends,
    Having hosted an ARISS contact myself earlier this year, I am well
aware of direct contacts
between the astronauts and someone on the ground.

    The relevant part of the question was the part about the QSO being
*THROUGH an
AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE TRANSPONDER*.

    If you are aware of a success (or a failed attempt) I would be
interested in knowing
which astronaut and which amateur radio satellite was used.

    Lastly, does anyone have a technical references for correcting
calculating the Doppler
for a QSO from ISS through a satellite to the ground?  (And no, you can't
just change
the tracking program's ground station latitude/longitude every second to
match the ISS
satellite subpoint.)

Thanks and 73,
Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 21 18:46:53 2017
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:46:53 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO73 / FUNcube-1 Happy Holiday Mode
Message-ID: <059cf3f5-aa0d-d1db-0c5d-387999c9dc6d@btinternet.com>

Hi All,

Just to report that AO73/FUNcube-1 is now operating in full time 
transponder mode and will continue in this mode until the evening of 
Wednesday? 3rd January 2018.

Please enjoy the transponder during this happy holiday period!

Season's greetings from the whole FUNcube team.

73

Graham

G3VZV

General Info:

AO-73 FUNcube-1
The transponder is normally operational only when the satellite is in 
eclipse, ie the solar panels are NOT being illuminated. During weekends 
(from pm Fridays UTC to PM Sundays UTC) the transponder is operational 24/7.
When the transponder is switched off, the telemetry beacon is on full 
power, when the transponder is on the beacon it is on low power.
The nominal transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.150 ? 435.130 MHz LSB (Inverting)
Downlink: 145.950 ? 145.970 MHz USB
Telemetry Tx: 145.935 MHz BPSK
(The passband may be up to 15kHz higher depending on on-board temps. 
Lower temperatures give higher freqs!)

FUNcube-2?(aka FUNcube on UKube)
The FUNcube-2 sub-system continues to operate autonomously and, almost 
continuously, in amateur mode. The transponder is operational and the 
telemetry downlink is functioning with about 70mW output. The FUNcube-1 
Dashboard does not correctly display the telemetry but it does correctly 
decode the data and uploads it to the FUNcube Data Warehouse from where 
it can be examined. Most of the real time data channels are operational 
and these include battery voltages, temperatures and ADCS data coming 
via the main On Board Computer (OBC).
The transponder is interrupted for a few seconds every 2 minutes when 
the other transmitter sends its CW beacon and, occasionally, for a few 
seconds when the main OBC reboots (approx seven times each orbit).
The nominal transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.080 ? 435.060 MHz LSB (Inverting)
Downlink: 145.930 ? 145.950 MHz USB
Telemetry Tx: 145.915 MHz BPSK
(The passband may be up to 10kHz higher depending on on-board temps. Low 
temperatures give higher freqs!)

EO79
Dec 2017 Update ? As a result of on-board operational issues this 
transponder is NOT currently active.
Due to power budget constraints the transponder cannot be operational 
24/7 and an orbit specific schedule has been developed. The transponder 
will commence operation 27 minutes after the spacecraft enters sunlight 
and will stay on for a period of 25 minutes. This schedule may be 
modified in future months as a result of experience.
The nominal transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.0723-435.0473 MHz LSB (Inverting)
Downlink: 145.946-145.971 MHz USB

EO88/Nayif-1/FUNcube-5
EO88 is presently operating in autonomous mode. The transponder is 
operational when the satellite is in eclipse, ie the solar panels are 
NOT being illuminated.
When the transponder is switched off, the telemetry beacon is on full 
power, when the transponder is on the beacon it is on low power.
The transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.045 ? 435.015 MHz LSB (inverting)
Downlink: 145.960-145.990 MHz USB
Telemetry Tx: 145.940MHz


From myles.landstein at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 18:48:16 2017
From: myles.landstein at gmail.com (myles Landstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:48:16 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
 astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKO32rYKNPhM29pVO7QBtG3EDhcsZDSeSXZ3QhvbmidzSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxV+AYdn2kEj7CzdcG9cN81pQrtMcLNWBPu+NJ_KKPhWEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALn0fKO32rYKNPhM29pVO7QBtG3EDhcsZDSeSXZ3QhvbmidzSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A363D3C-770C-46F9-B073-542381377080@gmail.com>

I?ve spoken to a ham/astronaut on the space shuttle and also ISS.  Was fun.  But was me(ground) direct to them.  




myles Landstein
myles.landstein at gmail.com



> On Dec 21, 2017, at 10:28 AM, John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oops. I did miss that. That would be cool too. Does them talking on their
> own crossband repeater count? I think they have done that. Certainly some
> of the Kenwood radios they have had allow for it.
> 
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
> 
> On Dec 21, 2017 10:23 AM, "Burns Fisher" <burns at fisher.cc> wrote:
> 
>> I think you all missed the point of Douglas' question which I think is "Do
>> the astronauts ever talk *ON AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITES*.  We know they talk
>> direct to the ground on occasion.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Burns W2BFJ
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
>>> 
>>> Dave-KB1PVH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Galaxy S7
>>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2017 9:36 AM, "Douglas Quagliana" <dquagliana at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS
>>>> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From brad.wf7t at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 18:38:36 2017
From: brad.wf7t at gmail.com (Brad Brooks)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:38:36 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
In-Reply-To: <16079f7302c-170f-1c2b@webjas-vae204.srv.aolmail.net>
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Remarkable feat Paul, congrats! 73 Brad WF7T

>

From ka7fvv at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 18:51:32 2017
From: ka7fvv at yahoo.com (Scott Harvey)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:51:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting
	ISS	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <ADECFCC080D54C73BB14D24EAA4EE6C3@RadioRoomPC>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcSZth6MmELd+tvMtO2yvndcB3bz_saEYV-bM+nPemHbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxV+AYdn2kEj7CzdcG9cN81pQrtMcLNWBPu+NJ_KKPhWEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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George,
ISS has specific amateur frequencies they have setup to operate on.? Voice channels below are from the ISS Fan Club page for voice comms.? Of course during SSTV events they are heard on 145.800 and APRS on 145.825.? The ISS repeater UHF uplink and 145.800 downlink was active on an alternate UHF uplink for a while a couple months ago mainly for experimentation with two satellite that were launched to relay their signals on the VHF downlink.? I a few stations made contacts through it when it was on, myself included.? It is always worth checking both 145.800 and 145.825 on a pass over your QTH.? I had a quick QSO with Mike Foale a few years ago by doing that and just happened to catch him on the voice channel.? On the VHF channels there is no need to adjust for Doppler.? It would be nice to see the astronauts on the voice channel more.? I know the last couple of years they have not been active during Field Day.
Amateur Radio Frequencies?(Note: Only one mode active at a time)?FM VOICE for ITU Region 1:?Europe-Middle East-Africa-North Asia   
   - Downlink 145.800
   - Uplink 145.200
FM VOICE for ITU Region 2&3:?North and South America-Caribbean-Greenland-Australia-South Asia   
   - Downlink 145.800
   - Uplink 144.490


73, Scott, KA7FVV
 President - KBARA ?
www.kbara.org 
 Co-Owner WA7DRE 443.525 System Fusion Repeater
http://www.ka7fvv.net 

    On Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:38:35 AM PST, George Henry <ka3hsw at att.net> wrote:  
 
 Hopefully someone from ARISS will chime in if I am wrong, but I believe that
the astronauts are only allowed to use frequencies that have been
pre-approved and ground-tested for safety with the ISS subsytems.? 


Also, you would only have to correct for the doppler shift of the satellite
you are listening/transmitting to.? The ISS would have to correct for the
doppler on their end.

George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Douglas
Quagliana
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:53 AM
Cc: AMSAT -BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting
ISSastronaut?

Friends,
? ? Having hosted an ARISS contact myself earlier this year, I am well
aware of direct contacts
between the astronauts and someone on the ground.

? ? The relevant part of the question was the part about the QSO being
*THROUGH an
AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE TRANSPONDER*.

? ? If you are aware of a success (or a failed attempt) I would be
interested in knowing
which astronaut and which amateur radio satellite was used.

? ? Lastly, does anyone have a technical references for correcting
calculating the Doppler
for a QSO from ISS through a satellite to the ground?? (And no, you can't
just change
the tracking program's ground station latitude/longitude every second to
match the ISS
satellite subpoint.)

Thanks and 73,
Douglas KA2UPW/5
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From info at gaussteam.com  Thu Dec 21 19:44:35 2017
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 20:44:35 +0100
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From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Thu Dec 21 20:27:26 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:27:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] GAUSS - Season's Greetings
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Happy Holidays to you too!

While you are here, are there any plans to open the digipeater on Unisat-6
up for amateur use, as you describe at
https://www.gaussteam.com/radio-amateur-information-for-unisat-6/ ? 

73, Drew KO4MA

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From martha at amsat.org  Thu Dec 21 21:31:24 2017
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:31:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Office Closed
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The AMSAT Office is closed from Friday, Dec 22 - Friday, Jan 5th.  Please
check the website (amsat.org) for information.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS and a VERY HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR.

-- 
73- Martha

From phil_lor at bigpond.com  Thu Dec 21 22:26:21 2017
From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:26:21 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
 astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
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On 22/12/17 00:35, Douglas Quagliana wrote:
> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?

Yes, twice.

-- 
Regards,
Phil VK4BVM

From brad.wf7t at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 19:34:29 2017
From: brad.wf7t at gmail.com (Brad Brooks)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:34:29 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
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	<035f0d06-5390-4889-b6e4-bfab5601c9c1@Spark>
Message-ID: <1875958b-e06b-42a6-952e-bcc1375a2977@Spark>

John, I meant. Sorry for flubbing. Still in admiration 73 Brad WF7T

On Dec 21, 2017, 12:38 PM -0600, Brad Brooks <brad.wf7t at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Remarkable feat Paul, congrats! 73 Brad WF7T
>
> >

From n4ufo at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 22:54:19 2017
From: n4ufo at yahoo.com (Kevin M)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Satellite DXCC
References: <1004444367.3212645.1513896859455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1004444367.3212645.1513896859455@mail.yahoo.com>

Right.  The first seven were all issued prior to AO-10.  For the record, the first to actually work 100 DXCC entities via satellite was Pat, G3IOR.  He made heavy use of tropo scatter.  Ever the good sport, Pat  came over to the States and  presented Ben, W2BXA, with Certificate No. 1 at the AMSAT AGM.


73 Ray W2RS
Hey Ray... long time. I was AC5DK back on RS-12/13... I know we worked because as I recall you were on about every pass. X^D Anyway, I don't know if it was submitted for an official DXCC, but I seem to remember a CQ article about a DXer that worked 100 countries on RS-12/13 ALONE. Could be one of the guys that already had Sat DXCC and couldn't submit a second time. Just wondering if you remember that...? Impressive use of the propagation skip tactic to work birds that were below local horizon.


Quite an accomplishment by John!!! I'm not even sure I could figure out enough countries to work in any footprint to even reach 100!? So good on him!

73, Kevin N4UFO

From wageners at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 02:16:17 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 20:16:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Office Closed
In-Reply-To: <CAPk0USz8ej=Wm3r6O337BqYr3cksia-oofwROQbNmrVu+DSz2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPk0USz8ej=Wm3r6O337BqYr3cksia-oofwROQbNmrVu+DSz2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHB3g-p7YiWL58g4YQi814Sz8wn+FDkY55o-5282tUOF9g@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas Martha and a great 2018 :-)

Stefan

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Martha <martha at amsat.org> wrote:

> The AMSAT Office is closed from Friday, Dec 22 - Friday, Jan 5th.  Please
> check the website (amsat.org) for information.
>
> HAPPY HOLIDAYS and a VERY HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR.
>
> --
> 73- Martha
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From wageners at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 03:50:20 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:50:20 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Acknowledgment
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHBcq13hk+Dym5nvVcZmi6bz28g4g2RNMd4dzRk+6agGwg@mail.gmail.com>

I like to thank AMSAT, the board and the huge number of volunteers for a
very successful, enjoyable, and enriching 2017. This organization has done
a tremendous job in keeping "satellites in space". It allows us in enjoying
a tremendous hobby and connecting with each other via satellites. Without
leadership, satellites, and volunteers (and yes $$) this would not be
possible. Thank you all!

Have a Merry Christmas, a great holiday season and a successful 2018 to all
of you!

73, Stefan, VE4NSA

From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Fri Dec 22 16:20:30 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 11:20:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
Message-ID: <1607f06a095-192a-16c2@webjas-vac165.srv.aolmail.net>

Hi Kevin,


Yes, I was going hot and heavy back then, along with fellow members of NJDXA, all of us trying to work Satellite DXCC.  Indeed, the whole idea of Satellite DXCC originated with Hayden Evans, K2BZT (SK), our club's man on the ARRL DXAC and in his professional life Director of Satellite Communications at Bell Labs.  Unfortunately, Hayden passed away before he could get his SDXCC.


If anyone actually worked DXCC on RS-12/13, it probably would have been Pat, G3IOR.  As you said, Pat already had Satellite DXCC and was notoriously lax about collecting QSL cards.  I know he was quite active on RS-12/13, but don't know for a fact how many he worked.


As regular readers of AMSAT-BB know, we're going to get another Mode K satellite (15 up, 10 down), courtesy of Bob Bruninga's team at USNA.  Maybe more DXCCs will be earned!


73 Ray W2RS





From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Fri Dec 22 16:31:36 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 11:31:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
In-Reply-To: <1004444367.3212645.1513896859455@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1004444367.3212645.1513896859455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1004444367.3212645.1513896859455@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <153101d37b42$56377790$02a666b0$@mindspring.com>

The op you are thinking of was N4ZC, one of my first satellite QSOs. See http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200202/msg00707.html

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin M via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:54 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC

Right.  The first seven were all issued prior to AO-10.  For the record, the first to actually work 100 DXCC entities via satellite was Pat, G3IOR.  He made heavy use of tropo scatter.  Ever the good sport, Pat  came over to the States and  presented Ben, W2BXA, with Certificate No. 1 at the AMSAT AGM.


73 Ray W2RS
Hey Ray... long time. I was AC5DK back on RS-12/13... I know we worked because as I recall you were on about every pass. X^D Anyway, I don't know if it was submitted for an official DXCC, but I seem to remember a CQ article about a DXer that worked 100 countries on RS-12/13 ALONE. Could be one of the guys that already had Sat DXCC and couldn't submit a second time. Just wondering if you remember that...  Impressive use of the propagation skip tactic to work birds that were below local horizon.


Quite an accomplishment by John!!! I'm not even sure I could figure out enough countries to work in any footprint to even reach 100!  So good on him!

73, Kevin N4UFO
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From ingejack at cox.net  Fri Dec 22 17:36:24 2017
From: ingejack at cox.net (alex weimer)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 10:36:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] WH6XM Hawaii
Message-ID: <1866807233.22938.1513964184508@myemail.cox.net>

Bob, WH6XM in grid BK29 Hilo HI was on FO29 at 1729 Z .. Great signal although I only had a 7 degree max pass. Bob is looking for Stateside contacts and is usually on FO29    JACK  KC7MG  DM42 AZ.

From k8bl at ameritech.net  Fri Dec 22 17:46:34 2017
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (R.T.Liddy)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
In-Reply-To: <153101d37b42$56377790$02a666b0$@mindspring.com>
References: <1004444367.3212645.1513896859455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1004444367.3212645.1513896859455@mail.yahoo.com>
	<153101d37b42$56377790$02a666b0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <950202285.3331131.1513964794813@mail.yahoo.com>

Drew,
Thanks for sharing. I really miss those RS Birds! They were GREAT!!
73, ? ?Bob ?K8BL

      From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com>
 To: 'Kevin M' <n4ufo at yahoo.com> 
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
   
The op you are thinking of was N4ZC, one of my first satellite QSOs. See http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200202/msg00707.html

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:54 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC

Right.? The first seven were all issued prior to AO-10.? For the record, the first to actually work 100 DXCC entities via satellite was Pat, G3IOR.? He made heavy use of tropo scatter.? Ever the good sport, Pat? came over to the States and? presented Ben, W2BXA, with Certificate No. 1 at the AMSAT AGM.


73 Ray W2RS
Hey Ray... long time. I was AC5DK back on RS-12/13... I know we worked because as I recall you were on about every pass. X^D Anyway, I don't know if it was submitted for an official DXCC, but I seem to remember a CQ article about a DXer that worked 100 countries on RS-12/13 ALONE. Could be one of the guys that already had Sat DXCC and couldn't submit a second time. Just wondering if you remember that...? Impressive use of the propagation skip tactic to work birds that were below local horizon.


Quite an accomplishment by John!!! I'm not even sure I could figure out enough countries to work in any footprint to even reach 100!? So good on him!

73, Kevin N4UFO
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From n4ufo at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 22 17:41:29 2017
From: n4ufo at yahoo.com (Kevin M)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:41:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb]   Satellite DXCC
In-Reply-To: <153101d37b42$56377790$02a666b0$@mindspring.com>
References: <1004444367.3212645.1513896859455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1004444367.3212645.1513896859455@mail.yahoo.com>
	<153101d37b42$56377790$02a666b0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1198689882.3639753.1513964489946@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Drew,? That actually should have been an off list e-mail (oops!) but I appreciate the response all the same. I didn't realize it was N4ZC... he is now a silent key (this past August), but he lived just to the south of me in a suburb of Charlotte. Never met him in person and never worked him on air, but used to listen to him work EU DX... and very good op, nice person. And I was so impressed with that accomplishment! I think I managed one decent OTH QSO on RS-12/13 to the Czech Republic... and in actuality the other station was doing the OTH part.? Anyway, RIP Roger N4ZC.

73, thanks for the info!? Kevin N4UFO



The op you are thinking of was N4ZC, one of my first satellite QSOs. See http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200202/msg00707.html

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin M via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:54 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC

Right.? The first seven were all issued prior to AO-10.? For the record, the first to actually work 100 DXCC entities via satellite was Pat, G3IOR.? He made heavy use of tropo scatter.? Ever the good sport, Pat? came over to the States and? presented Ben, W2BXA, with Certificate No. 1 at the AMSAT AGM.


73 Ray W2RS
Hey Ray... long time. I was AC5DK back on RS-12/13... I know we worked because as I recall you were on about every pass. X^D Anyway, I don't know if it was submitted for an official DXCC, but I seem to remember a CQ article about a DXer that worked 100 countries on RS-12/13 ALONE. Could be one of the guys that already had Sat DXCC and couldn't submit a second time. Just wondering if you remember that...? Impressive use of the propagation skip tactic to work birds that were below local horizon.


Quite an accomplishment by John!!! I'm not even sure I could figure out enough countries to work in any footprint to even reach 100!? So good on him!

73, Kevin N4UFO
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From john at papays.com  Fri Dec 22 18:38:59 2017
From: john at papays.com (John Papay)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 13:38:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
Message-ID: <20171222183907.5B6549210@lansing182.amsat.org>

Thank you for all of the posts and emails regarding DXCC on
the LEO's.  But the credit really goes to all of the ops at
the other end who were a part of those contacts.

It's not always easy to work the low passes on AO-7, especially
when that satellite is not having a good day.  Thanks to those
who listened in the noise and met for skeds day after day until
a contact was finally made.  And thanks to those that traveled to
other countries with their satellite equipment to activate a new
one. Many of these were family vacations and sacrifices were made
to accommodate sat activities.  Some operations were from areas that
were not always safe; places where you did not venture out after
dark, for example.  There is always a risk when traveling.

There are stories about many of the contacts, too many to detail.
But the RI1F dxpedition to Viktoria Island in Franz Josef Land,
Country Number 99, deserves mentioning.  The team that traveled
there in a small sailing vessel, spending days at sea, literally
risked their lives to put that IOTA on the air.  And the fact that
they bothered to take EME/Satellite equipment with them, managing
to work the birds from a most inhospitable island infested with
polar bears and Walrus that viewed them as dinner is just amazing.
In those situations you are on your own.  Dialing 911 won't bring
help.  These are very brave operators!

Thank you to everyone who helped make this DXCC possible.
73,
John K8YSE







John Papay
john at papays.com


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From wa2ndv at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 19:53:47 2017
From: wa2ndv at gmail.com (Frank G)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 14:53:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] UKube-1
Message-ID: <5a3d62cb.062b370a.5cba8.099b@mx.google.com>


HI all,

Anyone know what happened to the linear transponder on UKube-1 ?

Only the beacon has been on lately.

Thanks
Frank
WA2NDV




From ingejack at cox.net  Fri Dec 22 21:48:44 2017
From: ingejack at cox.net (alex weimer)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 14:48:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ukube-1 tRANSPONDER
Message-ID: <623973477.29741.1513979324235@myemail.cox.net>

Ukube-1 transponder is working  fine ! I just worked Glenn AA5PK at 2127 Z on Ukube-1 When the beacon transmits it takes over the transponder and you have to wait until the beacon stops to receive the downlink signal again !!  JACK  KC7MG

From kc7mg at cox.net  Fri Dec 22 22:04:40 2017
From: kc7mg at cox.net (jack weimer)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:04:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ukube-1 transponder
Message-ID: <1540061210.35613.1513980280644@myemail.cox.net>

Ukube-1 transponder is working. I just had a contact with AA5PK Glenn in DM91 grid at 2127 Z  when the beacon comes on it distorts the transponder downlink so you have to wait until the beacon quicks in order to hear the transponder downlink  JACK  KC7MG

From ea4cyq at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 22:42:51 2017
From: ea4cyq at gmail.com (Juan Antonio)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 23:42:51 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
Message-ID: <007b01d37b76$33b00f50$9b102df0$@gmail.com>

A great effort is followed of a recognition, I am sure it is well-deserved.

Thanks John for show us the right way.

Enjoy it!!

73, Juan Antonio
EA4CYQ


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From AJ9N at aol.com  Sat Dec 23 01:02:40 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:02:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-22 20:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <111247.74c43121.476f052f@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-22  20:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Taipei Municipal Ximen Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C., direct 
via BN?SM 
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be  OR4ISS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP 
Contact was  successful: Thu 2017-12-21 08:49:07 UTC 72 deg (***)

Exp. 52 back  on earth!  Congratulations to the crew for a job well done! 
(***)
Randy  Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey Ryazanskiy

Exp. 54 on  orbit  Welcome aboard!. (***)
Scott Tingle KG5NZA
Norishige  Kanai
Alexander  Skvortsov

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 127  (***) 
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-22 20:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1200. (***)
Each school counts  as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1149. (***)  
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total  number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by  year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-22 20:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  52 back on earth!  Congratulations to the crew for a job well done!  
(***)
Randy Bresnik
Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA
Sergey  Ryazanskiy

Exp. 53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander  Misurkin
Joe Acaba KE5DAR

Exp. 54 on orbit  Welcome  aboard!. (***)
Scott Tingle KG5NZA
Norishige Kanai
Alexander  Skvortsov

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From g.shirville at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 23 12:48:11 2017
From: g.shirville at btinternet.com (Graham Shirville)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 12:48:11 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ukube-1 transponder
In-Reply-To: <1540061210.35613.1513980280644@myemail.cox.net>
References: <1540061210.35613.1513980280644@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <4c26f164-cdfa-f000-fc9d-c3fa81c34a1a@btinternet.com>

Hi Jack and others,

Many thanks for the confirmation that the FUNcube transponder on UKube-1 
is still performing "as advertised"!

There are presently three FUNcube transponders operating for your 
pleasure over the festivities as detailed below:)

The latest telemetry from AO73/FUNcube-1 and FUNcube-2 on UKube can 
always be seen here http://warehouse.funcube.org.uk/ and from 
EO88/Nayif-1 here http://data.amsat-uk.org/nayif1/index

73 Graham G3VZV


AO-73 FUNcube-1
The transponder is normally operational only when the satellite is in 
eclipse, ie the solar panels are NOT being illuminated. During weekends 
(from pm Fridays UTC to PM Sundays UTC), AND OVER THE CHRISTMAS 
HOLIDAYS, the transponder is operational 24/7.
When the transponder is switched off, the telemetry beacon is on full 
power, when the transponder is on the beacon it is on low power.
The nominal transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.150 ? 435.130 MHz LSB (Inverting)
Downlink: 145.950 ? 145.970 MHz USB
Telemetry Tx: 145.935 MHz BPSK
(The passband may be up to 15kHz higher depending on on-board temps. 
Lower temperatures give higher freqs!)

FUNcube-2?(aka FUNcube on UKube)
The FUNcube-2 sub-system continues to operate autonomously and, almost 
continuously, in amateur mode. The transponder is operational and the 
telemetry downlink is functioning with about 70mW output. The FUNcube-1 
Dashboard does not correctly display the telemetry but it does correctly 
decode the data and uploads it to the FUNcube Data Warehouse from where 
it can be examined. The FUNcube standard real time data channels are 
operational in addition to the battery voltages, temperatures and ADCS 
data coming via the main On Board Computer (OBC).
The transponder is interrupted for a few seconds every 2 minutes when 
the other transmitter sends its CW beacon and, occasionally, for a few 
seconds when the main OBC reboots (approx seven times each orbit).
The nominal transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.080 ? 435.060 MHz LSB (Inverting)
Downlink: 145.930 ? 145.950 MHz USB
Telemetry Tx: 145.915 MHz BPSK
(The passband may be up to 10kHz higher depending on on-board temps. Low 
temperatures give higher freqs!)


EO88/Nayif-1/FUNcube-5
EO88 is presently operating in autonomous mode. The transponder is 
operational when the satellite is in eclipse, ie the solar panels are 
NOT being illuminated.
When the transponder is switched off, the telemetry beacon is on full 
power, when the transponder is on the beacon it is on low power.
The transponder frequencies are:
Uplink: 435.045 ? 435.015 MHz LSB (inverting)
Downlink: 145.960-145.990 MHz USB
Telemetry Tx: 145.940MHz


On 22/12/2017 22:04, jack weimer wrote:
> Ukube-1 transponder is working. I just had a contact with AA5PK Glenn in DM91 grid at 2127 Z  when the beacon comes on it distorts the transponder downlink so you have to wait until the beacon quicks in order to hear the transponder downlink  JACK  KC7MG
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From kandelj at bellsouth.net  Sat Dec 23 14:20:01 2017
From: kandelj at bellsouth.net (JOEL KANDEL)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 09:20:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor
Message-ID: <2E67EE9B-0306-466D-97F1-7257E1302C8A@bellsouth.net>

Fellow AMSAT members,
I?m about to install a never before used G-5500 rotor, and was wondering if there is
any preventive maintenance I should do to it before I put it out in Florida weather (e.g., siliconing seams, greasing gears, etc). Would appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks,
Joel, KI4T
Kandelj at bellsouth.net

Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second




From k.swaggart at charter.net  Sat Dec 23 15:22:59 2017
From: k.swaggart at charter.net (Ken Swaggart)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 07:22:59 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor
In-Reply-To: <2E67EE9B-0306-466D-97F1-7257E1302C8A@bellsouth.net>
References: <2E67EE9B-0306-466D-97F1-7257E1302C8A@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <000a01d37c01$eb6199d0$c224cd70$@charter.net>

I've been using boat trailer bearing grease and would suggest that before installing.

73,
Ken, W7KKE

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of JOEL KANDEL
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 06:20
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor

Fellow AMSAT members,
I?m about to install a never before used G-5500 rotor, and was wondering if there is any preventive maintenance I should do to it before I put it out in Florida weather (e.g., siliconing seams, greasing gears, etc). Would appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks,
Joel, KI4T
Kandelj at bellsouth.net

Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second



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From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Sat Dec 23 16:33:34 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:33:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite DXCC
Message-ID: <1608438f5a2-1723-bc20@webjas-vae169.srv.aolmail.net>

I agree with everything John, K8YSE, said, except that he's being too modest about what he has accomplished.  AFAIK, John is one of only three living people to have made LEO DXCC, and one of only nine to have made it at all.


One thing I would add to John's comment about AO-7: the importance of using Mode A.  To get the best use of this mode, a good beam antenna that covers the high end of 10 meters is highly desirable.  It helps, too, if the beam is on a fairly high tower.  When I was chasing DXCC on Mode A, my 3-element 10-meter monobander was mounted at about 30 feet, and Ben, W2BXA, had his beam on a 70-foot tower.  He could consistently hear and work stations as much as 200 miles farther away than I could.  A short session with a great-circle map will illustrate the importance of this increased range.


Why is Mode A so helpful?  If your receiving system is good enough, Mode A produces ionospheric scatter that enables stations as much as 100-200 miles below the horizon to be heard, especially on CW where the weak, fluttery signals can still be copied.


Mode A seems to have become something of a lost art these days, but not for long.  The US Naval Academy's HFSAT, with its 15-meter to 10-meter transponder, is coming!


73 Ray W2RS









From mccardelm at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 02:04:19 2017
From: mccardelm at gmail.com (E.Mike McCardel)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 21:04:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-358 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CAM5+sotiy5OP8ekRLbnS-u9CBbk=EbFnPGh=yBTLF54Vc_hLnw@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-358

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

In this edition:

* AO73 / FUNcube-1 Happy Holiday Mode
* Satellite Activity Planned From Solomon Islands
* AMSAT CW Activity Day 2018 In Memory Of G3IOR
* Another Radio Amateur Joins ISS Crew, Three Hams Now On Board
* AMSAT Officed Closed For Holiday
* 13 US Schools/Groups Move Into Phase 2 of ARISS Selections
* Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE
* Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch
* Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA
* ARISS News
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-358.01
ANS-358 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 358.01
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
December 24, 2017
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-358.01



AO73 / FUNcube-1 Happy Holiday Mode

AO73/FUNcube-1 is now operating in full time transponder mode and
will continue in this mode until the evening of Wednesday  3rd
January 2018.

Please enjoy the transponder during this happy holiday period!

Season's greetings from the whole FUNcube team.

[ANS thanks Graham, G3VZV for the above information]


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Satellite Activity Planned From Solomon Islands

H44, SOLOMON ISLANDS. Shane, VK4KHZ, will once again be active as
H44DA from his holiday home in Busuone, Guadalcanal Island (OC-047),
until sometime early January 2018. His main focus is on 6 meters, but
he will also be active on various HF bands (80/40/20/15/10m) using
SSB and also on the SO-50 satellite. Suggested 6m frequencies are:
calling on 50.110 MHz, Shane will always QSY to 50.125 as his primary
frequency and 50.135 as his secondary frequency (secondary frequency
will only be used if primary is in use or too much QRM). QSL via his
home callsign direct. NO Bureau. PLEASE NOTE: This is not a
DXpedition, but Shane's annual holiday - he will be operating the
radio only as time permits and when doing so, training the locals in
the operation of the equipment so please be patient and courteous.

[ANS thanks Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 1344 for the above information]


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AMSAT CW Activity Day 2018 In Memory Of G3IOR

You are cordially invited to participate in AMSAT's second annual CW
Activity Day.  It will be held from 0001 to 2400 UTC on January 1,
2018. This year's event is dedicated to the memory of Pat Gowen,
G3IOR.

The rules are very simple: there aren't any.  Just operate CW
through any amateur radio satellite.  Straight keys and "bugs" are
encouraged, but not required.  The important thing is to get on the
air and have fun.

[ANS thanks Ray W2RS for the above information]


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Another Radio Amateur Joins ISS Crew, Three Hams Now On Board

The International Space Station crew is back to its nominal
complement of six members, after Scott Tingle, KG5NZA, Anton
Shkaplerov, and Norishige Kanai arrived on board early this week.

Cosmonaut Alexander Misurkin is the new Expedition 54 commander. The
other crew members are Mark Vande Hei, KG5GNP, and Joe Acaba, KE5DAR.

On December 17, Tingle, Shkaplerov, and Kanai headed into space on
board a Soyuz MS-07 vehicle from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.


[ANS thanks ARRL for the above information]


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AMSAT Officed Closed For Holiday

The AMSAT Office is closed from Friday, Dec 22 - Friday, Jan 5th.
Please check the website (amsat.org) for information.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS and a VERY HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR.

[ANS thanks Martha for the above information


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13 US Schools/Groups Move Into Phase 2 of ARISS Selections

The ARISS-US Team (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station)
is pleased to announce that 13 of the 25 schools or organizations
submitting proposals have been selected to advance to the next stage
of planning to host amateur radio contacts in July to December 2018.
The contacts will be with International Space Station (ISS) crew
members using the ARISS equipment on the ISS.  A review team of
educators from the new ARISS-US Education Committee selected
proposals after the recent proposal window closed. The groups will go
forward into Phase 2, the submitting of an amateur radio equipment
plan to host a scheduled ARISS contact.

ARISS's primary goal is to engage young people in science,
technology, engineering, and math (STEM) activities, and involve them
in activities related to space exploration, amateur radio,
communications, and areas of associated study and career
possibilities.

ARISS anticipates that NASA will be able to provide scheduling
opportunities for these US host organizations during the second half
of 2018.  These candidates must now complete an equipment plan that
demonstrates their ability to execute the ham radio contact. Once
their equipment plan is approved by the ARISS technical team, the
final selected schools / organizations will be scheduled as their
availability and flexibility match up with the scheduling
opportunities.

The schools and organizations are:
Allen Park Elementary School, Lee County School District Ft. Myers FL
Ashford School Ashford CT
Bishop O'Connell High School Arlington VA
Delcastle Technical High School Wilmington DE
Hudson Memorial School Hudson NH
Kopernik Observatory & Science Center Vestal NY
Mendez Fundamental Intermediate School Santa Ana CA
Pathfinder Regional Vocational Technical High School Palmer MA
Pearl Technology STEM Academy Peoria Heights IL
Pell Elementary School Newport RI
St. Catherine of Bologna School Ringwood NJ
Tallmadge Community Learning Center Lancaster OH
Valley High School Albuquerque NM

ABOUT ARISS

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a
cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the
space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In
the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the
Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of
ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering,
and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via
amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in
classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of
experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with
large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during
these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities
learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more
information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

Find more information at www.ariss.org, and also www.amsat.organd
www.arrl.org.

[ANS thanks David AA4KN for the above information]


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Satellite DXCC Awarded to K8YSE

Congratulations to John Papay, K8YSE, who has been awarded satellite
DXCC with 101 entities verified. The satellite DXCC standings are
available at http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-standings

While there is no way to be certain, John's satellite DXCC is likely
the first to be obtained without the use of either HEO satellites or
sub-horizon Mode K propagation since prior to the launch of AO-10 in
1983. Starting on satellites in 2006, John did not even enjoy the
advantage of FO-20's higher LEO apogee or RS-15's high LEO orbit in
his quest to work and confirm 100 DXCCs via satellite.This is
certainly a noteworthy achievement!

[ANS thanks Paul N8HM for the above information]


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Special Membership Offer Continues for RadFxSat/AO-91 Launch

AO-91 is open to all and works great! Now is a good time to join
AMSAT and receive a free digital copy of "Getting Started with
Amateur Satellites"!

Visit https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-membership/
and help AMSAT Keep Amateur Radio in Space.

AMSAT is making our "Getting Started With Amateur Satellites"
book available for a limited time as a download with any paid new
or renewal membership purchased via the AMSAT Store. This offer is
only available with purchases completed online, and for only a limited
time. A perennial favorite, Getting Started is updated every year
with the latest amateur satellite information, and is the premier
primer of satellite operation. The 182 page book is presented in PDF
format, in full color, and covers all aspects of making your first
contacts on a ham radio satellite.

Please take advantage of this offer today by visiting the AMSAT store
at https://www.amsat.org/shop/ and selecting any membership option.
While there, check out our other items, including the M2 LEOpack
antenna system, Arrow antennas, AMSAT shirts, and other swag.

Thank you, and see you soon on AO-91!

[ANS thanks Paul N8HM for the above information]


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Donate to AMSAT Tax-Free From Your IRA

Are you over 70-1/2 years of age and need to meet your IRA's
Required Minimum Distribution for 2017? Consider making a donation to
AMSAT!

Under the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015,
individuals over 70-1/2 years of age may make direct transfers of up
to $100,000 per year from a traditional IRA to an eligible charity
without increasing their taxable income. Consult your tax advisor or
accountant to make certain you are eligible.

AMSAT is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit educational and scientific
organization whose purpose is to design, construct, launch, and
operate satellites in space and to provide the support needed to
encourage amateurs to utilize these resources. AMSAT's federal tax ID
is 52-0888529.

[ANS thanks the AMSAT Board of Directors for the above information]


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ARISS News

+ A Successful contact was made between Ashbury College, Ottawa,
  Ontario, Canada and Astronaut Joe Acaba KE5DAR using Callsign NA1SS.
  The contact began 2017-11-27 18:39 UTC  and lasted about nine and a
  half minutes. Contact was Telebridge via VK4KHZ.
  ARISS Mentor was Steve VE3TBD.

+ A Successful contact was made between Huntley Centennial Public
  School, Carp, ON, Canada and Astronaut Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA using
  Callsign IR0ISS. The contact began 2017-11-28 18:46 UTC  and lasted
  about nine and a half minutes. Contact was Telebridge via IK1SLD.
  ARISS Mentor was Steve VE3TBD.

+ A Successful contact was made between S.G.B. De La Salle, Rome,
  Italy and Astronaut Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA using Callsign NA1SS. The
  contact began 2017-11-30 08:04 UTC  and lasted about nine and a half
  minutes. Contact was Telebridge via W6SRJ.
  ARISS Mentor was Francesco  IK?WGF.

+ A Successful contact was made between Istituto Comprensivo Luigi
  Nono, Mira, Italy and Astronaut Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA using Callsign
  NA1SS. The contact began 2017-11-30 08:04 UTC  and lasted about nine
  and a half minutes. Contact was Telebridge via W6SRJ.
  ARISS Mentor was Gianpietro IZ2GOJ.

+ A Successful contact was made between Bishop Hendricken High
  School, Warwick, RI, USA and Astronaut Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA using
  Callsign IZ0ISS. The contact began 2017-11-30 17:02 UTC and
  lasted about nine and a half minutes. Contact was Telebridge via
  IK1SLD.
  ARISS Mentor was John  K4SQC.

+ A Successful contact was made between School of Telecommunications
  and Aerospace Engineering (EETAC), Castelldefels, Spain and
  Astronaut Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP using Callsign OR4ISS. The contact
  began 2017-12-04 15:10 UTC  and lasted about nine and a half
  minutes. Contact was Direct via EG3UPC.
  ARISS Mentors were Marcelo IK?USO primary/ Francesco  IK?WGF backup.

+ A Successful contact was made between Shirokawa Elementary School,
  Seiyo, Japan and Astronaut Paolo Nespoli IZ?JPA using Callsign
  NA1SS. The contact began 2017-12-11 11:06 UTC  and lasted about
  nine and a half minutes. Contact was Direct via 8J5SS.
  ARISS Mentor was Satoshi 7M3TJZ.

+ A Successful contact was made between Antietam Elementary School,
  Woodbridge, VA, USA and Astronaut Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP using
  Callsign NA1SS. The contact began 2017-12-11 18:30 UTC and lasted
  about nine and a half minutes. Contact was Direct via KM4TAY.
  ARISS Mentor was Dave AA4KN.

+ A Successful contact was made between Summa-Aldapeta, Donostia-San
  Sebasti?n, Spain and Astronaut Joe Acaba KE5DAR using Callsign
  OR4ISS. The contact began 2017-12-12 13:01 UTC and lasted about nine
  and a half minutes. Contact was Direct via EG2SMA.
  ARISS Mentors were Marcelo IK?USO primary/ Francesco IK?WGF backup.

+ A Successful contact was made between Taipei Municipal Ximen
  Elementary School, Taipei, Taiwan  R.O.C. and Astronaut Mark Vande
  Hei KG5GNP using Callsign OR4ISS. The contact began 2017-12-21
  08:49:07 UTC and lasted about nine and a half minutes. Contact was
  Direct via BN?SM.
  ARISS Mentor was Satoshi 7M3TJZ.

[ANS thanks ARISS, Charlie AJ9N and David AA4KN for the above
 information]


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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ Because of current high interest, here is the link for AMSAT's
  list of Station and Operating hints.
  https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/

+ FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and
  Experienced Operators

  Sean Kutzko, KX9X, has written a helpful document explaining good
  operating practices for working FM satellites. It's been posted to
  the AMSAT website at
  https://tinyurl.com/ANS358-FMSats

  A PDF version is also available at
  https://tinyurl.com/ANS358-FMSatsPDF


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/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
EMike McCardel, AA8EM
aa8em at amsat dot org

From Mvivona at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 24 14:38:11 2017
From: Mvivona at yahoo.com (Mvivona)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 09:38:11 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor
In-Reply-To: <2E67EE9B-0306-466D-97F1-7257E1302C8A@bellsouth.net>
References: <2E67EE9B-0306-466D-97F1-7257E1302C8A@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <7C7ECE8F-4F32-470A-999E-AEF36DD5F741@yahoo.com>

Joel,
I also live in Florida and know what the salt air does to metal. I replaced all the case bolts with stainless steel ones. Lowes or Homedepot has them. 
Note, being that stainless steel and aluminum are dissimilar metals you must use anti-seize compound on the bolts so they don't seize up in the aluminum case. You can find it at any auto parts store. It comes in a small squeeze tube and is called - Permitex aluminum anti-seize lubricant. 

Michael KC4ZVA
EL98

On Dec 23, 2017, at 9:20 AM, JOEL KANDEL <kandelj at bellsouth.net> wrote:

Fellow AMSAT members,
I?m about to install a never before used G-5500 rotor, and was wondering if there is
any preventive maintenance I should do to it before I put it out in Florida weather (e.g., siliconing seams, greasing gears, etc). Would appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks,
Joel, KI4T
Kandelj at bellsouth.net

Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second



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From vimone at alice.it  Sun Dec 24 18:12:19 2017
From: vimone at alice.it (vimone at alice.it)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:12:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TS-2000X @38k4 Baud
Message-ID: <25716546.224091514139139079.JavaMail.root@feu2-alice>

Hello,
I'm a bit stuck by the world of radiant because of renovation of the house.
In the meantime I took advantage of replacing my old Kenwood TS-790E with a new Kenwood TS-2000X.
I had in the old TS-790 the Symek IFD card for receiving satellites at 38k4 baud. I wanted to know if there are 
still satellites transmitting at that speed and if it is worth to insert the same schedule into the TS-2000X.
Thank you

73's de Enzo IK8OZV
EasyLog 5 BetaTester
EasyLog PDA BetaTester
WinBollet BetaTester
D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
Skype: ik8ozv8520




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From bilgreene at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 25 02:10:03 2017
From: bilgreene at shaw.ca (Bill Greene)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 18:10:03 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Seasons Greetings
Message-ID: <B688EF36-F7D7-401A-B478-144C929197F9@shaw.ca>

Just wanted to take a moment to wish my friends all over the world Merry Christmas and Best Wishes Holiday Season!

Best of 73,

Bill Greene
VE7WFG
Falkland BC 


From jerry.tuyls at telenet.be  Sun Dec 24 11:55:33 2017
From: jerry.tuyls at telenet.be (jerry.tuyls at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:55:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
Message-ID: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

Hello all 

Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4 polarisations on a 70cm crossed yagi? 
In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't find it anymore on my pc. 

Best 73's 

Jerry,ON4CJQ 

From zryder94 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 04:01:55 2017
From: zryder94 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:01:55 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <CAGD5MUH7vRPZ3PAWi0pifNP+Qij33MA3j98g+E_QzTNycqUL4Q@mail.gmail.com>

This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but might be a good
place to start.

http://www.sm5bsz.com/polarity/simplesw.htm


On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 5:55 AM, <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be> wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4 polarisations on
> a 70cm crossed yagi?
> In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't find
> it anymore on my pc.
>
> Best 73's
>
> Jerry,ON4CJQ
> _______________________________________________
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From jerry.tuyls at telenet.be  Mon Dec 25 08:04:44 2017
From: jerry.tuyls at telenet.be (jerry.tuyls at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:04:44 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <1432636381.42797028.1514189084555.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

Tnx all for the replies, the article has arrived.

73's

Jerry,ON4CJQ

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "jerry tuyls" <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be>
Aan: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Verzonden: Zondag 24 december 2017 12:55:33
Onderwerp: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch

Hello all 

Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4 polarisations on a 70cm crossed yagi? 
In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't find it anymore on my pc. 

Best 73's 

Jerry,ON4CJQ 
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From jamesduffey at comcast.net  Mon Dec 25 14:13:41 2017
From: jamesduffey at comcast.net (JamesDuffey)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 08:13:41 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <1432636381.42797028.1514189084555.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
	<1432636381.42797028.1514189084555.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <8A8CF879-5275-4FD8-B21A-5AC23F1CED44@comcast.net>

Can you share it with the rest of Us? - Duffey KK6MC


James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 02:04, jerry.tuyls at telenet.be wrote:
> 
> Tnx all for the replies, the article has arrived.
> 
> 73's
> 
> Jerry,ON4CJQ
> 
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "jerry tuyls" <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be>
> Aan: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Verzonden: Zondag 24 december 2017 12:55:33
> Onderwerp: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
> 
> Hello all 
> 
> Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4 polarisations on a 70cm crossed yagi? 
> In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't find it anymore on my pc. 
> 
> Best 73's 
> 
> Jerry,ON4CJQ 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 16:18:12 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:18:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] UNCUT AO-91 demo (impromptu Christmas Eve demo)
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNzKdTa2FpYZXCaWmLgitOsZMLQ35iyyFENr6P-AEoAdQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://youtu.be/w7Ukh_nT2Tg

This is an uncut and lightly edited video I made mostly so Blair (the ham
who saw and joined me at the 8 minute mark) could see it. I normally only
upload highly edited videos (24, 32 or more hours of editing). Even though
it doesn't meet my normal standards I figured others besides Blair might
still be interested.

2017-12-24 1753 UTC

03:05 Bird comes in strong
04:58 YV6CR FJ78 Contacted? he said WP3KG
07:42 KG3GDS FN00 CONTACTED
08:00 Blair arrives - demo begins
09:02 KE4AL EM761 CONTACTED
09:16 WO3T FN00 CONTACTED
09:29 K3RRR CONTACTED
10:22 ???MTS FN32 Contacted? What was prefix?
13:00 KC3GFZ FN00 CONTACTED
13:13 WN9Q EN64 CONTACTED

This is from the Christmas Eve AO-91 pass at 1753 UTC (2017-12-24). I was
just having a little fun for myself before I left Raleigh for Wilmington to
be with my parents for Christmas. About halfway through the pass, Blair,
another ham, saw me from his car in this shopping lot and came over, so I
did I did a little demo for him.

I was lucky because I recently made a cable for my Kenwood TM-V71 to pull
the audio off the DATA pin. This cable allowed me to get audio into my
recorder and play audio from the radio's speaker simultaneously. Normally I
plug a cable into the speaker out port but that disables the internal
speaker.

I made the cable originally so I could decode the Data Under Voice (DUV)
telemetry from AO-91 during commissioning, which helps the engineers
determine if the bird is okay. You need the unfiltered audio because the
data is all below 200 hz, which is normally filtered from speaker out.

Unfortunately, even using the supposedly unfiltered audio from the DATA pin
I still couldn't get the FoxTelem software to decode anything. But without
this cable if I wanted someone else to hear the audio I would have to hook
up a splitter in front of the recorder and run a second cable to an
external speaker. I couldn't have done that in time for Blair to hear, or
it would have been a lot of effort for not a lot of gain because the pass
might have been over before I got it all hooked up.

I also have another proper AO-91 video I'm making. It is from the second
daytime pass right after it was commissioned about a month ago (on the US
Thanksgiving holiday).

To those that celebrate it, Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays to everyone
else!

73, John Brier KG4AKV

P.S. I think my phone's tracking app was set for a location I was at the
previous day about 40 minutes from where I live, so it was off slightly as
far as timing and max elevation. The pass was actually about 72 degrees max
elevation, not 67 or whatever I told Blair, and when I thought the bird was
at 2 degrees during the last contact,  it was actually about 4 or 5 degrees
elevation.

From w7lrd at comcast.net  Mon Dec 25 17:24:48 2017
From: w7lrd at comcast.net (Bob- W7LRD)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:24:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <CAGD5MUH7vRPZ3PAWi0pifNP+Qij33MA3j98g+E_QzTNycqUL4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
	<CAGD5MUH7vRPZ3PAWi0pifNP+Qij33MA3j98g+E_QzTNycqUL4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <468792066.167370.1514222689248@connect.xfinity.com>

I think it was in the AMSAT Journal several years back..Do a archive search
73 Bob W7LRD
> On December 24, 2017 at 8:01 PM Mike Thompson <zryder94 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but might be a good
> place to start.
> 
> http://www.sm5bsz.com/polarity/simplesw.htm
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 5:55 AM, <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all
> >
> > Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4 polarisations on
> > a 70cm crossed yagi?
> > In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't find
> > it anymore on my pc.
> >
> > Best 73's
> >
> > Jerry,ON4CJQ
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From mstyne at k2mts.org  Mon Dec 25 17:01:49 2017
From: mstyne at k2mts.org (Michael Styne)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:01:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] UNCUT AO-91 demo (impromptu Christmas Eve
	demo)
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKNzKdTa2FpYZXCaWmLgitOsZMLQ35iyyFENr6P-AEoAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALn0fKNzKdTa2FpYZXCaWmLgitOsZMLQ35iyyFENr6P-AEoAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88D9B02D-F625-4CC6-B723-B210D586C485@k2mts.org>

It was me! Looks like I was stomped on a little. Should have said my call again. 

Thanks for posting this recording & happy holidays. 

Michael Styne K2MTS
mstyne at k2mts.org

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 11:18, John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 10:22 ???MTS FN32 Contacted? What was prefix?


From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 18:01:48 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:01:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <8A8CF879-5275-4FD8-B21A-5AC23F1CED44@comcast.net>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
	<1432636381.42797028.1514189084555.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
	<8A8CF879-5275-4FD8-B21A-5AC23F1CED44@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANOtx_ceafZSNRgeGZAagyi5FSN1GDtAppY_qU0rB3JOVBDnNg@mail.gmail.com>

I added parts 1 and 2 of Domenico's I8CVS article from the 2007 AMSAT
Journal archive to the files section of the AMSAT North America group on
Facebook. The files are too big to upload to amsat.org without
administrator intervention.


--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 8:13 AM, JamesDuffey <jamesduffey at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Can you share it with the rest of Us? - Duffey KK6MC
>
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
> > On Dec 25, 2017, at 02:04, jerry.tuyls at telenet.be wrote:
> >
> > Tnx all for the replies, the article has arrived.
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Jerry,ON4CJQ
> >
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "jerry tuyls" <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be>
> > Aan: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > Verzonden: Zondag 24 december 2017 12:55:33
> > Onderwerp: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
> >
> > Hello all
> >
> > Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4 polarisations
> on a 70cm crossed yagi?
> > In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't
> find it anymore on my pc.
> >
> > Best 73's
> >
> > Jerry,ON4CJQ
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 18:13:56 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:13:56 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <468792066.167370.1514222689248@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
	<CAGD5MUH7vRPZ3PAWi0pifNP+Qij33MA3j98g+E_QzTNycqUL4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<468792066.167370.1514222689248@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CANOtx_fLRWK+MW1d+yMWWtxvmhPr4OhvcYk7Wi=TZu0aiirrzg@mail.gmail.com>

Part 1 was in the March/April 2007 issue; Part 2 was in the May/June 2007
issue of the AMSAT Journal.


--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd at comcast.net> wrote:

> I think it was in the AMSAT Journal several years back..Do a archive search
> 73 Bob W7LRD
> > On December 24, 2017 at 8:01 PM Mike Thompson <zryder94 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but might be a good
> > place to start.
> >
> > http://www.sm5bsz.com/polarity/simplesw.htm
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 5:55 AM, <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all
> > >
> > > Does someone has the article from late I8CVS, switching 4
> polarisations on
> > > a 70cm crossed yagi?
> > > In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used to have it but can't
> find
> > > it anymore on my pc.
> > >
> > > Best 73's
> > >
> > > Jerry,ON4CJQ
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From py4zbz at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 25 20:31:04 2017
From: py4zbz at yahoo.com (Roland Zurmely)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 20:31:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
References: <1117961550.4299572.1514233864582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1117961550.4299572.1514233864582@mail.yahoo.com>

<http://www.qsl.net/py1ll/amtccy.pdf>

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 03:33:38 2017
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 22:33:38 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Video] UNCUT AO-91 demo (impromptu Christmas Eve
	demo)
In-Reply-To: <88D9B02D-F625-4CC6-B723-B210D586C485@k2mts.org>
References: <CALn0fKNzKdTa2FpYZXCaWmLgitOsZMLQ35iyyFENr6P-AEoAdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<88D9B02D-F625-4CC6-B723-B210D586C485@k2mts.org>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKOSGa-PzRM1X7qws-tYVNVvzBTOxLB5bzYmUztciczXHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Haha! I thought I might find you if I posted this. I would have asked for
your prefix on the pass but I figured it would be on the recording earlier
in the pass. Didn't search hard for you in it but I didn't hear you.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Dec 25, 2017 12:02 PM, "Michael Styne" <mstyne at k2mts.org> wrote:

> It was me! Looks like I was stomped on a little. Should have said my call
> again.
>
> Thanks for posting this recording & happy holidays.
>
> Michael Styne K2MTS
> mstyne at k2mts.org
>
> > On Dec 25, 2017, at 11:18, John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 10:22 ???MTS FN32 Contacted? What was prefix?
>
>

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 18:02:17 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 12:02:17 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
In-Reply-To: <468792066.167370.1514222689248@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <126558654.41081009.1514116533190.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
	<CAGD5MUH7vRPZ3PAWi0pifNP+Qij33MA3j98g+E_QzTNycqUL4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<468792066.167370.1514222689248@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <5a428eaa.d3196b0a.f9bd5.cc55@mx.google.com>

Domenico's article has been added to the AMSAT Station and Operating Hints
page: 

https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/

It is placed down on the page with the antenna articles. Look for "Domenico,
I8CVS (SK) published a two-part article in the AMSAT Journal about his
design for switching polarization on circularly polarized antennas. The PDF
files are available for download as Part1 (2MB) and Part2 (4MB)"

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org



From w5acm at swbell.net  Tue Dec 26 20:48:28 2017
From: w5acm at swbell.net (Andy)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 14:48:28 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting
	ISS	astronaut?
In-Reply-To: <CAN6TEUdV9TJPPfShgV5D3eTRgdb53UU1fzoJiXy1V=WKLd3_QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C274A145-E5F3-4EBA-BCEE-F3C020642EC8@gmail.com>
	<CAN6TEUdV9TJPPfShgV5D3eTRgdb53UU1fzoJiXy1V=WKLd3_QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801d37e8a$e2af1cf0$a80d56d0$@swbell.net>

During the SAREX days we coordinated a QSO between the Shuttle and MIR on 2
meters. It was a bit involved due to Doppler and choosing a window on the
Shuttle for the antenna, but it did work. Operating via a VHF/UHF FM Hamsat
would be more involved, but could certainly work with the external antenna
on ISS and a satellite like AO-91. Complete frequency calculations would be
needed for the ISS astronaut.

Andy W5ACM

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Patrick
STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:24 AM
To: Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana at gmail.com>; amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS
astronaut?

Douglas,

No, this hasn't happened - but not from a lack of trying.

In 2006, at the very end of Bill McArthur's ISS tour, there was an effort to
see if Bill could make a QSO via AO-51. Bill had already completed WAS, WAC,
and DXCC working hams around the world, and this was considered the last big
thing he could do from the ISS radio. Time was tight, and probably the
biggest reason why this didn't work. Instructions were sent up to the ISS,
and stations were recruited on the ground in locations compatible with both
available AO-51 passes and Bill's available time. Bill was heard through
AO-51, but no QSOs were made.

I am not aware if there have been other attempts since 2006 for an ISS
crewmember to work an amateur satellite from the ISS. Maybe if Doug Wheelock
can get another ISS tour, this could be tried again.

IIRC crewmembers that used the ISS cross-band repeater to work stations on
the ground are not using a different radio to work through the ISS repeater.
Since the cross-band repeater was a function of the Kenwood dual-band mobile
transceivers, the crews would use the microphone and speaker on that radio
to work stations. Really no different than if the cross-band repeater
function on those radios is turned off, or if the crews used the GE/Ericsson
HTs to work stations.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK







On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS 
> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
>
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
>
>
_______________________________________________
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From dxdx at optonline.net  Wed Dec 27 00:59:27 2017
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:59:27 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5
Message-ID: <646f8f25-cb3d-ce5c-0ab0-11080dc5ed04@optonline.net>

All:

Wisp is showing the following error when accessing Falconsat-3: 
"Directory request error NO -5 K2MO"

I searched the archives and it seems this error takes place if the 
parameter "Test for SMACK TNC"? is checked which is not the case here.

Any suggestions?

Tony -K2MO


From AJ9N at aol.com  Wed Dec 27 01:20:46 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:20:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-27 01:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <434957.4b78091f.47744f6e@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-27  01:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Higher National School of Computer Science and Systems  Analysis (ENSIAS), 
Rabat, Morocco, telebridge via VK5ZAI (***)
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***) 
The scheduled astronaut is  Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP (***)
Contact is a go for: Wed 2018-01-03 13:52:42 UTC  33 deg  (***)


****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  127
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-27 01:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1200.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1149.
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-27 01:00 UTC.  
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

Exp. 54 on orbit
Scott Tingle KG5NZA
Norishige  Kanai
Alexander  Skvortsov

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 03:56:08 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:56:08 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] 3 Element Yagi Design
Message-ID: <AA60EBD8612A4FCF9F4A70F89E25173C@OsbornesPC>

Hi Folks,

I have recently built up a 3 Element 2M yagi antenna from a some old TV antenna parts in my junk box.
It seems to work well on AO-91.
If anyone is interested, the details are here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4f4m07pzhy8lyvi/AAAv3yVEIK45ClC0RHCt3s3Ea?dl=0

Happy holidays and 73,

Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 

From dave at davet.me  Wed Dec 27 10:28:46 2017
From: dave at davet.me (Dave Tipton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:28:46 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] WIMO X-Quads
Message-ID: <002e01d37efd$7a74b190$6f5e14b0$@davet.me>

Good Morning folks,   After an extended hiatus, (Like 15 years) I'm back.
Looking at getting the shack set back up for the birds, and was wondering if
anyone here was using the WIMO X-Quad antennas.    They look pretty
impressive for their size, and I was thinking about putting a pair of them
on a split Yaesu 5500 over top of my TA-33 on the tower.

 

Just wondering what you guys thought of them.

 

Thanks,
Dave

 

Dave Tipton, W5DMT  (Formerly N8KXA)

 

(615) 689-0685

 <mailto:dave at w5dmt.com> dave at w5dmt.com

 


From py4zbz at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 27 13:04:44 2017
From: py4zbz at yahoo.com (Roland Zurmely)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 13:04:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Whole Orbit Data
References: <300971574.4941947.1514379884256.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <300971574.4941947.1514379884256@mail.yahoo.com>

WOD from 26 dec 2017
<http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/falconsat.htm#g>
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ

From vimone at alice.it  Wed Dec 27 13:27:47 2017
From: vimone at alice.it (Vincenzo Mone)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 14:27:47 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood TS-2000X RX @38k4 Baud
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALgqrd2N1rRAiaQvRd7pgRDCgAAAEAAAAEDUB6pYWRJFlsH96OQ5gl8BAAAAAA==@alice.it>

Hello,

I was a bit out of the world of radio due to the renovation of the house.

In the meantime I took advantage of replacing my old Kenwood TS-790E with a
new Kenwood TS-2000X.

In the old TS-790, I had the Symek IFD card for receiving 38k4 baud
satellites.

I wanted to know if there are still satellites that still transmit at that
speed and if it is worth inserting the TS-2000X card.

Thank you

 

73's de Enzo IK8OZV

EasyLog 5 BetaTester

EasyLog PDA BetaTester

WinBollet BetaTester

D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania

Skype: ik8ozv8520

 

 

 

 

      *************************************

      *******    GSM  +39 328 7110193     *******

      ******       SMS  +39 328 7110193       ******

      *************************************

 


From info at fg8oj.com  Wed Dec 27 13:56:08 2017
From: info at fg8oj.com (Burt FG8OJ)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 05:56:08 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] WIMO X-Quads
In-Reply-To: <002e01d37efd$7a74b190$6f5e14b0$@davet.me>
References: <002e01d37efd$7a74b190$6f5e14b0$@davet.me>
Message-ID: <CAPCTStFZ5C5JNkxiQ2Bjx2=9w7PYn3U9zNXQ+8xrxdKDN7QOhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dave,

Welcome back in game ! I am using this Wimo since august here in Guadeloupe.
This 2 antennas working great on LEO satellites !

73, Burt FG8OJ

Le 27 d?cembre 2017 ? 08:52:32, Dave Tipton (dave at davet.me) a ?crit:

Good Morning folks, After an extended hiatus, (Like 15 years) I'm back.
Looking at getting the shack set back up for the birds, and was wondering
if
anyone here was using the WIMO X-Quad antennas. They look pretty
impressive for their size, and I was thinking about putting a pair of them
on a split Yaesu 5500 over top of my TA-33 on the tower.



Just wondering what you guys thought of them.



Thanks,
Dave



Dave Tipton, W5DMT (Formerly N8KXA)



(615) 689-0685

<mailto:dave at w5dmt.com> dave at w5dmt.com



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From scott23192 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 14:32:57 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:32:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] WIMO X-Quads
In-Reply-To: <002e01d37efd$7a74b190$6f5e14b0$@davet.me>
References: <002e01d37efd$7a74b190$6f5e14b0$@davet.me>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZ=dOvFXT49K+hSGLC2q9EFQJfjfi3_aZ=+FSFtu22iGw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave!

I have both the 2m & 70cm X-Quads wired RHCP with the factory harness on a
fixed EL rotator and am extremely pleased with them.

My main interest is RX (cubesat telemetry, weather sats, etc.), so one
aspect of the X-Quads that I particularly like is that the area of gain is
quite wide.  You don't have to be pointing so precisely at an object to
benefit from these antennas.

I also have an SP-70 LNA on the 70cm antenna and that is a huge help as
well.

73!

-Scott,  K4KDR

==========================


On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 5:28 AM, Dave Tipton <dave at davet.me> wrote:

> Good Morning folks,   After an extended hiatus, (Like 15 years) I'm back.
> Looking at getting the shack set back up for the birds, and was wondering
> if
> anyone here was using the WIMO X-Quad antennas.    They look pretty
> impressive for their size, and I was thinking about putting a pair of them
> on a split Yaesu 5500 over top of my TA-33 on the tower.
>
> Just wondering what you guys thought of them.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> Dave Tipton, W5DMT  (Formerly N8KXA)
>
> (615) 689-0685
>
>  <mailto:dave at w5dmt.com> dave at w5dmt.com

From skristof at etczone.com  Wed Dec 27 17:54:28 2017
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:54:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
Message-ID: <062d9298d5347a907090e0ca60c982ee@etczone.com>

No APRS through ISS for 21 days. Anybody have any hints as to when it
will be back up and running? 

Steve AI9IN

From n7drb at totacc.com  Wed Dec 27 13:58:14 2017
From: n7drb at totacc.com (n7drb at totacc.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 06:58:14 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 12, Issue 350
Message-ID: <aa8b9ce6a7374b96ae0d6b3d90a3bda7.n7drb@totacc.com>

I'm writing to you to let you know Jim O'Leary N7DRB
passed away October 3rd 2017.

Please let everyone know that might have known Jim.

I will be monitoring his email address for the next
month or so until his sister has his account terminated.

Best Regards, Barry Thompson N6CID




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Today's Topics:

   1. [Video] UNCUT AO-91 demo (impromptu Christmas
Eve demo)
      (John Brier)
   2. Re: polarisation switch (Bob- W7LRD)
   3. Re: [Video] UNCUT AO-91 demo (impromptu
Christmas Eve	demo)
      (Michael Styne)
   4. Re: polarisation switch (JoAnne K9JKM)
   5. Re: polarisation switch (JoAnne K9JKM)
   6. polarisation switch (Roland Zurmely)
   7. Re: [Video] UNCUT AO-91 demo (impromptu
Christmas Eve	demo)
      (John Brier)
   8. Re: polarisation switch (JoAnne K9JKM)
   9. Re: Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an
orbiting	ISS
      astronaut? (Andy)
  10. Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5 (Tony)
  11. Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of
2017-12-27 01:00	UTC
      (AJ9N at aol.com)
  12. 3 Element Yagi Design (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
  13. WIMO X-Quads (Dave Tipton)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 11:18:12 -0500


https://youtu.be/w7Ukh_nT2Tg

This is an uncut and lightly edited video I made
mostly so Blair (the ham
who saw and joined me at the 8 minute mark) could see
it. I normally only
upload highly edited videos (24, 32 or more hours of
editing). Even though
it doesn't meet my normal standards I figured others
besides Blair might
still be interested.

2017-12-24 1753 UTC

03:05 Bird comes in strong
04:58 YV6CR FJ78 Contacted? he said WP3KG
07:42 KG3GDS FN00 CONTACTED
08:00 Blair arrives - demo begins
09:02 KE4AL EM761 CONTACTED
09:16 WO3T FN00 CONTACTED
09:29 K3RRR CONTACTED
10:22 ???MTS FN32 Contacted? What was prefix?
13:00 KC3GFZ FN00 CONTACTED
13:13 WN9Q EN64 CONTACTED

This is from the Christmas Eve AO-91 pass at 1753 UTC
(2017-12-24). I was
just having a little fun for myself before I left
Raleigh for Wilmington to
be with my parents for Christmas. About halfway
through the pass, Blair,
another ham, saw me from his car in this shopping lot
and came over, so I
did I did a little demo for him.

I was lucky because I recently made a cable for my
Kenwood TM-V71 to pull
the audio off the DATA pin. This cable allowed me to
get audio into my
recorder and play audio from the radio's speaker
simultaneously. Normally I
plug a cable into the speaker out port but that
disables the internal
speaker.

I made the cable originally so I could decode the
Data Under Voice (DUV)
telemetry from AO-91 during commissioning, which
helps the engineers
determine if the bird is okay. You need the
unfiltered audio because the
data is all below 200 hz, which is normally filtered
from speaker out.

Unfortunately, even using the supposedly unfiltered
audio from the DATA pin
I still couldn't get the FoxTelem software to decode
anything. But without
this cable if I wanted someone else to hear the audio
I would have to hook
up a splitter in front of the recorder and run a
second cable to an
external speaker. I couldn't have done that in time
for Blair to hear, or
it would have been a lot of effort for not a lot of
gain because the pass
might have been over before I got it all hooked up.

I also have another proper AO-91 video I'm making. It
is from the second
daytime pass right after it was commissioned about a
month ago (on the US
Thanksgiving holiday).

To those that celebrate it, Merry Christmas! Happy
Holidays to everyone
else!

73, John Brier KG4AKV

P.S. I think my phone's tracking app was set for a
location I was at the
previous day about 40 minutes from where I live, so
it was off slightly as
far as timing and max elevation. The pass was
actually about 72 degrees max
elevation, not 67 or whatever I told Blair, and when
I thought the bird was
at 2 degrees during the last contact,  it was
actually about 4 or 5 degrees
elevation.


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 09:24:48 -0800 (PST)


I think it was in the AMSAT Journal several years
back..Do a archive search
73 Bob W7LRD
> On December 24, 2017 at 8:01 PM Mike Thompson
<zryder94 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This might not be exactly what you are looking for,
but might be a good
> place to start.
> 
>  http://www.sm5bsz.com/polarity/simplesw.htm 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 5:55 AM,
<jerry.tuyls at telenet.be> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all
> >
> > Does someone has the article from late I8CVS,
switching 4 polarisations on
> > a 70cm crossed yagi?
> > In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used
to have it but can't find
> > it anymore on my pc.
> >
> > Best 73's
> >
> > Jerry,ON4CJQ
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:01:49 -0500


It was me! Looks like I was stomped on a little.
Should have said my call again. 

Thanks for posting this recording & happy holidays. 

Michael Styne K2MTS
mstyne at k2mts.org

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 11:18, John Brier
<johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 10:22 ???MTS FN32 Contacted? What was prefix?



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:01:48 -0600


I added parts 1 and 2 of Domenico's I8CVS article
from the 2007 AMSAT
Journal archive to the files section of the AMSAT
North America group on
Facebook. The files are too big to upload to
amsat.org without
administrator intervention.


--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 8:13 AM, JamesDuffey
<jamesduffey at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Can you share it with the rest of Us? - Duffey KK6MC
>
>
> James Duffey KK6MC
> Cedar Crest NM
>
> > On Dec 25, 2017, at 02:04, jerry.tuyls at telenet.be
wrote:
> >
> > Tnx all for the replies, the article has arrived.
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Jerry,ON4CJQ
> >
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "jerry tuyls" <jerry.tuyls at telenet.be>
> > Aan: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > Verzonden: Zondag 24 december 2017 12:55:33
> > Onderwerp: [amsat-bb] polarisation switch
> >
> > Hello all
> >
> > Does someone has the article from late I8CVS,
switching 4 polarisations
> on a 70cm crossed yagi?
> > In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used
to have it but can't
> find it anymore on my pc.
> >
> > Best 73's
> >
> > Jerry,ON4CJQ
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:13:56 -0600


Part 1 was in the March/April 2007 issue; Part 2 was
in the May/June 2007
issue of the AMSAT Journal.


--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Bob- W7LRD
<w7lrd at comcast.net> wrote:

> I think it was in the AMSAT Journal several years
back..Do a archive search
> 73 Bob W7LRD
> > On December 24, 2017 at 8:01 PM Mike Thompson
<zryder94 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This might not be exactly what you are looking
for, but might be a good
> > place to start.
> >
> >  http://www.sm5bsz.com/polarity/simplesw.htm 
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 5:55 AM,
<jerry.tuyls at telenet.be> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all
> > >
> > > Does someone has the article from late I8CVS,
switching 4
> polarisations on
> > > a 70cm crossed yagi?
> > > In pdf if possible for a friend of mine, i used
to have it but can't
> find
> > > it anymore on my pc.
> > >
> > > Best 73's
> > >
> > > Jerry,ON4CJQ
> > > _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 20:31:04 +0000 (UTC)


< http://www.qsl.net/py1ll/amtccy.pdf> 

------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 22:33:38 -0500


Haha! I thought I might find you if I posted this. I
would have asked for
your prefix on the pass but I figured it would be on
the recording earlier
in the pass. Didn't search hard for you in it but I
didn't hear you.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Dec 25, 2017 12:02 PM, "Michael Styne"
<mstyne at k2mts.org> wrote:

> It was me! Looks like I was stomped on a little.
Should have said my call
> again.
>
> Thanks for posting this recording & happy holidays.
>
> Michael Styne K2MTS
> mstyne at k2mts.org
>
> > On Dec 25, 2017, at 11:18, John Brier
<johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 10:22 ???MTS FN32 Contacted? What was prefix?
>
>


------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 12:02:17 -0600


Domenico's article has been added to the AMSAT
Station and Operating Hints
page: 

 https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/ 

It is placed down on the page with the antenna
articles. Look for "Domenico,
I8CVS (SK) published a two-part article in the AMSAT
Journal about his
design for switching polarization on circularly
polarized antennas. The PDF
files are available for download as Part1 (2MB) and
Part2 (4MB)"

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org




------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 14:48:28 -0600


During the SAREX days we coordinated a QSO between
the Shuttle and MIR on 2
meters. It was a bit involved due to Doppler and
choosing a window on the
Shuttle for the antenna, but it did work. Operating
via a VHF/UHF FM Hamsat
would be more involved, but could certainly work with
the external antenna
on ISS and a satellite like AO-91. Complete frequency
calculations would be
needed for the ISS astronaut.

Andy W5ACM

-----Original Message-----




STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)


astronaut?

Douglas,

No, this hasn't happened - but not from a lack of trying.

In 2006, at the very end of Bill McArthur's ISS tour,
there was an effort to
see if Bill could make a QSO via AO-51. Bill had
already completed WAS, WAC,
and DXCC working hams around the world, and this was
considered the last big
thing he could do from the ISS radio. Time was tight,
and probably the
biggest reason why this didn't work. Instructions
were sent up to the ISS,
and stations were recruited on the ground in
locations compatible with both
available AO-51 passes and Bill's available time.
Bill was heard through
AO-51, but no QSOs were made.

I am not aware if there have been other attempts
since 2006 for an ISS
crewmember to work an amateur satellite from the ISS.
Maybe if Doug Wheelock
can get another ISS tour, this could be tried again.

IIRC crewmembers that used the ISS cross-band
repeater to work stations on
the ground are not using a different radio to work
through the ISS repeater.
Since the cross-band repeater was a function of the
Kenwood dual-band mobile
transceivers, the crews would use the microphone and
speaker on that radio
to work stations. Really no different than if the
cross-band repeater
function on those radios is turned off, or if the
crews used the GE/Ericsson
HTs to work stations.

73!





Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
 http://www.wd9ewk.net/ 
Twitter: @WD9EWK or  http://twitter.com/WD9EWK 







On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Douglas Quagliana
<dquagliana at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with
an orbiting ISS 
> astronaut through an amateur radio satellite
transponder?
>
> Regards,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
>
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:59:27 -0500


All:

Wisp is showing the following error when accessing
Falconsat-3: 
"Directory request error NO -5 K2MO"

I searched the archives and it seems this error takes
place if the 
parameter "Test for SMACK TNC"? is checked which is
not the case here.

Any suggestions?

Tony -K2MO



------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:20:46 -0500


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-27 
01:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Higher National School of Computer Science and
Systems  Analysis (ENSIAS), 
Rabat, Morocco, telebridge via VK5ZAI (***)
The ISS  callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
(***) 
The scheduled astronaut is  Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP (***)
Contact is a go for: Wed 2018-01-03 13:52:42 UTC  33
deg  (***)


****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for
the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their
assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio
unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the
RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed
to  
 http://www.ariss.org/ 

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites
from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about
receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website
for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.
                      
      

 http://www.ariss-eu.org/     

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry
N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at 
kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have
now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  127
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for
accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added. 
If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended
that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10
minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International 
Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of
2017-12-27 01:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school
contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and
Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed
live.    

 http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 
 http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is
1200.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is
1149.
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the
same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts
is 47. 

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts
may be found in the  
file.
 http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed
statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had
an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American
Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
 http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html   

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of
2017-12-27 01:00 UTC.  
(***)

 http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband
repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
 http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction 
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of
2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
 http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf 

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

 https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415 
****************************************************************************
Exp.  53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

Exp. 54 on orbit
Scott Tingle KG5NZA
Norishige  Kanai
Alexander  Skvortsov

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors














------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:56:08 +1300


Hi Folks,

I have recently built up a 3 Element 2M yagi antenna
from a some old TV antenna parts in my junk box.
It seems to work well on AO-91.
If anyone is interested, the details are here:
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4f4m07pzhy8lyvi/AAAv3yVEIK45ClC0RHCt3s3Ea?dl=0 

Happy holidays and 73,

Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:28:46 -0600


Good Morning folks,   After an extended hiatus, (Like
15 years) I'm back.
Looking at getting the shack set back up for the
birds, and was wondering if
anyone here was using the WIMO X-Quad antennas.   
They look pretty
impressive for their size, and I was thinking about
putting a pair of them
on a split Yaesu 5500 over top of my TA-33 on the tower.

 

Just wondering what you guys thought of them.

 

Thanks,
Dave

 

Dave Tipton, W5DMT  (Formerly N8KXA)

 

(615) 689-0685

 < mailto:dave at w5dmt.com>  dave at w5dmt.com

 



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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:28:16 -0500
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From dxdx at optonline.net  Wed Dec 27 19:38:59 2017
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 14:38:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5
In-Reply-To: <020d01d37eae$6b549170$41fdb450$@net>
References: <646f8f25-cb3d-ce5c-0ab0-11080dc5ed04@optonline.net>
	<020d01d37eae$6b549170$41fdb450$@net>
Message-ID: <6f3ac238-badd-2781-10f8-755c1695fd5f@optonline.net>

All:

Still getting the Wisp error message: "Directory request error NO -5" 
after uninstalling the program. There must be traces of Wisp left in the 
registry so the next step is to do a thorough deletion.

The only reference to this error in the amsat-bb archives points to the 
"Test for SMACK" setting which is unchecked. Apparently, the nature of 
the error has something to do with directory requests so I'm wondering 
if there's a way to solve the problem via Wisp housekeeping?

Any suggestions before I go through a tedious deletion process?

Tony -K2MO



> All:
>
> Wisp is showing the following error when accessing Falconsat-3:
> "Directory request error NO -5 K2MO"
>
> I searched the archives and it seems this error takes place if the parameter "Test for SMACK TNC"  is checked which is not the case here.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Tony -K2MO


From n6rfm1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 19:33:28 2017
From: n6rfm1 at gmail.com (Bob Mattaliano)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 14:33:28 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 and Direwolf
Message-ID: <46e84bb0-2c26-a45f-92ff-6f190735d74a@gmail.com>

Happy Post-Christmas and Pre-New Year Everyone!

Is anyone using Direwolf together with WISP in full duplex mode?? If so, 
any special settings?

TKS es 73,

Bob
N6RFM

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Wed Dec 27 19:43:06 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 14:43:06 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5
In-Reply-To: <6f3ac238-badd-2781-10f8-755c1695fd5f@optonline.net>
References: <646f8f25-cb3d-ce5c-0ab0-11080dc5ed04@optonline.net>	<020d01d37eae$6b549170$41fdb450$@net>
	<6f3ac238-badd-2781-10f8-755c1695fd5f@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <170901d37f4a$eaf182c0$c0d48840$@mindspring.com>

Edson sent this to the list back on 10/20:

"Thank you to everyone that has contacted me privately.

Last night I installed Windows 7 32-bits and WISP on a virtual machine and
to my surprise, the problem I have been having persisted. After a lot of
hair pulling (not much left anyway) and investigation, I found that the
culprit was neither Windows nor WISP. It was the serial to TCP bridge HW VSP
software. If the NVT option of HW VSP is enabled, it inserts some control
data in the data stream when it finds some pattern on the input data stream.
In the case of a dir fill, it was introducing three 0xFF bytes right in
middle of the KISS frame. This was being sent over AX.25 to
Falconsat-3 and was the cause of the "NO -5" error.

I've tested requesting a dir fill during the last pass here and Falconsat-3
replied with a nice "OK PY2SDR"! Now let's grab some headers and try to
upload a small file.

73, Edson PY2SDR"

Hope this helps.

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 2:39 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5

All:

Still getting the Wisp error message: "Directory request error NO -5" 
after uninstalling the program. There must be traces of Wisp left in the
registry so the next step is to do a thorough deletion.

The only reference to this error in the amsat-bb archives points to the
"Test for SMACK" setting which is unchecked. Apparently, the nature of the
error has something to do with directory requests so I'm wondering if
there's a way to solve the problem via Wisp housekeeping?

Any suggestions before I go through a tedious deletion process?

Tony -K2MO



> All:
>
> Wisp is showing the following error when accessing Falconsat-3:
> "Directory request error NO -5 K2MO"
>
> I searched the archives and it seems this error takes place if the
parameter "Test for SMACK TNC"  is checked which is not the case here.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Tony -K2MO

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From royldean at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 20:15:13 2017
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:15:13 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
Message-ID: <CADGPg2t=K4EAe2qMLzbjmz=5XREVJ9NH=4eCaO5FXZuH24OfCg@mail.gmail.com>

Word on the street is that the digipeater is indeed switched on, but is
just not working.   I have not yet had an opportunity to set up and listen
for it to see if it's off completely, or if the packets are just so bad as
to be un-decodable by any software.

I can tell you that prior to being shut off the last time, the packets -
while decodable - were drifting in frequency pretty noticeably.   There was
a serious "slant" in the packets when viewed on a waterfall - and this was
most definitely NOT due to doppler.   Yet my Kenwood and Direwolf had no
problems decoding them.   I'm wondering if the digi is in fact beaconing
and digipeating, but the packets are just so bad now that nothing can
decode them?

Interested to see if anybody has noticed anything at all (even if it was
pure silence)?   Plenty of "not heard" reports on the Amsat status page - I
assume those were more than just "nothing showed up on my satgate report
and/or ariss.net".

-Roy
K3RLD


> No APRS through ISS for 21 days. Anybody have any hints as to when it
> will be back up and running? Steve AI9IN

From dxdx at optonline.net  Wed Dec 27 21:02:34 2017
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:02:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5
In-Reply-To: <170901d37f4a$eaf182c0$c0d48840$@mindspring.com>
References: <646f8f25-cb3d-ce5c-0ab0-11080dc5ed04@optonline.net>
	<020d01d37eae$6b549170$41fdb450$@net>
	<6f3ac238-badd-2781-10f8-755c1695fd5f@optonline.net>
	<170901d37f4a$eaf182c0$c0d48840$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <e4e693d9-a2b6-aeeb-1656-d30640837525@optonline.net>

Andrew:

> If the NVT option of HW VSP is enabled, it inserts some control data in the data stream

Talk about coincidence...

I was comparing my notes and going over the UZ7HO modem setup as well as 
VSP setup when your message came through -- just worked a Falconsat with 
the VSP NVT disabled and all is fine.

Thanks, Tony -K2MO

From dxdx at optonline.net  Wed Dec 27 22:02:36 2017
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:02:36 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved
In-Reply-To: <e4e693d9-a2b6-aeeb-1656-d30640837525@optonline.net>
References: <646f8f25-cb3d-ce5c-0ab0-11080dc5ed04@optonline.net>
	<020d01d37eae$6b549170$41fdb450$@net>
	<6f3ac238-badd-2781-10f8-755c1695fd5f@optonline.net>
	<170901d37f4a$eaf182c0$c0d48840$@mindspring.com>
	<e4e693d9-a2b6-aeeb-1656-d30640837525@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <7404e153-df3c-8f61-3fcd-d400ca583e71@optonline.net>

All:

Just a reminder for those using Wisp, HW VSP and the UZ7HO modem to work 
Falconsat:

Make sure NVT is disabled under the VSP settings tab. If enabled, it 
will send unwanted data to the satellite causing the directory request 
error no -5 that I was experiencing.

Tony -K2MO



From kb2m at arrl.net  Wed Dec 27 22:27:54 2017
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:27:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved
In-Reply-To: <7404e153-df3c-8f61-3fcd-d400ca583e71@optonline.net>
References: <646f8f25-cb3d-ce5c-0ab0-11080dc5ed04@optonline.net>	<020d01d37eae$6b549170$41fdb450$@net>	<6f3ac238-badd-2781-10f8-755c1695fd5f@optonline.net>	<170901d37f4a$eaf182c0$c0d48840$@mindspring.com>	<e4e693d9-a2b6-aeeb-1656-d30640837525@optonline.net>
	<7404e153-df3c-8f61-3fcd-d400ca583e71@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <03b001d37f61$f104df60$d30e9e20$@net>

Glad you got it going Tony. It's good to see you on the PB :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:03 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved

All:

Just a reminder for those using Wisp, HW VSP and the UZ7HO modem to work
Falconsat:

Make sure NVT is disabled under the VSP settings tab. If enabled, it will
send unwanted data to the satellite causing the directory request error no
-5 that I was experiencing.

Tony -K2MO



From scott23192 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 22:38:38 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:38:38 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
In-Reply-To: <CADGPg2t=K4EAe2qMLzbjmz=5XREVJ9NH=4eCaO5FXZuH24OfCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADGPg2t=K4EAe2qMLzbjmz=5XREVJ9NH=4eCaO5FXZuH24OfCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOYJ_4wiKaXGsNopT8MqGKiosR5J4M65R8=ryFvRMX06VQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have kept the volume up on the radio during all the passes that I've
attempted and heard zero.  No packet-sounding data bursts nor any sound of
anything to indicate that there was a radio transmitting at all.

-Scott,  K4KDR


========================

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Roy Dean <royldean at gmail.com> wrote:

> Word on the street is that the digipeater is indeed switched on, but is
> just not working.   I have not yet had an opportunity to set up and listen
> for it to see if it's off completely, or if the packets are just so bad as
> to be un-decodable by any software.
>
> I can tell you that prior to being shut off the last time, the packets -
> while decodable - were drifting in frequency pretty noticeably.   There was
> a serious "slant" in the packets when viewed on a waterfall - and this was
> most definitely NOT due to doppler.   Yet my Kenwood and Direwolf had no
> problems decoding them.   I'm wondering if the digi is in fact beaconing
> and digipeating, but the packets are just so bad now that nothing can
> decode them?
>
> Interested to see if anybody has noticed anything at all (even if it was
> pure silence)?   Plenty of "not heard" reports on the Amsat status page - I
> assume those were more than just "nothing showed up on my satgate report
> and/or ariss.net".
>
> -Roy
> K3RLD
>
>
> > No APRS through ISS for 21 days. Anybody have any hints as to when it
> > will be back up and running? Steve AI9IN

From k.alexander at rogers.com  Thu Dec 28 00:09:06 2017
From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:09:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] VE3HLS Christmas Rove Schedule
References: <2018927310.4603724.1514419746854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2018927310.4603724.1514419746854@mail.yahoo.com>

Forgot to post this here.? My mistake!
This is the full schedule, which begins tomorrow (Dec 28th) afternoon.? See notes following the schedule.
Meductic, NB? FN65? Thursday Afternoon/Evening?28.12.2017? CAS-4B 21:46 EU?28.12.2017? XW-2B? 23:21?28.12.2017? AO-73? 23:55?29.12.2017? XW-2A? 00:35?29.12.2017? SO-50? 00:51?29.12.2017? CAS-4B 01:06?29.12.2017? AO-73? 01:34?29.12.2017? FO-29? 02:31
Meductic, NB? FN65? Friday Morning?29.12.2017? FO-29? 12:42 CA?29.12.2017? AO-73? 13:16?29.12.2017? XW-2A? 13:25?29.12.2017? AO-07? 14:18 EU?29.12.2017? FO-29? 14:33 CA
Metis-sur-Mer, QC? FN58/68 Friday Afternoon/Evening?29.12.2017? XW-2B? 23:08?29.12.2017? CAS-4B 23:16?29.12.2017? SO-50? 23:35?29.12.2017? FO-29? 23:50 EU?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 00:56 CA?30.12.2017? SO-50? 01:16?30.12.2017? FO-29? 01:35?30.12.2017? AO-73? 01:54 CA?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 02:37 CA
Warwick, QC? FN35/45 Saturday afternoon Dec 30th?30.12.2017? AO-07? 20:39 CA?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 21:26 EU?30.12.2017? SO-50? 22:20 BC/EU?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 23:06 CA
?BC - Pass favours British Columbia?EU - Pass favours Europe?CA - Pass favours U.S. west coast
Notes
- I've had a few people ask about FN66.? My "mission" is to make sure NP4JV gets FN65 to complete his 488.? If we accomplish that on one of the Thursday afternoon passes, then I will use some or all of the Friday morning FN65 passes to operate from FN66 instead.
- As I stated above, the purpose of my trip to FN65 is to make sure Fernando gets it for the FFMA.? You can help too.? If you hear NP4JV calling me, or hear me calling him, please kindly wait while we complete this important QSO.? After that I'll take as many callers as I can.? The quieter it is, the quicker we can get this done.? Thanks in advance!
- K4FEG told me he needs FN68, so I'm going there.? I don't know of anyone else who has this in their log, so it should be fun!
- K6FW needs FN35/45, so I'm making a stop there for a few passes on my return trip.
- See what happens when you post your grid maps and send your requests to me?

From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 03:48:58 2017
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:48:58 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
Message-ID: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9@OsbornesPC>

Hi Folks,

I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, 
I?m finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least 1 dead cell).

Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it perform?

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 06:22:59 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:22:59 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
In-Reply-To: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9@OsbornesPC>
References: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <608897c2-d02b-d721-15cf-31720cd851aa@gmail.com>

Hi Terry,

Well, the small NiCd battery pack on my DJ-580 has a nominal 7.2 volt
rating (when years ago it would hold a charge, that is), so a 9v supply
should be plenty for proper operation.  You won't get the full 5 watts
out, but receive audio should be unaffected. 

Perhaps the audio connectors might be dirty?  Also, recall that there is
a difference between the V.U.SP jack on the left, and the SP jack in the
middle, with a stereo plug required for the V.U.SP jack.  Which are you
using?  Volume control still work (no dirty wiper contacts)?

I've not used the radio for some years now, though it does still power
up with external power...  Might be worth dusting off, since it is full
duplex.

Greg  KO6TH





Wendy and Terry Osborne wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
> When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, 
> I?m finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least 1 dead cell).
>
> Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it perform?
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 
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From jcwerth1 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 29 02:56:02 2017
From: jcwerth1 at yahoo.com (Joe Werth)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:56:02 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
In-Reply-To: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9@OsbornesPC>
References: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9@OsbornesPC>
Message-ID: <20171229025603.CE23A88DB@lansing182.amsat.org>

Hi Terry,

About 3 years ago, I attempted to use my decades old Alinco DJ-580 to get me started in Sats with SO-50.? (I have the large 12V battery to get the full 5 watt output). I found the DJ-580 had less than stellar receiver sensitivity and was cumbersome in trying to get the memories set up without having to continue to push either the UHF or VHF buttons to change freqs with Doppler.? In the end, I gave up with trying to use it for satellite. After a long hiatus, this past April, I purchased a Yaesu FT-60-R and receiver sensitively was like night and day and subsequently had great success on FM birds.
I still have the DJ-580 and have considered using it for TX only and the FT-60R to achieve full duplex.? Otherwise it is destined for my grave-yard box. ?

Best 73
Joe ? KE9AJ


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From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:50 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580

Hi Folks,

I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, 
I?m finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least 1 dead cell).

Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it perform?

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 
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From framirezferrer at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 03:46:38 2017
From: framirezferrer at gmail.com (Fernando Ramirez)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!
Message-ID: <CAGHXx8hXUmPPAxeEajjTvDOoWZV=CPQ998Y+N6d+QxDhAeAcfw@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening fellow satelliteers!

Finally, I was able to connect with an operator in FN65!

Today, I had the privilege of working Ken, VE3HLS, on XW-2B during his trip
to New Brunswick. We completed our QSO when the satellite was at 2? for me.

I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Ken for going out of his
way to help bring down the "white whale", and last grid needed in the 488
CONUS.

I want to also thank all the satellite operators that made this possible.
All credit goes to them! Extra thanks to all those who travelled and helped
with multiple grid squares.  This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and 3
months of operating Ham Radio Satellites.

My apologies for the long list. These are the unique callsigns and number
of grids I worked them on:

NJ7H 92
W5PFG 31
KG5CCI 24
N6UA 22
WD9EWK 17
AK4WQ 16
N4UFO 16
N9IP 14
KL7R 11
VE3HLS 11
AI6GS 10
AC0RA 9
AA5PK 7
N8RO 7
KK4FEM 6
W4FS 6
K8BL 5
KM4RTS 5
KO4MA 5
N8HM 5
WA7HQD 5
WI7P 5
AA0CW 4
K8OE 4
K0D 3
KI4RO 3
KL7CN/W6 3
KM4LAO 3
N0JE 3
N1AIA 3
N7AGF 3
N9EAT 3
NX9B 3
W1PA 3
AD0TM 2
K6R 2
KA4H 2
KB1PVH 2
KB1SF 2
KC1EXK 2
KD8ATF 2
KE0FJI 2
KE4AL 2
KG4AKV 2
KG5FQT 2
KX9X/7 2
NR0T 2
NS3L 2
W0N 2
WA5KBH 2
WC7V 2
WE4B 2
WN9Q 2
AA5CK 1
AA9LC 1
HP/KG5FQX/MM 1
K0MDJ 1
K3RRR 1
K4RGK 1
K4YYL 1
K5L 1
K5T 1
K6FW 1
K6G/MM 1
K8DBD 1
KA3HSW 1
KA6SIP 1
KB0VXN 1
KB6A 1
KC3GFZ 1
KC4LE 1
KC5JSV 1
KC7MG 1
KC8QDQ 1
KC9ELU 1
KD8CAO 1
KE3LB 1
KE7JIM 1
KE8AKW 1
KF4FC 1
KG4ZQY 1
KG5AYB 1
KG5FQX 1
KG5GJT 1
KG5IPA 1
KG7EZ 1
KJ4EU 1
KK4OYJ/W0 1
KK8Y 1
KL7CN/W7 1
KM4MYW 1
KM4SYN 1
KM4THG 1
KU4UV 1
KX9X/1 1
KX9X/5 1
N0VVV 1
N1JEZ 1
N5UWY 1
N5UWY/VE2 1
N7DFL 1
N7SMT 1
N8MS 1
NJ7H/VE2 1
NJ7H/VE3 1
NJ7H/VE4 1
NM3B 1
VA3ECO 1
VE2FU 1
VE3/KA4H 1
W0DHB 1
W0JW 1
W0LSB 1
W1AW 1
W1GKT 1
W2JV 1
W2LI 1
W3ZM/9 1
W4DTA 1
W4UOO 1
W5GRP 1
W5RKN/100 1
W6GMT 1
W7JSD 1
W7QL 1
W8AB 1
W8MV/4 1
W9RF 1
WA6FWF 1
WB3CSY 1
WB9YIG 1
WI9I 1
WQ6C 1
WR7X 1
WU2M 1
WV2I 1


Again, thank you to all of them!

73

Fernando, NP4JV
Arizona

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 04:13:06 2017
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:13:06 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
In-Reply-To: <20171229025603.CE23A88DB@lansing182.amsat.org>
References: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9@OsbornesPC>
	<20171229025603.CE23A88DB@lansing182.amsat.org>
Message-ID: <c2762e64-fc16-df4c-7b2e-67f07594bfe0@gmail.com>

One other thing regarding the DJ-580 to be aware of, is the tendency for
the center conductor of the antenna connector to break free from the PC
board.  It's a result of the BNC coming a bit loose from the case and
rotating.  Not too hard to fix, but you have to dig really deep into the
radio to do it (the Tx board is at the bottom of the stack).  Then put
some locking glue around the BNC.

But that won't affect the receive audio level, per se, presuming you can
still get a quieting signal into the rig.

With the agile receiver on AO-91, I wonder if the manual adjustment for
Doppler might not be quite so difficult?

Greg  KO6TH


Joe Werth via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi Terry,
>
> About 3 years ago, I attempted to use my decades old Alinco DJ-580 to get me started in Sats with SO-50.  (I have the large 12V battery to get the full 5 watt output). I found the DJ-580 had less than stellar receiver sensitivity and was cumbersome in trying to get the memories set up without having to continue to push either the UHF or VHF buttons to change freqs with Doppler.  In the end, I gave up with trying to use it for satellite. After a long hiatus, this past April, I purchased a Yaesu FT-60-R and receiver sensitively was like night and day and subsequently had great success on FM birds.
> I still have the DJ-580 and have considered using it for TX only and the FT-60R to achieve full duplex.  Otherwise it is destined for my grave-yard box. ?
>
> Best 73
> Joe ? KE9AJ
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:50 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
> When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, 
> I?m finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least 1 dead cell).
>
> Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it perform?
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 
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From saguaroastro at cox.net  Fri Dec 29 04:56:47 2017
From: saguaroastro at cox.net (Rick Tejera)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:56:47 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!
In-Reply-To: <rfx11w0044F0Vt701fx3Lo>
References: <rfx11w0044F0Vt701fx3Lo>
Message-ID: <20171229045708.IRZW4490.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306.cox.net>

Congratulations! Well done Fernando.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Fernando Ramirez
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 20:57
To: AMSAT -BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!

Good evening fellow satelliteers!

Finally, I was able to connect with an operator in FN65!

Today, I had the privilege of working Ken, VE3HLS, on XW-2B during his trip
to New Brunswick. We completed our QSO when the satellite was at 2? for me.

I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Ken for going out of his
way to help bring down the "white whale", and last grid needed in the 488
CONUS.

I want to also thank all the satellite operators that made this possible.
All credit goes to them! Extra thanks to all those who travelled and helped
with multiple grid squares.  This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and 3
months of operating Ham Radio Satellites.

My apologies for the long list. These are the unique callsigns and number
of grids I worked them on:

NJ7H 92
W5PFG 31
KG5CCI 24
N6UA 22
WD9EWK 17
AK4WQ 16
N4UFO 16
N9IP 14
KL7R 11
VE3HLS 11
AI6GS 10
AC0RA 9
AA5PK 7
N8RO 7
KK4FEM 6
W4FS 6
K8BL 5
KM4RTS 5
KO4MA 5
N8HM 5
WA7HQD 5
WI7P 5
AA0CW 4
K8OE 4
K0D 3
KI4RO 3
KL7CN/W6 3
KM4LAO 3
N0JE 3
N1AIA 3
N7AGF 3
N9EAT 3
NX9B 3
W1PA 3
AD0TM 2
K6R 2
KA4H 2
KB1PVH 2
KB1SF 2
KC1EXK 2
KD8ATF 2
KE0FJI 2
KE4AL 2
KG4AKV 2
KG5FQT 2
KX9X/7 2
NR0T 2
NS3L 2
W0N 2
WA5KBH 2
WC7V 2
WE4B 2
WN9Q 2
AA5CK 1
AA9LC 1
HP/KG5FQX/MM 1
K0MDJ 1
K3RRR 1
K4RGK 1
K4YYL 1
K5L 1
K5T 1
K6FW 1
K6G/MM 1
K8DBD 1
KA3HSW 1
KA6SIP 1
KB0VXN 1
KB6A 1
KC3GFZ 1
KC4LE 1
KC5JSV 1
KC7MG 1
KC8QDQ 1
KC9ELU 1
KD8CAO 1
KE3LB 1
KE7JIM 1
KE8AKW 1
KF4FC 1
KG4ZQY 1
KG5AYB 1
KG5FQX 1
KG5GJT 1
KG5IPA 1
KG7EZ 1
KJ4EU 1
KK4OYJ/W0 1
KK8Y 1
KL7CN/W7 1
KM4MYW 1
KM4SYN 1
KM4THG 1
KU4UV 1
KX9X/1 1
KX9X/5 1
N0VVV 1
N1JEZ 1
N5UWY 1
N5UWY/VE2 1
N7DFL 1
N7SMT 1
N8MS 1
NJ7H/VE2 1
NJ7H/VE3 1
NJ7H/VE4 1
NM3B 1
VA3ECO 1
VE2FU 1
VE3/KA4H 1
W0DHB 1
W0JW 1
W0LSB 1
W1AW 1
W1GKT 1
W2JV 1
W2LI 1
W3ZM/9 1
W4DTA 1
W4UOO 1
W5GRP 1
W5RKN/100 1
W6GMT 1
W7JSD 1
W7QL 1
W8AB 1
W8MV/4 1
W9RF 1
WA6FWF 1
WB3CSY 1
WB9YIG 1
WI9I 1
WQ6C 1
WR7X 1
WU2M 1
WV2I 1


Again, thank you to all of them!

73

Fernando, NP4JV
Arizona
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From bryan at kl7cn.net  Fri Dec 29 05:07:50 2017
From: bryan at kl7cn.net (Bryan Green)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:07:50 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!
In-Reply-To: <CAGHXx8hXUmPPAxeEajjTvDOoWZV=CPQ998Y+N6d+QxDhAeAcfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGHXx8hXUmPPAxeEajjTvDOoWZV=CPQ998Y+N6d+QxDhAeAcfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BACAF24E-ED1A-4E16-9D94-309D69459468@kl7cn.net>

Well done, Fernando! Proud of you!

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan at kl7cn.net

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 19:46, Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good evening fellow satelliteers!
> 
> Finally, I was able to connect with an operator in FN65!
> 
> Today, I had the privilege of working Ken, VE3HLS, on XW-2B during his trip
> to New Brunswick. We completed our QSO when the satellite was at 2? for me.
> 
> I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Ken for going out of his
> way to help bring down the "white whale", and last grid needed in the 488
> CONUS.
> 
> I want to also thank all the satellite operators that made this possible.
> All credit goes to them! Extra thanks to all those who travelled and helped
> with multiple grid squares.  This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and 3
> months of operating Ham Radio Satellites.
> 
> My apologies for the long list. These are the unique callsigns and number
> of grids I worked them on:
> 
> NJ7H 92
> W5PFG 31
> KG5CCI 24
> N6UA 22
> WD9EWK 17
> AK4WQ 16
> N4UFO 16
> N9IP 14
> KL7R 11
> VE3HLS 11
> AI6GS 10
> AC0RA 9
> AA5PK 7
> N8RO 7
> KK4FEM 6
> W4FS 6
> K8BL 5
> KM4RTS 5
> KO4MA 5
> N8HM 5
> WA7HQD 5
> WI7P 5
> AA0CW 4
> K8OE 4
> K0D 3
> KI4RO 3
> KL7CN/W6 3
> KM4LAO 3
> N0JE 3
> N1AIA 3
> N7AGF 3
> N9EAT 3
> NX9B 3
> W1PA 3
> AD0TM 2
> K6R 2
> KA4H 2
> KB1PVH 2
> KB1SF 2
> KC1EXK 2
> KD8ATF 2
> KE0FJI 2
> KE4AL 2
> KG4AKV 2
> KG5FQT 2
> KX9X/7 2
> NR0T 2
> NS3L 2
> W0N 2
> WA5KBH 2
> WC7V 2
> WE4B 2
> WN9Q 2
> AA5CK 1
> AA9LC 1
> HP/KG5FQX/MM 1
> K0MDJ 1
> K3RRR 1
> K4RGK 1
> K4YYL 1
> K5L 1
> K5T 1
> K6FW 1
> K6G/MM 1
> K8DBD 1
> KA3HSW 1
> KA6SIP 1
> KB0VXN 1
> KB6A 1
> KC3GFZ 1
> KC4LE 1
> KC5JSV 1
> KC7MG 1
> KC8QDQ 1
> KC9ELU 1
> KD8CAO 1
> KE3LB 1
> KE7JIM 1
> KE8AKW 1
> KF4FC 1
> KG4ZQY 1
> KG5AYB 1
> KG5FQX 1
> KG5GJT 1
> KG5IPA 1
> KG7EZ 1
> KJ4EU 1
> KK4OYJ/W0 1
> KK8Y 1
> KL7CN/W7 1
> KM4MYW 1
> KM4SYN 1
> KM4THG 1
> KU4UV 1
> KX9X/1 1
> KX9X/5 1
> N0VVV 1
> N1JEZ 1
> N5UWY 1
> N5UWY/VE2 1
> N7DFL 1
> N7SMT 1
> N8MS 1
> NJ7H/VE2 1
> NJ7H/VE3 1
> NJ7H/VE4 1
> NM3B 1
> VA3ECO 1
> VE2FU 1
> VE3/KA4H 1
> W0DHB 1
> W0JW 1
> W0LSB 1
> W1AW 1
> W1GKT 1
> W2JV 1
> W2LI 1
> W3ZM/9 1
> W4DTA 1
> W4UOO 1
> W5GRP 1
> W5RKN/100 1
> W6GMT 1
> W7JSD 1
> W7QL 1
> W8AB 1
> W8MV/4 1
> W9RF 1
> WA6FWF 1
> WB3CSY 1
> WB9YIG 1
> WI9I 1
> WQ6C 1
> WR7X 1
> WU2M 1
> WV2I 1
> 
> 
> Again, thank you to all of them!
> 
> 73
> 
> Fernando, NP4JV
> Arizona
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From py4zbz at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 29 13:24:22 2017
From: py4zbz at yahoo.com (Roland Zurmely)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:24:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thumbnails received from ATX-1
References: <1719392390.6012677.1514553862991.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1719392390.6012677.1514553862991@mail.yahoo.com>

See here some of the thumbnails received from Athenoxat-1

<http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/athenoxat.htm#i>
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ

From cdcardon at comcast.net  Fri Dec 29 17:13:02 2017
From: cdcardon at comcast.net (Carlos Cardon)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:13:02 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
Message-ID: <019201d380c8$48f92b60$daeb8220$@comcast.net>

I have listened to numerous ISS passes since the current situation started.
I hear nothing on 145.825 MHz (Doppler corrected), no distorted packets or
any other audible signals.

Carlos
W7QL


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: ISS APRS (Roy Dean)
   2. Re: Update: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5 (Tony)
   3. Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved (Tony)
   4. Re: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved (jeff griffin)
   5. Re: ISS APRS (Scott)
   6. VE3HLS Christmas Rove Schedule (Ken Alexander)
   7. Alinco DJ-580 (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
   8. Re: Alinco DJ-580 (Greg D)
   9. Re: Alinco DJ-580 (Joe Werth)
  10. Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed! (Fernando Ramirez)
  11. Re: Alinco DJ-580 (Greg D)
  12. Re: Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed! (Rick Tejera)
  13. Re: Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed! (Bryan Green)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:15:13 -0500
From: Roy Dean <royldean at gmail.com>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
Message-ID:
	<CADGPg2t=K4EAe2qMLzbjmz=5XREVJ9NH=4eCaO5FXZuH24OfCg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Word on the street is that the digipeater is indeed switched on, but is
just not working.   I have not yet had an opportunity to set up and listen
for it to see if it's off completely, or if the packets are just so bad as
to be un-decodable by any software.

I can tell you that prior to being shut off the last time, the packets -
while decodable - were drifting in frequency pretty noticeably.   There was
a serious "slant" in the packets when viewed on a waterfall - and this was
most definitely NOT due to doppler.   Yet my Kenwood and Direwolf had no
problems decoding them.   I'm wondering if the digi is in fact beaconing
and digipeating, but the packets are just so bad now that nothing can decode
them?

Interested to see if anybody has noticed anything at all (even if it was
pure silence)?   Plenty of "not heard" reports on the Amsat status page - I
assume those were more than just "nothing showed up on my satgate report
and/or ariss.net".

-Roy
K3RLD


> No APRS through ISS for 21 days. Anybody have any hints as to when it 
> will be back up and running? Steve AI9IN


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 16:02:34 -0500
From: Tony <dxdx at optonline.net>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner at mindspring.com>,
	amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5
Message-ID: <e4e693d9-a2b6-aeeb-1656-d30640837525 at optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Andrew:

> If the NVT option of HW VSP is enabled, it inserts some control data 
> in the data stream

Talk about coincidence...

I was comparing my notes and going over the UZ7HO modem setup as well as VSP
setup when your message came through -- just worked a Falconsat with the VSP
NVT disabled and all is fine.

Thanks, Tony -K2MO


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:02:36 -0500
From: Tony <dxdx at optonline.net>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved
Message-ID: <7404e153-df3c-8f61-3fcd-d400ca583e71 at optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

All:

Just a reminder for those using Wisp, HW VSP and the UZ7HO modem to work
Falconsat:

Make sure NVT is disabled under the VSP settings tab. If enabled, it will
send unwanted data to the satellite causing the directory request error no
-5 that I was experiencing.

Tony -K2MO




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:27:54 -0500
From: "jeff griffin" <kb2m at arrl.net>
To: "'Tony'" <dxdx at optonline.net>,	<amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved
Message-ID: <03b001d37f61$f104df60$d30e9e20$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

Glad you got it going Tony. It's good to see you on the PB :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:03 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 Wisp Error NO -5: Solved

All:

Just a reminder for those using Wisp, HW VSP and the UZ7HO modem to work
Falconsat:

Make sure NVT is disabled under the VSP settings tab. If enabled, it will
send unwanted data to the satellite causing the directory request error no
-5 that I was experiencing.

Tony -K2MO




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:38:38 -0500
From: Scott <scott23192 at gmail.com>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
Message-ID:
	<CAJCSnOYJ_4wiKaXGsNopT8MqGKiosR5J4M65R8=ryFvRMX06VQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have kept the volume up on the radio during all the passes that I've
attempted and heard zero.  No packet-sounding data bursts nor any sound of
anything to indicate that there was a radio transmitting at all.

-Scott,  K4KDR


========================

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Roy Dean <royldean at gmail.com> wrote:

> Word on the street is that the digipeater is indeed switched on, but is
> just not working.   I have not yet had an opportunity to set up and listen
> for it to see if it's off completely, or if the packets are just so 
> bad as to be un-decodable by any software.
>
> I can tell you that prior to being shut off the last time, the packets -
> while decodable - were drifting in frequency pretty noticeably.   There
was
> a serious "slant" in the packets when viewed on a waterfall - and this was
> most definitely NOT due to doppler.   Yet my Kenwood and Direwolf had no
> problems decoding them.   I'm wondering if the digi is in fact beaconing
> and digipeating, but the packets are just so bad now that nothing can 
> decode them?
>
> Interested to see if anybody has noticed anything at all (even if it was
> pure silence)?   Plenty of "not heard" reports on the Amsat status page -
I
> assume those were more than just "nothing showed up on my satgate 
> report and/or ariss.net".
>
> -Roy
> K3RLD
>
>
> > No APRS through ISS for 21 days. Anybody have any hints as to when 
> > it will be back up and running? Steve AI9IN


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:09:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] VE3HLS Christmas Rove Schedule
Message-ID: <2018927310.4603724.1514419746854 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Forgot to post this here.? My mistake!
This is the full schedule, which begins tomorrow (Dec 28th) afternoon.? See
notes following the schedule.
Meductic, NB? FN65? Thursday Afternoon/Evening?28.12.2017? CAS-4B 21:46
EU?28.12.2017? XW-2B? 23:21?28.12.2017? AO-73? 23:55?29.12.2017? XW-2A?
00:35?29.12.2017? SO-50? 00:51?29.12.2017? CAS-4B 01:06?29.12.2017? AO-73?
01:34?29.12.2017? FO-29? 02:31 Meductic, NB? FN65? Friday
Morning?29.12.2017? FO-29? 12:42 CA?29.12.2017? AO-73? 13:16?29.12.2017?
XW-2A? 13:25?29.12.2017? AO-07? 14:18 EU?29.12.2017? FO-29? 14:33 CA
Metis-sur-Mer, QC? FN58/68 Friday Afternoon/Evening?29.12.2017? XW-2B?
23:08?29.12.2017? CAS-4B 23:16?29.12.2017? SO-50? 23:35?29.12.2017? FO-29?
23:50 EU?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 00:56 CA?30.12.2017? SO-50? 01:16?30.12.2017?
FO-29? 01:35?30.12.2017? AO-73? 01:54 CA?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 02:37 CA
Warwick, QC? FN35/45 Saturday afternoon Dec 30th?30.12.2017? AO-07? 20:39
CA?30.12.2017? CAS-4B 21:26 EU?30.12.2017? SO-50? 22:20 BC/EU?30.12.2017?
CAS-4B 23:06 CA ?BC - Pass favours British Columbia?EU - Pass favours
Europe?CA - Pass favours U.S. west coast Notes
- I've had a few people ask about FN66.? My "mission" is to make sure NP4JV
gets FN65 to complete his 488.? If we accomplish that on one of the Thursday
afternoon passes, then I will use some or all of the Friday morning FN65
passes to operate from FN66 instead.
- As I stated above, the purpose of my trip to FN65 is to make sure Fernando
gets it for the FFMA.? You can help too.? If you hear NP4JV calling me, or
hear me calling him, please kindly wait while we complete this important
QSO.? After that I'll take as many callers as I can.? The quieter it is, the
quicker we can get this done.? Thanks in advance!
- K4FEG told me he needs FN68, so I'm going there.? I don't know of anyone
else who has this in their log, so it should be fun!
- K6FW needs FN35/45, so I'm making a stop there for a few passes on my
return trip.
- See what happens when you post your grid maps and send your requests to
me?

------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:48:58 +1300
From: "Wendy and Terry Osborne" <wandtosborne at gmail.com>
To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
Message-ID: <33CD077282A147F59696BA7C7682B0B9 at OsbornesPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"

Hi Folks,

I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, I?m
finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least 1
dead cell).

Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it
perform?

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 

------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:22:59 -0800
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com>
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne <wandtosborne at gmail.com>
Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
Message-ID: <608897c2-d02b-d721-15cf-31720cd851aa at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi Terry,

Well, the small NiCd battery pack on my DJ-580 has a nominal 7.2 volt rating
(when years ago it would hold a charge, that is), so a 9v supply should be
plenty for proper operation.  You won't get the full 5 watts out, but
receive audio should be unaffected. 

Perhaps the audio connectors might be dirty?  Also, recall that there is a
difference between the V.U.SP jack on the left, and the SP jack in the
middle, with a stereo plug required for the V.U.SP jack.  Which are you
using?  Volume control still work (no dirty wiper contacts)?

I've not used the radio for some years now, though it does still power up
with external power...  Might be worth dusting off, since it is full duplex.

Greg  KO6TH





Wendy and Terry Osborne wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
> When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, I?m 
> finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least
1 dead cell).
>
> Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it
perform?
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:56:02 -0600
From: Joe Werth <jcwerth1 at yahoo.com>
To: Wendy and Terry Osborne <wandtosborne at gmail.com>,
	"amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
Message-ID: <20171229025603.CE23A88DB at lansing182.amsat.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Terry,

About 3 years ago, I attempted to use my decades old Alinco DJ-580 to get me
started in Sats with SO-50.? (I have the large 12V battery to get the full 5
watt output). I found the DJ-580 had less than stellar receiver sensitivity
and was cumbersome in trying to get the memories set up without having to
continue to push either the UHF or VHF buttons to change freqs with
Doppler.? In the end, I gave up with trying to use it for satellite. After a
long hiatus, this past April, I purchased a Yaesu FT-60-R and receiver
sensitively was like night and day and subsequently had great success on FM
birds.
I still have the DJ-580 and have considered using it for TX only and the
FT-60R to achieve full duplex.? Otherwise it is destined for my grave-yard
box. ?

Best 73
Joe ? KE9AJ


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:50 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580

Hi Folks,

I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, I?m
finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at least 1
dead cell).

Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it
perform?

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:46:38 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!
Message-ID:
	<CAGHXx8hXUmPPAxeEajjTvDOoWZV=CPQ998Y+N6d+QxDhAeAcfw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Good evening fellow satelliteers!

Finally, I was able to connect with an operator in FN65!

Today, I had the privilege of working Ken, VE3HLS, on XW-2B during his trip
to New Brunswick. We completed our QSO when the satellite was at 2? for me.

I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Ken for going out of his
way to help bring down the "white whale", and last grid needed in the 488
CONUS.

I want to also thank all the satellite operators that made this possible.
All credit goes to them! Extra thanks to all those who travelled and helped
with multiple grid squares.  This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and 3
months of operating Ham Radio Satellites.

My apologies for the long list. These are the unique callsigns and number
of grids I worked them on:

NJ7H 92
W5PFG 31
KG5CCI 24
N6UA 22
WD9EWK 17
AK4WQ 16
N4UFO 16
N9IP 14
KL7R 11
VE3HLS 11
AI6GS 10
AC0RA 9
AA5PK 7
N8RO 7
KK4FEM 6
W4FS 6
K8BL 5
KM4RTS 5
KO4MA 5
N8HM 5
WA7HQD 5
WI7P 5
AA0CW 4
K8OE 4
K0D 3
KI4RO 3
KL7CN/W6 3
KM4LAO 3
N0JE 3
N1AIA 3
N7AGF 3
N9EAT 3
NX9B 3
W1PA 3
AD0TM 2
K6R 2
KA4H 2
KB1PVH 2
KB1SF 2
KC1EXK 2
KD8ATF 2
KE0FJI 2
KE4AL 2
KG4AKV 2
KG5FQT 2
KX9X/7 2
NR0T 2
NS3L 2
W0N 2
WA5KBH 2
WC7V 2
WE4B 2
WN9Q 2
AA5CK 1
AA9LC 1
HP/KG5FQX/MM 1
K0MDJ 1
K3RRR 1
K4RGK 1
K4YYL 1
K5L 1
K5T 1
K6FW 1
K6G/MM 1
K8DBD 1
KA3HSW 1
KA6SIP 1
KB0VXN 1
KB6A 1
KC3GFZ 1
KC4LE 1
KC5JSV 1
KC7MG 1
KC8QDQ 1
KC9ELU 1
KD8CAO 1
KE3LB 1
KE7JIM 1
KE8AKW 1
KF4FC 1
KG4ZQY 1
KG5AYB 1
KG5FQX 1
KG5GJT 1
KG5IPA 1
KG7EZ 1
KJ4EU 1
KK4OYJ/W0 1
KK8Y 1
KL7CN/W7 1
KM4MYW 1
KM4SYN 1
KM4THG 1
KU4UV 1
KX9X/1 1
KX9X/5 1
N0VVV 1
N1JEZ 1
N5UWY 1
N5UWY/VE2 1
N7DFL 1
N7SMT 1
N8MS 1
NJ7H/VE2 1
NJ7H/VE3 1
NJ7H/VE4 1
NM3B 1
VA3ECO 1
VE2FU 1
VE3/KA4H 1
W0DHB 1
W0JW 1
W0LSB 1
W1AW 1
W1GKT 1
W2JV 1
W2LI 1
W3ZM/9 1
W4DTA 1
W4UOO 1
W5GRP 1
W5RKN/100 1
W6GMT 1
W7JSD 1
W7QL 1
W8AB 1
W8MV/4 1
W9RF 1
WA6FWF 1
WB3CSY 1
WB9YIG 1
WI9I 1
WQ6C 1
WR7X 1
WU2M 1
WV2I 1


Again, thank you to all of them!

73

Fernando, NP4JV
Arizona


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:13:06 -0800
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com>
To: Joe Werth <jcwerth1 at yahoo.com>,	Wendy and Terry Osborne
	<wandtosborne at gmail.com>
Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
Message-ID: <c2762e64-fc16-df4c-7b2e-67f07594bfe0 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

One other thing regarding the DJ-580 to be aware of, is the tendency for
the center conductor of the antenna connector to break free from the PC
board.  It's a result of the BNC coming a bit loose from the case and
rotating.  Not too hard to fix, but you have to dig really deep into the
radio to do it (the Tx board is at the bottom of the stack).  Then put
some locking glue around the BNC.

But that won't affect the receive audio level, per se, presuming you can
still get a quieting signal into the rig.

With the agile receiver on AO-91, I wonder if the manual adjustment for
Doppler might not be quite so difficult?

Greg  KO6TH


Joe Werth via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi Terry,
>
> About 3 years ago, I attempted to use my decades old Alinco DJ-580 to get
me started in Sats with SO-50.  (I have the large 12V battery to get the
full 5 watt output). I found the DJ-580 had less than stellar receiver
sensitivity and was cumbersome in trying to get the memories set up without
having to continue to push either the UHF or VHF buttons to change freqs
with Doppler.  In the end, I gave up with trying to use it for satellite.
After a long hiatus, this past April, I purchased a Yaesu FT-60-R and
receiver sensitively was like night and day and subsequently had great
success on FM birds.
> I still have the DJ-580 and have considered using it for TX only and the
FT-60R to achieve full duplex.  Otherwise it is destined for my grave-yard
box. ?
>
> Best 73
> Joe ? KE9AJ
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Wendy and Terry Osborne
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:50 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-580
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I?m trying to resurrect my old Alinco DJ-580 for use on AO-85/91.
> When using the DC supply socket on the side with a 9 V plug pack, 
> I?m finding that the Rx audio output is very low (the nicad pack has at
least 1 dead cell).
>
> Is anyone still using one of these radios and if so how well does it
perform?
>
> 73,
> Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:56:47 -0700
From: Rick Tejera <saguaroastro at cox.net>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>, 	AMSAT -BB
	<amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!
Message-ID:
	
<20171229045708.IRZW4490.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net at fed1rmimpo306.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Congratulations! Well done Fernando.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Fernando Ramirez
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 20:57
To: AMSAT -BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!

Good evening fellow satelliteers!

Finally, I was able to connect with an operator in FN65!

Today, I had the privilege of working Ken, VE3HLS, on XW-2B during his trip
to New Brunswick. We completed our QSO when the satellite was at 2? for me.

I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Ken for going out of his
way to help bring down the "white whale", and last grid needed in the 488
CONUS.

I want to also thank all the satellite operators that made this possible.
All credit goes to them! Extra thanks to all those who travelled and helped
with multiple grid squares.  This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and 3
months of operating Ham Radio Satellites.

My apologies for the long list. These are the unique callsigns and number
of grids I worked them on:

NJ7H 92
W5PFG 31
KG5CCI 24
N6UA 22
WD9EWK 17
AK4WQ 16
N4UFO 16
N9IP 14
KL7R 11
VE3HLS 11
AI6GS 10
AC0RA 9
AA5PK 7
N8RO 7
KK4FEM 6
W4FS 6
K8BL 5
KM4RTS 5
KO4MA 5
N8HM 5
WA7HQD 5
WI7P 5
AA0CW 4
K8OE 4
K0D 3
KI4RO 3
KL7CN/W6 3
KM4LAO 3
N0JE 3
N1AIA 3
N7AGF 3
N9EAT 3
NX9B 3
W1PA 3
AD0TM 2
K6R 2
KA4H 2
KB1PVH 2
KB1SF 2
KC1EXK 2
KD8ATF 2
KE0FJI 2
KE4AL 2
KG4AKV 2
KG5FQT 2
KX9X/7 2
NR0T 2
NS3L 2
W0N 2
WA5KBH 2
WC7V 2
WE4B 2
WN9Q 2
AA5CK 1
AA9LC 1
HP/KG5FQX/MM 1
K0MDJ 1
K3RRR 1
K4RGK 1
K4YYL 1
K5L 1
K5T 1
K6FW 1
K6G/MM 1
K8DBD 1
KA3HSW 1
KA6SIP 1
KB0VXN 1
KB6A 1
KC3GFZ 1
KC4LE 1
KC5JSV 1
KC7MG 1
KC8QDQ 1
KC9ELU 1
KD8CAO 1
KE3LB 1
KE7JIM 1
KE8AKW 1
KF4FC 1
KG4ZQY 1
KG5AYB 1
KG5FQX 1
KG5GJT 1
KG5IPA 1
KG7EZ 1
KJ4EU 1
KK4OYJ/W0 1
KK8Y 1
KL7CN/W7 1
KM4MYW 1
KM4SYN 1
KM4THG 1
KU4UV 1
KX9X/1 1
KX9X/5 1
N0VVV 1
N1JEZ 1
N5UWY 1
N5UWY/VE2 1
N7DFL 1
N7SMT 1
N8MS 1
NJ7H/VE2 1
NJ7H/VE3 1
NJ7H/VE4 1
NM3B 1
VA3ECO 1
VE2FU 1
VE3/KA4H 1
W0DHB 1
W0JW 1
W0LSB 1
W1AW 1
W1GKT 1
W2JV 1
W2LI 1
W3ZM/9 1
W4DTA 1
W4UOO 1
W5GRP 1
W5RKN/100 1
W6GMT 1
W7JSD 1
W7QL 1
W8AB 1
W8MV/4 1
W9RF 1
WA6FWF 1
WB3CSY 1
WB9YIG 1
WI9I 1
WQ6C 1
WR7X 1
WU2M 1
WV2I 1


Again, thank you to all of them!

73

Fernando, NP4JV
Arizona
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:07:50 -0800
From: Bryan Green <bryan at kl7cn.net>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Thank you! CONUS 488 Grids Completed!
Message-ID: <BACAF24E-ED1A-4E16-9D94-309D69459468 at kl7cn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Well done, Fernando! Proud of you!

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan at kl7cn.net

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 19:46, Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Good evening fellow satelliteers!
> 
> Finally, I was able to connect with an operator in FN65!
> 
> Today, I had the privilege of working Ken, VE3HLS, on XW-2B during his
trip
> to New Brunswick. We completed our QSO when the satellite was at 2? for
me.
> 
> I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Ken for going out of his
> way to help bring down the "white whale", and last grid needed in the 488
> CONUS.
> 
> I want to also thank all the satellite operators that made this possible.
> All credit goes to them! Extra thanks to all those who travelled and
helped
> with multiple grid squares.  This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and
3
> months of operating Ham Radio Satellites.
> 
> My apologies for the long list. These are the unique callsigns and number
> of grids I worked them on:
> 
> NJ7H 92
> W5PFG 31
> KG5CCI 24
> N6UA 22
> WD9EWK 17
> AK4WQ 16
> N4UFO 16
> N9IP 14
> KL7R 11
> VE3HLS 11
> AI6GS 10
> AC0RA 9
> AA5PK 7
> N8RO 7
> KK4FEM 6
> W4FS 6
> K8BL 5
> KM4RTS 5
> KO4MA 5
> N8HM 5
> WA7HQD 5
> WI7P 5
> AA0CW 4
> K8OE 4
> K0D 3
> KI4RO 3
> KL7CN/W6 3
> KM4LAO 3
> N0JE 3
> N1AIA 3
> N7AGF 3
> N9EAT 3
> NX9B 3
> W1PA 3
> AD0TM 2
> K6R 2
> KA4H 2
> KB1PVH 2
> KB1SF 2
> KC1EXK 2
> KD8ATF 2
> KE0FJI 2
> KE4AL 2
> KG4AKV 2
> KG5FQT 2
> KX9X/7 2
> NR0T 2
> NS3L 2
> W0N 2
> WA5KBH 2
> WC7V 2
> WE4B 2
> WN9Q 2
> AA5CK 1
> AA9LC 1
> HP/KG5FQX/MM 1
> K0MDJ 1
> K3RRR 1
> K4RGK 1
> K4YYL 1
> K5L 1
> K5T 1
> K6FW 1
> K6G/MM 1
> K8DBD 1
> KA3HSW 1
> KA6SIP 1
> KB0VXN 1
> KB6A 1
> KC3GFZ 1
> KC4LE 1
> KC5JSV 1
> KC7MG 1
> KC8QDQ 1
> KC9ELU 1
> KD8CAO 1
> KE3LB 1
> KE7JIM 1
> KE8AKW 1
> KF4FC 1
> KG4ZQY 1
> KG5AYB 1
> KG5FQX 1
> KG5GJT 1
> KG5IPA 1
> KG7EZ 1
> KJ4EU 1
> KK4OYJ/W0 1
> KK8Y 1
> KL7CN/W7 1
> KM4MYW 1
> KM4SYN 1
> KM4THG 1
> KU4UV 1
> KX9X/1 1
> KX9X/5 1
> N0VVV 1
> N1JEZ 1
> N5UWY 1
> N5UWY/VE2 1
> N7DFL 1
> N7SMT 1
> N8MS 1
> NJ7H/VE2 1
> NJ7H/VE3 1
> NJ7H/VE4 1
> NM3B 1
> VA3ECO 1
> VE2FU 1
> VE3/KA4H 1
> W0DHB 1
> W0JW 1
> W0LSB 1
> W1AW 1
> W1GKT 1
> W2JV 1
> W2LI 1
> W3ZM/9 1
> W4DTA 1
> W4UOO 1
> W5GRP 1
> W5RKN/100 1
> W6GMT 1
> W7JSD 1
> W7QL 1
> W8AB 1
> W8MV/4 1
> W9RF 1
> WA6FWF 1
> WB3CSY 1
> WB9YIG 1
> WI9I 1
> WQ6C 1
> WR7X 1
> WU2M 1
> WV2I 1
> 
> 
> Again, thank you to all of them!
> 
> 73
> 
> Fernando, NP4JV
> Arizona
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From royldean at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 20:08:01 2017
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:08:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
Message-ID: <CADGPg2sB0=JzVgAhKvAf5Agf=z+xWqKamiP828X4Usa+kbJUUw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, I set up my SDR last night and listened to a relatively high pass.
 Heard nothing around 145.825, either.

-Roy
K3RLD

I have listened to numerous ISS passes since the current situation started.
> I hear nothing on 145.825 MHz (Doppler corrected), no distorted packets or
> any other audible signals. Carlos
> W7QL

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 20:29:21 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS
In-Reply-To: <CADGPg2sB0=JzVgAhKvAf5Agf=z+xWqKamiP828X4Usa+kbJUUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADGPg2sB0=JzVgAhKvAf5Agf=z+xWqKamiP828X4Usa+kbJUUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD786DDFC5E4FB8B7112A06EA1A53C1@CSI9020>

In case it crosses anyone's mind, on a recent high pass in addition to 
145.825, I also monitored 145.800 and 437.550 just in case.

Nothing heard on any of the frequencies.

-Scott,  K4KDR


==================================

-----Original Message----- 
From: Roy Dean
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:08 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS APRS

Yep, I set up my SDR last night and listened to a relatively high pass.
Heard nothing around 145.825, either.

-Roy
K3RLD

I have listened to numerous ISS passes since the current situation started.
> I hear nothing on 145.825 MHz (Doppler corrected), no distorted packets or
> any other audible signals. Carlos
> W7QL 


From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 29 22:32:57 2017
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:32:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Higher National School of
	Computer Science and Systems Analysis (ENSIAS)
Message-ID: <F5676932F45045ECA00E0577675AC882@DHJ>

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Higher National School of Computer Science and Systems  Analysis (ENSIAS) on 03 Jan. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 13:52 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK5ZAI. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

ENSIAS or National Higher School of Information Technology is Morocco's flagship engineering school specialized in information technology which is celebrating its 25th anniversary during this academic year. ENSIAS is part of King Mohammed V University and offers 6 engineering programs focusing on

Software Engineering, Embedded Systems, Business Intelligence, Cyber-security, Supply Chain and Logistics Management, networks and Artificial Intelligence. There are also other 4 Masters programs offered covering Big Data and Data Science, Internet of Things, Embedded Systems for Automotive

Industry and Financial Engineering and Risk Management. The number of students in all these programs together is about 1200. ENSIAS offers also a very strong PhD program with more than 350 students developing research projects covering all the fields mentioned above. ENSIAS Valley is the star tup and enterprise space that was launched during the last few months to

promote innovation and entrepreneurship in the school. There are already few companies and start-ups in the fields of mobile Apps and software engineering, IoT, AI and driverless cars.

 

ENSIAS has a relatively strong exchange and cooperation programs with many universities and colleges in Europe, Canada and USA.

 

ENSIAS is very proud to be selected for the ARISS program and its students are looking forwards to the live contact with ISS astronaut.

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1. Apart from exploring it, what could humanity possibly win from getting 

   into space?

2. What impact has space research in the biomedical field?

3. In weightlessness, fluids shift upward, forming kidney stones and 

   shrinking heart. How do you prevent yourselves from similar dangers?

4. How many hours do you spend on research?

5. What are the artificial intelligence applications used in space missions 

   today?

6. What advice would you give to someone aspiring to be astronaut?

7. What is your opinion on the Arecibo message?

8. What is your take on the fermi paradox?

9. Elon Musk revealed that he is willing to colonize mars, what do you think 

   about it?

10. What upcoming ISS missions are you excited about?

11. We all know that Space junk is becoming a real problem. Can you tell us a 

    bit about some technologies that can be used to get these objects under 

    control; the possibilities of controlling the speed and path of these      

    objects?

12. What kinds of tests do you run on Earth before going on a space mission?

13. How long does it take to get used to zero gravity in missions since it 

    differs from training?

14. Have you noticed any effects on your body from weightlessness?

15. What are side effects that an astronaut can suffer from being too long in 

    space?

16. How long and what kind of missions do you have on the ISS?

17. Is there a risk of the ISS being hit by a meteorite?

18. With all those movies about meteorites, do we have a defensive system 

    that can protect us from them?

19. Were there any natural disasters that were monitored and controlled from 

    space?

20. What is the reason behind the spacesuit white color?

 

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

 

Next planned event(s):

     

TBD

 

 

About ARISS: 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) and  National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).  The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues.  With the help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a variety of public forums.  Before and during these radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio.  For more information, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN


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From AJ9N at aol.com  Fri Dec 29 22:54:40 2017
From: AJ9N at aol.com (AJ9N at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:54:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-29 23:00
	UTC
Message-ID: <4a3056.50243da3.477821b0@aol.com>

Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2017-12-29  23:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Higher National School of Computer Science and Systems  Analysis (ENSIAS), 
Rabat, Morocco, telebridge via VK5ZAI
The ISS callsign is  presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Mark Vande Hei  KG5GNP
Contact is a go for: Wed 2018-01-03 13:52:42 UTC 33 deg 
Watch for  live stream at 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVrHxxZ5pCvF-6I2O1-wgqQ/live  (***)

****************************************************************************
**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.  
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send 
your  reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to  
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?  
 
If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete 
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.                       
      

http://www.ariss-eu.org/    

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to 
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke at sbcglobal.net
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 
 
schools:  

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 
Satoshi 7M3TJZ with  127
Gaston ON4WF with 123
Sergey RV3DR with  100

****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date  
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are  
additional 
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own 
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed 
time. 
All dates and times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date and 
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2017-12-29 23:00 UTC.   
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and  
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and  
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.    

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1200.
Each school counts as 1  event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1149.
Each  contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.
Total number of  ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47. 

A complete year by year  breakdown of the contacts may be found in the  
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern 
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:   
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html  

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2017-12-27 01:00  UTC.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  53 on orbit
Mark Vande Hei KG5GNP
Alexander Misurkin
Joe Acaba  KE5DAR

Exp. 54 on orbit
Scott Tingle KG5NZA
Norishige  Kanai
Alexander  Skvortsov

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie  Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team  mentors













From jim at beeson.cc  Sat Dec 30 02:56:57 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:56:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Rev C issue
Message-ID: <f6dcc9370e798a936e613ec7b3df3036.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>




I have three sats that I track with SatPC32 rev c. A lot lately the graphic display will loose one or two of the sats for no apparent reason. The program is still tracking them because the audio still tells me
when a sat comes up and I can actually highlight one of the missing sats by clicking it in the lower right hand corner. Any thoughts?

From charlieray at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 03:15:01 2017
From: charlieray at gmail.com (Charles Reiche)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:15:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Rev C issue
In-Reply-To: <f6dcc9370e798a936e613ec7b3df3036.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>
References: <f6dcc9370e798a936e613ec7b3df3036.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>
Message-ID: <CAMkCmDqiFb_UxpdgFvTTRZUKU+uo5a5btsTVP-edspejchcsPw@mail.gmail.com>

Make sure that you have them selected to "show" in the Satellites menu.
They should have a * next to them like is this picture.
https://i.imgur.com/jTP8diB.png

N3CRT
Charles Reiche

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:56 PM, <jim at beeson.cc> wrote:

>
>
>
> I have three sats that I track with SatPC32 rev c. A lot lately the
> graphic display will loose one or two of the sats for no apparent reason.
> The program is still tracking them because the audio still tells me
> when a sat comes up and I can actually highlight one of the missing sats
> by clicking it in the lower right hand corner. Any thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
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From ruthwillet at att.net  Sat Dec 30 03:17:30 2017
From: ruthwillet at att.net (Ruth)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:17:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] EM84 Rove through GA and SC
Message-ID: <13F490C4-C9DC-4FC9-B02C-23CDCE3A99F4@att.net>

Good evening satellite operators,

I will be roving to EM84 tomorrow! The passes that I?m planning to be on are:
17:02z SO50 pass from Georgia 
18:32z AO91 pass from South Carolina
 
We'll be driving between the two passes, so hopefully the timing will work out ok. Assuming there's not much traffic, we should have more than enough time to get to SC. 

I know it's a weekend and the FM satellites will be pretty busy, but I'll do my best to help you get the grid/state that you need. I have a list going of ops who need the grid and/or state, but feel free to respond to this email if you need them and I?ll do my best to listen for you. I will be back in GA soon, and am already planning more roves to South Carolina within the next few months.  If you can?t get the grid/state tomorrow, I should be back sooner than later! 

All my logs will be uploaded to LOTW. 

73,
Ruth
KM4LAO

From jim at beeson.cc  Sat Dec 30 03:19:37 2017
From: jim at beeson.cc (jim at beeson.cc)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:19:37 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Rev C issue
In-Reply-To: <CAMkCmDqiFb_UxpdgFvTTRZUKU+uo5a5btsTVP-edspejchcsPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6dcc9370e798a936e613ec7b3df3036.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>
	<CAMkCmDqiFb_UxpdgFvTTRZUKU+uo5a5btsTVP-edspejchcsPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b12e078b9aca36a2cb887fafa961a19.squirrel@webmail04.register.com>




Charles, you are Da Man! That fixed it. Thanks very much.
73,
WA5QAP

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------

Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Rev C issue

From: "Charles Reiche" <charlieray at gmail.com>

Date: Fri, December 29, 2017 10:15 pm

To: jim at beeson.cc

Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org

--------------------------------------------------------------------------



> Make sure that you have them selected to "show" in the Satellites menu.

> They should have a * next to them like is this picture.

> https://i.imgur.com/jTP8diB.png

>

> N3CRT

> Charles Reiche

>

> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:56 PM, <jim at beeson.cc> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>> I have three sats that I track with SatPC32 rev c. A lot lately the

>> graphic display will loose one or two of the sats for no apparent reason.

>> The program is still tracking them because the audio still tells me

>> when a sat comes up and I can actually highlight one of the missing sats

>> by clicking it in the lower right hand corner. Any thoughts?

>> _______________________________________________

>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available

>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions

>> expressed

>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of

>> AMSAT-NA.

>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!

>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

>>

>

From lanekg at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 15:14:29 2017
From: lanekg at gmail.com (Greg Lane)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 09:14:29 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] N4KGL EL79 ARRL Grid Chase New Years Day Activation
Message-ID: <CAKBWdLpAf=x275f5D2qMig0qriy-tnvu4SfR9ebLEgxXyr5x=w@mail.gmail.com>

The 2018 ARRL International Grid Chase applies to all bands except 60
meters. See http://www.arrl.org/news/announcing-the-arrl-
international-grid-chase
<http://www.arrl.org/news/announcing-the-arrl-international-grid-chase>

I figure EL79 will be popular. I wiil be portable at the lighthouse on St
George Island on New Years Day for this pass. I will appreciate any
contacts.

SO-50 will be visible from St George Island, on Monday, January 1, 2018
16:16:39 UTC
Starting in the SW (223?)
Ending in the NNE (19?) at 16:29:48 UTC
Maximum elevation: 39.8??

Then on to St. George Island State Park. At the park will start HF Ops at
1200 CST/1800 UTC for two hours. We will spot to DX Summit.  We will upload
the logs to LOTW. Upload yours to obtain Grid Chase credit for matching
contacts.

Note the park is KFF-0635, the Lighthouse is USA 140, and the Island is
FL007S and NA-85.  Jim K4LIX and Cory N4UVR may also be active from EL79.

Greg N4KGL
LaneKG at gmail.com

From wa7dxz at aol.com  Sat Dec 30 23:05:51 2017
From: wa7dxz at aol.com (wa7dxz)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:05:51 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?
Message-ID: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>


I want to upgrade my ant system, I don't mind spending some $,,, but before I waste $,,, any recommendations,, I will be able to do az and elevationBobWa7dxzPhoenix

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From wageners at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 23:39:25 2017
From: wageners at gmail.com (Stefan Wagener)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:39:25 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?
In-Reply-To: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
References: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CAKu8kHBFvKMxmJZ_XJXfkCkrtJj2Duxpv1uEjkPzwLr1yeJ8kg@mail.gmail.com>

Look at the M2s!

Stefan

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:05 PM, wa7dxz via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>
> I want to upgrade my ant system, I don't mind spending some $,,, but
> before I waste $,,, any recommendations,, I will be able to do az and
> elevationBobWa7dxzPhoenix
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From k9jkm at comcast.net  Sun Dec 31 02:27:06 2017
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:27:06 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-365 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <c45d1114-3a30-5568-6af6-7020af6c7238@comcast.net>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-365

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans

In this edition:

* GOLF-TEE $15,000 Matching Funds President?s Challenge
* New Year's Weekend - AMSAT CW Activity Day 2018 In Memory Of G3IOR
* New Year's Weekend - AO73 / FUNcube-1 Happy Holiday Mode
* New Year's Weekend - AMSAT Office Closed For Holiday
* KB1LQC's Faraday RF Blog Describes the Development of the AO-91 MPPT
* Fernando, NP4JV Completes Satellite Contact With All 488 CONUS Grids
* KA9Q AMSAT Archive Updated With Phase 3-B/Oscar-10 Documents
* Volunteer Opportunity - Openings for News Service Rotating Editor
* The ARRL International Grid Chase Includes Satellite Contacts
* NASA/JPL is Testing Combined Deployable Solar Cell & Antenna Panel
* Philippines? Diwata-2 Microsat to Include Amateur Radio Transponder
* IARU Coordination Completed for DreamSat for ISS Deployment in 2019
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


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 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE December 31, 2017
To All RADIO AMATEURS
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GOLF-TEE $15,000 Matching Funds President?s Challenge

In October 2017 AMSAT announced the GOLF (Greater Orbit, Larger Foot-
print) program. The first project of the GOLF program is a technology
demonstrator named GOLF-TEE (Technology Evaluation Environment). The
design is a 3U CubeSat with deployable solar panels, ADAC (attitude
determination and control), Software Defined Radio (SDR) Transponder,
and a Vanderbilt University Low Energy Proton (LEP) experiment. Now
is the time to begin work on the GOLF-TEE Project.

At the end of 2017, AMSAT has generous offers from two AMSAT Past
Presidents for matching funds up to $15,000 for those that contribute
to the GOLF-TEE campaign at:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=STK27W4G9RMLC
(Shortened URL without linewrap:
http://tinyurl.com/ANS-365-PayPal-GOLF-Donation ) between now and Feb-
ruary 15th. Make your donation twice as valuable by taking advantage
of this opportunity and contributing, and help AMSAT fund the launch
of the next series of satellites of the GOLF program. There are also
donate buttons for GOLF-TEE on the AMSAT website. Planning is for a
launch in 2019.

Donations of $100 and $1,000 or more will be eligible for a special
AMSAT GOLF premium. (Both premiums are currently being designed, so
please be patient awaiting delivery.)

AMSAT is a 501-(c)-(3) not-for-profit educational and scientific
organization of amateur radio operators whose purpose is to design,
construct, launch, and operate satellites in space and to provide
the support needed to encourage amateurs to utilize these resources.
Please consider a tax-deductible contribution to AMSAT to help under-
write the development and launch expenses of our GOLF satellite program.

Donors wishing to provide additional matching funds please contact
Joe Spier, K6WAO at k6wao at amsat.org.

(ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information)

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New Year's Weekend - AMSAT CW Activity Day 2018 In Memory Of G3IOR

You are cordially invited to participate in AMSAT's second annual CW
Activity Day.? It will be held from 0001 to 2400 UTC on January 1,
2018. This year's event is dedicated to the memory of Pat Gowen,
G3IOR.

The rules are very simple: there aren't any.? Just operate CW
through any amateur radio satellite.? Straight keys and "bugs" are
encouraged, but not required.? The important thing is to get on the
air and have fun.

[ANS thanks Ray W2RS for the above information]

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New Year's Weekend - AO73 / FUNcube-1 Happy Holiday Mode

AO73/FUNcube-1 is now operating in full time transponder mode and
will continue in this mode until the evening of Wednesday? 3rd
January 2018.

Please enjoy the transponder during this happy holiday period!

Season's greetings from the whole FUNcube team.

[ANS thanks Graham, G3VZV for the above information]

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New Year's Weekend - AMSAT Office Closed For Holiday

The AMSAT Office is closed from Friday, Dec 22 - Friday, Jan 5th.
Please check the website (amsat.org) for information.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS and a VERY HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR.

[ANS thanks Martha for the above information

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KB1LQC's Faraday RF Blog Describes the Development of the AO-91 MPPT

Bryce Salmi, KB1LQC, writes about the development and successful
launch and deployment of the Maximum Power Point Tracker (MPPT)
designed by himself and Brent Salmi, KB1LQD. The design started
as a senior design project at the Rochester Institute of Techno-
logy.

Bryce wrote, "The story of the Fox-1 MPPT is a great example of
how amateur radio is what you want it to be. The MPPT symbolizes
the vast nature of amateur radio which spans far beyond just com-
municating over the airwaves."

Continuing, "The Maximum Power Point Tracker has no radio inside
of it yet it is profoundly amateur radio. It?s sole purpose is to
enable scientific and ham radio payloads on-board the spacecraft.
Amateur radio is about learning, having fun, and applying techno-
logy to accomplish great things. Let?s explore this side of the
hobby!"

Follow the rest of the blog, the MPPT, with photos and videos at:
https://faradayrf.com/ham-radio-is-about-more-than-radios-amsat/

[ANS thanks Bryce Salmi, KB1LQC for the above information]

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Fernando, NP4JV Completes Satellite Contact With All 488 CONUS Grids

Congratulations are due to Fernando, NP4JV, for completing
satellite contacts with all 488 Maidenhead grids in the contin-
ental United States. His December 28, 2017 contact with Ken,
VE3HLS in grid FN65 on XW-2B completed Fernando's quest. Ken
was mobile on his trip to to New Brunswick. The satellite was
at 2? elevation when the contact was completed.

Fernando wrote on amsat-bb, "I would like to publicly express
my gratitude to Ken for going out of his way to help bring down
the "white whale", and? last grid needed in the 488 CONUS."

Continuing, "I want to also thank all the satellite operators
that made this possible. All credit goes to them! Extra thanks
to all those who travelled and helped with multiple grid squares.
This has been a fun and exciting 2 years and 3 months of opera-
ting Ham Radio Satellites."

Fernando compiled a list of the stations contacted which can
found on the archived copy of his original posting:
http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2017-December/066053.html

[ANS thanks and congratulates Fernando, NP4JV for the above information]

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KA9Q AMSAT Archive Updated With Phase 3-B/Oscar-10 Documents

Phil Karn, KA9Q, wrote on amsat-bb that he has been scanning and
categorizing his stacks of paper files. He's been working on old
AMSAT documents from the early 1980s. Phil says, "I have a good
pile of stuff on Phase 3-B/Oscar-10 that might be of interest to
the old-timers among you (and maybe of archeological interest to
others)".

He will be placing these documents in raw form on his personal
website. There's no index or HTML framing at the moment, but
hopefully the file names are at least slightly descriptive.

Phil advises to watch: http://www.ka9q.net/amsat/Oscar-10
Phil's AMSAT Newsletter archives can be accessed on his website:
http://www.ka9q.net/newsletters.html

[ANS thanks Phil Karn, KA9Q for the above information]

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Volunteer Opportunity - Openings for News Service Rotating Editor

If you're open to volunteering to help AMSAT this is your chance!
We have openings for a few volunteers willing to help as an AMSAT
News Service editor.

Our editors work on a rotating schedule with each taking turns as
the current week's news editor. Using input received from members,
the amateur radio community, officers, plus our other editors your
job is to assemble the AMSAT News Service bulletin for your week.
(Template is provided to help you format the message.)

If you can help contact our Senior News Service Editor, Lee McLamb,
KT4TZ via his e-mail: kt4tz at amsat.org

[ANS thanks the AMSAT News Service for the above information]

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The ARRL International Grid Chase Includes Satellite Contacts

Beginning at 0000 UTC on January 1, 2018, the ARRL International
Grid Chase kicks off. The objective is simple: Work stations in
as many grid squares as possible and upload your log data to
ARRL's Logbook of The World. Visit the ARRL Grid Chase web page
at: http://www.arrl.org/international-grid-chase-2018

(If you are not currently registered with Logbook of The World,
this is a good reason to get started. Go to
https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/getting-started/. Registration
and uploading are free.)

Every new grid square contact confirmed through Logbook of The
World counts toward your monthly total, which begins when you
ring in the New Year.

Just turn on your radio and start calling "CQ Grid Chase," or
listen for others doing the same. Make the contact, enter it
into your log, and you're on to your next QSO.

At the end of each month, your totals on the Grid Chase leader
board will reset to zero. Fear not, though. The online scoring
system will maintain your monthly totals for a grand total at
the end of the year, when an annual summary will be released
and awards given to top finishers in various categories.

The ARRL International Grid Chase is open to all amateurs, regard-
less of location or license class. Any operating mode is eligible
as well as every band, except 60 meters. You'll find the complete
rules at www.arrl.org/aigc2018.

Any contact can count for your Chase score; it doesn't have to
involve an exchange of grid squares. As long as other operators
participate with Logbook of The World, you'll get the credit
automatically when they upload their logs. This means that contest
contacts will count, as will contacts with special-event stations,
or any other on-air activity. As long as stations upload their
logs to Logbook of The World, you're good.

Satellite contacts count. Contacts made through earthbound repeaters
do not count for the Grid Chase, but repeaters in outer space are
the exception. This includes all low-orbiting satellites that
support CW, SSB, and even FM contacts.

[ANS thanks the ARRL for the above information]

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NASA/JPL is Testing Combined Deployable Solar Cell & Antenna Panel

After cargo ship Cygnus OA-8E (SS Gene Cernan) was unberthed from the
Unity module of the ISS on December 5 it continued in orbit to release
cubesats and perform additional testing. On December 6 Cygnus raised
its orbit from 402 x 407 km to 447 x 456 km. It then deployed 14 cube-
sats on December 6 and 7. Cygnus was deorbited on December 18, with
entry over the South Pacific.

One of the cubesats deployed from Cygnus was the NASA/JPL Integrated
Solar Array and Reflectarray Antenna (ISARA) mission to demonstrate a
reflectarray antenna that increases downlink data rates for CubeSats
from the existing baseline rate of 9.6 kilobits per second (kbps) to
more than 100 megabits per second (Mbps).

The reflectarray antenna consists of three panels, electrically tied
together through hinges, which have an array of printed circuit board
patches on them. The size of the patches are adjusted so that the phase
of the reflected feed illumination collimates the radiation in much
the same way a parabolic dish reflector would. Unlike a parabolic
dish, however, the reflectarray panels are flat, which enables them
to be folded down against the CubeSat. On the opposite side of the
printed reflectarray antenna, solar cells have been added.

Additional information and illustration can be found on the web:
Jet Propulsion Labs ISARA page:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/cubesat/missions/isara.php
NASA ISARA page:
http://tinyurl.com/ANS-365-NASA-ISARA-Project
NASA ISARA PDF data sheet
http://tinyurl.com/ANS-365-ISARA-PDF

[ANS thanks Jonathan's Space Report No. 743, NASA, and Jet Propulsion Labs
for the above information]

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Philippines? Diwata-2 Microsat to Include Amateur Radio Transponder

The IARU frequency coordination pages show that the Diwata-2 team
have applied for amateur radio frequency coordination:

http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/formal_detail.php?serialnum=593

Diwata-2 is the Philippines? second microsatellite designed
and developed by Filipino scientists and engineers under
the PHL-Microsat Program. They describe their program at:

http://phl-microsat.upd.edu.ph/diwata2

Diwata-2 is a 50x50x50 cm microsatellite with estimated mass
of 50kg. It features two deployable systems - solar array
panels and amateur radio antennas.

Diwata-2 will carry optical payloads that will support the
following objectives:
+ Determining the extent of damages from disasters
+ Monitoring natural and cultural heritage sites
+ Monitoring changes in vegetation
+ Observing cloud patterns and weather disturbances

These paylaods will use non-amateur S and X Band frequencies.
In addition to these optical payloads, Diwata-2 will also
carry an amateur radio unit. This payload is intended to pro-
mote awareness and interest in amateur radios and satellite
technology in the country. It is also intends to provide an
alternative means of communication at times of disasters and
emergencies.

Diwata-2 is proposing a U/V FM transponder with APRS and CW
beacon. Planning a launch from Tanegashima, Japan into a 613km
polar orbit in Q2 2018.

[ANS thanks the IARU and the PHL-Microsat Program for the above information]

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IARU Coordination Completed for DreamSat for ISS Deployment in 2019

The Dream Satellite Project plans to develop and deploy a 1U cube-
sat from the ISS in 2019. The structure and bus system of this sat-
ellite consists of the OPUSAT-Kit, which is developed based on Osaka
Prefecture University?s OPUSAT CubeSat, manufactured by NISSIN Co.,
Ltd.

The Dream Satellite Project will develop the mission system:
+ Provide amateur radio mailbox service
+ Provide QSL service
+ Store and forward message operations

A downlink at 145.860 MHz and UHF uplink have been coordinated.
DreamSat has not yet announced their UHF uplink frequency. Data
formats include CW, AFSK 1k2 packet and GMSK 9k6 packet.

The DreamSat webpage: http://faspia.or.jp/
Planned for deployment from the ISS during Q1 2019.

The IARU coordination information can be viewed at:
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=590

[ANS thanks the IARU and Katsuya Shibata, JJ1GPJ for the above information]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ Bryce, KB1LQC, at faradayrf.com and AMSAT volunteer designer has
 ? a new entry in his blog https://faradayrf.com/antenna-every-pot/
 ? Bryce discusses the effects of ITAR over the years and shows a
 ? really neat segment from a 1996 show which aired on the Discovery
 ? network about the construction of antennas for AO-40. This is quite
 ? a find ... you're going to like this one folks ...

+ The U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine
 ? has published a document on Agenda Items of Interest to the Science
 ? Services at the World Radiocommunication Conference 2019. The docu-
 ? ment addresses potential threats to the Radio Astronomy Service and
 ? Earth Exploration-Satellite Service. (A word search of the document
 ? does not reveal specific menition of amateur radio or amateur satel-
 ? lite.) Among the many frequency ranges mentioned are 45 MHz, 24 GHz,
 ? 47 GHz. Download document as "Guest" at:
 ? https://www.nap.edu/download/24899 (via W4ART and Southgate)

+ Pierros Papadeas, SV1QVE gave this presentation on December 29
 ? about the LibreSpace_Fnd UPSat Open Source satellite to the Chaos
 ? Communication Congress in Leipzig:
 ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZRB4Qpg9s
 ? Nikos Roussos gives an overview of the LibreSpace_Fnd SatNOGS project,
 ? a network of satellite ground station around the world:
 ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiMXW6URg0U

+ How Many New Year?s Eves Will NOAA?s Satellites Celebrate?
 ? http://tinyurl.com/ANS-365-NOAA-NewYear

+ An ARISS School Contact with the Higher National School of Computer
 ? Science and Systems Analysis (ENSIAS), Rabat, Morocco, Wed 2018-01-03
 ? 13:52:42 is planned to be streamed on-line at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVrHxxZ5pCvF-6I2O1-wgqQ/live

+ Peter Parker, VK3YE, has published two excellent introductions
 ? to amateur satellites videos. Peter describes his two-part video
 ? demonstration as, "A new amateur satellite has just gone up and
 ? it's super easy to work. You just need a pair of handhelds on
 ? 2m & 70cm FM. Watch these videos to find out how to make contacts
 ? through AO91 with equipment you probably already have."
 ? Part 1 - https://youtu.be/astteV2umOg
 ? Part 2 - https://youtu.be/XNB7Nc4HFYs

+ 6O6O from Somalia - Operators Ken, LA7GIA and Adrian, KO8SCA will
 ? be active as 6O6O from Somalia between January 3-16th, 2018. This
 ? will be an HF DXpedition but they invite amateur radio operators
 ? worldwide to participate in a humanitarian portion of their trip.
 ? Both Ken and Adrian will pay for all the DXpedition expenses. All
 ? money raised during the DXpedition will go to the not-for-profit
 ? Doctors Without Borders. They have also set up a dedicated PayPal
 ? address for these donations 6o6o at la7gia.com. Closing date for
 ? donations is February 1st, 2018, when donations will be wire
 ? transferred to Doctors Without Borders.

+ Visit https://www.smallsat.org/ to find information on the 2018
 ? SmallSat Conference August 4-9, 2018 at Utah State University.
 ? The theme this year is "Delivering Mission Success".

+ Terry, ZL2BAC, posted plans and photos of his 3 element 2M yagi
 ? antenna he made from old TV antenna parts in his junk box. Terry
 ? wrote, "It seems to work well on AO-91. If anyone is interested,
 ? see the details at:" http://tinyurl.com/ANS-365-ZL2BAC-Antenna

+ The AMSAT Station and Operating Hints page has been updated.
 ? 1) The Fox Operating Guide has been updated for 2018. This is
 ???? in color, designed to print two-sided. A low-resolution
 ?? ? PDF for e-mailing or screen viewing; and, a high-resolution
 ???? PDF is available for high quality printing.
 ? 2) A copy of the I8CVS Antenna Polarization Switching article
 ???? from the AMSAT Journal was added after many expressed interest
 ?? ? in obtaining a copy.
 ???? See: https://www.amsat.org/station-and-operating-hints/

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/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73 and Happy New Year,
This week's ANS Editor,
JoAnne Maenpaa, K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat dot org


-- 
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org


From zl2bjo at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 10:13:42 2017
From: zl2bjo at gmail.com (Selwyn Cathcart)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 23:13:42 +1300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?
In-Reply-To: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
References: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
Message-ID: <008401d38220$0c692ca0$253b85e0$@gmail.com>

WiMo 432 & 144 crossed Yagi and quads are work at look.

https://www.wimo.com/xquad-antennas_e.html

https://www.wimo.com/yagi-antennas-wimo_e.html

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of wa7dxz via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:06 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?


I want to upgrade my ant system, I don't mind spending some $,,, but before
I waste $,,, any recommendations,, I will be able to do az and
elevationBobWa7dxzPhoenix

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
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From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sun Dec 31 13:42:45 2017
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 08:42:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?
In-Reply-To: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
References: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
Message-ID: <183001d3823d$3dca9960$b95fcc20$@mindspring.com>

The M2 LEOpack are pretty popular and there is a substantial discount when
ordered via the AMSAT website.

https://www.amsat.org/product/m2-leo-pack-antenna-system/

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of wa7dxz via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:06 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?


I want to upgrade my ant system, I don't mind spending some $,,, but before
I waste $,,, any recommendations,, I will be able to do az and
elevationBobWa7dxzPhoenix

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
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Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Dec 31 17:38:46 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:38:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?utf-8?q?GOLF-TEE_=2415=2C000_Matching_Funds_Presiden?=
	=?utf-8?b?dOKAmXMgQ2hhbGxlbmdl?=
Message-ID: <CABzOSOoZxYieXXycBcsa23ihLUDNjnnYEvV0fmrguU3gDH4ekw@mail.gmail.com>

For those who didn't read ANS this week (though everyone should be
reading it weekly :) )

GOLF-TEE $15,000 Matching Funds President?s Challenge

In October 2017 AMSAT announced the GOLF (Greater Orbit, Larger
Footprint) program. The first project of the GOLF program is a
technology demonstrator named GOLF-TEE (Technology Evaluation
Environment). The design is a 3U CubeSat with deployable solar panels,
ADAC (attitude
determination and control), Software Defined Radio (SDR) Transponder,
and a Vanderbilt University Low Energy Proton (LEP) experiment. Now is
the time to begin work on the GOLF-TEE Project.

At the end of 2017, AMSAT has generous offers from two AMSAT Past
Presidents for matching funds up to $15,000 for those that contribute
to the GOLF-TEE campaign at:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=STK27W4G9RMLC
(Shortened URL without linewrap:
http://tinyurl.com/ANS-365-PayPal-GOLF-Donation ) between now and
February 15th. Make your donation twice as valuable by taking
advantage of this opportunity and contributing, and help AMSAT fund
the launch of the next series of satellites of the GOLF program. There
are also donate buttons for GOLF-TEE on the AMSAT website. Planning is
for a
launch in 2019.

Donations of $100 and $1,000 or more will be eligible for a special
AMSAT GOLF premium. (Both premiums are currently being designed, so
please be patient awaiting delivery.)

AMSAT is a 501-(c)-(3) not-for-profit educational and scientific
organization of amateur radio operators whose purpose is to design,
construct, launch, and operate satellites in space and to provide the
support needed to encourage amateurs to utilize these resources.
Please consider a tax-deductible contribution to AMSAT to help
underwrite the development and launch expenses of our GOLF satellite
program.

Donors wishing to provide additional matching funds please contact Joe
Spier, K6WAO, at k6wao at amsat.org.

(ANS thanks AMSAT-NA for the above information)

From lanekg at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 20:54:36 2017
From: lanekg at gmail.com (Greg Lane)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 14:54:36 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: N4KGL EL79 ARRL Grid Chase New Years Day
	Activation
Message-ID: <CAKBWdLpAuh5PCx=YtyYyNvW3FZC8chKfEB4cOM2UuLA=d0fUVg@mail.gmail.com>

New times and two passes. Times are UTC

SO-50 Pass 1616
HF Ops Start 1700
HF Ops End 1900
AO-91 Pass 1915

Happy New Year.

Greg N4KGL

>
>
>
>

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 21:17:48 2017
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:17:48 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] 19th annual Ham Radio University Includes Satellite
	Presentation
Message-ID: <5a4953fb.d90c6b0a.73152.91e4@mx.google.com>

Passing this news along so that word gets out before the next ANS bulletin
news cycle ...

-----

The 19th annual Ham Radio University (HRU) will be held Next Saturday,
January 6, 2018 from 7:30 am to 3:30 pm at the LIU / Post - Hillwood Commons
Student Center, 720 Northern Boulevard, Brookville, NY 11548.
 
W2JV, Peter, AMSAT NY Area Coordinator will be presenting "Getting Started
with the Amateur Satellites", the forum is scheduled for 9 AM.  In addition,
weather permitting, he will be on a few satellite passes.
 
Presented in cooperation with LIU / Post public radio station WCWP 88.1FM,
HRU 2018 will once again offer more than two dozen informational forums and
two hands-on workshops, as well as a VE session for all levels of Amateur
Radio license exams.
 
Complete details can be found on the HRU website: www.HamRadioUniversity.org
 
If you have any questions, e-mail: W2JV at AMSAT.org
 
We look forward to seeing you there!
 
73, Peter W2JV




From ka3hsw at att.net  Sun Dec 31 22:15:38 2017
From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:15:38 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?
In-Reply-To: <008401d38220$0c692ca0$253b85e0$@gmail.com>
References: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org>
	<008401d38220$0c692ca0$253b85e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D87E93715D194952927FF366B63AD1F4@RadioRoomPC>

I wish WiMO had a U.S. distributor...


KA3HSW

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Selwyn
Cathcart
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:14 AM
To: 'wa7dxz'
Cc: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?

WiMo 432 & 144 crossed Yagi and quads are work at look.

https://www.wimo.com/xquad-antennas_e.html

https://www.wimo.com/yagi-antennas-wimo_e.html

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of wa7dxz via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:06 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?


I want to upgrade my ant system, I don't mind spending some $,,, but before
I waste $,,, any recommendations,, I will be able to do az and
elevationBobWa7dxzPhoenix




From scott23192 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 22:27:02 2017
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 17:27:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?
In-Reply-To: <D87E93715D194952927FF366B63AD1F4@RadioRoomPC>
References: <20171230230603.437E48369@lansing182.amsat.org><008401d38220$0c692ca0$253b85e0$@gmail.com>
	<D87E93715D194952927FF366B63AD1F4@RadioRoomPC>
Message-ID: <88FFF0E3854C4929A21C2558E021CC2A@CSI9020>

>>> I wish WiMO had a U.S. distributor...

I don't recall exactly how long it took, but when I ordered X-Quads from 
them, the items arrived in a very reasonable amount of time.

Happy New Year to everyone!

-Scott,  K4KDR


===========================


-----Original Message----- 
From: George Henry
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 5:15 PM
To: 'AMSAT BB SAT'
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?

I wish WiMO had a U.S. distributor...


KA3HSW

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Selwyn
Cathcart
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:14 AM
To: 'wa7dxz'
Cc: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?

WiMo 432 & 144 crossed Yagi and quads are work at look.

https://www.wimo.com/xquad-antennas_e.html

https://www.wimo.com/yagi-antennas-wimo_e.html


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From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of wa7dxz via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:06 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Most popular sat antenna system?


I want to upgrade my ant system, I don't mind spending some $,,, but before
I waste $,,, any recommendations,, I will be able to do az and
elevation

BobWa7dxzPhoenix