[amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots

[Devin L. Ganger]

Concur with AF6EP. Doing electronic ballots is inexpensive. Doing them *correctly* is not.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Eric Fort
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:55 PM
> To: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>
> Cc: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac at w5pfg.us>; AMSAT Mailing List
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>; Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
> 
> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts
> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper ballot
> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and
> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and
> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then separated
> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the
> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity
> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers
> and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact thing. Do
> the research.  Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
> 
> Eric
> Af6ep
> 
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> 
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure as
> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
> voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient, you can
> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
> >
> > Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the
> elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike Diehl
> > W8LID
> >
> >> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <eric.fort.listmail at fortconsulting.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack the
> vote”.   It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >> Af6ep
> >>
> >> Sent using SMTP.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
> <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
> >>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two
> >>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that
> >>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting
> >>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and prevent
> >>> some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Gabe
> >>> AL6D/VE6NJH
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
> <tasmac at w5pfg.us> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
> >>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July
> >>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots
> >>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.
> >>>>
> >>>> New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on
> >>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
> >>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
> >>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
> >>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
> >>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
> >>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
> >>>>
> >>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
> >>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two
> >>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
> votes received.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>> Clayton
> >>>> W5PFG
> >>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
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