[amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots

[Gabriel Zeifman]

Does AMSAT maintain a printing press and envelope factory to produce the
current mailings? I think the solution is called "contracting" and I am
aware that there are companies that offer such services at a reasonable
cost.

73,
Gabe
AL6D/VE6NJH

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 4:53 AM E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm at gmail.com> wrote:

> What would the upfront cost of setting up electronic voting? It seems to
> me that it would be analogous to Solar electricity. Higher end, up front
> cost verses “free” power down the road.
> If you are advocating the change are you willing to invest your own time
> energy and perhaps $$$ to reduce the cost to AMSAT? After all can a cash
> strapped organization afford $10k or higher solution right now, even for
> lower cost in the future?
> Regardless this will not be an overnight solution. Like building a
> satellite it will require planning and deadlines and engineering, both
> software and social.
> I personally like the idea on online voting. I also like the idea of
> electronic delivery of the Journal, but we have found even that is a bit
> more complicated and costly than one might think.
>
> 73
> EMike
>
>
> EMike McCardel, AA8EM
> Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:11 AM, Devin L. Ganger <devin at thecabal.org> wrote:
> >
> > Concur with AF6EP. Doing electronic ballots is inexpensive. Doing them
> *correctly* is not.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
> > email: devin at thecabal.org
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> > cell: +1 425.239.2575
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Eric Fort
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:55 PM
> >> To: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <tasmac at w5pfg.us>; AMSAT Mailing List
> >> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>; Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
> >>
> >> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
> >> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only
> casts
> >> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the
> paper ballot
> >> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and
> >> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one
> and
> >> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then
> separated
> >> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In
> the
> >> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity
> >> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire
> papers
> >> and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact
> thing. Do
> >> the research.  Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >> Af6ep
> >>
> >> Sent using SMTP.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more,
> secure as
> >> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
> >> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options
> to a
> >> voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient,
> you can
> >> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
> >> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
> >>>
> >>> Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the
> >> elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Mike Diehl
> >>> W8LID
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <
> eric.fort.listmail at fortconsulting.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack
> the
> >> vote”.   It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
> >> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>> Af6ep
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent using SMTP.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
> >> <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
> >>>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two
> >>>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that
> >>>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting
> >>>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and prevent
> >>>>> some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73,
> >>>>> Gabe
> >>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
> >> <tasmac at w5pfg.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
> >>>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July
> >>>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots
> >>>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on
> >>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
> >>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
> >>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
> >>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
> >>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
> >>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
> >>>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two
> >>>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
> >> votes received.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73,
> >>>>>> Clayton
> >>>>>> W5PFG
> >>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
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