[amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

[kg5jup]

I am too tall to be a troll.  This has however gotten out of hand a long time ago.  Sean great work on the suggestions for good practices they are super helpful for a new operator like myself.  

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-------- Original message --------From: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com> Date: 12/13/17  15:26  (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>, AMSAT Mailing List <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators 
Then go back to HF or repeaters or whatever and stop trolling us. Getting tired of getting these stupid emails from you fighting with everyone over petty nonsense, enjoy the satellites and hobby however you damn well please and feel free to ignore any advice.
73,GabeAL6D/VE6NJH
On Dec 13, 2017 12:23 PM, "kg5jup" <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:
Really what you are saying is the DXers count.  I abhore clickes especially those driven by adolensce mentalities.  





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-------- Original message --------From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com> Date: 12/13/17  14:49  (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> Cc: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

That’s the thing about best practices when applied to just about anything, it’s something rarely voted on. Instead, best practices tend to come from empirical evidence.



Sean has proven himself to be successful on sats. Like others have pointed out, I’ve worked him as both sides of the DX. His methods described are proven and isn’t a matter of opinion. When it comes down to things such as operating best practices then the less opinions (votes) the better because most aren’t qualified.





Sean presented a guide and those that we elected at AMSAT thought it was well worth posting. We should be glad they didn’t wait around to get every unqualified opinion on the matter.



73,

Mike Diehl

W8LID



> On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:11, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Hello there!  I am one of the ones you speak of and my only issue was how the suvesstions were presented and that someone can just post to AMSAT site with out a vote or discussion. 

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> -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net> Date: 12/13/17  12:20  (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

>  Beginning and Experienced Operators

> Dave,

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> Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.

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> Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving

> or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care

> that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing

> these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.

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> Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting

> to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy

> with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that

> are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?

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> Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of

> the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would

> wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.

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> Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do

> some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when

> someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating

> Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that

> volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!

>

> 73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!!  de Bob K8BL  (AMSAT #6593)

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> From: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>

> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM

> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators

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> Christopher,

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> I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you

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> actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I

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> don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying

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> it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since

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> 2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not

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> trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who

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> has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX

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> side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and

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> other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too.  If

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> that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what

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> you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.

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> Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back

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> and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated

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> 20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM

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> passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for

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> avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly

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> why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy

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> towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one

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> am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put

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> some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to

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> the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra

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> class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.

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>

> -Dave, KG5CCI

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> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup <kg5jup at gmail.com> wrote:

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>> I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not

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>> input.  I am a paying member I had no input.  Honest feel like a handful of

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>> individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when

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>> convent and whine when they don't get their way.

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>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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>> -------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <

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>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17  21:48  (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <

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>> waisean at gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]

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>> FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for

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>>   Beginning and Experienced Operators

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