From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  1 00:08:31 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 00:08:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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 BRILLIANT!? Way to go, Michelle!? The potential here is astounding.? We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!

Ev, W2EV

    On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.?

DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign. 

I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.?

-Michelle W5NYV




On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

?This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained RX and TX systems.

Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just restating you).
That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2 downlink.? Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
Interesting thought experiment, though.
Ev



? ? On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 

?Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.

Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
intermediate step.

Great question and discussion.

-Michelle W5NYV

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> Brad Smith KC9UQR
> <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this could
> be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>
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From skristof at etczone.com  Thu Aug  1 00:40:52 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:40:52 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
Message-ID: <b1b9ed8062d4dec33728608a7b9cfdc2@etczone.com>

Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
me? 

Steve AI9IN

From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Aug  1 00:48:49 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:48:49 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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I think there is some work going on at the moment. Some software upgrades
are necessary as we prepare to deploy some much-needed enhancements over
the next month or so.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:41 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
> me?
>
> Steve AI9IN
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From skristof at etczone.com  Thu Aug  1 00:56:07 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:56:07 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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Thank you for the update! 

A couple more questions for the group. Is the downlink for BO-101
(CAS-7B) 435.600 MHz? Is a tone needed for the uplink? 

Steve AI9IN

On 2019-07-31 8:48 pm, Paul Stoetzer wrote:

> I think there is some work going on at the moment. Some software upgrades are necessary as we prepare to deploy some much-needed enhancements over the next month or so.  
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Paul, N8HM 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:41 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote: 
> 
>> Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
>> me? 
>> 
>> Steve AI9IN
>> _______________________________________________
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Aug  1 01:02:32 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:02:32 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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BO-102 downlink is 435.690 MHz. No tone is needed on the uplink, but the
receiver seems to be a little insensitive. With 30 watts, I struggled to
get in except at higher elevations, but your mileage may vary.

By the way, the website instability is due to a software upgrade.
Everything seems functional, if a bit slow. However, the Updates section
with recent posts seems to not be populating at the moment.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:58 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Thank you for the update!
>
> A couple more questions for the group. Is the downlink for BO-101
> (CAS-7B) 435.600 MHz? Is a tone needed for the uplink?
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
> On 2019-07-31 8:48 pm, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>
> > I think there is some work going on at the moment. Some software
> upgrades are necessary as we prepare to deploy some much-needed
> enhancements over the next month or so.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul, N8HM
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:41 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
> >> me?
> >>
> >> Steve AI9IN
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From ka3hdo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 01:21:30 2019
From: ka3hdo at gmail.com (ka3hdo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:21:30 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Challenge
Message-ID: <0a1f01d54807$732bd100$59837300$@gmail.com>

All,

 

Many of you probably were not at Hamvention when we announced this at the
ARISS forum and the AMSAT forum, but if you want a *real* challenge, AMSAT
and ARISS are working on the design of a ham radio system for the Lunar
Gateway.  

 

To make this happen we are leveraging the work and expertise of the
world-wide AMSAT organizations and the international ARISS community in this
endeavor.  We have an international team working this and are meeting 2x a
month to mature the concept.  In May we presented our solid concept to NASA
and got great, positive feedback.  This was followed up a few weeks later at
the ARISS-I meeting at the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) in Montreal where we
received great feedback from the CSA Gateway Program Manager after he saw
our presentation.

 

The AREx (Amateur Radio Exploration) team have done some really good work.
The challenge for each of you will be on the order of a 30 dB signal path
loss as compared to LEO.  But the link margins on our design seem to close.

 

I just wanted you all to know that AMSAT NA, UK & DL and ARISS-together--are
working this phenomenal ham radio challenge.  Come to the AMSAT-NA Symposium
in DC to hear more. 

 

73,  Frank Bauer, KA3HDO

ARISS International Chair

AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs 

 

-----------------

 

From: Michael <mat_62 at charter.net <mailto:mat_62 at charter.net> >

To: amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org> 

Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's,

              AMSAT perception)

Message-ID: <a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9 at charter.net
<mailto:a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9 at charter.net> >

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

 

Just from the outside looking in...

 

AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and 

PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats 

with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good 

but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".? I wanted a new 

challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a 

station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc. 

with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system. 

Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the 

Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider 

buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but 

that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently 

bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I 

spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me 

motivation.

 

Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking 

in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something, 

anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a 

YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.? Her 

candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm 

no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If 

AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change 

perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who 

feel the way I do.

 

73,

 

Michael, W4HIJ

 

 

 

--------------------------------------------

Frank H. Bauer

FBauer Aerospace Consulting Services (FB-ACS)

Phone:  301-804-0173 

Cell:  301-873-0890

NASA E-mail:   <mailto:Frank.Bauer at nasa.gov> Frank.Bauer at nasa.gov

FB-ACS E-mail:   <mailto:fhbauer at verizon.net> fbaueraerospace at gmail.com

 


From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  1 01:54:04 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 01:54:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Challenge
In-Reply-To: <0a1f01d54807$732bd100$59837300$@gmail.com>
References: <0a1f01d54807$732bd100$59837300$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <870669925.588825.1564624444577@mail.yahoo.com>

That sounds GREAT!!!
Are there any plans for an APRS digipeater on the moon?
I am happy to help and will plan to attend your upcoming events.
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 06:23:23 PM PDT, Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 All,

 

Many of you probably were not at Hamvention when we announced this at the
ARISS forum and the AMSAT forum, but if you want a *real* challenge, AMSAT
and ARISS are working on the design of a ham radio system for the Lunar
Gateway.? 

 

To make this happen we are leveraging the work and expertise of the
world-wide AMSAT organizations and the international ARISS community in this
endeavor.? We have an international team working this and are meeting 2x a
month to mature the concept.? In May we presented our solid concept to NASA
and got great, positive feedback.? This was followed up a few weeks later at
the ARISS-I meeting at the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) in Montreal where we
received great feedback from the CSA Gateway Program Manager after he saw
our presentation.

 

The AREx (Amateur Radio Exploration) team have done some really good work.
The challenge for each of you will be on the order of a 30 dB signal path
loss as compared to LEO.? But the link margins on our design seem to close.

 

I just wanted you all to know that AMSAT NA, UK & DL and ARISS-together--are
working this phenomenal ham radio challenge.? Come to the AMSAT-NA Symposium
in DC to hear more. 

 

73,? Frank Bauer, KA3HDO

ARISS International Chair

AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs 

 

-----------------

 

From: Michael <mat_62 at charter.net <mailto:mat_62 at charter.net> >

To: amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org> 

Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's,

? ? ? ? ? ? ? AMSAT perception)

Message-ID: <a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9 at charter.net
<mailto:a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9 at charter.net> >

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

 

Just from the outside looking in...

 

AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and 

PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats 

with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good 

but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".? I wanted a new 

challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a 

station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc. 

with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system. 

Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the 

Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider 

buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but 

that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently 

bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I 

spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me 

motivation.

 

Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking 

in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something, 

anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a 

YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.? Her 

candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm 

no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If 

AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change 

perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who 

feel the way I do.

 

73,

 

Michael, W4HIJ

 

 

 

--------------------------------------------

Frank H. Bauer

FBauer Aerospace Consulting Services (FB-ACS)

Phone:? 301-804-0173 

Cell:? 301-873-0890

NASA E-mail:? <mailto:Frank.Bauer at nasa.gov> Frank.Bauer at nasa.gov

FB-ACS E-mail:? <mailto:fhbauer at verizon.net> fbaueraerospace at gmail.com

 

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From mat_62 at charter.net  Thu Aug  1 01:56:37 2019
From: mat_62 at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:56:37 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Just expanding on my previous thoughts about AMSAT
	perception....
Message-ID: <598ce4d3-4774-805c-5a03-df2e461e3181@charter.net>

 ?Expanding on my previous thoughts pasted at bottom...

It seems to me that the 'easy" thing has run it's course. Again, just 
one mans opinion but I think if you had some sort of setup outside a 
hamfest with a card table and a folding chair, a sat rig and an Arduino 
based rotator controller running off a laptop or I-pad and antennas on a 
"WRAPS" ( I think?) type tripod tracking both Azimuth and Elevation, 
you'd attract the more technically savvy hams. Probably more youth too. 
I know in my model railroading hobby that the fact we can now run trains 
with a smart phone is a big draw. Back in the day, on the not so great 
passes, I would sometimes fire up the shack computer and my BASIC STAMP 
based Sabretrack homebrew rotor controller and walk outside and watch my 
old surplus OR-360 TV rotators moving my homebrew antennas to track the 
sat across the sky. To me there was a certain "coolness factor" in that 
which can't be matched by the guy holding the antenna in his hand and 
waving it about. In fact, my whole idea in buying the beat up telescope 
tripod was to sit outside at a table with a couple of HT's and my old 
notebook computer driving? the thing with a couple of light weight 
antennas on board. Yes, I know that I don't necessarily need to track 
elevation with an LEO but watching the antennas track both is awesome to 
me. I think we miss the boat sometimes by constantly harping on and 
touting the "easy" aspect of it. Sometimes complex and high tech is more 
attractive. Digital modes, SDR and computers have made HF radio hi tech 
and cool again, at least for me, yet the sat hobby seems to be bending 
over backwards to over simplify and make things BORRRING! Even model 
railroads are computer controlled these days! It doesn't have to be 
super expensive either. An Arduino and some DC motors and gears can be 
had for less than the cost of a meal for four at Mickey D's. All my 
OR-360's were was Mabuchi style hobby motors hooked to a gear train. You 
controlled direction by switching polarity of 12VDC sent up the line and 
they had position pot feedback. EasyComm format for AZ/EL. But hey, what 
do I know, I've only been in this hobby forty one years. Just my opinion 
anyway. That and five bucks will get you a "Venti" designer coffee at 
Starbucks.

73,

Michael, W4HIJ

Just from the outside looking in...

AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".  I wanted a new
challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
motivation.

Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.  Her
candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
feel the way I do.


From kb2ysi at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 02:38:54 2019
From: kb2ysi at gmail.com (Don KB2YSI)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:38:54 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Radio chest pack
In-Reply-To: <CAEahN0+oDjamwD1+x-TizXe47MXcRzUZoaUQVrY6og-2scyO4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEahN0LYJH1qCP+3RVoXJU49qM7RBcnVBv4j+ezUETGVFsyMPg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEahN0+oDjamwD1+x-TizXe47MXcRzUZoaUQVrY6og-2scyO4A@mail.gmail.com>
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The link did not come through, do you have the item title or can you
attempt to send the link again?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 17:06 Roger - W7TZ via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Holy cow, I had no idea. I don't need one myself. I came across one in the
> Daily Deal and thought I'd share the info. My apologies.
>
> 73, Roger
> W7TZ
> CN83ia
> Grid Busters
> w7tz.webs.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:54 PM Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > So which one did you pick????   Over 3 dozen entries show up when you
> > search Amazon.  You didn't provide a link so we are left guessing which
> one
> > you like.
> >
> > Jeff Moore   --   KE7ACY
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:16 PM Roger - W7TZ via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Recently someone asked about radio packs. I just discovered these on
> > Amazon
> > > reg $23 on sale for $18.69 and free shipping with Prime.
> > > Tactical Chest Rig, Heavy Duty Radio Chest Harness
> > >
> > > 73, Roger
> > > W7TZ
> > > CN83ia
> > > Grid Busters
> > > w7tz.webs.com
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
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From ve3hls at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 05:59:02 2019
From: ve3hls at gmail.com (Kenneth P Alexander)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 12:59:02 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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"DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "

Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?

Ken (still VE3HLS)
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:  bueng-ken.com

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>  BRILLIANT!  Way to go, Michelle!  The potential here is astounding.
> We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!
>
> Ev, W2EV
>
>     On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <
> mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
>
> DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
> partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
>
> I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>  This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
> Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained
> RX and TX systems.
>
> Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the
> downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just
> restating you).
> That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we
> are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2
> downlink.  Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also
> need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
> Interesting thought experiment, though.
> Ev
>
>
>
>     On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
> then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
> source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
>
> Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
> internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
> intermediate step.
>
> Great question and discussion.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> > sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> > Brad Smith KC9UQR
> > <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> > soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this
> could
> > be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
> >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > expressed
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> > AMSAT-NA.
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From ve3hls at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 06:14:57 2019
From: ve3hls at gmail.com (Kenneth P Alexander)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:14:57 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Just expanding on my previous thoughts about AMSAT
	perception....
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Hi Michael,

I don't see anything wrong with "easy".  Easy gets people to try new
things.  I never dreamed I would get into satellites until I read I could
hear them with my HT and rubber duck.  If not for that I probably wouldn't
have followed up and got on FM satellites with a D72 and then linear
satellites with a pair of FT-817s.

My circumstances demanded that I operate portable, swinging an Arrow
antenna around.

Only now, a few years later, am I at the stage where I'm thinking "yeah, it
would be cool to do this and that with an Arduino".  Luckily, I'm retired
and now have the time to (slowly) learn how to program one.

My point is if people see that some new aspect of amateur radio is actually
easy to get into they're more likely to give it a try.  Then they'll see
the opportunities to use neat tech to make the experience better.  That's
how I see things happening.

73,

Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:  bueng-ken.com

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 08:58 Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>   Expanding on my previous thoughts pasted at bottom...
>
> It seems to me that the 'easy" thing has run it's course. Again, just
> one mans opinion but I think if you had some sort of setup outside a
> hamfest with a card table and a folding chair, a sat rig and an Arduino
> based rotator controller running off a laptop or I-pad and antennas on a
> "WRAPS" ( I think?) type tripod tracking both Azimuth and Elevation,
> you'd attract the more technically savvy hams. Probably more youth too.
> I know in my model railroading hobby that the fact we can now run trains
> with a smart phone is a big draw. Back in the day, on the not so great
> passes, I would sometimes fire up the shack computer and my BASIC STAMP
> based Sabretrack homebrew rotor controller and walk outside and watch my
> old surplus OR-360 TV rotators moving my homebrew antennas to track the
> sat across the sky. To me there was a certain "coolness factor" in that
> which can't be matched by the guy holding the antenna in his hand and
> waving it about. In fact, my whole idea in buying the beat up telescope
> tripod was to sit outside at a table with a couple of HT's and my old
> notebook computer driving  the thing with a couple of light weight
> antennas on board. Yes, I know that I don't necessarily need to track
> elevation with an LEO but watching the antennas track both is awesome to
> me. I think we miss the boat sometimes by constantly harping on and
> touting the "easy" aspect of it. Sometimes complex and high tech is more
> attractive. Digital modes, SDR and computers have made HF radio hi tech
> and cool again, at least for me, yet the sat hobby seems to be bending
> over backwards to over simplify and make things BORRRING! Even model
> railroads are computer controlled these days! It doesn't have to be
> super expensive either. An Arduino and some DC motors and gears can be
> had for less than the cost of a meal for four at Mickey D's. All my
> OR-360's were was Mabuchi style hobby motors hooked to a gear train. You
> controlled direction by switching polarity of 12VDC sent up the line and
> they had position pot feedback. EasyComm format for AZ/EL. But hey, what
> do I know, I've only been in this hobby forty one years. Just my opinion
> anyway. That and five bucks will get you a "Venti" designer coffee at
> Starbucks.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
> Just from the outside looking in...
>
> AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
> PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
> with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
> but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".  I wanted a new
> challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
> station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
> with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
> Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
> Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
> buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
> that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
> bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
> spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
> motivation.
>
> Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
> in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
> anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
> YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.  Her
> candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
> no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
> AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
> perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
> feel the way I do.
>
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From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  1 10:34:19 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:34:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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 It isn't even a proposal yet, Ken (Michelle said, "I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.").? Give it time to "bake". Lol.
"Go, Michelle.? Go!" :-)

Ev, W2EV


    On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 1:59:18 AM EDT, Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 "DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?

Ken (still VE3HLS)
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:? bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

?BRILLIANT!? Way to go, Michelle!? The potential here is astounding.? We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!

Ev, W2EV

? ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:? 

?I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.?

DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign. 

I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.?

-Michelle W5NYV




On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

?This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained RX and TX systems.

Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just restating you).
That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2 downlink.? Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
Interesting thought experiment, though.
Ev



? ? On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 

?Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.

Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
intermediate step.

Great question and discussion.

-Michelle W5NYV

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> Brad Smith KC9UQR
> <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this could
> be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From pgoodhall at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 10:43:40 2019
From: pgoodhall at gmail.com (Peter Goodhall)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:43:40 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
In-Reply-To: <CAPOM0dmHp6o9bSXuMXz=1W7uEoejOhOxsQvO66hBQBjOScRtaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1621668855.927.1564516988262@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CACvjz2XGtX8WssdbUVJT3y0j=p=yGSvxaxDhkMdp5KY8Bx5-CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2040269993.129241.1564570297258@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ken,

Based on the specs you quoted above your email "can you use the ft-818 and
arrow"

The simple and honest answer is no, it would require different equipment
likely SDR based on microwave frequencies.

73

Peter, 2M0SQL


On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, 07:00 Kenneth P Alexander via AMSAT-BB, <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> "DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
>
> Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?
>
> Ken (still VE3HLS)
> So Phisai, Thailand
> Blog:  bueng-ken.com
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >  BRILLIANT!  Way to go, Michelle!  The potential here is astounding.
> > We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!
> >
> > Ev, W2EV
> >
> >     On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <
> > mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
> >
> > DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
> > partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
> >
> > I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
> >
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >  This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
> > Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been
> self-contained
> > RX and TX systems.
> >
> > Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the
> > downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands
> (just
> > restating you).
> > That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we
> > are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2
> > downlink.  Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also
> > need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
> > Interesting thought experiment, though.
> > Ev
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a
> downlink,
> > then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to
> open
> > source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
> >
> > Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
> > internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
> > intermediate step.
> >
> > Great question and discussion.
> >
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working
> the
> > > sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> > > Brad Smith KC9UQR
> > > <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could
> we
> > > soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this
> > could
> > > be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
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> > >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > expressed
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From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  1 10:45:11 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:45:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Challenge
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    On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 9:23:26 PM EDT, Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  

I just wanted you all to know that AMSAT NA, UK & DL and ARISS-together--are
working this phenomenal ham radio challenge.? Come to the AMSAT-NA Symposium
in DC to hear more. 


.....

This one sure captures one's imagination, Frank!? That's a component missing from LEO's and something that motivates folks.? Nicely done, "Team AMSAT"!


Is this a "self contained" project or do you anticipate that there will be "holes" that will need to be filled by folks who are not presently involved?? Asked differently, is there likely to be a need to support the effort through the "Bacon's Law" approach of finding enthusiasts with additional skills, resources or contacts?


Ev, W2EV
  

From ve3hls at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 11:22:46 2019
From: ve3hls at gmail.com (Kenneth P Alexander)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:22:46 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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Thanks Peter!  That's all I was interested in.  I'm not sure how Ev managed
to misinterpret my question.  I thought it was straightforward.

73,

Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:  bueng-ken.com


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:43 AM Peter Goodhall <pgoodhall at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Based on the specs you quoted above your email "can you use the ft-818 and
> arrow"
>
> The simple and honest answer is no, it would require different equipment
> likely SDR based on microwave frequencies.
>
> 73
>
> Peter, 2M0SQL
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, 07:00 Kenneth P Alexander via AMSAT-BB, <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> "DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
>>
>> Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?
>>
>> Ken (still VE3HLS)
>> So Phisai, Thailand
>> Blog:  bueng-ken.com
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  BRILLIANT!  Way to go, Michelle!  The potential here is astounding.
>> > We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!
>> >
>> > Ev, W2EV
>> >
>> >     On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <
>> > mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >  I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
>> >
>> > DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
>> > partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
>> >
>> > I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
>> >
>> > -Michelle W5NYV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >  This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
>> > Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been
>> self-contained
>> > RX and TX systems.
>> >
>> > Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the
>> > downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands
>> (just
>> > restating you).
>> > That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we
>> > are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the
>> DVB-S2
>> > downlink.  Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would
>> also
>> > need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host
>> system.
>> > Interesting thought experiment, though.
>> > Ev
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
>> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a
>> downlink,
>> > then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to
>> open
>> > source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
>> >
>> > Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
>> > internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
>> > intermediate step.
>> >
>> > Great question and discussion.
>> >
>> > -Michelle W5NYV
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working
>> the
>> > > sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
>> > > Brad Smith KC9UQR
>> > > <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could
>> we
>> > > soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this
>> > could
>> > > be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>> > >
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From nss at mwt.net  Thu Aug  1 13:27:03 2019
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:27:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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Wasn't there at one time like in the late 70's early 80's some Sat owner 
(was on those giant big 12 foot dishes type of birds) that actually let 
amateurs have radio shows on one channel every now and then?? I'm sure I 
remember Ham shows on those birds Like Channel 22 vertical polarization etc.

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
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On 8/1/2019 5:34 AM, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>   It isn't even a proposal yet, Ken (Michelle said, "I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.").? Give it time to "bake". Lol.
> "Go, Michelle.? Go!" :-)
>
> Ev, W2EV
>
>
>      On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 1:59:18 AM EDT, Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>   "DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
> Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?
>
> Ken (still VE3HLS)
> So Phisai, Thailand
> Blog:? bueng-ken.com
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  ?BRILLIANT!? Way to go, Michelle!? The potential here is astounding.? We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!
>
> Ev, W2EV
>
>  ? ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  ?I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
>
> DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
>
> I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  ?This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
> Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained RX and TX systems.
>
> Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just restating you).
> That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2 downlink.? Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
> Interesting thought experiment, though.
> Ev
>
>
>
>  ? ? On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  ?Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
> then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
> source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
>
> Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
> internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
> intermediate step.
>
> Great question and discussion.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
>> sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
>> Brad Smith KC9UQR
>> <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
>> soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this could
>> be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
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From mat_62 at charter.net  Thu Aug  1 14:29:24 2019
From: mat_62 at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:29:24 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Just expanding on my previous thoughts about AMSAT
 perception....
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I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think, 
as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you 
going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna 
exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on 
by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" It's the same ole, same 
ole. I see an Arrow antenna sitting on a tripod, seemingly alive, 
autonomously tracking a sat in Azimuth and Elevation while the operator 
is busy making contacts, I'm going to stop because that's exciting! My 
whole point in my post is to try and get AMSAT to do something, 
anything, different. They need something new to excite the masses. 
Judging by the response here, it won't happen. That's OK, not everyone 
is going to see things the same way. I just know what I see and that's 
an organization that is stuck in the mud and spinning it's wheels, 
becoming more irrelevant by the day. I doubt my constructive criticism 
will be received well. It never has been in the past. Another reason I'm 
no longer a member. They don't seem to listen very well. I wish I had 
the technical expertise to bring some of my ideas to fruition but I 
don't. I can follow a circuit diagram and put together projects where 
someone else has done the engineering but I can't engineer them myself. 
I often wonder why someone hasn't come up with simple, relatively 
inexpensive computer driven SDR XCVRS for satellite work. They seem a 
natural progression from dongles like the Funcube but nothing like that 
exist that I'm aware of. I'd lap up kits like that.

I believe Michelle is the YL I was speaking of earlier. She certainly 
seems like a breath of fresh air. AMSAT needs more of her. People who 
aren't satisfied to rest on past laurels and just maintain the status 
quo. I'm about to go work some DX with my SDR that is based around an 
Arduino and it's open source PowerSDR interface that is based on a 
Raspberry Pi. Now that's exciting!

73,

Michael, W4HIJ

On 8/1/2019 2:14 AM, Kenneth P Alexander wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I don't see anything wrong with "easy".? Easy gets people to try new 
> things.? I never dreamed I would get into satellites until I read I 
> could hear them with my HT and rubber duck.? If not for that I 
> probably wouldn't have followed up and got on FM satellites with a D72 
> and then linear satellites with a pair of FT-817s.
>
> My circumstances demanded that I operate portable, swinging an Arrow 
> antenna around.
>
> Only now, a few years later, am I at the stage where I'm thinking 
> "yeah, it would be cool to do this and that with an Arduino".? 
> Luckily, I'm retired and now have the time to (slowly) learn how to 
> program one.
>
> My point is if people see that some new aspect of amateur radio is 
> actually easy to get into they're more likely to give it a try.? Then 
> they'll see the opportunities to use neat tech to make the experience 
> better.? That's how I see things happening.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
> So Phisai, Thailand
> Blog: bueng-ken.com <http://bueng-ken.com>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 08:58 Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org 
> <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>> wrote:
>
>     ??Expanding on my previous thoughts pasted at bottom...
>
>     It seems to me that the 'easy" thing has run it's course. Again, just
>     one mans opinion but I think if you had some sort of setup outside a
>     hamfest with a card table and a folding chair, a sat rig and an
>     Arduino
>     based rotator controller running off a laptop or I-pad and
>     antennas on a
>     "WRAPS" ( I think?) type tripod tracking both Azimuth and Elevation,
>     you'd attract the more technically savvy hams. Probably more youth
>     too.
>     I know in my model railroading hobby that the fact we can now run
>     trains
>     with a smart phone is a big draw. Back in the day, on the not so
>     great
>     passes, I would sometimes fire up the shack computer and my BASIC
>     STAMP
>     based Sabretrack homebrew rotor controller and walk outside and
>     watch my
>     old surplus OR-360 TV rotators moving my homebrew antennas to
>     track the
>     sat across the sky. To me there was a certain "coolness factor" in
>     that
>     which can't be matched by the guy holding the antenna in his hand and
>     waving it about. In fact, my whole idea in buying the beat up
>     telescope
>     tripod was to sit outside at a table with a couple of HT's and my old
>     notebook computer driving? the thing with a couple of light weight
>     antennas on board. Yes, I know that I don't necessarily need to track
>     elevation with an LEO but watching the antennas track both is
>     awesome to
>     me. I think we miss the boat sometimes by constantly harping on and
>     touting the "easy" aspect of it. Sometimes complex and high tech
>     is more
>     attractive. Digital modes, SDR and computers have made HF radio hi
>     tech
>     and cool again, at least for me, yet the sat hobby seems to be
>     bending
>     over backwards to over simplify and make things BORRRING! Even model
>     railroads are computer controlled these days! It doesn't have to be
>     super expensive either. An Arduino and some DC motors and gears
>     can be
>     had for less than the cost of a meal for four at Mickey D's. All my
>     OR-360's were was Mabuchi style hobby motors hooked to a gear
>     train. You
>     controlled direction by switching polarity of 12VDC sent up the
>     line and
>     they had position pot feedback. EasyComm format for AZ/EL. But
>     hey, what
>     do I know, I've only been in this hobby forty one years. Just my
>     opinion
>     anyway. That and five bucks will get you a "Venti" designer coffee at
>     Starbucks.
>
>     73,
>
>     Michael, W4HIJ
>
>     Just from the outside looking in...
>
>     AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
>     PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
>     with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
>     but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".? I wanted
>     a new
>     challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
>     station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
>     with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
>     Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
>     Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes
>     consider
>     buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
>     that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even
>     recently
>     bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod
>     system I
>     spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to
>     give me
>     motivation.
>
>     Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
>     in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
>     anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
>     YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.? Her
>     candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air
>     but I'm
>     no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
>     AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to
>     change
>     perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
>     feel the way I do.
>
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 14:41:30 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:41:30 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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The concept of using the Internet for A/V uplink isn't really new.
Skype has been used by hams to deliver computer mike audio to remote HF stations for years.
The concept was described as the Internet becoming an "extension of the microphone cord."
Just so, Skype (or your A/V app of choice) could be used to deliver video to to the sat service uplink station.
The Internet becoming "an extension of the video camera cord."
To take this idea a bit further, since there is no ham frequency RF involved for the uplink at least, the sender might not even have to be a licensed ham.
Any school, college or club could immediately start building a ground station from scratch or from COTS parts.
Even cheap Chinese satellite TV top boxes have been used for QO-100 DATV reception.
This would certainly enlarge the client base for the use of such a GEO ham system.
More money to pay the rent...

Bernard,
KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Wasn't there at one time like in the late 70's early 80's some Sat owner (was on those giant big 12 foot dishes type of birds) that actually let amateurs have radio shows on one channel every now and then?  I'm sure I remember Ham shows on those birds Like Channel 22 vertical polarization etc.
> 
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>> On 8/1/2019 5:34 AM, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>  It isn't even a proposal yet, Ken (Michelle said, "I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.").  Give it time to "bake". Lol.
>> "Go, Michelle.  Go!" :-)
>> 
>> Ev, W2EV
>> 
>> 
>>     On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 1:59:18 AM EDT, Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls at gmail.com> wrote:
>>    "DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
>> Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?
>> 
>> Ken (still VE3HLS)
>> So Phisai, Thailand
>> Blog:  bueng-ken.com
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  BRILLIANT!  Way to go, Michelle!  The potential here is astounding.  We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!
>> 
>> Ev, W2EV
>> 
>>     On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
>> 
>> DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
>> 
>> I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
>> 
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
>> Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained RX and TX systems.
>> 
>> Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just restating you).
>> That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2 downlink.  Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
>> Interesting thought experiment, though.
>> Ev
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
>> then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
>> source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
>> 
>> Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
>> internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
>> intermediate step.
>> 
>> Great question and discussion.
>> 
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
>>> sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
>>> Brad Smith KC9UQR
>>> <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
>>> soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this could
>>> be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>>> 
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From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 15:13:07 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:13:07 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates
Message-ID: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>

These are the Satellite APRS Packets provided in July 2019 per Callsign +
SSID. I am always curious about station setup: antenna, radio, TNC, iGate
software, altitude, location, etc. I have been considering reaching out to
each operator to gather specs.

This topic might make a neat article for AmSat, ARRL, or similar magazine.

1459 YF1ZQA-10
1071 KG4PID-14
1030 N6DAN-2
1013 EA8BQD
1008 N6DAN-1
957 VK5ATN-3
778 VK6HAM-2
662 VK2TV-4
587 PY5LF-10
507 NH6Y-2
442 W0ARP-15
363 KK4NAM
352 KC5ILO-12
325 DM0AI-10
322 W7KKE-13
310 ON7EQ-10
305 OK2KOJ-14
289 OE4ENU-2
262 K4KDR-15
246 CU2ZG-1
231 N6BA-10
223 HS3LSE-11
207 W0ARP-1
201 SV3CIX-1
183 T2SPAIN2

73

Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 16:02:27 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 12:02:27 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Very interesting podcast about satcom security.
Message-ID: <8727D844-47B8-4923-9953-746E3FD755B7@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I came upon this very interesting podcast about communications satellite security since the 1980's.
It runs for about 19 minutes, is fairly recent, and is very informative.
Surely today, these communications satellites are more security protected than what is described in the podcast ?
Let's all be careful with the design of such a ham radio system.
Security has to be integrated.

Listen to "Satcom crackdown. After the show."
https://toppodcast.com/podcast_feeds/signals-everywhere-after-the-show/

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Thu Aug  1 18:07:27 2019
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (Ray Soifer)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:07:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] W3XO
References: <1280430455.945510.1564682847754.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1280430455.945510.1564682847754@mail.yahoo.com>

You probably knew this already, but I just learned that Bill Tynan's call sign, W3XO, has been issued to the Hill Country Amateur Radio Club of Kerrville, Texas, as a memorial.? Bill was a leading member and past president of the club, to which I belonged when I lived in nearby Fredericksburg, TX.
73 Ray W2RS

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug  1 18:17:56 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (David Jordan)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:17:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] W3XO
In-Reply-To: <1280430455.945510.1564682847754@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1280430455.945510.1564682847754.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1280430455.945510.1564682847754@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6F52365D40B8F154.10912ef2-5b3f-46e2-81c7-3f1b761bdf93@mail.outlook.com>

This is very nice to hear Ray.


Thank you for sharing this.




Dave, AA4KN 


ARISS PR 




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On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:08 PM -0400, "Ray Soifer via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:










You probably knew this already, but I just learned that Bill Tynan's call sign, W3XO, has been issued to the Hill Country Amateur Radio Club of Kerrville, Texas, as a memorial.? Bill was a leading member and past president of the club, to which I belonged when I lived in nearby Fredericksburg, TX.
73 Ray W2RS
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Thu Aug  1 18:24:51 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 14:24:51 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
	USNAP1)
Message-ID: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>

Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.

Bob

From corlissbs at aol.com  Thu Aug  1 18:31:07 2019
From: corlissbs at aol.com (Brad Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
References: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@mail.yahoo.com>

<I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gives me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR


From w5rkn at w5rkn.com  Thu Aug  1 18:34:59 2019
From: w5rkn at w5rkn.com (Ronald G. Parsons)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:34:59 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards-Endorsements for July 2019
Message-ID: <722A7D24E3C8475FA2362BBD9323D4D2@Ron8300PC>

Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite Awards issued by the ARRL for the period July 1, 2019 through August 1, 2019. Congratulations to all those who made the list this month! 

CALL                 01Jul     01Aug AA8CH 550 584 
      WD9EWK 567 575 
      NS3L 475 505 
      JOHN C DYER ??? 442 
      K9UO 400 425 
      W5TD 381 384 
      KE8FZT 325 350 
      K5IX 300 325 
      PS8ET 211 275 
      WW8W 201 228 
      AB1OC 184 215 
      KJ4EU 151 206 
      AA4QE 102 204 
      N7EGY 169 200 
      ND0C 153 200 
      PR8KW         New 200 
      LW2DAF 125 130 
      KC9VGG 102 127 
      KC9UQR New 113 
      XE2YWH New 102 
      K5ZM New 101 
      N4QX New 100 

If you are ?John C Dyer?, please contact ARRL Awards Desk to correct your record.QRZ.COM has no listing for that name. If you find errors or omissions. please contact me off-list at <mycall>@<mycall>.com and I'll revise the announcement. This list was developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf listings for the two months. It's a visual comparison so omissions are possible. Apologies if your call was not mentioned. 

Thanks to all those who are roving to grids that are rarely on the birds. They are doing most of the work!

Ron W5RKN

From bruninga at usna.edu  Thu Aug  1 18:41:51 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 14:41:51 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates
In-Reply-To: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e16299acc0615410097da4be7f14cd@mail.gmail.com>

YES!
All SATGATE owners, Lets fill in this list!  Try to use simple consistent
language where possible.
Such as OMNI or auto-AZ/EL or AZ, 13 dBi (gain), then Doppler TUnning if
Applicable..  Use the word MULTI if the station QSY frequencies to track
multiple satllites on multiple frequencies.

I'd love to see the big split between fully automatied AZ/EL tracking
/tuning, and simply a fixed Omni

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of KE6BLR Robert via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:13 AM
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates

These are the Satellite APRS Packets provided in July 2019 per Callsign +
SSID. I am always curious about station setup: antenna, radio, TNC, iGate
software, altitude, location, etc. I have been considering reaching out to
each operator to gather specs.

This topic might make a neat article for AmSat, ARRL, or similar magazine.

1459 YF1ZQA-10
1071 KG4PID-14
1030 N6DAN-2
1013 EA8BQD
1008 N6DAN-1
957 VK5ATN-3
778 VK6HAM-2
662 VK2TV-4
587 PY5LF-10
507 NH6Y-2
442 W0ARP-15
363 KK4NAM
352 KC5ILO-12
325 DM0AI-10
322 W7KKE-13
310 ON7EQ-10
305 OK2KOJ-14
289 OE4ENU-2
262 K4KDR-15
246 CU2ZG-1
231 N6BA-10
223 HS3LSE-11
207 W0ARP-1
201 SV3CIX-1
183 T2SPAIN2

73

Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration _______________________________________________
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From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 18:47:48 2019
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:47:48 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
 USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8f92f569-958e-038c-a0db-9391ba3b98ff@gmail.com>

Hi Bob,

So, what is the final determination for the satellite's catalog numbers?

Greg  KO6TH


Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
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From w5rkn at w5rkn.com  Thu Aug  1 18:48:40 2019
From: w5rkn at w5rkn.com (Ronald G. Parsons)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:48:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards-Endorsements for July 2019 -- Reformatted
Message-ID: <285E1E8A533F42BCA8F5A3A702CE4E72@Ron8300PC>

Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite Awards issued by the ARRL for the period July 1, 2019 through August 1, 2019. Congratulations to all those who made the list this month! 

CALL    01Jul  01Aug 
AA8CH    550    584 
WD9EWK   567    575 
NS3L     475    505 
JOHN C DYER ??? 442 
K9UO     400    425 
W5TD     381    384 
KE8FZT   325    350 
K5IX     300    325 
PS8ET    211    275 
WW8W     201    228 
AB1OC    184    215 
KJ4EU    151    206 
AA4QE    102    204 
N7EGY    169    200 
ND0C     153    200 
PR8KW    New    200 
LW2DAF   125    130 
KC9VGG   102    127 
KC9UQR   New    113 
XE2YWH   New    102 
K5ZM     New    101 
N4QX     New    100 

If you are ?John C Dyer?, please contact ARRL Awards Desk to correct your record.QRZ.COM has no listing for that name. 

If you find errors or omissions. please contact me off-list at <mycall>@<mycall>.com and I'll revise the announcement. This list was developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf listings for the two months. It's a visual comparison so omissions are possible. Apologies if your call was not mentioned. Thanks to all those who are roving to grids that are rarely on the birds. They are doing most of the work! 

Ron W5RKN

From bruninga at usna.edu  Thu Aug  1 18:49:03 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 14:49:03 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
	USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <8f92f569-958e-038c-a0db-9391ba3b98ff@gmail.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8f92f569-958e-038c-a0db-9391ba3b98ff@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09924d78229d9a1585a9dff0fa19aa99@mail.gmail.com>

44354 is PSAT2 and 44355 is BRICSAT2 (aka USNAP1)

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:48 PM
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2
(aka USNAP1)

Hi Bob,

So, what is the final determination for the satellite's catalog numbers?

Greg  KO6TH


Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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program!
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From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug  1 18:49:38 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:49:38 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
In-Reply-To: <2AF4FADA-D980-4B20-B7E1-4EC94D76198E@gmail.com>
References: <1621668855.927.1564516988262.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1621668855.927.1564516988262@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CACvjz2XGtX8WssdbUVJT3y0j=p=yGSvxaxDhkMdp5KY8Bx5-CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2040269993.129241.1564570297258@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CACvjz2Wpi8Nb7efckA_a_9H4DrssuQYhuJ_-FL579-cDv1fJrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<785003090.363324.1564618111386@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPOM0dmHp6o9bSXuMXz=1W7uEoejOhOxsQvO66hBQBjOScRtaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1775694644.74287.1564655659756@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0cd01e9c-1f5c-7393-09ea-f974262aadd7@mwt.net>
	<2AF4FADA-D980-4B20-B7E1-4EC94D76198E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b98642c-cd44-d517-c143-3498d03e50f7@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-01 09:41, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> To take this idea a bit further, since there is no ham frequency RF involved for the uplink at least, the sender might not even have to be a licensed ham.

I'm no lawyer, but this seems to be violating the spirit of amateur 
radio. You're proposing an Internet to RF gateway where anyone could 
connect and cause their "third party communications" (97.115) to be 
transmitted to the satellite and then relayed back down to an earth station?

I this case, who is the control operator (97.7)? I think that's where 
your plan breaks down, and why things like Echolink are only open to 
licensed amateurs.

Unfortunately, the removal of the "experience required" and Morse code 
testing has generated a large number of $25-Beofeng-never-made-a-contact 
Extras. If one can't be bothered to memorize the answers to a pitifully 
small test pool, one doesn't belong on amateur frequencies.

</mini-rant>

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From marty.schuette at siu.edu  Thu Aug  1 18:58:18 2019
From: marty.schuette at siu.edu (Schuette, Martin A)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:58:18 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards-Endorsements for July 2019
In-Reply-To: <722A7D24E3C8475FA2362BBD9323D4D2@Ron8300PC>
References: <722A7D24E3C8475FA2362BBD9323D4D2@Ron8300PC>
Message-ID: <421a2dbe-19dc-480c-ba1f-940a7e29ed7c@email.android.com>

John C Dyer is AE5B. I just checked and this issue also shows up in the Fred Fish Memorial Award Standings.

Not sure how this happened, but then again, some earners of VUCC are still missing from the standings entirety, including OH5LK who was satellite VUCC #1 from what I recall.

73,

Marty Schuette N9EAT.

On Aug 1, 2019 13:35, "Ronald G. Parsons via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
[WARNING: EXTERNAL SENDER]
This email is from outside SIU and the sender may not match the person in the ?From? field. Do not click links or open attachments unless you verify that the content is safe.

Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite Awards issued by the ARRL for the period July 1, 2019 through August 1, 2019. Congratulations to all those who made the list this month!

CALL                 01Jul     01Aug AA8CH 550 584
      WD9EWK 567 575
      NS3L 475 505
      JOHN C DYER ??? 442
      K9UO 400 425
      W5TD 381 384
      KE8FZT 325 350
      K5IX 300 325
      PS8ET 211 275
      WW8W 201 228
      AB1OC 184 215
      KJ4EU 151 206
      AA4QE 102 204
      N7EGY 169 200
      ND0C 153 200
      PR8KW         New 200
      LW2DAF 125 130
      KC9VGG 102 127
      KC9UQR New 113
      XE2YWH New 102
      K5ZM New 101
      N4QX New 100

If you are ?John C Dyer?, please contact ARRL Awards Desk to correct your record.QRZ.COM has no listing for that name. If you find errors or omissions. please contact me off-list at <mycall>@<mycall>.com and I'll revise the announcement. This list was developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf listings for the two months. It's a visual comparison so omissions are possible. Apologies if your call was not mentioned.

Thanks to all those who are roving to grids that are rarely on the birds. They are doing most of the work!

Ron W5RKN
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
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From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug  1 19:13:19 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 15:13:19 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS SSTV event commemorating Owen Garriott achievements
Message-ID: <94A71431D4FD4669A2543F5BAAFC3A61@DHJ>

I just received two images commemorating Owen Garriott's achievements in space from the scheduled SSTV event. Audio was good and strong!!

Dave, AA4KN
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From spatrickfay at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 19:20:25 2019
From: spatrickfay at gmail.com (sean fay)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 14:20:25 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Very interesting podcast about satcom security.
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Oh my goodness

This podcast is so sensationalized with the sound effects and the voice
actors playing anonymized informants

Military communications satelittes are probably more security protected
today but there is no difference between these satellites and a ham radio
satellite
Uplink goes in, downlink goes out.

Provided the people in brazil have 2m / 70cm radios they could start using
ham satellites unlicensed.

Sean
AA0AN


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:03 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> I came upon this very interesting podcast about communications satellite
> security since the 1980's.
> It runs for about 19 minutes, is fairly recent, and is very informative.
> Surely today, these communications satellites are more security protected
> than what is described in the podcast ?
> Let's all be careful with the design of such a ham radio system.
> Security has to be integrated.
>
> Listen to "Satcom crackdown. After the show."
> https://toppodcast.com/podcast_feeds/signals-everywhere-after-the-show/
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  1 21:25:03 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 21:25:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates
In-Reply-To: <18e16299acc0615410097da4be7f14cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<18e16299acc0615410097da4be7f14cd@mail.gmail.com>
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Request for Comments: here is a proposed Survey, this includes Bob's requested questions; are there any other questions to ask?

*** Sample Survey Questions for Top 25 SatGates ***
1) Which Radio do you use:????a) Make:?? ? b) Model:
? ? c) Volume:
? ? c) Squelch (y/n):
? ? d) Attenuation (y/n):
? ? e) FM Wide or FM Narrow:

2) Which TNC do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:

3) Which iGate do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:
? ? c) Internet Connection Speed:

4) Which Antenna do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:
? ? c) Type: Yagi[Element Count]/Egg Beater/Vertical/Helical/Other
? ? d) Polarization: Vertical/Horizontal/Circular Left/Circular Right
? ? c) dBi:
? ? d) Height of Tower:

5) Which Cable do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:
? ? c) Length:
? ? d) Connector Type(s) (BNC/PL259/NMO):

4) Which Pre-Amp do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:
? ? c) dBi:
? ? d) Mounted next to Antenna or next to Radio?

5) Which Rotator System do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:
? ? c) None / Azimuth + Elevation / Azimuth Only

 6) Which Rotator Guidance System do you use:? ? a) Make:
? ? b) Model:
? ? c) None

7) Which Additional Frequencies do you support:? ? a) Doppler Shift (y/n)
? ? b) 144.390 MHz (y/n)
? ? c) Other:

8) Which speeds do you support:? ? a) 1200
? ? b) 9600
? ? c) Other:

9) Experience Factor? ? a) What year did you start iGating 145.825 MHz?
? ? b) What tips & tricks have you learned by trial and error?? ? c)?What is your Secret Sauce??

***
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 11:43:59 AM PDT, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 YES!
All SATGATE owners, Lets fill in this list!? Try to use simple consistent
language where possible.
Such as OMNI or auto-AZ/EL or AZ, 13 dBi (gain), then Doppler TUnning if
Applicable..? Use the word MULTI if the station QSY frequencies to track
multiple satllites on multiple frequencies.

I'd love to see the big split between fully automatied AZ/EL tracking
/tuning, and simply a fixed Omni

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of KE6BLR Robert via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:13 AM
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates

These are the Satellite APRS Packets provided in July 2019 per Callsign +
SSID. I am always curious about station setup: antenna, radio, TNC, iGate
software, altitude, location, etc. I have been considering reaching out to
each operator to gather specs.

This topic might make a neat article for AmSat, ARRL, or similar magazine.

1459 YF1ZQA-10
1071 KG4PID-14
1030 N6DAN-2
1013 EA8BQD
1008 N6DAN-1
957 VK5ATN-3
778 VK6HAM-2
662 VK2TV-4
587 PY5LF-10
507 NH6Y-2
442 W0ARP-15
363 KK4NAM
352 KC5ILO-12
325 DM0AI-10
322 W7KKE-13
310 ON7EQ-10
305 OK2KOJ-14
289 OE4ENU-2
262 K4KDR-15
246 CU2ZG-1
231 N6BA-10
223 HS3LSE-11
207 W0ARP-1
201 SV3CIX-1
183 T2SPAIN2

73

Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration _______________________________________________
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From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  1 21:30:36 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 21:30:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
In-Reply-To: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1624430397.216251.1564684267582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <702408045.1030327.1564695036665@mail.yahoo.com>

An antenna rotator may be overkill; but my arm gets tired holding the Arrow in one position too long.
I really like using a Tripod with a Pistol Grip for quick aiming.
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 11:32:39 AM PDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gives me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR

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From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 21:37:46 2019
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 16:37:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
In-Reply-To: <702408045.1030327.1564695036665@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1624430397.216251.1564684267582@mail.yahoo.com>
	<702408045.1030327.1564695036665@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FFA73783-B061-4AFF-B2B9-7F535212AFD2@gmail.com>

Satellites are constantly moving and spinning which requires an almost constant movement to keep the Arrow properly oriented. With the exception of AO7 and FO29, most passes are only about 10-11 minute maximum. I can?t think of a single time where I?ve held my antenna in the same position for a satellite pass. YMMV. 

Jeff WE4B

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> An antenna rotator may be overkill; but my arm gets tired holding the Arrow in one position too long.
> I really like using a Tripod with a Pistol Grip for quick aiming.
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs 
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
> 
> 
> 
>    On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 11:32:39 AM PDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
> 
> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
> as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
> going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
> exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
> by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
> There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gives me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.  Brad KC9UQR
> 
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From wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc  Fri Aug  2 00:17:54 2019
From: wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:17:54 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] W3XO
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References: <1280430455.945510.1564682847754.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1280430455.945510.1564682847754@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6F52365D40B8F154.10912ef2-5b3f-46e2-81c7-3f1b761bdf93@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxVjLYbzTfpVMVeD6H03xyGLjY7HNHo=UW6oEwwYy7m5Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent!  Thanks for passing this on!

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:19 PM David Jordan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> This is very nice to hear Ray.
>
>
> Thank you for sharing this.
>
>
>
>
> Dave, AA4KN
>
>
> ARISS PR
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:08 PM -0400, "Ray Soifer via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You probably knew this already, but I just learned that Bill Tynan's call
> sign, W3XO, has been issued to the Hill Country Amateur Radio Club of
> Kerrville, Texas, as a memorial.  Bill was a leading member and past
> president of the club, to which I belonged when I lived in nearby
> Fredericksburg, TX.
> 73 Ray W2RS
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From ae5b at ae5b.net  Fri Aug  2 01:08:42 2019
From: ae5b at ae5b.net (AE5B)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:08:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Awards-Endorsements for July 2019
In-Reply-To: <421a2dbe-19dc-480c-ba1f-940a7e29ed7c@email.android.com>
References: <722A7D24E3C8475FA2362BBD9323D4D2@Ron8300PC>
	<421a2dbe-19dc-480c-ba1f-940a7e29ed7c@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <d1d0c77b-b7bf-1a0f-48ce-7ccdb606bc6b@ae5b.net>

Something broke with my last LOTW endorsement application.? 6 meter, 2 
meter, FFMA, and Satellite all lost my callsign. I may have entered 
something wrong on the application. I've pinged the VUCC folks at HQ and 
eventually if will get fixed. No big problem as long as the FCC doesn't 
lose it. :-) LOTW DXCC endorsement application at the same time came 
through fine.? Don't worry about correcting the announcement.

John C. Dyer? alias AE5B

On 8/1/2019 1:58 PM, Schuette, Martin A via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> John C Dyer is AE5B. I just checked and this issue also shows up in the Fred Fish Memorial Award Standings.
>
> Not sure how this happened, but then again, some earners of VUCC are still missing from the standings entirety, including OH5LK who was satellite VUCC #1 from what I recall.
>
> 73,
>
> Marty Schuette N9EAT.
>
> On Aug 1, 2019 13:35, "Ronald G. Parsons via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> [WARNING: EXTERNAL SENDER]
> This email is from outside SIU and the sender may not match the person in the ?From? field. Do not click links or open attachments unless you verify that the content is safe.
>
> Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite Awards issued by the ARRL for the period July 1, 2019 through August 1, 2019. Congratulations to all those who made the list this month!
>
> CALL                 01Jul     01Aug AA8CH 550 584
>        WD9EWK 567 575
>        NS3L 475 505
>        JOHN C DYER ??? 442
>        K9UO 400 425
>        W5TD 381 384
>        KE8FZT 325 350
>        K5IX 300 325
>        PS8ET 211 275
>        WW8W 201 228
>        AB1OC 184 215
>        KJ4EU 151 206
>        AA4QE 102 204
>        N7EGY 169 200
>        ND0C 153 200
>        PR8KW         New 200
>        LW2DAF 125 130
>        KC9VGG 102 127
>        KC9UQR New 113
>        XE2YWH New 102
>        K5ZM New 101
>        N4QX New 100
>
> If you are ?John C Dyer?, please contact ARRL Awards Desk to correct your record.QRZ.COM has no listing for that name. If you find errors or omissions. please contact me off-list at <mycall>@<mycall>.com and I'll revise the announcement. This list was developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf listings for the two months. It's a visual comparison so omissions are possible. Apologies if your call was not mentioned.
>
> Thanks to all those who are roving to grids that are rarely on the birds. They are doing most of the work!
>
> Ron W5RKN
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-- 
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ARRL WAS/VUCC Card Checker
ARRL Life Member
DXCC Honor Roll
DXCC 80-6


From ka3hsw at att.net  Fri Aug  2 02:25:35 2019
From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 21:25:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates
In-Reply-To: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70606DC3EAAE4F038AC8AA9C43729180@RadioRoomPC>

Just finished building an iGate using a Raspberry Pi, RTL-SDR dongle, and an
image file from qso365.com.  Just had to configure a couple of parameters
for Direwolf and set the frequency for the SDR, and it's on the air.
Currently using an Eggbeater for the antenna.

73,
George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of KE6BLR
Robert via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:13 AM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates

These are the Satellite APRS Packets provided in July 2019 per Callsign +
SSID. I am always curious about station setup: antenna, radio, TNC, iGate
software, altitude, location, etc. I have been considering reaching out to
each operator to gather specs.

This topic might make a neat article for AmSat, ARRL, or similar magazine.

1459 YF1ZQA-10
1071 KG4PID-14
1030 N6DAN-2
1013 EA8BQD
1008 N6DAN-1
957 VK5ATN-3
778 VK6HAM-2
662 VK2TV-4
587 PY5LF-10
507 NH6Y-2
442 W0ARP-15
363 KK4NAM
352 KC5ILO-12
325 DM0AI-10
322 W7KKE-13
310 ON7EQ-10
305 OK2KOJ-14
289 OE4ENU-2
262 K4KDR-15
246 CU2ZG-1
231 N6BA-10
223 HS3LSE-11
207 W0ARP-1
201 SV3CIX-1
183 T2SPAIN2

73

Robert MacHale
 KE6BLR Ham Radio License
 http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
 Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration


From k6vug at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  2 06:44:16 2019
From: k6vug at sbcglobal.net (k6vug at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 06:44:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
In-Reply-To: <FFA73783-B061-4AFF-B2B9-7F535212AFD2@gmail.com>
References: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1624430397.216251.1564684267582@mail.yahoo.com>
	<702408045.1030327.1564695036665@mail.yahoo.com>
	<FFA73783-B061-4AFF-B2B9-7F535212AFD2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1802471304.385085.1564728256346@mail.yahoo.com>

 ?
Couple of things - 
?
There is something about satellites that attracts people's attention. Every time I have had the opportunity to setup a portable satellite station people spend the most time with me than any other hasm activity.? Actually, the time between passes is the most busy answering questions about satellites. When the pass happens, I have been often pleasantly surprised at the number of visitors congregating to watch.? 
?
The things that thrills them the most is how small these birds are and that you can be heard almost everywhere in North America.? 
?
Umesh, k6vug 
?
??
    On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 2:38:33 PM PDT, Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 Satellites are constantly moving and spinning which requires an almost constant movement to keep the Arrow properly oriented. With the exception of AO7 and FO29, most passes are only about 10-11 minute maximum. I can?t think of a single time where I?ve held my antenna in the same position for a satellite pass. YMMV. 

Jeff WE4B

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> An antenna rotator may be overkill; but my arm gets tired holding the Arrow in one position too long.
> I really like using a Tripod with a Pistol Grip for quick aiming.
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs 
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
> 
> 
> 
>? ? On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 11:32:39 AM PDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 
> 
> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
> as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
> going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
> exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
> by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
> There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gives me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
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From fmhillhouse at comcast.net  Fri Aug  2 11:07:18 2019
From: fmhillhouse at comcast.net (FM Hillhouse Jr)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:07:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
 USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>

Hi Greg,




The numbers are in this file. I? assume at this point they are correct.




http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt




Best regards, 


Fred N7FMH 




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On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:50 AM -0400, "Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:










Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.

Bob
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From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 14:51:57 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:51:57 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates
In-Reply-To: <768343025.1009850.1564694703480@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABaTVVZD6wv5t_e999nSqQkmy9isDGMKPnwE=PVPpAmOJwfpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<18e16299acc0615410097da4be7f14cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<768343025.1009850.1564694703480@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABaTVVZdtdgDndmVrDd78CEPhsNkL78xZuA4CO1xzUZprFXhuA@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, silly question, does anyone know how to find an e-mail address
for YF1ZQA from Indonesia? When I search QRZ.com there is no record on
file. He is the #1 SatGate, so I wanted to reach out to him first.

73
Robert
KE6BLR


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:26 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Request for Comments: here is a proposed Survey, this includes Bob's
> requested questions; are there any other questions to ask?
>
> *** Sample Survey Questions for Top 25 SatGates ***
> 1) Which Radio do you use:    a) Make:     b) Model:
>     c) Volume:
>     c) Squelch (y/n):
>     d) Attenuation (y/n):
>     e) FM Wide or FM Narrow:
>
> 2) Which TNC do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>
> 3) Which iGate do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>     c) Internet Connection Speed:
>
> 4) Which Antenna do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>     c) Type: Yagi[Element Count]/Egg Beater/Vertical/Helical/Other
>     d) Polarization: Vertical/Horizontal/Circular Left/Circular Right
>     c) dBi:
>     d) Height of Tower:
>
> 5) Which Cable do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>     c) Length:
>     d) Connector Type(s) (BNC/PL259/NMO):
>
> 4) Which Pre-Amp do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>     c) dBi:
>     d) Mounted next to Antenna or next to Radio?
>
> 5) Which Rotator System do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>     c) None / Azimuth + Elevation / Azimuth Only
>
>  6) Which Rotator Guidance System do you use:    a) Make:
>     b) Model:
>     c) None
>
> 7) Which Additional Frequencies do you support:    a) Doppler Shift (y/n)
>     b) 144.390 MHz (y/n)
>     c) Other:
>
> 8) Which speeds do you support:    a) 1200
>     b) 9600
>     c) Other:
>
> 9) Experience Factor    a) What year did you start iGating 145.825 MHz?
>     b) What tips & tricks have you learned by trial and error?    c) What
> is your Secret Sauce?
>
> ***
> 73
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.
> http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
>
>
>
>     On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 11:43:59 AM PDT, Robert Bruninga via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  YES!
> All SATGATE owners, Lets fill in this list!  Try to use simple consistent
> language where possible.
> Such as OMNI or auto-AZ/EL or AZ, 13 dBi (gain), then Doppler TUnning if
> Applicable..  Use the word MULTI if the station QSY frequencies to track
> multiple satllites on multiple frequencies.
>
> I'd love to see the big split between fully automatied AZ/EL tracking
> /tuning, and simply a fixed Omni
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of KE6BLR Robert via
> AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:13 AM
> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Top 25 SatGates
>
> These are the Satellite APRS Packets provided in July 2019 per Callsign +
> SSID. I am always curious about station setup: antenna, radio, TNC, iGate
> software, altitude, location, etc. I have been considering reaching out to
> each operator to gather specs.
>
> This topic might make a neat article for AmSat, ARRL, or similar magazine.
>
> 1459 YF1ZQA-10
> 1071 KG4PID-14
> 1030 N6DAN-2
> 1013 EA8BQD
> 1008 N6DAN-1
> 957 VK5ATN-3
> 778 VK6HAM-2
> 662 VK2TV-4
> 587 PY5LF-10
> 507 NH6Y-2
> 442 W0ARP-15
> 363 KK4NAM
> 352 KC5ILO-12
> 325 DM0AI-10
> 322 W7KKE-13
> 310 ON7EQ-10
> 305 OK2KOJ-14
> 289 OE4ENU-2
> 262 K4KDR-15
> 246 CU2ZG-1
> 231 N6BA-10
> 223 HS3LSE-11
> 207 W0ARP-1
> 201 SV3CIX-1
> 183 T2SPAIN2
>
> 73
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> . http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
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From rs2atmink at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  2 15:26:16 2019
From: rs2atmink at yahoo.com (Robert Switzer)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:26:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
 USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <247972389.236754.1564759576621@mail.yahoo.com>

 Does anyone know what file/source that the droid app "ISS Detector" uses? It's still only showing PSAT2 as 44357 . 2019-036-U
Rob KA2CZU

    On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:11:50 AM EDT, FM Hillhouse Jr via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Hi Greg,




The numbers are in this file. I? assume at this point they are correct.




http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt




Best regards, 


Fred N7FMH 




Get Outlook for Android







On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:50 AM -0400, "Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:










Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.

Bob
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 15:33:11 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:33:11 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
	USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <247972389.236754.1564759576621@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>
	<247972389.236754.1564759576621@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNnwoA8jay9aEdwkP7yRvQ01TpJUz=giax6-1Ur4ThcgA@mail.gmail.com>

I know it gets its frequency data from SatNOGS. The developer responds to
queries on Twitter.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 11:28 Robert Switzer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>  Does anyone know what file/source that the droid app "ISS Detector" uses?
> It's still only showing PSAT2 as 44357 . 2019-036-U
> Rob KA2CZU
>
>     On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:11:50 AM EDT, FM Hillhouse Jr via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Greg,
>
>
>
>
> The numbers are in this file. I  assume at this point they are correct.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Fred N7FMH
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:50 AM -0400, "Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB" <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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>
>
>
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From mat_62 at charter.net  Fri Aug  2 15:57:33 2019
From: mat_62 at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:57:33 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>

You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once 
did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low 
life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in 
the ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs 
to break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it 
falls on deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that 
everyone knows has no chance to come to? fruition. I'm not that 
gullible. I'll crawl back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope 
for better days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than 
becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations? don't 
make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will continue to 
withhold them till I see some change, although I won't be holding my 
breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to 
maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this 
organization. Sigh...

73,

Michael, W4HIJ


> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
> as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
> going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
> exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
> by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
> There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gi
>   ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>
>
>
>


From zmetzing at pobox.com  Fri Aug  2 16:19:32 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:19:32 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20190802161931.GA94598@monolith>

On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 11:57:33AM -0400, Michael via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to 
> maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this 
> organization. Sigh...

Michael,

I certainly see some excellent changes afoot with the GOLF program, 
which AMSAT has backronym-ed into Greater Orbit Larger Footprint. Please
do check out https://www.amsat.org/category/amsat-news/golf/ regularly
for updates.

Building, testing, and launching a satellite is a complex process -- more
complex than I would have originally suspected. The process takes time,
and AMSAT is limited by ITAR as to what it can share. Want to make a change?
Write your senators and representatives about the insane idea of considering
amateur satellites as potential space weapons!

It is easy for a challenger to claim that they'll do something amazing that
the incumbent board members haven't done. However, I'd put my money on 
actual progress, not talk. AMSAT has regularly launched LEO sats, with 
one single failure in recent history. Fox-1E will carry a linear transponder
and is the next one to go up.[1]

Push the envelope! Get ready for 5GHz up / 10GHz down, experiment with
digital modes over linear transponders using appropriate power, work on
a portable setup for new hams, or publish an article. The future is yours
to define!

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMSAT#Current_projects

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Fri Aug  2 16:21:21 2019
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:21:21 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
Message-ID: <02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>

Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?

https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Michael via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)

You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no chance to come to  fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations  don't make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this organization. Sigh...

73,

Michael, W4HIJ


> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just 
> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times 
> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? 
> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people 
> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is 
> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gi
>   ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil 
> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>
>
>
>

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From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 18:36:57 2019
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 14:36:57 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYvn20H7oEzZRJqmc99iR5_jSnGUx104HkQUbsbJ9AMA7w@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,
I like your points and ideas but with-holding donations or membership will
not help you or the organization. How can you expect to have AMSAT do
anything if they dont have your support; that it be financial, promoting
AMSAT, or even volunteer work. And yes your donations and membership do
make a difference. While your or my donations and membership by itself
isn't a lot, every members contribution little by little combined makes a
big difference to AMSAT. You also have to keep in mind times are different;
Space is mostly about making money now, its unfortunately not really about
being a "space cowboy" anymore like it was in the Phase 3 Project satellite
days. I myself also enjoy riving for a challenge and doing things in
amateur radio that haven't been done before or are uncommon to do. I do
really enjoy reading peoples ideas and thoughts on what they would like to
see happen, but keep it mind the only thing that is going to change
anything is not so much words but physical work. My physical work I mean
donating, keeping membership, possibly volunteering if you can, or even
just promoting amateur radio in space in general to the public. As for
AMSAT's current state, its been better then it ever has been before, We
have launched more satellites in recent AMSAT history then ever before. We
have a very strong presence in LEO, more so then ever before. Yes I want to
go to HEO/GEO and so does everyone else, but we must support and work with
each other for that to happen! I do believe great times are ahead for AMSAT.

All the best,
Nick KE8AKW

From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Aug  2 18:58:05 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 14:58:05 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent??? (for free - OTHERNET)
Message-ID: <23c9a0b274ce00fd93dce177da219e9b@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently they are about to release a new OTHERNET Ka band satellitie
reeiver:

"We are currently in production of the next version, which will include an
enclosure and internal antenna. It will be available for sale in about a
month."


------------Original Message-------------
From: AMSAT-BB  On Behalf Of Matthew J Wolf via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] OUTERnet becomes OTHERnet (APRS geo feed)

I gota Dreamcatcher Data Radiowhen they where on sale for $49.
I can confirm that you can replace the supplied USB WiFi NIC with the
TP-Link
TL-UE3000 USB Ethernet NIC.

I have to use a Pringles can on the LNB to get a marginalsignal, SNR
-12.5 to -14 dB. Every time it rains I have to readjustthe LNB.

I have senta few test ARPS messages from N4MTT-2 via rf to a local i-gate.
The messages then were seen on the down link via a text file.
The Skylark operating system has a "Messages" application that displays the
text file.

APRS Link can display the history of the messages sent to OUTNET,
https://aprs.link/app/aprs/stations/messages-OUTNET

I noticed the messages I sent to OUTNET did not receive a REPLY ACK.
There where duplicate messages on the down link from another SSID.
I wanted to avoid sending duplicate messages. In Xastir I canceled
the messages after the first message transmission.

I agreethatit "is a powerful capability" .

-Matt, N4MTT

------------- original message  -----------------------------
Hi Bob,

I have been watching Outernet/Othernet developments for a couple of years
and waiting for their system to stabilize (it still has not).
I bought a Dreamcatcher 3 Version 3.03 receiver in April when they dropped
the price to $49.00US.  The User Manual may be of interest:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0770/0935/files/Dreamcatcher_V_3.03_SL_5.5_User_Manual_1.pdf?6506786568900441680

Information about the current state of affairs is unfortunately scattered
throughout a number of threads in the Othernet forum.
As noted in the following thread,  Othernet is/was dumping the Dreamcatcher
3.03
 in favor of a "cost-reduced version" of the receiver:

https://forums.othernet.is/t/is-sale-price-an-omen/5974

The Dreamcatcher 3.03 uses a LoRa device for KU-band reception unlike the
older L-band receiver which was based on an RTL-SDR as noted in the this
post:

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/othernet-dreamcatcher-on-sale-for-only-49/

I am not aware of any specific information released concerning the upcoming
Othernet receiver, but it is supposed to be forthcoming soon.

The current North American downlink is about 30 kbps with 8 kbps allocated
for an audio stream (Voice of America at the moment) and the rest for files,
 including the satellite APRS transmissions. The latest kits were sold with
a bare LNB,
 but a number of users have been experimenting with adding a feedhorn to
improve reception:

https://forums.othernet.is/t/increasing-gain-with-15-degree-cone/5258

Some users are using re-purposed KU-band antennas as well.

Hope this helps.

Todd
AL0I

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent??? (for free)

Actually there is a geostationary channel that can be used by Ham Operators
that is for free.
https://othernet.is/

About 2 years ago, the APRS satellite ground station captures were made
available worldwide via three GEO satellites for reception anywhere on
earth.  But I recently found that the OUTERnet system has changed to a new
GEO satellite constellation and no longer uses INMARSAT L band satellites
but is now using a KA band downlink over the USA.  And that they are now
selling a new KA receiver kit for this satellite.

Has anyone kept up with them?
Here is my original WEB page but with the  links changed from OUTnet to
OTHERnet, but otherwise, not kept up to date.
http://aprs.org/othernet.html

If anyone has one of their receivers or is receiving the downlink and/or
wants to help me get my web page all cleaned up to what has changed over the
last two years, let me know.

This is a powerful capability.  I hope we can keep it working.

The way it is supposed to work is that you can send a specially formatted
APRS packet (position, status or message) on any APRS network (terrestrial
or satellite) and it should get parsed by the APRS-IS.  Therer it can be
captured by the OTHERNET non-profit ground station and uplinked to the APRS
channel on their satellites to the downlink that anyone can receive.
Ostensibly a ham radio volunteer global emergency backup channel.

Its round-about, but a possible play-point...

Bob, Wb4APR

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 19:28:21 2019
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:28:21 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
 USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <c839276b-5e1d-fc69-c869-865e23bc3924@gmail.com>

Thanks, Fred.  GPredict has them now, though there are now two PSAT2s in
the database (other one is 44357).  PSAT2 vs the correct PSAT-2.  Note
the dash.  One needs to do some serious hard drive spelunking to clear
out the prior information, so I'm just going to leave it there.

Greg  KO6TH


FM Hillhouse Jr via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
>
> The numbers are in this file. I  assume at this point they are correct.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt
>
>
>
>
> Best regards, 
>
>
> Fred N7FMH 
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:50 AM -0400, "Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.
>
> Bob
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From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 19:57:33 2019
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 14:57:33 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham
	Award Recipient
Message-ID: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>

Hello Alabama Section,

We have exciting news to share about our youth involvement in Amateur Radio!

This year, the ARRL Alabama Youth Committee is pleased to announce the
2019 ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award recipient. This particular Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the skies almost daily. She has a deep interest in satellite communication and loves sharing that interest with others. Her passion is evident in awards she has received, forums where she has presented, along with the activities in which she participates. 

The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to: 
Marissa Robledo W4AQT

Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in the great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge, and rapid growth in many areas of Amateur Radio and we are proud to have
her representing our hobby as this year?s Alabama Outstanding Amateur Youth! 

Please join us at the 2019 Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at 12:30pm for the formal presentation of this award to a deserving young Amateur Radio operator.  


Congratulations Marissa! Keep up the great work and fun you are creating using Amateur Radio. See you in Huntsville.

Alabama Outstanding Youth Committee wished to thank everyone for your nominations for 2019. 

Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO
Alabama Section Youth Coordinator

--------------------------------------------------------------------
ARRL Alabama Section
Section Manager: JVann Martin Sr, W4JVM
w4jvm at arrl.org
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 20:07:53 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:07:53 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth
 Ham Award Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
References: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2V8XNhQPRoThzKkUY8UFqTW0NL1VkhTG5qfS2bXwqYR6w@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Marissa! Very well deserved!

-Michelle W5NYV




On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:59 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hello Alabama Section,
>
> We have exciting news to share about our youth involvement in Amateur
> Radio!
>
> This year, the ARRL Alabama Youth Committee is pleased to announce the
> 2019 ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award recipient. This particular
> Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the skies almost daily. She has
> a deep interest in satellite communication and loves sharing that interest
> with others. Her passion is evident in awards she has received, forums
> where she has presented, along with the activities in which she
> participates.
>
> The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to:
> Marissa Robledo W4AQT
>
> Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in
> Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in the
> great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge, and rapid
> growth in many areas of Amateur Radio and we are proud to have
> her representing our hobby as this year?s Alabama Outstanding Amateur
> Youth!
>
> Please join us at the 2019 Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at
> 12:30pm for the formal presentation of this award to a deserving young
> Amateur Radio operator.
>
>
> Congratulations Marissa! Keep up the great work and fun you are creating
> using Amateur Radio. See you in Huntsville.
>
> Alabama Outstanding Youth Committee wished to thank everyone for your
> nominations for 2019.
>
> Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO
> Alabama Section Youth Coordinator
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ARRL Alabama Section
> Section Manager: JVann Martin Sr, W4JVM
> w4jvm at arrl.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From bthrelkeld at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 20:20:58 2019
From: bthrelkeld at gmail.com (Brian L. Threlkeld)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:20:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth
 Ham Award Recipient
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2V8XNhQPRoThzKkUY8UFqTW0NL1VkhTG5qfS2bXwqYR6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
	<CACvjz2V8XNhQPRoThzKkUY8UFqTW0NL1VkhTG5qfS2bXwqYR6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHbn9oB6kBQNNiHZE_tUjoBjoDvkzJpDVGXA8bnJrpV-fS=Kyw@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Marissa, Im going to try and make it to the Huntsville
hamfest and see you receive your award. maybe get a chance to meet you and
your Dad as well. Marissa you give us hope for a bright future and we are
all proud to watch you grow and succeed. Best wishes in all your future
endeavors.

VRY 73 DE KQ4MM

Brian


On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:11 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Congratulations Marissa! Very well deserved!
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:59 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Alabama Section,
> >
> > We have exciting news to share about our youth involvement in Amateur
> > Radio!
> >
> > This year, the ARRL Alabama Youth Committee is pleased to announce the
> > 2019 ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award recipient. This particular
> > Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the skies almost daily. She
> has
> > a deep interest in satellite communication and loves sharing that
> interest
> > with others. Her passion is evident in awards she has received, forums
> > where she has presented, along with the activities in which she
> > participates.
> >
> > The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to:
> > Marissa Robledo W4AQT
> >
> > Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in
> > Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in the
> > great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge, and
> rapid
> > growth in many areas of Amateur Radio and we are proud to have
> > her representing our hobby as this year?s Alabama Outstanding Amateur
> > Youth!
> >
> > Please join us at the 2019 Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at
> > 12:30pm for the formal presentation of this award to a deserving young
> > Amateur Radio operator.
> >
> >
> > Congratulations Marissa! Keep up the great work and fun you are creating
> > using Amateur Radio. See you in Huntsville.
> >
> > Alabama Outstanding Youth Committee wished to thank everyone for your
> > nominations for 2019.
> >
> > Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO
> > Alabama Section Youth Coordinator
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ARRL Alabama Section
> > Section Manager: JVann Martin Sr, W4JVM
> > w4jvm at arrl.org
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 20:23:51 2019
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:23:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth
	Ham Award Recipient
In-Reply-To: <CAHbn9oB6kBQNNiHZE_tUjoBjoDvkzJpDVGXA8bnJrpV-fS=Kyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
	<CACvjz2V8XNhQPRoThzKkUY8UFqTW0NL1VkhTG5qfS2bXwqYR6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHbn9oB6kBQNNiHZE_tUjoBjoDvkzJpDVGXA8bnJrpV-fS=Kyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41D10DFC-FB65-483E-9852-3D8B1BC20D6C@gmail.com>

It will be really fun to see both Marissa and Dhruv Rebba on the stage at the same time. Dhruv won the Newsline award and is also an AMSAT member. We?ve really enjoyed getting to know the Rebba family over the past year or so. They are great people. 

Jeff WE4B 

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Brian L. Threlkeld <bthrelkeld at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations Marissa, Im going to try and make it to the Huntsville hamfest and see you receive your award. maybe get a chance to meet you and your Dad as well. Marissa you give us hope for a bright future and we are all proud to watch you grow and succeed. Best wishes in all your future endeavors.
> 
> VRY 73 DE KQ4MM
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 3:11 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> Congratulations Marissa! Very well deserved!
>> 
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:59 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello Alabama Section,
>> >
>> > We have exciting news to share about our youth involvement in Amateur
>> > Radio!
>> >
>> > This year, the ARRL Alabama Youth Committee is pleased to announce the
>> > 2019 ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award recipient. This particular
>> > Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the skies almost daily. She has
>> > a deep interest in satellite communication and loves sharing that interest
>> > with others. Her passion is evident in awards she has received, forums
>> > where she has presented, along with the activities in which she
>> > participates.
>> >
>> > The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to:
>> > Marissa Robledo W4AQT
>> >
>> > Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in
>> > Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in the
>> > great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge, and rapid
>> > growth in many areas of Amateur Radio and we are proud to have
>> > her representing our hobby as this year?s Alabama Outstanding Amateur
>> > Youth!
>> >
>> > Please join us at the 2019 Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at
>> > 12:30pm for the formal presentation of this award to a deserving young
>> > Amateur Radio operator.
>> >
>> >
>> > Congratulations Marissa! Keep up the great work and fun you are creating
>> > using Amateur Radio. See you in Huntsville.
>> >
>> > Alabama Outstanding Youth Committee wished to thank everyone for your
>> > nominations for 2019.
>> >
>> > Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO
>> > Alabama Section Youth Coordinator
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > ARRL Alabama Section
>> > Section Manager: JVann Martin Sr, W4JVM
>> > w4jvm at arrl.org
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From k8bl at ameritech.net  Fri Aug  2 21:00:03 2019
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
 Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1528977708.398800.1564779603756@mail.yahoo.com>

IMHO, there is no need to get OCD over this issue. The SATs are
spinning/turning constantly and the polarization is changing
constantly. And, whatever the polarization is at YOUR location
is no assurance that it is the same at any other location. How
strong the signal is, therefore, is not how strong it is at some
other location. Orient your antenna as well as you can to hear
yourself as best you can. But, don't drive yourself crazy since
things usually don't change all that fast. I have been using my
Arrow on a tripod for quite a few years with good success. I
adjust the AZ/EL/Polarization every few minutes as needed
and use the rest of the time on a pass to tune the radio, key the
mic, sip coffee, etc. Most of the time, aiming & turning is not
as critical as it may seem. Relax & Enjoy!!

GL/73,? ? Bob? K8BL? ? ? ? ? ? ? (AMSAT #6593 since 1979)








On Friday, August 2, 2019, 11:59:46 AM EDT, Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote: 





You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once 
did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low 
life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in 
the ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs 
to break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it 
falls on deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that 
everyone knows has no chance to come to? fruition. I'm not that 
gullible. I'll crawl back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope 
for better days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than 
becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations? don't 
make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will continue to 
withhold them till I see some change, although I won't be holding my 
breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to 
maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this 
organization. Sigh...

73,

Michael, W4HIJ


> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
> as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
> going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
> exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
> by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
> There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gi
>? ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>
>
>
>

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From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 21:04:35 2019
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:04:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth
	Ham Award Recipient
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References: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
	<CACvjz2V8XNhQPRoThzKkUY8UFqTW0NL1VkhTG5qfS2bXwqYR6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHbn9oB6kBQNNiHZE_tUjoBjoDvkzJpDVGXA8bnJrpV-fS=Kyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<41D10DFC-FB65-483E-9852-3D8B1BC20D6C@gmail.com>
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Hello Jeff and Marissa and Dhruv ... and, congratulations on well deserved recognition!

 

> It will be really fun to see both Marissa and Dhruv Rebba on the stage at

> the same time. Dhruv won the Newsline award and is also an AMSAT member.

 

It is truly a pleasure to publish your good news!

https://www.amsat.org/amsat-member-marissa-robledo-w4aqt-named-2019-arrl-alabama-outstanding-youth-ham/

 

https://www.amsat.org/amsat-member-dhruv-rebba-kc9zjx-named-newsline-young-ham-of-the-year/

 

(Links are also on the www.amsat.org front page, under ?Updates?.)

 

--

73 de JoAnne K9JKM

k9jkm at amsat.org

 


From n0jy at amsat.org  Fri Aug  2 22:27:48 2019
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:27:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth
 Ham Award Recipient
In-Reply-To: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
References: <9AD3476E-95F0-494F-B7B8-F54A37209BBB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72a857b1-c1de-2b9c-9874-23c16eb2f5e8@amsat.org>

Congratulations, Marissa!?

I hope you continue to have fun and exciting challenges with amateur
radio.? You can certainly take it with you for the rest of your life,
and it will always be there when you get a hankerin' to get on the air
even if you have to be away from it for a while throughout the various
stages of your life.?
It is gratifying that you are inspired, at least in part, by what AMSAT
does.

73

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 8/2/2019 14:57, Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hello Alabama Section,
>
> We have exciting news to share about our youth involvement in Amateur Radio!
>
> This year, the ARRL Alabama Youth Committee is pleased to announce the
> 2019 ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award recipient. This particular Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the skies almost daily. She has a deep interest in satellite communication and loves sharing that interest with others. Her passion is evident in awards she has received, forums where she has presented, along with the activities in which she participates. 
>
> The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to: 
> Marissa Robledo W4AQT
>
> Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in the great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge, and rapid growth in many areas of Amateur Radio and we are proud to have
> her representing our hobby as this year?s Alabama Outstanding Amateur Youth! 
>
> Please join us at the 2019 Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at 12:30pm for the formal presentation of this award to a deserving young Amateur Radio operator.  
>
>
> Congratulations Marissa! Keep up the great work and fun you are creating using Amateur Radio. See you in Huntsville.
>
> Alabama Outstanding Youth Committee wished to thank everyone for your nominations for 2019. 
>
> Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO
> Alabama Section Youth Coordinator
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ARRL Alabama Section
> Section Manager: JVann Martin Sr, W4JVM
> w4jvm at arrl.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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From planophore at aei.ca  Fri Aug  2 23:06:26 2019
From: planophore at aei.ca (Graham)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:06:26 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
Message-ID: <59d37d9c-0554-742a-1eda-e42c925d243c@aei.ca>

I have been monitoring passes of ISS for the SSTV transmissions.

So far with good success.

However, when unable to be in the shack I leave everything set up to 
automatically capture any SSTV on 145.800MHz. Late yesterday evening 
around 2019-08-02 01:35 UTC I received an odd SSTV image which stands 
out from the other images from the ISS.

This image looks like a SSTV from VE1PK but I have not been to find out 
anything more about it.

I have a vague recollection of Bob Buringa mentioning that one of 
PACSATs can transmit SSTV on 145.800MHZ but I can't find the posting in 
which that was mentioned - either that or I managed to confuse what was 
said, I do now the new PCSAT can transmit SSTV on 70cm which may be the 
source of my confusion.

image can be seen here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pd8gcvl45mp9u29/AADp0uH-TG9jhEo3ktU4z_qCa/ISS_SSTV_Aug_2019?dl=0

It is of course the one which does not look any of the other ISS images.

Anyone able to shed some light on this wee mystery?

cheers, Graham ve3gtc FN25 near Ottawa Canada



From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 23:18:30 2019
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:18:30 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
In-Reply-To: <59d37d9c-0554-742a-1eda-e42c925d243c@aei.ca>
References: <59d37d9c-0554-742a-1eda-e42c925d243c@aei.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEMY9Ff24ncBK+yv_Y3_QiGuJNk=YOtcfh98iqEWgW76A39R+g@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,

 Your answer can be found in this thread on QRZ.
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/1-4-august-sstv-event-award.667830/page-3

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S9

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:14 PM Graham via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I have been monitoring passes of ISS for the SSTV transmissions.
>
> So far with good success.
>
> However, when unable to be in the shack I leave everything set up to
> automatically capture any SSTV on 145.800MHz. Late yesterday evening
> around 2019-08-02 01:35 UTC I received an odd SSTV image which stands
> out from the other images from the ISS.
>
> This image looks like a SSTV from VE1PK but I have not been to find out
> anything more about it.
>
> I have a vague recollection of Bob Buringa mentioning that one of
> PACSATs can transmit SSTV on 145.800MHZ but I can't find the posting in
> which that was mentioned - either that or I managed to confuse what was
> said, I do now the new PCSAT can transmit SSTV on 70cm which may be the
> source of my confusion.
>
> image can be seen here:
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pd8gcvl45mp9u29/AADp0uH-TG9jhEo3ktU4z_qCa/ISS_SSTV_Aug_2019?dl=0
>
> It is of course the one which does not look any of the other ISS images.
>
> Anyone able to shed some light on this wee mystery?
>
> cheers, Graham ve3gtc FN25 near Ottawa Canada
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From mat_62 at charter.net  Fri Aug  2 23:47:07 2019
From: mat_62 at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:47:07 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>

What did I say about "pie in the sky" and not being gullible? I'll 
believe? it when I see it. Some years back when I was still a member the 
mission statement had some bold proclamation about " daily coverage from 
geostationary satellites" How'd that work out for us? AMSAT DE has a 
beautiful and capable sat languishing in storage somewhere too don't 
they?? That was once a lofty goal. The best laid plans and all...

Y'all have fun,

73,

 ?Michael, W4HIJ

On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
>
> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Michael via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
>
> You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no chance to come to  fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations  don't make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this organization. Sigh...
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com>
>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
>> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
>> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times
>> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld?
>> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
>> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is
>> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still gi
>>    ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil
>> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 01:03:56 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:03:56 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
	<2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

That space frame is back in storage and was discussed recently on this
blog.  Long story short even at bargain basement prices it was a
multi-million dollar project.  Look for the post on this BB for more
details.

Oh yes, almost forgot, for most satellites the cost occurs up front so the
"I'll wait to see if it is up there before I join/contribute" approach
tends to be self-defeating.  Just a thought.

John K4SQC

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:48 PM Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> What did I say about "pie in the sky" and not being gullible? I'll
> believe  it when I see it. Some years back when I was still a member the
> mission statement had some bold proclamation about " daily coverage from
> geostationary satellites" How'd that work out for us? AMSAT DE has a
> beautiful and capable sat languishing in storage somewhere too don't
> they?  That was once a lofty goal. The best laid plans and all...
>
> Y'all have fun,
>
> 73,
>
>   Michael, W4HIJ
>
> On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> > Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
> >
> >
> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/
> >
> > 73, Drew KO4MA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Michael via
> AMSAT-BB
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
> antenna)
> >
> > You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once
> did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low
> life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the
> ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to
> break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on
> deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows
> has no chance to come to  fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back
> in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are
> pushing the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my
> dues money and paltry donations  don't make a difference to the
> organization. None the less, I will continue to withhold them till I see
> some change, although I won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's
> opinion but if we just continue to maintain the status quo as it stands
> now, I see a dim future for this organization. Sigh...
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Michael, W4HIJ
> >
> >
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com>
> >> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> >> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
> >> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times
> >> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld?
> >> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
> >> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is
> >> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have
> recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna."
> They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the
> birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed
> it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed
> moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying
> to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one
> has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club.
> (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds,
> receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome
> the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for
> some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still
> will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun,
> gets the job done, and still gi
> >>    ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil
> >> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From mat_62 at charter.net  Sat Aug  3 01:39:33 2019
From: mat_62 at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:39:33 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
	<2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>
	<CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <839ff0f2-b3ac-0064-a760-64b325baf345@charter.net>

I supported a long time until I felt that AMSAT wasn't listening to 
their rank and file members anymore. I've seen or heard nothing so far 
these last few days to change that impression. And again, I've heard 
these pie in the sky promises before. Fool me once... When I see 
something tangible, FRESH, and real again I'll but my money where my 
mouth is. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my sentiments.? "If you build 
it, they will come..."? Wearing out the cliches but maybe some food for 
thought for AMSAT management. Unfortunately I don't think they are 
listening anymore than when I and many others became disgruntled with 
the direction of the organization.

73



On 8/2/2019 9:03 PM, John Kludt wrote:
> Michael,
>
> That space frame is back in storage and was discussed recently on this 
> blog.? Long story short even at bargain basement prices it was a 
> multi-million dollar project.? Look for the post on this BB for more 
> details.
>
> Oh yes, almost forgot, for most satellites the cost occurs up front so 
> the "I'll wait to see if it is up there before I join/contribute" 
> approach tends to be self-defeating.? Just a thought.
>
> John K4SQC
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:48 PM Michael via AMSAT-BB 
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>> wrote:
>
>     What did I say about "pie in the sky" and not being gullible? I'll
>     believe? it when I see it. Some years back when I was still a
>     member the
>     mission statement had some bold proclamation about " daily
>     coverage from
>     geostationary satellites" How'd that work out for us? AMSAT DE has a
>     beautiful and capable sat languishing in storage somewhere too don't
>     they?? That was once a lofty goal. The best laid plans and all...
>
>     Y'all have fun,
>
>     73,
>
>     ??Michael, W4HIJ
>
>     On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>     > Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
>     >
>     >
>     https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/
>     >
>     > 73, Drew KO4MA
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
>     <mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org>> On Behalf Of Michael via AMSAT-BB
>     > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
>     > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>     > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296
>     (Waving an antenna)
>     >
>     > You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and
>     not once did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is
>     some sort of "low life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat
>     mentality has been run in the ground as a selling point for this
>     branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of that mold and do
>     something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears. BTW, that
>     doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no
>     chance to come to? fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl
>     back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better
>     days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than becoming
>     an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations? don't
>     make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will
>     continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I won't
>     be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just
>     continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim
>     future for this organization. Sigh...
>     >
>     > 73,
>     >
>     > Michael, W4HIJ
>     >
>     >
>     >> Message: 4
>     >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
>     >> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com <mailto:corlissbs at aol.com>>
>     >> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>     >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
>     >> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com
>     <mailto:1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>>
>     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>     >>
>     >> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
>     >> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How
>     many times
>     >> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a
>     handheld?
>     >> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
>     >> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
>     There is
>     >> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I
>     have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving
>     an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having
>     great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod,
>     these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham
>     club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone
>     can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into
>     the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to
>     tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club.
>     (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB
>     birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send
>     packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so
>     be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a
>     learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out
>     there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job
>     done, and still gi
>     >>? ? ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a
>     tin foil
>     >> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
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From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net  Sat Aug  3 10:49:07 2019
From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 06:49:07 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <07d48c8d-2744-437b-f909-9e81ffea7f0f@burlingtontelecom.net>

Hi Drew,

Any more specifics on the Five and Dime transponder on Golf Tee? 
Frequencies, link budget etc.?

By LEO, I assume 500-800 km orbit? Doppler tracking could be interesting!

I'm sure I have all the necessary equipment here except for possibly 
tracking depending on the requirements for uplink/downlink budget.

The equipment is so much easier these days. For uplink, possibly an 
ADALM-PLUTO with appropriate filter/amplifier. For the downlink, a 
simple GPS locked LNB.

The biggest challenges I see are tracking and most likely the need for 
LOS. 5/10 GHz doesn't like trees.

Mike

On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
> 
> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/
> 
> 73, Drew KO4MA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Michael via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
> 
> You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no chance to come to  fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations  don't make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this organization.
>   Sigh...
> 
> 73,
> 
> Michael, W4HIJ
> 
> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs at aol.com>
>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
>> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
>> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times
>> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld?
>> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
>> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is
>> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job done, and still g
>   i
>>    ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil
>> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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-- 

73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 11:27:36 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 07:27:36 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
Message-ID: <DF36B0A5-A582-4B7E-9D6D-701CD2CC9526@gmail.com>

Hi All,
Just getting into this aspect of GEO satellite security...
I found this very informative, though old article about satellite pirates and their hacking techniques in the old days of satellite TV (ca. 1993)

Since any new ham GEO satellite might be an emolation of these earlier TV satellites, it is imperative that some sort of security for the system might be prudent.

http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/sat.pirates

Bernard,
KC9SGV


Sent from my iPad

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  3 11:42:19 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 11:42:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fresh approach: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <839ff0f2-b3ac-0064-a760-64b325baf345@charter.net>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
	<2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>
	<CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<839ff0f2-b3ac-0064-a760-64b325baf345@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1687070760.694505.1564832539372@mail.yahoo.com>

 Michael's reply (recopied at the bottom) amplified something interesting in my mind.

One receives peer-support by introducing attainable hope and both envisioning and producing something tangible that can be built upon.

In our case, "something tangible" can be as easy as re-reading the news found at https://www.amsat.org/project-status-overview/ ... scroll to the bottom where Phase 3E is mentioned.

To build on "something tangible", someone at AMSAT could post the project plan of the steps needed to get that thing in the air.? Include "got it", "working on it already" and "need it" tags (along with contact information for each item).

Let us help to fill-in the holes.? Those with skills, contacts and resources exist beyond those who are presently AMSAT members and those who you will "see at the October conference".

Enthusiastically yours,
Ev, W2EV

PS: If we succumb to the "non-disclosure / secrecy" approach, we are doomed.? Be brave.? Be profound.? The same approach that got things stagnant can't be used to get things accomplished.



    On Friday, August 2, 2019, 9:42:16 PM EDT, Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 I supported a long time until I felt that AMSAT wasn't listening to 
their rank and file members anymore. I've seen or heard nothing so far 
these last few days to change that impression. And again, I've heard 
these pie in the sky promises before. Fool me once... When I see 
something tangible, FRESH, and real again I'll but my money where my 
mouth is. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my sentiments.? "If you build 
it, they will come..."? Wearing out the cliches but maybe some food for 
thought for AMSAT management. Unfortunately I don't think they are 
listening anymore than when I and many others became disgruntled with 
the direction of the organization.

73


  

From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 13:06:13 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 09:06:13 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fresh approach: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <1687070760.694505.1564832539372@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
	<2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>
	<CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<839ff0f2-b3ac-0064-a760-64b325baf345@charter.net>
	<1687070760.694505.1564832539372@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABsMmtRCDhbNnM29XZPCcO8v6j9-+vof5yy2H58F7fx79N7L4A@mail.gmail.com>

Ev,

Please read the post on the subject of Phase 3E on this BB.  The issue was
money.  To insure a timely integration with the primary load - we would
have been a ride share - the primary load was insisting on that a
commercial contractor be brought on board at the cost of several million
dollars.  The issue was not skills or parts or design, then issue was plain
and simple - more money than we could reasonably expect to raise.

Just as an FYI AMSAT for a number of reasons has to comply with
Nondisclosure Agreements (NDA's) from the various agencies and commercial
launch vendors with whom they work.   Trust me, if it okay for us to know
in munchkin land we will know it.

As was also pointed out elsewhere we are bucking an industry trend
right now.  We want to go higher while industry wants to go LEO with
clouds, literally thousands of Cubesats.  And that makes HEO rideshares
hard to find at a cost the amateur radio community it willing and able to
pay.

Don Quixote had his cause and it was noble.  He also had his best friend
Sancho who had the unenviable task of trying to pull Don Quixote back into
reality.  Remember it is a hobby, assume positive intent on the part of the
AMSAT BoD and the other amateur radio operator on this BBS.  And let's not
let the perfect become the enemy of the good enough.

73,

Johnny

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:44 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>  Michael's reply (recopied at the bottom) amplified something interesting
> in my mind.
>
> One receives peer-support by introducing attainable hope and both
> envisioning and producing something tangible that can be built upon.
>
> In our case, "something tangible" can be as easy as re-reading the news
> found at https://www.amsat.org/project-status-overview/ ... scroll to the
> bottom where Phase 3E is mentioned.
>
> To build on "something tangible", someone at AMSAT could post the project
> plan of the steps needed to get that thing in the air.  Include "got it",
> "working on it already" and "need it" tags (along with contact information
> for each item).
>
> Let us help to fill-in the holes.  Those with skills, contacts and
> resources exist beyond those who are presently AMSAT members and those who
> you will "see at the October conference".
>
> Enthusiastically yours,
> Ev, W2EV
>
> PS: If we succumb to the "non-disclosure / secrecy" approach, we are
> doomed.  Be brave.  Be profound.  The same approach that got things
> stagnant can't be used to get things accomplished.
>
>
>
>     On Friday, August 2, 2019, 9:42:16 PM EDT, Michael via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  I supported a long time until I felt that AMSAT wasn't listening to
> their rank and file members anymore. I've seen or heard nothing so far
> these last few days to change that impression. And again, I've heard
> these pie in the sky promises before. Fool me once... When I see
> something tangible, FRESH, and real again I'll but my money where my
> mouth is. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my sentiments.  "If you build
> it, they will come..."  Wearing out the cliches but maybe some food for
> thought for AMSAT management. Unfortunately I don't think they are
> listening anymore than when I and many others became disgruntled with
> the direction of the organization.
>
> 73
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  3 13:35:54 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:35:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fresh approach: Transparency
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtRCDhbNnM29XZPCcO8v6j9-+vof5yy2H58F7fx79N7L4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
	<2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@charter.net>
	<CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<839ff0f2-b3ac-0064-a760-64b325baf345@charter.net>
	<1687070760.694505.1564832539372@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CABsMmtRCDhbNnM29XZPCcO8v6j9-+vof5yy2H58F7fx79N7L4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <374866947.684639.1564839354864@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Sancho...er...John. Lol.? Yeah, I get it.
My point is that the same pathways to success in years-gone-by aren't the only pathways today.? Said differently, just as there are new barriers/challenges today ... there are also new ways to get to space.

For example..."what if" through "Bacon's Law" a non-AMSAT ham knows how to reach Jeff Bezos and convince Blue Origin to supply transport...maybe by trading off something that he personally believes in or values?
The point is...tell us that we need to supply transport and a contact person for that work-step, then let "Bacon's Law" kick in.

All I'm asking for is to publish the work breakdown structure and tag each item with "got it", "working on it" and "need it".
My other point is, "Are we brave enough to be transparent and allow the resources-of-the-crowd to participate in our success?"? If not...then all AMSAT needs is money (and we're back to where we all started).

Cheers,Ev, W2EV

    On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 9:06:25 AM EDT, John Kludt <johnnykludt at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Ev,
Please read the post on the subject of Phase 3E on this BB.? The issue was money.? To insure a timely integration with the primary load - we would have been a ride share - the primary load was insisting on that a commercial contractor be brought on board at the cost of several million dollars.? The issue was not skills or parts or design, then issue was plain and simple - more money than we could reasonably expect to raise.??
Just as an FYI AMSAT for a number of reasons has to comply with Nondisclosure Agreements (NDA's) from the various agencies and commercial launch vendors with whom they work.? ?Trust me, if it okay for us to know in munchkin land we will know it.??
As was also pointed out elsewhere we are bucking an industry trend right?now.? We want to go higher while industry wants to go LEO with clouds, literally thousands of Cubesats.? And that makes HEO rideshares hard to find at a cost the amateur radio community it willing and able to pay.
Don Quixote had his cause and it was noble.? He also had his best friend Sancho who had the unenviable task of trying to pull Don Quixote back into reality.? Remember it is a hobby, assume positive intent on the part of the AMSAT BoD and the other amateur radio operator on this BBS.? And let's not let the perfect become the enemy of the good enough.
73,
Johnny
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:44 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

?Michael's reply (recopied at the bottom) amplified something interesting in my mind.

One receives peer-support by introducing attainable hope and both envisioning and producing something tangible that can be built upon.

In our case, "something tangible" can be as easy as re-reading the news found at https://www.amsat.org/project-status-overview/ ... scroll to the bottom where Phase 3E is mentioned.

To build on "something tangible", someone at AMSAT could post the project plan of the steps needed to get that thing in the air.? Include "got it", "working on it already" and "need it" tags (along with contact information for each item).

Let us help to fill-in the holes.? Those with skills, contacts and resources exist beyond those who are presently AMSAT members and those who you will "see at the October conference".

Enthusiastically yours,
Ev, W2EV

PS: If we succumb to the "non-disclosure / secrecy" approach, we are doomed.? Be brave.? Be profound.? The same approach that got things stagnant can't be used to get things accomplished.



? ? On Friday, August 2, 2019, 9:42:16 PM EDT, Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 

?I supported a long time until I felt that AMSAT wasn't listening to 
their rank and file members anymore. I've seen or heard nothing so far 
these last few days to change that impression. And again, I've heard 
these pie in the sky promises before. Fool me once... When I see 
something tangible, FRESH, and real again I'll but my money where my 
mouth is. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my sentiments.? "If you build 
it, they will come..."? Wearing out the cliches but maybe some food for 
thought for AMSAT management. Unfortunately I don't think they are 
listening anymore than when I and many others became disgruntled with 
the direction of the organization.

73



_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From rjlawn at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 14:05:24 2019
From: rjlawn at gmail.com (Richard Lawn)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 10:05:24 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] MMSSTV with 9700
Message-ID: <CADQmrTEmpKmvp2yRx-NLcXmeoyy9MeswyEjuQYudYodxRn8aLA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone using MMSSTV with their 9700. I'd be interested in knowing what
settings you've used in the MMSSTV setup screen.

TNX
73
Rick, W2JAZ

From diehl.mike.a at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 16:30:54 2019
From: diehl.mike.a at gmail.com (Mike Diehl)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 12:30:54 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
In-Reply-To: <DF36B0A5-A582-4B7E-9D6D-701CD2CC9526@gmail.com>
References: <DF36B0A5-A582-4B7E-9D6D-701CD2CC9526@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78BE12C1-8ACD-4BB4-B4EC-ACC7E8E9C6C5@gmail.com>

The article you linked to was quite lengthy so I skimmed over it. From what I can tell it?s all about receiving pay television programming. Cant figure out how this applies to an amateur radio satellite. 

73, 
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID 

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 07:28, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> Just getting into this aspect of GEO satellite security...
> I found this very informative, though old article about satellite pirates and their hacking techniques in the old days of satellite TV (ca. 1993)
> 
> Since any new ham GEO satellite might be an emolation of these earlier TV satellites, it is imperative that some sort of security for the system might be prudent.
> 
> http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/sat.pirates
> 
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From bryan at kl7cn.net  Sat Aug  3 16:34:08 2019
From: bryan at kl7cn.net (Bryan Green)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 09:34:08 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
In-Reply-To: <78BE12C1-8ACD-4BB4-B4EC-ACC7E8E9C6C5@gmail.com>
References: <DF36B0A5-A582-4B7E-9D6D-701CD2CC9526@gmail.com>
	<78BE12C1-8ACD-4BB4-B4EC-ACC7E8E9C6C5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBC405C1-CE4C-4F2E-8A45-DDDB7B0A8C7F@kl7cn.net>

Perhaps he meant the Brazilian folk who commonly use the uncontrolled US Navy satellites for communication:

https://www.wired.com/2009/04/fleetcom/

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan at kl7cn.net

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 09:30, Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> The article you linked to was quite lengthy so I skimmed over it. From what I can tell it?s all about receiving pay television programming. Cant figure out how this applies to an amateur radio satellite. 
> 
> 73, 
> Mike Diehl
> W8LID/VE6LID 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 07:28, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi All,
>> Just getting into this aspect of GEO satellite security...
>> I found this very informative, though old article about satellite pirates and their hacking techniques in the old days of satellite TV (ca. 1993)
>> 
>> Since any new ham GEO satellite might be an emolation of these earlier TV satellites, it is imperative that some sort of security for the system might be prudent.
>> 
>> http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/sat.pirates
>> 
>> Bernard,
>> KC9SGV
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From n3cal at md.metrocast.net  Sat Aug  3 17:09:48 2019
From: n3cal at md.metrocast.net (Cal Spreitzer)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:09:48 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] MMSSTV with 9700
In-Reply-To: <CADQmrTEmpKmvp2yRx-NLcXmeoyy9MeswyEjuQYudYodxRn8aLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQmrTEmpKmvp2yRx-NLcXmeoyy9MeswyEjuQYudYodxRn8aLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d54a1e$41872d70$c4958850$@metrocast.net>

Hi Rick,

So far I've only used MM-SSTV to receive with the IC-9700 using the USB
audio.   I haven't figured out how to get TX working yet?  I'd love to hear
from anyone that's got it working on TX as well!  73

Cal/N3CAL 

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Richard Lawn
via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Amsat BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] MMSSTV with 9700

Is anyone using MMSSTV with their 9700. I'd be interested in knowing what
settings you've used in the MMSSTV setup screen.

TNX
73
Rick, W2JAZ
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 17:44:05 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:44:05 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
In-Reply-To: <CBC405C1-CE4C-4F2E-8A45-DDDB7B0A8C7F@kl7cn.net>
References: <DF36B0A5-A582-4B7E-9D6D-701CD2CC9526@gmail.com>
	<78BE12C1-8ACD-4BB4-B4EC-ACC7E8E9C6C5@gmail.com>
	<CBC405C1-CE4C-4F2E-8A45-DDDB7B0A8C7F@kl7cn.net>
Message-ID: <84AFD08B-3FC7-4C10-A418-DB19D785E5F5@gmail.com>

Yep, that is what I meant.
Interesting article, though.
More relevant than my original link.
Security and self-policing will keep things legal.

KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Bryan Green <bryan at kl7cn.net> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps he meant the Brazilian folk who commonly use the uncontrolled US Navy satellites for communication:
> 
> https://www.wired.com/2009/04/fleetcom/
> 
> -- bag
> 
> Bryan KL7CN/W6
> bryan at kl7cn.net
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 09:30, Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The article you linked to was quite lengthy so I skimmed over it. From what I can tell it?s all about receiving pay television programming. Cant figure out how this applies to an amateur radio satellite. 
>> 
>> 73, 
>> Mike Diehl
>> W8LID/VE6LID 
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 07:28, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi All,
>>> Just getting into this aspect of GEO satellite security...
>>> I found this very informative, though old article about satellite pirates and their hacking techniques in the old days of satellite TV (ca. 1993)
>>> 
>>> Since any new ham GEO satellite might be an emolation of these earlier TV satellites, it is imperative that some sort of security for the system might be prudent.
>>> 
>>> http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/sat.pirates
>>> 
>>> Bernard,
>>> KC9SGV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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From royldean at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 18:24:24 2019
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:24:24 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
Message-ID: <CADGPg2uxF8mytTsNqUdLds+qFf0WGkWXc9+z58gf_m0c4dW6dQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Security and self-policing will keep things legal.


I'm curious how we are supposed to "secure" an amateur radio satellite?
 From what I understand, the only encryption allowed is for command station
signals.   Self-policing is obviously "used" today, although I think
"public shaming" is a better description.  :)

--Roy
K3RLD

From kk5do at arrl.net  Sat Aug  3 19:55:14 2019
From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:55:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb]  AMSAT Awards Update
Message-ID: <5df6943b-5e50-9305-282c-1728aa81a29b@arrl.net>

Here we are, the first half of 2019, I have been posting all the Rover 
Awards on my Twitter account and tagging @AMSAT. I will include all the 
Rover Awards here for those that do not have Twitter.

What will you be doing for AMSAT's 50th Anniversary for the rest of 
2019? Operating awards are in full swing and hope you are enjoying them, 
AMSAT Members and Non-AMSAT Members can participate.


AMSAT Satellite Communicators Award for making their first satellite QSO
Gerald Clouatre, AG5AY
Wil Marchant, KW4WZ
Bob Keating, N6REK
Russ McRee, N3SC
John Colville, KC7JPC
James Lawson, KC2JED
Wayne Morris, AC5V
Robert Fielder, Jr, KE4H
Tony Milluzzi, KD8RTT
Tamir Rosenberg, N6JJ
David Hoffmann, KL1XI
Pedro Dutra Sousa, CU2ZG

 From Youngsters on the Air in South Africa
Jan, ZS4RAL
James Lea, ZS6/WX4TV
Faith Lea, ZS6/AE4FH
Mateo Frigo, ZS6/IU2GGL
Franciesco De Giudici, ZS6/IU3GNB
Domantas Petrauskas, ZS6/LY1JA
Linas Dragunas, ZS6/LY5AT
Matthias Pistrol, ZS6/OE1MPR
Benjamin Veitschegger, ZS6/OE3BVB
Wilhelm Elofson, ZS6/SA6BET
Kyle Hooper, ZS6KH
Youngsters on the Air, ZS9YOTA
Robert van der Meulen, ZU6BOB

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AMSAT Communications Achievement Award
** Note - Number 590-599 and 601-610 were the special 50th Anniversary 
Certificates

Dmitry Krglov, UA4RAB, #588
Bob Keating, N6REK, #589
Ronald Parsons, W5RKN, #590
Chris Tabor, K7TAB, #591
Brian Karcher, KG5GJT, #592
Christy Hunber, KB6LTY, #593
John E. Stone, KC9VGG, #594
Frank Westphal, K6FW, #595
Dwight Fletcher, N1RCN, #596
David Loftus, K5IX, #597
Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK, #598
Casey Tucker, KI7UNJ, #599
Gary Pritchard, W5RTX, #600
Adrian Liggins, VA3NNA, #601
Andrew Northam, KE8FZT, #602
Ruth Willet, KM4LAO, #603
Mike Styne, K2MTS, #604
Robert Hudson, VE3CWU, #605
Stephen Nordahl, NS3L, #606
James Oulman, K4WPX, #607
Paul Locke, KB4PML, #608
Nicholas Mahr, KE8AKW, #609
Robert Sours, K9UO, #610
Brandon Nuss, WH6ETF, #611
Anthony Milluzzi, KD8RTT, #612
James Lawson, KC2JED, #613
Micha Klein, 4Z1KM, #614
Dennis Madarang, KD2QET, #615
David Hoffmann, KL1XI, #616
Robert Switzer, KA2CZU, #617
Cal Spreizter, N3CAL, #618
Pedro Dutra Sousa, CU2ZG, #619


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AMSAT South Africa Satellite Communications Achievement Award
Michael Lozano, KI7WIB, #US211
Bob Keating, N6REK, #US212
Gary Pritchard, W5RTX, #US213
Brandon Nuss, WH6ETF, #US214
Anthony Milluzzi, KD8RTT, #US215
James Lawson, KC2JED, #US216
Dennis MadarangKD2QET, #US217
David Hoffmann, KL1XI, #US218
Robert Switzer, KA2CZU, #US219
Cal Spreitzer, N3CAL, #US220
Pedro Dutra Sousa, CU2ZG, #US221

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AMSAT Sexagesimal Communications Achievement Award
Pedro Dutra Sousa, CU2ZG, #183

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AMSAT Robert W. Barbee Jr., W4AMI Award
Charles Reiche, N3CRT, #97
Frank Westphal, K6FW, upgraded to 4,000
Adrian Liggins, VA3NNA, upgraded to 4,000

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AMSAT Robert W. Barbee Jr., W4AMI 5,000 Award
Adrian Liggins, VA3NNA, #35

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AMSAT Rover Award (New for 2019)

Rover         Call
=====         ========
041           KI7UNJ
042           CJ7EWK/3
043           N7EGY


73...bruce


To see all the awards visit http://www.amsat.org and click on Services 
the Awards


Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards


ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0200z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes



From mjohns+K0JM at luther.edu  Sat Aug  3 22:19:30 2019
From: mjohns+K0JM at luther.edu (Mark D. Johns)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 17:19:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-216 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CAHKCqnAaKpXxYyXiyjXcNViuA2jg9HbR=zi+G9Jfr88P8MPOcA@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-216

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
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In this edition:

* CAS-7B Designated BIT Progress-OSCAR 102 (BO-102)
* AMSAT and ARISS Designing Amateur Radio System for Lunar Gateway
* ARISS SSTV Owen Garriott Event Underway
* AMSAT Member Named Young Ham of the Year
* AMSAT member Wins Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award
* ARISS Next Gen System Completes Critical Flight Certification Tests
* Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule
* VUCC Awards-Endorsements for July 2019
* LightSail 2 Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light
* Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution for August 1, 2019
* Upcoming Satellite Operations
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-216.01
ANS-216 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 216.01
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE YYY
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-216.01

CAS-7B Designated BIT Progress-OSCAR 102 (BO-102)

On July 25, 2019, the CAS-7B (BP-1B) microsatellite was launched on a
Hyperbola-1 launch vehicle from the Jiuquan Space Center, China.
CAS-7B (BP-1B) was developed by the Chinese Amateur Satellite Group
(CAMSAT), and in cooperation with the Beijing Institute of Technology
(BIT). CAMSAT completed the project planning, design, build, and
testing, and manages the on-orbit operation of the satellite. BIT
provided the satellite environmental testing, launch support, and
financial support. Many students from BIT were involved with the
project, learning about satellite technology and amateur radio. The
satellite carries a CW telemetry beacon and FM repeater that has been
active since launch.

At the request of CAMSAT and the BIT team, AMSAT hereby designates
CAS-7B (BP-1B) as BIT Progress-OSCAR 102 (BO-102). We congratulate the
owners and operators of BO-102, thank them for their contribution to
the amateur satellite community, and wish them continued success on
this and future projects.

[ANS thanks Drew Glasbrenner, KO4MA, AMSAT VP Operations and OSCAR
 Number Administrator, for the above information]

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AMSAT and ARISS Designing Amateur Radio System for Lunar Gateway

As announced at the AMSAT Forun at the Dayton Hamvention, AMSAT and
ARISS are working on the design of a ham radio system for NASA's Lunar
Gateway. The Gateway will be a small spaceship in orbit around the
Moon that will provide access to more of the lunar surface than ever
before with living quarters for astronauts, a lab for science and re-
search, ports for visiting spacecraft, and more. First sections of the
Gateway are scheduled for launch in 2022.

To make this happen we are leveraging the work and expertise of the
world-wide AMSAT organizations and the international ARISS community
in this endeavor. We have an international team working this and are
meeting 2x a month to mature the concept. In May we presented our
solid concept to NASA and got great, positive feedback. This was
followed up a few weeks later at the ARISS-I meeting at the Canadian
Space Agency (CSA) in Montreal where we received great feedback from
the CSA Gateway Program Manager after he saw our presentation.

The AREx (Amateur Radio Exploration) team have done some really good
work. The challenge for amateurs will be on the order of a 30 dB
signal path loss as compared to LEO. But the link margins on our de-
sign seem to close.

AMSAT NA, UK & DL and ARISS-together--are working this phenomenal ham
radio challenge.  Come to the AMSAT-NA Symposium in DC to hear more.

[ANS thanks Frank Bauer, KA3HDO, AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight
 Programs, for the above information]

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    The 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium will be held
       October 18-20 in Arlington, VA. For details, see:

            https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium/

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ARISS SSTV Owen Garriott Event Underway

ARISS celebrates the life and accomplishments of astronaut,
scientist and ham radio pioneer Owen Garriott with a commemorative
SSTV event featuring images from Garriott's work with ham radio during
his missions in space.

The event began on August 1 at 09:40 UTC and is scheduled to end at
18:15 UTC on August 4. There are currently twelve separate images
being sent at 145.800 MHz FM in the SSTV mode PD-120. As always,
activities are subject to change dictated by the crew's schedule.

Once received, images can be posted and viewed by the public at
http://www.spaceflightsoftware.com/ARISS_SSTV/index.php and users can
receive a special SSTV ARISS Award for posting images.
See https://ariss.pzk.org.pl/sstv/ for details.

Also for simplicity, a new information tab for SSTV events has been
added to the ARISS website, under the General Contacts pulldown menu
at www.ariss.org. The latest updates can also be found at the ARISS
Facebook site Amateur Radio On The International Space Station (ARISS)
and on Twitter @ ARISS_status.

[ANS thanks ARISS and Frank Karnauskas, N1UW, for the above
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AMSAT Member Named Young Ham of the Year

Dhruv Rebba, KC9ZJX, of Normal, Illinois, has been selected as the
2019 Bill Pasternak WA6ITF Memorial Amateur Radio Newsline Young Ham
of the Year. Dhruv, 15, is the son of Hari Rebba, VU2SPZ, and Shailaja
Panyam. He is entering his sophomore year at the Normal Community High
School this fall.

He is a member of the Central Illinois Radio Club. Dhruv earned his
Technician Class license in 2013 when he was only 9 years old. He
followed it up by passing the test for a General Class license a year
later. Dhruv says his interest in amateur radio was sparked by a 2013
visit to the Dayton Hamvention(R) with his father, a long-time amateur
radio operator from India who settled in the U.S.

"He was going to the Hamvention and so I wanted to tag along," Dhruv
recalls. "There I got to see all the cool stuff like the Morse-Code
keyers and all the radios and everything and I decided to start study-
ing for my Technician class."

After getting his license, Dhruv became involved in Field Days and
public service events with the Central Illinois Radio Club, including
the "We Care Twin Cities Marathon" and the "Hop on for Hope Bike Ride/
Walk." Dhruv says he found a way to combine his interest in space and
engineering with his new hobby. He joined AMSAT (Radio Amateur Satel-
lite Corporation) and pursued his dream of a school contact with an
astronaut aboard the International Space Station.

In October 2017, he served as the lead control operator for an Amateur
Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact with students
at his school - the Chiddix Junior High School in Normal, IL - with
astronaut Joe Acaba, KE5DAR. In late July of this year, Dhruv helped
to facilitate another ARISS contact with international Scouts attend-
ing the World Jamboree in West Virginia and monitored the contact from
his home.

ARISS presentations at Dayton and Huntsville, his selection as an
ARISS mentor and networking with those putting together the ARISS con-
tact for the World Jamboree led to his role in the July 2019 contact.
In 2018, Dhruv was selected for the Dave Kalter Memorial Youth DX
Adventure. He traveled to Curacao Island in July 2018 where the PJ2Y
team made a record 6,262 contacts with 135 countries over five days.
Dhruv says he enjoyed operating his favorite mode, SSB. Dhruv has
earned many accolades for his amateur radio pursuits including the
"Young Ham Lends A Hand" award at the 2019 Dayton Hamvention Youth
Forum; "Presidential Award" from AMSAT; and the "Young Achievers
Award" from the Radio Club of America.

He also has traveled to India to promote amateur radio awareness and
spoke at the ZPH School, NP Kunta, India in January 2018. He discussed
the importance of wireless communications and their role during disas-
ters.  Dhruv started the "Universal Help Foundation" to help underpriv-
ileged students on a global scale. Among his first projects was a digi-
tal project at a girls' high school in NP Kunta, India this past Jan-
uary.   Dhruv also has an interest in robotics and has worked as a
mentor helping elementary school students build robots. This past
April, Dhruv's "MetalCow Robotics" team finished fourth overall in the
international competition sponsored by NASA in Detroit.

Dhruv says a visit to the AMSAT booth at the 2019 Dayton Hamvention
prompted him to sign on for the "Amateur Radio Exploration on the
Moon" project.   "We're designing an amateur radio system to be on the
Gateway Space Station and the Moon," he says.   Dhruv will be recog-
nized during the Huntsville Hamfest on Aug. 17 in the Von Braun Center,
Huntsville AL.

The Young Ham of the Year was inaugurated by William Pasternak, WA6ITF,
in 1986. Upon his passing in 2015, Bill's name was added to the award
as a memorial to his commitment to recognizing the accomplishments of
young people to the amateur radio service. Amateur Radio Newsline, CQ
Magazine and Yaesu USA are primary sponsors of the award, along with
Heil Sound Ltd. and Radiowavz Antenna Company.

[ANS thanks CQ Communications, Inc. for the above information]

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AMSAT member Wins Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award

The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to Marissa Robledo,
W4AQT. This particular Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the
skies almost daily. She has a deep interest in satellite communication
and loves sharing that interest with others. Her passion is evident in
awards she has received, forums where she has presented, along with
the activities in which she participates.

Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in
Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in
the great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge,
and rapid growth in many areas of Amateur Radio.

The formal presentation of this award will take place at the 2019
Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at 12:30 p.m.

[ANS thanks Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO, Alabama Section Youth Coordinator,
for the above information]

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ARISS Next Gen System Completes Critical Flight Certification Tests

The Interoperable Radio System (IORS), ARISS? next generation radio
system successfully completed a battery of stressful tests required as
part of the final certification of the hardware for launch to and
operation on the International Space Station.

During the week of July 8, the IORS, consisting of the JVC Kenwood
D-710GA Radio and the AMSAT developed Multi-Voltage Power Supply, suc-
cessfully completed a series of Electro-magnetic Interference (EMI)/
Electro-Magnetic Compatibility (EMC) tests to ensure that the ARISS
hardware will not interfere with the ISS systems or other payloads.
Testing continued into the following week, where the IORS successfully
passed power quality and acoustics testing. These tests verified that
the ARISS IORS will not introduce harmful signals back into the ISS
power system and is quiet enough to meet ISS acoustic requirements.
ARISS Hardware Team members Lou McFadin, W5DID and Kerry Banke, N6IZW
were at the NASA Johnson Space Center supporting this two week battery
of tests in concert with the NASA test and certification team.

Kerry Banke states, ?Since the IORS is being qualified to operate on
120VDC, 28VDC and Russian 28VDC as well as transmitting on VHF or UHF,
a lot of test combinations were required to cover all cases. Each in-
put voltage type was also tested at low, medium and high line voltage.
Moreover, additional permutations were required to test the IORS under
no load, medium load and full load at each voltage level. So it should
not be surprising why the tests took two weeks to complete.?

Successful completion of these tests represents a key milestone in
preparing the IORS for launch. ARISS can now begin final assembly of
the flight safety certification in preparation for launch. ARISS is
working towards launch ready status by the end of the year.

[ANS thanks ARISS for the above information]

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    AMSAT and ARISS are currently supporting a FundRazr campaign
    to raise $150,000 for critical radio infrastructure upgrades
    on ISS. The upgrades are necessary to enable students to
    continue to talk to astronauts in space via Amateur Radio.
     We have reached a great milestone with $33,250 raised
    or about 17% towards our goal. This would not have been
         possible without your outstanding generosity!!

          For more information and to DONATE TODAY visit:

     https://fundrazr.com/arissnextgen?ref=ab_e7Htwa_ab_47IcJ9

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events as of 2019-07-30 03:00 UTC:

Kyoto Tachibana Junior & Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan, direct via
8N3KT. The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS. The sched-
uled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV. Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-08
at 10:36:37 UTC 56 degrees maximum elevation

[ANS thanks ARISS for the above information]

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VUCC Awards-Endorsements for July 2019

Here are the endorsements and new VUCC Satellite Awards issued by the
ARRL for the period July 1, 2019 through August 1, 2019. Congratula-
tions to all those who made the list this month!

CALL      Jul     01Aug
      AA8CH 550 584
      WD9EWK 567 575
      NS3L 475 505
      AE5B ??? 442
      K9UO 400 425
      W5TD 381 384
      KE8FZT 325 350
      K5IX 300 325
      PS8ET 211 275
      WW8W 201 228
      AB1OC 184 215
      KJ4EU 151 206
      AA4QE 102 204
      N7EGY 169 200
      ND0C 153 200
      PR8KW  New 200
      LW2DAF 125 130
      KC9VGG 102 127
      KC9UQR New 113
      XE2YWH New 102
      K5ZM New 101
      N4QX New 100
If you find errors or omissions. please contact W5RKN. This list was
developed by comparing the ARRL .pdf listings for the two months. It's
a visual comparison so omissions are possible. Apologies if your call
was omitted.

Thanks to all those who are roving to grids that are rarely on the
birds. They are doing most of the work!

[ANS thanks Ron Parsons, W5RKN, for the above information]

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LightSail 2 Successfully Demonstrates Flight by Light

The Planetary Society's crowdfunded LightSail 2 spacecraft is success-
fully raising its orbit solely on the power of sunlight.

Since unfurling the spacecraft's silver solar sail last week, mission
managers have been optimizing the way the spacecraft orients itself
during solar sailing. After a few tweaks, LightSail 2 began raising
its orbit around the Earth. In the past 4 days, the spacecraft has
raised its orbital high point, or apogee, by about 2 kilometers. The
mission team has confirmed the apogee increase can only be attributed
to solar sailing, meaning LightSail 2 has successfully completed its
primary goal of demonstrating flight by light for CubeSats.

On Monday, July 29, LightSail 2 sent home a new full-resolution image
captured by its camera during solar sail deployment. The perspective
is opposite to last week?s full-resolution image and shows the sail
more fully deployed. LightSail 2's aluminized Mylar sail shines
against the blackness of space, with the Sun peeking through near a
sail boom.

LightSail 2 uses the callsign WM9XPA and transmits its beacon on
437.025 MHz, AX.25, FSK, 9600 bps. Beacon parameters and more informa-
tion on the spacecraft may be found at: https://tinyurl.com/y5r6758v

[ANS thanks The Planetary Society for the above information]

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Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution for August 1, 2019

The following Amateur Radio satellite has decayed from orbit and has
been removed from this week's TLE distribution.

TANYUSHA 1 - NORAD CAT ID 42911 - Decayed 07/30/2019 (per Space-Track)

The following Amateur Radio satellites have been added to this week's
TLE distribution.

PSAT 2     - NORAD CAT ID 44354 (per Space-Track)
BRICsat 2  - NORAD CAT ID 44355 (per Space-Track)
Oculus-ASR - NORAD CAT ID 44356 (per Space-Track)
CP9        - NORAD CAT ID 44360 (per Space-Track)
Move-IIb   - NORAD CAT ID 44398 (per Nico Janssen, PA0DLO)
SONATE     - NORAD CAT ID 44400 (per Nico Janssen, PA0DLO)

The following Amateur Radio satellites have a name change in this
week's TLE distribution.

CAS-7B (now been designated as BIT Progress-OSCAR 102 or BO-102) has
now been assigned NORAD CAT ID 44443. Note that this is the current
best guess CAT ID for BO-102. Also the TLE drag number for BO-102 has
been rapidly increasing and is now at 0.01093482. BO-102 is expected
to decay from orbit in about eight days.

Object A (NORAD CAT ID 44339) is now identified as Prox-1.

[ANS thanks Ray Hoad, WA5QGD, AMSAT Orbital Elements Manager for the
above information]

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Upcoming Satellite Operations

+CY9 St. Paul Island (FN97) ? July 31 to August 8, 2019
CY9C will be on St. Paul Island July 31st through August 8th. This is
an all bands/mode dxpedition, with EME and Sats as well.  More info
available at http://cy9c.com/index.html.

+Florida Keys (EL95) August 4-11, 2019
Philippe, EA4NF will be operating from EL95 (Key Largo and Brickell
Key) as KC3NSG, from August 4 to 11, 2019.  FM and Linears.  QSL via
LoTW.  Keep an eye on Philippe?s Twitter feed for further updates:
https://twitter.com/EA4NF_SAT

+Washington Invasion (CN96/96 & DN06/07/17/17) ? August 9-10, 2019
Casey, KI7UNJ, will be heading North to invade the State of
Washington, August 9th and 10th. Keep an eye on Casey?s Twitter feed
for specific pass announcements: https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ

+St Pierre et Miquelon (GN16) ? August 10-18, 2019
A DXpedition is planned to St Pierre et Miquelon, August 10th through
the 18th. The team will operate as T05M will from Ile aux Marins on 6-
160m, but there is a possibility of some FM Satellites. Keep an eye on
their website for updates: http://fp2019.net/

+Santa Rosa Island, CA (CM93) ? August 12-14, 2019
Ron, AD0DX, is heading back to Santa Rosa Island, August 12th -14th.
When not distracted by the feathered-birds, Ron will be on FM and
linear satellites as W6R.  Keep an eye on Ron?s Twitter feed for
updates at the dates get closer.  https://twitter.com/ad0dx

+Goose Bay, Labrador (FO93) August 12-14, 2019
Chris, VE3FU, will be visiting family / friends and maintenance of
his HF remote station in FO93, but he should be on the FM sats as
VO2AC. Chris will try to post here before each pass, so keep an eye
on his Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/ChrisVE3FU

+6Y - Jamaica (FK18) August 12-19, 2019
Philippe, EA4NF will be operating from JAMAICA (IOTA NA-097 ? Grid
FK18) in Satellite with the special call 6Y4NF from August 12 to 19,
2019.  QRV Satellite in FM and SSB.  QSL via LoTW.  Keep an eye on
Philippe?s Twitter feed for further updates :
https://twitter.com/EA4NF_SAT.

Please submit any additions or corrections to ke4al (at) amsat.org
Remember to check out W3ZM On the Road for additional upcoming
activations! https://www.amsat.org/events/was-w3zm/

[ANS thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL, for the above information.]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ The Space Communicator Club of Las Flores, Calif. provide a public
  website for monitoring Satellite APRS Packets received in the most
  recent 24 hour period: http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs
  (ANS thanks Robert MacHale, KE6BLR, for the above information)

+ The Federal Communications Commission voted on August 1 to create a
  new licensing category for small satellite companies that will
  dramatically reduce launch fees. Full story at:
  https://tinyurl.com/y4k588ko
  (ANS thanks Texas Public Radio for the above information)

+ SpaceX's robotic Dragon cargo capsule arrived at the International
  Space Station on July 27, setting a new record for SpaceX's reusable
  spacecraft. The Dragon, which launched July 25 from Florida's Cape
  Canaveral Air Force Station atop a two-stage Falcon 9 rocket, was on
  its third mission to space.
  (ANS thanks Space.com for the above information)

+ W3XO, the call sign held by former AMSAT President Bill Tynan (SK)
  has been issued to the Hill Country Amateur Radio Club of Kerrville,
  Texas, as a memorial. Bill was a leading member and past president
  of that club, as well as of AMSAT.
  (ANS thanks Ray Soifer, W2RS, for the above information)

+ Ballots for the 2019 AMSAT Board of Directors election have been
  mailed. Candidate statements may be found at
  https://www.amsat.org/2019-board-statements/

+ Hackaday, an online journal for technical experimenters, published
  an article about the history of the AO-7 satellite on August 2. It
  can be read at:   https://tinyurl.com/yyy5oapn
  (ANS thanks hackaday.com for the above information)


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/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73 and Remember to help keep amateur radio in space,
This week's ANS Editor,

K0JM at amsat dot org

From n0jy at amsat.org  Sat Aug  3 22:24:14 2019
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 17:24:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14,
	Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
In-Reply-To: <07d48c8d-2744-437b-f909-9e81ffea7f0f@burlingtontelecom.net>
References: <mailman.60.1564687239.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
	<a2256bdf-35ee-cd7a-eb87-c83e3b8369ef@charter.net>
	<02f701d5494e$52d4c450$f87e4cf0$@mindspring.com>
	<07d48c8d-2744-437b-f909-9e81ffea7f0f@burlingtontelecom.net>
Message-ID: <b71cc563-62c7-5ad1-65a6-c329c6d9e646@amsat.org>

On 8/3/2019 05:49, Mike Seguin via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Any more specifics on the Five and Dime transponder on Golf Tee?
> Frequencies, link budget etc.? 
Hi Mike,

There are no intentions to have a Five and Dime transponder on
GOLF-TEE.? GOLF-TEE will have an X band data (telemetry) downlink and
may have an X band voice downlink with the same traffic as the U/v
transponder.? GOLF-1 would be the first to carry a 5&10 transponder.? At
1000+ km, coverage and Doppler shift would be a bit better than the
lower orbit of GOLF-TEE.? If we could get there... see my previous -bb
email reply about "top barriers".?

Without either one being manifested on a launch right now, final
frequencies and user link budget for use of the transponder have not yet
been determined.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY


From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 21:11:56 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:11:56 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] FPGA iCEBreaker Workshop - digital communications for
	amateur satellites
Message-ID: <CACvjz2UYRGrK+gNE+-5=e9_5c5qgCYs=PdaZkWTRsQVKsOaMqA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all!

Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs) are one of three fundamental types
of digital architectures used for communications R&D.

The others are general purpose processors and graphical processing units
(GPUs).

This fall, in San Diego, California, there will be an FPGA course sponsored
by Open Research Institute. There are 10 spots with amateur space
communications as the focus of the work.

FPGAs are a primary technology in modern satellite communications. They're
used in R&D and in deployment.

It is difficult to get started with FPGA design for several reasons. The
tools have traditionally been proprietary. The companies that make the
tools price them for large corporations to buy. Coursework for FPGA design
is rare.

This is where iCEBreaker makes a difference.

An iCEBreaker Workshop 10 pack has been made available, and arrived today.
This kit is described at this link
https://www.crowdsupply.com/1bitsquared/icebreaker-fpga

We (me and a few other local volunteers) will use this hardware to put on a
course for anyone interested in amateur radio satellite and terrestrial
development. All course materials will be published.

The first course will be in San Diego. If you're in the area, please get in
touch! MakerPlace and CoLab are the likely sites.

Later workshops could be at places like Symposium, Xenia, or Hamcation. The
full course cannot be accomplished in a day, but a workshop could get the
basics across and provide a substantial boost to motivated amateur
satellite engineering volunteers.

Let me know what you think!

more soon,
-Michelle W5NYV

From george.carrii15 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 23:08:09 2019
From: george.carrii15 at gmail.com (George Carr)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 23:08:09 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-91
In-Reply-To: <CALPwu-w9vQfVQ1sRR9Nsvq=khvzJDfczRaL0ui6r7T56eaA0Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALPwu-w9vQfVQ1sRR9Nsvq=khvzJDfczRaL0ui6r7T56eaA0Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOvopc_habnxBtbSc67ttx+v5W16qypw5cRmbmiVpSJLDscTAg@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin,
Thank you for your email. I just sat down to offer my apology to all on
that AO-91 pass when I read your email suggesting I was on simplex..
("Were you operating simplex on AO-91?
A bunch of stations including me came back to you. You were also TX on top
of people who were already in QSO, adding to the confusion that a weekend
FM bird already has.
Hope to work you sometime soon.")
Here is my narrative of the sad situation:
I pressed the mic ppt when I was in the footprint and id'd. I heard my
signal. I was dumbfounded no one was on the pass, yet, I could hear my
voice coming back! Very strange. As you rightly said, I announced my
presence a few more times and each time  heard my signal...but no
others...in the headset. My interference was not intentional. And, I am
very embarrassed and apologetic for that interference. When the pass ended,
I took off my headset and went to turn down the Receive audio gain. IT WAS
ALREADY DOWN! I turned it up and only then realized that here were others
on the pass. I had the transmit monitor on! I felt terrible as I instantly
knew I had to have caused interference to others.
My only defense (and a poor one at that) is that I have been experiencing
periods of confusion and yes, dimentia. If I might, let me express my
sadness that after 55 years of hamming, I have really messed up!
My apologies to all.
73
George
WA5KBH

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 6:20 PM Kevin Zari <kk4yel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Were you operating simplex on AO-91?
> a bunch of stations including me came back to you. You were also TX on top
> of people who were already in QSO, adding to the confusion that a weekend
> FM bird already has.
> Hope to work you sometime soon
> -Kevin
>
>

-- 
George Carr
Certified Chip Carving Instructor
Amateur Radio Station - WA5KBH

From revjwo at att.net  Sat Aug  3 20:47:49 2019
From: revjwo at att.net (BeetleJerald Oliver)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 20:47:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500
References: <697695849.763295.1564865269982.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <697695849.763295.1564865269982@mail.yahoo.com>

Well, it finally happened....After 14 years, my Yaesu G-5500 rotator blew a fuse......I think it is just the controller, but not sure yet.Any suggestions beside the obvious yaesu repair facility?? I will be down until I get it fixed......
Jerry...KJ4EU

From rcoaic at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 00:03:58 2019
From: rcoaic at gmail.com (Shane MacPhillamy)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:03:58 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] FPGA iCEBreaker Workshop - digital communications
 for amateur satellites
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2UYRGrK+gNE+-5=e9_5c5qgCYs=PdaZkWTRsQVKsOaMqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2UYRGrK+gNE+-5=e9_5c5qgCYs=PdaZkWTRsQVKsOaMqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <425194C8-426D-442F-9F6E-A68C45B981D8@gmail.com>

Hi Michelle

I?m in VK, I?d love to have access to the materials, please, as they are published.

I?m unlikely to be able to make it to an in person event.

Cheers, Shane
VK3BJK

> On 4 Aug 2019, at 7:11 am, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings all!
> 
> Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs) are one of three fundamental types
> of digital architectures used for communications R&D.
> 
> The others are general purpose processors and graphical processing units
> (GPUs).
> 
> This fall, in San Diego, California, there will be an FPGA course sponsored
> by Open Research Institute. There are 10 spots with amateur space
> communications as the focus of the work.
> 
> FPGAs are a primary technology in modern satellite communications. They're
> used in R&D and in deployment.
> 
> It is difficult to get started with FPGA design for several reasons. The
> tools have traditionally been proprietary. The companies that make the
> tools price them for large corporations to buy. Coursework for FPGA design
> is rare.
> 
> This is where iCEBreaker makes a difference.
> 
> An iCEBreaker Workshop 10 pack has been made available, and arrived today.
> This kit is described at this link
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/1bitsquared/icebreaker-fpga
> 
> We (me and a few other local volunteers) will use this hardware to put on a
> course for anyone interested in amateur radio satellite and terrestrial
> development. All course materials will be published.
> 
> The first course will be in San Diego. If you're in the area, please get in
> touch! MakerPlace and CoLab are the likely sites.
> 
> Later workshops could be at places like Symposium, Xenia, or Hamcation. The
> full course cannot be accomplished in a day, but a workshop could get the
> basics across and provide a substantial boost to motivated amateur
> satellite engineering volunteers.
> 
> Let me know what you think!
> 
> more soon,
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From tjschuessler at verizon.net  Sun Aug  4 00:34:54 2019
From: tjschuessler at verizon.net (tjschuessler at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 19:34:54 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
Message-ID: <009e01d54a5c$6fe01220$4fa03660$@verizon.net>

The biggest satellite pirate was  "Captain Midnight" the guy who was able to
overpower the uplink signal for HBO on Hughes Galaxy 1 (If I remember
right).  This whole incident caused the FCC to enact rules that continuously
Identified the RF uplink (ATIS, Automatic Transmit ID System, I thing again
I am remembering right).  Every satellite uplink truck, flypack and
permanent site had to have uplinks capable of doing this.  Some were IDs
burned into the vertical interval, some as CW IDs.  

One of the first piracy solutions for both uplink and downlink was the
analog enription schemes that began to be popular in the later 1980s that
killed the TVRO C Band backyard dish industry.  


Tom, N5HYP

Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 09:34:08 -0700
From: Bryan Green <bryan at kl7cn.net>
To: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>
Cc: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org,	Ground Station
	<ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
Message-ID: <CBC405C1-CE4C-4F2E-8A45-DDDB7B0A8C7F at kl7cn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Perhaps he meant the Brazilian folk who commonly use the uncontrolled US
Navy satellites for communication:

https://www.wired.com/2009/04/fleetcom/

-- bag

Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan at kl7cn.net

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 09:30, Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:
> 
> The article you linked to was quite lengthy so I skimmed over it. From
what I can tell it?s all about receiving pay television programming. Cant
figure out how this applies to an amateur radio satellite. 
> 
> 73,
> Mike Diehl
> W8LID/VE6LID
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 07:28, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi All,
>> Just getting into this aspect of GEO satellite security...
>> I found this very informative, though old article about satellite 
>> pirates and their hacking techniques in the old days of satellite TV 
>> (ca. 1993)
>> 
>> Since any new ham GEO satellite might be an emolation of these earlier TV
satellites, it is imperative that some sort of security for the system might
be prudent.
>> 
>> http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/sat.pirates
>> 
>> Bernard,
>> KC9SGV
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available 
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
>> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>> Subscription settings: 
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available 
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



From cchunter3 at mindspring.com  Sun Aug  4 01:12:58 2019
From: cchunter3 at mindspring.com (christy hunter)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 18:12:58 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Awards Update
In-Reply-To: <5df6943b-5e50-9305-282c-1728aa81a29b@arrl.net>
References: <5df6943b-5e50-9305-282c-1728aa81a29b@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <a1283a3c-2821-332e-2a94-280857e3b3b1@mindspring.com>

Bruce, thanks for the update on awards program.

is there any update on the 'Friends of 50' award for those of us

who have qualified/applied for it earlier this year?

thanks for all your work on this program.

73

Christy KB6LTY


From yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  4 01:15:49 2019
From: yono_adisoemarta at yahoo.com (Yono Adisoemarta)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 08:15:49 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] MMSSTV with 9700
In-Reply-To: <000001d54a1e$41872d70$c4958850$@metrocast.net>
References: <CADQmrTEmpKmvp2yRx-NLcXmeoyy9MeswyEjuQYudYodxRn8aLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d54a1e$41872d70$c4958850$@metrocast.net>
Message-ID: <D5FE79F6-A091-4073-9398-7151F6DEC2FE@yahoo.com>

Under Option, select ?Setup MMSSTV(O)?, then select ?Misc? tab and set Device ID to the highest number. If no signal then change to the next lower one.

73 de Yono - YD0NXX 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2019, at 12:09 AM, Cal Spreitzer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> working


From cchunter3 at mindspring.com  Sun Aug  4 01:17:58 2019
From: cchunter3 at mindspring.com (christy hunter)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 18:17:58 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] BO-102 listed Sat in LoTW?
In-Reply-To: <CAOvopc_habnxBtbSc67ttx+v5W16qypw5cRmbmiVpSJLDscTAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOvopc_habnxBtbSc67ttx+v5W16qypw5cRmbmiVpSJLDscTAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <450b0d21-4e3f-fc92-6540-488bd9884d35@mindspring.com>

Will the new satellite BO-102 be eventually listed in LoTW?

73

Christy KB6LTY


From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sun Aug  4 01:30:07 2019
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 21:30:07 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] BO-102 listed Sat in LoTW?
In-Reply-To: <450b0d21-4e3f-fc92-6540-488bd9884d35@mindspring.com>
References: <CAOvopc_habnxBtbSc67ttx+v5W16qypw5cRmbmiVpSJLDscTAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<450b0d21-4e3f-fc92-6540-488bd9884d35@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <53FF2871-976E-466F-8FEC-C2E0B158FF48@mindspring.com>

I?ll ask my contact at ARRL to add it ASAP.

73, Drew KO4MA 

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:17 PM, christy hunter via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Will the new satellite BO-102 be eventually listed in LoTW?
> 
> 73
> 
> Christy KB6LTY
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 03:23:55 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 23:23:55 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
In-Reply-To: <009e01d54a5c$6fe01220$4fa03660$@verizon.net>
References: <009e01d54a5c$6fe01220$4fa03660$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKN=p0Y5UzHJB+vp7zrh41+edD6dPVKUPydjcuSWgk4M4g@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! I had never heard of this. The wikipedia article has a ton of
info about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Midnight_broadcast_signal_intrusion

Thanks for sharing.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:37 PM Tom Schuessler, N5HYP via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> The biggest satellite pirate was  "Captain Midnight" the guy who was able to
> overpower the uplink signal for HBO on Hughes Galaxy 1 (If I remember
> right).  This whole incident caused the FCC to enact rules that continuously
> Identified the RF uplink (ATIS, Automatic Transmit ID System, I thing again
> I am remembering right).  Every satellite uplink truck, flypack and
> permanent site had to have uplinks capable of doing this.  Some were IDs
> burned into the vertical interval, some as CW IDs.
>
> One of the first piracy solutions for both uplink and downlink was the
> analog enription schemes that began to be popular in the later 1980s that
> killed the TVRO C Band backyard dish industry.
>
>
> Tom, N5HYP
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 09:34:08 -0700
> From: Bryan Green <bryan at kl7cn.net>
> To: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com>
> Cc: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org, Ground Station
>         <ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite pirates.
> Message-ID: <CBC405C1-CE4C-4F2E-8A45-DDDB7B0A8C7F at kl7cn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>
> Perhaps he meant the Brazilian folk who commonly use the uncontrolled US
> Navy satellites for communication:
>
> https://www.wired.com/2009/04/fleetcom/
>
> -- bag
>
> Bryan KL7CN/W6
> bryan at kl7cn.net
>
> > On Aug 3, 2019, at 09:30, Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > The article you linked to was quite lengthy so I skimmed over it. From
> what I can tell it?s all about receiving pay television programming. Cant
> figure out how this applies to an amateur radio satellite.
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike Diehl
> > W8LID/VE6LID
> >
> >> On Aug 3, 2019, at 07:28, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi All,
> >> Just getting into this aspect of GEO satellite security...
> >> I found this very informative, though old article about satellite
> >> pirates and their hacking techniques in the old days of satellite TV
> >> (ca. 1993)
> >>
> >> Since any new ham GEO satellite might be an emolation of these earlier TV
> satellites, it is imperative that some sort of security for the system might
> be prudent.
> >>
> >> http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/sat.pirates
> >>
> >> Bernard,
> >> KC9SGV
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official views of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings:
> >> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From john at amber.org.uk  Sun Aug  4 07:36:21 2019
From: john at amber.org.uk (John)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 08:36:21 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500
In-Reply-To: <697695849.763295.1564865269982@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <697695849.763295.1564865269982.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<697695849.763295.1564865269982@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010c01d54a97$50088370$f0198a50$@amber.org.uk>

Hi Jerry,

What makes you suspect a fuse? Total controller power failure, or some other kind of symptoms?

The controller has a full wiring schematic in the documentation. I'd begin by popping the lid off the controller and having a look inside for anything obviously burnt out and any fuses you might see inside, then work methodically from there.

I can't think of any reason Yaesu would put a fuse in the motor unit, so if it's genuinely a blown fuse, you won't have to dismantle your antennas to get to the bottom of it!

73,
John (M5ET)

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of BeetleJerald Oliver via AMSAT-BB
Sent: 03 August 2019 21:48
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500

Well, it finally happened....After 14 years, my Yaesu G-5500 rotator blew a fuse......I think it is just the controller, but not sure yet.Any suggestions beside the obvious yaesu repair facility?  I will be down until I get it fixed......
Jerry...KJ4EU
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From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Aug  4 14:11:09 2019
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:11:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ICQ Podcast interview with AMSAT Treasurer and Past
 President Keith Baker KB1SF
References: <858794076.1131427.1564927869064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <858794076.1131427.1564927869064@mail.yahoo.com>

The popular ICQ Amateur Radio Podcast has been running for over 11 years and on August 4, 2019, the ICQ Podcast team released their 300th edition which features an interview with Treasurer and Past President of AMSAT Keith Baker KB1SF, listen at ?
https://amsat-uk.org/2019/08/04/amsat-in-300th-icq-podcast/

SSA defends 23cm band against Galileo threat 
https://amsat-uk.org/2019/08/01/ssa-defense-of-23cm-band-against-galileo-threat/
AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium Milton Keynes October 12-13 
https://amsat-uk.org/colloquium/

Trevor M5AKA
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From ke4al at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  4 15:15:39 2019
From: ke4al at yahoo.com (Robert Bankston)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 15:15:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AM1SAT Event  Sept 9-15, 2019
References: <2103242091.838523.1564931739774.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2103242091.838523.1564931739774@mail.yahoo.com>

AMSAT-EA will be on the air with the AM1SAT callsign from September 9 to 15 to celebrate IberRadio 2019.
The goal is to operate from every EA grid on all available satellites with the AM1SAT callsign.
Please visit https://www.amsat-ea.org/ for more info, or download the AM1SAT info sheet https://www.amsat-ea.org/app/download/11555713/AMSAT+EA+-+AM1SAT+CONTEST+RULES+2019.pdf

73,
Robert Bankston, KE4ALVice-President, User ServicesRadio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)

From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 17:56:36 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:56:36 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] FPGA iCEBreaker Workshop - digital communications
	for amateur satellites
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2UYRGrK+gNE+-5=e9_5c5qgCYs=PdaZkWTRsQVKsOaMqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2UYRGrK+gNE+-5=e9_5c5qgCYs=PdaZkWTRsQVKsOaMqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2W1yDfDhDezPCyQaPiDG5GT+GJR5J6o6Moyina6L+pLXw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you so much to all that have written me with enthusiasm, questions,
offers, and advice!

The level of interest in an online course is very high. This project was
made possible by a generous donation to Open Research Institute. ORI was
founded to be a Member Society of AMSAT, asked for this status over a year
ago, and is completely devoted to boosting AMSAT's open source efforts. If
you would like to see ORI become a Member Society of AMSAT, write the
current leadership and let them know.

Everyone involved with this effort is fully committed to publishing all the
course materials, but it looks like videos, online-friendly coursework, and
a mailing list would be very popular. We are going to have some meetings
over the next few weeks about how to accomplish this in addition to the
longer in-person classes and the shorter workshops at conferences.

The focus is firmly on open source digital space communications on the
amateur bands. There is plenty to work with here, and a lot of unrealized
potential. This makes this coursework very different from the other FPGA
courses and classes and training out there, which are in general very
expensive, aimed at proprietary industry solutions, and use proprietary and
expensive toolchains.

The action in the FPGA is at the baseband. Getting the symbols that are
produced by the FPGA up to the right frequency is outside the scope, or
"left to the reader as an exercise". There is a lot going on with
transversion, conversion, filtering, amplification, and antenna design.
While those techniques won't be covered, they are very important. Channel
sounding and the characteristics of space links directly inform what the
baseband needs to accomplish.

I was asked why I would do this. It is a lot of work, provided for free.

It goes back to the justification for each and every amateur radio license
granted in the United States.

The basis and purpose are:

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly
with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules
which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical
phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance
international goodwill.

Open source nails (e) because the open source carve out in ITAR/EAR is the
only legal way to collaborate internationally in amateur satellites. Being
conversant in modern engineering techniques in digital communications nails
(d). Knowing how to do things like tune an adaptive modcod link is exactly
what (c) is about. Mastering hardware description language for digital
communications is what (b) is about. Anything that puts more information
through limited bandwidth? Skills that put a satellite in orbit, available
for emergency use, than can't be trivially chunked to death by trolls?
That's (a).

That's why I and many others, are doing this.

More soon!
-Michelle W5NYV

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 2:11 PM Michelle Thompson <
mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings all!
>
> Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs) are one of three fundamental types
> of digital architectures used for communications R&D.
>
> The others are general purpose processors and graphical processing units
> (GPUs).
>
> This fall, in San Diego, California, there will be an FPGA course
> sponsored by Open Research Institute. There are 10 spots with amateur space
> communications as the focus of the work.
>
> FPGAs are a primary technology in modern satellite communications. They're
> used in R&D and in deployment.
>
> It is difficult to get started with FPGA design for several reasons. The
> tools have traditionally been proprietary. The companies that make the
> tools price them for large corporations to buy. Coursework for FPGA design
> is rare.
>
> This is where iCEBreaker makes a difference.
>
> An iCEBreaker Workshop 10 pack has been made available, and arrived today.
> This kit is described at this link
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/1bitsquared/icebreaker-fpga
>
> We (me and a few other local volunteers) will use this hardware to put on
> a course for anyone interested in amateur radio satellite and terrestrial
> development. All course materials will be published.
>
> The first course will be in San Diego. If you're in the area, please get
> in touch! MakerPlace and CoLab are the likely sites.
>
> Later workshops could be at places like Symposium, Xenia, or Hamcation.
> The full course cannot be accomplished in a day, but a workshop could get
> the basics across and provide a substantial boost to motivated amateur
> satellite engineering volunteers.
>
> Let me know what you think!
>
> more soon,
> -Michelle W5NYV
>

From skristof at etczone.com  Sun Aug  4 19:07:30 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 15:07:30 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-101?
Message-ID: <622ebabb110abc00dbc74a73679b7268@etczone.com>

Did anybody else try PO-101 just now (around 1900 UTC)? I didn't hear a
thing. I also tried calling but didn't hear myself and got no responses.


Steve AI9IN

From ki7unj at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 20:53:01 2019
From: ki7unj at gmail.com (KI7UNJ Tucker)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 13:53:01 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-101?
In-Reply-To: <622ebabb110abc00dbc74a73679b7268@etczone.com>
References: <622ebabb110abc00dbc74a73679b7268@etczone.com>
Message-ID: <CAPFr_UnMdxmQ0cCHAkdrOP4HwU_+HYi0+ijnCO_9vzJ8FnC6Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Offline this weekend due to an issue in the upload command

https://twitter.com/Diwata2PH/status/1157569166183813120?s=20

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 12:08 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Did anybody else try PO-101 just now (around 1900 UTC)? I didn't hear a
> thing. I also tried calling but didn't hear myself and got no responses.
>
>
> Steve AI9IN
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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-- 


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AMSAT Ambassador
https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ
http://bit.do/ki7unj
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From skristof at etczone.com  Sun Aug  4 21:09:57 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 17:09:57 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-101?
In-Reply-To: <CAPFr_UnMdxmQ0cCHAkdrOP4HwU_+HYi0+ijnCO_9vzJ8FnC6Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <622ebabb110abc00dbc74a73679b7268@etczone.com>
	<CAPFr_UnMdxmQ0cCHAkdrOP4HwU_+HYi0+ijnCO_9vzJ8FnC6Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ef56e7447f582a09602f3c8d08c946a@etczone.com>

Didn't see that Tweet. Thank you! 

Steve AI9IN

On 2019-08-04 4:53 pm, KI7UNJ Tucker wrote:

> Offline this weekend due to an issue in the upload command  
> 
> https://twitter.com/Diwata2PH/status/1157569166183813120?s=20 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 12:08 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote: 
> 
>> Did anybody else try PO-101 just now (around 1900 UTC)? I didn't hear a
>> thing. I also tried calling but didn't hear myself and got no responses.
>> 
>> Steve AI9IN
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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> -- 
> 
> Casey Tucker  KI7UNJ 
> AMSAT Ambassador 
> https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ 
> https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ 
> http://bit.do/ki7unj [1]
 

Links:
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From dukenuke at pixi.com  Mon Aug  5 00:30:56 2019
From: dukenuke at pixi.com (Robert Smith)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:30:56 -1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] UISS Satgate Mode
Message-ID: <C04114D7-A947-47F8-9AA5-6211DDF27F27@pixi.com>

Aloha

I recently obtained the UISS Satgate module. After downloading and installing I ran into several problems (self induced I am sure):

1. When trying to connect to satgate.aprsca.net:14580, I recv. the error message ?Can?t connect to Satgate.aprsca.net:14580.? This happens when using the ?Connect? command in the module.

In Prgm. settings the host is satgate.aprsca.net. The validation no. I am using is a 5 digit no. I recvd. from UIView many years ago (I had a viable satgate back when but discontinued for several years).

2. My ?normal? UISS no longer displays incoming traffic nor the digipeat of my packets in RED. This situation exists whether I am in UISS only or have both UISS and and the Satgate open.

3. I am able to view incoming packets with some accessory routines but wud like to get back to seeing those nice ?RED? incomings and obviously I would like a functional satgate

Any guidance appreciated.
Mahalo
Respectfully,
And 73
Robert, NH7WN
Honolulu  

Sent from my iPhone

From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 01:16:19 2019
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 21:16:19 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] UISS Satgate Mode
In-Reply-To: <C04114D7-A947-47F8-9AA5-6211DDF27F27@pixi.com>
References: <C04114D7-A947-47F8-9AA5-6211DDF27F27@pixi.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMY9Fd=fFUDKw-9yt0YK4YOD8qKzCHMyEDVP2YeWX6EEOsUjw@mail.gmail.com>

Robert,

 Try using noam.aprs2.net instead of satgate.aprsca.net

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S9

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 8:56 PM Robert Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Aloha
>
> I recently obtained the UISS Satgate module. After downloading and
> installing I ran into several problems (self induced I am sure):
>
> 1. When trying to connect to satgate.aprsca.net:14580, I recv. the error
> message ?Can?t connect to Satgate.aprsca.net:14580.? This happens when
> using the ?Connect? command in the module.
>
> In Prgm. settings the host is satgate.aprsca.net. The validation no. I am
> using is a 5 digit no. I recvd. from UIView many years ago (I had a viable
> satgate back when but discontinued for several years).
>
> 2. My ?normal? UISS no longer displays incoming traffic nor the digipeat
> of my packets in RED. This situation exists whether I am in UISS only or
> have both UISS and and the Satgate open.
>
> 3. I am able to view incoming packets with some accessory routines but wud
> like to get back to seeing those nice ?RED? incomings and obviously I would
> like a functional satgate
>
> Any guidance appreciated.
> Mahalo
> Respectfully,
> And 73
> Robert, NH7WN
> Honolulu
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Aug  2 20:04:12 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:04:12 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
	USNAP1)
In-Reply-To: <c839276b-5e1d-fc69-c869-865e23bc3924@gmail.com>
References: <0c6af1bd0e2eb2a3e73d1b91e5f6452d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6D23721181FD33F.1d95938b-d1a7-4abd-beab-47358e6909b1@mail.outlook.com>
	<c839276b-5e1d-fc69-c869-865e23bc3924@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a20fa0d26c2fbcfeb713cf9b8710853@mail.gmail.com>

PSAT2 was originally conceived 4 years ago as PSAT-2 in contrast to the
original PSAT.  But since we use PSAT when the digi is on, and PSAT-1 when
the digi is off, then it was a problem with what to do about PSAT-2.

So we put the "2" in the  name so we could use the SSID to indicatet a
change of state.  So PSAT2-1 is safemode with DIGI off and PSAT2 is the
callsign when the digi is on.  Jusst like PSAT-1 and PSAT.

Right now, the DIGI is off since the uplink is on 145.98 for DTMF-grid
experiment.

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 3:28 PM
To: FM Hillhouse Jr <fmhillhouse at comcast.net>; amsat bb
<amsat-bb at amsat.org>; Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space-Track TLEs now include PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 (aka
USNAP1)

Thanks, Fred.  GPredict has them now, though there are now two PSAT2s in the
database (other one is 44357).  PSAT2 vs the correct PSAT-2.  Note the dash.
One needs to do some serious hard drive spelunking to clear out the prior
information, so I'm just going to leave it there.

Greg  KO6TH


FM Hillhouse Jr via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
>
> The numbers are in this file. I  assume at this point they are correct.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Fred N7FMH
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:50 AM -0400, "Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB"
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Celestrak is adding PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 to their Amateur Radio TLE list.
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>
>
>
>
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Aug  5 12:51:02 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:51:02 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 DTMF messages now enabled
Message-ID: <0e47b63ac97546e69cd86889a8b00c9c@mail.gmail.com>

PY5LF pointed out that the DTMF grid uplink has been working fine on
PSAT2, and generating QSO numbers, but that the QSL response so people can
make two-way contacts was not working.

That was because we did not have DTMF Messaging enabled.  The QSL response
is a message and so we enabled that this morning.

To QSL a GRID QSO number you simply send back a message #40 with his QSO
number to complete the exchange.  See the other 90 or so DTMF messages on
PSAT2:

http://aprs.org/psat2.html

Bob, Wb4APR

From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Aug  5 13:18:48 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 09:18:48 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C
Message-ID: <004701d54b90$519b6550$f4d22ff0$@net>

CY9C is active on the linear birds. Just worked him on XW-2A..

 

73 Jeff kb2m


From kj9idave at charter.net  Mon Aug  5 13:23:53 2019
From: kj9idave at charter.net (David J. Schmocker)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:23:53 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C
In-Reply-To: <004701d54b90$519b6550$f4d22ff0$@net>
References: <004701d54b90$519b6550$f4d22ff0$@net>
Message-ID: <d216ebc9-565c-3350-2d1a-9a91cedd0986@charter.net>

Congratulations Jeff:
Nice catch (St. Paul Island DXpedition)!

73,

Dave KJ9I

On 8/5/19 8:18 AM, jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> CY9C is active on the linear birds. Just worked him on XW-2A..
>
>   
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From kb2ysi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 13:45:45 2019
From: kb2ysi at gmail.com (Don KB2YSI)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 09:45:45 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C
In-Reply-To: <d216ebc9-565c-3350-2d1a-9a91cedd0986@charter.net>
References: <004701d54b90$519b6550$f4d22ff0$@net>
	<d216ebc9-565c-3350-2d1a-9a91cedd0986@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CAAJiE8OESP-HQxjdWNikqAp3mKsBOCC8zaaP1DN1Ns_6BYxpsw@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations, tried hunting them all weekend.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 09:24 David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Congratulations Jeff:
> Nice catch (St. Paul Island DXpedition)!
>
> 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 8/5/19 8:18 AM, jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > CY9C is active on the linear birds. Just worked him on XW-2A..
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Jeff kb2m
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From kandelj at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  5 14:21:01 2019
From: kandelj at bellsouth.net (JOEL KANDEL)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 10:21:01 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor control box
Message-ID: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>

Has anyone ever been successful in just purchasing the control box without the rotor motor? If please let me know how to go about it.

Thank you in advance.
Joel, KI4T

Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second




From k8bl at ameritech.net  Mon Aug  5 14:48:34 2019
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 14:48:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] CY9C
In-Reply-To: <CAAJiE8OESP-HQxjdWNikqAp3mKsBOCC8zaaP1DN1Ns_6BYxpsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004701d54b90$519b6550$f4d22ff0$@net>
	<d216ebc9-565c-3350-2d1a-9a91cedd0986@charter.net>
	<CAAJiE8OESP-HQxjdWNikqAp3mKsBOCC8zaaP1DN1Ns_6BYxpsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1071006573.1190948.1565016514664@mail.yahoo.com>

 Since I already have it from a previous time, I won't try this time and?interfere with others who need it.?GL to those on the hunt!!? ? ? Bob? K8BL


    On Monday, August 5, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Congratulations, tried hunting them all weekend.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 09:24 David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Congratulations Jeff:
> Nice catch (St. Paul Island DXpedition)!
>
> 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 8/5/19 8:18 AM, jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > CY9C is active on the linear birds. Just worked him on XW-2A..
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Jeff kb2m
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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_______________________________________________
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are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From wa7fwf at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 14:51:37 2019
From: wa7fwf at gmail.com (Kevin)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 07:51:37 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor control box
In-Reply-To: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
References: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <f65ab64f-0714-49da-372a-80af45b9c6dc@gmail.com>

They are on Ebay once in awhile, there is a listing for 2 untested ones 
right now as a matter of fact.
Kevin wa7fwf


On 8/5/2019 7:21 AM, JOEL KANDEL via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Has anyone ever been successful in just purchasing the control box without the rotor motor? If please let me know how to go about it.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Joel, KI4T
>
> Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Aug  5 14:55:32 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 10:55:32 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-217 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - BRICSAT2
 and PSAT2 Designated Navy-OSCAR 103 (NO-103) and Navy-OSCAR 104 (NO-104)
Message-ID: <CABzOSOq6Ra0FBKaf-A60F8MA2JV6b5HDeEOnWGqQYJA4X1Nnuw@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN
ANS-217

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans

In this edition:

* BRICSAT2 and PSAT2 Designated Navy-OSCAR 103 (NO-103) and Navy-
OSCAR 104 (NO-104)

SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-217.01
ANS-217 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 217.01
 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE August 5, 2019
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-217.01

BRICSAT2 and PSAT2 Designated Navy-OSCAR 103 (NO-103) and Navy-
OSCAR 104 (NO-104)

On June 25, 2019, the United States Naval Academy PSAT2 and BRICSAT2
cubesats were launched on a Falcon Heavy launch vehicle from the
Kennedy Space Center in Florida. PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 were developed by
Naval Academy students in the USNA Satellite Lab and operated in
cooperation with the USNA Amateur Radio Club. PSAT2 carries a PSK31
transponder, digipeater, SSTV-downlinked camera images, and a DTMF to
voice/APRS system. BRICSAT2 carries a digipeater and thruster
experiment. Both satellites are currently active.

At the request of the Naval Academy Amateur Radio Club, AMSAT hereby
designates BRICSAT2 as Navy-OSCAR 103 (NO-103), and PSAT2 as Navy-
OSCAR 104 (NO-104). We congratulate the owners and operators, thank
them for their contribution to the amateur satellite community, and
wish them a long mission and continued success on this and future
projects.

73,

Drew Glasbrenner, KO4MA
AMSAT VP Operations / OSCAR Number Administrator

[ANS thanks AMSAT VP Operations / OSCAR Number Administrator Drew
Glasbrenner, KO4MA, for the above information.]

/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

73 and Remember to help Keep Amateur Radio in Space,

This week's ANS Contributing Editor,

Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
n8hm at amsat dot org

From garnere at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 15:04:27 2019
From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:04:27 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor control box
In-Reply-To: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
References: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CABqdsz_Qh7BkvmAsicsmD9qPy-r8qYd75o2=VL8fYs36Eh_X8Q@mail.gmail.com>

While I've never ordered one, HRO and DXE have  listings for a replacement
controller.

https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-012147

https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/ysu-a12900011


Eric KI7LTT

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:22 AM JOEL KANDEL via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Has anyone ever been successful in just purchasing the control box without
> the rotor motor? If please let me know how to go about it.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Joel, KI4T
>
> Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From garnere at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 15:08:18 2019
From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:08:18 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor control box
In-Reply-To: <CABqdsz_Qh7BkvmAsicsmD9qPy-r8qYd75o2=VL8fYs36Eh_X8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
	<CABqdsz_Qh7BkvmAsicsmD9qPy-r8qYd75o2=VL8fYs36Eh_X8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABqdsz_AGB7rR3xMqfuftwQ2+5LMWJB_P_qJEfJz4-BssiAfig@mail.gmail.com>

I hit send too quickly, I should have noted that the dxe listing appears to
have an incorrect part number in it. Sorry for the extra email.

Eric KI7LTT

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 8:04 AM Eric Garner <garnere at gmail.com> wrote:

> While I've never ordered one, HRO and DXE have  listings for a replacement
> controller.
>
> https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-012147
>
> https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/ysu-a12900011
>
>
> Eric KI7LTT
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:22 AM JOEL KANDEL via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever been successful in just purchasing the control box
>> without the rotor motor? If please let me know how to go about it.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Joel, KI4T
>>
>> Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>

From skristof at etczone.com  Mon Aug  5 16:31:35 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 12:31:35 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] 50th Anniversary awards question
Message-ID: <74c2e9939bcff7ee59c5ddbaff5d6f94@etczone.com>

For the "50TH ANNIVERSARY AMSAT SATELLITE FRIENDS OF 50 AWARD" do the
contacts have to be 50 different individuals (i.e. 50 different
callsigns) or just a contact with anybody on 50 different days (could be
a QSO with the same person on 50 different days)? 

Steve AI9IN

From richgussow at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  5 19:00:00 2019
From: richgussow at yahoo.com (Richard Gussow)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 19:00:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Spid rotor setup on Satpc32
References: <1101019749.1326783.1565031600535.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1101019749.1326783.1565031600535@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if someone can help me with an issue I am having with setting up Satpc32 and my Spid Ras rotor.? SatPC32 asks for a parallel port of 1-4 in the set up menu, while the Spid Ras controller set up a serial port (com port 8 in my case).? How do I reconcile the two?
Thanks,
Rich4Z1JJ

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Mon Aug  5 19:41:46 2019
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:41:46 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] LOTW update
Message-ID: <045b01d54bc5$d155f690$7401e3b0$@mindspring.com>

The ARRL updated LOTW to include BO-102, NO-103, and NO-104 this morning.
Happy logging!

 

73, Drew KO4MA


From erich.eichmann at t-online.de  Mon Aug  5 19:54:51 2019
From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 21:54:51 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Spid rotor setup on Satpc32
In-Reply-To: <1101019749.1326783.1565031600535@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1101019749.1326783.1565031600535.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1101019749.1326783.1565031600535@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1b5a7f69-bb32-cc9e-8d12-9f3e4f69eae3@t-online.de>

Hi Rich,
The LPT ports are only used with the old? parallel port interfaces 
(IF-100, FODTrack etc.). Open the list of supported rotor controllers at 
the top of menu 'Rotor Setup' and choose item 'AlfaSpid'.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 05.08.2019 um 21:00 schrieb Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB:
> Hi everyone,
> I was wondering if someone can help me with an issue I am having with setting up Satpc32 and my Spid Ras rotor.? SatPC32 asks for a parallel port of 1-4 in the set up menu, while the Spid Ras controller set up a serial port (com port 8 in my case).? How do I reconcile the two?
> Thanks,
> Rich4Z1JJ
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From corlissbs at aol.com  Mon Aug  5 20:09:17 2019
From: corlissbs at aol.com (Corlissbs)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:09:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT 50th Award
Message-ID: <0925B118-59A2-4A0C-B67F-ECCC1EC08289@aol.com>

 (For the "50TH ANNIVERSARY AMSAT SATELLITE FRIENDS OF 50 AWARD" do the
contacts have to be 50 different individuals (i.e. 50 different
callsigns) or just a contact with anybody on 50 different days (could be
a QSO with the same person on 50 different days)? )

I asked AMSAT that question and never received an answer. So, I sent in list of days with the same people. That makes sense to me, because it is a different day. But I never received my award either.

Brad Smith KC9UQR 

Sent from Brad?s iPad

From ki7unj at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 21:22:55 2019
From: ki7unj at gmail.com (KI7UNJ Tucker)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 14:22:55 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT 50th Award
In-Reply-To: <0925B118-59A2-4A0C-B67F-ECCC1EC08289@aol.com>
References: <0925B118-59A2-4A0C-B67F-ECCC1EC08289@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAPFr_UnD+72SPf5p1DX-VtPpVFD0_LK3ri5CuAva6SfD0TCgmA@mail.gmail.com>

Brad and Steve,

Bruce posted about this back in March

https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2019-March/072345.html

Short answer... work the same person 50 days in a row it counts.

Personally, I went for the 50 Different Ops over 50 days, it was a fun
opportunity, and made me really get out there on the birds.


73

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:10 PM Corlissbs via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>  (For the "50TH ANNIVERSARY AMSAT SATELLITE FRIENDS OF 50 AWARD" do the
> contacts have to be 50 different individuals (i.e. 50 different
> callsigns) or just a contact with anybody on 50 different days (could be
> a QSO with the same person on 50 different days)? )
>
> I asked AMSAT that question and never received an answer. So, I sent in
> list of days with the same people. That makes sense to me, because it is a
> different day. But I never received my award either.
>
> Brad Smith KC9UQR
>
> Sent from Brad?s iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


-- 


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From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Aug  5 21:41:57 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:41:57 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-217.02 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - 50th
 Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced,
 Tickets Now Available
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrz65EYDS8tzk+3zu5RwY2=FZgAVnLvhDjePF7uiY3=ww@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN
ANS-217.02

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans

In this edition:

* 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced,
Tickets Now Available

SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-217.02
ANS-217.02 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 217.02
 From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE August 5, 2019
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-217.02

50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced,
Tickets Now Available

AMSAT is pleased to announce that the AMSAT Symposium Saturday Evening
Banquet on Saturday, October 19th will feature a panel of guest
speakers presenting ?The Foundations of AMSAT? followed by a question
and answer period. Guest speakers will include:

Lance Ginner, K6GSJ (Project OSCAR)
George Jacobs, W3ASK (Author, Diplomat)
Dr. Perry Klein, W3PK (Founding President of AMSAT)
Dr. Owen Mace (Australis-OSCAR 5 Builder, University of Melbourne)
Richard Tonkin (Australis-OSCAR 5 Builder, University of Melbourne)
Jan King, W3GEY (Founding member of AMSAT and Australis-OSCAR 5
Project Manager)

The 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium and General Meeting will be
held on Friday through Sunday, October 18-20, 2019, in Arlington,
Virginia at The Hilton Arlington. Symposium registration is available
for $60 from now until September 15th. Banquet tickets are $55.
Tickets are now available on the AMSAT Store at
https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-symposium/

Tickets are also now available for the Sunday tour. On Sunday, October
20th, a bus tour will take attendees to the the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy
Center, an annex of the National Air and Space Museum. Two large
hangars display thousands of aviation and space artifacts, including a
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird, a Concorde, and the Space Shuttle Discovery.
Bus capacity is limited to 35 attendees. Tickets are $30 per person.
Attendees who wish to drive may also join the tour group. Parking at
the Udvar-Hazy Center is $15.

On Monday, October 21st, AMSAT President Joe Spier, K6WAO, will lead
a walking tour of the National Mall. No reservations are required.
Transportation to the National Mall will be via the Washington Metro.

Additional information, including hotel reservation information is
available at https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium/

[ANS thanks the AMSAT Office for the above information]

/EX

In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

73 and Remember to help Keep Amateur Radio in Space,

This week's ANS Contributing Editor,

Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
n8hm at amsat dot org

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  5 22:10:29 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 22:10:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
References: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>

... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?
Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that" would be nice.? I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)
Ev, W2EV

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Mon Aug  5 22:19:43 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:19:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
In-Reply-To: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fd40d0b7-cd1e-2f3c-27cb-0051255913bb@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-05 17:10, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> ... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?
> Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that" would be nice.? I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)

Ev,

The current ITAR interpretation precludes an "open project plan". If you 
want to contribute, volunteer 
(https://www.amsat.org/volunteer-for-amsat). However, don't volunteer 
just to find out what AMSAT is up to; that's not helpful and you can't 
tell anyone outside of the ITAR group anyway. Wait until the yearly data 
dump at the Symposium (https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium).

Rather than rehashing that which has been said before, I'd point you 
toward the AMSAT archives:

https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2009-September/date.html

Start reading Bob's message about "ITAR sucks" and then keep reading.

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From dgbartholomew at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 23:03:24 2019
From: dgbartholomew at gmail.com (David Bartholomew)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 16:03:24 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT 50th Award
Message-ID: <CAMfCzcyNiDNtFfJdonJsvjMYA9VcwAsh79MRfrCeT83WbMuNxw@mail.gmail.com>

OK. So I qualified and I've assembled my list of fifty contact-days.
Now what, does this award need pre-approval?  Or just go for the award, pay
and include the list?

Dave AD7DB

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  5 23:23:57 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 23:23:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
In-Reply-To: <fd40d0b7-cd1e-2f3c-27cb-0051255913bb@pobox.com>
References: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
	<fd40d0b7-cd1e-2f3c-27cb-0051255913bb@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <1934475246.1277966.1565047437800@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Zach.? ITAR has already been shown to be addressable (see amsat.org's page on project status and the Phase 3E bird).

I'm asking if anyone in authority at AMSAT is willing to post a project plan with work breakdown that has some sort of status and contact name for each item; like:"Done", "in progress" and "need help" (more status types are needed...this is just an opening suggestion).


No "non-disclosure" details needed.? Just "steps to success" and "status". Then...allow the "resources of the crowd" kick in.

Ev

    On Monday, August 5, 2019, 6:21:19 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 On 2019-08-05 17:10, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> ... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?
> Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that" would be nice.? I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)

Ev,

The current ITAR interpretation precludes an "open project plan". If you 
want to contribute, volunteer 
(https://www.amsat.org/volunteer-for-amsat). However, don't volunteer 
just to find out what AMSAT is up to; that's not helpful and you can't 
tell anyone outside of the ITAR group anyway. Wait until the yearly data 
dump at the Symposium (https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium).

Rather than rehashing that which has been said before, I'd point you 
toward the AMSAT archives:

https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2009-September/date.html

Start reading Bob's message about "ITAR sucks" and then keep reading.

--- Zach
N0ZGO
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From aj9n at aol.com  Mon Aug  5 23:38:31 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 23:38:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-05 22:30
	UTC
References: <1920832880.1273044.1565048311929.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1920832880.1273044.1565048311929@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-05 22:30 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Kyoto Tachibana Junior & Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan, direct via 8N3KT 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-08 10:36:37 UTC 56 deg

?

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD (***)

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS (***) 

The scheduled astronaut is Luca Parmitano KF5KDP 

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg (***)

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-05 22:30 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-07-27 22:00 UTC. 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 135

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1325. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1268. 

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Aug  5 23:45:10 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 19:45:10 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
In-Reply-To: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALdCfN+0JzHspkr3N8-MVT11J7aHB9hOpvJgNXeYjctN7ybLtA@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)

Well, Ill take a crack at it.
1) Find individuals that can find launch partnering opportunities.
2) Find individuals that can find money

Nothing happens in any volunteer organization by organizing and making
lists of things for other people to do.  The only way that progress is made
in volunteer organizations is by getting behind those individuals who are
in the right place at the right time and with the energy and interest to
take something on.  Then support them.

Volunteers are motivated when they have somethign of value and can
contribute actual progress and then are given support by others to follow
that lead.  Very little gets accomplished by wasted energy trying to push
others into action.  The action in a hobby comes from within,
unfortunately...   Generally speaking that is.  There are exceptions.  But
start with #1 and #2, and the rest will follow.

> > Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that"
would be nice.

The more practical note with a better chance of getting done would say
"yes, I think that would be a great thing for you to look into" would be
more practical...

The point being, if you have an idea, then do it.   I have found in Ham
radio that just tossing up and idea for others to do never goes anywhere.
Better to think of ways to move forward and do it one's self then see if
anyone follows.

>... in pursuing a more open project plan that would
> make it easier  for those with personal skill, resources
> or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?

I'd say the plan is wide open to anyone that can move forward with an idea
and bring home the bacon...

Bob, Wb4APR

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  5 23:48:20 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] The pure-budget based approach
References: <696212209.1268821.1565048900060.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <696212209.1268821.1565048900060@mail.yahoo.com>

It dawned on me that the present culture at AMSAT (and elsewhere) may not support a transparent "resources of the crowd" collaborative approach. (Duh, right? Lol).

Here's an entirely different pathway to success:

With the goal of getting the AMSAT-DL Phase 3E bird into orbit (as an example), publish the required money and start actively fund raising.

To be clear, the required money can't be "millions of dollars" it has to be unambiguous; like $9,242,200.

Then, hire a grant writer and a fund-raising organization with the existing AMSAT budget (a small amount of money leverages much more money).

If the present AMSAT budget is not sufficient, then determine how much money it will take to hire them and fund-raise for that from friends and family (AMSAT members and enthusiastic non-members).

Post a fund raising "thermometer" on AMSAT.org and the world can watch the success grow before their eyes!


Ev, W2EV

PS: maybe a hybrid approach?? I'd bet that there's someone on this list who's 6-degrees of separation can get to Bezos or Musk to help to reduce even that budget.

PPS: I have an idea that could provide incentive to either of these guys, if they could be reached...but "what are the chances, really"? :-)


From ki7unj at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 00:56:41 2019
From: ki7unj at gmail.com (KI7UNJ Tucker)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:56:41 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT 50th Award
In-Reply-To: <CAMfCzcyNiDNtFfJdonJsvjMYA9VcwAsh79MRfrCeT83WbMuNxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMfCzcyNiDNtFfJdonJsvjMYA9VcwAsh79MRfrCeT83WbMuNxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPFr_Um6R5by2j=5gPBbSQGmbYwarfAQX0Ar9=w=_BowvFFQDA@mail.gmail.com>

David,

To apply for this award, visit the AMSAT 50th Anniversary Award section in
the AMSAT Online Store and select the 50th Anniversary AMSAT Satellite
Friends of 50 Award.

https://www.amsat.org/product/50th-anniversary-amsat-satellite-friends-of-50-award/

In the comment section, enter or copy and paste the required log
information, which must include:
(1) Date, (2) UTC time, (3) Satellite name, and (4) Station worked.


KI7UNJ

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:04 PM David Bartholomew via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> OK. So I qualified and I've assembled my list of fifty contact-days.
> Now what, does this award need pre-approval?  Or just go for the award, pay
> and include the list?
>
> Dave AD7DB
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From wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  6 02:14:37 2019
From: wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com (Mark Thompson)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 02:14:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL/TAPR DCC - Call for Technical Presentations & Papers
In-Reply-To: <469148717.1184207.1565028528023@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1727715849.1178427.1565028176302.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1727715849.1178427.1565028176302@mail.yahoo.com>
	<469148717.1184207.1565028528023@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1887321510.1299434.1565057677685@mail.yahoo.com>


 2019 ARRL/TAPR DCC?(Digital Communications Conference)?
Detroit, MI (near airport)?
September 20 - 22

 Call for Technical Presentations & Papers




 Technical Presentations & Papers are solicited for presentation at the ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference and publication in the Conference Proceedings.?


 Annual conference proceedings are published by the ARRL. 
 Presentation at the conference is not required for publication.?




A Technical Paper is not required to make a Technical Presentation at DCC.?

If interested in making a Technical Presentation please contact TAPR President, Steve Bible, N7HPR at steven.bible at gmail.com?




 Submission of technical papers are due by August 12, 2019 and should be submitted to: 
 Maty Weinberg, ARRL
 225 Main Street
 Newington, CT 06111

 or via the Internet to maty at arrl.org


 Full Details on Call for Papers & Submission Guidelines at: 
 https://www.tapr.org/dcc#dcccallforpapers


    

From camsat at vip.163.com  Tue Aug  6 06:14:43 2019
From: camsat at vip.163.com (Alan Kung)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 14:14:43 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [amsat-bb] CAS-7B Will return today
Message-ID: <683c7c29.63bf.16c6590cb6c.Coremail.camsat@vip.163.com>

Hello,


The CAS-7B will return to the atmosphere today, CAMSAT is looking forward to obtaining CW telemetry data for this period.  


Thank you in advance!

73!
Alan, BA1DU


--
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From jim at milnet.uk.net  Tue Aug  6 07:12:27 2019
From: jim at milnet.uk.net (Jim Heck)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:12:27 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1/AO73 Operations - Satellite entering continous
	sunlight mode
Message-ID: <C49960A7ED704445B5B1F5511D931DE2@jimPC2>

Hi Folks,
FUNCube-1/AO-73 is due to enter continuous sunlight in a few days time and the operations team have decided to set the satellite to full time education mode (full power beacon with NO transponder, no eclipse auto switching).  One of the effects of this is that the temperature of the satellite will increase.
This will allow us to follow the effects of continuous sunlight more easily, and also in theory should keep the satellite cooler (more energy radiated from the structure as RF)
We predict that the satellite will start experiencing eclipses again on approximately 7 May 2020.
We may put the satellite back into transponder mode while it is in continuous sunlight, and if we plan to do this we will make an announcement here

73
Jim
G3WGM and the FUNcube team

From ok2gz at seznam.cz  Tue Aug  6 09:01:29 2019
From: ok2gz at seznam.cz (ok2gz)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:01:29 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] inquiry about new version of G5500 rotator with DC motor
In-Reply-To: <fb988f58-de84-ff74-30f7-7ca93dee227c@ok2gz.eu>
References: <fb988f58-de84-ff74-30f7-7ca93dee227c@ok2gz.eu>
Message-ID: <130d9628-e752-277b-6baa-93478e98e31c@seznam.cz>

I want to buy a G5500 rotator, but I learned that only the DC motor 
version is now produced.
Older versions of the G5500 have AC motors.

Does anyone have experience with the new G5500 with DC? I am afraid of 
possible interference with reception, especially weak satellite signals.

I have experience with the AC version that is fine.

Yaesu says that interference from the G5500 with DC is suppressed, but 
the best is its own experience.

Thanks for all the information.

73 Jarda ok2gz



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From hamsat at xs4all.nl  Tue Aug  6 12:42:23 2019
From: hamsat at xs4all.nl (Nico Janssen)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 14:42:23 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Lunar-OSCAR 94 SK
Message-ID: <edf79a61-d30d-5a08-7379-b56561210c26@xs4all.nl>


Lunar-OSCAR 94 (a.k.a. LongJiang 2 and DSLWP-B) crashed onto the
far side of the Moon on July 31 around 14:08 UTC, ending its very
successful amateur radio mission around the Moon.

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/2019/longjiang-2-impacts-moon.html

73,
Nico PA0DLO


From n1uw at gokarns.com  Tue Aug  6 13:08:09 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:08:09 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
In-Reply-To: <CALdCfN+0JzHspkr3N8-MVT11J7aHB9hOpvJgNXeYjctN7ybLtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CALdCfN+0JzHspkr3N8-MVT11J7aHB9hOpvJgNXeYjctN7ybLtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001d54c57$ff0e9870$fd2bc950$@gokarns.com>

Greetings, All.

An announcement was made in the AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletin 186
(July 6, 2019) that the Board of Directors elected Frank Karnauskas,
N1UW as Vice President - Development.  That would be me.

In the roughly thirty days I have had this position I have drafted a
comprehensive  development plan that include grant writing, marketing
and public relations.  The draft is undergoing review and updates as I
go through the process of interviewing Board members and senior
officers to ascertain that the plan meets the strategic and tactical
goals of the organization.  The plan includes the basis for a Youth
Initiative that I believe will be critically important in our fund
raising efforts.  We are surveying likely U.S. government agencies as
well as private philanthropic foundations that are likely sources of
grant money.

I expect that the initial plan will be ready to share with AMSAT
membership for comments and suggestions.  Until then, keep the faith.

Cheers,
Frank

FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
VICE PRESEIDENT - DEVELOPMENT
AMSAT - THE RADIO AMATEUR SATELLITE CORPORATION
1402 SUMMIT SHORES DR.
BURNSVILLE, MN 55306
N1UW at GOKARNS.com
612-644-9174


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:45 PM
To: amsat bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...

> I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)

Well, Ill take a crack at it.
1) Find individuals that can find launch partnering opportunities.
2) Find individuals that can find money

Nothing happens in any volunteer organization by organizing and making
lists of things for other people to do.  The only way that progress is
made
in volunteer organizations is by getting behind those individuals who
are
in the right place at the right time and with the energy and interest
to
take something on.  Then support them.

Volunteers are motivated when they have somethign of value and can
contribute actual progress and then are given support by others to
follow
that lead.  Very little gets accomplished by wasted energy trying to
push
others into action.  The action in a hobby comes from within,
unfortunately...   Generally speaking that is.  There are exceptions.
But
start with #1 and #2, and the rest will follow.

> > Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into
that"
would be nice.

The more practical note with a better chance of getting done would say
"yes, I think that would be a great thing for you to look into" would
be
more practical...

The point being, if you have an idea, then do it.   I have found in
Ham
radio that just tossing up and idea for others to do never goes
anywhere.
Better to think of ways to move forward and do it one's self then see
if
anyone follows.

>... in pursuing a more open project plan that would
> make it easier  for those with personal skill, resources
> or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?

I'd say the plan is wide open to anyone that can move forward with an
idea
and bring home the bacon...

Bob, Wb4APR
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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From w2ev at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  6 16:21:35 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:21:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Lunar-OSCAR 94 SK
In-Reply-To: <edf79a61-d30d-5a08-7379-b56561210c26@xs4all.nl>
References: <edf79a61-d30d-5a08-7379-b56561210c26@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1669744080.1491446.1565108495732@mail.yahoo.com>

 On an unrelated note, lunar "residents" were gathering pieces of debris as officials arrived with a small casket.? The Lunar News reports it was nothing but a weather balloon.


    On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 08:43:46 AM EDT, Nico Janssen via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 
Lunar-OSCAR 94 (a.k.a. LongJiang 2 and DSLWP-B) crashed onto the
far side of the Moon on July 31 around 14:08 UTC, ending its very
successful amateur radio mission around the Moon.

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/2019/longjiang-2-impacts-moon.html

73,
Nico PA0DLO

_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
  

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  6 17:01:50 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 17:01:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
In-Reply-To: <003001d54c57$ff0e9870$fd2bc950$@gokarns.com>
References: <830300998.1268805.1565043029582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<830300998.1268805.1565043029582@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CALdCfN+0JzHspkr3N8-MVT11J7aHB9hOpvJgNXeYjctN7ybLtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001d54c57$ff0e9870$fd2bc950$@gokarns.com>
Message-ID: <8408269.1510309.1565110910275@mail.yahoo.com>

 BRILLIANT!? Frank, your addition to the team will likely mark a pivotal point for AMSAT.
Thank you for your desire to make a difference and here's hoping that you will let us know about areas where enthusiastic supporters can help you, too!
Ev, W2EV

    On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 09:12:23 AM EDT, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Greetings, All.

An announcement was made in the AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletin 186
(July 6, 2019) that the Board of Directors elected Frank Karnauskas,
N1UW as Vice President - Development.? That would be me.

In the roughly thirty days I have had this position I have drafted a
comprehensive? development plan that include grant writing, marketing
and public relations.? The draft is undergoing review and updates as I
go through the process of interviewing Board members and senior
officers to ascertain that the plan meets the strategic and tactical
goals of the organization.? The plan includes the basis for a Youth
Initiative that I believe will be critically important in our fund
raising efforts.? We are surveying likely U.S. government agencies as
well as private philanthropic foundations that are likely sources of
grant money.

I expect that the initial plan will be ready to share with AMSAT
membership for comments and suggestions.? Until then, keep the faith.

Cheers,
Frank

FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
VICE PRESEIDENT - DEVELOPMENT
AMSAT - THE RADIO AMATEUR SATELLITE CORPORATION
1402 SUMMIT SHORES DR.
BURNSVILLE, MN 55306
N1UW at GOKARNS.com
612-644-9174


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:45 PM
To: amsat bb
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...

> I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)

Well, Ill take a crack at it.
1) Find individuals that can find launch partnering opportunities.
2) Find individuals that can find money

Nothing happens in any volunteer organization by organizing and making
lists of things for other people to do.? The only way that progress is
made
in volunteer organizations is by getting behind those individuals who
are
in the right place at the right time and with the energy and interest
to
take something on.? Then support them.

Volunteers are motivated when they have somethign of value and can
contribute actual progress and then are given support by others to
follow
that lead.? Very little gets accomplished by wasted energy trying to
push
others into action.? The action in a hobby comes from within,
unfortunately...? Generally speaking that is.? There are exceptions.
But
start with #1 and #2, and the rest will follow.

> > Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into
that"
would be nice.

The more practical note with a better chance of getting done would say
"yes, I think that would be a great thing for you to look into" would
be
more practical...

The point being, if you have an idea, then do it.? I have found in
Ham
radio that just tossing up and idea for others to do never goes
anywhere.
Better to think of ways to move forward and do it one's self then see
if
anyone follows.

>... in pursuing a more open project plan that would
> make it easier? for those with personal skill, resources
> or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?

I'd say the plan is wide open to anyone that can move forward with an
idea
and bring home the bacon...

Bob, Wb4APR
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From richgussow at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  6 18:11:44 2019
From: richgussow at yahoo.com (Richard Gussow)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 18:11:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Spid rotor setup on Satpc32
In-Reply-To: <1b5a7f69-bb32-cc9e-8d12-9f3e4f69eae3@t-online.de>
References: <1101019749.1326783.1565031600535.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1101019749.1326783.1565031600535@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1b5a7f69-bb32-cc9e-8d12-9f3e4f69eae3@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <1873896744.1847402.1565115104608@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Erich,
First of all, thank you for developing such a great program.? Secondly, thank you for personally responding to my query.? Sorry my reply is a bit delayed, but work took priority (I guess I have the wrong priorities).
I chose AlphaSpid and stored that, exited the program through File/Quit. I restarted and that didn't work.? ?I then used the Search button located in the Rotor Setup menu.? It came up with 2 files under the Spid directory:? ROTSERVPOS.SQF and SPIDPARAM.SQF.? I selected the first one, stored, exited and upon restart, I received the message that it could not find file ROTSERVPOS.EXE.? I then selected the second one, and upon restart I received a message that it could not find SPIDPARAM.EXE.? I did a search of my PC? and could not find either of these files anywhere.? Should they have been installed during the setup?? Should I do a reinstall of the program?
Any suggestions from you or anyone else on the great forum would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rich 4Z1JJ


    On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:54:50 PM GMT+3, Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at t-online.de> wrote:  
 
 Hi Rich,
The LPT ports are only used with the old? parallel port interfaces 
(IF-100, FODTrack etc.). Open the list of supported rotor controllers at 
the top of menu 'Rotor Setup' and choose item 'AlfaSpid'.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 05.08.2019 um 21:00 schrieb Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB:
> Hi everyone,
> I was wondering if someone can help me with an issue I am having with setting up Satpc32 and my Spid Ras rotor.? SatPC32 asks for a parallel port of 1-4 in the set up menu, while the Spid Ras controller set up a serial port (com port 8 in my case).? How do I reconcile the two?
> Thanks,
> Rich4Z1JJ
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From mat_62 at charter.net  Tue Aug  6 23:50:45 2019
From: mat_62 at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 19:50:45 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Budget approach
In-Reply-To: <mailman.382.1565053013.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
References: <mailman.382.1565053013.5961.amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <ec483110-33f0-683f-649b-6f67d5215776@charter.net>

Ahh geez, here goes someone making sense again! Don't you hate it when 
they do that?!

Michael, W4HIJ


It dawned on me that the present culture at AMSAT (and elsewhere) may not support a transparent "resources of the crowd" collaborative approach. (Duh, right? Lol).

Here's an entirely different pathway to success:

With the goal of getting the AMSAT-DL Phase 3E bird into orbit (as an example), publish the required money and start actively fund raising.

To be clear, the required money can't be "millions of dollars" it has to be unambiguous; like $9,242,200.

Then, hire a grant writer and a fund-raising organization with the existing AMSAT budget (a small amount of money leverages much more money).

If the present AMSAT budget is not sufficient, then determine how much money it will take to hire them and fund-raise for that from friends and family (AMSAT members and enthusiastic non-members).

Post a fund raising "thermometer" on AMSAT.org and the world can watch the success grow before their eyes!


Ev, W2EV

PS: maybe a hybrid approach?? I'd bet that there's someone on this list who's 6-degrees of separation can get to Bezos or Musk to help to reduce even that budget.

PPS: I have an idea that could provide incentive to either of these guys, if they could be reached...but "what are the chances, really"?



From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug  7 02:00:02 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 22:00:02 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Kyoto Tachibana Junior &
	Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan
Message-ID: <493F44530A4E48CFAD584852B7562C60@DHJ>

 

 

 

 

 

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Kyoto Tachibana Junior & Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan on 08 Aug. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 10:36 UTC. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be direct between NA1SS and 8N3KT. The contact should be audible over the country of Japan and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

It is Kyoto Tachibana junior & senior high school opened to the "Fushimi Kyoto".  The 115th anniversary of foundation was celebrated two years ago. We have about 1100 students. We have many activities and experience to realize "Independent and Community Life".

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:

 

1. When is the most exciting time in space? 

2. What does space smell like? 

3. What impressed you most in space? 

4. When did you start to think you wanted to go to space? 

5. There are a lot of unmanned satellite in space, but why don't you 

   hit them? 

6. Have you ever seen the UFO? 

7. Which tastes better, the food we usually eat on earth, or space 

   food? 

8. How many personal items are astronauts allowed to take into space? 

9. How would you describe the space in one word? 

10. Please tell me about the differences in temperature between sun lit 

    and shaded areas outside of the space station? 

11. What would you do if you encountered aliens? 

12. Where would you prefer to live, in space or on the earth, if you 

    were to live in one place for your entire life? 

13. What is the best thing about being an astronaut? 

14. When you see the earth from space, is there any difference between 

    day and night? 

15. Do you believe in aliens? 

16. What is the thing you want to do the most after you get back to the 

    earth? 

17. What made you want to be an astronaut?  

18. Can you take away your stress get your energy back after you sleep 

    in space? 

19. What is earth like when it is night in Japan?

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the 

      International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

 

Next planned event(s):

 

  1. Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD

     The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 

     The scheduled astronaut is Luca Parmitano KF5KDP 

     Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC

 

 

 

About ARISS

 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS).  In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the ISS National Lab and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or public forms. Before and during these radio contacts, students, educators, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From aj9n at aol.com  Wed Aug  7 02:27:58 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 02:27:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-07 02:30
	UTC
References: <1758453029.1670692.1565144878427.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1758453029.1670692.1565144878427@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-07 02:30 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Kyoto Tachibana Junior & Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan, direct via 8N3KT 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-08 10:36:37 UTC 56 deg

?

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 

The scheduled astronaut is Luca Parmitano KF5KDP 

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg 

Watch for live stream at www.ariotti.com starting about 15 min before AOS. (***)

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-07 02:30 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-07-27 22:00 UTC. 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 135

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1325. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1268. 

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 03:02:26 2019
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 15:02:26 +1200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Next Rocketlab launch (number 8) due 16 August
Message-ID: <A5950E5EE61648FF84E4A00E96B19F27@OsbornesPC>

Next Rocketlab launch is scheduled for 16 August 12:57 UTC.
See: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/missions/next-mission/

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC 

From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 03:48:35 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 20:48:35 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Theseus Cores PFB Channelizer - update!
Message-ID: <CACvjz2VcxdzaED-vi_ojU-OP3r41c=SsW04xR+tB0qhNUM5QrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good news. The Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank channelizer is
working.

The channel 0 timeouts, which were a vexing problem, seem to be gone thanks
to hard work from EJ Kreinar and Phillip Vallance.

This particular part is vital for FDMA to TDM type payloads and groundsats.
Having a fast, efficient, open source implementation that works in GNU
Radio is a big step forward.

We are taking the entire setup with us to DEFCON. We are using a linux
computer and a USRP. Experiments so far have been on the VHF ham bands and
FM broadcast. Next step, move it up to microwave and demonstrate Phase 4
Ground channelization.

If you're at DEFCON, come by and see us in ham radio village! There's a
license exam session, demonstrations, presentations, and lots of
socializing.

More soon!
-Michelle W5NYV

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 04:29:34 2019
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 21:29:34 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Theseus Cores PFB Channelizer - update!
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2VcxdzaED-vi_ojU-OP3r41c=SsW04xR+tB0qhNUM5QrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2VcxdzaED-vi_ojU-OP3r41c=SsW04xR+tB0qhNUM5QrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <783fed46-286e-7003-7121-f4ef2804f63e@gmail.com>

Great work, Michelle!

But tell me, is a "Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank
channelizer" anything like an "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator"?

What does this thing do, for those who don't speak Martian?

Greg  KO6TH



Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Good news. The Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank channelizer is
> working.
>
> The channel 0 timeouts, which were a vexing problem, seem to be gone thanks
> to hard work from EJ Kreinar and Phillip Vallance.
>
> This particular part is vital for FDMA to TDM type payloads and groundsats.
> Having a fast, efficient, open source implementation that works in GNU
> Radio is a big step forward.
>
> We are taking the entire setup with us to DEFCON. We are using a linux
> computer and a USRP. Experiments so far have been on the VHF ham bands and
> FM broadcast. Next step, move it up to microwave and demonstrate Phase 4
> Ground channelization.
>
> If you're at DEFCON, come by and see us in ham radio village! There's a
> license exam session, demonstrations, presentations, and lots of
> socializing.
>
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From ve3hls at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 05:23:35 2019
From: ve3hls at gmail.com (Kenneth P Alexander)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 12:23:35 +0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Theseus Cores PFB Channelizer - update!
In-Reply-To: <783fed46-286e-7003-7121-f4ef2804f63e@gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2VcxdzaED-vi_ojU-OP3r41c=SsW04xR+tB0qhNUM5QrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<783fed46-286e-7003-7121-f4ef2804f63e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPOM0dmSDVsBAWwd+vbf-AWEJogVPWd5Lm+i8yPFeDXLKMYS7A@mail.gmail.com>

Those channel 0 timeouts have been vexing me for ages! ?

Ken,
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:  bueng-ken.com

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 11:31 Greg D via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Great work, Michelle!
>
> But tell me, is a "Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank
> channelizer" anything like an "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator"?
>
> What does this thing do, for those who don't speak Martian?
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
>
> Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Good news. The Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank channelizer is
> > working.
> >
> > The channel 0 timeouts, which were a vexing problem, seem to be gone
> thanks
> > to hard work from EJ Kreinar and Phillip Vallance.
> >
> > This particular part is vital for FDMA to TDM type payloads and
> groundsats.
> > Having a fast, efficient, open source implementation that works in GNU
> > Radio is a big step forward.
> >
> > We are taking the entire setup with us to DEFCON. We are using a linux
> > computer and a USRP. Experiments so far have been on the VHF ham bands
> and
> > FM broadcast. Next step, move it up to microwave and demonstrate Phase 4
> > Ground channelization.
> >
> > If you're at DEFCON, come by and see us in ham radio village! There's a
> > license exam session, demonstrations, presentations, and lots of
> > socializing.
> >
> > More soon!
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 05:44:15 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 22:44:15 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Theseus Cores PFB Channelizer - update!
In-Reply-To: <783fed46-286e-7003-7121-f4ef2804f63e@gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2VcxdzaED-vi_ojU-OP3r41c=SsW04xR+tB0qhNUM5QrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<783fed46-286e-7003-7121-f4ef2804f63e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2Us-E-Rbodw7ptw7GjYsxT=f3nROnbp0kbkUfnPYNjRGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hee! One of my all time favorites.

A channelizer splits up a section of bandwidth into channels.

Now, there's several ways to do this. Some are simple. Like, one filter
that is switched to a new center frequency. It only lets you tune to one
channel at a time, but it's cheap and reliable. Some are very high
performance, but are expensive in all sorts of ways. There is of course all
sorts of trade-offs.

A filter bank is a set of filters that each pick out a channel from the
spectrum you're interested in. Filter banks range from simple sets of
hardware filters to complex software filters.

Polyphase filter banks are a digital signal processing technique where you
get sharply-defined channels, with flat response, and very little signal
leaking out to mess up the adjacent channels.

This bank of receivers comes to life by calculating a sequence of fast
fourier transforms (FFT) on overlapping segments of the input data stream.

OK so that means you need an input data stream. This assumes you have a
good digital sample of your spectrum. The samples are flying at you and you
are going to take overlapping subsets of this data stream and you are going
to do an FFT on each of those segments. The overlapping part is super
important.

An FFT is a math technique that converts time series into frequency series.
You can invert it and get the original time series back again from the
frequency.

So we have overlapping segments of data in time, and we zap them with FFTs
into segments of frequency. But! We can't just do this however we want,
though. We need the segments to line up so that the resulting channels
automatically cancel out parts of the signal that would otherwise interfere
with each other. Energy is really uncooperative.

It's like trying to direct a parade. You don't want any gaps but you can't
have floats banging into each other.

So once we've got the number of channels and the overlapping and the
weighting figured out, and if we use fast enough circuits, then we have
very fast efficient channelizers that can be implemented in FPGAs and ASICs.

Usually, these types of channelizers are implemented in powers of two (2,
4, 8, 16, 32 etc.). But, you don't have to do it that way. You can have an
arbitrary number of channels, it's just less efficient to not use a power
of two.

Usually, the channels are all the same size. That's the simplest and
easiest way to do it. But, there is at least one method to set up a
channelizer with different channel sizes in the same bank! Some can be
large and some small.

Since polyphase filter banks are digital and can be built using
reconfigurable devices like FPGAs, they can be changed in the field. Say
you have more users than expected, or need the channels to be larger. Or
the FCC says to move over. Or, you have a system that can sense incumbent
users of the spectrum and adjust or adapt to those users, no matter where
in the world your radio is turned on.

For any system that receives channels separated into different frequencies,
and is converting all those channels into something like digital frames or
digital data, a polyphase filter bank channelizer is almost always the best
choice.

-Michelle W5NYV




On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great work, Michelle!
>
> But tell me, is a "Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank
> channelizer" anything like an "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator"?
>
> What does this thing do, for those who don't speak Martian?
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
>
> Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Good news. The Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank channelizer is
> > working.
> >
> > The channel 0 timeouts, which were a vexing problem, seem to be gone
> thanks
> > to hard work from EJ Kreinar and Phillip Vallance.
> >
> > This particular part is vital for FDMA to TDM type payloads and
> groundsats.
> > Having a fast, efficient, open source implementation that works in GNU
> > Radio is a big step forward.
> >
> > We are taking the entire setup with us to DEFCON. We are using a linux
> > computer and a USRP. Experiments so far have been on the VHF ham bands
> and
> > FM broadcast. Next step, move it up to microwave and demonstrate Phase 4
> > Ground channelization.
> >
> > If you're at DEFCON, come by and see us in ham radio village! There's a
> > license exam session, demonstrations, presentations, and lots of
> > socializing.
> >
> > More soon!
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 05:50:12 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 22:50:12 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Theseus Cores PFB Channelizer - update!
In-Reply-To: <CAPOM0dmSDVsBAWwd+vbf-AWEJogVPWd5Lm+i8yPFeDXLKMYS7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2VcxdzaED-vi_ojU-OP3r41c=SsW04xR+tB0qhNUM5QrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<783fed46-286e-7003-7121-f4ef2804f63e@gmail.com>
	<CAPOM0dmSDVsBAWwd+vbf-AWEJogVPWd5Lm+i8yPFeDXLKMYS7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2VH-F21Lg-DqS9RJ48k-LLiuRmZPG_z_hxnYRYxAyp8XQ@mail.gmail.com>

They were quite vexing. Nothing quite like an error message that tells you
precisely zero.

I don't know what the exact root cause was. It was pretty deep in the FPGA
design that Phillip and EJ have been working on.

There was a separate conundrum with the length of the packets after
everything is divided up into channels. Too large, and the entire thing
fails. Too small, and you're wasting time in overhead.

-Michelle W5NYV




On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Those channel 0 timeouts have been vexing me for ages! ?
>
> Ken,
> So Phisai, Thailand
> Blog:  bueng-ken.com
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 11:31 Greg D via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> Great work, Michelle!
>>
>> But tell me, is a "Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank
>> channelizer" anything like an "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator"?
>>
>> What does this thing do, for those who don't speak Martian?
>>
>> Greg  KO6TH
>>
>>
>>
>> Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > Good news. The Theseus Cores RFNoC polyphase filter bank channelizer is
>> > working.
>> >
>> > The channel 0 timeouts, which were a vexing problem, seem to be gone
>> thanks
>> > to hard work from EJ Kreinar and Phillip Vallance.
>> >
>> > This particular part is vital for FDMA to TDM type payloads and
>> groundsats.
>> > Having a fast, efficient, open source implementation that works in GNU
>> > Radio is a big step forward.
>> >
>> > We are taking the entire setup with us to DEFCON. We are using a linux
>> > computer and a USRP. Experiments so far have been on the VHF ham bands
>> and
>> > FM broadcast. Next step, move it up to microwave and demonstrate Phase 4
>> > Ground channelization.
>> >
>> > If you're at DEFCON, come by and see us in ham radio village! There's a
>> > license exam session, demonstrations, presentations, and lots of
>> > socializing.
>> >
>> > More soon!
>> > -Michelle W5NYV
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
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From richgussow at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  7 06:43:27 2019
From: richgussow at yahoo.com (Richard Gussow)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 06:43:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with Spid rotor setup on Satpc32
In-Reply-To: <adb24dc0-5716-062c-31f9-a9d5d4c452ee@t-online.de>
References: <1101019749.1326783.1565031600535.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1101019749.1326783.1565031600535@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1b5a7f69-bb32-cc9e-8d12-9f3e4f69eae3@t-online.de>
	<1873896744.1847402.1565115104608@mail.yahoo.com>
	<adb24dc0-5716-062c-31f9-a9d5d4c452ee@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <653259571.2110138.1565160207470@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Everyone,
I wanted to thank Erich and the rest of the members here for the help in getting my Alpha Spid rotor working with SatPC32.? Erich's responses solved the problem and the rotor and software are now working together.??
Rich 4Z1JJ


    On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 11:58:18 PM GMT+3, Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at t-online.de> wrote:  
 
  
Hi Rich,
 after choosing AlphaSpid in the list of supported controllers press the UPPER 'Store' button. I suppose you clicked the 'Store' button at the bottom of the menu. Try that again, then restart SatPC32. If it still works SatPC32 will start ServerSpid and display it as symbol in the taskbar. Click on the symbol to display the program normally for further settings? (COM port etc.)
 
If that doesn't work (because you used already the 'Search' button): The file you need is ServerSpid.exe in the sub folder Spid of the SatPC32 program folder. To choose it open menu 'Rotor Setup' and click 'Search'. Then navigate to C:\Program Files(x86)\SatPC32\Spid\ServerSpid.exe and double click on the file name. Then click the upper Store button and restart SatPC32.? 
 
 The attached screenshot shows the path to ServerSpid.exe on this Laptop.
 
 73s. Erich, DK1TB
 
 Am 06.08.2019 um 20:11 schrieb Richard Gussow:
  
 
 Hi Erich, 
  First of all, thank you for developing such a great program.? Secondly, thank you for personally responding to my query.? Sorry my reply is a bit delayed, but work took priority (I guess I have the wrong priorities). 
  I chose AlphaSpid and stored that, exited the program through File/Quit. I restarted and that didn't work.? ?I then used the Search button located in the Rotor Setup menu.? It came up with 2 files under the Spid directory:? ROTSERVPOS.SQF and SPIDPARAM.SQF.? I selected the first one, stored, exited and upon restart, I received the message that it could not find file ROTSERVPOS.EXE.? I then selected the second one, and upon restart I received a message that it could not find SPIDPARAM.EXE.? I did a search of my PC? and could not find either of these files anywhere.? Should they have been installed during the setup?? Should I do a reinstall of the program? 
  Any suggestions from you or anyone else on the great forum would be greatly appreciated. 
  Thanks, 
  Rich 4Z1JJ 
  
  
      On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:54:50 PM GMT+3, Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at t-online.de> wrote:  
  
   Hi Rich,
 The LPT ports are only used with the old? parallel port interfaces 
 (IF-100, FODTrack etc.). Open the list of supported rotor controllers at 
 the top of menu 'Rotor Setup' and choose item 'AlfaSpid'.
 
 73s, Erich, DK1TB
 
 Am 05.08.2019 um 21:00 schrieb Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB:
 > Hi everyone,
 > I was wondering if someone can help me with an issue I am having with setting up Satpc32 and my Spid Ras rotor.? SatPC32 asks for a parallel port of 1-4 in the set up menu, while the Spid Ras controller set up a serial port (com port 8 in my case).? How do I reconcile the two?
 > Thanks,
 > Rich4Z1JJ 
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From ok2gz at seznam.cz  Wed Aug  7 09:30:56 2019
From: ok2gz at seznam.cz (ok2gz)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 11:30:56 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] question for G5500DC owner
Message-ID: <966cfc6e-a635-6862-4862-a77f8791d853@seznam.cz>

I need to buy G5500 rotator. But now Yaesu produces G5500 with DC motors 
only, instead of AC in previous versions.

My question is for owner of the new G5500 with DC motor.
When DC motor in G5500 is working (turning) ,will noise increase in 
reciever (detectably, noticeably, can be weak)? (or other kind of 
interferece ?)

Which kind of DC motor is in G500? used ? - with commutator, or brushless ?

I am asking, because I had bad experience with some DC rotator (but it 
was not from YAESU!).

I have experience with G5500 which has AC motors. There is no problem..

73

 ??? Jarda ok2gz





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From n3cal at md.metrocast.net  Wed Aug  7 12:27:57 2019
From: n3cal at md.metrocast.net (Cal Spreitzer)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:27:57 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] question for G5500DC owner
In-Reply-To: <966cfc6e-a635-6862-4862-a77f8791d853@seznam.cz>
References: <966cfc6e-a635-6862-4862-a77f8791d853@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <001e01d54d1b$8c034d20$a409e760$@md.metrocast.net>

Hi Jarda, 

I do not see or hear any noise on RX while my new G5500 rotor is moving.  I'm using ICOM IC-9700 which has waterfall display so you can see any noise but I have not noticed anything.  I'm working both Linear and FM birds fine and receive is fine while rotor is auto tracking.  

73 de Cal/N3CAL

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Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 5:31 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] question for G5500DC owner

I need to buy G5500 rotator. But now Yaesu produces G5500 with DC motors 
only, instead of AC in previous versions.

My question is for owner of the new G5500 with DC motor.
When DC motor in G5500 is working (turning) ,will noise increase in 
reciever (detectably, noticeably, can be weak)? (or other kind of 
interferece ?)

Which kind of DC motor is in G500  used ? - with commutator, or brushless ?

I am asking, because I had bad experience with some DC rotator (but it 
was not from YAESU!).

I have experience with G5500 which has AC motors. There is no problem..

73

     Jarda ok2gz





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From w3ab at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  7 20:04:28 2019
From: w3ab at yahoo.com (GEO Badger)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 20:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 rotor control box
In-Reply-To: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
References: <78B3AB35-E51F-444D-9DE9-0E842AE590A0@bellsouth.net>
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I did it, I believe from HRO. Or ebay. I forget.
---? 
 Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side. ?? 
 GEO ??? 

 http://www.w3ab.org

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. 

    On Monday, August 5, 2019, 07:22:19 AM PDT, JOEL KANDEL via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Has anyone ever been successful in just purchasing the control box without the rotor motor? If please let me know how to go about it.

Thank you in advance.
Joel, KI4T

Traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second



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From n6hpx1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 22:43:07 2019
From: n6hpx1 at gmail.com (Larry Fields)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 22:43:07 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] sonate satellite
Message-ID: <CAMP_dyLRmWFa0n45+aJEYQuKH1o1okQex6JZCV=7w-cFfODa3g@mail.gmail.com>

Just curious has anyone heard anything from it yet and if not how soon do
they normally make it mentioned. Just checking

*Thanks and 73*
*Larry Fields: du1/n6hpx*
Manila PHILIPPINES

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From corlissbs at aol.com  Thu Aug  8 14:53:35 2019
From: corlissbs at aol.com (Brad Smith)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 14:53:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplux Radio?
References: <2064658719.2151769.1565276015936.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2064658719.2151769.1565276015936@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if the Wouxin 8D radio is capable of full duplux for satelite use?? Brad Smith KC9UQR


From dgbartholomew at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 16:13:58 2019
From: dgbartholomew at gmail.com (David Bartholomew)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 09:13:58 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT 50th Award
Message-ID: <CAMfCzczTg-0JAHX2Sr+L5-YtS4RPJPRD1EQyi-aLT89yy79nMg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, I will get on it.

BTW, I know those special signed goldenrod certificates for the other award
(50th Anniversary Communications Achievement) are probably long gone, but
is the award itself still available?

Dave AD7DB


KI7UNJ wrote:

David,

To apply for this award, visit the AMSAT 50th Anniversary Award section in
the AMSAT Online Store and select the 50th Anniversary AMSAT Satellite
Friends of 50 Award.
https://www.amsat.org/product/50th-anniversary-amsat-satellite-friends-of-50-award/

In the comment section, enter or copy and paste the required log
information, which must include:
(1) Date, (2) UTC time, (3) Satellite name, and (4) Station worked.


KI7UNJ

From kd6yam at amsat.org  Thu Aug  8 16:14:38 2019
From: kd6yam at amsat.org (Martin Cooper)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 09:14:38 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplux Radio?
In-Reply-To: <2064658719.2151769.1565276015936@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2064658719.2151769.1565276015936.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2064658719.2151769.1565276015936@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGEtHiK3XFLSsGMkV+pCciX90JbuP+wgs4M+czmdTCi7KBSXqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brad,

Assuming you mean the Wouxun KG-UV8D, Patrick Stoddard (WD9EWK) posted
a report on this list some time ago that you may find helpful:

AO-85 and Wouxun KG-UV8D, full-duplex - report (long)
https://amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2015-November/056254.html

Martin.
KD6YAM

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:57 AM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the Wouxin 8D radio is capable of full duplux for satelite use?  Brad Smith KC9UQR
>
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From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug  8 16:34:51 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:34:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplux Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CAGEtHiK3XFLSsGMkV+pCciX90JbuP+wgs4M+czmdTCi7KBSXqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2064658719.2151769.1565276015936.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2064658719.2151769.1565276015936@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAGEtHiK3XFLSsGMkV+pCciX90JbuP+wgs4M+czmdTCi7KBSXqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <765be568-8793-80e1-28bf-a1205047766a@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-08 11:14, Martin Cooper via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Assuming you mean the Wouxun KG-UV8D, Patrick Stoddard (WD9EWK) posted
> a report on this list some time ago that you may find helpful:

It also seems that Wouxun, on a small sample set of 2, meets 97.307 
Emission standards:

https://sites.google.com/site/k6bezprojects/ht-harmonic-output-testing

The UV-5R, however, did not.

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From ke4al at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  8 16:42:24 2019
From: ke4al at yahoo.com (Robert Bankston)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT 50th Award
In-Reply-To: <CAMfCzczTg-0JAHX2Sr+L5-YtS4RPJPRD1EQyi-aLT89yy79nMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMfCzczTg-0JAHX2Sr+L5-YtS4RPJPRD1EQyi-aLT89yy79nMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <342746720.2844345.1565282544974@mail.yahoo.com>

David,
The?Oscar Satellite Communications Achievement Award, along with the higher level?Oscar Sexagesimal and?Oscar Century awards, are always available.
Please visit?https://www.amsat.org/awards-2/?for more information.
73,
Robert Bankston, KE4ALVice-President, User ServicesRadio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)    On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 11:14:59 AM CDT, David Bartholomew via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Thank you, I will get on it.

BTW, I know those special signed goldenrod certificates for the other award
(50th Anniversary Communications Achievement) are probably long gone, but
is the award itself still available?

Dave AD7DB


KI7UNJ wrote:

David,

To apply for this award, visit the AMSAT 50th Anniversary Award section in
the AMSAT Online Store and select the 50th Anniversary AMSAT Satellite
Friends of 50 Award.
https://www.amsat.org/product/50th-anniversary-amsat-satellite-friends-of-50-award/

In the comment section, enter or copy and paste the required log
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From wa9wud at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 17:20:27 2019
From: wa9wud at gmail.com (Alan Blind)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 13:20:27 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
Message-ID: <CADYce2KdnkEkQ_Xkenv9LoPkFYQFbMd2TKgKFK07bdQM6X9vyA@mail.gmail.com>

New to Satellites and SatPC32.

Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for sorting
the list.  I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.  When I select, the list
stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.

What am I doing wrong?

From aj9n at aol.com  Fri Aug  9 04:01:48 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 04:01:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-09 04:00
	UTC
References: <764033536.2350224.1565323308398.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <764033536.2350224.1565323308398@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-09 04:00 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

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Kyoto Tachibana Junior & Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan, direct via 8N3KT 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact was successful: Thu 2019-08-08 10:36:37 UTC 56 deg (***)

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Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV (***)

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg 

Watch for live stream at www.ariotti.comstarting about 15 min before AOS. 

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

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The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-09 04:00 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

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http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

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The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-09 04:00 UTC. (***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

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?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

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Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

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ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

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Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

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For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

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ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

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Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

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All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

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Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

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Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

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Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

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?

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ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 (***)

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

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The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1326. (***)

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1269. (***)

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

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A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

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Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

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ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

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****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

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https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

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Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

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Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

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73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

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From wa9wud at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 10:03:51 2019
From: wa9wud at gmail.com (Alan Blind)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 06:03:51 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
In-Reply-To: <1259952541.2365619.1565323772169@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CADYce2KdnkEkQ_Xkenv9LoPkFYQFbMd2TKgKFK07bdQM6X9vyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1259952541.2365619.1565323772169@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADYce2L+qb93vMZqqASsjOAMfQAmmUU3QE2CqFitJLwz_mK8_A@mail.gmail.com>

Umesh

Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.  -  :\Program Files
(x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"

Another observation.  When I use one of the groups included in the
SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.  However, when I customize a
group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??

Alan

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug at sbcglobal.net <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Works fine here,
>
> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>
> Umesh
> k6vug
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>
> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for sorting
> the list.  I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.  When I select, the list
> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From wa9wud at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 11:47:10 2019
From: wa9wud at gmail.com (Alan Blind)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 07:47:10 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
In-Reply-To: <1c1f5939-b56e-3303-2404-be45f1733729@gmx.de>
References: <1c1f5939-b56e-3303-2404-be45f1733729@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CADYce2LC5awYeeiiz+Xi__GkH2v4A3CprKT9MRza1OQiYByH7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Erich.  Thanks for the response.

Here is my custom list.  I believe these are all Low Earth Sats..

AO-07, AO-73, AO-91, AO-92, CAS-4A, CAS-4B, IO-86, SO-50, XW-2A, XW-2B,
XW-2C, XW-2F.

I believe some may not have complete data sets....could that be causing the
failure to sort?  If so, how do I identify the culprit?

Alan

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:39 AM Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
> QO-100, which does not rise and set but  is continously in range.
> When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
> longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical order). My
> friend LX1BB reports the same observation.
>
> 73s, Erich, DK1TB
>
> Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
> Umesh
>
> Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.  -  :\Program Files
> (x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"
>
> Another observation.  When I use one of the groups included in the
> SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.  However, when I customize a
> group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??
>
> Alan
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug at sbcglobal.net <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
> <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> Works fine here,
>
> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>
> Umesh
> k6vug
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>
> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for sorting
> the list.  I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.  When I select, the list
> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From wa9wud at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 12:00:32 2019
From: wa9wud at gmail.com (Alan Blind)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:00:32 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
In-Reply-To: <CADYce2LC5awYeeiiz+Xi__GkH2v4A3CprKT9MRza1OQiYByH7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c1f5939-b56e-3303-2404-be45f1733729@gmx.de>
	<CADYce2LC5awYeeiiz+Xi__GkH2v4A3CprKT9MRza1OQiYByH7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADYce2LB6DoidE-T66WeEqsCArQu5J37n8r6AhGRhz6z7E_OAg@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting....

I tried each of the pre-programmed groups to see if each would sort.  The
groups are standard, FM Repeaters, Linear 1 and Linear 2.

All would sort, except for FM Repeaters.  FM Repeaters would not sort for
AOS/LOS.

Sats in the FM group include SO-50, AO-85, AO-91, LILIACAST-2 (not included
in my custom list), and IO-86.  Could one or more of these Sats be the
problem?

Alan

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:47 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Erich.  Thanks for the response.
>
> Here is my custom list.  I believe these are all Low Earth Sats..
>
> AO-07, AO-73, AO-91, AO-92, CAS-4A, CAS-4B, IO-86, SO-50, XW-2A, XW-2B,
> XW-2C, XW-2F.
>
> I believe some may not have complete data sets....could that be causing
> the failure to sort?  If so, how do I identify the culprit?
>
> Alan
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:39 AM Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alan,
>> check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
>> QO-100, which does not rise and set but  is continously in range.
>> When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
>> longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical order). My
>> friend LX1BB reports the same observation.
>>
>> 73s, Erich, DK1TB
>>
>> Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
>> Umesh
>>
>> Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.  -  :\Program Files
>> (x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"
>>
>> Another observation.  When I use one of the groups included in the
>> SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.  However, when I customize a
>> group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug at sbcglobal.net <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
>> <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Works fine here,
>>
>> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
>> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>>
>> Umesh
>> k6vug
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>>
>> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for
>> sorting
>> the list.  I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.  When I select, the list
>> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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>>
>

From wa9wud at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 12:08:32 2019
From: wa9wud at gmail.com (Alan Blind)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:08:32 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
In-Reply-To: <CADYce2LB6DoidE-T66WeEqsCArQu5J37n8r6AhGRhz6z7E_OAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c1f5939-b56e-3303-2404-be45f1733729@gmx.de>
	<CADYce2LC5awYeeiiz+Xi__GkH2v4A3CprKT9MRza1OQiYByH7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADYce2LB6DoidE-T66WeEqsCArQu5J37n8r6AhGRhz6z7E_OAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADYce2LhtdDDSDNx3Sqj6jBeKbF8fGnMDgqVR0DvORQQ-Kbr8w@mail.gmail.com>

Found it.  IO-86 was the problem.  I removed IO-86 and the list now sorts
AOS/LOS.

Alan

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:00 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting....
>
> I tried each of the pre-programmed groups to see if each would sort.  The
> groups are standard, FM Repeaters, Linear 1 and Linear 2.
>
> All would sort, except for FM Repeaters.  FM Repeaters would not sort for
> AOS/LOS.
>
> Sats in the FM group include SO-50, AO-85, AO-91, LILIACAST-2 (not
> included in my custom list), and IO-86.  Could one or more of these Sats be
> the problem?
>
> Alan
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:47 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erich.  Thanks for the response.
>>
>> Here is my custom list.  I believe these are all Low Earth Sats..
>>
>> AO-07, AO-73, AO-91, AO-92, CAS-4A, CAS-4B, IO-86, SO-50, XW-2A, XW-2B,
>> XW-2C, XW-2F.
>>
>> I believe some may not have complete data sets....could that be causing
>> the failure to sort?  If so, how do I identify the culprit?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:39 AM Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
>>> QO-100, which does not rise and set but  is continously in range.
>>> When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
>>> longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical order). My
>>> friend LX1BB reports the same observation.
>>>
>>> 73s, Erich, DK1TB
>>>
>>> Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
>>> Umesh
>>>
>>> Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.  -  :\Program Files
>>> (x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"
>>>
>>> Another observation.  When I use one of the groups included in the
>>> SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.  However, when I customize
>>> a
>>> group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug at sbcglobal.net
>>> <k6vug at sbcglobal.net> <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Works fine here,
>>>
>>> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
>>> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>>>
>>> Umesh
>>> k6vug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>>>
>>> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for
>>> sorting
>>> the list.  I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.  When I select, the list
>>> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions
>>> expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 13:31:05 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:31:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
Message-ID: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>

Hi All, 
Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite into GEO orbit.
The cost is staggering.

Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/

Bernard,
KC9SGV


Sent from my iPad

From nss at mwt.net  Fri Aug  9 13:49:14 2019
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:49:14 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
In-Reply-To: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>
References: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e25f39a6-c6e1-0af8-1faa-e1699b9b847f@mwt.net>

I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from 
Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat 
only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi All,
> Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite into GEO orbit.
> The cost is staggering.
>
> Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From erich.eichmann at gmx.de  Fri Aug  9 11:39:46 2019
From: erich.eichmann at gmx.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 13:39:46 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
Message-ID: <1c1f5939-b56e-3303-2404-be45f1733729@gmx.de>

Hi Alan,
check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
QO-100, which does not rise and set but? is continously in range.
When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical order).
My friend LX1BB reports the same observation.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
Umesh

Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.? -? :\Program Files
(x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"

Another observation.? When I use one of the groups included in the
SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.? However, when I customize a
group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??

Alan

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug at sbcglobal.net <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Works fine here,
>
> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>
> Umesh
> k6vug
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>
> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for
> sorting
> the list.? I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.? When I select, the list
> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
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From wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc  Fri Aug  9 14:04:41 2019
From: wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 10:04:41 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
In-Reply-To: <e25f39a6-c6e1-0af8-1faa-e1699b9b847f@mwt.net>
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The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
orbit.  According to
https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
staggering.  Of course this is for a dedicated launch.  As a secondary
payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
some might call affordable :-) )  And if you have followed the Virginia
Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet.  Most commercial companies are not
too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
9 to GEO.

But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway?  Now that's going
to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!

73,

Burns WB1FJ

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
> Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
> only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
> On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
> satellite into GEO orbit.
> > The cost is staggering.
> >
> > Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
> existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
> >
> >
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
> >
> > Bernard,
> > KC9SGV
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 14:50:00 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:50:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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Hi Burns,
Interesting link !
Certainly way too expensive for a collective of hams to procure.

I was thinking more about existing infrastructure like the old 1970's U.S. Military coms sats that are now used mostly by Brazilian pirates, it seems.

If us U.S. Hams could be donated some legal bandwidth on these old decaying GEO sats for legal experimental and Emcomm use in the interim, why not ?
After all, we paid for these with our tax dollars.
Of course the uplink and downlink frequencies would presumably not be in the existing ham bands.
But Emcomm and emergency use per the FCC could be legal...maybe.
Another tool in our ham toolbox.
Like having old, modified military radios in your ham shack for ham band use.
See those at hamfests, all the time.

Maybe AMSAT NA has pursued this angle already.

Just wondering.

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit.  According to
> https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
> SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
> staggering.  Of course this is for a dedicated launch.  As a secondary
> payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
> some might call affordable :-) )  And if you have followed the Virginia
> Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
> geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet.  Most commercial companies are not
> too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
> AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
> 9 to GEO.
> 
> But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway?  Now that's going
> to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Burns WB1FJ
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
>> Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
>> only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
>> 
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
>> satellite into GEO orbit.
>>> The cost is staggering.
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
>> existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
>>> 
>>> Bernard,
>>> KC9SGV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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>>> 
>> 
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 14:54:29 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:54:29 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxWPWiohw54aYFRajUpBEq39aYE1YpNQvaqd2BQHkpMgCw@mail.gmail.com>
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Lunar Gateway.
What a cool idea.
5 and dime up and down, maybe.
Useable whenever you can see the moon.
Just point and send...
I am all for that.

KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit.  According to
> https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
> SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
> staggering.  Of course this is for a dedicated launch.  As a secondary
> payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
> some might call affordable :-) )  And if you have followed the Virginia
> Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
> geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet.  Most commercial companies are not
> too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
> AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
> 9 to GEO.
> 
> But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway?  Now that's going
> to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Burns WB1FJ
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
>> Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
>> only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
>> 
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
>> satellite into GEO orbit.
>>> The cost is staggering.
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
>> existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
>>> 
>>> Bernard,
>>> KC9SGV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
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>>> 
>> 
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From erich.eichmann at t-online.de  Fri Aug  9 15:14:02 2019
From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 17:14:02 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 and Satellites Question
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Alan,
yes, IO-86 causes the problem also here. It has an extremly? low 
inclination and will not be audible at your location at all.(the same 
here). If one (or more) of the selected sats has no AOS/LOS time because 
it is either always (geostationary sats) or never audible the CountDown 
window will no sort the sats by AOS/LOS? but only alphabetically.
If you have such situation check the selected satellite one by one - as 
you did - and remove the satellite that causes the problem or add it to 
another group.
To fix the issure will take a bit more time.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 09.08.2019 um 14:08 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
> Found it.  IO-86 was the problem.  I removed IO-86 and the list now sorts
> AOS/LOS.
>
> Alan
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:00 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting....
>>
>> I tried each of the pre-programmed groups to see if each would sort.  The
>> groups are standard, FM Repeaters, Linear 1 and Linear 2.
>>
>> All would sort, except for FM Repeaters.  FM Repeaters would not sort for
>> AOS/LOS.
>>
>> Sats in the FM group include SO-50, AO-85, AO-91, LILIACAST-2 (not
>> included in my custom list), and IO-86.  Could one or more of these Sats be
>> the problem?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:47 AM Alan Blind <wa9wud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erich.  Thanks for the response.
>>>
>>> Here is my custom list.  I believe these are all Low Earth Sats..
>>>
>>> AO-07, AO-73, AO-91, AO-92, CAS-4A, CAS-4B, IO-86, SO-50, XW-2A, XW-2B,
>>> XW-2C, XW-2F.
>>>
>>> I believe some may not have complete data sets....could that be causing
>>> the failure to sort?  If so, how do I identify the culprit?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:39 AM Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at gmx.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>> check whether one of the selected sats is a geostationary one, e.g.
>>>> QO-100, which does not rise and set but  is continously in range.
>>>> When I add QO-100 to the 'Selected' list, the Countown window does no
>>>> longer sort the sats by their AOS/LOS times (but in alphabetical order). My
>>>> friend LX1BB reports the same observation.
>>>>
>>>> 73s, Erich, DK1TB
>>>>
>>>> Am 09.08.2019 um 12:03 schrieb Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB:
>>>> Umesh
>>>>
>>>> Here is the path the SatPC32 installer defaulted to.  -  :\Program Files
>>>> (x86)\SatPC32\SatPC32ISS.exe"
>>>>
>>>> Another observation.  When I use one of the groups included in the
>>>> SatPC package, it sorts in the order of AOS.  However, when I customize
>>>> a
>>>> group by adding new Sats, the customized list no longer sorts??
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:09 AM k6vug at sbcglobal.net
>>>> <k6vug at sbcglobal.net> <k6vug at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Works fine here,
>>>>
>>>> the only thing I can think of is that, I hope SatPC32 is NOT installed
>>>> under any Windows folders like Program Files 32 or Documents etc.
>>>>
>>>> Umesh
>>>> k6vug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:21:07 AM PDT, Alan Blind via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> New to Satellites and SatPC32.
>>>>
>>>> Question - On the ?CountDown? accessory, there are two buttons for
>>>> sorting
>>>> the list.  I prefer to select ?AOS/LOS Times?.  When I select, the list
>>>> stays in the ?Ident/Letters? order.
>>>>
>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>> expressed
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From zmetzing at pobox.com  Fri Aug  9 15:15:04 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 10:15:04 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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On 2019-08-09 09:04, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit.

Looks like we have our price, folks. I'll be the first to chip in $25.

Only $249999975 to go.

:-)

--- Zach
N0ZGO



From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 16:41:01 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:41:01 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
Message-ID: <5d4da220.1c69fb81.839a.ea45@mx.google.com>

All,

Unless the sat happens to have a amateur radio assignment within it's bandpass (doubtful) they are of no use to us.?? Why all the tilting at windmills?

Sancho Panza

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone

On Aug 9, 2019 09:49, Joe via AMSAT-BB wrote: > > I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from > Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat > only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit. > > Joe WB9SBD > Sig > The Original Rolling Ball Clock > Idle Tyme > Idle-Tyme.com > http://www.idle-tyme.com > On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite into GEO orbit. > > The cost is staggering. > > > > Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on existing GEO satellites as an alternative ? > > > > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/ > > > > Bernard, > > KC9SGV > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From ve3nxk at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 16:51:03 2019
From: ve3nxk at gmail.com (Bill Booth)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 12:51:03 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
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References: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>
	<e25f39a6-c6e1-0af8-1faa-e1699b9b847f@mwt.net>
	<CABX7KxWPWiohw54aYFRajUpBEq39aYE1YpNQvaqd2BQHkpMgCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A59EF9F4-CE08-41DB-913A-F088090BCB3E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D4DA477.8020206@gmail.com>

On 2019-08-09 10:54 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Useable whenever you can see the moon.

Something like EME is now ??

-- 
Bill Booth VE3NXK
Sundridge ON, Canada
79.23.37 W x 45.46.18 N
FN05ns

Visit my weather WebCam at http://www.almaguin.com/wxcurrent/weather.html

Organ and Tissue Donation - The Gift of Life
Talk to your family.  Your decision can make a difference.

From rbutler at tsss.org  Sat Aug 10 12:02:19 2019
From: rbutler at tsss.org (Ryan Butler)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 07:02:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxWPWiohw54aYFRajUpBEq39aYE1YpNQvaqd2BQHkpMgCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>
	<e25f39a6-c6e1-0af8-1faa-e1699b9b847f@mwt.net>
	<CABX7KxWPWiohw54aYFRajUpBEq39aYE1YpNQvaqd2BQHkpMgCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGkenmdSfRn=9e9vgmKfgKjdgkT+Owt0RMwNu0wmzwVa-8rL=Q@mail.gmail.com>

That was also an expended rocket, mainly due to customer wanting to
preserve more satellite propellant for station keeping in the future.  A
payload on a landable F9 is typically cheaper, so I'm not sure much can be
gleaned from that article.

Ryan, NF0T


On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:05 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into
> orbit.  According to
> https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the
> SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as
> staggering.  Of course this is for a dedicated launch.  As a secondary
> payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which
> some might call affordable :-) )  And if you have followed the Virginia
> Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in
> geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet.  Most commercial companies are not
> too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the
> AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon
> 9 to GEO.
>
> But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway?  Now that's going
> to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
>
> 73,
>
> Burns WB1FJ
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from
> > Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat
> > only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
> >
> > Joe WB9SBD
> > Sig
> > The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> > Idle Tyme
> > Idle-Tyme.com
> > http://www.idle-tyme.com
> > On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
> > satellite into GEO orbit.
> > > The cost is staggering.
> > >
> > > Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
> > existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to-launch-israeli-satellite-3-years-after-explosion-destroyed-first-one/
> > >
> > > Bernard,
> > > KC9SGV
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
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> > >
> > >
> >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > expressed
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From n6hpx1 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 15:17:53 2019
From: n6hpx1 at gmail.com (Larry Fields)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 23:17:53 +0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Psat2 sstv
Message-ID: <CAMP_dy+mqrTcULJN0fDFdUDcOx+KmTPe3qSEoRFVZ=-_NnMrYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone tell me if its active I never catch a signal

From mjohns+K0JM at luther.edu  Sat Aug 10 16:01:50 2019
From: mjohns+K0JM at luther.edu (Mark D. Johns)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:01:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Psat2 sstv
In-Reply-To: <CAMP_dy+mqrTcULJN0fDFdUDcOx+KmTPe3qSEoRFVZ=-_NnMrYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMP_dy+mqrTcULJN0fDFdUDcOx+KmTPe3qSEoRFVZ=-_NnMrYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKCqnD+V3OvkupdAuDDUXZ4zZAEBjrXwkY0Zs-k0ztaho2frg@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.amsat.org/status/ suggests it's not working in APRS mode.
On August 5, Bob, WB4APR, reported that the satellite was in DTMF
mode.
--
Mark D. Johns
K?JM / M?GZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-K?MDJ
AMSAT Ambassador
Brooklyn Park, MN USA   EN35hd
-----------------------------------------------
"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,
   you would stay out and your dog would go in."
    ---Mark Twain


On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:18 AM Larry Fields via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if its active I never catch a signal
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 16:20:58 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:20:58 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid FM04 activation on 2019-08-10 - 1723 UTC - AO-91
	pass
Message-ID: <CALn0fKP0_sM3JPXu7PcxMXLotGZsX3v_hieNni2hoyVdjZw6Cg@mail.gmail.com>

I will be on the pass in $subject in about an hour.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

From bruninga at usna.edu  Sat Aug 10 18:59:16 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:59:16 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Psat2 sstv
In-Reply-To: <CAHKCqnD+V3OvkupdAuDDUXZ4zZAEBjrXwkY0Zs-k0ztaho2frg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMP_dy+mqrTcULJN0fDFdUDcOx+KmTPe3qSEoRFVZ=-_NnMrYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKCqnD+V3OvkupdAuDDUXZ4zZAEBjrXwkY0Zs-k0ztaho2frg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALdCfNK_yAohwnr9vR3PgFmg1UOuGRNtMZJ6cs-8F_99ah-TkQ@mail.gmail.com>

The live status of PSAT2 is easy to see on http://aprs.org/sats.html
select the link to the Telemetry-Last-24hrs
And  you can see the status just minutes ago.:

20190810 182731,PSAT2-1>APOFF...:T#060,704,041,910,741,162,11010001
The status bits tell you left to right:
1 = DTMF Grid Reporting is on
1 = Always on
0 = internal use
1 = DTMF Messages are on
0 = PSK31 and SSTV Camera are on (note, inverted)
0 = Digipeater is OFF
0 = APRS-to-Voice is off
1 = Internal use

This condition will remain until we get enough users to assess the DTMF
modes.
We invite people to play.  Lots of new and different modes.
With DTMF messages now on, one can QSL a grid report and make a 2way
contact.

Bob, WB4APR

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM Mark D. Johns via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> https://www.amsat.org/status/ suggests it's not working in APRS mode.
> On August 5, Bob, WB4APR, reported that the satellite was in DTMF
> mode.
> --
> Mark D. Johns
> K?JM / M?GZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-K?MDJ
> AMSAT Ambassador
> Brooklyn Park, MN USA   EN35hd
> -----------------------------------------------
> "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,
>    you would stay out and your dog would go in."
>     ---Mark Twain
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:18 AM Larry Fields via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if its active I never catch a signal
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From richgussow at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 10 19:10:54 2019
From: richgussow at yahoo.com (Richard Gussow)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 22:10:54 +0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and AO-92 mode L
Message-ID: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

Thanks again to Erich and everyone else who helped me get Satpc32 up and running.

I?d like to try to work AO-92 when it is in mode L. What is the best way to do this with Satpc32?  Change the frequency on the Doppler.SQF file?  

Thanks,

Rich 4Z1JJ 

Sent from my iPhone

From n1uw at gokarns.com  Sat Aug 10 23:55:42 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:55:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Weekly News Bulletin ANS-223; August 11, 2019
Message-ID: <000701d54fd7$1f268a00$5d739e00$@gokarns.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-223


The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and 
information service of AMSAT North America, The Radio
Amateur Satellite Corporation.  ANS publishes news related to Amateur
Radio in space including reports on the activities of a worldwide
group of Amateur Radio operators who share an active interest in 
designing, building, launching and communicating through analog and
digital Amateur Radio satellites.

The news feed on http://amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio 
in space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat dot org.


In this edition:

* 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced - 
  Tickets Now Available
* FUNcube-1/AO-73 Entering Continuous Sunlight
* ARRL/TAPR 2019 Digital Communications Conference Call for Papers 
* BRICSAT2 and PSAT2 Get OSCAR Designations
* 19th Global Symposium for Regulators
* SSA Defends 23cm Band Against Galileo Threat
* Upcoming Satellite Operations
* ARISS News
* Satellite Shorts from All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-223.01
ANS-223 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 223.01
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
August 11, 2019
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-223.01


50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced - 
Tickets Now Available

AMSAT is pleased to announce that the AMSAT Symposium Saturday 
Evening Banquet on Saturday, October 19th will feature a panel of 
guest speakers presenting "The Foundations of AMSAT" followed by a 
question and answer period. Guest speakers will include:

- Lance Ginner, K6GSJ (Project OSCAR)
- George Jacobs, W3ASK (Author, Diplomat)
- Dr. Perry Klein, W3PK (Founding President of AMSAT)
- Dr. Owen Mace (Australis-OSCAR 5 Builder, University of Melbourne)
- Richard Tonkin (Australis-OSCAR 5 Builder, University of Melbourne)
- Jan King, W3GEY (Founding member of AMSAT and Australis-OSCAR 5
  Project Manager)

The 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium and General Meeting will 
be held on Friday through Sunday, October 18-20, 2019, in Arlington, 
Virginia at The Hilton Arlington. Symposium registration is available 
for $60 from now until September 15th. Banquet tickets are $55.  
Tickets are now available on the AMSAT Store at
https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-symposium/

Tickets are also now available for the Sunday tour. On Sunday, 
October 20th, a bus tour will take attendees to the 
Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, an annex of the National Air and Space 
Museum. Two large hangars display thousands of aviation and space 
artifacts, including a Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird, a Concorde, and the 
Space Shuttle Discovery.  Bus capacity is limited to 35 attendees. 
Tickets are $30 per person.  Attendees who wish to drive may also 
join the tour group. Parking at the Udvar-Hazy Center is $15.

On Monday, October 21st, AMSAT President Joe Spier, K6WAO, will lead 
a walking tour of the National Mall. No reservations are required.  
Transportation to the National Mall will be via the Washington Metro.

Additional information, including hotel reservation information is 
available at https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium/

[ANS thanks the AMSAT Office for the above information]

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FUNcube-1/AO-73 Entering Continuous Sunlight

FUNCube-1/AO-73 is due to enter continuous sunlight in a few days 
time and the operations team have decided to set the satellite to the 
education mode full time.  This means full power beacon with no 
transponder and no eclipse auto switching.  

One of the effects of this is that the temperature of the satellite 
will increase.  This will allow the FUNcube operations team to 
follow the effects of continuous sunlight more easily and, in theory, 
should keep the satellite cooler as more energy should be radiated 
from the structure as RF.

They predict that the satellite will start experiencing eclipses 
again on approximately 7 May 2020.  The team may put the satellite 
back into transponder mode while it is in continuous sunlight, and 
will make an announcement if they do so.

[ANS thanks Jim, G3WGM for the above information.]

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ARRL/TAPR 2019 Digital Communications Conference Call for Papers

The ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications Conference (DCC) will be held in 
Detroit, Michigan September 20-22, 2019.  The location will be 
located near the airport.

Technical Presentations & Papers are solicited for presentation at 
the DCC and for publication in the Annual Conference Proceedings.  
The proceedings are published by the ARRL.  Submitting a paper is not 
required to make a presentation at the conference.  Conversely, it is 
not necessary that a  technical paper be presented at the DCC to be 
published in the annual proceedings.

Persons interested in making a technical presentation should contact 
TAPR President, Steve Bible, N7HPR at steven dot bible at gmail.com. 

Submission of technical papers are due by August 12, 2019 and should 
be submitted to: 

Maty Weinberg
ARRL 225 Main Street
Newington, CT 06111

or via the Internet to maty at arrl. dot org.

Full Details on Call for Papers & Submission Guidelines at: 
https://www.tapr.org/dcc#dcccallforpapers

[ANS thanks Mark Thompson, WB9QZB for the above information.]

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BRICSAT2 and PSAT2 Get OSCAR Designations

On June 25, 2019, the United States Naval Academy PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 
cubesats were launched on a Falcon Heavy launch vehicle from the 
Kennedy Space Center in Florida. PSAT2 and BRICSAT2 were developed by 
Naval Academy students in the USNA Satellite Lab and operated in 
cooperation with the USNA Amateur Radio Club. PSAT2 carries a PSK31 
transponder, digipeater, SSTV-downlinked camera images, and a DTMF to 
voice/APRS system. BRICSAT2 carries a digipeater and thruster 
experiment. Both satellites are currently active.

At the request of the Naval Academy Amateur Radio Club, AMSAT hereby 
designates BRICSAT2 as Navy-OSCAR 103 (NO-103), and PSAT2 as 
Navy-OSCAR 104 (NO-104). AMSAT congratulates the owners and operators,

thank them for their contribution to the amateur satellite community, 
and wish them a long mission and continued success on this and future 
projects.

[ANS thanks AMSAT VP Operations / OSCAR Number Administrator Drew
Glasbrenner, KO4MA, for the above information.]

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19th Global Symposium for Regulators

Small-Satellites, High Altitude Platform Stations (HAPS) and 47 GHz 
were among the topics discussed at the ITU-D 19th Global Symposium 
for Regulators in Port Vila, Vanuata, July 9-12.

The background paper 'Preparing for WRC-19   Understanding the issues 
at stake and the impact of decisions to be made' was among the 
meeting documents in which 47.0-47.2 GHz is noted as one of the 
candidate bands for IMT-2020 (International Mobile Telecommunications)

and 47.2-47.5 GHz for HAPS.

Regarding Small-Satellites the document says:

"At WRC-15, a proposal for a new agenda item for WRC-19  to consider 
modifications to the regulatory procedures for notifying satellite 
networks to accommodate nanosatellite and picosatellite missions  was 
submitted. WRC-15 decided not to include this as a specific item on 
the WRC-19 agenda, because it concluded that this matter could best 
be dealt with by the ITU-R under the standing WRC agenda item 7.

"Considering that the size of a satellite is independent of the nature

of the service that it is intended to provide, a simplified 
regulatory regime needs to be developed for non-GSO satellites with 
short-duration missions, independent of the size of the satellite.

"and

"Furthermore, it is important to ensure that any satellite radio-
frequency operation avoids harmful interference to incumbent and 
authorized systems and services. The two frequency bands below 1 GHz 
under consideration for new or upgraded allocation to the SOS 
(150.05-174 MHz and 400.15-420 MHz) are used for a wide variety of 
terrestrial and space applications, including for safety of life 
purposes, and some of these bands are heavily used on a consistent 
basis. Nevertheless, if new allocations to the SOS in these frequency 
bands are considered, they should not put undue constraints on any 
incumbent services."

You can download the complete PDF at
https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Conferences/GSR/2019/Documents

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information.]

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SSA Defends 23cm Band Against Galileo Threat

Sweden's national amateur radio society, the SSA, has sent a 
supplementary letter to the communications regulator PTS ahead of the 
next meeting of the CEPT ECC Conference Preparatory Group CPG-19.

The SSA report:

At a previous CEPT meeting (PTA), France has proposed an agenda item 
to WRC-23 that the coexistence between satellite navigation 
(e.g., Galileo) and amateur radio in the band 1240-1300 MHz should be 
investigated. The proposal was voted down at the preparatory PTA 
meeting, but France has now sent letters to the various 
telecommunications authorities with a request that they now support 
this proposal at the forthcoming CPG19-9. SSA opposes this.

SSA has therefore sent a supplementary letter to PTS about our 23 cm 
amateur band. Our section leader for IARU and VUSHF Mats SM6EAN 
explains the background and our opinion on our section pages. Here 
you can also read the new letter to PTS.

Link to the letter in Google English is available at 
https://tinyurl.com/SwedenSSA

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information.]

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Upcoming Satellite Operations

St Pierre et Miquelon (GN16)   August 10-18, 2019
A DXpedition is planned to St Pierre et Miquelon, August 10th through 
the 18th. The team will operate as T05M will from Ile aux Marins on 
6-160m, but there is a possibility of some FM Satellites. Keep an eye 
on their website for updates at http://fp2019.net/

Santa Rosa Island, CA (CM93)   August 12-14, 2019
Ron, AD0DX, is heading back to Santa Rosa Island, August 12th -14th.  
When not distracted by the feathered-birds, Ron will be on FM and 
linear satellites as W6R.  Keep an eye on Ron's Twitter feed for 
updates at the dates get closer at https://twitter.com/ad0dx

Goose Bay, Labrador (FO-93) August 12-14, 2019
Chris, VE3FU, will be visiting family / friends and maintenance of 
his HF remote station in FO93, but he should be on the FM sats as 
VO2AC. Chris will try to post here before each pass, so keep an eye 
on his Twitter feed at https://twitter.com/ChrisVE3FU

6Y Jamaica (FK18) AUGUST 12-19, 2019
Philippe, EA4NF will be operating from Jamaica (IOTA NA-097   Grid 
FK18) in Satellite with the special call 6Y4NF from August 12 to 19. 
QRV Satellite in FM and SSB.  QSL via LoTW.  Keep an eye on 
Philippe's Twitter feed for further updates at 
https://twitter.com/EA4NF_SAT.

AM1SAT (All Grids in Spain)  September 9-15
AMSAT-EA will be transmitting its special call AM1SAT via all active 
satellites from September 9th to September 15th as part of the 
V RadioHam Fair IberRadio 2019 activities. IberRadio is the biggest 
event for the ham community in Southwest Europe and will open doors 
September 14th and 15th . Learn more about IberRadio at 
http://www.iberradio.es.

AM1SAT call sign will be active from a minimum of 14 different grids 
during that time to help satellite operators to collect as much EA 
locators as possible.

As part of this activity and in order to promote the participation, 
AMSAT-EA is sponsoring the AM1SAT Special Award in two categories: 
SILVER and GOLD

More info available at https://www.amsat-ea.org/ and as a pdf at 
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-223-AMSAT-EA

[ANS thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL for the above information.]

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    to raise $150,000 for critical radio infrastructure upgrades
    on ISS. The upgrades are necessary to enable students to
    continue to talk to astronauts in space via Amateur Radio.
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    or about 17% towards our goal. This would not have been
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ARISS News

+ Upcoming Contacts

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via
IK1SLD 
The ISS call sign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 
The scheduled astronaut is Luca Parmitano KF5KDP 
Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg 
Watch for live stream at www.ariotti.com starting about 15 min before
AOS.

+ Completed Contacts

Kyoto Tachibana Junior & Senior High School, Kyoto, Japan, direct via
8N3KT
The ISS callsign was NA1SS.
The astronaut was Nick Hague KG5TMV.
Contact was successful: Thu 2019-08-08 10:36:37 UTC.

[ANS thanks Charlie Sufana, AJ9N  for the above information.]

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Satellite Shorts from All Over

 
+ AMSAT Featured in Special 300th Edition of ICQ Podcast 

The ICQ Podcast team released their 300th edition on August 4, 2019 
which features an interview with AMSAT Treasurer and Past President 
Keith Baker, KB1SF.

Released fortnightly on a Sunday at 0900 GMT the ICQ Podcast is 
available either as an MP3 download or as a YouTube version with 
optional auto-generated subtitles.  In this edition, Martin Butler, 
M1MRB is joined by Chris Howard, M0TCH, Dan Romanchik, KB6NU and 
Frank Howell, K4FMH to interview Keith.  The interview begins 
at 1:10:30 into the show and can be heard at
https://www.icqpodcast.com/

[AMSAT thanks Trevor Essex, M5AKA for the above information.]


+ OSCAR-94 Crashes on the Moon

Lunar-OSCAR 94 (a.k.a. LongJiang 2 and DSLWP-B) crashed onto the
far side of the Moon on July 31 around 14:08 UTC, ending its very
successful amateur radio mission around the Moon.  Launched on 
May 20, 2018, OSCAR achieved several historical firsts.  The 
complete story can be read at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-223-OSCAR-94

[ANS thanks Nico Janssen, PA0DLO for the above information.]


+ ARRL Updates LOTW with Three New Satellites

On August 5, 2019 the ARRL updated Logbook of the World to include 
three new satellites: BO-102, NO-103, and NO-104 this morning.

[ANS thanks Drew Glasbrenner, KO4MA for the above information.]


+ AMSAT-DL Building Antarctic Ground Station for QO-100

AMSAT-DL is hurriedly building a ground station for Antarctica that 
will link to QO-100.  The purpose for the installation is to provide 
a scientific platform to engage students in studying climate change 
and its effects in the polar regions.

Read the complete article at 
https://amsat-dl.org/en/wie-wird-die-antarktis-auf-qo-100-qrv/

[ANS thanks AMSAT-DL for the above information.]

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From fgeraci14 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 00:10:33 2019
From: fgeraci14 at gmail.com (Francis Geraci)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 20:10:33 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX
Message-ID: <CA+QL-dDfsP-QspFSmrYug8e8APY1mhVf-tzySXWccM8+qk0Eqw@mail.gmail.com>

Something I have been "mulling" over for a while.

Elon Musk seems to be an "open minded" Guy.

Maybe, Amsat could interest  Him in our endeavor's  to get a "GEO" into
orbit.  STEM  ?  Education. Emergency Commm's ?  Lot's of angle's ?

Best,

W1FXX

From bernd1peters at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 00:49:57 2019
From: bernd1peters at gmail.com (bernd1peters at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:49:57 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX
In-Reply-To: <CA+QL-dDfsP-QspFSmrYug8e8APY1mhVf-tzySXWccM8+qk0Eqw@mail.gmail.com>
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Does the company SpaceX have an Amateur Radio Club like other larger
companies?

73,

Bernd - KB7AK

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Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX

Something I have been "mulling" over for a while.

Elon Musk seems to be an "open minded" Guy.

Maybe, Amsat could interest  Him in our endeavor's  to get a "GEO" into
orbit.  STEM  ?  Education. Emergency Commm's ?  Lot's of angle's ?

Best,

W1FXX
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From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 01:42:08 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 21:42:08 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
In-Reply-To: <5D4DA477.8020206@gmail.com>
References: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>
	<e25f39a6-c6e1-0af8-1faa-e1699b9b847f@mwt.net>
	<CABX7KxWPWiohw54aYFRajUpBEq39aYE1YpNQvaqd2BQHkpMgCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A59EF9F4-CE08-41DB-913A-F088090BCB3E@gmail.com>
	<5D4DA477.8020206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABsMmtRE9PkAcMQiCicCWYV=OJHFe9w37-3=twH-P3Jz_e5n1w@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

I am going to guess you were just making a funny as EME really isn't all
that expensive anymore.   And it is a lot of fun!  I like t think of it as
"working OSCAR Zero!"   And far as I know battery life and orbital debris
regulations are not an issue

Johnny

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 1:00 PM Bill Booth via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> On 2019-08-09 10:54 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Useable whenever you can see the moon.
>
> Something like EME is now ??
>
> --
> Bill Booth VE3NXK
> Sundridge ON, Canada
> 79.23.37 W x 45.46.18 N
> FN05ns
>
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>
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From peter at magicbug.co.uk  Sun Aug 11 10:12:30 2019
From: peter at magicbug.co.uk (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 11:12:30 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and AO-92 mode L
In-Reply-To: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>
References: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>
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Rich,

The best way is to add another line to the doppler.SQF file this is mine for L/V

AO-92,145880,1267350,FM,FM,NOR,0,0,Transponder FM

You might need to adjust the uplink frequency of course to match your gear :)

73,

Peter, 2M0SQL

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 23:31, Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks again to Erich and everyone else who helped me get Satpc32 up and running.
>
> I?d like to try to work AO-92 when it is in mode L. What is the best way to do this with Satpc32?  Change the frequency on the Doppler.SQF file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich 4Z1JJ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From richgussow at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 11 05:09:43 2019
From: richgussow at yahoo.com (Richard Gussow)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 05:09:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and AO-92 mode L
In-Reply-To: <E0DF7B3250DE4DC69BC61A98D9B9142F@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
References: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>
	<E0DF7B3250DE4DC69BC61A98D9B9142F@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
Message-ID: <1371882462.3806936.1565500183947@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks Glenn.? How do you choose between the two modes?? After making that change, only the first one shows up.? I'm using nasa.all as my source file. I could just manually change the frequency in the doppler.sqf file, but if there is a better way I'd be happy to use it.
Thanks,
Rich 4Z1JJ
    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 03:16:35 AM GMT+3, Glenn Miller - AA5PK <aa5pk at suddenlink.net> wrote:  
 
 Rich,

My Doppler.SQF entries for AO-92 read:

AO-92,145880,435350,FMN,FMN,NOR,0,0
AO-92,145880,1267360,FMN,FMN,NOR,0,0

Mode L works great.

73,
Glenn
AA5PK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 2:10 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and AO-92 mode L

Hi everyone,

Thanks again to Erich and everyone else who helped me get Satpc32 up and running.

I?d like to try to work AO-92 when it is in mode L. What is the best way to do this with Satpc32?? Change the frequency on 
the Doppler.SQF file?

Thanks,

Rich 4Z1JJ

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From erich.eichmann at t-online.de  Sun Aug 11 10:44:05 2019
From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:44:05 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and AO-92 mode L
In-Reply-To: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>
References: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9996de0c-2958-e67a-9de3-a9d450803486@t-online.de>

Hi Rich,
the entries for the U/V and L/V transponder of AO-92 could look as follwos:
AO-92,145880,435350,FM,FM,Nor,0,0,Voice U/V
AO-92,145880,1267350 ,FM,FM,Nor,0,0,Voice L/V
You can swithch between? both line in menu? 'CAT'.

If your radio doesn't support the L-Band? and you need an up-transverter 
you have to enter the transverter offset at the position of the last 
'0'. If for example the transverter offset is 830000 KHz the line should 
look as follows:
AO-92,145880,1267350 ,FM,FM,Nor,0,830000,Voice L/V
Tune the radio to 437350. The uplink output will then be on 1267350 KHz 
(437350 + 830000)? +/- Doppler shift.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 10.08.2019 um 21:10 schrieb Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks again to Erich and everyone else who helped me get Satpc32 up and running.
>
> I?d like to try to work AO-92 when it is in mode L. What is the best way to do this with Satpc32?  Change the frequency on the Doppler.SQF file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich 4Z1JJ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From skristof at etczone.com  Sun Aug 11 11:39:13 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 07:39:13 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtRE9PkAcMQiCicCWYV=OJHFe9w37-3=twH-P3Jz_e5n1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43326C9E-89A1-4B9A-8826-691D3F34098A@gmail.com>
	<e25f39a6-c6e1-0af8-1faa-e1699b9b847f@mwt.net>
	<CABX7KxWPWiohw54aYFRajUpBEq39aYE1YpNQvaqd2BQHkpMgCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A59EF9F4-CE08-41DB-913A-F088090BCB3E@gmail.com>
	<5D4DA477.8020206@gmail.com>
	<CABsMmtRE9PkAcMQiCicCWYV=OJHFe9w37-3=twH-P3Jz_e5n1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd8d5d4af3d576bd150ce4fcc502f75f@etczone.com>

What "really isn't all that expensive anymore" for some is way
out-of-budget for others. 

Steve AI9IN 

On 2019-08-10 9:42 pm, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB wrote:

>> --
>> Bill Booth VE3NXK
>> Sundridge ON, Canada
>> 79.23.37 W x 45.46.18 N
>> FN05ns
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> I am going to guess you were just making a funny as EME really isn't all
>> that expensive anymore.   And it is a lot of fun!  I like t think of it as
>> "working OSCAR Zero!"   And far as I know battery life and orbital debris
>> regulations are not an issue
>> 
>> Johnny
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 1:00 PM Bill Booth via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:

From richgussow at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 11 12:25:57 2019
From: richgussow at yahoo.com (Richard Gussow)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:25:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and AO-92 mode L
In-Reply-To: <9996de0c-2958-e67a-9de3-a9d450803486@t-online.de>
References: <52CE9398-EE6E-4FEF-8556-DD460B587F58@yahoo.com>
	<9996de0c-2958-e67a-9de3-a9d450803486@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <1079003841.3850235.1565526357913@mail.yahoo.com>

 Great, that works!? Thanks Erich and everyone else for their help.
I managed to hear myself coming through the satellite, but unfortunately I heard no one else.? I'll try again on the next pass.
73 de Rich 4Z1JJ
    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 01:43:39 PM GMT+3, Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at t-online.de> wrote:  
 
 Hi Rich,
the entries for the U/V and L/V transponder of AO-92 could look as follwos:
AO-92,145880,435350,FM,FM,Nor,0,0,Voice U/V
AO-92,145880,1267350 ,FM,FM,Nor,0,0,Voice L/V
You can swithch between? both line in menu? 'CAT'.

If your radio doesn't support the L-Band? and you need an up-transverter 
you have to enter the transverter offset at the position of the last 
'0'. If for example the transverter offset is 830000 KHz the line should 
look as follows:
AO-92,145880,1267350 ,FM,FM,Nor,0,830000,Voice L/V
Tune the radio to 437350. The uplink output will then be on 1267350 KHz 
(437350 + 830000)? +/- Doppler shift.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 10.08.2019 um 21:10 schrieb Richard Gussow via AMSAT-BB:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks again to Erich and everyone else who helped me get Satpc32 up and running.
>
> I?d like to try to work AO-92 when it is in mode L. What is the best way to do this with Satpc32?? Change the frequency on the Doppler.SQF file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich 4Z1JJ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From andythomasmail at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Aug 11 14:56:43 2019
From: andythomasmail at yahoo.co.uk (andy thomas)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:56:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Chinese Satellite DSLWP-2 (Longjian-2) gives RF spectrum
 of Earth seen from Moon.
References: <671353363.5302127.1565535403966.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <671353363.5302127.1565535403966@mail.yahoo.com>

According to reports in the Chinese medaia (see for example http://www.ccnovel.com/bolan/2019-08-03/133863.html ) the Chinese microsatellite DSLWP-2 which had been orbiting the Moon has now been crashed into it having completed the mission.

This mission included mapping RF interference from the Earth by studying its occlusion by the Moon during lunar orbit.

The Chinese press report that "The main goal of the ultra-long wave detector is to use the lunar natural occlusion of the Earth's radio frequency interference, and to verify the technology of ultra-long wave astronomical observation and solar radiation research. The detector detects the radiation spectrum at different positions of the lunar orbit, acquires the 1-30MHz ultra-long-wave continuum of the lunar orbit, completes the earth radio interference survey, and also carries out various types of moon-covering tests, and carries out various key technologies for payload. verification."

A Figure in this story (which I cannot send to the BB) shows "Distribution Characteristics of Earth's Interference Spectrum in the 1-30MHz Band Obtained by Longjiang No.2"

73 de andy G0SFJ

From kb2fmg at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 11 21:17:27 2019
From: kb2fmg at yahoo.com (Mike McCann)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:17:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,
I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
Mike KB2GHZ

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Sun Aug 11 21:29:00 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:29:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>

On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hello All,
> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> Mike KB2GHZ

Did you use the correct link / reservation code?

https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG

Group code is "RAS".

I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a 
room at $150/night.

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 21:40:23 2019
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:40:23 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANOtx_f46LxQvZkQNPhzZnfGGgBwU07Hibx9THbkpkd+9KHk7w@mail.gmail.com>

I got the same message when trying to make my reservation via the website.
I called the hotel number and they got the reservation done.


On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 5:18 PM Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hello All,
> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the AMSAT
> Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms available at
> the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> Mike KB2GHZ
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From kb2fmg at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 11 21:41:36 2019
From: kb2fmg at yahoo.com (Mike McCann)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yep I used group code "RAS"
It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other available rooms and rates below.

Mike
    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hello All,
> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> Mike KB2GHZ

Did you use the correct link / reservation code?

https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG

Group code is "RAS".

I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a 
room at $150/night.

--- Zach
N0ZGO
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From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 21:55:15 2019
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 16:55:15 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>

I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so, saved about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I have to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options within a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!

Jeff WE4B 

> On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Yep I used group code "RAS"
> It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other available rooms and rates below.
> 
> Mike
>    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
> 
> On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
>> Mike KB2GHZ
> 
> Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> 
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> 
> Group code is "RAS".
> 
> I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a 
> room at $150/night.
> 
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From n1uw at gokarns.com  Sun Aug 11 22:28:45 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:28:45 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701d55094$23d5e560$6b81b020$@gokarns.com>

I always do the same checking around myself and sometimes find a better deal.  The AMSAT group rate at the Hilton is $149.  Except for the B&B's (Bed and Bugs) I can't imagine a much cheaper rate in the DC area for a decent hotel.

Cheers,
Frank

FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 4:55 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton

I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so, saved about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I have to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options within a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!

Jeff WE4B 

> On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Yep I used group code "RAS"
> It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other available rooms and rates below.
> 
> Mike
>    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
> 
> On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
>> Mike KB2GHZ
> 
> Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> 
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> 
> Group code is "RAS".
> 
> I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a 
> room at $150/night.
> 
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> 
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc  Sun Aug 11 22:36:22 2019
From: wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:36:22 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>

The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed to
get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the start
of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got the
rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.

I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is the
next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
that is REALLY difficult.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up
> just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so, saved
> about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a
> problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I have
> to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I
> would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options within
> a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
>
> Jeff WE4B
>
> > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> available rooms and rates below.
> >
> > Mike
> >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
> AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> >> Mike KB2GHZ
> >
> > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> >
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> >
> > Group code is "RAS".
> >
> > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
> > room at $150/night.
> >
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> expressed
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From n1uw at gokarns.com  Sun Aug 11 23:23:02 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:23:02 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well aware of the problem and diligently working on it.

An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting everyone there...one way or the other. :-)

Cheers,
Frank

FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
To: Mike McCann
Cc: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton

The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed to
get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the start
of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got the
rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.

I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is the
next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
that is REALLY difficult.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up
> just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so, saved
> about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a
> problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I have
> to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I
> would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options within
> a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
>
> Jeff WE4B
>
> > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> available rooms and rates below.
> >
> > Mike
> >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
> AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> >> Mike KB2GHZ
> >
> > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> >
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> >
> > Group code is "RAS".
> >
> > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
> > room at $150/night.
> >
> > --- Zach
> > N0ZGO
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From scott23192 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 07:18:09 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 03:18:09 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Psat2 sstv
In-Reply-To: <CALdCfNK_yAohwnr9vR3PgFmg1UOuGRNtMZJ6cs-8F_99ah-TkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMP_dy+mqrTcULJN0fDFdUDcOx+KmTPe3qSEoRFVZ=-_NnMrYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKCqnD+V3OvkupdAuDDUXZ4zZAEBjrXwkY0Zs-k0ztaho2frg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALdCfNK_yAohwnr9vR3PgFmg1UOuGRNtMZJ6cs-8F_99ah-TkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOY9cc1y5LTLo5miADc7CaYkpFhF+nUSy3t=e9jJ2-a1Eg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the detailed update, Bob.

Tonight I was finally able to get into the DTMF decoder for the first time
after trying almost daily since that mode was enabled.  As the elevation
kept going up, I finally lucked into being heard at 33? elevation w/ 50w to
an AZ/EL tracking X-Quad antenna.  Both uplink & downlink frequencies on
the FT-857d were being doppler compensated throughout the pass.  A few
telemetry packets were decoded also.

Here is a tweet with a screen shot of the downlink packets received and a
URL to audio of the DTMF read-back:

https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/1160810386016407552

-Scott,  K4KDR

==========================

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 3:01 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The live status of PSAT2 is easy to see on http://aprs.org/sats.html
> select the link to the Telemetry-Last-24hrs
> And  you can see the status just minutes ago.:
>
> 20190810 182731,PSAT2-1>APOFF...:T#060,704,041,910,741,162,11010001
> The status bits tell you left to right:
> 1 = DTMF Grid Reporting is on
> 1 = Always on
> 0 = internal use
> 1 = DTMF Messages are on
> 0 = PSK31 and SSTV Camera are on (note, inverted)
> 0 = Digipeater is OFF
> 0 = APRS-to-Voice is off
> 1 = Internal use
>
> This condition will remain until we get enough users to assess the DTMF
> modes.
> We invite people to play.  Lots of new and different modes.
> With DTMF messages now on, one can QSL a grid report and make a 2way
> contact.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM Mark D. Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> > https://www.amsat.org/status/ suggests it's not working in APRS mode.
> > On August 5, Bob, WB4APR, reported that the satellite was in DTMF
> > mode.
> > --
> > Mark D. Johns
> > K?JM / M?GZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-K?MDJ
> > AMSAT Ambassador
> > Brooklyn Park, MN USA   EN35hd
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,
> >    you would stay out and your dog would go in."
> >     ---Mark Twain
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:18 AM Larry Fields via AMSAT-BB
> > <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me if its active I never catch a signal
>

From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Aug 12 15:02:50 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:02:50 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-9100 in D-FM mode
Message-ID: <000001d5511f$0308ebd0$091ac370$@net>

Anyone know of a way to remotely set  with  SatPC32 or set via menu item
FM-D mode on a 9100?

 

73 Jeff kb2m


From martha at amsat.org  Mon Aug 12 15:05:03 2019
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:05:03 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <000701d5509b$b900ad80$2b020880$@gokarns.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701d5509b$b900ad80$2b020880$@gokarns.com>
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The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still have
problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager

73- Martha

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>
> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
>
> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Frank
>
> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
> To: Mike McCann
> Cc: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>
> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed to
> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the start
> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got the
> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
>
> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is the
> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
> that is REALLY difficult.
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up
> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
> saved
> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a
> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I
> have
> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I
> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
> within
> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
> >
> > Jeff WE4B
> >
> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> > available rooms and rates below.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > >> Hello All,
> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
> > >
> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> > >
> > > Group code is "RAS".
> > >
> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
> > > room at $150/night.
> > >
> > > --- Zach
> > > N0ZGO
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
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> > >
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> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


-- 
73- Martha

From K6FW1 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 12 18:02:49 2019
From: K6FW1 at verizon.net (Frank)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:02:49 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-9100 in D-FM mode
In-Reply-To: <000001d5511f$0308ebd0$091ac370$@net>
References: <000001d5511f$0308ebd0$091ac370$@net>
Message-ID: <716A6A47-0901-4741-B80F-AB13F07C86BA@verizon.net>

In the SatPC32 Doppler.SQF file enter FMD instead of FM for the Satellite.

73,
Frank
K6FW


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 8:02 AM, jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of a way to remotely set  with  SatPC32 or set via menu item
> FM-D mode on a 9100?
> 
> 
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From w2ev at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 12 18:20:11 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:20:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>

Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?? If so...point me?
Ev, W2EV

From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Aug 12 18:27:19 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:27:19 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-9100 in D-FM mode
In-Reply-To: <716A6A47-0901-4741-B80F-AB13F07C86BA@verizon.net>
References: <000001d5511f$0308ebd0$091ac370$@net>
	<716A6A47-0901-4741-B80F-AB13F07C86BA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002a01d5513b$93db22b0$bb916810$@net>

Thanks Frank. Several had replied that info to me off list. And I also
remembered 5 minutes after I posted. I was hoping not to have to reply here
and share yet another embarrassing senior moment with the group :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank [mailto:K6FW1 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 2:03 PM
To: jeff griffin
Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9100 in D-FM mode

In the SatPC32 Doppler.SQF file enter FMD instead of FM for the Satellite.

73,
Frank
K6FW


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 8:02 AM, jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of a way to remotely set  with  SatPC32 or set via menu item
> FM-D mode on a 9100?
> 
> 
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m


From aa5pk at suddenlink.net  Mon Aug 12 18:59:17 2019
From: aa5pk at suddenlink.net (Glenn Miller - AA5PK)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:59:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <CAPk0USz2iMNLo4PpYj1kB9iivyJXro6zW9G1478CmZkzZLpdhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com><2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com><0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com><1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com><493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com><CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com><000701d5509b$b900ad80$2b020880$@gokarns.com>
	<CAPk0USz2iMNLo4PpYj1kB9iivyJXro6zW9G1478CmZkzZLpdhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1C35608FF694C62A5555B44A949A430@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>

I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat function with a Hilton customer service rep.

The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to stay Sunday night, you'll have to book that night 
separately (at a much higher rate).

The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.

Glenn
AA5PK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
Cc: AMSAT BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton

The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still have
problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager

73- Martha

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>
> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
>
> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Frank
>
> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
> To: Mike McCann
> Cc: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>
> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed to
> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the start
> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got the
> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
>
> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is the
> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
> that is REALLY difficult.
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up
> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
> saved
> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a
> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I
> have
> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I
> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
> within
> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
> >
> > Jeff WE4B
> >
> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> > available rooms and rates below.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > >> Hello All,
> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
> > >
> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> > >
> > > Group code is "RAS".
> > >
> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
> > > room at $150/night.
> > >
> > > --- Zach
> > > N0ZGO
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


-- 
73- Martha
_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From ke4al at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 12 19:11:06 2019
From: ke4al at yahoo.com (Robert Bankston)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>

Wasn't that included in your membership packet?
73,
Robert, KE4AL 

    On Monday, August 12, 2019, 01:20:53 PM CDT, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?? If so...point me?
Ev, W2EV
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Aug 12 19:12:14 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:12:14 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <E1C35608FF694C62A5555B44A949A430@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701d5509b$b900ad80$2b020880$@gokarns.com>
	<CAPk0USz2iMNLo4PpYj1kB9iivyJXro6zW9G1478CmZkzZLpdhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1C35608FF694C62A5555B44A949A430@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOprea8AViBkXWkMYq0fBcGDr33Qnir=UtjkW15yka0eSg@mail.gmail.com>

I don?t know why the customer service rep said that, Sunday night is
included in the block.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 14:59 Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat function
> with a Hilton customer service rep.
>
> The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to stay
> Sunday night, you'll have to book that night
> separately (at a much higher rate).
>
> The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
>
> Glenn
> AA5PK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
> To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
> Cc: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>
> The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still have
> problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
>
> 73- Martha
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
> > aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
> >
> > An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
> > everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Frank
> >
> > FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
> > Fisher via AMSAT-BB
> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
> > To: Mike McCann
> > Cc: AMSAT BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> >
> > The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed
> to
> > get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the
> start
> > of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got
> the
> > rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
> >
> > I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
> > reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
> > can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
> > since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
> > the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
> > not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is
> the
> > next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
> > that is REALLY difficult.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed
> up
> > > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
> > saved
> > > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not
> just a
> > > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I
> > have
> > > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t
> work. I
> > > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
> > within
> > > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
> > >
> > > Jeff WE4B
> > >
> > > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> > > available rooms and rates below.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> > > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > > >> Hello All,
> > > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
> > > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> > > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> > > >> Mike KB2GHZ
> > > >
> > > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> > > >
> > > > Group code is "RAS".
> > > >
> > > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
> > > > room at $150/night.
> > > >
> > > > --- Zach
> > > > N0ZGO
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > > Opinions expressed
> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> > of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > > program!
> > > > Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > > Opinions expressed
> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> > of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > > program!
> > > > Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>
>
> --
> 73- Martha
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From K6FW1 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 12 19:15:13 2019
From: K6FW1 at verizon.net (Frank)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 12:15:13 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <E1C35608FF694C62A5555B44A949A430@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701d5509b$b900ad80$2b020880$@gokarns.com>
	<CAPk0USz2iMNLo4PpYj1kB9iivyJXro6zW9G1478CmZkzZLpdhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1C35608FF694C62A5555B44A949A430@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
Message-ID: <8AAC53DF-9A58-41D2-B3E4-FE9897E2852C@verizon.net>

When I booked I got the $149 rate for Oct 15-21.

Frank
K6FW


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat function with a Hilton customer service rep.
> 
> The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to stay Sunday night, you'll have to book that night separately (at a much higher rate).
> 
> The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
> 
> Glenn
> AA5PK
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
> To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
> Cc: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> 
> The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still have
> problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
> 
> 73- Martha
> 
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
>> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
>> 
>> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
>> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Frank
>> 
>> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
>> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
>> To: Mike McCann
>> Cc: AMSAT BB
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>> 
>> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed to
>> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the start
>> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got the
>> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
>> 
>> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
>> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
>> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
>> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
>> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
>> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is the
>> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
>> that is REALLY difficult.
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed up
>> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
>> saved
>> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not just a
>> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I
>> have
>> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t work. I
>> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
>> within
>> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
>> >
>> > Jeff WE4B
>> >
>> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
>> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
>> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
>> > available rooms and rates below.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
>> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > >> Hello All,
>> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
>> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
>> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
>> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
>> > >
>> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
>> > >
>> > > Group code is "RAS".
>> > >
>> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
>> > > room at $150/night.
>> > >
>> > > --- Zach
>> > > N0ZGO
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions expressed
>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions expressed
>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73- Martha
> _______________________________________________
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From e.krome at comcast.net  Mon Aug 12 19:23:10 2019
From: e.krome at comcast.net (Ed Krome)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:23:10 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
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Same thing to me less than an hour ago.  Sunday went up to $249. I?d rather send it to AMSAT!

Ed Krome K9EK

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> I don?t know why the customer service rep said that, Sunday night is
> included in the block.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM
> 
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 14:59 Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
>> I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat function
>> with a Hilton customer service rep.
>> 
>> The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to stay
>> Sunday night, you'll have to book that night
>> separately (at a much higher rate).
>> 
>> The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
>> 
>> Glenn
>> AA5PK
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
>> To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
>> Cc: AMSAT BB
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>> 
>> The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still have
>> problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
>> 
>> 73- Martha
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
>>> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
>>> 
>>> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
>>> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
>>> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
>>> To: Mike McCann
>>> Cc: AMSAT BB
>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>>> 
>>> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed
>> to
>>> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the
>> start
>>> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got
>> the
>>> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
>>> 
>>> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
>>> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
>>> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say that
>>> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's possible
>>> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
>>> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is
>> the
>>> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out of
>>> that is REALLY difficult.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I needed
>> up
>>>> just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
>>> saved
>>>> about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not
>> just a
>>>> problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I
>>> have
>>>> to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t
>> work. I
>>>> would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
>>> within
>>>> a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff WE4B
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep I used group code "RAS"
>>>>> It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
>>>> available rooms and rates below.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>   On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
>>>> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
>>>> AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
>>>> available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
>>>>>> Mike KB2GHZ
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
>>>>> 
>>>>> Group code is "RAS".
>>>>> 
>>>>> I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view a
>>>>> room at $150/night.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Zach
>>>>> N0ZGO
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>>> Opinions expressed
>>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>>> of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>>> Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>>> Opinions expressed
>>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>>> of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>>> Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions
>>>> expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
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>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>>> expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>> AMSAT-NA.
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>> program!
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>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>>> expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>> AMSAT-NA.
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>> program!
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 73- Martha
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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> _______________________________________________
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From martha at amsat.org  Mon Aug 12 19:31:29 2019
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:31:29 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
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Just got off the phone with the Sales Manager.  She will call me back with
the number of rooms available Tuesday-Sunday.  If the block is full she
will try to add extra rooms.  As soon as I hear something, I'll let you
know.

Martha

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:16 PM Frank <K6FW1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> When I booked I got the $149 rate for Oct 15-21.
>
> Frank
> K6FW
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat function
> with a Hilton customer service rep.
> >
> > The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to stay
> Sunday night, you'll have to book that night separately (at a much higher
> rate).
> >
> > The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
> >
> > Glenn
> > AA5PK
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
> > To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
> > Cc: AMSAT BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> >
> > The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still
> have
> > problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
> >
> > 73- Martha
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
> >> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
> >>
> >> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
> >> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
> >> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
> >> To: Mike McCann
> >> Cc: AMSAT BB
> >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> >>
> >> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially managed
> to
> >> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the
> start
> >> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got
> the
> >> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
> >>
> >> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
> >> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first person
> >> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say
> that
> >> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's
> possible
> >> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW, do
> >> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but is
> the
> >> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out
> of
> >> that is REALLY difficult.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> >> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I
> needed up
> >> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
> >> saved
> >> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not
> just a
> >> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where I
> >> have
> >> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t
> work. I
> >> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
> >> within
> >> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
> >> >
> >> > Jeff WE4B
> >> >
> >> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> >> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> >> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> >> > available rooms and rates below.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike
> >> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> >> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >> > >> Hello All,
> >> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for the
> >> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> >> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> >> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
> >> > >
> >> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> >> > >
> >> > > Group code is "RAS".
> >> > >
> >> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to view
> a
> >> > > room at $150/night.
> >> > >
> >> > > --- Zach
> >> > > N0ZGO
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> > Opinions expressed
> >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views
> >> of
> >> > AMSAT-NA.
> >> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> > program!
> >> > > Subscription settings:
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> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> > Opinions expressed
> >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views
> >> of
> >> > AMSAT-NA.
> >> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> > program!
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> >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> >> > expressed
> >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> >> > AMSAT-NA.
> >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >> > Subscription settings:
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> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
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> >
> >
> > --
> > 73- Martha
> > _______________________________________________
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-- 
73- Martha

From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 20:02:49 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:02:49 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABaTVVY+WfQLxOm+BGYpVUaBVw5Wq8ZVjoCYGRyzGoUQ7X_NYw@mail.gmail.com>

This is a great topic!

In the discussions on the future of AmSat, it seems like this should be a
focal point in the objectives.

RM
KE6BLR


On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 12:12 PM Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Wasn't that included in your membership packet?
> 73,
> Robert, KE4AL
>
>     On Monday, August 12, 2019, 01:20:53 PM CDT, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a
> satellite into orbit?  If so...point me?
> Ev, W2EV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From skristof at etczone.com  Mon Aug 12 20:04:27 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:04:27 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e721dc6b23ec3caf5f788062ec1e82d8@etczone.com>

I found one from an old membership packet. It says "Place satellite on
top of rocket. Light fuse. Get away." 

Steve AI9IN

On 2019-08-12 3:11 pm, Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> Wasn't that included in your membership packet?
> 73,
> Robert, KE4AL 
> 
> On Monday, August 12, 2019, 01:20:53 PM CDT, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
> 
> Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?  If so...point me?
> Ev, W2EV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Mon Aug 12 20:32:11 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:32:11 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <e721dc6b23ec3caf5f788062ec1e82d8@etczone.com>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>
	<e721dc6b23ec3caf5f788062ec1e82d8@etczone.com>
Message-ID: <abcc82d3-da90-8c00-7966-55c6bb357a00@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-12 15:04, AI9IN via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I found one from an old membership packet. It says "Place satellite on
> top of rocket. Light fuse. Get away."

https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/03/japan-launches-smallest-rocket-ever-to-carry-satellite-into-orbit/

Time to start building our own rockets?

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 12 20:48:58 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:48:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <e721dc6b23ec3caf5f788062ec1e82d8@etczone.com>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1016145826.4368866.1565637066525@mail.yahoo.com>
	<e721dc6b23ec3caf5f788062ec1e82d8@etczone.com>
Message-ID: <1587615274.3199876.1565642938919@mail.yahoo.com>

 My neighbor tried that.? He's the only person in the area who can count to 8 1/2 on both hands.? He didn't "get away" fast enough.
Lol.
Ev

    On Monday, August 12, 2019, 04:09:19 PM EDT, AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 I found one from an old membership packet. It says "Place satellite on
top of rocket. Light fuse. Get away." 

Steve AI9IN

On 2019-08-12 3:11 pm, Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> Wasn't that included in your membership packet?
> 73,
> Robert, KE4AL 
> 
> On Monday, August 12, 2019, 01:20:53 PM CDT, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 
> 
> Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?? If so...point me?
> Ev, W2EV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
  

From va3kkz at amsat.org  Mon Aug 12 22:02:39 2019
From: va3kkz at amsat.org (Daniel Kekez)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:02:39 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1677c104-87e7-4329-e856-2d8eb682d6ce@amsat.org>

On 2019-08-12 18:20, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?? If so...point me?

Each launch provider will publish a Payload Planner's Guide that will
describe the environment on the rocket during all phases of launch,
which will dictate the minimum testing regime for the satellite. The
guide will also include the documentation that must be delivered as part
of that process.

As an example, Spaceflight Services has a guide for their ride share
opportunities:

https://spaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Spaceflight-Mission-Planning-Guide-Rev-G.pdf

One also needs to comply with government licensing requirements. In the
US that would be the FCC:

https://www.fcc.gov/document/guidance-obtaining-licenses-small-satellites

And I believe the FCC also requires an Orbital Debris Assessment Report:
	https://standards.nasa.gov/standard/nasa/nasa-std-871914
But perhaps someone who has gone through the American process can
explain it in more detail.

Also, if the satellite has a camera, it must obtain a remote sensing
license from NOAA.

73,
-Daniel, VA3KKZ

From bruninga at usna.edu  Tue Aug 13 01:54:09 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:54:09 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
Message-ID: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
links for PSAT2:

http://aprs.org/sats.html

Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory on
your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
compensation or at the middle of a pass.

PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
packet.

A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but with
a new CQ number.

Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.

Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.

Bob, WB4APR

From hans.bx2abt at msa.hinet.net  Tue Aug 13 03:42:22 2019
From: hans.bx2abt at msa.hinet.net (Hans BX2ABT)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:42:22 +0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <1677c104-87e7-4329-e856-2d8eb682d6ce@amsat.org>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1677c104-87e7-4329-e856-2d8eb682d6ce@amsat.org>
Message-ID: <e07478d9-73d8-0a23-dc2b-cad1a638238b@msa.hinet.net>

So what if the satellite was launched by Canada? It's AMSAT-NA, so 
Canada is included (I presume). If the USA has too many restrictions on 
launching requirements then go for a non-USA solutionm, I would say. 
(But what do I know? Just looking around the corner).

Hans

BX2ABT


On 08/13/2019 06:02 AM, Daniel Kekez via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> On 2019-08-12 18:20, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?? If so...point me?
> Each launch provider will publish a Payload Planner's Guide that will
> describe the environment on the rocket during all phases of launch,
> which will dictate the minimum testing regime for the satellite. The
> guide will also include the documentation that must be delivered as part
> of that process.
>
> As an example, Spaceflight Services has a guide for their ride share
> opportunities:
>
> https://spaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Spaceflight-Mission-Planning-Guide-Rev-G.pdf
>
> One also needs to comply with government licensing requirements. In the
> US that would be the FCC:
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/guidance-obtaining-licenses-small-satellites
>
> And I believe the FCC also requires an Orbital Debris Assessment Report:
> 	https://standards.nasa.gov/standard/nasa/nasa-std-871914
> But perhaps someone who has gone through the American process can
> explain it in more detail.
>
> Also, if the satellite has a camera, it must obtain a remote sensing
> license from NOAA.
>
> 73,
> -Daniel, VA3KKZ
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From scott23192 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 03:46:38 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 23:46:38 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to Robert for the time he's put into creating these very
informative web pages!

Bob, I have read and re-read the DTMF instructions but even though it
reflects poorly on me, I'm not sure what exact string to transmit to QSL
someone's previous CQ.

So here is my best guess - please correct as required.

My callsign/grid DTMF (that has worked once) is:  *18175453702201#

For me to QSL CQ #45 from KC9ELU, do I transmit the following?:

C4045*18175453702201#


Thanks in advance!

-Scott,  K4KDR

==========================

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:55 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
> data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
> links for PSAT2:
>
> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory on
> your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
> compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>
> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
> APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
> packet.
>
> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but with
> a new CQ number.
>
> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>
> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
> or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>

From aj9n at aol.com  Tue Aug 13 04:53:36 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 04:53:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-13 04:30
	UTC
References: <736482690.3296002.1565672016200.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <736482690.3296002.1565672016200@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-13 04:30 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg 

Watch for live stream at www.ariotti.comstarting about 15 min before AOS. 

?

The Children?s Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda, MD (CASIS#3), telebridge via VK4KHZ (***)

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***) 

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA (***) 

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-22 17:16:22 UTC 38 deg (***)

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-13 04:30 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-09 04:00 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1326. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1269.

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From scott23192 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 07:38:55 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 03:38:55 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZ6ZEHmQooWT6GRL8zQ+rTnswEXzGkjgfC4Pbc-GacTKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, at the last minute before tonight's PSAT-2 passes, I finally figured
out the correct format for the DTMF QSL messages & answered my own question.

Here's a tweet w/ screen shots & audio URLs from tonight's successful DTMF
connections:

https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/1161174309328621573

I found the following page particularly helpful:

http://aprs.org/QIKcom/Q2-DTMF-messages.txt

... in particular, the instruction:

---------------------------------------------

DTMF messages are sent in a 16 key string starting with the "C", ending in #

  //

    CMMxxCCCCCCkkkk#  Where CCCCCCkkkk are your callsign keys and key code
                      and MM is the message number below

---------------------------------------------

.. so, here is how it breaks down if anyone else could use the extra
help that I did.

Get your call/grid DTMF from http://aprs.org/PSAT2Translator.html

(important note:  if your callsign is less than 6 characters, put a
space or 2 at the end to bring your character count to -6- before
clicking "Translate")

... so for a CQ, I use that string exactly:

*18175453702201#

However, if I want to QSL someone else's CQ, I only use the call sign
portion of that DTMF string.  The string that gave me the QSL success
was:

C40455453702201#

... let's break that in its parts:

>C :  message follows
>40 :  message #40 is a QSL
>45 :   I am QSL-ing CQ #45   (from KC9ELU as seen on http://www.aprsat.com/dtmf ) [... or heard directly over-the-air!! ]
>545370 :  the call sign portion of my original DTMF translation
>2201 : also from the original DTMF translation - simply put, a converted 'key code' that goes with the previous numbers representing my call sign
># :   END of message

I won't go into the creation of the DTMF audio file here (I use
Audacity); please feel free to contact me if you need help on that.  I
used audio files transmitted via Signalink at my location, but of
course if you have a radio with DTMF memory capability, that's an
option, too.

Hope that is helpful to someone else since I was so slow on the
pick-up on how to format the QSL type of message.

-Scott,  K4KDR

======================


On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:46 PM Scott <scott23192 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Many thanks to Robert for the time he's put into creating these very
> informative web pages!
>
> Bob, I have read and re-read the DTMF instructions but even though it
> reflects poorly on me, I'm not sure what exact string to transmit to QSL
> someone's previous CQ.
>
> So here is my best guess - please correct as required.
>
> My callsign/grid DTMF (that has worked once) is:  *18175453702201#
>
> For me to QSL CQ #45 from KC9ELU, do I transmit the following?:
>
> C4045*18175453702201#
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Scott,  K4KDR
>
> ==========================
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:55 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
>> data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
>> links for PSAT2:
>>
>> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>>
>> Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory on
>> your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
>> compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>>
>> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
>> APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
>> packet.
>>
>> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but
>> with
>> a new CQ number.
>>
>> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
>> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>>
>> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
>> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
>> or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>>
>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
>

From g0mrf at aol.com  Tue Aug 13 11:03:06 2019
From: g0mrf at aol.com (David G0MRF)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:03:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Doppler tracking software - max limits?
References: <1990412147.3359413.1565694186520.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1990412147.3359413.1565694186520@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
Does anyone in the group know the max limits for Doppler tracking in the currently available software packages?
I'm aware that L band from LEO is fairly comfortable, but? how about tracking higher frequencies ?
I suppose the limiting factor could be the update rate....If the software cannot keep up with a rate determined bythe rate of change of doppler compared to the bandwidth of the transmission.......then the satellite cannot be tracked successfully.
145MHz?? +/-? 3.5kHz? ish10.45G???? +/-? 250kHz? ish

Fortunately, it gets easier with light...........

Many thanks
David

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 13 11:12:49 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:12:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Outline: Initiation through Launch & Management
In-Reply-To: <e07478d9-73d8-0a23-dc2b-cad1a638238b@msa.hinet.net>
References: <1479187119.3137522.1565634011978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1479187119.3137522.1565634011978@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1677c104-87e7-4329-e856-2d8eb682d6ce@amsat.org>
	<e07478d9-73d8-0a23-dc2b-cad1a638238b@msa.hinet.net>
Message-ID: <1393018789.3354357.1565694769640@mail.yahoo.com>

 Had Hans not replied, I'd have missed Daniel's informative post.? I have a feeling I may be missing e-mails from AMSAT-BB. :-/
Happily, I have some additional reading to do.? Thank you, Daniel!? Also...thank you to Terry (ZL2BAC) for sending me a very interesting on-topic document, directly!
I wasn't quite sure how to deal with informative, non-snarky responses but I figured it out. Lol.

Ev, W2EV

    On Monday, August 12, 2019, 11:44:35 PM EDT, Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 So what if the satellite was launched by Canada? It's AMSAT-NA, so 
Canada is included (I presume). If the USA has too many restrictions on 
launching requirements then go for a non-USA solutionm, I would say. 
(But what do I know? Just looking around the corner).

Hans

BX2ABT


On 08/13/2019 06:02 AM, Daniel Kekez via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> On 2019-08-12 18:20, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Is there a general outline of the steps that are followed to get a satellite into orbit?? If so...point me?
> Each launch provider will publish a Payload Planner's Guide that will
> describe the environment on the rocket during all phases of launch,
> which will dictate the minimum testing regime for the satellite. The
> guide will also include the documentation that must be delivered as part
> of that process.
>
> As an example, Spaceflight Services has a guide for their ride share
> opportunities:
>
> https://spaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Spaceflight-Mission-Planning-Guide-Rev-G.pdf
>
> One also needs to comply with government licensing requirements. In the
> US that would be the FCC:
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/guidance-obtaining-licenses-small-satellites
>
> And I believe the FCC also requires an Orbital Debris Assessment Report:
> ??? https://standards.nasa.gov/standard/nasa/nasa-std-871914
> But perhaps someone who has gone through the American process can
> explain it in more detail.
>
> Also, if the satellite has a camera, it must obtain a remote sensing
> license from NOAA.
>
> 73,
> -Daniel, VA3KKZ
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From py5lf at falautomation.com.br  Tue Aug 13 11:22:21 2019
From: py5lf at falautomation.com.br (PY5LF)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:22:21 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAy53m64HzOHLwv9k8bQVs1eCwUrr4RdUNDBXBjm143uRMk9sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
Here is a short video with instructions to IC9700, FTM400, FTM100,  DMTF.
https://youtu.be/0DQTbjiscP4
I hope it helps .
73

Em seg, 12 de ago de 2019 ?s 22:56, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> escreveu:

> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
> data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
> links for PSAT2:
>
> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory on
> your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
> compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>
> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
> APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
> packet.
>
> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but with
> a new CQ number.
>
> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>
> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
> or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Tue Aug 13 12:35:08 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:35:08 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CAAy53m64HzOHLwv9k8bQVs1eCwUrr4RdUNDBXBjm143uRMk9sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAy53m64HzOHLwv9k8bQVs1eCwUrr4RdUNDBXBjm143uRMk9sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ae731429584cd53fb6e229d20b69351@mail.gmail.com>

Luciano,

Can you test the BXX40CCCCCC# QSL messages and see if they show up on the
web page for DTMF?

Thanks

Bob





*From:* PY5LF <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:22 AM
*To:* Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>; AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
*Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages



Hi

Here is a short video with instructions to IC9700, FTM400, FTM100,  DMTF.

https://youtu.be/0DQTbjiscP4

I hope it helps .

73



Em seg, 12 de ago de 2019 ?s 22:56, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> escreveu:

Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
links for PSAT2:

http://aprs.org/sats.html

Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory on
your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
compensation or at the middle of a pass.

PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
packet.

A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but with
a new CQ number.

Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.

Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.

Bob, WB4APR
_______________________________________________
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expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Tue Aug 13 12:53:48 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:53:48 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59f7d2ea931d2b789bd29ec6473e7321@mail.gmail.com>

See in the middle of the page under DTMF messages the format for QSL:

DTMF special reversed QSL Message Format: . . . Bxx40CCCCCCXXXX#

The "C" format is for general messages.
The "B" format allows you to reverse the order of the modifier and message
number so that you can store the message number 40, or 41, or 42 and
callsign in memory and then all you have to do is manually enter "BNN" and
then play back y our prestored message 40 and call.

http://aprs.org/psat2.html

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Scott via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 11:47 PM
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages

Many thanks to Robert for the time he's put into creating these very
informative web pages!

Bob, I have read and re-read the DTMF instructions but even though it
reflects poorly on me, I'm not sure what exact string to transmit to QSL
someone's previous CQ.

So here is my best guess - please correct as required.

My callsign/grid DTMF (that has worked once) is:  *18175453702201#

For me to QSL CQ #45 from KC9ELU, do I transmit the following?:

C4045*18175453702201#


Thanks in advance!

-Scott,  K4KDR

==========================

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:55 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and
> Messages data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to
> the list of links for PSAT2:
>
> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF
> memory on your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi
> doppler compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>
> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends
> an APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture
> that packet.
>
> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but
> with a new CQ number.
>
> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>
> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a
> week or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
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From wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc  Tue Aug 13 14:00:11 2019
From: wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:00:11 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
In-Reply-To: <CAPk0USyrfVPOYNGYc_ro4iEBKVoFEpMWroShi1XKvEXUiNOSig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2020599126.4148530.1565558247161.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2020599126.4148530.1565558247161@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0b9ef8ad-387f-fbc9-dc18-5b9759f4ec0d@pobox.com>
	<1503928964.4134649.1565559696206@mail.yahoo.com>
	<493C37EB-5C17-4775-B814-B421B0365382@gmail.com>
	<CABX7KxWXtfaiCJdkWfhUadVensN-H0PGEXbgUbZjkEt_k_fqsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701d5509b$b900ad80$2b020880$@gokarns.com>
	<CAPk0USz2iMNLo4PpYj1kB9iivyJXro6zW9G1478CmZkzZLpdhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1C35608FF694C62A5555B44A949A430@DESKTOPL0IAS8B>
	<8AAC53DF-9A58-41D2-B3E4-FE9897E2852C@verizon.net>
	<CAPk0USyrfVPOYNGYc_ro4iEBKVoFEpMWroShi1XKvEXUiNOSig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxXrt0WFvSW_CBM6UfyEMUPRRugTkbPO0f6kh9uHhTu-zg@mail.gmail.com>

The chat people are in central and know only what the us in the database,
 which obviously has problems. I got Sunday nite with no prob. Tuesday nite
was the hard one, but Maria solved it

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Martha via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Just got off the phone with the Sales Manager.  She will call me back with
> the number of rooms available Tuesday-Sunday.  If the block is full she
> will try to add extra rooms.  As soon as I hear something, I'll let you
> know.
>
> Martha
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:16 PM Frank <K6FW1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > When I booked I got the $149 rate for Oct 15-21.
> >
> > Frank
> > K6FW
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat
> function
> > with a Hilton customer service rep.
> > >
> > > The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to
> stay
> > Sunday night, you'll have to book that night separately (at a much higher
> > rate).
> > >
> > > The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
> > >
> > > Glenn
> > > AA5PK
> > >
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
> > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
> > > To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
> > > Cc: AMSAT BB
> > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> > >
> > > The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still
> > have
> > > problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
> > >
> > > 73- Martha
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
> > >> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
> > >>
> > >> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
> > >> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
> > >> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
> > >> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
> > >> To: Mike McCann
> > >> Cc: AMSAT BB
> > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> > >>
> > >> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially
> managed
> > to
> > >> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the
> > start
> > >> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got
> > the
> > >> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
> > >>
> > >> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
> > >> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first
> person
> > >> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say
> > that
> > >> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's
> > possible
> > >> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW,
> do
> > >> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but
> is
> > the
> > >> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out
> > of
> > >> that is REALLY difficult.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> > >> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I
> > needed up
> > >> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
> > >> saved
> > >> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not
> > just a
> > >> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where
> I
> > >> have
> > >> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t
> > work. I
> > >> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
> > >> within
> > >> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
> > >> >
> > >> > Jeff WE4B
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> > >> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > >> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> > >> > available rooms and rates below.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Mike
> > >> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
> > >> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > >> > >> Hello All,
> > >> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for
> the
> > >> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
> > >> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> > >> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Group code is "RAS".
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to
> view
> > a
> > >> > > room at $150/night.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- Zach
> > >> > > N0ZGO
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> > available
> > >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > >> > Opinions expressed
> > >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > views
> > >> of
> > >> > AMSAT-NA.
> > >> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > >> > program!
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> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > >> expressed
> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
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> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > >> expressed
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> of
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> > > --
> > > 73- Martha
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> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From martha at amsat.org  Tue Aug 13 16:02:02 2019
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:02:02 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
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Rooms have been added to Tuesday and Wednesday (7 each). Sunday 25 rooms
were added.

Good Luck

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:01 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The chat people are in central and know only what the us in the database,
>  which obviously has problems. I got Sunday nite with no prob. Tuesday nite
> was the hard one, but Maria solved it
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Martha via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Just got off the phone with the Sales Manager.  She will call me back
> with
> > the number of rooms available Tuesday-Sunday.  If the block is full she
> > will try to add extra rooms.  As soon as I hear something, I'll let you
> > know.
> >
> > Martha
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:16 PM Frank <K6FW1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > When I booked I got the $149 rate for Oct 15-21.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > > K6FW
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat
> > function
> > > with a Hilton customer service rep.
> > > >
> > > > The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to
> > stay
> > > Sunday night, you'll have to book that night separately (at a much
> higher
> > > rate).
> > > >
> > > > The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
> > > >
> > > > Glenn
> > > > AA5PK
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message----- From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
> > > > To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
> > > > Cc: AMSAT BB
> > > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> > > >
> > > > The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still
> > > have
> > > > problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
> > > >
> > > > 73- Martha
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
> > > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is
> well
> > > >> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
> > > >>
> > > >> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to
> meeting
> > > >> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Frank
> > > >>
> > > >> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of
> Burns
> > > >> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
> > > >> To: Mike McCann
> > > >> Cc: AMSAT BB
> > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
> > > >>
> > > >> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially
> > managed
> > > to
> > > >> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the
> > > start
> > > >> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I
> got
> > > the
> > > >> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
> > > >>
> > > >> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
> > > >> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first
> > person
> > > >> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say
> > > that
> > > >> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's
> > > possible
> > > >> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.
> BTW,
> > do
> > > >> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but
> > is
> > > the
> > > >> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting
> out
> > > of
> > > >> that is REALLY difficult.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
> > > >> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I
> > > needed up
> > > >> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing
> so,
> > > >> saved
> > > >> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not
> > > just a
> > > >> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events
> where
> > I
> > > >> have
> > > >> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t
> > > work. I
> > > >> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive
> options
> > > >> within
> > > >> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Jeff WE4B
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
> > > >> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
> > > >> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
> > > >> > available rooms and rates below.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Mike
> > > >> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger
> via
> > > >> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > > >> > >> Hello All,
> > > >> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for
> > the
> > > >> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any
> rooms
> > > >> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
> > > >> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Group code is "RAS".
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to
> > view
> > > a
> > > >> > > room at $150/night.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --- Zach
> > > >> > > N0ZGO
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> > > available
> > > >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
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> > > >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > > views
> > > >> of
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> available
> > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > > >> expressed
> > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
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> > of
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> available
> > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > > >> expressed
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > 73- Martha
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> available
> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > 73- Martha
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-- 
73- Martha

From e.krome at comcast.net  Tue Aug 13 16:21:36 2019
From: e.krome at comcast.net (Ed Krome)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:21:36 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
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Thank you! Worked great. 
See you soon!

Ed Krome K9EK

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Martha <martha at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Rooms have been added to Tuesday and Wednesday (7 each). Sunday 25 rooms were added.
> 
> Good Luck
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:01 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> The chat people are in central and know only what the us in the database,
>>  which obviously has problems. I got Sunday nite with no prob. Tuesday nite
>> was the hard one, but Maria solved it
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Martha via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Just got off the phone with the Sales Manager.  She will call me back with
>> > the number of rooms available Tuesday-Sunday.  If the block is full she
>> > will try to add extra rooms.  As soon as I hear something, I'll let you
>> > know.
>> >
>> > Martha
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:16 PM Frank <K6FW1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > When I booked I got the $149 rate for Oct 15-21.
>> > >
>> > > Frank
>> > > K6FW
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Glenn Miller - AA5PK via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I just finished booking my symposium room using the online chat
>> > function
>> > > with a Hilton customer service rep.
>> > > >
>> > > > The AMSAT rate is only good through Saturday night.  If you plan to
>> > stay
>> > > Sunday night, you'll have to book that night separately (at a much higher
>> > > rate).
>> > > >
>> > > > The CS rep said the AMSAT block of rooms was filling up quickly.
>> > > >
>> > > > Glenn
>> > > > AA5PK
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message----- From: Martha via AMSAT-BB
>> > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 AM
>> > > > To: Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
>> > > > Cc: AMSAT BB
>> > > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>> > > >
>> > > > The best way to register is to call the hotel directly.  If you still
>> > > have
>> > > > problems, ask for Maria, the Sales Manager
>> > > >
>> > > > 73- Martha
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:25 PM Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Yes, please don't flood Martha with phone calls just yet.  She is well
>> > > >> aware of the problem and diligently working on it.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> An update will be posted when we have news.  I look forward to meeting
>> > > >> everyone there...one way or the other. :-)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Cheers,
>> > > >> Frank
>> > > >>
>> > > >> FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Burns
>> > > >> Fisher via AMSAT-BB
>> > > >> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:36 PM
>> > > >> To: Mike McCann
>> > > >> Cc: AMSAT BB
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Room Rate at the Hilton
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The hotel has had all kinds of problems with this.  I initially
>> > managed
>> > > to
>> > > >> get Wed-Sun nites at the rate, but not the 15th so I could go to the
>> > > start
>> > > >> of the board meeting.   Martha has been in contact with them and I got
>> > > the
>> > > >> rate for the 15th.  But that was last Weds.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I do suggest calling them directly at the hotel, not the central
>> > > >> reservation line.  Push to talk to the group person if the first
>> > person
>> > > >> can't help.  If that does not work, check with Martha (I hate to say
>> > > that
>> > > >> since she is probably flooded with these kinds of calls!)   It's
>> > > possible
>> > > >> the block is sold out, but given the trouble, I'd be surprised.  BTW,
>> > do
>> > > >> not take the prepaid rate (which is about double the AMSAT rate, but
>> > is
>> > > the
>> > > >> next cheapest thing) until all other avenues are covered.  Getting out
>> > > of
>> > > >> that is REALLY difficult.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:57 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > >> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > I had the same issue for last year?s symposium in Huntsville. I
>> > > needed up
>> > > >> > just staying across the street from the host hotel and, by doing so,
>> > > >> saved
>> > > >> > about $100 and in a newer property with better amenities. It?s not
>> > > just a
>> > > >> > problem with AMSAT events, I travel frequently to many events where
>> > I
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> > to self-book and almost 50% of the time the ?special? codes don?t
>> > > work. I
>> > > >> > would just give the hotel a call or look for less expensive options
>> > > >> within
>> > > >> > a reasonable distance. Best of luck and 73!
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Jeff WE4B
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > >> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Yep I used group code "RAS"
>> > > >> > > It replies with: The requested rate is not available. View other
>> > > >> > available rooms and rates below.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Mike
>> > > >> > >    On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:30:43 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via
>> > > >> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > On 08/11/19 16:17, Mike McCann via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > > >> > >> Hello All,
>> > > >> > >> I just tried to make a reservation at the Arlington Hilton for
>> > the
>> > > >> > AMSAT Symposium, the Web site is saying that there aren't any rooms
>> > > >> > available at the AMSAT rate. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
>> > > >> > >> Mike KB2GHZ
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Did you use the correct link / reservation code?
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > https://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/D/DCAVAHF-RAS-20191015/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Group code is "RAS".
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > I used this and set the dates for 17th - 20th, and was able to
>> > view
>> > > a
>> > > >> > > room at $150/night.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > --- Zach
>> > > >> > > N0ZGO
>> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> > > available
>> > > >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > >> > Opinions expressed
>> > > >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> > > views
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> > AMSAT-NA.
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>> > > >> > program!
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>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> > > available
>> > > >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > >> > Opinions expressed
>> > > >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> > > views
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > >> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > >> > program!
>> > > >> > > Subscription settings:
>> > > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > >> > _______________________________________________
>> > > >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> > available
>> > > >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > >> Opinions
>> > > >> > expressed
>> > > >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> > views
>> > > of
>> > > >> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > >> program!
>> > > >> > Subscription settings:
>> > > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > Opinions
>> > > >> expressed
>> > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> > of
>> > > >> AMSAT-NA.
>> > > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > program!
>> > > >> Subscription settings:
>> > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > >>
>> > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > Opinions
>> > > >> expressed
>> > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> > of
>> > > >> AMSAT-NA.
>> > > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > program!
>> > > >> Subscription settings:
>> > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > 73- Martha
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > Opinions expressed
>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> > of
>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > program!
>> > > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > Opinions expressed
>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> > of
>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > program!
>> > > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > 73- Martha
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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> 
> 
> -- 
> 73- Martha

From py5lf at falautomation.com.br  Tue Aug 13 18:53:13 2019
From: py5lf at falautomation.com.br (PY5LF)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:53:13 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <8ae731429584cd53fb6e229d20b69351@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAy53m64HzOHLwv9k8bQVs1eCwUrr4RdUNDBXBjm143uRMk9sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ae731429584cd53fb6e229d20b69351@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAy53m7F7W2kDrHC33ggPEiRuhED_Tt8wnYqbuASjyas=UAQ0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
Sent a message answering an CQ number 55 and my number is 58.
https://www.facebook.com/py5lf/videos/2673063846046649/?t=0
73

Em ter, 13 de ago de 2019 ?s 09:35, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
escreveu:

> Luciano,
>
> Can you test the BXX40CCCCCC# QSL messages and see if they show up on the
> web page for DTMF?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* PY5LF <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:22 AM
> *To:* Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>; AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Here is a short video with instructions to IC9700, FTM400, FTM100,  DMTF.
>
> https://youtu.be/0DQTbjiscP4
>
> I hope it helps .
>
> 73
>
>
>
> Em seg, 12 de ago de 2019 ?s 22:56, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> escreveu:
>
> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
> data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
> links for PSAT2:
>
> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory on
> your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
> compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>
> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
> APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
> packet.
>
> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but with
> a new CQ number.
>
> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>
> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
> or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *PY5LF *
>
> *Luciano Fabricio*
>
> *www.falautomation.com.br <http://www.falautomation.com.br>*
>
>
>


-- 
*PY5LF *
*Luciano Fabricio*
*www.falautomation.com.br <http://www.falautomation.com.br>*

From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 19:04:55 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:04:55 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CAAy53m7F7W2kDrHC33ggPEiRuhED_Tt8wnYqbuASjyas=UAQ0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAy53m64HzOHLwv9k8bQVs1eCwUrr4RdUNDBXBjm143uRMk9sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ae731429584cd53fb6e229d20b69351@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAy53m7F7W2kDrHC33ggPEiRuhED_Tt8wnYqbuASjyas=UAQ0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABaTVVZrHc_-DzivFObSZHj6k_nKy6f64p2Pofxge9uYd=amgQ@mail.gmail.com>

You're packets arrived on the website: http://www.aprsat.com/dtmf

>>>PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*,qAO,PY5LF-10:>GG54LL/G CQ#59

>>>PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*,qAO,PY5LF-10::ALL : Q S L, your number 55, My number
is 58.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:54 AM PY5LF via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi
> Sent a message answering an CQ number 55 and my number is 58.
> https://www.facebook.com/py5lf/videos/2673063846046649/?t=0
> 73
>
> Em ter, 13 de ago de 2019 ?s 09:35, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> escreveu:
>
> > Luciano,
> >
> > Can you test the BXX40CCCCCC# QSL messages and see if they show up on the
> > web page for DTMF?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* PY5LF <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:22 AM
> > *To:* Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>; AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Here is a short video with instructions to IC9700, FTM400, FTM100,  DMTF.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/0DQTbjiscP4
> >
> > I hope it helps .
> >
> > 73
> >
> >
> >
> > Em seg, 12 de ago de 2019 ?s 22:56, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> escreveu:
> >
> > Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
> > data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
> > links for PSAT2:
> >
> > http://aprs.org/sats.html
> >
> > Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory
> on
> > your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
> > compensation or at the middle of a pass.
> >
> > PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
> > APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
> > packet.
> >
> > A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but
> with
> > a new CQ number.
> >
> > Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
> > number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
> >
> > Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
> > PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
> > or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > *PY5LF *
> >
> > *Luciano Fabricio*
> >
> > *www.falautomation.com.br <http://www.falautomation.com.br>*
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *PY5LF *
> *Luciano Fabricio*
> *www.falautomation.com.br <http://www.falautomation.com.br>*
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From ik5nax at radioteknos.it  Tue Aug 13 21:04:03 2019
From: ik5nax at radioteknos.it (Lapo Pieri)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:04:03 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] EO-88, finally!
Message-ID: <20190813210403.GE3349@debian>

Hi,
this evening I've had the pleasure to make my first qso on EO-88, thank to
Francesco IK0FVC! For half of the pass the sat was in eclipse and the
transponder active, enough to complete the qso.

73, Lapo IK5NAX

From aj9n at aol.com  Wed Aug 14 01:55:21 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 01:55:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-14 01:30
	UTC
References: <2125872212.3634262.1565747721780.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2125872212.3634262.1565747721780@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-14 01:30 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg 

Watch for live stream at www.ariotti.com starting about 15 min before AOS. 

?

The Children?s Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda, MD (CASIS#3), telebridge via VK4KHZ 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA 

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-22 17:16:22 UTC 38 deg 

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-14 01:30 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-09 04:00 UTC. http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1326. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1269.

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 14 02:02:57 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:02:57 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Loreto College, Adelaide,
	South Australia, Australia
Message-ID: <CCB2F1DF068E4098982DC12E77FD60CE@DHJ>

 

 

 

 

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

on 15 August. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 09:17 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between IR0ISS and IK1SLD. The contact should be audible over Italy and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

Loreto College Marryatville is South Australia's only all-girls independent Catholic day and boarding school, catering for approximately 600 students from Early Learning to Year 12. The College was established in 1905 and is set on beautiful heritage grounds. Being one of seven Australian Loreto Schools united by the vision of Mary Ward, the College prides itself on the development of strong, passionate, and confident girls and young women who have the social consciousness to make a difference to our world. A Loreto education is built from a 400-year-old foundation that articulates the importance of educating girls and young women so that they will actively take a place in society and influence their world through a set of strong values and beliefs. In delivering this view, Loreto College Marryatville provides girls with a well-rounded education where students are presented with a broad range of opportunities and given the support and encouragement needed so that they become confident and engaged learners.

 

There are approximately 85 teaching and non-teaching staff to support student learning.  Coordinating teacher is Ann-Maree Tippins.  Supporting teachers are Patty Warrender, Alison Thompson, Andrew Baker, Isabelle Roberts.

 

Dr Nicole Archard is Principal and supported the College's first trip to NASA, Cape Kennedy Centre, in 2017.  A group of 16 girls, accompanied by 2 teachers, experienced 5 days as part of a Space Camp.  We were fortunate enough to meet the astronaut, John David Bartoe or JD, who was so friendly and inspiring.  One of our students, Holly MacRae, had a personal meeting with Luca Parmitano, who departs on July 20 as part of Expedition 60-61.

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1. Why are you in space? What are you working on?

2. How long have you been on the space station?

3. Do you ever worry about space junk hitting the ISS?

4. Do you go outside the space station?

5. What can you see in space from the ISS?

6. What does space smell like?

7. What is the most needed object in space?

8. Does time change in space?

9. Why does it look slow when the ISS is going so fast? 

10. How do you know it is lunchtime when it's always dark?

11. How do you eat without your food going everywhere?

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From scott23192 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 05:25:42 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 01:25:42 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CAJCSnOZ6ZEHmQooWT6GRL8zQ+rTnswEXzGkjgfC4Pbc-GacTKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnOZ6ZEHmQooWT6GRL8zQ+rTnswEXzGkjgfC4Pbc-GacTKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnObP+kmfgLZpgEznwfAUpHe16ZS_hf=T9ObUKa1iofdoKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, more great news on the PSAT-2 DTMF front.

In my previous post I had mentioned that the satellite accepted a "QSL"
from me against KC9ELU's CQ message.  Here's the downlink from that:

--------------------------------------------
}K4KDR >APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      : Q S L, your number 45, My number is 53.
--------------------------------------------

Well, on tonight's 0445 UTC pass, even though PSAT-2 was well past me and
losing elevation, KC9ELU got through to it with a QSL of my #53!

The downlink audio was something like "KC9ELU QSL your CQ #53 - Thanks for
the Contact".  I can only paraphrase because like a total idiot with the
satellite so far past me, I had stopped recording.  Yes... I should know
better and am usually more careful.

Anyway, great fun to see the full contact sequence completed, even if it
took multiple passes on different days.

***UPDATE:  Just got an email from KC9ELU - he didn't have audio but did
decode the downlink packet!  Makes me feel better to actually see it:

---------------------------------------------
}KC9ELU>APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      : Q S L, your C Q number 53 and thanks for
the contact.
---------------------------------------------

Earlier in the pass I was able to get another QSL accepted against PY5LF's
CQ #59, too:

--------------------------------------------
PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}K4KDR >APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      : Q S L, your number
59,  My number is 62.
--------------------------------------------

... but Direwolf decoded that downlink packet with a bit error, so it was
not iGated onto the greater APRS network.  But that's going to happen
sometimes, especially with a sat at low elevation.  At least I got to hear
and see the feedback that I was heard by the DTMF engine.  Here is the
downlink audio from that one:

https://www.qsl.net/k/k4kdr//files/2019-08-14--0445--psat2.mp3

So Luciano, if you'd like to QSL my #62, the satellite should respond with
that "Thanks for the Contact" message to complete that full exchange.

-Scott,  K4KDR

=================================


On the 0448 UTC pass tonight, even though the satellite was well past me

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:38 AM Scott <scott23192 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, at the last minute before tonight's PSAT-2 passes, I finally figured
> out the correct format for the DTMF QSL messages & answered my own question.
>
> Here's a tweet w/ screen shots & audio URLs from tonight's successful DTMF
> connections:
>
> https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/1161174309328621573
>
> I found the following page particularly helpful:
>
> http://aprs.org/QIKcom/Q2-DTMF-messages.txt
>
> ... in particular, the instruction:
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> DTMF messages are sent in a 16 key string starting with the "C", ending in #
>
>   //
>
>     CMMxxCCCCCCkkkk#  Where CCCCCCkkkk are your callsign keys and key code
>                       and MM is the message number below
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> .. so, here is how it breaks down if anyone else could use the extra help that I did.
>
> Get your call/grid DTMF from http://aprs.org/PSAT2Translator.html
>
> (important note:  if your callsign is less than 6 characters, put a space or 2 at the end to bring your character count to -6- before clicking "Translate")
>
> ... so for a CQ, I use that string exactly:
>
> *18175453702201#
>
> However, if I want to QSL someone else's CQ, I only use the call sign portion of that DTMF string.  The string that gave me the QSL success was:
>
> C40455453702201#
>
> ... let's break that in its parts:
>
> >C :  message follows
> >40 :  message #40 is a QSL
> >45 :   I am QSL-ing CQ #45   (from KC9ELU as seen on http://www.aprsat.com/dtmf ) [... or heard directly over-the-air!! ]
> >545370 :  the call sign portion of my original DTMF translation
> >2201 : also from the original DTMF translation - simply put, a converted 'key code' that goes with the previous numbers representing my call sign
> ># :   END of message
>
> I won't go into the creation of the DTMF audio file here (I use Audacity); please feel free to contact me if you need help on that.  I used audio files transmitted via Signalink at my location, but of course if you have a radio with DTMF memory capability, that's an option, too.
>
> Hope that is helpful to someone else since I was so slow on the pick-up on how to format the QSL type of message.
>
> -Scott,  K4KDR
>
> ======================
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:46 PM Scott <scott23192 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks to Robert for the time he's put into creating these very
>> informative web pages!
>>
>> Bob, I have read and re-read the DTMF instructions but even though it
>> reflects poorly on me, I'm not sure what exact string to transmit to QSL
>> someone's previous CQ.
>>
>> So here is my best guess - please correct as required.
>>
>> My callsign/grid DTMF (that has worked once) is:  *18175453702201#
>>
>> For me to QSL CQ #45 from KC9ELU, do I transmit the following?:
>>
>> C4045*18175453702201#
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> -Scott,  K4KDR
>>
>> ==========================
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:55 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
>>> data coming down from PSAT2.  I have added the DTMF page to the list of
>>> links for PSAT2:
>>>
>>> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>>>
>>> Summary:  You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory
>>> on
>>> your radio.  Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
>>> compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>>>
>>> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
>>> APRS packet that contains the grid.  Robert's web page will capture that
>>> packet.
>>>
>>> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but
>>> with
>>> a new CQ number.
>>>
>>> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
>>> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>>>
>>> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
>>> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
>>> or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>>>
>>> Bob, WB4APR
>>>
>>

From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 14 12:59:57 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:59:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 downlink for DTMF grids and messages
In-Reply-To: <CAJCSnObP+kmfgLZpgEznwfAUpHe16ZS_hf=T9ObUKa1iofdoKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdCfNLCrs09kkEhdLC2UD9B8uUFOLx6c9OokLL7dVM78h+Y+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnOZvC+Yn9iwZTenxK8fdfQQF88+_w8sDD1rYffcPJjVR3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnOZ6ZEHmQooWT6GRL8zQ+rTnswEXzGkjgfC4Pbc-GacTKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnObP+kmfgLZpgEznwfAUpHe16ZS_hf=T9ObUKa1iofdoKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <151234471.5250446.1565787597540@mail.yahoo.com>

That is so cool! I am beginning to TX with DTMF; I hope to get it working soon from my Yeasu FT2DR without doppler shifting.
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 10:29:59 PM PDT, Scott via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Well, more great news on the PSAT-2 DTMF front.

In my previous post I had mentioned that the satellite accepted a "QSL"
from me against KC9ELU's CQ message.? Here's the downlink from that:

--------------------------------------------
}K4KDR >APS,TT,PS2*::ALL? ? ? : Q S L, your number 45, My number is 53.
--------------------------------------------

Well, on tonight's 0445 UTC pass, even though PSAT-2 was well past me and
losing elevation, KC9ELU got through to it with a QSL of my #53!

The downlink audio was something like "KC9ELU QSL your CQ #53 - Thanks for
the Contact".? I can only paraphrase because like a total idiot with the
satellite so far past me, I had stopped recording.? Yes... I should know
better and am usually more careful.

Anyway, great fun to see the full contact sequence completed, even if it
took multiple passes on different days.

***UPDATE:? Just got an email from KC9ELU - he didn't have audio but did
decode the downlink packet!? Makes me feel better to actually see it:

---------------------------------------------
}KC9ELU>APS,TT,PS2*::ALL? ? ? : Q S L, your C Q number 53 and thanks for
the contact.
---------------------------------------------

Earlier in the pass I was able to get another QSL accepted against PY5LF's
CQ #59, too:

--------------------------------------------
PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}K4KDR >APS,TT,PS2*::ALL? ? ? : Q S L, your number
59,? My number is 62.
--------------------------------------------

... but Direwolf decoded that downlink packet with a bit error, so it was
not iGated onto the greater APRS network.? But that's going to happen
sometimes, especially with a sat at low elevation.? At least I got to hear
and see the feedback that I was heard by the DTMF engine.? Here is the
downlink audio from that one:

https://www.qsl.net/k/k4kdr//files/2019-08-14--0445--psat2.mp3

So Luciano, if you'd like to QSL my #62, the satellite should respond with
that "Thanks for the Contact" message to complete that full exchange.

-Scott,? K4KDR

=================================


On the 0448 UTC pass tonight, even though the satellite was well past me

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:38 AM Scott <scott23192 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, at the last minute before tonight's PSAT-2 passes, I finally figured
> out the correct format for the DTMF QSL messages & answered my own question.
>
> Here's a tweet w/ screen shots & audio URLs from tonight's successful DTMF
> connections:
>
> https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/1161174309328621573
>
> I found the following page particularly helpful:
>
> http://aprs.org/QIKcom/Q2-DTMF-messages.txt
>
> ... in particular, the instruction:
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> DTMF messages are sent in a 16 key string starting with the "C", ending in #
>
>? //
>
>? ? CMMxxCCCCCCkkkk#? Where CCCCCCkkkk are your callsign keys and key code
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? and MM is the message number below
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> .. so, here is how it breaks down if anyone else could use the extra help that I did.
>
> Get your call/grid DTMF from http://aprs.org/PSAT2Translator.html
>
> (important note:? if your callsign is less than 6 characters, put a space or 2 at the end to bring your character count to -6- before clicking "Translate")
>
> ... so for a CQ, I use that string exactly:
>
> *18175453702201#
>
> However, if I want to QSL someone else's CQ, I only use the call sign portion of that DTMF string.? The string that gave me the QSL success was:
>
> C40455453702201#
>
> ... let's break that in its parts:
>
> >C :? message follows
> >40 :? message #40 is a QSL
> >45 :? I am QSL-ing CQ #45? (from KC9ELU as seen on http://www.aprsat.com/dtmf ) [... or heard directly over-the-air!! ]
> >545370 :? the call sign portion of my original DTMF translation
> >2201 : also from the original DTMF translation - simply put, a converted 'key code' that goes with the previous numbers representing my call sign
> ># :? END of message
>
> I won't go into the creation of the DTMF audio file here (I use Audacity); please feel free to contact me if you need help on that.? I used audio files transmitted via Signalink at my location, but of course if you have a radio with DTMF memory capability, that's an option, too.
>
> Hope that is helpful to someone else since I was so slow on the pick-up on how to format the QSL type of message.
>
> -Scott,? K4KDR
>
> ======================
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:46 PM Scott <scott23192 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks to Robert for the time he's put into creating these very
>> informative web pages!
>>
>> Bob, I have read and re-read the DTMF instructions but even though it
>> reflects poorly on me, I'm not sure what exact string to transmit to QSL
>> someone's previous CQ.
>>
>> So here is my best guess - please correct as required.
>>
>> My callsign/grid DTMF (that has worked once) is:? *18175453702201#
>>
>> For me to QSL CQ #45 from KC9ELU, do I transmit the following?:
>>
>> C4045*18175453702201#
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> -Scott,? K4KDR
>>
>> ==========================
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:55 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, we can now capture the DTMF Grids and Messages
>>> data coming down from PSAT2.? I have added the DTMF page to the list of
>>> links for PSAT2:
>>>
>>> http://aprs.org/sats.html
>>>
>>> Summary:? You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory
>>> on
>>> your radio.? Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 withi doppler
>>> compensation or at the middle of a pass.
>>>
>>> PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends an
>>> APRS packet that contains the grid.? Robert's web page will capture that
>>> packet.
>>>
>>> A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but
>>> with
>>> a new CQ number.
>>>
>>> Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
>>> number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.
>>>
>>> Details on the psat2 page on the above web page.
>>> PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a week
>>> or so and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.
>>>
>>> Bob, WB4APR
>>>
>>
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From wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 14 15:56:19 2019
From: wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com (Mark Thompson)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:56:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL/TAPR DCC, Detroit,
 9/20-22 (Early Bird Registration Discount Ending)
In-Reply-To: <469148717.1184207.1565028528023@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1727715849.1178427.1565028176302.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1727715849.1178427.1565028176302@mail.yahoo.com>
	<469148717.1184207.1565028528023@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48131364.3811362.1565798179981@mail.yahoo.com>

2019 ARRL/TAPR DCC?(Digital Communications Conference)?
Detroit, MI (near airport)?
September 20 - 22

Early Bird Discount Registration Discount?

Ending on Thursday, August 15th?


DCC Features: - Two days of Technical Forums on Friday & Saturday - Introductory Forums on Saturday - Saturday Night Banquet with Keynote Speaker & Prize Drawing - Sunday Morning In-Depth Seminar - Demo Room with Free Tables Available 

https://www.tapr.org/dcc#registration

    

From hbasri.schiers6 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 20:54:24 2019
From: hbasri.schiers6 at gmail.com (Hasan al-Basri)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:54:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] DUV Telemetry Using SDR Console v3.x
Message-ID: <CAM4UQf3MCCTirskB8UE24apkhkvqgk+GqdgCFtMU-nianR7dcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder (as I had to remind myself when moving SDRC to a new
computer):

You must turn off HighPassFiltering in *two places* inside SDR Console
Software:

1. On the Ribbon Bar at top of screen, 3rd item from the left: Receive >
Narrow FM > Click on it and deselect High Pass.

2. In Settings > Audio  > Equaliser > Deselect both boxes: Enable and 25Hz
HPF

This will allow DUV to work right in the FoxTelemetry program for
AO-85/91/92

73, N0AN
Hasan

From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 21:09:45 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:09:45 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation - Outreach #1
Message-ID: <CACvjz2VkkRLhuLpDzkEkMZV6gAoU=yLdbd6T+NNN-UdDbzJC_w@mail.gmail.com>

A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a dish
installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever been
to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling) then
this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending Symposium
last year should recognize it!

Here's a set of photos:

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1

We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out for,
prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all the
ID plates and see what's under there.

We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators to
access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to control it
from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.

This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working on
with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space Center
curator to do this study and make recommendations.

I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things even
more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know this
may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do in
any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value, and
that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much of
anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
radio, is well worth the effort.

Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation for 20
years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can achieve.
It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.

Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/

If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
then please pass this along!

-Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight

From w3ab at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 14 21:32:43 2019
From: w3ab at yahoo.com (W3AB/GEO)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:32:43 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2VkkRLhuLpDzkEkMZV6gAoU=yLdbd6T+NNN-UdDbzJC_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2VkkRLhuLpDzkEkMZV6gAoU=yLdbd6T+NNN-UdDbzJC_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71e28677-8d5e-48cb-8dc0-76965aea59d6@yahoo.com>

Wow, what an adventure. I don't recall it being there when I was, 1966.

Looks like a VHF dish. I'm sure it has been throughly decommissioned. All the electronics, cabled & motors having been removed. But maybe not. It will be interesting to see what you discover, especially after you can read the ID plates.

Something in my neck of the woods.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station
We were pretty disappointed with the new owner, he bailed, but it was used as a SETI project which closed down due to lack of funds.

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On Aug 14, 2019, 14:12, at 14:12, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a
>dish
>installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever
>been
>to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling)
>then
>this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending
>Symposium
>last year should recognize it!
>
>Here's a set of photos:
>
>https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1
>
>We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
>recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out
>for,
>prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all
>the
>ID plates and see what's under there.
>
>We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators
>to
>access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to
>control it
>from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.
>
>This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working
>on
>with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space
>Center
>curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>
>I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
>successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things
>even
>more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know
>this
>may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do
>in
>any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value,
>and
>that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much
>of
>anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
>radio, is well worth the effort.
>
>Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation
>for 20
>years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can
>achieve.
>It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
>conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
>since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>
>Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
>https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>
>If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
>then please pass this along!
>
>-Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From dan at post.com  Wed Aug 14 21:51:32 2019
From: dan at post.com (Daniel Cussen)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:51:32 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
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I would recommend trying to find out if the motors are AC or DC or some
weird voltage or stepper or servo type. If you can get the motors to move,
position feedback could be added with a simple potentiometer from a belt,
or a fancy encoder. It may be possible to use the old position feedback,
but it may be faster and easier to mount something on the outside that
gives the same result.

In terms of frequency ranges,  rate of tracking, dish beam width, these
will determine what it could be used for, and assuming you use the old
motors and the reflector on the dish is designed for vhf?, then this would
limit top frequency and maximum tracking ability aligned with beam width.
Say vhf, UHF lower microwave, and presumably the dish could track low earth
orbit or moon bounce.

Looking at the photos it looks like the right middle connector is an n type
coax connector for the feed. I assume the military type connectors are for
position feedback from some sort of rotary or absolute encoder. Often there
is an encoder mounted near or on the motor, which is AC or DC simple motor.

If the manual movement cranks work you could run belts to them and mount
new motors on the outside. Speed might be limited, but acceptable.

I would recommend adding hardware limit switches no matter what you do to
ensure the dish can never rotate too far and damage itself. It may have
limit switches inside, but they may need replacing and external switches
would be easier to service.

It would be great if this could track low earth orbit and receive school
contacts from the iss and cubesats on vhf and UHF.

I would like to see it receive 2395MHz Hamtv from the ISS, which is
relatively strong and easy to receive.


On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:11 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org
wrote:

> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a dish
> installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever been
> to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling) then
> this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending Symposium
> last year should recognize it!
>
> Here's a set of photos:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1
>
> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out for,
> prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all the
> ID plates and see what's under there.
>
> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators to
> access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to control it
> from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.
>
> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working on
> with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space Center
> curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>
> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things even
> more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know this
> may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do in
> any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value, and
> that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much of
> anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
> radio, is well worth the effort.
>
> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation for 20
> years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can achieve.
> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>
> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>
> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
> then please pass this along!
>
> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 14 22:19:25 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:19:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation
	-	Outreach #1
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Wow! Fun project. Very exciting.
Any chance there are also antique antennas at the California ground station at Goldstone. Nasa had three primary ground stations for Apollo: Spain, Australia, and California.
https://www.gdscc.nasa.gov/?

73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 2:54:16 PM PDT, Daniel Cussen via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 I would recommend trying to find out if the motors are AC or DC or some
weird voltage or stepper or servo type. If you can get the motors to move,
position feedback could be added with a simple potentiometer from a belt,
or a fancy encoder. It may be possible to use the old position feedback,
but it may be faster and easier to mount something on the outside that
gives the same result.

In terms of frequency ranges,? rate of tracking, dish beam width, these
will determine what it could be used for, and assuming you use the old
motors and the reflector on the dish is designed for vhf?, then this would
limit top frequency and maximum tracking ability aligned with beam width.
Say vhf, UHF lower microwave, and presumably the dish could track low earth
orbit or moon bounce.

Looking at the photos it looks like the right middle connector is an n type
coax connector for the feed. I assume the military type connectors are for
position feedback from some sort of rotary or absolute encoder. Often there
is an encoder mounted near or on the motor, which is AC or DC simple motor.

If the manual movement cranks work you could run belts to them and mount
new motors on the outside. Speed might be limited, but acceptable.

I would recommend adding hardware limit switches no matter what you do to
ensure the dish can never rotate too far and damage itself. It may have
limit switches inside, but they may need replacing and external switches
would be easier to service.

It would be great if this could track low earth orbit and receive school
contacts from the iss and cubesats on vhf and UHF.

I would like to see it receive 2395MHz Hamtv from the ISS, which is
relatively strong and easy to receive.


On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:11 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org
wrote:

> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a dish
> installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever been
> to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling) then
> this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending Symposium
> last year should recognize it!
>
> Here's a set of photos:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1
>
> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out for,
> prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all the
> ID plates and see what's under there.
>
> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators to
> access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to control it
> from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.
>
> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working on
> with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space Center
> curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>
> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things even
> more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know this
> may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do in
> any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value, and
> that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much of
> anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
> radio, is well worth the effort.
>
> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation for 20
> years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can achieve.
> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>
> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>
> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
> then please pass this along!
>
> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 22:34:43 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:34:43 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
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Robert,

Not that it is something we could fix but really like this site:

https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html

It lets you real time observe what Canberra, Madrid and Goldstone are
doing.  Fascinating to watch.

I don't recall the name of the site in North Carolina that has the
rejuvenated dishes.  But a ham friend of mine took a tour and it is pretty
cool stuff.  Unfortunately they are not much used because according to them
these old dishes are very expensive to operate.  Must be kind of like
buying a horse - the real money gets spent not when you buy the horse but
over the next twenty years as you pay to maintain the trusty steed!

John

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:22 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Wow! Fun project. Very exciting.
> Any chance there are also antique antennas at the California ground
> station at Goldstone. Nasa had three primary ground stations for Apollo:
> Spain, Australia, and California.
> https://www.gdscc.nasa.gov/
>
> 73
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.
> http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
>
>
>
>     On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 2:54:16 PM PDT, Daniel Cussen via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  I would recommend trying to find out if the motors are AC or DC or some
> weird voltage or stepper or servo type. If you can get the motors to move,
> position feedback could be added with a simple potentiometer from a belt,
> or a fancy encoder. It may be possible to use the old position feedback,
> but it may be faster and easier to mount something on the outside that
> gives the same result.
>
> In terms of frequency ranges,  rate of tracking, dish beam width, these
> will determine what it could be used for, and assuming you use the old
> motors and the reflector on the dish is designed for vhf?, then this would
> limit top frequency and maximum tracking ability aligned with beam width.
> Say vhf, UHF lower microwave, and presumably the dish could track low earth
> orbit or moon bounce.
>
> Looking at the photos it looks like the right middle connector is an n type
> coax connector for the feed. I assume the military type connectors are for
> position feedback from some sort of rotary or absolute encoder. Often there
> is an encoder mounted near or on the motor, which is AC or DC simple motor.
>
> If the manual movement cranks work you could run belts to them and mount
> new motors on the outside. Speed might be limited, but acceptable.
>
> I would recommend adding hardware limit switches no matter what you do to
> ensure the dish can never rotate too far and damage itself. It may have
> limit switches inside, but they may need replacing and external switches
> would be easier to service.
>
> It would be great if this could track low earth orbit and receive school
> contacts from the iss and cubesats on vhf and UHF.
>
> I would like to see it receive 2395MHz Hamtv from the ISS, which is
> relatively strong and easy to receive.
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:11 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org
> wrote:
>
> > A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a dish
> > installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever been
> > to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling)
> then
> > this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending Symposium
> > last year should recognize it!
> >
> > Here's a set of photos:
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1
> >
> > We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
> > recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out
> for,
> > prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all
> the
> > ID plates and see what's under there.
> >
> > We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators to
> > access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to control
> it
> > from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.
> >
> > This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working on
> > with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space
> Center
> > curator to do this study and make recommendations.
> >
> > I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
> > successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things even
> > more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know
> this
> > may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do
> in
> > any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value,
> and
> > that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much of
> > anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
> > radio, is well worth the effort.
> >
> > Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation for
> 20
> > years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can
> achieve.
> > It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
> > conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
> > since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
> >
> > Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
> > https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
> >
> > If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
> > then please pass this along!
> >
> > -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > expressed
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> > AMSAT-NA.
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From w9gb at icloud.com  Thu Aug 15 00:50:52 2019
From: w9gb at icloud.com (Gregory Beat)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:50:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
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Michelle -

Merritt Island Spaceflight Tracking and Data Network station (MILA) at the Kennedy Space Center (FL) was decommissioned in 2011, that was managed by NASA Goddard.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merritt_Island_Spaceflight_Tracking_and_Data_Network_station
A new communications system (also managed by NASA Goddard) has been installed: 
Kennedy Uplink Station and Ponce De Leon Inlet Tracking Annex (35 miles North of Cape) for Space Launch System (SLS).
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/new-tracking-stations-to-provide-latest-technology-for-sls-orion

SpaceX acquired ($1 above scrap value), moved (FL to TX), then refurbished (internal staff?) two S-band dishes from MILA.
Photo of dishes next to SLC-40 ~2014 (before move & refurbishment)
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35425.0;attach=1356591;image

They are now located in Bock Chica Village, TX (South Texas Launch Site),
with a separate communications building.
One of the Texas universities has access to the dishes for research, 
when not used by SpaceX.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1025149/
SpaceX Comm System became active in 2017 and was used for SpaceX?s Microsat-2a and Microsat-2b experiments
https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=197815&x=.

greg, w9gb

From w9gb at icloud.com  Thu Aug 15 01:06:27 2019
From: w9gb at icloud.com (Gregory Beat)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:06:27 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
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SpaceX removed the hydraulic system and converted to electric motors.

The SpaceX facility is named, STARGATE Tracking Center.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/STARGATE
Building
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2018/03/05/271303/neighbors-concerned-spacex-could-transform-south-texas/attachment/img_8153/

Location Tracking Center at Boca Chica, TX
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41017.0

UT-Rio Grande Valley
https://www.utrgv.edu/cara/programs/stargate/index.htm

w9gb

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From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 01:24:47 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:24:47 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
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Michelle,

So help me understand - what is the problem we are trying to solve?  Let's
play this out, we somehow get our hands on a  surplus dish and we fix it
up.  I will skip over the part of the story that deals with annual
maintenance costs and ongoing operational costs every time we fire it up
and use it.  The question is, use it for what?  A dish for the sake of
saying, "Heh, we own a dish" - who ever "we' is  - just does not make any
sense.

I suppose we could use it as part of a network of stations on 2.4 MHz for
HamTV but that works only if the dish is part of a greater US HamTV network
that does not exist right now.   And it only works if the Az/El system
turning the dish is a fast enough to keep up with a LEO such as the ISS -
that is simple question of fact that we can discover.    Other uses that
would benefit the general amateur radio satellite  community?

While it is a cool idea at least to me it feels a bit like a solution in
search of a problem.  Not saying it is bad idea but I am saying so help us
understand why we need a 20 foot dish owned by the amateur *satellite*
community at large.  The other part of me that does EME sees lots of uses
but that is very different game - see HB9Q.  And before we get too far down
the road, I'd like to see not just acquisition and repair costs but ongoing
maintenance and operations costs.

Respectfully,

John





On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:12 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a dish
> installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever been
> to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling) then
> this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending Symposium
> last year should recognize it!
>
> Here's a set of photos:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1
>
> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out for,
> prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all the
> ID plates and see what's under there.
>
> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators to
> access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to control it
> from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.
>
> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working on
> with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space Center
> curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>
> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things even
> more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know this
> may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do in
> any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value, and
> that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much of
> anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
> radio, is well worth the effort.
>
> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation for 20
> years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can achieve.
> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>
> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>
> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
> then please pass this along!
>
> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Thu Aug 15 01:45:51 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:45:51 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
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EME seems most practical...

>From the shadows, it looks like it is on the north side of the building
and has SERIOUS blockage to the east and west through south maybe as high
as 40 degrees or more.  Then trees block the North and NE.  About the only
sky it can see is NW?

Since LEO's spend 70% of their time in view below about 22 degrees, My
guess is that this dish could only see about 10% of all possible pass
times?

But EME is high most of the time.  And easy to schedule around times of
high passes for a club station at a museum.  Also would be a high interest
item and things MOVE SLOWLY!

If it is rusted frozen, then the EASY way out is to point it roughly south
some how.  And then wait for the moon to pass through its field of view.
Hummh, lets say using the 2m feed the beamwidth is 5 degrees and the moon
goes 180 degrees in 12 hours.  Then its in view  (3dB) maybe 20 minutes at
a time?

Then to improve the number of days, one could add another dipole above and
below the existing one and then pick up additional passes without having
to move the dish.  Or easier, just nutate the feed up and down.  Then you
could get a moon pass every day.

You could predict and post a schedule of when people could make contacts.?

Just playing with ideas...

Zooming in with google earth in 3d you can stand ANYWHERE and almost see
the same views as the excellent ones alrady posted.  But walk around and
fine tune them.  Amazing...

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of John Kludt via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:25 PM
To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
Outreach #1

Michelle,

So help me understand - what is the problem we are trying to solve?  Let's
play this out, we somehow get our hands on a  surplus dish and we fix it
up.  I will skip over the part of the story that deals with annual
maintenance costs and ongoing operational costs every time we fire it up
and use it.  The question is, use it for what?  A dish for the sake of
saying, "Heh, we own a dish" - who ever "we' is  - just does not make any
sense.

I suppose we could use it as part of a network of stations on 2.4 MHz for
HamTV but that works only if the dish is part of a greater US HamTV
network
that does not exist right now.   And it only works if the Az/El system
turning the dish is a fast enough to keep up with a LEO such as the ISS -
that is simple question of fact that we can discover.    Other uses that
would benefit the general amateur radio satellite  community?

While it is a cool idea at least to me it feels a bit like a solution in
search of a problem.  Not saying it is bad idea but I am saying so help us
understand why we need a 20 foot dish owned by the amateur *satellite*
community at large.  The other part of me that does EME sees lots of uses
but that is very different game - see HB9Q.  And before we get too far
down the road, I'd like to see not just acquisition and repair costs but
ongoing maintenance and operations costs.

Respectfully,

John





On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:12 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a
> dish installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've
> ever been to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from
> the ceiling) then this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone
> attending Symposium last year should recognize it!
>
> Here's a set of photos:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXO
> s7vSz1
>
> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out
> for, prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint
> off all the ID plates and see what's under there.
>
> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators
> to access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to
> control it from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur
satellite.
>
> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working
> on with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space
> Center curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>
> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things
> even more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We
> know this may turn out to be something that requires way more work
> than we can do in any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is
> still of great value, and that is why we are asking for your help.
> Right now, no one knows much of anything about it. This sort of
> installation, if available for amateur radio, is well worth the effort.
>
> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation
> for 20 years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can
achieve.
> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>
> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>
> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will
> help, then please pass this along!
>
> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From w3ab at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 15 03:45:50 2019
From: w3ab at yahoo.com (W3AB/GEO)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:45:50 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation
	-	Outreach #1
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Everyone, please chill.

As I asked before, has it been "surplused"? Everything stripped from it. No one even knows what "model" it is and who made it. Plus what is on board. Speculation is really worthless compared to facts.

Just like the rocket on display; anyone think it'll ever fly again?

And, here is an example of another "opportunity" that fell apart. I shared this as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On Aug 14, 2019, 18:49, at 18:49, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>EME seems most practical...
>
>From the shadows, it looks like it is on the north side of the building
>and has SERIOUS blockage to the east and west through south maybe as
>high
>as 40 degrees or more.  Then trees block the North and NE.  About the
>only
>sky it can see is NW?
>
>Since LEO's spend 70% of their time in view below about 22 degrees, My
>guess is that this dish could only see about 10% of all possible pass
>times?
>
>But EME is high most of the time.  And easy to schedule around times of
>high passes for a club station at a museum.  Also would be a high
>interest
>item and things MOVE SLOWLY!
>
>If it is rusted frozen, then the EASY way out is to point it roughly
>south
>some how.  And then wait for the moon to pass through its field of
>view.
>Hummh, lets say using the 2m feed the beamwidth is 5 degrees and the
>moon
>goes 180 degrees in 12 hours.  Then its in view  (3dB) maybe 20 minutes
>at
>a time?
>
>Then to improve the number of days, one could add another dipole above
>and
>below the existing one and then pick up additional passes without
>having
>to move the dish.  Or easier, just nutate the feed up and down.  Then
>you
>could get a moon pass every day.
>
>You could predict and post a schedule of when people could make
>contacts.?
>
>Just playing with ideas...
>
>Zooming in with google earth in 3d you can stand ANYWHERE and almost
>see
>the same views as the excellent ones alrady posted.  But walk around
>and
>fine tune them.  Amazing...
>
>Bob, WB4APR
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of John Kludt via
>AMSAT-BB
>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:25 PM
>To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
>Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
>Outreach #1
>
>Michelle,
>
>So help me understand - what is the problem we are trying to solve? 
>Let's
>play this out, we somehow get our hands on a  surplus dish and we fix
>it
>up.  I will skip over the part of the story that deals with annual
>maintenance costs and ongoing operational costs every time we fire it
>up
>and use it.  The question is, use it for what?  A dish for the sake of
>saying, "Heh, we own a dish" - who ever "we' is  - just does not make
>any
>sense.
>
>I suppose we could use it as part of a network of stations on 2.4 MHz
>for
>HamTV but that works only if the dish is part of a greater US HamTV
>network
>that does not exist right now.   And it only works if the Az/El system
>turning the dish is a fast enough to keep up with a LEO such as the ISS
>-
>that is simple question of fact that we can discover.    Other uses
>that
>would benefit the general amateur radio satellite  community?
>
>While it is a cool idea at least to me it feels a bit like a solution
>in
>search of a problem.  Not saying it is bad idea but I am saying so help
>us
>understand why we need a 20 foot dish owned by the amateur *satellite*
>community at large.  The other part of me that does EME sees lots of
>uses
>but that is very different game - see HB9Q.  And before we get too far
>down the road, I'd like to see not just acquisition and repair costs
>but
>ongoing maintenance and operations costs.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:12 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
>amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a
>> dish installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've
>> ever been to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from
>> the ceiling) then this dish is right outside the main entrance.
>Anyone
>> attending Symposium last year should recognize it!
>>
>> Here's a set of photos:
>>
>>
>>
>https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXO
>> s7vSz1
>>
>> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
>> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch
>out
>> for, prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint
>> off all the ID plates and see what's under there.
>>
>> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio
>operators
>> to access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to
>> control it from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur
>satellite.
>>
>> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working
>> on with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the
>Space
>> Center curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>>
>> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and
>then
>> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things
>> even more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We
>> know this may turn out to be something that requires way more work
>> than we can do in any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is
>> still of great value, and that is why we are asking for your help.
>> Right now, no one knows much of anything about it. This sort of
>> installation, if available for amateur radio, is well worth the
>effort.
>>
>> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation
>> for 20 years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we
>can
>achieve.
>> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
>> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in
>person,
>> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>>
>> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
>> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>>
>> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will
>> help, then please pass this along!
>>
>> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
>> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
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From zleffke at vt.edu  Thu Aug 15 04:49:05 2019
From: zleffke at vt.edu (Zach Leffke)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:49:05 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
 Outreach #1
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I don't mind throwing out a few ideas, even if its beyond 
salvaging...its fun to think of ideas and potential use cases for these 
kinds of things.......(hobbies are for fun right?)......

For those interested, looks like this is the one:? 34.711786, -86.653985 
(copy/paste into google maps).? Not this one: 34.711070, -86.654875 (had 
me distracted for a bit...that also maybe looks like its no longer in 
use with better southerly views?)

Idea 1: GEO TT&C and/or Gateway?

If we get a GEO bird, ~20ft/6m aperture could be useful as a (maybe 
backup?) command station for the 5/10 GHz strategy.? Or alternatively a 
'gateway' of sorts for user traffic (again maybe backup)?

For this specific antenna, if we can get a view of the GEO belt over the 
buildings to the south, could be feasible.? I agree with Bob that the 
blockage looks pretty significant to the south, but the 3D google street 
view make it look 'not so bad' for GEO maybe (thats a pretty big 
maybe....perspectives could be skewed in that view though, and its hard 
to concentrate when looking at an SR-71 in front of you and the Saturn V 
to the right).

For a GEO use case....would have to consider:

1.? Can we see the GEO belt at all?

2.? at 5 and 10 GHz we're talking sub 1 deg beamwidth.? For a non 
geostationary bird, that means peaking up.? If the motor drives (if they 
exist) can't keep up with a LEO bird, perhaps they could keep up with 
the 'figure-8' of a slightly drifting geosynchronous bird with a bit of 
inclination (few degrees of az/el over a sidereal day.....sort of like 
furlongs per fortnight).? If there are no motors at all, and we have a 
geostationary bird, and we have a view of it, maybe it could be 
're-parked' to point at the bird (even a drifting bird coming in and out 
of the main beam could be useful/fun)....maybe that 'crank wheel' has 
something to do with manual control?

3.? Feed would have to be replaced (obviously).

4.? As it looks like it was originally for VHF or UHF, might want to 
confirm the mesh is usable at microwave freqs (not sure of the mesh size 
from the pictures).

5.? concerns about high power 5 GHz TX RF at a place heavy with general 
public traffic?? Concerns about proximity to Marshall Spaceflight Center 
and potential 5 GHz Radars nearby (limiting our ability to TX, not 
RX......I've heard of similar issues for ionospheric work and 
restrictions in the area...but that was down at HF)?? If so maybe a 
downlink only station?

Idea 2: maybe the more important/valuable one?

Technical matters aside for a second.....having an active (even if 
remotely controlled, and even if with degraded performance, restricted 
field of view, etc.) antenna operated by Hams in the US Space and Rocket 
Center can only be a good thing in terms of public outreach and raising 
awareness for Amateur Radio in general (and maybe AMSAT/GNU Radio more 
specifically), whether its being used for EME, Satellite, maybe balloon 
tracking, or whatever?? Our own 'live' Ham Radio exhibit, at a pretty 
big NASA museum, with a lot of foot traffic......thats gotta be good for 
'business' right?

Imagine you are 10 and are interested in Space.? Your parents are taking 
you to see rockets in Huntsville...you are walking around looking a lot 
of 'not moving, but still really cool' things.......and out of the 
corner of your eye, that 'HUGE' dish starts moving around (way bigger 
than the one on your house that never moves.....super cool).? So you run 
over and start reading the plaque....and realize its being used for 
Space Stuff RIGHT NOW!!!!.......and theres this thing called Amateur 
Radio (plaque says so).........'Mom/Dad...whats Amateur Radio?? can I do 
Amateur Radio.....is this like the Ham thing uncle so and so is always 
talking about........'? BAM, the next Hiram Percy Maxim.........thats a 
win right?? That kid......first boot on Mars.....and it alllll started 
when he took a trip with his parents and saw a dish moving 
around......(OK, maybe a stretch.....but still).

Also..instead of plaque....maybe weather proof spectrum displays?? Maybe 
some kind of audio......Maybe something like the 'pulse of exploration' 
from JPL DSN (more like a technical art exhibit, google it, pretty 
cool)......and if not outside for that stuff.....maybe a small area 
inside with a view out of the front windows of the dish?

So I guess what I'm saying is that getting a 5 or 6m dish and 
refurbishing it in your back yard might not be impossible, and its 
probably easier than dealing with the 'woes' of this particular dish, 
and it would probably perform better for whatever the 
application.......getting a 6m dish active for Hams at a pretty high 
traffic NASA museum......for the community, that might be priceless (and 
worth the 'woes' of this particular dish, something about beggars and 
choosers.......).


-Zach, KJ4QLP

P.S.? the site in NC that was mentioned in a previous post is called the 
Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute, aka PARI.

-- 
Research Associate
Aerospace Systems Lab
Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Work Phone: 540-231-4174
Cell Phone: 540-808-6305

On 8/14/19 11:45 PM, W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Everyone, please chill.
>
> As I asked before, has it been "surplused"? Everything stripped from it. No one even knows what "model" it is and who made it. Plus what is on board. Speculation is really worthless compared to facts.
>
> Just like the rocket on display; anyone think it'll ever fly again?
>
> And, here is an example of another "opportunity" that fell apart. I shared this as well.
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station
>
> ?___
> Sent from my two way wrist watch
> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>
> On Aug 14, 2019, 18:49, at 18:49, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> EME seems most practical...
>>
> >From the shadows, it looks like it is on the north side of the building
>> and has SERIOUS blockage to the east and west through south maybe as
>> high
>> as 40 degrees or more.  Then trees block the North and NE.  About the
>> only
>> sky it can see is NW?
>>
>> Since LEO's spend 70% of their time in view below about 22 degrees, My
>> guess is that this dish could only see about 10% of all possible pass
>> times?
>>
>> But EME is high most of the time.  And easy to schedule around times of
>> high passes for a club station at a museum.  Also would be a high
>> interest
>> item and things MOVE SLOWLY!
>>
>> If it is rusted frozen, then the EASY way out is to point it roughly
>> south
>> some how.  And then wait for the moon to pass through its field of
>> view.
>> Hummh, lets say using the 2m feed the beamwidth is 5 degrees and the
>> moon
>> goes 180 degrees in 12 hours.  Then its in view  (3dB) maybe 20 minutes
>> at
>> a time?
>>
>> Then to improve the number of days, one could add another dipole above
>> and
>> below the existing one and then pick up additional passes without
>> having
>> to move the dish.  Or easier, just nutate the feed up and down.  Then
>> you
>> could get a moon pass every day.
>>
>> You could predict and post a schedule of when people could make
>> contacts.?
>>
>> Just playing with ideas...
>>
>> Zooming in with google earth in 3d you can stand ANYWHERE and almost
>> see
>> the same views as the excellent ones alrady posted.  But walk around
>> and
>> fine tune them.  Amazing...
>>
>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of John Kludt via
>> AMSAT-BB
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:25 PM
>> To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
>> Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
>> Outreach #1
>>
>> Michelle,
>>
>> So help me understand - what is the problem we are trying to solve?
>> Let's
>> play this out, we somehow get our hands on a  surplus dish and we fix
>> it
>> up.  I will skip over the part of the story that deals with annual
>> maintenance costs and ongoing operational costs every time we fire it
>> up
>> and use it.  The question is, use it for what?  A dish for the sake of
>> saying, "Heh, we own a dish" - who ever "we' is  - just does not make
>> any
>> sense.
>>
>> I suppose we could use it as part of a network of stations on 2.4 MHz
>> for
>> HamTV but that works only if the dish is part of a greater US HamTV
>> network
>> that does not exist right now.   And it only works if the Az/El system
>> turning the dish is a fast enough to keep up with a LEO such as the ISS
>> -
>> that is simple question of fact that we can discover.    Other uses
>> that
>> would benefit the general amateur radio satellite  community?
>>
>> While it is a cool idea at least to me it feels a bit like a solution
>> in
>> search of a problem.  Not saying it is bad idea but I am saying so help
>> us
>> understand why we need a 20 foot dish owned by the amateur *satellite*
>> community at large.  The other part of me that does EME sees lots of
>> uses
>> but that is very different game - see HB9Q.  And before we get too far
>> down the road, I'd like to see not just acquisition and repair costs
>> but
>> ongoing maintenance and operations costs.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:12 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>>> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a
>>> dish installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've
>>> ever been to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from
>>> the ceiling) then this dish is right outside the main entrance.
>> Anyone
>>> attending Symposium last year should recognize it!
>>>
>>> Here's a set of photos:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXO
>>> s7vSz1
>>>
>>> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
>>> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch
>> out
>>> for, prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint
>>> off all the ID plates and see what's under there.
>>>
>>> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio
>> operators
>>> to access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to
>>> control it from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur
>> satellite.
>>> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working
>>> on with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the
>> Space
>>> Center curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>>>
>>> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and
>> then
>>> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things
>>> even more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We
>>> know this may turn out to be something that requires way more work
>>> than we can do in any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is
>>> still of great value, and that is why we are asking for your help.
>>> Right now, no one knows much of anything about it. This sort of
>>> installation, if available for amateur radio, is well worth the
>> effort.
>>> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation
>>> for 20 years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we
>> can
>> achieve.
>>> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
>>> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in
>> person,
>>> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>>>
>>> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
>>> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>>>
>>> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will
>>> help, then please pass this along!
>>>
>>> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
>>> _______________________________________________
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From max at boryspil.net.ua  Thu Aug 15 11:48:42 2019
From: max at boryspil.net.ua (Max)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:48:42 +0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] The problem with my IC-7000 (I ask for help)
In-Reply-To: <a1493045-cbe9-716d-e43b-7923268068b4@vt.edu>
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	<7733551d706962bf47780e2a02722f35@mail.gmail.com>
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Good day,

I need help, my PCB boards version "B6250K" has gone bad.

Please tell me where I can buy this board.

Offer any options, but I would like to purchase in Poland or Ukraine.

Thank.

From aj9n at aol.com  Thu Aug 15 15:37:27 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:37:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-15 16:00
	UTC
References: <1716866812.4098423.1565883447410.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1716866812.4098423.1565883447410@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-15 16:00 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via IK1SLD 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact was successful: Thu 2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 deg (***)

Watch for live stream at www.ariotti.com starting about 15 min before AOS. 

?

The Children?s Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda, MD (CASIS#3), telebridge via VK4KHZ 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA 

Contact is go for: Thu 2019-08-22 17:16:22 UTC 38 deg 

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-15 16:00 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-15 16:00 UTC. (***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1327. (***)

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1270. (***)

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 15 17:07:50 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:07:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
 Outreach #1
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtSfH-_dpCjOftpj=_uUHYqf0OfG0i7QBv1iJMN_fKJr-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAF3DnKgOdiCt9hsHiQcwNi=DqzaQgRHHXxnAyJmSb9ns_xvPbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1416242549.5528708.1565821165095@mail.yahoo.com>
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Nice! It even reports the movement on the Az/El for each dish. I love it.
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 3:34:55 PM PDT, John Kludt <johnnykludt at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Robert,
Not that it is something we could fix but really like this site:
https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html?
It lets you real time observe what Canberra, Madrid and Goldstone are doing.? Fascinating to watch.

I don't recall the name of the site in North Carolina that has the rejuvenated dishes.? But a ham friend of mine took a tour and it is pretty cool stuff.? Unfortunately they are not much used because according to them these old dishes are very expensive to operate.? Must be kind of like buying a horse - the real money gets spent not when you buy the horse but over the next twenty years as you pay to maintain the trusty steed!
John
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:22 PM Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

Wow! Fun project. Very exciting.
Any chance there are also antique antennas at the California ground station at Goldstone. Nasa had three primary ground stations for Apollo: Spain, Australia, and California.
https://www.gdscc.nasa.gov/?

73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration



? ? On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 2:54:16 PM PDT, Daniel Cussen via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 

?I would recommend trying to find out if the motors are AC or DC or some
weird voltage or stepper or servo type. If you can get the motors to move,
position feedback could be added with a simple potentiometer from a belt,
or a fancy encoder. It may be possible to use the old position feedback,
but it may be faster and easier to mount something on the outside that
gives the same result.

In terms of frequency ranges,? rate of tracking, dish beam width, these
will determine what it could be used for, and assuming you use the old
motors and the reflector on the dish is designed for vhf?, then this would
limit top frequency and maximum tracking ability aligned with beam width.
Say vhf, UHF lower microwave, and presumably the dish could track low earth
orbit or moon bounce.

Looking at the photos it looks like the right middle connector is an n type
coax connector for the feed. I assume the military type connectors are for
position feedback from some sort of rotary or absolute encoder. Often there
is an encoder mounted near or on the motor, which is AC or DC simple motor.

If the manual movement cranks work you could run belts to them and mount
new motors on the outside. Speed might be limited, but acceptable.

I would recommend adding hardware limit switches no matter what you do to
ensure the dish can never rotate too far and damage itself. It may have
limit switches inside, but they may need replacing and external switches
would be easier to service.

It would be great if this could track low earth orbit and receive school
contacts from the iss and cubesats on vhf and UHF.

I would like to see it receive 2395MHz Hamtv from the ISS, which is
relatively strong and easy to receive.


On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:11 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org
wrote:

> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a dish
> installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've ever been
> to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from the ceiling) then
> this dish is right outside the main entrance. Anyone attending Symposium
> last year should recognize it!
>
> Here's a set of photos:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXOs7vSz1
>
> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch out for,
> prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint off all the
> ID plates and see what's under there.
>
> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio operators to
> access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to control it
> from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur satellite.
>
> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working on
> with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the Space Center
> curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>
> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and then
> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things even
> more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We know this
> may turn out to be something that requires way more work than we can do in
> any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is still of great value, and
> that is why we are asking for your help. Right now, no one knows much of
> anything about it. This sort of installation, if available for amateur
> radio, is well worth the effort.
>
> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation for 20
> years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we can achieve.
> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in person,
> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>
> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>
> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will help,
> then please pass this along!
>
> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 18:38:03 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:38:03 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
	Outreach #1
In-Reply-To: <a1493045-cbe9-716d-e43b-7923268068b4@vt.edu>
References: <CACvjz2VkkRLhuLpDzkEkMZV6gAoU=yLdbd6T+NNN-UdDbzJC_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABsMmtS66hdf6pUaCfC632pU=Fz4tyhN=S6-Cv+grtnLJPn0Mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7733551d706962bf47780e2a02722f35@mail.gmail.com>
	<ac0479f6-827c-4c57-b68c-18021ad8a8c3@yahoo.com>
	<a1493045-cbe9-716d-e43b-7923268068b4@vt.edu>
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Like Zach's Idea 2.
This promotional stuff is important.
The aviation industry does this to ensure future employee availability.
Invite kids into the cockpit on the ground, where parents can take a picture with kid sitting on a pilot seat while being wowed by the switches and screens.
The kid gets handed a set of plastic wings....
Future pilot.

Bernard,
KC9SGV


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 9:49 PM, Zach Leffke via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't mind throwing out a few ideas, even if its beyond salvaging...its fun to think of ideas and potential use cases for these kinds of things.......(hobbies are for fun right?)......
> 
> For those interested, looks like this is the one:  34.711786, -86.653985 (copy/paste into google maps).  Not this one: 34.711070, -86.654875 (had me distracted for a bit...that also maybe looks like its no longer in use with better southerly views?)
> 
> Idea 1: GEO TT&C and/or Gateway?
> 
> If we get a GEO bird, ~20ft/6m aperture could be useful as a (maybe backup?) command station for the 5/10 GHz strategy.  Or alternatively a 'gateway' of sorts for user traffic (again maybe backup)?
> 
> For this specific antenna, if we can get a view of the GEO belt over the buildings to the south, could be feasible.  I agree with Bob that the blockage looks pretty significant to the south, but the 3D google street view make it look 'not so bad' for GEO maybe (thats a pretty big maybe....perspectives could be skewed in that view though, and its hard to concentrate when looking at an SR-71 in front of you and the Saturn V to the right).
> 
> For a GEO use case....would have to consider:
> 
> 1.  Can we see the GEO belt at all?
> 
> 2.  at 5 and 10 GHz we're talking sub 1 deg beamwidth.  For a non geostationary bird, that means peaking up.  If the motor drives (if they exist) can't keep up with a LEO bird, perhaps they could keep up with the 'figure-8' of a slightly drifting geosynchronous bird with a bit of inclination (few degrees of az/el over a sidereal day.....sort of like furlongs per fortnight).  If there are no motors at all, and we have a geostationary bird, and we have a view of it, maybe it could be 're-parked' to point at the bird (even a drifting bird coming in and out of the main beam could be useful/fun)....maybe that 'crank wheel' has something to do with manual control?
> 
> 3.  Feed would have to be replaced (obviously).
> 
> 4.  As it looks like it was originally for VHF or UHF, might want to confirm the mesh is usable at microwave freqs (not sure of the mesh size from the pictures).
> 
> 5.  concerns about high power 5 GHz TX RF at a place heavy with general public traffic?  Concerns about proximity to Marshall Spaceflight Center and potential 5 GHz Radars nearby (limiting our ability to TX, not RX......I've heard of similar issues for ionospheric work and restrictions in the area...but that was down at HF)?  If so maybe a downlink only station?
> 
> Idea 2: maybe the more important/valuable one?
> 
> Technical matters aside for a second.....having an active (even if remotely controlled, and even if with degraded performance, restricted field of view, etc.) antenna operated by Hams in the US Space and Rocket Center can only be a good thing in terms of public outreach and raising awareness for Amateur Radio in general (and maybe AMSAT/GNU Radio more specifically), whether its being used for EME, Satellite, maybe balloon tracking, or whatever?  Our own 'live' Ham Radio exhibit, at a pretty big NASA museum, with a lot of foot traffic......thats gotta be good for 'business' right?
> 
> Imagine you are 10 and are interested in Space.  Your parents are taking you to see rockets in Huntsville...you are walking around looking a lot of 'not moving, but still really cool' things.......and out of the corner of your eye, that 'HUGE' dish starts moving around (way bigger than the one on your house that never moves.....super cool).  So you run over and start reading the plaque....and realize its being used for Space Stuff RIGHT NOW!!!!.......and theres this thing called Amateur Radio (plaque says so).........'Mom/Dad...whats Amateur Radio?  can I do Amateur Radio.....is this like the Ham thing uncle so and so is always talking about........'  BAM, the next Hiram Percy Maxim.........thats a win right?  That kid......first boot on Mars.....and it alllll started when he took a trip with his parents and saw a dish moving around......(OK, maybe a stretch.....but still).
> 
> Also..instead of plaque....maybe weather proof spectrum displays?  Maybe some kind of audio......Maybe something like the 'pulse of exploration' from JPL DSN (more like a technical art exhibit, google it, pretty cool)......and if not outside for that stuff.....maybe a small area inside with a view out of the front windows of the dish?
> 
> So I guess what I'm saying is that getting a 5 or 6m dish and refurbishing it in your back yard might not be impossible, and its probably easier than dealing with the 'woes' of this particular dish, and it would probably perform better for whatever the application.......getting a 6m dish active for Hams at a pretty high traffic NASA museum......for the community, that might be priceless (and worth the 'woes' of this particular dish, something about beggars and choosers.......).
> 
> 
> -Zach, KJ4QLP
> 
> P.S.  the site in NC that was mentioned in a previous post is called the Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute, aka PARI.
> 
> -- 
> Research Associate
> Aerospace Systems Lab
> Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology
> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
> Work Phone: 540-231-4174
> Cell Phone: 540-808-6305
> 
>> On 8/14/19 11:45 PM, W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Everyone, please chill.
>> 
>> As I asked before, has it been "surplused"? Everything stripped from it. No one even knows what "model" it is and who made it. Plus what is on board. Speculation is really worthless compared to facts.
>> 
>> Just like the rocket on display; anyone think it'll ever fly again?
>> 
>> And, here is an example of another "opportunity" that fell apart. I shared this as well.
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station
>> 
>> ?___
>> Sent from my two way wrist watch
>> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2019, 18:49, at 18:49, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> EME seems most practical...
>> >From the shadows, it looks like it is on the north side of the building
>>> and has SERIOUS blockage to the east and west through south maybe as
>>> high
>>> as 40 degrees or more.  Then trees block the North and NE.  About the
>>> only
>>> sky it can see is NW?
>>> 
>>> Since LEO's spend 70% of their time in view below about 22 degrees, My
>>> guess is that this dish could only see about 10% of all possible pass
>>> times?
>>> 
>>> But EME is high most of the time.  And easy to schedule around times of
>>> high passes for a club station at a museum.  Also would be a high
>>> interest
>>> item and things MOVE SLOWLY!
>>> 
>>> If it is rusted frozen, then the EASY way out is to point it roughly
>>> south
>>> some how.  And then wait for the moon to pass through its field of
>>> view.
>>> Hummh, lets say using the 2m feed the beamwidth is 5 degrees and the
>>> moon
>>> goes 180 degrees in 12 hours.  Then its in view  (3dB) maybe 20 minutes
>>> at
>>> a time?
>>> 
>>> Then to improve the number of days, one could add another dipole above
>>> and
>>> below the existing one and then pick up additional passes without
>>> having
>>> to move the dish.  Or easier, just nutate the feed up and down.  Then
>>> you
>>> could get a moon pass every day.
>>> 
>>> You could predict and post a schedule of when people could make
>>> contacts.?
>>> 
>>> Just playing with ideas...
>>> 
>>> Zooming in with google earth in 3d you can stand ANYWHERE and almost
>>> see
>>> the same views as the excellent ones alrady posted.  But walk around
>>> and
>>> fine tune them.  Amazing...
>>> 
>>> Bob, WB4APR
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of John Kludt via
>>> AMSAT-BB
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:25 PM
>>> To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
>>> Outreach #1
>>> 
>>> Michelle,
>>> 
>>> So help me understand - what is the problem we are trying to solve?
>>> Let's
>>> play this out, we somehow get our hands on a  surplus dish and we fix
>>> it
>>> up.  I will skip over the part of the story that deals with annual
>>> maintenance costs and ongoing operational costs every time we fire it
>>> up
>>> and use it.  The question is, use it for what?  A dish for the sake of
>>> saying, "Heh, we own a dish" - who ever "we' is  - just does not make
>>> any
>>> sense.
>>> 
>>> I suppose we could use it as part of a network of stations on 2.4 MHz
>>> for
>>> HamTV but that works only if the dish is part of a greater US HamTV
>>> network
>>> that does not exist right now.   And it only works if the Az/El system
>>> turning the dish is a fast enough to keep up with a LEO such as the ISS
>>> -
>>> that is simple question of fact that we can discover.    Other uses
>>> that
>>> would benefit the general amateur radio satellite  community?
>>> 
>>> While it is a cool idea at least to me it feels a bit like a solution
>>> in
>>> search of a problem.  Not saying it is bad idea but I am saying so help
>>> us
>>> understand why we need a 20 foot dish owned by the amateur *satellite*
>>> community at large.  The other part of me that does EME sees lots of
>>> uses
>>> but that is very different game - see HB9Q.  And before we get too far
>>> down the road, I'd like to see not just acquisition and repair costs
>>> but
>>> ongoing maintenance and operations costs.
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:12 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a
>>>> dish installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've
>>>> ever been to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from
>>>> the ceiling) then this dish is right outside the main entrance.
>>> Anyone
>>>> attending Symposium last year should recognize it!
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a set of photos:
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXO
>>>> s7vSz1
>>>> 
>>>> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
>>>> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch
>>> out
>>>> for, prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint
>>>> off all the ID plates and see what's under there.
>>>> 
>>>> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio
>>> operators
>>>> to access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to
>>>> control it from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur
>>> satellite.
>>>> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working
>>>> on with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the
>>> Space
>>>> Center curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>>>> 
>>>> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and
>>> then
>>>> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things
>>>> even more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We
>>>> know this may turn out to be something that requires way more work
>>>> than we can do in any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is
>>>> still of great value, and that is why we are asking for your help.
>>>> Right now, no one knows much of anything about it. This sort of
>>>> installation, if available for amateur radio, is well worth the
>>> effort.
>>>> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation
>>>> for 20 years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we
>>> can
>>> achieve.
>>>> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
>>>> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in
>>> person,
>>>> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>>>> 
>>>> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
>>>> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>>>> 
>>>> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will
>>>> help, then please pass this along!
>>>> 
>>>> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 19:34:21 2019
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:34:21 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
 Outreach #1
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I was kind of thinking along the same lines...  Some sort of
AMSAT-promoting exhibit.  Acknowledging the potential issue with
transmitting in the area, and needing something pretty fixed to aim at,
a simple "Receiving Stuff from Space!" exhibit could be still be pretty
awesome, without needing a fully capable satellite link.  Lacking a GEO
ham target, perhaps simply aiming at one of the NOAA GEO weather sats
would be sufficient.  It's still radio, and seeing yourself from space,
I think, would be a great crowd pleaser.  Most of the benefit would come
from exhibit signage and such, talking about Amateur Radio, AMSAT, the
history of satellites (and AMSAT's contributions), static displays of
stuff, etc.

The dish is just eye candy to get folks over to see the rest of the
display.  It doesn't even have to move.  Just pipe in some audio of
motors whirring from time to time, to get people's attention. 

Greg  KO6TH


KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Like Zach's Idea 2.
> This promotional stuff is important.
> The aviation industry does this to ensure future employee availability.
> Invite kids into the cockpit on the ground, where parents can take a picture with kid sitting on a pilot seat while being wowed by the switches and screens.
> The kid gets handed a set of plastic wings....
> Future pilot.
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 14, 2019, at 9:49 PM, Zach Leffke via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>> I don't mind throwing out a few ideas, even if its beyond salvaging...its fun to think of ideas and potential use cases for these kinds of things.......(hobbies are for fun right?)......
>>
>> For those interested, looks like this is the one:  34.711786, -86.653985 (copy/paste into google maps).  Not this one: 34.711070, -86.654875 (had me distracted for a bit...that also maybe looks like its no longer in use with better southerly views?)
>>
>> Idea 1: GEO TT&C and/or Gateway?
>>
>> If we get a GEO bird, ~20ft/6m aperture could be useful as a (maybe backup?) command station for the 5/10 GHz strategy.  Or alternatively a 'gateway' of sorts for user traffic (again maybe backup)?
>>
>> For this specific antenna, if we can get a view of the GEO belt over the buildings to the south, could be feasible.  I agree with Bob that the blockage looks pretty significant to the south, but the 3D google street view make it look 'not so bad' for GEO maybe (thats a pretty big maybe....perspectives could be skewed in that view though, and its hard to concentrate when looking at an SR-71 in front of you and the Saturn V to the right).
>>
>> For a GEO use case....would have to consider:
>>
>> 1.  Can we see the GEO belt at all?
>>
>> 2.  at 5 and 10 GHz we're talking sub 1 deg beamwidth.  For a non geostationary bird, that means peaking up.  If the motor drives (if they exist) can't keep up with a LEO bird, perhaps they could keep up with the 'figure-8' of a slightly drifting geosynchronous bird with a bit of inclination (few degrees of az/el over a sidereal day.....sort of like furlongs per fortnight).  If there are no motors at all, and we have a geostationary bird, and we have a view of it, maybe it could be 're-parked' to point at the bird (even a drifting bird coming in and out of the main beam could be useful/fun)....maybe that 'crank wheel' has something to do with manual control?
>>
>> 3.  Feed would have to be replaced (obviously).
>>
>> 4.  As it looks like it was originally for VHF or UHF, might want to confirm the mesh is usable at microwave freqs (not sure of the mesh size from the pictures).
>>
>> 5.  concerns about high power 5 GHz TX RF at a place heavy with general public traffic?  Concerns about proximity to Marshall Spaceflight Center and potential 5 GHz Radars nearby (limiting our ability to TX, not RX......I've heard of similar issues for ionospheric work and restrictions in the area...but that was down at HF)?  If so maybe a downlink only station?
>>
>> Idea 2: maybe the more important/valuable one?
>>
>> Technical matters aside for a second.....having an active (even if remotely controlled, and even if with degraded performance, restricted field of view, etc.) antenna operated by Hams in the US Space and Rocket Center can only be a good thing in terms of public outreach and raising awareness for Amateur Radio in general (and maybe AMSAT/GNU Radio more specifically), whether its being used for EME, Satellite, maybe balloon tracking, or whatever?  Our own 'live' Ham Radio exhibit, at a pretty big NASA museum, with a lot of foot traffic......thats gotta be good for 'business' right?
>>
>> Imagine you are 10 and are interested in Space.  Your parents are taking you to see rockets in Huntsville...you are walking around looking a lot of 'not moving, but still really cool' things.......and out of the corner of your eye, that 'HUGE' dish starts moving around (way bigger than the one on your house that never moves.....super cool).  So you run over and start reading the plaque....and realize its being used for Space Stuff RIGHT NOW!!!!.......and theres this thing called Amateur Radio (plaque says so).........'Mom/Dad...whats Amateur Radio?  can I do Amateur Radio.....is this like the Ham thing uncle so and so is always talking about........'  BAM, the next Hiram Percy Maxim.........thats a win right?  That kid......first boot on Mars.....and it alllll started when he took a trip with his parents and saw a dish moving around......(OK, maybe a stretch.....but still).
>>
>> Also..instead of plaque....maybe weather proof spectrum displays?  Maybe some kind of audio......Maybe something like the 'pulse of exploration' from JPL DSN (more like a technical art exhibit, google it, pretty cool)......and if not outside for that stuff.....maybe a small area inside with a view out of the front windows of the dish?
>>
>> So I guess what I'm saying is that getting a 5 or 6m dish and refurbishing it in your back yard might not be impossible, and its probably easier than dealing with the 'woes' of this particular dish, and it would probably perform better for whatever the application.......getting a 6m dish active for Hams at a pretty high traffic NASA museum......for the community, that might be priceless (and worth the 'woes' of this particular dish, something about beggars and choosers.......).
>>
>>
>> -Zach, KJ4QLP
>>
>> P.S.  the site in NC that was mentioned in a previous post is called the Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute, aka PARI.
>>
>> -- 
>> Research Associate
>> Aerospace Systems Lab
>> Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology
>> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
>> Work Phone: 540-231-4174
>> Cell Phone: 540-808-6305
>>
>>> On 8/14/19 11:45 PM, W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Everyone, please chill.
>>>
>>> As I asked before, has it been "surplused"? Everything stripped from it. No one even knows what "model" it is and who made it. Plus what is on board. Speculation is really worthless compared to facts.
>>>
>>> Just like the rocket on display; anyone think it'll ever fly again?
>>>
>>> And, here is an example of another "opportunity" that fell apart. I shared this as well.
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station
>>>
>>> ?___
>>> Sent from my two way wrist watch
>>> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>>>
>>>> On Aug 14, 2019, 18:49, at 18:49, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>> EME seems most practical...
>>> >From the shadows, it looks like it is on the north side of the building
>>>> and has SERIOUS blockage to the east and west through south maybe as
>>>> high
>>>> as 40 degrees or more.  Then trees block the North and NE.  About the
>>>> only
>>>> sky it can see is NW?
>>>>
>>>> Since LEO's spend 70% of their time in view below about 22 degrees, My
>>>> guess is that this dish could only see about 10% of all possible pass
>>>> times?
>>>>
>>>> But EME is high most of the time.  And easy to schedule around times of
>>>> high passes for a club station at a museum.  Also would be a high
>>>> interest
>>>> item and things MOVE SLOWLY!
>>>>
>>>> If it is rusted frozen, then the EASY way out is to point it roughly
>>>> south
>>>> some how.  And then wait for the moon to pass through its field of
>>>> view.
>>>> Hummh, lets say using the 2m feed the beamwidth is 5 degrees and the
>>>> moon
>>>> goes 180 degrees in 12 hours.  Then its in view  (3dB) maybe 20 minutes
>>>> at
>>>> a time?
>>>>
>>>> Then to improve the number of days, one could add another dipole above
>>>> and
>>>> below the existing one and then pick up additional passes without
>>>> having
>>>> to move the dish.  Or easier, just nutate the feed up and down.  Then
>>>> you
>>>> could get a moon pass every day.
>>>>
>>>> You could predict and post a schedule of when people could make
>>>> contacts.?
>>>>
>>>> Just playing with ideas...
>>>>
>>>> Zooming in with google earth in 3d you can stand ANYWHERE and almost
>>>> see
>>>> the same views as the excellent ones alrady posted.  But walk around
>>>> and
>>>> fine tune them.  Amazing...
>>>>
>>>> Bob, WB4APR
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of John Kludt via
>>>> AMSAT-BB
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:25 PM
>>>> To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
>>>> Outreach #1
>>>>
>>>> Michelle,
>>>>
>>>> So help me understand - what is the problem we are trying to solve?
>>>> Let's
>>>> play this out, we somehow get our hands on a  surplus dish and we fix
>>>> it
>>>> up.  I will skip over the part of the story that deals with annual
>>>> maintenance costs and ongoing operational costs every time we fire it
>>>> up
>>>> and use it.  The question is, use it for what?  A dish for the sake of
>>>> saying, "Heh, we own a dish" - who ever "we' is  - just does not make
>>>> any
>>>> sense.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose we could use it as part of a network of stations on 2.4 MHz
>>>> for
>>>> HamTV but that works only if the dish is part of a greater US HamTV
>>>> network
>>>> that does not exist right now.   And it only works if the Az/El system
>>>> turning the dish is a fast enough to keep up with a LEO such as the ISS
>>>> -
>>>> that is simple question of fact that we can discover.    Other uses
>>>> that
>>>> would benefit the general amateur radio satellite  community?
>>>>
>>>> While it is a cool idea at least to me it feels a bit like a solution
>>>> in
>>>> search of a problem.  Not saying it is bad idea but I am saying so help
>>>> us
>>>> understand why we need a 20 foot dish owned by the amateur *satellite*
>>>> community at large.  The other part of me that does EME sees lots of
>>>> uses
>>>> but that is very different game - see HB9Q.  And before we get too far
>>>> down the road, I'd like to see not just acquisition and repair costs
>>>> but
>>>> ongoing maintenance and operations costs.
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:12 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A group of GNU Radio community members has permission to evaluate a
>>>>> dish installation in Huntsville, AL near the Space Center. If you've
>>>>> ever been to the Space Center (where the Saturn V is suspended from
>>>>> the ceiling) then this dish is right outside the main entrance.
>>>> Anyone
>>>>> attending Symposium last year should recognize it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a set of photos:
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1d_Oi3hrIi49JxmaoNuUA-pvUXO
>>>>> s7vSz1
>>>>>
>>>>> We're looking for technical information, identification of what you
>>>>> recognize in the photos, recommended next steps, and what to watch
>>>> out
>>>>> for, prioritize, or avoid. We already know we want to take the paint
>>>>> off all the ID plates and see what's under there.
>>>>>
>>>>> We want to see if we can get this working for *amateur radio
>>>> operators
>>>>> to access over the internet*, ideally with a GNU Radio flowgraph to
>>>>> control it from an SDR. Our priority is to make this work for amateur
>>>> satellite.
>>>>> This type of setup is similar to what GNU Radio Foundation is working
>>>>> on with the Allen Telescope Array. We have the go-ahead from the
>>>> Space
>>>>> Center curator to do this study and make recommendations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have fully restored several basket-case British sports cars and
>>>> then
>>>>> successfully raced them. My other team members have restored things
>>>>> even more challenging. We are not dumb, naive, or easily deterred. We
>>>>> know this may turn out to be something that requires way more work
>>>>> than we can do in any time frame we can manage. Documenting that is
>>>>> still of great value, and that is why we are asking for your help.
>>>>> Right now, no one knows much of anything about it. This sort of
>>>>> installation, if available for amateur radio, is well worth the
>>>> effort.
>>>>> Some of the people involved have been driving past this installation
>>>>> for 20 years and want to see it back in service at whatever level we
>>>> can
>>>> achieve.
>>>>> It will be discussed at GNU Radio Conference, and everyone at the
>>>>> conference will have the opportunity to see it up close and in
>>>> person,
>>>>> since it's literally across the parking lot from the venue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Want to attend or find out more about GRCon?
>>>>> https://www.gnuradio.org/grcon/grcon19/
>>>>>
>>>>> If you know of someone off-list that might know details that will
>>>>> help, then please pass this along!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michelle W5NYV + Corps of Operation Flashlight
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>>>>> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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>> Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
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From diehl.mike.a at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 20:04:52 2019
From: diehl.mike.a at gmail.com (Mike Diehl)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:04:52 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
Message-ID: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>

Does anyone know of or have a copy of the schematic for OSCAR-1? Google hasn?t turned up anything useful. 

73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID 

From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Aug 15 20:10:14 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:10:14 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
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The transmitter schematic is available in the February 1962 issue of
QST (direct link for ARRL members at
http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/46290). Unfortunately, the digital
keying circuit is omitted from the schematic as "the transmitter keyer
makes use of digital circuits which may not be familiar to many
amateurs." (at least in 1962...)

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:05 PM Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of or have a copy of the schematic for OSCAR-1? Google hasn?t turned up anything useful.
>
> 73,
> Mike Diehl
> W8LID/VE6LID
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From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 20:16:07 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:16:07 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2-1 DTMF CQ#68
Message-ID: <CABaTVVaJG+pjkBQcTxmB09TJkFi3CO59D9kB=Jg-5_amUXq0Wg@mail.gmail.com>

The PSAT2-1 pass last night came up to 50 degrees here in Southern
California; this is my first successful DTMF contact with both the voice
response TTS on 148.980 MHz and APRS packet on 145.825 MHz using the Yeasu
FT2DR.

I am not running doppler offsets nor Az/El motor; so this was a single shot
at the top of the pass.

Here is a picture of the packet on my radio since the SatGates did not
share this with APRS-IS:
https://twitter.com/MachaleRobert/status/1162091769263038464?s=20

My callsign is listed on the summary beacon page which renders the last 9
callsigns heard by PSAT-1 DTMF:

http://www.spacecommunicator.club/dtmf/

I wish it had also made it to the individual packet page:

http://www.aprsat.com/dtmf

But, there appears to be an issue with the SatGates in my area not iGating
these new DTMF packets.

73
RM

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 15 20:53:01 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:53:01 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bba77e84-6853-d25b-2414-d52b414a76d8@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-15 15:10, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> The transmitter schematic is available in the February 1962 issue of
> QST (direct link for ARRL members at
> http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/46290). 

BTW, does anyone else despise the new "electronic edition" that ARRL has 
gone to for 2012 and forward?

I can't download an article into a nice neat PDF and keep it on my local 
machine. The mobile app is terrible, not even allowing me to print an 
old article properly.

--- Zach
N0ZGO


From devin at thecabal.org  Thu Aug 15 20:59:55 2019
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:59:55 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
In-Reply-To: <bba77e84-6853-d25b-2414-d52b414a76d8@pobox.com>
References: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<bba77e84-6853-d25b-2414-d52b414a76d8@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR01MB3263F67279E09CA3C156CC81CAAC0@MWHPR01MB3263.prod.exchangelabs.com>

On 2019-08-15 13:53, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> BTW, does anyone else despise the new "electronic edition" that ARRL has
> gone to for 2012 and forward?
> 
> I can't download an article into a nice neat PDF and keep it on my local
> machine. The mobile app is terrible, not even allowing me to print an old
> article properly.

Yes. It was one of the items I specifically mentioned in my feedback to the new ARRL head honcho as an example of how ARRL's current priorities make them far less appealing for the younger generation.

--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin at thecabal.org
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575

From kl0s at cox.net  Thu Aug 15 21:01:39 2019
From: kl0s at cox.net (Dino Papas)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:01:39 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
In-Reply-To: <bba77e84-6853-d25b-2414-d52b414a76d8@pobox.com>
References: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<bba77e84-6853-d25b-2414-d52b414a76d8@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <B9D43CD7-5C1A-4C96-A4E9-E8A8BF717983@cox.net>

Works fine on the Mac OS?hit the electronic version of the QST app?s ?Print" button, select the pages you want and then instead of printing you simply hit the "Save as .pdf" function.  The old contractor?s app was really dodgy but the new app works FB in my experience.

73 - Dino KL0S

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> On 2019-08-15 15:10, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> The transmitter schematic is available in the February 1962 issue of
>> QST (direct link for ARRL members at
>> http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/46290). 
> 
> BTW, does anyone else despise the new "electronic edition" that ARRL has gone to for 2012 and forward?
> 
> I can't download an article into a nice neat PDF and keep it on my local machine. The mobile app is terrible, not even allowing me to print an old article properly.
> 
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO

From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 04:10:10 2019
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 16:10:10 +1200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Next Rocket Lab Launch
Message-ID: <FBCE65015EDD45728AD6136A28CFE1E4@OsbornesPC>

The countdown for the next Rocket Lab launch has started.
Launch no earlier than 13:29 UTC (Friday 16th).
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1162206454910029830

Streaming from here: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/
about 20 minutes before launch.

Night time launch NZ time.

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC

From rs2atmink at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 16 11:26:56 2019
From: rs2atmink at yahoo.com (Robert Switzer)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:26:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
In-Reply-To: <B9D43CD7-5C1A-4C96-A4E9-E8A8BF717983@cox.net>
References: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<bba77e84-6853-d25b-2414-d52b414a76d8@pobox.com>
	<B9D43CD7-5C1A-4C96-A4E9-E8A8BF717983@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1194794736.6199385.1565954816178@mail.yahoo.com>

 I didn't even have to do that. Just clicked on the link in mac-firefox and it saved the PDF to downloads.
Rob KA2CZU

    On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 5:03:33 PM EDT, Dino Papas via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Works fine on the Mac OS?hit the electronic version of the QST app?s ?Print" button, select the pages you want and then instead of printing you simply hit the "Save as .pdf" function.? The old contractor?s app was really dodgy but the new app works FB in my experience.

73 - Dino KL0S

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> On 2019-08-15 15:10, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> The transmitter schematic is available in the February 1962 issue of
>> QST (direct link for ARRL members at
>> http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/46290). 
> 
> BTW, does anyone else despise the new "electronic edition" that ARRL has gone to for 2012 and forward?
> 
> I can't download an article into a nice neat PDF and keep it on my local machine. The mobile app is terrible, not even allowing me to print an old article properly.
> 
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Fri Aug 16 19:05:48 2019
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:05:48 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Space Center Abandoned Dish Rehabilitation -
 Outreach #1
In-Reply-To: <a1493045-cbe9-716d-e43b-7923268068b4@vt.edu>
References: <CACvjz2VkkRLhuLpDzkEkMZV6gAoU=yLdbd6T+NNN-UdDbzJC_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABsMmtS66hdf6pUaCfC632pU=Fz4tyhN=S6-Cv+grtnLJPn0Mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7733551d706962bf47780e2a02722f35@mail.gmail.com>
	<ac0479f6-827c-4c57-b68c-18021ad8a8c3@yahoo.com>
	<a1493045-cbe9-716d-e43b-7923268068b4@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <01995eef-c85a-2d92-0eca-3eac16290037@amsat.org>

On 8/14/2019 23:49, Zach Leffke via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Idea 2: maybe the more important/valuable one?
>
Zach's idea #2 is of value, BUT (here we go) there is an important
consideration in creating such a venue: it all has to be continuously
kept current, kept clean, in good repair, and frequently attended by
volunteers who will engage the public.? Without that face to face piece
the prospective hams who were attracted to it and had questions and
interest come away with nothing to fuel and build their interest.? They
are likely to be disappointed, as well.?

Just think of the huge difference those of you may have experienced, in
just looking at one of the Center's displays compared to that of talking
to one of the docents/volunteers about the display/object/process of
interest.? Amateur radio needs that personal contact.? We were all
likely most persuaded to get involved in amateur radio by contact with
other amateurs, Elmers who answered questions and fueled the desire,
regardless our level of interest in radios and electronics and visits to
the local science museum or Space and Rocket Center.? Displays invoke
interest and curiosity, not a sudden desire to take a Tech test.?
Amateur radio is a vague part of what the display says it's about, the
content of the display may be remembered but the fact that it was/can be
done by hams, probably not.

I think of some impressive club stations over my years of being a ham,
at universities, science museums, and even and older-than-me yearly
high-attendance special events where many ham stations were going strong
for a varying range of years and suddenly became locked up ghost
stations or disappeared because of the lack of new volunteers in the
area to keep that public interface going.? Whether the volunteer's lack
of time or interest, that doesn't matter in the long run.? And at that
point the display becomes a bane to amateur radio as it gathers dust and
is just but a relic of what was going on back whenever, oh look honey,
how quaint!? And the folks who afforded the opportunity for the ham
community to set up a station or special event are jaded and
inconvenienced when that space they donated goes unused after a few
short seasons or years.? They are likely to invite hams to come back,
but only to clean up and get the heck out and thanks for not living up
to your promise you - you amateurs.?

How many times have we unknowingly approached someone about something
that amateur radio might help them with, and they aren't at all
interested, only to find out that the reason for disinterest was that
they don't trust hams because of the conduct or attitude of (one or a
group of) hams who they did agree to work with before?? For better or
worse, much of the time each one of us represents all of amateur radio
and opinions are formed regardless the fact they are built from
encountering such a minuscule sample of the hobby.

What I said may sound negative, but this is not intended to say any of
it is a bad idea or to be negative.? I have worked with Zach, he is
smart and follows through, like I said his idea has value.? I'm just
adding a point to this discussion, about thinking things through to the
end.? A complete project plan beyond Launch, into the longer and often
less exciting pieces of Operation and Sustainment and finally,
Closeout.? Closeout is often forgotten.? When/how is this project
completed, terminated, decommissioned, disposed??
Enthusiasm is what makes things like this happen.? For a successful
project that enthusiasm has to be extended to include the commitment to
keep it going over time, not just to designing it and getting it going
and then - well, somebody else will come along then who can/will be
there each day and know how to keep this idea going, right?? And figure
out what to do when it/they are done, right?

That's all.? Enjoy the thought exercise, you never know what might happen!

73

Jerry Buxton, N?JY



From skristof at etczone.com  Fri Aug 16 19:17:12 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:17:12 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-101?
Message-ID: <e0e13faef111746afe951fe191a83d19@etczone.com>

Did anybody hear from PO-101 on the latest pass over N. America just a
few minutes ago. The schedule on Twitter says it should be open, but I
got nothing. 

Steve AI9IN

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Aug 16 19:19:05 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:19:05 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-101?
In-Reply-To: <e0e13faef111746afe951fe191a83d19@etczone.com>
References: <e0e13faef111746afe951fe191a83d19@etczone.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrNuyJ7ci7AMiJo956meUAHHP6Y8LKNjQ4WNnd40wVtWQ@mail.gmail.com>

They had problems commanding this morning:
https://twitter.com/Diwata2PH/status/1162230744497848323

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:17 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Did anybody hear from PO-101 on the latest pass over N. America just a
> few minutes ago. The schedule on Twitter says it should be open, but I
> got nothing.
>
> Steve AI9IN
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From skristof at etczone.com  Fri Aug 16 19:24:07 2019
From: skristof at etczone.com (skristof at etczone.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:24:07 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-101?
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOrNuyJ7ci7AMiJo956meUAHHP6Y8LKNjQ4WNnd40wVtWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e0e13faef111746afe951fe191a83d19@etczone.com>
	<CABzOSOrNuyJ7ci7AMiJo956meUAHHP6Y8LKNjQ4WNnd40wVtWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b06d1cb89a9e4f88aec0e318aaaad196@etczone.com>

Thank you. I do not always see the most up-to-date tweet. 

Hope they get it working again. 

Steve AI9IN

On 2019-08-16 3:19 pm, Paul Stoetzer wrote:

> They had problems commanding this morning:
> https://twitter.com/Diwata2PH/status/1162230744497848323
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:17 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote: 
> 
>> Did anybody hear from PO-101 on the latest pass over N. America just a
>> few minutes ago. The schedule on Twitter says it should be open, but I
>> got nothing.
>> 
>> Steve AI9IN
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From mjohns+K0JM at luther.edu  Sat Aug 17 23:02:00 2019
From: mjohns+K0JM at luther.edu (Mark D. Johns)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:02:00 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-230 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <CAHKCqnA5enELEtiJNeikkctVV6GXZ1fHLkgRtTO3kmCx8kF_Pg@mail.gmail.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-230

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
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satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
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In this edition:

* AMSAT Space Symposium Call for Papers
* 2019 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Reminder
* FCC Dismisses ARRL, AMSAT Requests in Small Satellite Proceeding
* Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution
* 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced
* Upcoming Satellite Operations
* PSAT2 Downlink for DTMF Grids and Messages
* Microwave Update Call for Submissions
* Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule
* Chinese Satellite Profiles RF Spectrum as Seen from Lunar Orbit
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


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ANS-230 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 230.01
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE 18 August 2019
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-230.01

AMSAT Space Symposium Call for Papers

AMSAT has issued a call for papers for the 50th Anniversary AMSAT An-
nual Meeting and Space Symposium to be held on the weekend of October
18 ? 20 at The Hilton Arlington, 950 North Stafford Street, Arlington,
Virginia. Proposals for papers, symposium presentations, and poster
presentations are invited on any topic of interest to the amateur
satellite community. We request a tentative title of your presentation
as soon as possible, with final copy to be submitted by September 23
for inclusion in the printed proceedings. Abstracts and papers should
be sent to Dan Schultz at n8fgv(at)amsat.org

[ANS thanks Dan Schultz, N8FGV, for the above information]

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2019 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Reminder

Votes must be received no later than Sunday, September 15, 2019 in
order to be counted in the 2019 AMSAT Board of Directors Election.
AMSAT members should have received ballots by mail. Members who have
not yet received their ballot must contact ElectionBuddy via email to
amsat at electionbuddy.com

[ANS thanks AMSAT for the above information]

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FCC Dismisses ARRL, AMSAT Requests in Small Satellite Proceeding

An FCC Report and Order (R&O) released August 2 in the so-called
?small satellite? rulemaking proceeding, IB Docket 18-86, failed to
address concerns expressed by ARRL and AMSAT. Both organizations filed
comments on the FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) in the pro-
ceeding last year, seeking changes in the FCCs interpretations and
procedures affecting satellites operating on Amateur Satellite Service
frequencies.

?These comments address topics outside the scope of this proceeding,
and we decline to adopt any of the requested rule modifications or up-
dates at this time,? the FCC said in the R&O. The FCC did mention
amateur satellites in its 2018 NPRM, explaining what they are and
describing the documentation and authorization process, but it did not
solicit comments.

?The Commission did not seek comment in the NPRM on any modifications
or updates to the rules governing Experimental or amateur satellite
licensing. The streamlined Part 25 small satellite process adopted in
the Order is an alternative to existing license processes and does not
replace or modify the authorization procedures for satellites current-
ly contained in Parts 5, 25, or 97 of the Commission?s rules,? the FCC
explained. ?Nevertheless, we received a number of comments in response
to the NPRM, particularly regarding the rules applicable to amateur
satellite operations, suggesting that aspects of those rules be im-
proved or clarified.?

In its 2018 NPRM, the FCC had said, ?Because the type of operations
that qualify as amateur [is] narrowly defined, an amateur satellite
authorization will not be appropriate for many small satellite opera-
tions.?

In its 2018 comments, ARRL said it wanted the FCC to preclude exploi-
tation of amateur spectrum by commercial small-satellite users author-
ized under Part 5 Experimental rules and suggested that the FCC adopt
a ?a bright line test? to define and distinguish satellites that
should be permitted to operate under Amateur Satellite rules.

ARRL?s position was to support and encourage college and university
Amateur Radio experiments where the sponsor of the experiment is a
licensed radio amateur and all operation in amateur spectrum is com-
pliant with Part 97. Part 5 Experimental authorizations for satellites
intended to operate in amateur allocations by non-amateur sponsors
should be discouraged, absent a compelling show of need, ARRL told the
FCC.

The International Amateur Radio Union (IARU) announced in 2017 that it
would no longer coordinate non-amateur satellite operations unless
directed to do so by the national administration, and it adopted new
satellite frequency coordination guidelines that require educational
and university satellites to have an identified amateur component.
AMSAT?s comments reflected many of the same concerns that ARRL had
expressed.

[ANS thanks ARRL and Ray Soifer, W2RS, for the above information]

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Changes to AMSAT-NA TLE Distribution

SpaceTrack is not showing the correct NORAD CAT ID for Raavana-1,
Uguisu, and NepaliSat-1. The NORAD CAT ID for the following Amateur
Radio satellites has been corrected as follows:

Raavana-1    - NORAD CAT ID 44329 (per Nico Janssen, PA0DLO).
Uguisu       - NORAD CAT ID 44330 (per Nico Janssen, PA0DLO).
NepaliSat-1  - NORAD CAT ID 44331 (per Nico Janssen, PA0DLO).

[ANS thanks Nico Janssen, PA0DLO, and Ray Hoad, WA5QGD, for the above
information]

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    Need new satellite antennas? Purchase Arrows, Alaskan Arrows,
  and M2 LEO-Packs from the AMSAT Store. When you purchase
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50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium Banquet Speakers Announced

Tickets are now available for the AMSAT Symposium Saturday Evening
Banquet on Saturday, Oct. 19 will feature a panel of guest speakers
presenting ?The Foundations of AMSAT? followed by a question and
answer period. Guest speakers will include:

Lance Ginner, K6GSJ (Project OSCAR)
George Jacobs, W3ASK (Author, Diplomat)
Dr. Perry Klein, W3PK (Founding President of AMSAT)
Dr. Owen Mace (Australis-OSCAR 5 Builder, University of Melbourne)
Richard Tonkin (Australis-OSCAR 5 Builder, University of Melbourne)
Jan King, W3GEY (Founding member of AMSAT and Australis-OSCAR 5
     Project Manager)

The 50th Anniversary AMSAT Space Symposium and General Meeting will be
held on Friday through Sunday, Oct. 18-20, 2019, in Arlington, Va.
at The Hilton Arlington. Symposium registration is available for $60
from now until September 15th. Banquet tickets are $55. Tickets are
now available on the AMSAT Store at:
https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-symposium/

Tickets are also available for the Sunday tour. On Sunday, Oct. 20,
a bus tour will take attendees to the the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center,
an annex of the National Air and Space Museum. Two large hangars dis-
play thousands of aviation and space artifacts, including a Lockheed
SR-71 Blackbird, a Concorde, and the Space Shuttle Discovery. Bus
capacity is limited to 35 attendees. Tickets are $30 per person.
Attendees who wish to drive may also join the tour group. Parking at
the Udvar-Hazy Center is $15.

On Monday, Oct. 21, AMSAT President Joe Spier, K6WAO, will lead a
walking tour of the National Mall. No reservations are required.
Transportation to the National Mall will be via the Washington Metro.

Additional information, including hotel reservation information is
available at https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium/

[ANS thanks Paul Stoetzer, N8HM, AMSAT Executive Vice President, for
the above information]

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    AMSAT and ARISS are currently supporting a FundRazr campaign
    to raise $150,000 for critical radio infrastructure upgrades
    on ISS. The upgrades are necessary to enable students to
    continue to talk to astronauts in space via Amateur Radio.
     We have reached a great milestone with $33,480 raised
    or about 22% towards our goal. This would not have been
         possible without your outstanding generosity!!

          For more information and to DONATE TODAY visit:

     https://fundrazr.com/arissnextgen?ref=ab_e7Htwa_ab_47IcJ9

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Upcoming Satellite Operations

* W3ZM/7 will be operating on FM satellites, August 17-19 from Oregon,
  grids CN93 and CN94, operated by KI7UNJ. Remember to check out W3ZM
  On the Road for additional upcoming activations!

* 6Y Jamaica (FK18) AUGUST 12-19, 2019
  Philippe, EA4NF will be operating from JAMAICA (IOTA NA-097 ? Grid
  FK18) on both FM and linear satellites with the special call 6Y4NF
  from August 12 to 19, 2019. QSL via LoTW. Keep an eye on Philippe?s
  Twitter feed for further updates : https://twitter.com/EA4NF_SAT.

* Yosemite, California (DM06 and DM07) August 14-20, 2019
  John, N7JY is on a vacation schedule and plans to get on various FM
  passes as time permits. No social media, but he may be tracked on
  aprs.fi/N7JY. Contacts will be logged on LOTW following trip.

* AM1SAT (All Grids in Spain)  September 9-15
  AMSAT-EA will be transmitting its special call AM1SAT via all active
  satellites from September 9th to September 15th as part of the V
  RadioHam Fair IberRadio 2019 activities. IberRadio is the biggest
  event for the ham community in southwest Europe and will open doors
  September 14th and 15th. AM1SAT call sign will be active from a min-
  imum of 14 different grids during that time to help satellite opera-
  tors to collect as much EA locators as possible. As part of this
  activity, and in order to promote the participation, AMSAT-EA is
  sponsoring the AM1SAT Special Award in two categories: SILVER and
  GOLD. More info available at https://www.amsat-ea.org/ Learn more
  about IberRadio at: http://www.iberradio.es.

Please submit any additions or corrections to ke4al (at) amsat.org

[ANS thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL, for the above information]

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PSAT2 Downlink for DTMF Grids and Messages

Thanks to Robert, KE6BLR, amateurs can now capture the DTMF Grids and
Messages data coming down from PSAT2. A DTMF page has been added to
the list of links for PSAT2: http://aprs.org/sats.html

Summary: You encode your Grid and callsign into a 16 digit DTMF memory
on your radio. Using narrow band FM, send it on 145.98 with doppler
compensation or at the middle of a pass.

PSAT2 assigns a CQ number and acknowledges it by voice and then sends
an APRS packet that contains the grid. Robert's web page will capture
that packet.

A second station can send their DTMF grid and get the same process but
with a new CQ number.

Now, either station can send a DTMF QSL Message for the other guy's CQ
number which will also be spoken and recorded on the APRS downlink.

Details are on the psat2 page on the above web page.

PSAT2 is entering a phase of Apogee in the northern hemisphere for a
week or so, and so is more workable in the USA and southern Europe.

[ANS thanks Bob Bruninga, WB4APR for the above information]

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Microwave Update Call for Submissions

The ARRL will once again publish proceedings from this year's Micro-
wave Update conference. At this time, The North Texas Microwave Socie-
ty is soliciting additional papers for the proceedings. It is not
necessary to be a presenter at the conference to have an article pub-
lished in the proceedings. Papers must be emailed to Kent Britain,
WA5VJB, at wa5vjb at flash.net, by August 31 as they will be submitted to
the League for printing the week of Sept 3. Please also copy Al Ward,
W5LUA,at w5lua at sbcglobal.net.

If you have an interesting project that you have been working on,
please consider sharing it with the community by publishing your work
in the proceedings.

Guidelines for submission may be found at:
http://www.microwaveupdate.org/proceedings.php

Questions may be directed to Bob Stricklin, N5BRG, at
bstrick at n5brg.com, Al Ward, W5LUA, at w5lua at sbcglobal.net or Kent
Britain, WA5VJB, at wa5vjb at flash.net

The Microwave Update conference will be held in Dallas, Texas, on
October 3-5. For conference information, see the website:
www.microwaveupdate.org

[ANS thanks Bob Stricklin, N5BRG, for the above information]

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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

Loreto College, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via
IK1SLD. The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be IR?ISS. The
scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV. Contact is go for: Thursday
2019-08-15 09:17:06 UTC 53 degrees. Watch for live stream at
www.ariotti.com starting about 15 min before AOS.

The Children?s Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda,
MD (CASIS#3), telebridge via VK4KHZ. The ISS callsign is presently
scheduled to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA.
Contact is go for: Thursday 2019-08-22 17:16:22 UTC 38 deg

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/

[ANS thanks ARISS and Charlie Sufana, AJ9N, for the above information]

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Chinese Satellite Profiles RF Spectrum as Seen from Lunar Orbit

The Chinese DSLWP-B (LO-94) satellite that had been in lunar orbit
provided a profile of Earth?s HF spectrum as seen from the moon. The
microsatellite subsequently was crashed into the moon?s surface after
having completed its mission. DSLWP stands for ?Discovering the Sky at
Longest Wavelengths Pathfinder.? Among other things, DSLWP-B was de-
signed to test low-frequency radio astronomy and space-based interfer-
ometry, and it carried Amateur Radio and educational payloads.

The HF spectrum mission included mapping ?RF interference? from Earth
in the 1 ? 30 MHz range by studying its occlusion by the moon during
lunar orbit. According to Chinese media accounts, this was done to
?verify the technology of ultra-long wave astronomical observation and
solar radiation research.? The onboard detector sensed the spectrum of
RF radiation at different positions of the lunar orbit.

The Harbin Institute of Technology (BY2HIT) developed and built the
DSLWP spacecraft and oversaw the mission. The microsatellite also
carried optical cameras from Saudi Arabia.

In July, a contact between radio amateurs in Germany and China took
place on July 1 via LO-94. The two-way exchange was between Reinhard
Kuehn, DK5LA, in S?rup, Germany, and Harbin Institute of Technology
club station BY2HIT (operated by Wei Mingchuan, BG2BHC), in Harbin,
China, via the onboard GMSK-to-JT4G repeater ? the first such contact
ever made.

[ANS thanks ARRL for the above information]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ Members of the Radioaficionados Yucatecos will activate the
  Celarain Lighthouse (ILLW MX0011, XEFF-0004) during the Internation-
  al Lighthouse and Lightship Weekend (ILLW), August 17-18, from the
  island Cozumel (IOTA NA-090). They will be QRV as XF3LL on 40 to 10m
  on SSB, digital modes, and via satellites. QSL via EA5GL.
  (ANS thanks the DARC DX Newsletter for the above information)

+ CubeSats will make an appearance at next weekend's Robotstock #STEM
  education event in Philadelphia, August 24-25.
  (ANS thanks Alan Johnston, KU2Y, AMSAT VP-Educational Relations, for
  the above information)

+ AMSAT President Joe Spier, K6WAO, was in attendance at the 2019
  Small Satellite Conference on the campus of Utah State University in
  Logan, Utah to promote AMSAT's mission of Keeping Amateur Radio in
  Space. During the conference, AMSAT and the University of Colorado
  Boulder announced the signing of a Collaborative Agreement. ANS will
  publish details when available.
  (ANS thanks

+ The small satellite launch market has grown to account for ?69% of
  the satellites launched last year in number of satellites but only
  4% of the total mass launched (i.e 372 tons). ? The smallsat market
  experienced a 23% compound annual growth rate (CAGR) from 2009 to
  2018? with even greater growth expected in the future, dominated by
  the launch needs of constellations.
  (ANS thanks orbitalindex.com for the above information)

+ The countdown for the next Rocket Lab launch has started. The launch
  will come no earlier than 13:29 UTC on Friday, August 16, but as
  always with launches, may be delayed. For updates, see:
  https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1162206454910029830
  Or view the live stream from here: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/
  about 20 minutes before launch. This is scheduled to be a night time
  launch local New Zealand time.
  (ANS thanks Terry Osborne, ZL2BAC, for the above information)

+ Tamir Rosenberg, N6JJ, has released a video entitled "Ham Radio Sat-
  ellites! Everything you need to know from theory to tactics!" See it
  on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiOORDkkZ8

+ ANS wishes a speedy recovery to EMike McCardel, AA8EM, Senior Editor
  of AMSAT News Service and past AMSAT-NA VP Educational Relations.
  Mike was seriously injured in an accident while cleaning up tree
  damage on his property near Howard, Ohio following a severe storm
  which occurred on Tuesday, August 6. He is currently in a rehabili-
  tation facility following surgery for several broken bones, and
  faces many weeks of rehab and recovery.


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Office.

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at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
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Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73 and Remember to help keep amateur radio in space,
This week's ANS Editor,

K0JM at amsat dot org

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 18 21:18:56 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:18:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kudos and Crowd-sourcing
References: <1399617791.671780.1566163136177.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1399617791.671780.1566163136177@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello "powers that be". :-)

I've taken the time to learn about the steps it takes to get a satellite from conception to launch-and-long-term-management.

Once I did and stepped back to "take it all in", I felt compelled to sincerely tip my hat to those that have made it possible to put "a bird in the air", in the past as well as to those who are attempting to do so now.

To that end, I have a stronger-than-ever belief that there is a vastly untapped resource in the guise of "bystanders" and "lurkers"; those who are not now (nor are likely to ever be) "insiders" or "on a project team" themselves ... but if allowed to, would gladly seek out a "friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend" to fill-in some critical need that is keeping a modern "bird" from taking flight.

Please "powers that be", reconsider and "open" the books on what you can use along with a contact person for that item.? You may find what you need through the "resources-of-the-crowd".

I'm "tapping out" on this concept for now (I'm as tired talking about it as many are tired of my talking about it, lol) but know that I'm one of those who would be a willing and eager "resource-in-the-crowd", if someone were to simply be honest and straightforward about a concrete need (other than money) and have it align with where I think my 6-degrees-of-separation could take them.


Very 73,Ev, W2EV

PS: my interest is in a highly-elliptical linear bird, or maybe a geostationary one serving the Americas, fwiw.? I don't think I'd burn my relationships on another FM LEO.


From smillick at wamusa.com  Sun Aug 18 22:07:22 2019
From: smillick at wamusa.com (Scott Millick)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:07:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
Message-ID: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>

What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions 

Scott


From K6FW1 at verizon.net  Sun Aug 18 22:18:45 2019
From: K6FW1 at verizon.net (Frank)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 15:18:45 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
In-Reply-To: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
References: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <5D96AD51-10B6-4CBC-8534-0DF5C1EEFA47@verizon.net>

I use SATPC32 to control the radios and antennas and HRD to plan for upcoming passes.

Frank
K6FW


> On Aug 18, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions 
> 
> Scott
> 
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From w3ab at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 18 22:19:06 2019
From: w3ab at yahoo.com (W3AB/GEO)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 15:19:06 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
In-Reply-To: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
References: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <2485c56f-9bbf-4c3a-b548-2032898774d4@yahoo.com>

Wow, win19! This is a beta OS?

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On Aug 18, 2019, 15:14, at 15:14, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot
>get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions 
>
>Scott
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
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From wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc  Sun Aug 18 23:16:35 2019
From: wb1fj-bb at fisher.cc (Burns Fisher)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:16:35 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
In-Reply-To: <2485c56f-9bbf-4c3a-b548-2032898774d4@yahoo.com>
References: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
	<2485c56f-9bbf-4c3a-b548-2032898774d4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABX7KxUYAS1K0K6PXjKbWTr124Q_bgPJXPY0HF2PohtQXYX43w@mail.gmail.com>

SatPC32 is the most popular for Windows.  MacDoppler is the popular for Mac.

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 6:21 PM W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Wow, win19! This is a beta OS?
>
> ?___
> Sent from my two way wrist watch
> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>
> On Aug 18, 2019, 15:14, at 15:14, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot
> >get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >Opinions expressed
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> >of AMSAT-NA.
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> >program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From va6bmj at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 00:22:48 2019
From: va6bmj at gmail.com (B J)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 00:22:48 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
In-Reply-To: <CABX7KxUYAS1K0K6PXjKbWTr124Q_bgPJXPY0HF2PohtQXYX43w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
	<2485c56f-9bbf-4c3a-b548-2032898774d4@yahoo.com>
	<CABX7KxUYAS1K0K6PXjKbWTr124Q_bgPJXPY0HF2PohtQXYX43w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7QzkO4GqWQ-CB4p6FzJ2L7+BVjM6SQNiqdeyDDfrxfwqfc8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Gpredict runs on both FreeBSD and Linux and, I believe, it's available
in Windows and Mac versions as well.


On 8/18/19, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> SatPC32 is the most popular for Windows.  MacDoppler is the popular for Mac.
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 6:21 PM W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, win19! This is a beta OS?
>>
>> ?___
>> Sent from my two way wrist watch
>> 73 de W3AB/GEO?
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2019, 15:14, at 15:14, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> >What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot
>> >get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions
>> >
>> >Scott
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> >to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> >Opinions expressed
>> >are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> >of AMSAT-NA.
>> >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> >program!
>> >Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
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>> AMSAT-NA.
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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>

From aa5uk at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 19 00:23:34 2019
From: aa5uk at yahoo.com (Adrian Engele)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 00:23:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
In-Reply-To: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
References: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <738067298.688594.1566174214217@mail.yahoo.com>

Try running Nova in Administrator mode.I have had to do that on one of my laptops to get it to work. IT works very well on W10! Still has the best graphics. If you need to do Doppler correction on your radios, then SatPC is the way to go.
73, Adrian AA5UK

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:13 PM, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:   What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions 

Scott

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From aa5uk at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 19 00:23:34 2019
From: aa5uk at yahoo.com (Adrian Engele)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 00:23:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tracking program
In-Reply-To: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
References: <727B8840-BDA2-49C9-A0D4-05C4764A5606@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <738067298.688594.1566174214217@mail.yahoo.com>

Try running Nova in Administrator mode.I have had to do that on one of my laptops to get it to work. IT works very well on W10! Still has the best graphics. If you need to do Doppler correction on your radios, then SatPC is the way to go.
73, Adrian AA5UK

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:13 PM, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:   What is best program to show selected amateur satellites as I cannot get nova to work on windows 19. Any suggestions 

Scott

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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 04:41:23 2019
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 16:41:23 +1200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Weather looking good for Rocket Lab Launch
Message-ID: <4382DC8C3E6640919D1D67014A2AF9BC@OsbornesPC>

Weather is looking good for the next launch attempt tonight. (NZST).
See: https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1163275676775923712
Web cast from here: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/

Should start about 12:00 UTC.

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC

From bruninga at usna.edu  Mon Aug 19 13:53:59 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:53:59 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: PSAT2-1 DTMF Restored
Message-ID: <f21099805c64011702cdf6ece17bec8a@mail.gmail.com>

PY5LF in Brazil reports that he has restored PSAT2 to DTMF operation.

There had been an unknown reset on 18 Aug at 1400Z.

Everything looks fine on all the downlinks: http://aprs.org/sats.html



Bob, WB4APR



*From:* PY5LF <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
*Subject:* Re: PSAT2-1 DTMF Reset



PSAT2 is back to DTMF mode!

I also try to send message and all works nice.



[0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#029,721,581,863,922,434,01000000
[0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*:>GG54>S#001280,

[0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:LL/G CQ#1<0x0d>
[0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#030,707,604,882,914,162,11010001
[0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      :45 I am 55 years
old.

[0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      : Q S L, your
number 59,
 My number is 2.<0x0d>
[0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*:>GG54LL/G CQ#3<0x0d>
[0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#032,720,612,886,866,162,11010001
[0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*:>GG54LL/G CQ#5<0x0d>
[0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#033,701,581,883,845,162,11010001

From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 15:45:12 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 08:45:12 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: PSAT2-1 DTMF Restored
In-Reply-To: <f21099805c64011702cdf6ece17bec8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f21099805c64011702cdf6ece17bec8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABaTVVZCqU7TB3D8BOX7b=r_=LXMDph8_6dHOT5=1x-5oyp23w@mail.gmail.com>

This arrived about 30 minutes ago. DTMF appears to be turned on again.

2019-08-19 15:15:10
PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS,qAO,PY5LF-10::BLNi-DTMF:d|PY5LF,2E0CRV,,,,,,,

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 6:54 AM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> PY5LF in Brazil reports that he has restored PSAT2 to DTMF operation.
>
> There had been an unknown reset on 18 Aug at 1400Z.
>
> Everything looks fine on all the downlinks: http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
>
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
>
>
> *From:* PY5LF <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
> *Subject:* Re: PSAT2-1 DTMF Reset
>
>
>
> PSAT2 is back to DTMF mode!
>
> I also try to send message and all works nice.
>
>
>
> [0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#029,721,581,863,922,434,01000000
> [0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*:>GG54>S#001280,
>
> [0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:LL/G CQ#1<0x0d>
> [0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#030,707,604,882,914,162,11010001
> [0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      :45 I am 55 years
> old.
>
> [0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*::ALL      : Q S L, your
> number 59,
>  My number is 2.<0x0d>
> [0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*:>GG54LL/G CQ#3<0x0d>
> [0.6] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#032,720,612,886,866,162,11010001
> [0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:}PY5LF0>APS,TT,PS2*:>GG54LL/G CQ#5<0x0d>
> [0.5] PSAT2-1>APOFF,ARISS:T#033,701,581,883,845,162,11010001
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 17:26:44 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:26:44 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
Message-ID: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>

I am fiddling with a new page that displays a list of upcoming Satellite
APRS passes:

http://www.aprsat.com/predict

This list combines these satellites:

1) ISS
2) PCSAT
3) PSAT
4) AISAT
5) FALCONSAT-3
6) PSAT2
7) USNAP1

Feel free to take this on a test-drive and let me know your thoughts and
suggestions.

I added the 3rd row highlight today. The default Lon/Lat is your Internet
provider address based on IP lookup. You can override this for more
accurate results by typing into the boxes on the right and applying changes.

73
RM

Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR Ham Radio License
. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
Exploration

From k8bl at ameritech.net  Mon Aug 19 17:48:54 2019
From: k8bl at ameritech.net (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:48:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: Please reply to this survey if you would like WWV to
 remain on the air
In-Reply-To: <2050056961.7350889.1566235668522@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1032562672.9526175.1566194071008.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<1762539057.9526602.1566194318471.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<2050056961.7350889.1566235668522@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1036357702.1818411.1566236934069@mail.yahoo.com>

 This message was forwarded by, I believe, Frank W3LPL, to alert everyone
about the the WWV Survey being taken to provide info for decision-makersabout the continued need for the existence of WWV. It would be a terribleloss for us all if WWV went away merely to save $$$ in some bureaucrat'sbudget. Please submit the survey on the link below ASAP and forward thisto as many Hams as possible before the dates listed . You can use the link forthe survey rather than listening directly to WWV.TNX/73,? ? Bob? K8BL
   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: donovanf at starpower.net [wsjtgroup] <wsjtgroup-noreply at yahoogroups.com>To: wsjtgroup <wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019, 02:00:54 AM EDTSubject: [wsjtgroup] Please reply to this survey if you would like WWV to remain on the air
 ?   


From: Paul English englishp at hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019, 11:15:47 AM CDT
Subject: DOD Broadcast and Listener Survey on WWV and WWVH

>From 14-24 August, WWV and WWVH will be broadcasting a DOD message at 10 mins past the hour on WWV and 50 mins past the hour on WWVH. As part of the message, all listeners are asked to take a listener survey at the URL specified in the message.

http://www.dodmars.org/home/wwv-survey


The results of this survey are shared with WWV/H personnel to show their NIST chain of command how often their stations are monitored and how the various timing signals and messages are used by the listeners.

Please take a listen to this message and take the survey...as the saying goes, "every vote counts" and your input to this survey is being used to help demonstrate the importance of these stations.

Thanks for your consideration in this effort.

Paul English, WD8DBY
Chief, Army MARS
  __._,_.___     Posted by: donovanf at starpower.net     


    

From tasmac at w5pfg.us  Mon Aug 19 18:46:41 2019
From: tasmac at w5pfg.us (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:46:41 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Return to DL88jx - 27 August 2019
Message-ID: <e85c019c-1271-21fe-83a9-8202c2b144e9@w5pfg.us>

I plan to visit gridsquare DL88jx next Tuesday, August 27.

Due to weather conditions, general remoteness, and safety I'll target 
these satellite passes:

AO-91 17:06-12:13Z  Eastern US coverage
AO-92 17:37-17:47Z  Western US coverage

There is one AO-92 before this period and a later AO-91. You might 
listen for me on either of those passes.

Normally I'd provide updates on this activity via Twitter @w5pfg but I 
don't plan to be online during my days in Big Bend NP.

This activation is subject to weather and back road conditions.

73
Clayton
W5PFG




From scott23192 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 18:49:16 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:49:16 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
In-Reply-To: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnObvgAKLjA8541wOWMXO=XQJT0Sr53T9e6nDoaGXdpcVvw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!  Yes, sometime back you had told me about that so I've been watching
the evolution of the site and enjoying how skilled you are at this type of
thing.

I did try once entering my LAT/LOG but don't believe it was retained across
sessions.  Have you, or are you, going to use a cookie or some method to
retain that for people so they only have to enter it once?  Oh, and another
feature that I LOVE on sites of this type is the ability to enter my grid
square instead of having to look up my LAT/LON.  Everyone knows their grid
square but I have to go to a saved file on my computer to copy/paste my
LAT/LOG since I don't use it that often.  Just a thought.

Great job - thanks for sharing!

-Scott

============================

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:37 PM KE6BLR Robert via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I am fiddling with a new page that displays a list of upcoming Satellite
> APRS passes:
>
> http://www.aprsat.com/predict
>
> This list combines these satellites:
>
> 1) ISS
> 2) PCSAT
> 3) PSAT
> 4) AISAT
> 5) FALCONSAT-3
> 6) PSAT2
> 7) USNAP1
>
> Feel free to take this on a test-drive and let me know your thoughts and
> suggestions.
>
> I added the 3rd row highlight today. The default Lon/Lat is your Internet
> provider address based on IP lookup. You can override this for more
> accurate results by typing into the boxes on the right and applying
> changes.
>
> 73
> RM
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> . http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From bernd1peters at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 20:55:44 2019
From: bernd1peters at gmail.com (bernd1peters at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:55:44 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
In-Reply-To: <CAJCSnObvgAKLjA8541wOWMXO=XQJT0Sr53T9e6nDoaGXdpcVvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnObvgAKLjA8541wOWMXO=XQJT0Sr53T9e6nDoaGXdpcVvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04a401d556d0$78434b00$68c9e100$@gmail.com>

Thank you for posting this URL, this is exactly what I have been looking for. Now, if we could have that for FM and Linear birds as well ? (could just be a drop-down to select from)

Great job and I love the simplicity.

73,
Bernd - KB7AK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Scott via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:49 AM
To: KE6BLR Robert <ke6blr.robert at gmail.com>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict

Hello!  Yes, sometime back you had told me about that so I've been watching the evolution of the site and enjoying how skilled you are at this type of thing.

I did try once entering my LAT/LOG but don't believe it was retained across sessions.  Have you, or are you, going to use a cookie or some method to retain that for people so they only have to enter it once?  Oh, and another feature that I LOVE on sites of this type is the ability to enter my grid square instead of having to look up my LAT/LON.  Everyone knows their grid square but I have to go to a saved file on my computer to copy/paste my LAT/LOG since I don't use it that often.  Just a thought.

Great job - thanks for sharing!

-Scott

============================

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:37 PM KE6BLR Robert via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I am fiddling with a new page that displays a list of upcoming 
> Satellite APRS passes:
>
> http://www.aprsat.com/predict
>
> This list combines these satellites:
>
> 1) ISS
> 2) PCSAT
> 3) PSAT
> 4) AISAT
> 5) FALCONSAT-3
> 6) PSAT2
> 7) USNAP1
>
> Feel free to take this on a test-drive and let me know your thoughts 
> and suggestions.
>
> I added the 3rd row highlight today. The default Lon/Lat is your 
> Internet provider address based on IP lookup. You can override this 
> for more accurate results by typing into the boxes on the right and 
> applying changes.
>
> 73
> RM
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> . http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs 
> <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space 
> Exploration _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available 
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect 
> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From ki7unj at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 21:32:43 2019
From: ki7unj at gmail.com (KI7UNJ Tucker)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:32:43 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
In-Reply-To: <04a401d556d0$78434b00$68c9e100$@gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnObvgAKLjA8541wOWMXO=XQJT0Sr53T9e6nDoaGXdpcVvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<04a401d556d0$78434b00$68c9e100$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPFr_UnMxDiiRriUzPruU8rbY2YX7HHuwhWWmg-V-jhcPmXytw@mail.gmail.com>

Bernd,

You should check out SatMatch.com made by K5EM


On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:57 PM Bernd Peters via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Thank you for posting this URL, this is exactly what I have been looking
> for. Now, if we could have that for FM and Linear birds as well ? (could
> just be a drop-down to select from)
>
> Great job and I love the simplicity.
>
> 73,
> Bernd - KB7AK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Scott via
> AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:49 AM
> To: KE6BLR Robert <ke6blr.robert at gmail.com>
> Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
>
> Hello!  Yes, sometime back you had told me about that so I've been
> watching the evolution of the site and enjoying how skilled you are at this
> type of thing.
>
> I did try once entering my LAT/LOG but don't believe it was retained
> across sessions.  Have you, or are you, going to use a cookie or some
> method to retain that for people so they only have to enter it once?  Oh,
> and another feature that I LOVE on sites of this type is the ability to
> enter my grid square instead of having to look up my LAT/LON.  Everyone
> knows their grid square but I have to go to a saved file on my computer to
> copy/paste my LAT/LOG since I don't use it that often.  Just a thought.
>
> Great job - thanks for sharing!
>
> -Scott
>
> ============================
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:37 PM KE6BLR Robert via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> > I am fiddling with a new page that displays a list of upcoming
> > Satellite APRS passes:
> >
> > http://www.aprsat.com/predict
> >
> > This list combines these satellites:
> >
> > 1) ISS
> > 2) PCSAT
> > 3) PSAT
> > 4) AISAT
> > 5) FALCONSAT-3
> > 6) PSAT2
> > 7) USNAP1
> >
> > Feel free to take this on a test-drive and let me know your thoughts
> > and suggestions.
> >
> > I added the 3rd row highlight today. The default Lon/Lat is your
> > Internet provider address based on IP lookup. You can override this
> > for more accurate results by typing into the boxes on the right and
> > applying changes.
> >
> > 73
> > RM
> >
> > Robert MacHale
> > . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> > . http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs
> > <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
> > . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> > Exploration _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> > the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
> all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


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https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ
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From bernd1peters at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 22:06:40 2019
From: bernd1peters at gmail.com (bernd1peters at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 15:06:40 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
In-Reply-To: <CAPFr_UnMxDiiRriUzPruU8rbY2YX7HHuwhWWmg-V-jhcPmXytw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJCSnObvgAKLjA8541wOWMXO=XQJT0Sr53T9e6nDoaGXdpcVvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<04a401d556d0$78434b00$68c9e100$@gmail.com>
	<CAPFr_UnMxDiiRriUzPruU8rbY2YX7HHuwhWWmg-V-jhcPmXytw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04b301d556da$61463cf0$23d2b6d0$@gmail.com>

Another Gem, thanks for posting it. Love the little graphics in each row.

 

From: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 2:33 PM
To: bernd1peters at gmail.com
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict

 

Bernd,

 

You should check out SatMatch.com made by K5EM

 

 

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:57 PM Bernd Peters via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org> > wrote:

Thank you for posting this URL, this is exactly what I have been looking for. Now, if we could have that for FM and Linear birds as well ? (could just be a drop-down to select from)

Great job and I love the simplicity.

73,
Bernd - KB7AK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> > On Behalf Of Scott via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:49 AM
To: KE6BLR Robert <ke6blr.robert at gmail.com <mailto:ke6blr.robert at gmail.com> >
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org> >
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict

Hello!  Yes, sometime back you had told me about that so I've been watching the evolution of the site and enjoying how skilled you are at this type of thing.

I did try once entering my LAT/LOG but don't believe it was retained across sessions.  Have you, or are you, going to use a cookie or some method to retain that for people so they only have to enter it once?  Oh, and another feature that I LOVE on sites of this type is the ability to enter my grid square instead of having to look up my LAT/LON.  Everyone knows their grid square but I have to go to a saved file on my computer to copy/paste my LAT/LOG since I don't use it that often.  Just a thought.

Great job - thanks for sharing!

-Scott

============================

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:37 PM KE6BLR Robert via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org> > wrote:

> I am fiddling with a new page that displays a list of upcoming 
> Satellite APRS passes:
>
> http://www.aprsat.com/predict
>
> This list combines these satellites:
>
> 1) ISS
> 2) PCSAT
> 3) PSAT
> 4) AISAT
> 5) FALCONSAT-3
> 6) PSAT2
> 7) USNAP1
>
> Feel free to take this on a test-drive and let me know your thoughts 
> and suggestions.
>
> I added the 3rd row highlight today. The default Lon/Lat is your 
> Internet provider address based on IP lookup. You can override this 
> for more accurate results by typing into the boxes on the right and 
> applying changes.
>
> 73
> RM
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> . http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs 
> <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space 
> Exploration _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org> . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available 
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. 
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect 
> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org> . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org> . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb




 

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From py5lf at falautomation.com.br  Mon Aug 19 22:59:36 2019
From: py5lf at falautomation.com.br (PY5LF)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:59:36 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] APRSAT Predict
In-Reply-To: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaTVVZqgBD_ccQQi75oJk0sRxNLVXo0yqhaHA6DuvtYVOrQOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAy53m5Ow4wGD5Fdg4NGa5wOYVg+OurHMe-3_8ps8H1O3=Qyww@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice Robert , thank you for share. Add to my favorites.

Em seg, 19 de ago de 2019 ?s 14:38, KE6BLR Robert via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> escreveu:

> I am fiddling with a new page that displays a list of upcoming Satellite
> APRS passes:
>
> http://www.aprsat.com/predict
>
> This list combines these satellites:
>
> 1) ISS
> 2) PCSAT
> 3) PSAT
> 4) AISAT
> 5) FALCONSAT-3
> 6) PSAT2
> 7) USNAP1
>
> Feel free to take this on a test-drive and let me know your thoughts and
> suggestions.
>
> I added the 3rd row highlight today. The default Lon/Lat is your Internet
> provider address based on IP lookup. You can override this for more
> accurate results by typing into the boxes on the right and applying
> changes.
>
> 73
> RM
>
> Robert MacHale
> . KE6BLR Ham Radio License
> . http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs <http://spacecommunicator.club/aprs>
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space
> Exploration
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


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From wandtosborne at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 04:21:54 2019
From: wandtosborne at gmail.com (Wendy and Terry Osborne)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:21:54 +1200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Rocket Lab Launch replay
Message-ID: <AE0781262DE140D9B3C163A335B21A34@OsbornesPC>

You can watch the replay of last night?s launch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNuauG1Gvr8

73,
Terry Osborne ZL2BAC

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug 20 18:19:34 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:19:34 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?iso-8859-1?q?Upcoming_ARISS_contact_with_The_Childre?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?n=27s_Inn_at_NIH_=28National_Institutes_of_Health?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=29=2C_Bethesda=2C_MD?=
Message-ID: <F3621FDE557841D7A850FBDADD79B307@DHJ>

 

 

 

 

An International Space Station school contact has been planned with participants at The Children's Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda, MD on 22 Aug. The event is scheduled to begin at approximately 17:16 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening approximately 10 minutes before this time. The duration of the contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge between NA1SS and VK4KHZ. The contact should be audible over portions of Australia and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.

 

 

Story: 

 

The Children's Inn at NIH is partnering with the National Institutes of Health's (NIH) National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences (NCATS) and Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) to host Ask an Astronaut: Biomedical Science Edition. The event will give children receiving care at NIH a unique science and technology experience. They will learn about the importance of biomedical research in space, including NCATS' Tissue Chips in Space program, which recently sent five projects to the International Space Station and which some current crew members worked on (thank you!). 

 

About The Children's Inn at NIH 

The Children's Inn is an independent nonprofit that provides "a place like home" to families of children with rare or critical illnesses whose best hope is a clinical research trial at the NIH Clinical Center, the world's largest hospital dedicated to biomedical research. The Inn strives to fully and consistently meet the needs of our families during their children's treatments by providing housing and support services-all at no cost to them-and reducing the burdens of illness through therapeutic, educational and recreational programming.

 

The Ask an Astronaut event at The Inn will be different from ARISS's typical events with students in a classroom setting.  The children at The Inn are seriously ill, so the goal will be on having a fun and stimulating experience. Kids can enjoy the wonder of talking with astronauts on the space station, learning what it's like to live in space and work on cool science experiments like Tissue Chips in Space. They also can learn about ham radio and how the astronauts can use it to communicate with other children all around the world.

 

Thank you for taking time to speak with these children.

 

 

Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows: 

 

1. How many tissues are in the body? Does your internal tissue change     

   when you are in space?

2. How many times have you been in space?

3. What has changed for you during your trips into space?

4. What medicine do you have to take before you go into space?

5. What do you do to prepare for your travel into space?

6. Are there any medical conditions (or diseases) that may be helped by 

   being in space?

7. What are some things that you like about being in space?

8. How long do you sleep in space? Is the time required for rest 

   shorter due to being in space?

9. How do you become an astronaut and travel into space?

10. What happens if you get sick in space? How do you get medical 

    treatment?

11. How do you prepare food in space?

12. What time zone is it in space?

13. Do you get to facetime in space to talk to your family? How often?

14. Is it really hard on your energy level and body to go into to space 

    or be in space? How much energy is consumed in space and is it at a 

    faster rate?

15. What is the maximum capacity of the space station?

16. Do you find that a fear of heights affects people when they are in 

    space?

17. Are there aliens in space? Do you see foreign creatures?

18. What's the coolest thing you've seen in space? 

19. Does your hair grow faster in space? 

20. Does your body change in space? 

21. What's it like to go up in a rocket ship? 

22. Would you rather live with gravity or without gravity? 

23. What do you do for fun in space? 

24. What do you do with the waste and the materials when the 

    experiments are finished during your travel in the space station?

25. What favorite childhood books and subjects in elementary school led 

    you to want to be an astronaut?

 

 

PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:

 

      Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS).

 

      To receive our Twitter updates, follow @ARISS_status

 

Next planned event(s):

   

TBD

 

 

About ARISS

 

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that support the International Space Station (ISS).  In the United States, sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the ISS National Lab and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in classrooms or public forms. Before and during these radio contacts, students, educators, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see www.ariss.org.

 

Thank you & 73,

David - AA4KN

 

 


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From n8fgv at usa.net  Tue Aug 20 20:49:30 2019
From: n8fgv at usa.net (Daniel Schultz)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:49:30 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Second Call for Symposium papers
Message-ID: <788XHTuWE8016Set.1566334170@web07.cms.usa.net>

This is the second call for papers for the 2019 AMSAT-NA Annual Meeting and
Space Symposium to be held on the weekend of October 18 - 20 at The Hilton
Arlington, 950 North Stafford Street, Arlington, Virginia. Proposals for
papers, symposium presentations, and poster presentations are invited on any
topic of interest to the amateur satellite community. We request a tentative
title of your presentation as soon as possible, with final copy to be
submitted by September 23rd for inclusion in the printed proceedings.
Abstracts and papers should be sent to Dan Schultz at n8fgv(at)amsat.org

73,
Dan Schultz  N8FGV


From wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 20 22:00:01 2019
From: wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com (Mark Thompson)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:00:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL/TAPR DCC, Detroit,
 9/20-22 - Call for Speakers & Early Bird Registration Discount
 Extended
In-Reply-To: <48131364.3811362.1565798179981@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1727715849.1178427.1565028176302.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1727715849.1178427.1565028176302@mail.yahoo.com>
	<469148717.1184207.1565028528023@mail.yahoo.com>
	<48131364.3811362.1565798179981@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1673937235.1380429.1566338401975@mail.yahoo.com>


 2019 ARRL/TAPR DCC?(Digital Communications Conference)?
Detroit, MI (near airport)?
September 20 - 22

If you would like to present a Technical Presentation or Introductory Presentation at the DCC email TAPR President, Steve, N7HPR at steven.bible at gmail.com and include the Title of your presentation.?





Early Bird Discount Registration Discount?

Extended to Thursday, August 29th?

https://www.tapr.org/dcc#registration



DCC Features: - Two days of Technical Forums on Friday & Saturday - Introductory Forums on Saturday - Saturday Night Banquet with Keynote Speaker & Prize Drawing - Sunday Morning In-Depth Seminar - Demo Room with Free Tables Available 

      

From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 21 17:26:34 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:26:34 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] apparent bogus email
Message-ID: <DDC55570B99D49F2B5635A63D0B23652@DHJ>

All,
Please be aware of some apparent bogus email that you may receive to your amsat.org email address. An email just popped into my inbox from "amsat.org Admin." saying I have 4 pending messages ...
At the bottom of the email it has ...  
Copyright ? 2019 amsat.org, Inc. All rights reserved. We are located at 2233 S. third St., San Jose, CA 95123.

I suggest you avoid opening this if you get one.

Dave, AA4KN

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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 20:05:12 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:05:12 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] DVB-S2X Whitepaper by Newtec.
Message-ID: <FE14EA7B-9E61-4B28-9BB6-3481D6684552@gmail.com>

Hi All,

It seems like DATV on a future IARU Region 2 GEO Hamsat  might be incorporating the DVB-S2X standard.

This whitepaper by Newtec is an easy read to explain the concepts involved.

https://www.newtec.eu/frontend/files/application_note/newtec-market-trend-4k-dvb-s2x.pdf

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

From briaandy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 20:37:02 2019
From: briaandy at gmail.com (Andy Brian)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:37:02 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADMEjK_+7AdVcbHSwwra6UiF3JwjA11fLQRoGwFn78G2uQDyVQ@mail.gmail.com>

link don't works  seems to need to be a member to open schematic ( PDF)...

73

Andy

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:11 PM Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The transmitter schematic is available in the February 1962 issue of
> QST (direct link for ARRL members at
> http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/46290). Unfortunately, the digital
> keying circuit is omitted from the schematic as "the transmitter keyer
> makes use of digital circuits which may not be familiar to many
> amateurs." (at least in 1962...)
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:05 PM Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of or have a copy of the schematic for OSCAR-1? Google
> hasn?t turned up anything useful.
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike Diehl
> > W8LID/VE6LID
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Wed Aug 21 20:40:47 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:40:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] OSCAR-1 Schematic
In-Reply-To: <CADMEjK_+7AdVcbHSwwra6UiF3JwjA11fLQRoGwFn78G2uQDyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <60149827-DE11-40FC-B4AE-A6821CAAEB8A@gmail.com>
	<CABzOSOo6FH-NFeS2XiwcLAvuA-4RfMbPEb9pb7i9m__KshtD8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADMEjK_+7AdVcbHSwwra6UiF3JwjA11fLQRoGwFn78G2uQDyVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3baf3e6-4215-6e13-edc3-9715c3e3f1ae@pobox.com>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:11 PM Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB 
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
 >
 >> The transmitter schematic is available in the February 1962 issue of
 >> QST (direct link for ARRL members at
 >> http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/46290).

On 2019-08-21 15:37, Andy Brian via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> link don't works  seems to need to be a member to open schematic ( PDF)...

Indeed. As Paul said, you need to be an ARRL member to use that link.

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From kb2m at arrl.net  Wed Aug 21 20:50:35 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 16:50:35 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ADIF to gridmap program
Message-ID: <008501d55862$15579bc0$4006d340$@net>

I've decided to try and work on my  Grids worked from this location. To do
so I'm going to have to deal with the FM birds. I'm trying to keep this as
painless as possible so I'm looking for an ADIF to gridsquare map program.
A program that will input an ADIF file and map out what grids are needed and
what are already worked graphically. A quick google shows there are several
available, what one's are recommended ? Thanks for any useful input.

 

73 Jeff kb2m 


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 20:52:49 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 16:52:49 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] DVB-S2X Whitepaper by Newtec.
In-Reply-To: <FE14EA7B-9E61-4B28-9BB6-3481D6684552@gmail.com>
References: <FE14EA7B-9E61-4B28-9BB6-3481D6684552@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKPNy=QxNcenv+DS4WOY0P66kSC6x6MxBanTCGMkR2uztQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not important to DVB-S2X, but in that document the very first sentence
is incorrect:

"Beyond four times (4K) the resolution of High Definition (HD) video,
true Ultra HD (UHD) delivers a more immersive.."

I thought that's what 4K meant too at first, but it actually has to do
with the horizontal resolution being approximately 4,000 pixels.

"4K resolution, also called 4K, refers to a horizontal display
resolution of approximately 4,000 pixels."  -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

4K resolution is actually about 2x the resolution of HD. 3,840?2,160
vs 1,920?1,080

I just emailed the above to Newtec (sales email is what was listed so
who knows if it will help).

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:07 PM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> It seems like DATV on a future IARU Region 2 GEO Hamsat  might be incorporating the DVB-S2X standard.
>
> This whitepaper by Newtec is an easy read to explain the concepts involved.
>
> https://www.newtec.eu/frontend/files/application_note/newtec-market-trend-4k-dvb-s2x.pdf
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From glennmaillist at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 21 21:47:57 2019
From: glennmaillist at bellsouth.net (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:47:57 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] apparent bogus email
In-Reply-To: <DDC55570B99D49F2B5635A63D0B23652@DHJ>
References: <DDC55570B99D49F2B5635A63D0B23652@DHJ>
Message-ID: <a1833750-eefa-2ccf-39ae-79776c5ceca3@bellsouth.net>

This is the reason that I quit using the AMSAT remailer.
With spam running from bad to worst, the SA, at the time, refused to do 
anything to curtail?? the spam. Reason was to get all traffic to the end 
user without screening any.

73
Glenn
WB4UIV

On 8/21/2019 1:26 PM, n4csitwo--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> All,
> Please be aware of some apparent bogus email that you may receive to your amsat.org email address. An email just popped into my inbox from "amsat.org Admin." saying I have 4 pending messages ...
> At the bottom of the email it has ...
> Copyright ?? 2019 amsat.org, Inc. All rights reserved. We are located at 2233 S. third St., San Jose, CA 95123.
>
> I suggest you avoid opening this if you get one.
>
> Dave, AA4KN
>
> ---
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> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Glenn Little                ARRL Technical Specialist   QCWA  LM 28417
Amateur Callsign:  WB4UIV            wb4uiv at arrl.net    AMSAT LM 2178
QTH:  Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx)  USSVI LM   NRA LM   SBE ARRL TAPR
"It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds but the class
of the Amateur that holds the license"


From jeff30339 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 21:52:58 2019
From: jeff30339 at gmail.com (Jeff Johns)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 16:52:58 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] apparent bogus email
In-Reply-To: <a1833750-eefa-2ccf-39ae-79776c5ceca3@bellsouth.net>
References: <DDC55570B99D49F2B5635A63D0B23652@DHJ>
	<a1833750-eefa-2ccf-39ae-79776c5ceca3@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <03433B38-5BA0-40C8-8422-6330DAE7D6A7@gmail.com>

I never get any spam here and am appreciative of the AMSAT remailer. 

Jeff WE4B 

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> This is the reason that I quit using the AMSAT remailer.
> With spam running from bad to worst, the SA, at the time, refused to do anything to curtail?? the spam. Reason was to get all traffic to the end user without screening any.
> 
> 73
> Glenn
> WB4UIV
> 
>> On 8/21/2019 1:26 PM, n4csitwo--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> All,
>> Please be aware of some apparent bogus email that you may receive to your amsat.org email address. An email just popped into my inbox from "amsat.org Admin." saying I have 4 pending messages ...
>> At the bottom of the email it has ...
>> Copyright ?? 2019 amsat.org, Inc. All rights reserved. We are located at 2233 S. third St., San Jose, CA 95123.
>> 
>> I suggest you avoid opening this if you get one.
>> 
>> Dave, AA4KN
>> 
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> 
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Glenn Little                ARRL Technical Specialist   QCWA  LM 28417
> Amateur Callsign:  WB4UIV            wb4uiv at arrl.net    AMSAT LM 2178
> QTH:  Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx)  USSVI LM   NRA LM   SBE ARRL TAPR
> "It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds but the class
> of the Amateur that holds the license"
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From aj9n at aol.com  Wed Aug 21 22:22:40 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:22:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-21 22:00
	UTC
References: <650236331.364551.1566426160901.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <650236331.364551.1566426160901@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-21 22:00 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

The Children?s Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda, MD (CASIS#3), telebridge via VK4KHZ 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA 

Contact is now TBD (***) 

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-21 22:00 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-15 16:00 UTC. 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

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ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

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ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

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The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1327. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1270. 

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From ki7unj at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 22:47:52 2019
From: ki7unj at gmail.com (KI7UNJ Tucker)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:47:52 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] ADIF to gridmap program
In-Reply-To: <008501d55862$15579bc0$4006d340$@net>
References: <008501d55862$15579bc0$4006d340$@net>
Message-ID: <CAPFr_UkJuBxfcyr5k8+fqjMdbm+dDEcXLvqCC+qFKZbPc_jk-A@mail.gmail.com>

The one I have seen multiple people use is GCMWin...

The link is a guide on how to use it.
http://kd8ksn.blogspot.com/p/gcmwin-instructions.html


You can also use a Excel document if you are mostly worried about keeping
track of 488
https://ke4al.wordpress.com/2019/07/31/gridmaster-map-v2-3/

This just needs a copy and paste from your VUCC Awards page to display
worked grids.

Example of output = https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ/status/1160766752222879745



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:51 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> I've decided to try and work on my  Grids worked from this location. To do
> so I'm going to have to deal with the FM birds. I'm trying to keep this as
> painless as possible so I'm looking for an ADIF to gridsquare map program.
> A program that will input an ADIF file and map out what grids are needed
> and
> what are already worked graphically. A quick google shows there are several
> available, what one's are recommended ? Thanks for any useful input.
>
>
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
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From n4csitwo at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 21 23:27:12 2019
From: n4csitwo at bellsouth.net (n4csitwo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 19:27:12 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] =?iso-8859-1?q?_ARISS_CONTACT_UPDATE=3A__The_Children?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=27s_Inn_at_NIH_=28National_Institutes_of_Health=29?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=2C_Bethesda=2C_MD?=
Message-ID: <012522CB485E439488616C7E12BEC68B@DHJ>

The ARISS contact with The Children's Inn at NIH (National Institutes of Health), Bethesda, MD that was scheduled to take place tomorrow, Aug. 22 at 17:16 UTC has been postponed due to last minute scheduling issues. It is in the process of being rescheduled for a future week. We will post a new date for the contact once it becomes available.

Dave, AA4KN
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 01:34:24 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 18:34:24 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
Message-ID: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>

An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.

I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
happen to secure a grant for rental.

The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
order to support legacy radios.

You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
aggregator equipment does that part for you.

This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.

The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
internet.

What does this get us?

An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
with uplinks.

What do we not have?

A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.

That's where we're at with *this* proposal.

I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
figure out a lot of the ins and outs.

Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.

More soon!
-Michelle W5NYV

From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 01:51:46 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:51:46 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABsMmtRZqGUskngOK8t+DTwemX0iKkNgsXpK4=P5HYxMpR3C-w@mail.gmail.com>

MIchelle,

Every disaster drill I have ever done makes the assumption that the
Internet is *not* available.  Will this system work without Internet
access?  It could still be fun to play with and do proof of concept work
but absent the Internet might not be too useful in an emergency setting.

Please clarify.

John

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:38 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>
> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>
> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> order to support legacy radios.
>
> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>
> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>
> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> internet.
>
> What does this get us?
>
> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> with uplinks.
>
> What do we not have?
>
> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>
> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>
> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>
> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 01:59:38 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 18:59:38 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtRZqGUskngOK8t+DTwemX0iKkNgsXpK4=P5HYxMpR3C-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABsMmtRZqGUskngOK8t+DTwemX0iKkNgsXpK4=P5HYxMpR3C-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2W3XZd_S0q3TWC_76RGBei5SaU=z2AiQ=bt3oFirgPjMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it works without Internet access.

What goes up does come down over the entire footprint. No internet
required.

Streaming from a receiver somewhere over the Internet is just a nice
additional way to monitor it if you don't want to build your own Ku
receiver.

-Michelle W5NYV




On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:51 PM John Kludt <johnnykludt at gmail.com> wrote:

> MIchelle,
>
> Every disaster drill I have ever done makes the assumption that the
> Internet is *not* available.  Will this system work without Internet
> access?  It could still be fun to play with and do proof of concept work
> but absent the Internet might not be too useful in an emergency setting.
>
> Please clarify.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:38 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay
>> for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
>> deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>>
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>>
>> What does this get us?
>>
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
>> experience
>> with uplinks.
>>
>> What do we not have?
>>
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms
>> and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>

From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 22 02:05:08 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 02:05:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <818976570.1219284.1566439508286@mail.yahoo.com>

Very interesting idea!
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 06:38:04 PM PDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.

I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
happen to secure a grant for rental.

The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
order to support legacy radios.

You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
aggregator equipment does that part for you.

This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.

The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
internet.

What does this get us?

An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
with uplinks.

What do we not have?

A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.

That's where we're at with *this* proposal.

I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
figure out a lot of the ins and outs.

Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.

More soon!
-Michelle W5NYV
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
  

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 22 02:34:35 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 02:34:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <295111644.412214.1566441275801@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Michelle,
What a fascinating opportunity.? I'd like to try to describe this using different words to see if I get it.
Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to sell.
Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
To use it, an aggregator is needed.? An aggregator is a "bridge" device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.? It is the aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.

The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW, PSK31, etc.) modes.
Is this right?
Regards,Ev, W2EV

    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.

I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
happen to secure a grant for rental.

The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
order to support legacy radios.

You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
aggregator equipment does that part for you.

This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.

The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
internet.

What does this get us?

An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
with uplinks.

What do we not have?

A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.

That's where we're at with *this* proposal.

I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
figure out a lot of the ins and outs.

Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.

More soon!
-Michelle W5NYV
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
  

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 02:47:05 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:47:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <818976570.1219284.1566439508286@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
	<818976570.1219284.1566439508286@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <055ABEBB-8FF4-41DF-9FEA-CD99DEC762E9@gmail.com>

Hi Michelle,

This is absolutely wonderful !
1 MHz is ample for a start.
Say, 300 KHz for legacy ham radio modes, analog and digital (ala 40 M HF).
The rest for DATV (might be tight).

Please set up a Paypal account and link.
I will be your first contributor.

Now off to the shack bench to start building the ground station !
We are waiting for details.

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Robert MacHale via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Very interesting idea!
> Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License. http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs 
> . Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
> 
> 
> 
>    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 06:38:04 PM PDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
> 
> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> 
> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> happen to secure a grant for rental.
> 
> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> order to support legacy radios.
> 
> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> 
> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> 
> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> internet.
> 
> What does this get us?
> 
> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> with uplinks.
> 
> What do we not have?
> 
> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> 
> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> 
> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> 
> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> 
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 03:14:30 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:14:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Here we go...
ADALM Pluto receives up to 3.8 GHz

https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/evaluation-hardware-and-software/evaluation-boards-kits/adalm-pluto.html#eb-overview

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:02 PM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My Octagon quad LNB for direct reception:
> Input: 10.7 GHz to 12.75 GHz (possibly higher)
> L.O. : 9.75/10.6 GHz
> Excellent noise ratio up to 0.1 dB
> Gain: 60~65 dB
> High frequency stability.
> 
> Now... 12.75 GHz - 9.75 GHz (L.O.) = 3 GHz
> Looking for an SDR dongle that can receive at 3 GHz.
> Does this sound correct ?
> 
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>> 
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>> 
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>> 
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>> 
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>> 
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>> 
>> What does this get us?
>> 
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>> with uplinks.
>> 
>> What do we not have?
>> 
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>> 
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>> 
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>> 
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>> 
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From randydvm at iw.net  Thu Aug 22 03:55:35 2019
From: randydvm at iw.net (randydvm at iw.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 03:55:35 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wrong grid exchanged - ND0C/VE6 - 21 Aug
Message-ID: <2197cb4d5abcce4fefd3855311959324@iw.net>

While operating from grid DO30 as ND0C/VE6 today (21 Aug), I messed up 
and gave out the wrong grid (DN30) during the 1808Z AO-92 pass and the 
1815Z AO-91 pass.  I can only plead temporary insanity and ask 
forgiveness of all that I confused.  (I had been roving in DN38 for the 
previous several days and apparently couldn?t get out of the ?DN? rut!)

I was in DO30 for both of those passes as I was for the next AO-91 pass 
at 1948Z.  By that time I had recognized my mistake - to my horror - and 
correctly identified the grid!

So again, to the 16 stations I worked on those two passes, I apologize.  
I will up-load to LotW when I get back home on 1 September with the 
correct grid info!  (Thanks for your patience.)

I am now in DO21 for a couple days, catching a few passes in between 
family vacation activities.

73,
Randy, ND0C (roving as ND0C/VE6)

From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:25:45 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:25:45 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Ev,

But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the uplink is outside of the amateur bands.? So the aggregator must send everything to an earth station with a commercial license, correct?

Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once??

Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the commercial earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby decreasing the encomm utility of this effort.

Sancho

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Michelle,
> What a fascinating opportunity.? I'd like to try to describe this using different words to see if I get it.
> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to sell.
> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
> To use it, an aggregator is needed.? An aggregator is a "bridge" device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.? It is the aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
>
> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW, PSK31, etc.) modes.
> Is this right?
> Regards,Ev, W2EV
>
> ??? On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 
>
> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>
> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>
> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> order to support legacy radios.
>
> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>
> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>
> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> internet.
>
> What does this get us?
>
> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> with uplinks.
>
> What do we not have?
>
> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>
> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>
> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>
> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 22 11:38:13 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:38:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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 You're asking the wrong person, Sancho (lol).? I was restating Michelle's potentially very exciting opportunity using different words to see if I understood it.

Let's wait on her reply.? I haven't seen it yet.

Ev

    On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 7:29:09 AM EDT, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Ev,

But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the uplink is outside of the amateur bands.? So the aggregator must send everything to an earth station with a commercial license, correct?

Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once??

Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the commercial earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby decreasing the encomm utility of this effort.

Sancho

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Michelle,
> What a fascinating opportunity.? I'd like to try to describe this using different words to see if I get it.
> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to sell.
> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
> To use it, an aggregator is needed.? An aggregator is a "bridge" device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.? It is the aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
>
> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW, PSK31, etc.) modes.
> Is this right?
> Regards,Ev, W2EV
>
> ??? On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:? 
>
> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>
> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>
> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> order to support legacy radios.
>
> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>
> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>
> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> internet.
>
> What does this get us?
>
> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> with uplinks.
>
> What do we not have?
>
> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>
> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>
> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>
> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> ? 
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 12:36:00 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 05:36:00 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Many excellent questions and comments!

I wanted to get the update out before I left for desert camping. I?ll be
offline until 3rd September.

Uplink Requirements from Echostar have been outlined to me, but detailed
discussions on how independent we can get have not yet been held. Worst
case it?s their modem in an aggregator, multiple uplinks would have to been
carefully coordinated (or scheduled).

Good opportunity for some dynamic spectrum sharing or automation work.

It may be clunky starting out but ?gets the job done?; then we identify
improvements and implement them.

This is indeed much more restrictive than the ham-only 4B (Virginia Tech,
they have renewed their search for a launch) and Phase 4 Space (ORI, in
development and actively fundraising). But, this is a relatively
inexpensive way to test and learn a lot of new things.

We have 4 years until end of life of Echostar9. That is more than the
guaranteed mission time for WFOV ended up being at the end of that
rideshare offer. For an order of magnitude less money.

If there is a serious show stopper in here somewhere, then we fully
document and move on. There?s lots going on out there and you never know
when an opportunity might pop up. Huge thanks needs to go to the positive
and proactive ham that found this opportunity and pursued it. Doug Phelps
deserves the credit here.

I?m just here to remove roadblocks.

More in September! Very much looking forward to autumn.

-Michelle W5NYV

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 04:43 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>
>  You're asking the wrong person, Sancho (lol).  I was restating Michelle's
> potentially very exciting opportunity using different words to see if I
> understood it.
>
> Let's wait on her reply.  I haven't seen it yet.
>
> Ev
>
>     On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 7:29:09 AM EDT, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  Ev,
>
> But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the uplink is
> outside of the amateur bands.  So the aggregator must send everything to an
> earth station with a commercial license, correct?
>
> Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear
> transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once?
>
> Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the commercial
> earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby decreasing
> the encomm utility of this effort.
>
> Sancho
>
> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
> On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michelle,
> > What a fascinating opportunity.  I'd like to try to describe this using
> different words to see if I get it.
> > Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to sell.
> > Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
> > To use it, an aggregator is needed.  An aggregator is a "bridge" device
> that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite downlink
> RF to amateur-band RF.
> > Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.  It is the
> aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
> >
> > The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW,
> PSK31, etc.) modes.
> > Is this right?
> > Regards,Ev, W2EV
> >
> >     On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> > USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> >
> > I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay
> for
> > at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> > think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing
> to
> > provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> > happen to secure a grant for rental.
> >
> > The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
> deployment
> > of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> > Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> > gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to
> a
> > satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> > interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP
> in
> > order to support legacy radios.
> >
> > You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> > aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> >
> > This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> > communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> > ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> > sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> >
> > The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> > individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> > internet.
> >
> > What does this get us?
> >
> > An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
> experience
> > with uplinks.
> >
> > What do we not have?
> >
> > A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> > you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> >
> > That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> >
> > I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> > and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms
> and
> > figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> >
> > Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> >
> > More soon!
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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-- 
-Michelle W5NYV

"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 13:07:50 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 08:07:50 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Grrrr..
Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....

Here goes to the BB list again without pictures:

We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink nodes.
The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the satellite.
Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF distance constraints.
Still an Emcomm use here.

Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use Skype, like in the early days of remote HF station use.
Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
A R&D use here.

KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 7:01 AM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink nodes.
> The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the satellite.
> Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF distance constraints.
> Still an Emcomm use here.
> 
> Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use Skype, like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
> A R&D use here.
> Like this :
> <image1.PNG>
> 
> 
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 6:25 AM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Ev,
>> 
>> But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the uplink is outside of the amateur bands.  So the aggregator must send everything to an earth station with a commercial license, correct?
>> 
>> Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once? 
>> 
>> Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the commercial earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby decreasing the encomm utility of this effort.
>> 
>> Sancho
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
>>> On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>> What a fascinating opportunity.  I'd like to try to describe this using different words to see if I get it.
>>> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to sell.
>>> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
>>> To use it, an aggregator is needed.  An aggregator is a "bridge" device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
>>> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.  It is the aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
>>> 
>>> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW, PSK31, etc.) modes.
>>> Is this right?
>>> Regards,Ev, W2EV
>>> 
>>>    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
>>> 
>>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>> 
>>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>> 
>>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>>> order to support legacy radios.
>>> 
>>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>> 
>>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>> 
>>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>> internet.
>>> 
>>> What does this get us?
>>> 
>>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>>> with uplinks.
>>> 
>>> What do we not have?
>>> 
>>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>> 
>>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>> 
>>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>> 
>>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>> 
>>> More soon!
>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From cchunter3 at mindspring.com  Thu Aug 22 14:42:24 2019
From: cchunter3 at mindspring.com (christy hunter)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:42:24 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wrong grid exchanged - ND0C/VE6 - 21 Aug
In-Reply-To: <2197cb4d5abcce4fefd3855311959324@iw.net>
References: <2197cb4d5abcce4fefd3855311959324@iw.net>
Message-ID: <24f03f12-80b9-d6a2-25af-e532c518b28d@mindspring.com>

Randy, don't stress out, as long as you're having fun. Thanks for 
roving! its much appreciated.

73 Christy KB6LTY


From peter at magicbug.co.uk  Thu Aug 22 15:04:20 2019
From: peter at magicbug.co.uk (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:04:20 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Michelle,

Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
could just go rent some transponder space.

I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
coverage.

By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)

I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
over 4 years.

Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.

Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
QO-100 footprint.

Peter, 2M0SQL

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>
> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>
> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> order to support legacy radios.
>
> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>
> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>
> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> internet.
>
> What does this get us?
>
> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> with uplinks.
>
> What do we not have?
>
> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>
> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>
> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>
> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From dave at druidnetworks.com  Thu Aug 22 15:16:47 2019
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:16:47 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
	<5D24365F-605B-41AF-998D-ACF1DAA6961B@gmail.com>
	<33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANq+eyWaP+4JeeLpjAZiKiydoFFxRqWW50=MZVRBPf_MgNr6AA@mail.gmail.com>

The 'last mile' segment in this proposal is amateur spectrum yes, but that
segment could also very easily be commercial or public safety spectrum as
well. Heck, with a meg of bandwidth at 10g+ on your 'backbone' you could
very easily establish a somewhat respectable packet link and then just have
your "Aggregator" be nothing more than a wifi hotspot, which opens up all
sorts of communication applications beyond simple push button HTs. If
you're truly looking at this from an EMCOMM perspective, then the primary
goal of the ESF-2 annex is 'communications infrastructure restoration' -
which is ranked higher than 'tactical communications' anyway. Why screw
with sending people with their HT's out to act as relays, when a pelican
case with a dish and a Linksys can get everyone back on the net in 5
minutes?

Therefore, I'm confused on why this is being brought up here other than
solicitation by folks who wear multiple hats. There is precisely zero
benefit to AMSAT or ARRL getting involved, and committing their scarce
resources to a project that won't benefit amateurs. No contact made thru
this proposed method will be a valid 'qso' for folks interested in that
sort of thing. No expertise or engineering will be required of the 'users'
of the system, other than to tune their device to whatever frequency the
Aggregator builders require of them. The only folks that would benefit from
such a proposal are the aggregator builders themselves, and possibly the
public - and I say possibly because commercial systems like your proposal
already exist and are in common use by organizations that respond to
disasters. For 60 bucks a week I can rent a basic Inmarsat turn key
solution, take it anywhere on the planet, and let any of the workers I'm
supporting send and receive emails while I do something productive towards
saving lives instead of mashing my PTT button 23 hours a day.

The idea is cool, but only from the perspective of the people getting to
build it. For those us who've actually been in the shit trying to help
re-establish comms after a real disaster, we've all learned once the cell
phones and internet comes back online, no one gives a crap about our
radios. The moment the Verizon truck rolls up with the 3m dish and portable
tower trailer, our work is done. The *real* use for Ham in disasters these
days is the basic idea that our gear can establish communications without
some sort of proprietary middle-hardware needed. Don't believe me? I'd be
happy to send you my graduate research paper on DPEM Applications of
Geo-Synchronous Satellites I did a few years back. There are applications
for our hobby in disasters, find some spectrum to rent on a Geo-bird that I
(or some ham in the mountains of western Puerto Rico) can use directly and
I'll be the first one to donate. Until then, for 24k a year AMSAT could
probably launch another pair of Fox's that would be *actual* amateur
satellites.

-Dave, KG5CCI



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:13 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Grrrr..
> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>
> Here goes to the BB list again without pictures:
>
> We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink
> nodes.
> The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the satellite.
> Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF distance
> constraints.
> Still an Emcomm use here.
>
> Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into the
> aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use Skype,
> like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb
> remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
> A R&D use here.
>
> KC9SGV
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 7:01 AM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink
> nodes.
> > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the satellite.
> > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF
> distance constraints.
> > Still an Emcomm use here.
> >
> > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into
> the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use Skype,
> like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb
> remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
> > A R&D use here.
> > Like this :
> > <image1.PNG>
> >
> >
> > Bernard,
> > KC9SGV
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 6:25 AM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ev,
> >>
> >> But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the uplink
> is outside of the amateur bands.  So the aggregator must send everything to
> an earth station with a commercial license, correct?
> >>
> >> Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear
> transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once?
> >>
> >> Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the commercial
> earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby decreasing
> the encomm utility of this effort.
> >>
> >> Sancho
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
> >>> On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Michelle,
> >>> What a fascinating opportunity.  I'd like to try to describe this
> using different words to see if I get it.
> >>> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to
> sell.
> >>> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
> >>> To use it, an aggregator is needed.  An aggregator is a "bridge"
> device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite
> downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
> >>> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.  It is the
> aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
> >>>
> >>> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW,
> PSK31, etc.) modes.
> >>> Is this right?
> >>> Regards,Ev, W2EV
> >>>
> >>>    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson
> via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> >>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> >>>
> >>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to
> pay for
> >>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> >>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm
> willing to
> >>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> >>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
> >>>
> >>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
> deployment
> >>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur
> Radio
> >>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or
> analog
> >>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent
> to a
> >>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> >>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an
> ARAP in
> >>> order to support legacy radios.
> >>>
> >>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> >>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> >>>
> >>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> >>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross,
> motivated
> >>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> >>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> >>>
> >>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> >>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over
> the
> >>> internet.
> >>>
> >>> What does this get us?
> >>>
> >>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
> experience
> >>> with uplinks.
> >>>
> >>> What do we not have?
> >>>
> >>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself,
> or
> >>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> >>>
> >>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> >>>
> >>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy,
> test,
> >>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO
> comms and
> >>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> >>>
> >>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> >>>
> >>> More soon!
> >>> -Michelle W5NYV
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 15:17:08 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:17:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
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Echostar 9
Here she is:
32 FSS transponders in the Ku band.
120 Watt...

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/echostar-9.htm

KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> 
> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> happen to secure a grant for rental.
> 
> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> order to support legacy radios.
> 
> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> 
> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> 
> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> internet.
> 
> What does this get us?
> 
> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> with uplinks.
> 
> What do we not have?
> 
> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> 
> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> 
> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> 
> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> 
> More soon!
> -Michelle W5NYV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From diehl.mike.a at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 15:27:08 2019
From: diehl.mike.a at gmail.com (Mike Diehl)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:27:08 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <787BAC97-1503-4186-A944-9769FCC273E0@gmail.com>

I had similar thoughts as well, Peter. I would also like to point out that we are always at risk of losing our spectrum to commercial interests because we?re not using it. It seems counterproductive to turn around and rent bandwidth on commercial bands further justifying their need to take our bands. 

73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID 

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:12, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Michelle,
> 
> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
> could just go rent some transponder space.
> 
> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
> coverage.
> 
> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
> 
> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
> over 4 years.
> 
> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
> 
> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
> QO-100 footprint.
> 
> Peter, 2M0SQL
> 
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>> 
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>> 
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>> 
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>> 
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>> 
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>> 
>> What does this get us?
>> 
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>> with uplinks.
>> 
>> What do we not have?
>> 
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>> 
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>> 
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>> 
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>> 
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From n1uw at gokarns.com  Thu Aug 22 15:27:52 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:27:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] apparent bogus email
In-Reply-To: <03433B38-5BA0-40C8-8422-6330DAE7D6A7@gmail.com>
References: <DDC55570B99D49F2B5635A63D0B23652@DHJ>	<a1833750-eefa-2ccf-39ae-79776c5ceca3@bellsouth.net>
	<03433B38-5BA0-40C8-8422-6330DAE7D6A7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01d558fe$2a114510$7e33cf30$@gokarns.com>

I never got it.  I never get spam from the BB.  That email obviously
came from somewhere else.

Cheers,
Frank

FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
Johns via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:53 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] apparent bogus email

I never get any spam here and am appreciative of the AMSAT remailer. 

Jeff WE4B 

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> This is the reason that I quit using the AMSAT remailer.
> With spam running from bad to worst, the SA, at the time, refused to
do anything to curtail?? the spam. Reason was to get all traffic to
the end user without screening any.
> 
> 73
> Glenn
> WB4UIV
> 
>> On 8/21/2019 1:26 PM, n4csitwo--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> All,
>> Please be aware of some apparent bogus email that you may receive
to your amsat.org email address. An email just popped into my inbox
from "amsat.org Admin." saying I have 4 pending messages ...
>> At the bottom of the email it has ...
>> Copyright ?? 2019 amsat.org, Inc. All rights reserved. We are
located at 2233 S. third St., San Jose, CA 95123.
>> 
>> I suggest you avoid opening this if you get one.
>> 
>> Dave, AA4KN
>> 
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus
software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
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program!
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> 
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>
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28417
> Amateur Callsign:  WB4UIV            wb4uiv at arrl.net    AMSAT LM
2178
> QTH:  Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx)  USSVI LM   NRA LM   SBE ARRL
TAPR
> "It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds but the class
> of the Amateur that holds the license"
> 
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From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 15:36:35 2019
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:36:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
	<5D24365F-605B-41AF-998D-ACF1DAA6961B@gmail.com>
	<33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d5eb683.1c69fb81.f4667.272b@mx.google.com>

> Grrrr..
> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....

A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain e-mail
list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing to
figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has 2425
e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.

Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:

AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
likes of the page).

AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.




From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 15:43:13 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 08:43:13 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CANq+eyWaP+4JeeLpjAZiKiydoFFxRqWW50=MZVRBPf_MgNr6AA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
	<5D24365F-605B-41AF-998D-ACF1DAA6961B@gmail.com>
	<33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
	<CANq+eyWaP+4JeeLpjAZiKiydoFFxRqWW50=MZVRBPf_MgNr6AA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2UsJpBg6bObohH9tuHHenCwNsRvqgBLO37o_TCtgDJUJg@mail.gmail.com>

The idea originally came from FEMA and ARRL. It has been presented at
Symposium at least twice.

As a former EMT, I have used a variety emergency communications equipment
for drills and duty. I got all the ICS certifications and listened to lots
and lots of schemes, proposals, and marketing from all the usual suspects,
went to classes for CEUs where strange things were recommended that would
never work, and did things that were essentially hacks with equipment that
should have been retired before I was born. My views on emcomm are
conservative and largely immaterial. If FEMA is interested in this, then
finding out if it works is worth my time.

No AMSAT resources (e.g. money) are being asked for or are needed for this.
It can only help AMSAT if it works, but if it doesn't, there's no harm done
to the club. We're supposed to experiment and advance the radio arts. We
need to understand what it means to rent transponder space.

When companies that are motivated to support amateur radio step up and do,
the least we can do is listen, weigh, consider, and take them up on it if
it looks like it would result in something positive. I believe this is one
of those opportunities, and I'm willing to do the due diligence and see how
far we can get.

In short, It is both/and, not either/or.

-Michelle W5NYV





On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:22 AM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The 'last mile' segment in this proposal is amateur spectrum yes, but that
> segment could also very easily be commercial or public safety spectrum as
> well. Heck, with a meg of bandwidth at 10g+ on your 'backbone' you could
> very easily establish a somewhat respectable packet link and then just have
> your "Aggregator" be nothing more than a wifi hotspot, which opens up all
> sorts of communication applications beyond simple push button HTs. If
> you're truly looking at this from an EMCOMM perspective, then the primary
> goal of the ESF-2 annex is 'communications infrastructure restoration' -
> which is ranked higher than 'tactical communications' anyway. Why screw
> with sending people with their HT's out to act as relays, when a pelican
> case with a dish and a Linksys can get everyone back on the net in 5
> minutes?
>
> Therefore, I'm confused on why this is being brought up here other than
> solicitation by folks who wear multiple hats. There is precisely zero
> benefit to AMSAT or ARRL getting involved, and committing their scarce
> resources to a project that won't benefit amateurs. No contact made thru
> this proposed method will be a valid 'qso' for folks interested in that
> sort of thing. No expertise or engineering will be required of the 'users'
> of the system, other than to tune their device to whatever frequency the
> Aggregator builders require of them. The only folks that would benefit from
> such a proposal are the aggregator builders themselves, and possibly the
> public - and I say possibly because commercial systems like your proposal
> already exist and are in common use by organizations that respond to
> disasters. For 60 bucks a week I can rent a basic Inmarsat turn key
> solution, take it anywhere on the planet, and let any of the workers I'm
> supporting send and receive emails while I do something productive towards
> saving lives instead of mashing my PTT button 23 hours a day.
>
> The idea is cool, but only from the perspective of the people getting to
> build it. For those us who've actually been in the shit trying to help
> re-establish comms after a real disaster, we've all learned once the cell
> phones and internet comes back online, no one gives a crap about our
> radios. The moment the Verizon truck rolls up with the 3m dish and portable
> tower trailer, our work is done. The *real* use for Ham in disasters these
> days is the basic idea that our gear can establish communications without
> some sort of proprietary middle-hardware needed. Don't believe me? I'd be
> happy to send you my graduate research paper on DPEM Applications of
> Geo-Synchronous Satellites I did a few years back. There are applications
> for our hobby in disasters, find some spectrum to rent on a Geo-bird that I
> (or some ham in the mountains of western Puerto Rico) can use directly and
> I'll be the first one to donate. Until then, for 24k a year AMSAT could
> probably launch another pair of Fox's that would be *actual* amateur
> satellites.
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:13 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Grrrr..
> > Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> > We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
> >
> > Here goes to the BB list again without pictures:
> >
> > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink
> > nodes.
> > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the satellite.
> > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF distance
> > constraints.
> > Still an Emcomm use here.
> >
> > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into the
> > aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use Skype,
> > like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb
> > remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
> > A R&D use here.
> >
> > KC9SGV
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 7:01 AM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink
> > nodes.
> > > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the
> satellite.
> > > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF
> > distance constraints.
> > > Still an Emcomm use here.
> > >
> > > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into
> > the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use
> Skype,
> > like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> > > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb
> > remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
> > > A R&D use here.
> > > Like this :
> > > <image1.PNG>
> > >
> > >
> > > Bernard,
> > > KC9SGV
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 6:25 AM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ev,
> > >>
> > >> But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the
> uplink
> > is outside of the amateur bands.  So the aggregator must send everything
> to
> > an earth station with a commercial license, correct?
> > >>
> > >> Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear
> > transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once?
> > >>
> > >> Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the
> commercial
> > earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby
> decreasing
> > the encomm utility of this effort.
> > >>
> > >> Sancho
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
> > >>> On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Michelle,
> > >>> What a fascinating opportunity.  I'd like to try to describe this
> > using different words to see if I get it.
> > >>> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to
> > sell.
> > >>> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
> > >>> To use it, an aggregator is needed.  An aggregator is a "bridge"
> > device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and setellite
> > downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
> > >>> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.  It is the
> > aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
> > >>>
> > >>> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW,
> > PSK31, etc.) modes.
> > >>> Is this right?
> > >>> Regards,Ev, W2EV
> > >>>
> > >>>    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson
> > via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years
> of
> > >>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to
> > pay for
> > >>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already.
> I
> > >>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm
> > willing to
> > >>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs
> to
> > >>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
> > >>>
> > >>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
> > deployment
> > >>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur
> > Radio
> > >>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or
> > analog
> > >>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent
> > to a
> > >>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> > >>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an
> > ARAP in
> > >>> order to support legacy radios.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> > >>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications.
> A
> > >>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross,
> > motivated
> > >>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears
> is
> > >>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> > >>>
> > >>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> > >>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over
> > the
> > >>> internet.
> > >>>
> > >>> What does this get us?
> > >>>
> > >>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
> > experience
> > >>> with uplinks.
> > >>>
> > >>> What do we not have?
> > >>>
> > >>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink
> yourself,
> > or
> > >>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> > >>>
> > >>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy,
> > test,
> > >>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO
> > comms and
> > >>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> > >>>
> > >>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> > >>>
> > >>> More soon!
> > >>> -Michelle W5NYV
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> > of AMSAT-NA.
> > >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
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> available
> > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From nss at mwt.net  Thu Aug 22 15:44:30 2019
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:44:30 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>

There is that Geo bird over Africa.

I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.

When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the 
different modes and coverage.

But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what 
the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness 
has worn off.

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi Michelle,
>
> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
> could just go rent some transponder space.
>
> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
> coverage.
>
> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>
> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
> over 4 years.
>
> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
>
> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
> QO-100 footprint.
>
> Peter, 2M0SQL
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>>
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>>
>> What does this get us?
>>
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>> with uplinks.
>>
>> What do we not have?
>>
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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>


From n1uw at gokarns.com  Thu Aug 22 15:58:21 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:58:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for Students program funded.

A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging equipment on the ISS.  After eight months, the amateur radio community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.

Pleases see

https://fundrazr.com/arissnextgen

Thank you for your consideration.

Cheers,
Frank

FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mike Diehl via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:27 AM
To: peter at 2m0sql.com; Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US

I had similar thoughts as well, Peter. I would also like to point out that we are always at risk of losing our spectrum to commercial interests because we?re not using it. It seems counterproductive to turn around and rent bandwidth on commercial bands further justifying their need to take our bands. 

73,
Mike Diehl
W8LID/VE6LID 

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:12, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Michelle,
> 
> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
> could just go rent some transponder space.
> 
> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
> coverage.
> 
> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
> 
> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
> over 4 years.
> 
> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
> 
> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
> QO-100 footprint.
> 
> Peter, 2M0SQL
> 
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>> 
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>> 
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>> 
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>> 
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>> 
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>> 
>> What does this get us?
>> 
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>> with uplinks.
>> 
>> What do we not have?
>> 
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>> 
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>> 
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>> 
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>> 
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
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From dave at druidnetworks.com  Thu Aug 22 16:12:03 2019
From: dave at druidnetworks.com (David Swanson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:12:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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I would be interested to see these proposals from the ARRL for Amateurs
renting commercial Spectrum. I believe FEMA would have an interest as they
don't care about the source of their support, but I have a very hard time
believing the ARRL would support such a scheme for a number of reasons
others have already mentioned.  Back to FEMA though, I've applied for
research grants thru the Dept. of Homeland Security Science and Technology
directorate, which is where you'll get referred to if you approach FEMA for
money. Based on my experience they would likely support such a proposal,
but since you're making this proposal as a citizen scientist and not a ham,
you're going to need to focus on making your last mile usable by everyone.
Please by all means continue to research and see where it leads however
this is not amateur radio, you're just playing with RF on your own accord.
If you want suggestions or some names on approaching DHS-ST Despite your
claim 'no amsat resources are being asked for' You have approached this
mailing list with a price and hype trying to convince folks this would be
our own QO-100 over North America when it is certainly not. Have
discussions, talk to folks, see if you can find some funding but be honest
about what you're pitching.

In short, this is playing around with electronics. It is probably
interesting to some folks on this list, but it is NOT Amateur Radio in any
way shape or form. Please stop trying to pass it off as such.

-Dave, KG5CCI

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM Michelle Thompson <
mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:

> The idea originally came from FEMA and ARRL. It has been presented at
> Symposium at least twice.
>
> As a former EMT, I have used a variety emergency communications equipment
> for drills and duty. I got all the ICS certifications and listened to lots
> and lots of schemes, proposals, and marketing from all the usual suspects,
> went to classes for CEUs where strange things were recommended that would
> never work, and did things that were essentially hacks with equipment that
> should have been retired before I was born. My views on emcomm are
> conservative and largely immaterial. If FEMA is interested in this, then
> finding out if it works is worth my time.
>
> No AMSAT resources (e.g. money) are being asked for or are needed for
> this. It can only help AMSAT if it works, but if it doesn't, there's no
> harm done to the club. We're supposed to experiment and advance the radio
> arts. We need to understand what it means to rent transponder space.
>
> When companies that are motivated to support amateur radio step up and do,
> the least we can do is listen, weigh, consider, and take them up on it if
> it looks like it would result in something positive. I believe this is one
> of those opportunities, and I'm willing to do the due diligence and see how
> far we can get.
>
> In short, It is both/and, not either/or.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:22 AM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> The 'last mile' segment in this proposal is amateur spectrum yes, but that
>> segment could also very easily be commercial or public safety spectrum as
>> well. Heck, with a meg of bandwidth at 10g+ on your 'backbone' you could
>> very easily establish a somewhat respectable packet link and then just
>> have
>> your "Aggregator" be nothing more than a wifi hotspot, which opens up all
>> sorts of communication applications beyond simple push button HTs. If
>> you're truly looking at this from an EMCOMM perspective, then the primary
>> goal of the ESF-2 annex is 'communications infrastructure restoration' -
>> which is ranked higher than 'tactical communications' anyway. Why screw
>> with sending people with their HT's out to act as relays, when a pelican
>> case with a dish and a Linksys can get everyone back on the net in 5
>> minutes?
>>
>> Therefore, I'm confused on why this is being brought up here other than
>> solicitation by folks who wear multiple hats. There is precisely zero
>> benefit to AMSAT or ARRL getting involved, and committing their scarce
>> resources to a project that won't benefit amateurs. No contact made thru
>> this proposed method will be a valid 'qso' for folks interested in that
>> sort of thing. No expertise or engineering will be required of the 'users'
>> of the system, other than to tune their device to whatever frequency the
>> Aggregator builders require of them. The only folks that would benefit
>> from
>> such a proposal are the aggregator builders themselves, and possibly the
>> public - and I say possibly because commercial systems like your proposal
>> already exist and are in common use by organizations that respond to
>> disasters. For 60 bucks a week I can rent a basic Inmarsat turn key
>> solution, take it anywhere on the planet, and let any of the workers I'm
>> supporting send and receive emails while I do something productive towards
>> saving lives instead of mashing my PTT button 23 hours a day.
>>
>> The idea is cool, but only from the perspective of the people getting to
>> build it. For those us who've actually been in the shit trying to help
>> re-establish comms after a real disaster, we've all learned once the cell
>> phones and internet comes back online, no one gives a crap about our
>> radios. The moment the Verizon truck rolls up with the 3m dish and
>> portable
>> tower trailer, our work is done. The *real* use for Ham in disasters these
>> days is the basic idea that our gear can establish communications without
>> some sort of proprietary middle-hardware needed. Don't believe me? I'd be
>> happy to send you my graduate research paper on DPEM Applications of
>> Geo-Synchronous Satellites I did a few years back. There are applications
>> for our hobby in disasters, find some spectrum to rent on a Geo-bird that
>> I
>> (or some ham in the mountains of western Puerto Rico) can use directly and
>> I'll be the first one to donate. Until then, for 24k a year AMSAT could
>> probably launch another pair of Fox's that would be *actual* amateur
>> satellites.
>>
>> -Dave, KG5CCI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:13 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Grrrr..
>> > Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
>> > We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>> >
>> > Here goes to the BB list again without pictures:
>> >
>> > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink
>> > nodes.
>> > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the
>> satellite.
>> > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF
>> distance
>> > constraints.
>> > Still an Emcomm use here.
>> >
>> > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into
>> the
>> > aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use Skype,
>> > like in the early days of remote HF station use.
>> > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb
>> > remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
>> > A R&D use here.
>> >
>> > KC9SGV
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 7:01 AM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into Echolink
>> > nodes.
>> > > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the
>> satellite.
>> > > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF
>> > distance constraints.
>> > > Still an Emcomm use here.
>> > >
>> > > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go into
>> > the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use
>> Skype,
>> > like in the early days of remote HF station use.
>> > > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free RCForb
>> > remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
>> > > A R&D use here.
>> > > Like this :
>> > > <image1.PNG>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bernard,
>> > > KC9SGV
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPad
>> > >
>> > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 6:25 AM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <
>> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Ev,
>> > >>
>> > >> But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the
>> uplink
>> > is outside of the amateur bands.  So the aggregator must send
>> everything to
>> > an earth station with a commercial license, correct?
>> > >>
>> > >> Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear
>> > transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once?
>> > >>
>> > >> Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the
>> commercial
>> > earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby
>> decreasing
>> > the encomm utility of this effort.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sancho
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
>> > >>> On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi Michelle,
>> > >>> What a fascinating opportunity.  I'd like to try to describe this
>> > using different words to see if I get it.
>> > >>> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum to
>> > sell.
>> > >>> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
>> > >>> To use it, an aggregator is needed.  An aggregator is a "bridge"
>> > device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and
>> setellite
>> > downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
>> > >>> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.  It is the
>> > aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB, CW,
>> > PSK31, etc.) modes.
>> > >>> Is this right?
>> > >>> Regards,Ev, W2EV
>> > >>>
>> > >>>    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson
>> > via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years
>> of
>> > >>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to
>> > pay for
>> > >>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback
>> already. I
>> > >>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm
>> > willing to
>> > >>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs
>> to
>> > >>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
>> > deployment
>> > >>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur
>> > Radio
>> > >>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or
>> > analog
>> > >>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then
>> sent
>> > to a
>> > >>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> > >>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an
>> > ARAP in
>> > >>> order to support legacy radios.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> > >>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> This is most useful for public service and emergency
>> communications. A
>> > >>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross,
>> > motivated
>> > >>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it
>> hears is
>> > >>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> > >>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated
>> over
>> > the
>> > >>> internet.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> What does this get us?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
>> > experience
>> > >>> with uplinks.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> What do we not have?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink
>> yourself,
>> > or
>> > >>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy,
>> > test,
>> > >>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO
>> > comms and
>> > >>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> More soon!
>> > >>> -Michelle W5NYV
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>> > >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions expressed
>> > >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> views
>> > of AMSAT-NA.
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 16:15:01 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:15:01 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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I personally don't like using amateur radio infrastructure that
partially depends on the internet, but there are a lot of hams that
don't care and think it's quite cool. Look at Echolink and IRLP, which
have been around for a long time. I believe the newer DMR and D-Star
protocols have internet capability too, and they seem to be even more
popular than Echolink ever was.

I don't know about the cost, but if this was made available to hams
I'm sure there would be a lot of people interested because a lot of
people find it exciting to hear their voice relayed from space. Maybe
people that find manual LEO tracking too difficult would try this
instead. Also, I know when QO-100 came online I heard that a lot of
former HEO sat ops who were no longer active started cropping up on
its passband.

I do see the argument that it could be good practice for a future all
ham band GEO sat. Actually, there are a lot of people on QO-100 who
uplink directly but use WebSDR to receive the downlink. I imagine they
eventually want to do it all RF, I sure would, but that proves that it
is good practice. This proposal may not have a downlink in ham bands
but that personally wouldn't bother me, as long as I get to hear my
signal come down over RF. Lots of hams are into SWL outside of ham
bands for the same reason they are interested in RF on ham bands.

Just having a GEO sat we could use, even if it doesn't use much ham
infrastructure, could drive interest for a full ham GEO sat.

Also, absolutist arguments, whether hyperbole or not, are usually
wrong and often unhelpful.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:28 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Echostar 9
> Here she is:
> 32 FSS transponders in the Ku band.
> 120 Watt...
>
> https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/echostar-9.htm
>
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> > USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> >
> > I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> > at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> > think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> > provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> > happen to secure a grant for rental.
> >
> > The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> > of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> > Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> > gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> > satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> > interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> > order to support legacy radios.
> >
> > You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> > aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> >
> > This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> > communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> > ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> > sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> >
> > The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> > individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> > internet.
> >
> > What does this get us?
> >
> > An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> > with uplinks.
> >
> > What do we not have?
> >
> > A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> > you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> >
> > That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> >
> > I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> > and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> > figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> >
> > Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> >
> > More soon!
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From nss at mwt.net  Thu Aug 22 16:18:05 2019
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:18:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CAFvUairwS42qkn=Kpod5aR3mSBkf2cOEkrQ8tHAoG521s16CUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
	<CAFvUairwS42qkn=Kpod5aR3mSBkf2cOEkrQ8tHAoG521s16CUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <569e3511-7d78-eb67-4427-cb6dce8a0fc2@mwt.net>

Yup that's it, and it's still very busy!

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/22/2019 10:58 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Your referring to QO-100 the websdr can be found at 
> https://eshail.batc.org.uk/
>
> 73,
>
> Peter, 2M0SQL
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:44, Joe <nss at mwt.net <mailto:nss at mwt.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>     There is that Geo bird over Africa.
>
>     I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird
>     passband.
>
>     When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all
>     the different modes and coverage.
>
>     But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see
>     what the activity level is now like since it is much older and the
>     newness has worn off.
>
>     Joe WB9SBD
>
>     The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>     Idle Tyme
>     Idle-Tyme.com
>     http://www.idle-tyme.com
>     On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>     Hi Michelle,
>>
>>     Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
>>     sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
>>     satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
>>     the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
>>     discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
>>     could just go rent some transponder space.
>>
>>     I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
>>     something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
>>     this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
>>     have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
>>     although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
>>     coverage.
>>
>>     By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
>>     into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
>>     to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
>>     spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>>
>>     I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
>>     really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
>>     over 4 years.
>>
>>     Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
>>
>>     Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
>>     QO-100 footprint.
>>
>>     Peter, 2M0SQL
>>
>>     On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>>     <amsat-bb at amsat.org>  <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>  wrote:
>>>     An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>>     USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>>
>>>     I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>>>     at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>>     think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>>>     provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>>     happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>>
>>>     The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>>>     of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>>     Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>>     gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>>>     satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>>     interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>>>     order to support legacy radios.
>>>
>>>     You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>>     aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>>
>>>     This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>>     communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>>     ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>>     sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>>
>>>     The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>>     individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>>     internet.
>>>
>>>     What does this get us?
>>>
>>>     An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>>>     with uplinks.
>>>
>>>     What do we not have?
>>>
>>>     A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>>     you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>>
>>>     That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>>
>>>     I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>>     and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>>>     figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>>
>>>     Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>>
>>>     More soon!
>>>     -Michelle W5NYV
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Sent viaAMSAT-BB at amsat.org  <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>     to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>>     are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>>     Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>>     Subscription settings:https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Sent viaAMSAT-BB at amsat.org  <mailto:AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>     to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>     are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>     Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>     Subscription settings:https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>


From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 22 16:19:43 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:19:43 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WnF5MPuDSNsd9Qrk=4+=f5C6wNwze8KGagXqNafzQnew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
	<1888196485.498050.1566473839144@mail.yahoo.com>
	<550458558.478402.1566473893749@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CACvjz2WnF5MPuDSNsd9Qrk=4+=f5C6wNwze8KGagXqNafzQnew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97dc8e93-3a77-445f-7b39-ce14d3e43f92@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-22 07:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Uplink Requirements from Echostar have been outlined to me, but detailed
> discussions on how independent we can get have not yet been held. Worst
> case it?s their modem in an aggregator, multiple uplinks would have to been
> carefully coordinated (or scheduled).

I've done some thinking on this, and I don't think it is something that 
Amateur Radio funds should be spent on. Others have made similar 
arguments, and here are mine.

> This is indeed much more restrictive than the ham-only 4B (Virginia Tech,
> they have renewed their search for a launch) and Phase 4 Space (ORI, in
> development and actively fundraising). But, this is a relatively
> inexpensive way to test and learn a lot of new things.

I don't see that the Amateur Radio community learns anything from this 
exercise that couldn't be done with a ground-based system on our own 
bands. There is no Doppler correction to be done, and path loss can be 
simulated with attenuation and/or lower power operation. Most of the 
link is hidden from the operator, and the underlying information 
encoding is ridiculously complex, far more than is required for a KISS 
EMCOMM system.

> We have 4 years until end of life of Echostar9. That is more than the
> guaranteed mission time for WFOV ended up being at the end of that
> rideshare offer. For an order of magnitude less money.

But how could that $96,000, over 4 years, benefit the AMSAT mission of 
Greater Orbit Larger Footprint? I think quite a bit, but I'm biased:

De-orbit devices, required for the GOLF missions, are expensive, and 
testing facility fees need to be paid before launch. How about research 
into amateur-developed cold gas or hybrid oxidizer thrusters?

Development of a complementary ground "package" which could get 
prospective new satellite operators on the air for (pick a number -- I'm 
guessing < $200). Might not be a contest station, but would provide the 
early success to kindle interest in this aspect of the hobby.

> If there is a serious show stopper in here somewhere, then we fully
> document and move on. 

As others have noted, we are now a stop-gap in EMCOMM. We have plenty of 
1st responders in our current society, but education and learning the 
technology has fallen by the wayside. Before long, no-one will know how 
to make the machines work anymore.[1] If we want to keep Amateur Radio 
relevant, we should focus on an under-served area that was part of our 
founding principles:

"(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to 
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules 
which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and 
technical phases of the art.

(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service 
of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts."

We're sorely lacking in these areas, as evidenced by the plethora of new 
licensees who only know how to press the PTT on an FM rig. Real 
knowledge takes an investment of time and mentoring from those who have 
gone before. I do not see that your proposal encourages a new ham to 
build a microwave antenna, develop receivers and transmitters for our 
sparsely-used microwave bands, or debug why they can't hear or be heard 
on an amateur bird.

Sincerely,

--- Zach
N0ZGO

[1] ST:TOS "The Cage"

From joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 16:44:26 2019
From: joanne.k9jkm at gmail.com (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:44:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <5d5ec669.1c69fb81.72ec6.6ea7@mx.google.com>

> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what
> the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness
> has worn off.

Try https://eshail.batc.org.uk/

--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat.org




From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 16:48:41 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:48:41 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <CALn0fKNQoeaZKNjp42m+1DDgkcBzOjGD3-7VC_y6L6h3ixyBYw@mail.gmail.com>

https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/

They have a wideband webSDR too now which I hadn't seen yet:
https://eshail.batc.org.uk/wb/

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:40 PM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> There is that Geo bird over Africa.
>
> I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.
>
> When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the
> different modes and coverage.
>
> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what
> the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness
> has worn off.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
> On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Hi Michelle,
> >
> > Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
> > sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
> > satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
> > the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
> > discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
> > could just go rent some transponder space.
> >
> > I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
> > something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
> > this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
> > have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
> > although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
> > coverage.
> >
> > By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
> > into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
> > to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
> > spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
> >
> > I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
> > really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
> > over 4 years.
> >
> > Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
> >
> > Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
> > QO-100 footprint.
> >
> > Peter, 2M0SQL
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
> > <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
> >> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> >>
> >> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
> >> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
> >> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
> >> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
> >> happen to secure a grant for rental.
> >>
> >> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
> >> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
> >> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
> >> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
> >> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
> >> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
> >> order to support legacy radios.
> >>
> >> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
> >> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> >>
> >> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
> >> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
> >> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
> >> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
> >>
> >> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
> >> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
> >> internet.
> >>
> >> What does this get us?
> >>
> >> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
> >> with uplinks.
> >>
> >> What do we not have?
> >>
> >> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
> >> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
> >>
> >> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> >>
> >> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
> >> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
> >> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> >>
> >> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> >>
> >> More soon!
> >> -Michelle W5NYV
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 16:57:19 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:57:19 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
References: <CACvjz2WAnhwQj9JoLoD0-WZV2aDp-fL+UkJ_w87c56h5zvNang@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <7C74B264-B9DA-4A20-86DC-535E4B0D64F0@gmail.com>

Here is the narrow band WebSDR for QO-100 over Africa.
Very active with all the latest sound card digital modes.
From the Goonhilly ground station in England.

We will hopefully have the same type of WebSDR for our 1 MHz bandwidth on Echostar 9.

https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> There is that Geo bird over Africa.
> 
> I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.
> 
> When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the different modes and coverage.
> 
> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness has worn off.
> 
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>> On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Hi Michelle,
>> 
>> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
>> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
>> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
>> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
>> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
>> could just go rent some transponder space.
>> 
>> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
>> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
>> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
>> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
>> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
>> coverage.
>> 
>> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
>> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
>> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
>> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>> 
>> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
>> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
>> over 4 years.
>> 
>> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
>> 
>> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
>> QO-100 footprint.
>> 
>> Peter, 2M0SQL
>> 
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>> 
>>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>> 
>>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>>> order to support legacy radios.
>>> 
>>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>> 
>>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>> 
>>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>> internet.
>>> 
>>> What does this get us?
>>> 
>>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>>> with uplinks.
>>> 
>>> What do we not have?
>>> 
>>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>> 
>>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>> 
>>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>> 
>>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>> 
>>> More soon!
>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From smillick at wamusa.com  Thu Aug 22 17:31:51 2019
From: smillick at wamusa.com (Scott Millick)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:31:51 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Disaster
Message-ID: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>


What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed. Then what

Scott k9SM 


From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 17:32:50 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:32:50 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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in line response...

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:19 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> You have approached this
> mailing list with a price and hype trying to convince folks this would be
> our own QO-100 over North America when it is certainly not. Have
> discussions, talk to folks, see if you can find some funding but be honest
> about what you're pitching.

She did not try to convince anyone this would be a QO-100 over NA. She
said the main thing it got us was R&D for the "aggregator" and that it
did NOT get us a true ham band downlink.

> In short, this is playing around with electronics. It is probably
> interesting to some folks on this list, but it is NOT Amateur Radio in any
> way shape or form. Please stop trying to pass it off as such.

If you build an aggregator as described it is similar to how many use
DMR or D-Star hotspots, which is partially ham radio, and more radio
than those because the downlink is RF.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 22 17:34:56 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:34:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Va. Tech Launch help [was: Update: Rent GEO bandwidth
	for US]
In-Reply-To: <CACvjz2WnF5MPuDSNsd9Qrk=4+=f5C6wNwze8KGagXqNafzQnew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <981885513.609273.1566495296867@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hey Michelle,

................................................
    On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 8:36:29 AM EDT, Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:  
... the ham-only 4B (Virginia Tech, they have renewed their search for a launch) and Phase 4 Space (ORI, in development and actively fundraising).......................................................................................
Does Va. Tech have this "under control" or would they like some "6-degrees of separation" help?
Ev, W2EV
  

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 22 17:43:49 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:43:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <007301d55902$6c63e3b0$452bab10$@gokarns.com>
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On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> Students program funded.
> 
> A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> equipment on the ISS.  After eight months, the amateur radio
> community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.

Frank-

I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've 
changed the thread title.

Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in 
the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment seems 
to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:

https://www.amsat.org/status/

Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":

https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/

It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced to 
the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365 
like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to 
say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS. An 
astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the day 
or night?

If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the ISS 
and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget), I'd 
be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable chunk 
of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut 
happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.

How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 18:21:09 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:21:09 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <97dc8e93-3a77-445f-7b39-ce14d3e43f92@pobox.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:57 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> I do not see that your proposal encourages a new ham to
> build a microwave antenna, develop receivers and transmitters for our
> sparsely-used microwave bands, or debug why they can't hear or be heard
> on an amateur bird.

The downlink might not be on our microwave bands, but it is microwave
and receivable by hams and thus would encourage people to build
microwave antennas.

FWIW I don't think new hams would be served well to try to operate
microwave sats right off the bat unless they have a lot of existing
relevant technical knowledge/skill or at least determination and
patience.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 22 18:49:40 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:49:40 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SDR: Chaos Communication Camp 2019 talk
Message-ID: <cd10eedf-2fb6-dd4c-f835-7062a4a9ae28@pobox.com>


The Chaos Communication Camp is currently going on right now in Germany. 
There are many fascinating talks, including this one on SDR:

https://media.ccc.de/v/Camp2019-10248-the_limits_of_general_purpose_sdr_devices

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 18:52:06 2019
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:52:06 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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I think a lot of what we (AMSAT-NA) would learn from this has nothing to
do with the specific radio technology, but rather in understanding a bit
more in how to work within the GEO community.  This applies even if we
never actually sign an agreement.

The days of just focusing on tinkering on stuff on your workbench are
long gone.  The reality is that anything done in space is more in
getting into the right relationships, and navigating the extensive
regulatory landscape, than it is on building the transponder, IHU,
battery management, etc.

Just my $.02...

Greg  KO6TH


Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I don't see that the Amateur Radio community learns anything from this
> exercise that couldn't be done with a ground-based system on our own
> bands. There is no Doppler correction to be done, and path loss can be
> simulated with attenuation and/or lower power operation. Most of the
> link is hidden from the operator, and the underlying information
> encoding is ridiculously complex, far more than is required for a KISS
> EMCOMM system. 


From jean.marc.momple at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 18:56:47 2019
From: jean.marc.momple at gmail.com (Jean Marc Momple)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:56:47 +0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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Joe,

Further to Bernard mail, I confirm that the GEO bird over Africa is QO-100 (Es?hail2 Qatari satellite Amateur transponders) and with a footprint from Brazil to Asia, it is quite popular, 3B8FA has already worked out around 60 countries.

In week ends the 250 Khz narrowband transponder (SSB, CW, SSTV etc.) is very often as busy as 20M in the good days of good sun cycle (not much space left). On the DATV (WB) transponder it is also a lot of fun and very often fully occupied.

QO-100 has changed drastically our satellite operation in Region 1, enabled many experimentations which was not possible before and Hams are now back to early days ,building or repurposing equipment for same. Just a lot of fun this side of the world (unfortunately US is out of footprint).

Myself QRV on both the NB and WB (DATV) transponders I have much fun on this bird and enjoying many experiments.

I just can dream 3 such of GEO?s with interconnection between themselves providing worldwide coverage to the the HAMs 24/7. A vision that can only be achieved if one and all contribute a few $ and therefore wish to sell the idea to the community, AMSAT may coordinate. My humble proposal.

73



Jean Marc (3B8DU)


> On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:57 PM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Here is the narrow band WebSDR for QO-100 over Africa.
> Very active with all the latest sound card digital modes.
> From the Goonhilly ground station in England.
> 
> We will hopefully have the same type of WebSDR for our 1 MHz bandwidth on Echostar 9.
> 
> https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/
> 
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> There is that Geo bird over Africa.
>> 
>> I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.
>> 
>> When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the different modes and coverage.
>> 
>> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness has worn off.
>> 
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>> 
>>> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
>>> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
>>> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
>>> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
>>> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
>>> could just go rent some transponder space.
>>> 
>>> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
>>> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
>>> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
>>> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
>>> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
>>> coverage.
>>> 
>>> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
>>> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
>>> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
>>> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>>> 
>>> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
>>> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
>>> over 4 years.
>>> 
>>> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
>>> 
>>> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
>>> QO-100 footprint.
>>> 
>>> Peter, 2M0SQL
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>>>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>>>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>>> 
>>>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>>>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>>>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>>>> order to support legacy radios.
>>>> 
>>>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>>> 
>>>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>>> 
>>>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>>> internet.
>>>> 
>>>> What does this get us?
>>>> 
>>>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>>>> with uplinks.
>>>> 
>>>> What do we not have?
>>>> 
>>>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>>> 
>>>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>>>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>>> 
>>>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>>> 
>>>> More soon!
>>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>> 
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From spatrickfay at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 18:56:56 2019
From: spatrickfay at gmail.com (sean fay)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:56:56 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Disaster
In-Reply-To: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
References: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <CAEWsTrO74kE5tgcNTSiR7RXR6PLSaz3p7zw7ST2bSc0qRmLNNw@mail.gmail.com>

Then we use terrestrial radio

Sean
AA0AN

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>
> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
> Then what
>
> Scott k9SM
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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From diehl.mike.a at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 19:00:12 2019
From: diehl.mike.a at gmail.com (Mike Diehl)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:00:12 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Disaster
In-Reply-To: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
References: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <09170F65-F4BA-424F-A785-70455755D0F3@gmail.com>

Then we go back to using smoke signals. 

73,
Mike Diehl 
W8LID/VE6LID 

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 14:53, Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed. Then what
> 
> Scott k9SM 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
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From n1uw at gokarns.com  Thu Aug 22 19:19:55 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:19:55 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <3abbe8b0-ad65-55fd-1790-72aa8116438c@pobox.com>
References: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>	<787BAC97-1503-4186-A944-9769FCC273E0@gmail.com>	<007301d55902$6c63e3b0$452bab10$@gokarns.com>
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A fair comment, Zach.

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Zach
Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:44 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding

On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> Students program funded.
> 
> A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> equipment on the ISS.  After eight months, the amateur radio
> community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.

Frank-

I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've 
changed the thread title.

Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in 
the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment
seems 
to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:

https://www.amsat.org/status/

Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":

https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/

It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced
to 
the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365

like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to

say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS.
An 
astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the
day 
or night?

If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the
ISS 
and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget),
I'd 
be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable
chunk 
of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut 
happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.

How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO
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From johnbrier at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 19:39:25 2019
From: johnbrier at gmail.com (John Brier)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:39:25 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <3abbe8b0-ad65-55fd-1790-72aa8116438c@pobox.com>
References: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<787BAC97-1503-4186-A944-9769FCC273E0@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALn0fKO_YY5nvURft63v+0j_Uy-DaEWocMC1zM4f_G7nk70JDA@mail.gmail.com>

The Kenwood radios in the Russian service module are used for school
contacts almost every week. Just check the "Upcoming ARISS Contact
schedule" emails that go to this list.

You are right that, currently, ham equipment is not on and in use on
every orbit, but it used to be. In the Columbus module there is an
Erricson HT that was used for US and other non-Russian school contacts
and also, the 145.825 digipeater. That used to be on whenever there
wasn't a school contact, a docking/undocking, or some experiment that
necessitated it being off. The reason it is listed as "rarely used" is
because it's broken/on the fritz and that is the reason for the money
request! The data you point to is not an indication of lack of usage,
it's a symptom of the problem that keeps it from being used.

The money is needed for a new radio that would allow a similar
situation, a (probably) usually on UHF/VHF crossband voice repeater in
the form of a modified Kenwod TM-D710GA that the astronauts could jump
onto. It will also do digipeating and SSTV.

The "rarely used" at least for the voice frequencies is to keep people
from getting their hopes up to make a random unscheduled contact.
Those are indeed rare, but even with the equipment we have now, it
gets used and it affects thousands of students every year, not to
mention hams. I'm sure someone from ARISS can speak to this, more
accurately and better, than me.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:03 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> > consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> > Students program funded.
> >
> > A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> > equipment on the ISS.  After eight months, the amateur radio
> > community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> > AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
>
> Frank-
>
> I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
> changed the thread title.
>
> Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
> the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment seems
> to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/status/
>
> Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
>
> https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
>
> It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced to
> the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365
> like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to
> say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS. An
> astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the day
> or night?
>
> If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the ISS
> and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget), I'd
> be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable chunk
> of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut
> happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
>
> How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From kdcarlso at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 19:46:29 2019
From: kdcarlso at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:46:29 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <5d5eb683.1c69fb81.f4667.272b@mx.google.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
	<5D24365F-605B-41AF-998D-ACF1DAA6961B@gmail.com>
	<33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
	<5d5eb683.1c69fb81.f4667.272b@mx.google.com>
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Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You can
just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at least
one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.

Dave
N2OA

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> > Grrrr..
> > Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> > We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>
> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain e-mail
> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing to
> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has 2425
> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
>
> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
>
> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
> likes of the page).
>
> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 20:16:27 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:16:27 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Disaster
In-Reply-To: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
References: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
Message-ID: <CABsMmtRn2JVLowHK2feeXg9yJw14pLiBbF5uEa6bXUpv2hrVtA@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,

Easy - 40m or 80m NVIS and a digital mode  probably what we should be
practicing with, anyway.

John

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>
> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
> Then what
>
> Scott k9SM
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 20:32:05 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:32:05 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CAG5zY2oESRDR8=9MKUyNWzJxdm+UsS9-7xYMM5Tq0XzXJi-NOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
	<5D24365F-605B-41AF-998D-ACF1DAA6961B@gmail.com>
	<33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
	<5d5eb683.1c69fb81.f4667.272b@mx.google.com>
	<CAG5zY2oESRDR8=9MKUyNWzJxdm+UsS9-7xYMM5Tq0XzXJi-NOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B502AE63-EA26-48A8-8781-BEF303E430E9@gmail.com>

Yup, I agree.
IO Groups.
Like this following group....
Easy attachments, pictures, videos, etc.
Get your point across with images and proof.
"A picture is worth a thousand words."
https://groups.io/g/Winlink
The moderator is a very nice, laid back guy.

Bernard.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Dave via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You can
> just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
> interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
> guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at least
> one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
> 
> Dave
> N2OA
> 
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
>>> Grrrr..
>>> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
>>> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>> 
>> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain e-mail
>> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing to
>> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has 2425
>> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
>> 
>> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
>> 
>> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
>> likes of the page).
>> 
>> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From chibill110 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 18:45:17 2019
From: chibill110 at gmail.com (Bill Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:45:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <7C74B264-B9DA-4A20-86DC-535E4B0D64F0@gmail.com>
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	<CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<49c9406f-07e3-27b6-3310-8fc1738f4483@mwt.net>
	<7C74B264-B9DA-4A20-86DC-535E4B0D64F0@gmail.com>
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I personally think that instead of spend money on renting GEO bandwidth a better idea would be trying to see if any companies going to GEO would be willing haul up and power a small Amateur Payload.  Or even just getting a highly elliptical orbit on a normal bird. (Which for de-orbiting sails/drags could be deployed.)

Unless that GEO bandwidth is actually in the Ham bands why bother. 

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:57 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Here is the narrow band WebSDR for QO-100 over Africa.
> Very active with all the latest sound card digital modes.
> From the Goonhilly ground station in England.
> 
> We will hopefully have the same type of WebSDR for our 1 MHz bandwidth on Echostar 9.
> 
> https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/
> 
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> There is that Geo bird over Africa.
>> 
>> I had the URL for a site that lets you listen to the whole bird passband.
>> 
>> When it first went up I listened to it a LOT and was amazed at all the different modes and coverage.
>> 
>> But I can't find the URL anymore. I was gonna go and listen to see what the activity level is now like since it is much older and the newness has worn off.
>> 
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>> On 8/22/2019 10:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>> 
>>> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
>>> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
>>> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
>>> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
>>> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
>>> could just go rent some transponder space.
>>> 
>>> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
>>> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
>>> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
>>> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
>>> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
>>> coverage.
>>> 
>>> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
>>> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
>>> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
>>> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
>>> 
>>> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
>>> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
>>> over 4 years.
>>> 
>>> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
>>> 
>>> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
>>> QO-100 footprint.
>>> 
>>> Peter, 2M0SQL
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>>>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>>>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>>>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>>>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>>>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>>>> 
>>>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>>>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>>>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>>>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>>>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>>>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>>>> order to support legacy radios.
>>>> 
>>>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>>>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>>>> 
>>>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>>>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>>>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>>>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>>>> 
>>>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>>>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>>>> internet.
>>>> 
>>>> What does this get us?
>>>> 
>>>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>>>> with uplinks.
>>>> 
>>>> What do we not have?
>>>> 
>>>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>>>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>>>> 
>>>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>>>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>>>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>>>> 
>>>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>>>> 
>>>> More soon!
>>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From peter at magicbug.co.uk  Thu Aug 22 20:41:36 2019
From: peter at magicbug.co.uk (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:41:36 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <B502AE63-EA26-48A8-8781-BEF303E430E9@gmail.com>
References: <5d5e7bbb.1c69fb81.81cc0.c959@mx.google.com>
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	<33329FB9-6D9E-4821-A1CF-E7959131EE1D@gmail.com>
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	<CAG5zY2oESRDR8=9MKUyNWzJxdm+UsS9-7xYMM5Tq0XzXJi-NOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Not quite sure how discussing how the newsgroups is run is relevant to the
thread.

I'm personally a fan of pain text emails which no attachments more so as I
don't have to worry about infected files, I'm not on 10+ newsgroups I'm on
3 they are all run by the group's independent of third parties.

This suits most of the content posted. images could easily be shared by the
likes of OneDrive, Dropbox etc.


On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 21:34 KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Yup, I agree.
> IO Groups.
> Like this following group....
> Easy attachments, pictures, videos, etc.
> Get your point across with images and proof.
> "A picture is worth a thousand words."
> https://groups.io/g/Winlink
> The moderator is a very nice, laid back guy.
>
> Bernard.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Dave via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You
> can
> > just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
> > interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
> > guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at
> least
> > one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
> >
> > Dave
> > N2OA
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >>> Grrrr..
> >>> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> >>> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
> >>
> >> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain
> e-mail
> >> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing
> to
> >> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has
> 2425
> >> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
> >>
> >> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
> >>
> >> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
> >> likes of the page).
> >>
> >> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From peter at magicbug.co.uk  Thu Aug 22 20:46:41 2019
From: peter at magicbug.co.uk (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:46:41 +0100
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
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Zach,

I'm not sure how active you are, but there's a reason for the AMSAT Status
page showing limited things from the ISS that is equipment is needing
replacement.

Todo this of course requires money.

It's easy to look at the status and fire off an email saying what's the
point but sometimes worth checking the facts.

73,

Peter, 2M0SQL

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 20:02 Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
> > consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
> > Students program funded.
> >
> > A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
> > equipment on the ISS.  After eight months, the amateur radio
> > community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
> > AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
>
> Frank-
>
> I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
> changed the thread title.
>
> Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
> the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment seems
> to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/status/
>
> Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
>
> https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
>
> It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced to
> the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us 24/7/365
> like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it would be to
> say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals off the ISS. An
> astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at any time of the day
> or night?
>
> If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the ISS
> and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power budget), I'd
> be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a sizeable chunk
> of change that is used sporadically at the whim of whatever astronaut
> happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
>
> How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Thu Aug 22 20:53:03 2019
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:53:03 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
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Hi Zach,

ARISS is of course, a distinct and separate organization from AMSAT, an
international organization.? AMSAT provides major support for ARISS both
financial and engineering/hardware.? The latter is a substantial
contribution that, just as with any of the satellites we build, amounts
to an equivalent sum of money that is probably greater than the
financial support we give.? A lot of money is saved in the design and
testing/qualification of hardware, since it's done for "free".

The purpose of ARISS (Frank B. please stomp this if I am wrong) is about
amateur radio support for ISS, which is primarily educational outreach
just as that is one of the leading goals for gaining a launch of a
CubeSat, and to provide backup communications for ISS just as we do with
amateur radio public service on the ground.? The opportunity for extras
such as packet, repeaters, and QSOs with astronauts is achieved through
the relationship ARISS and AMSAT have with NASA and the work done by
volunteers to gain the extra antennas and hardware to have opportunities
for the extras.

The Lunar Gateway project that ARISS is pursuing right now along with
AMSAT worldwide is an example of the growth of these relationships, and
we are working on designs to provide a lot of opportunities beyond what
is on ISS and with much more availability.? That is a humongous step in
the direction of "hosted payloads" (I guess I could use "giant leap")
and will provide much more daily plain old amateur radio access.

ARISS and ISS are "old" and we are blessed to have the opportunity we
have with ISS.? It grew from SAREX and at the current state of design of
the also "old" ISS when the plans were incorporated, it was a big gain
in access to space.?

What is there now is not and will probably never be made into a
Fox/GOLF/HEO/GEO type of amateur radio platform, and the intent with
ARISS fundraising is solely for the activities for which the partnership
came to be.? Supporting ARISS is not the same as supporting GOLF or
rent-a-GEO nor the same as funds that will be solicited for amateur
radio on the Lunar Gateway.? I donate to ARISS along with many other
AMSAT members and officers not in hopes of it becoming more useful as a
satellite so to speak, but for the educational outreach of amateur radio
in space and the unique and obvious ADVERTISEMENT of amateur radio that
comes with the school contacts.? Please don't confuse or commingle
discussions of ARISS fundraising with AMSAT fundraising and the
proliferation of ham radio in space.

Thanks.

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 8/22/2019 12:43, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> On 2019-08-22 10:58, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Before anyone writes a check for a rented transponder, please
>> consider sending your check to help keep the ARISS Outreach for
>> Students program funded.
>>
>> A total of $150,000 is needed to replace and upgrade the aging
>> equipment on the ISS.? After eight months, the amateur radio
>> community has contributed only $33,000 of which $6,500 came from
>> AMSAT-UK and another $6,000 came from AMSAT officers.
>
> Frank-
>
> I suspect that this will generate a plethora of responses, so I've
> changed the thread title.
>
> Respectfully, I've considered the use case for ARISS, both now and in
> the past, and I don't see a huge value proposition. The equipment
> seems to be rarely used, as evidenced by the crowd-sourced data:
>
> https://www.amsat.org/status/
>
> Even the AMSAT web page lists most of the services as "rarely used":
>
> https://www.amsat.org/amateur-radio-on-the-iss/
>
> It is important to have school outreach and get youngsters introduced
> to the hobby, but it seems that $150k isn't going to work for us
> 24/7/365 like a repeater or linear transponder. Imagine how cool it
> would be to say to students "Yes, we are going to bounce our signals
> off the ISS. An astronaut might also be around to say hello too!" at
> any time of the day or night?
>
> If you told me that ARISS is going to put up a 5G/10G package on the
> ISS and open it up for near-continuous access (subject to power
> budget), I'd be the first to donate. However, if you are asking for a
> sizeable chunk of change that is used sporadically at the whim of
> whatever astronaut happens to be there, I can't see myself donating.
>
> How can we get a more usable (and automatic) station on the ISS?
>
> 73,
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
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From myles.landstein at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 20:58:12 2019
From: myles.landstein at gmail.com (myles Landstein)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:58:12 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
In-Reply-To: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
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I?ve noticed that SAT phones,  are typically even worse then regular phones (cellular/pots) etc?. they have even less capacity, and all above usually are at best overloaded, or are not functional due to ?the emergency??  not all (but some are) sat providers have good up/downlink stations  

just  food for thought, that said I wouldn?t tell a police office not to buy a sat phone,  but i wouldn?t rely on it too much for the really big diasters. 


myles Landstein
myles.landstein at gmail.com



> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michelle,
> 
> Excellent that they came back with the price and while the project
> sounds potentially interesting it's of course, not an amateur radio
> satellite, has anyone considered any risks for example, does this have
> the potential to raise questions when AMSAT approaches gov/orgs for
> discount launches for satellites we build that they might say that we
> could just go rent some transponder space.
> 
> I know in the states disaster comms is a huge point (weirdly not
> something that's pushed in Europe), but agencies could already access
> this kind of technology just by purchasing sat phones, for example, I
> have an iridium unit that lets me make calls and access the internet
> although slowly but handy in highlands of Scotland with poor mobile
> coverage.
> 
> By the sounds of this, it will be access points that then aggregate
> into a central point via probably internet backhaul then its dumped up
> to the satellite, to me that doesn't really feel within the ham
> spirit, although I'm sure tons would argue :)
> 
> I know there's a big desire for GEO over North America, but do ops
> really think this is the ultimate solution? we're talking 96000 USD
> over 4 years.
> 
> Think it really requires some heavy thought before just jumping on the idea.
> 
> Just my thoughts, and I know I'm on the other side of the pond in the
> QO-100 footprint.
> 
> Peter, 2M0SQL
> 
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 02:36, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4 years of
>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
>> 
>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others to pay for
>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback already. I
>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm willing to
>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing needs to
>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
>> 
>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field deployment
>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP (Amateur Radio
>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM or analog
>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then sent to a
>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot of
>> interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground needs an ARAP in
>> order to support legacy radios.
>> 
>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink. The
>> aggregator equipment does that part for you.
>> 
>> This is most useful for public service and emergency communications. A
>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross, motivated
>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it hears is
>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire footprint.
>> 
>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable by
>> individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be repeated over the
>> internet.
>> 
>> What does this get us?
>> 
>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some experience
>> with uplinks.
>> 
>> What do we not have?
>> 
>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink yourself, or
>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station distributor.
>> 
>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
>> 
>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design, deploy, test,
>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about GEO comms and
>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
>> 
>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
>> 
>> More soon!
>> -Michelle W5NYV
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 21:03:22 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:03:22 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
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A modern, user friendly newsgroup is relevant here, as we start building new dish antennas, COTS 12GHz downlink receivers, etc.
See the nice, modern AMSAT-DL forum.
So much easier to share knowledge with images, videos and easy searches.
I understand this AMSAT BB was probably created way back when in the 1970's or earlier.
It shows.
But I understand that "it was always like this."

Having to put up links to pictures, is archaic.
I used to host all my pictures on Photobucket for free, and link to them.
Now, I cannot access them unless I pay. (New management, I guess.)
So, I lost interest, and the password....

KC9SGV


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) <peter at magicbug.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not quite sure how discussing how the newsgroups is run is relevant to the thread.
> 
> I'm personally a fan of pain text emails which no attachments more so as I don't have to worry about infected files, I'm not on 10+ newsgroups I'm on 3 they are all run by the group's independent of third parties.
> 
> This suits most of the content posted. images could easily be shared by the likes of OneDrive, Dropbox etc.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 21:34 KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> Yup, I agree.
>> IO Groups.
>> Like this following group....
>> Easy attachments, pictures, videos, etc.
>> Get your point across with images and proof.
>> "A picture is worth a thousand words."
>> https://groups.io/g/Winlink
>> The moderator is a very nice, laid back guy.
>> 
>> Bernard.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Dave via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Not to derail the conversation but groups.io is very easy to use. You can
>> > just send and receive email to the group if you don't want to use the web
>> > interface. Searches are so much easier than this archaic list and I would
>> > guess that most hams with any technical interest already belong to at least
>> > one or twenty io or yahoo groups and are familiar with them.
>> > 
>> > Dave
>> > N2OA
>> > 
>> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:09 PM JoAnne K9JKM via AMSAT-BB <
>> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> >>> Grrrr..
>> >>> Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
>> >>> We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
>> >> 
>> >> A large number of members have previously said they prefer a plain e-mail
>> >> list without the overhead of huge files with JPG attachments or needing to
>> >> figure out how to navigate yet another forum layout. The amsat-bb has 2425
>> >> e-mail addresses on the subscriber list.
>> >> 
>> >> Other AMSAT internet venues which allow posting photos include:
>> >> 
>> >> AMSAT on Facebook with 3149 group members who can post photos (and 5233
>> >> likes of the page).
>> >> 
>> >> AMSAT on Twitter has ~14,600 followers.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
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From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 22 21:10:17 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:10:17 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <CAFvUaipqREkvHCBUdyekj3stQa6_ce1cVZ4bDd6OwM6df-HCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2019-08-22 15:46, Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL) wrote:
> It's easy to look at the status and fire off an email saying what's the 
> point but sometimes worth checking the facts.

Hello Peter,

I've listened, live, to Frank et. al. give presentations at the last few 
Symposiums and am fairly familiar with the ARISS operational situation.

Yes, equipment breaks, even more so in space. ISS-rated equipment seems 
to cost a lot to certify, and I'm wondering; if, while they're at it, 
ARISS might go a little further and consider something that provides 
near 24/7/365 use for the amateur community, irrespective of the 
astronaut's busy schedules.

Perhaps we could share designs from the Fox/GOLF program and bolt a 1U 
cube to the outside of the ISS somewhere to provide this feature, 
without much incremental cost?

I don't feel bad "firing off an email" when the requested amount is in 
the six figure range...

73,

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From glennmaillist at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 22 21:14:42 2019
From: glennmaillist at bellsouth.net (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:14:42 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Disaster
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtRn2JVLowHK2feeXg9yJw14pLiBbF5uEa6bXUpv2hrVtA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b016af22-5727-1e94-18bd-666e1840fde3@bellsouth.net>

For a disaster, we should use the KISS principle.
High Tech toys have no place in a disaster.
A radio without a processor is best.
The radio MUST be reliable and simple to use.
It is no good if the inexperienced operator gets into the 500th layer in 
the menu and sets something wrong.

Glenn
WB4UIV
Still using a KWM2 and a TS-520.

On 8/22/2019 4:16 PM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Easy - 40m or 80m NVIS and a digital mode  probably what we should be
> practicing with, anyway.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
>> Then what
>>
>> Scott k9SM
>>
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of the Amateur that holds the license"


From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 22 21:20:42 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:20:42 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <d89aadad-c784-1889-78ec-a88f8c34cc16@amsat.org>
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On 2019-08-22 15:53, Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Please don't confuse or commingle
> discussions of ARISS fundraising with AMSAT fundraising and the
> proliferation of ham radio in space.

Jerry,

No confusion intended. I was simply responding to Frank's original 
email, sent to the AMSAT-BB reflector as a follow-up to Michelle's 
rent-a-GEO discussion.

Given a limited pool of dollars, I'd rather see those dollars go toward 
something that any licensed amateur can use on our allocated frequencies 
anytime it is visible.

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From kw4wz at amsat.org  Thu Aug 22 20:26:00 2019
From: kw4wz at amsat.org (kw4wz at amsat.org)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:26:00 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <CALn0fKO_YY5nvURft63v+0j_Uy-DaEWocMC1zM4f_G7nk70JDA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7b738f7b-07e3-33af-867f-3fab4fcfa11d@spaceflightsoftware.com>

Personally, I think the school contacts alone justify the ARISS program. 
  Having amateur radio be a part of human spaceflight is an excellent 
way to promote the hobby.

But we need the new hardware to get the APRS system back full time. 
Watching the ISS fly over while working the APRS rig is a great experience.

Besides school contacts, there have been six SSTV events this year that 
have been very popular.  Over 19 thousand reception reports were 
submitted from around the globe.
	73,
	Will KW4WZ

On 8/22/19 3:39 PM, John Brier via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> The Kenwood radios in the Russian service module are used for school
> contacts almost every week. Just check the "Upcoming ARISS Contact
> schedule" emails that go to this list.
> 
> You are right that, currently, ham equipment is not on and in use on
> every orbit, but it used to be. In the Columbus module there is an
> Erricson HT that was used for US and other non-Russian school contacts
> and also, the 145.825 digipeater. That used to be on whenever there
> wasn't a school contact, a docking/undocking, or some experiment that
> necessitated it being off. The reason it is listed as "rarely used" is
> because it's broken/on the fritz and that is the reason for the money
> request! The data you point to is not an indication of lack of usage,
> it's a symptom of the problem that keeps it from being used.
> 
> The money is needed for a new radio that would allow a similar
> situation, a (probably) usually on UHF/VHF crossband voice repeater in
> the form of a modified Kenwod TM-D710GA that the astronauts could jump
> onto. It will also do digipeating and SSTV.
> 
> The "rarely used" at least for the voice frequencies is to keep people
> from getting their hopes up to make a random unscheduled contact.
> Those are indeed rare, but even with the equipment we have now, it
> gets used and it affects thousands of students every year, not to
> mention hams. I'm sure someone from ARISS can speak to this, more
> accurately and better, than me.
> 
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
...

-- 
Will Marchant, KW4WZ

From bruninga at usna.edu  Thu Aug 22 21:43:18 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:43:18 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US (emergency
	messaging)
Message-ID: <da77e18d46ff17b71b93f8ee0d78c461@mail.gmail.com>

We just looked at the 6 APRS active LEO satellites and about half the
time, you are no more than 30 minutes from a next pass, 75% of the time
you are less than 60 minutes to the next pass and 93% of the time your
next pass is within 90 minutes as shown in the plot on the APRS live
downlink pages:

http://aprs.org/sats.html

Though, admittedly the page is now showing ISS has not been heard in 10
days and PCSAT is only surviving about 1 minute per pass, and PSAT is
about to come in to good sun in a week or so.  But the idea is that if we
just add APRS digipeaters on more birds, we can approach near continuous
coverage for texting and emailing form an HT anywhere on earth (at
reasonable latitudes),...

Something to keep in the quiver for disaster and emergency messaging from
remote areas.

 Bob, WB4aPR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Michelle Thompson
via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:43 AM
To: David Swanson <dave at druidnetworks.com>
Cc: &lt,amsat-bb at amsat.org&gt, <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US

The idea originally came from FEMA and ARRL. It has been presented at
Symposium at least twice.

As a former EMT, I have used a variety emergency communications equipment
for drills and duty. I got all the ICS certifications and listened to lots
and lots of schemes, proposals, and marketing from all the usual suspects,
went to classes for CEUs where strange things were recommended that would
never work, and did things that were essentially hacks with equipment that
should have been retired before I was born. My views on emcomm are
conservative and largely immaterial. If FEMA is interested in this, then
finding out if it works is worth my time.

No AMSAT resources (e.g. money) are being asked for or are needed for
this.
It can only help AMSAT if it works, but if it doesn't, there's no harm
done to the club. We're supposed to experiment and advance the radio arts.
We need to understand what it means to rent transponder space.

When companies that are motivated to support amateur radio step up and do,
the least we can do is listen, weigh, consider, and take them up on it if
it looks like it would result in something positive. I believe this is one
of those opportunities, and I'm willing to do the due diligence and see
how far we can get.

In short, It is both/and, not either/or.

-Michelle W5NYV





On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:22 AM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The 'last mile' segment in this proposal is amateur spectrum yes, but
> that segment could also very easily be commercial or public safety
> spectrum as well. Heck, with a meg of bandwidth at 10g+ on your
> 'backbone' you could very easily establish a somewhat respectable
> packet link and then just have your "Aggregator" be nothing more than
> a wifi hotspot, which opens up all sorts of communication applications
> beyond simple push button HTs. If you're truly looking at this from an
> EMCOMM perspective, then the primary goal of the ESF-2 annex is
> 'communications infrastructure restoration' - which is ranked higher
> than 'tactical communications' anyway. Why screw with sending people
> with their HT's out to act as relays, when a pelican case with a dish
> and a Linksys can get everyone back on the net in 5 minutes?
>
> Therefore, I'm confused on why this is being brought up here other
> than solicitation by folks who wear multiple hats. There is precisely
> zero benefit to AMSAT or ARRL getting involved, and committing their
> scarce resources to a project that won't benefit amateurs. No contact
> made thru this proposed method will be a valid 'qso' for folks
> interested in that sort of thing. No expertise or engineering will be
required of the 'users'
> of the system, other than to tune their device to whatever frequency
> the Aggregator builders require of them. The only folks that would
> benefit from such a proposal are the aggregator builders themselves,
> and possibly the public - and I say possibly because commercial
> systems like your proposal already exist and are in common use by
> organizations that respond to disasters. For 60 bucks a week I can
> rent a basic Inmarsat turn key solution, take it anywhere on the
> planet, and let any of the workers I'm supporting send and receive
> emails while I do something productive towards saving lives instead of
mashing my PTT button 23 hours a day.
>
> The idea is cool, but only from the perspective of the people getting
> to build it. For those us who've actually been in the shit trying to
> help re-establish comms after a real disaster, we've all learned once
> the cell phones and internet comes back online, no one gives a crap
> about our radios. The moment the Verizon truck rolls up with the 3m
> dish and portable tower trailer, our work is done. The *real* use for
> Ham in disasters these days is the basic idea that our gear can
> establish communications without some sort of proprietary
> middle-hardware needed. Don't believe me? I'd be happy to send you my
> graduate research paper on DPEM Applications of Geo-Synchronous
> Satellites I did a few years back. There are applications for our
> hobby in disasters, find some spectrum to rent on a Geo-bird that I
> (or some ham in the mountains of western Puerto Rico) can use directly
> and I'll be the first one to donate. Until then, for 24k a year AMSAT
> could probably launch another pair of Fox's that would be *actual*
amateur satellites.
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:13 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Grrrr..
> > Replies to the list via email with pictures attached get wiped !
> > We need a modern BB or forum like AMSAT-DL....
> >
> > Here goes to the BB list again without pictures:
> >
> > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into
> > Echolink nodes.
> > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the
satellite.
> > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF
> > distance constraints.
> > Still an Emcomm use here.
> >
> > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go
> > into the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or
> > even use Skype, like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free
> > RCForb remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com A
> > R&D use here.
> >
> > KC9SGV
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 7:01 AM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > We could go RF HF or VHF into the aggregator like we do into
> > > Echolink
> > nodes.
> > > The aggregator then send the signal via commercial RF into the
> satellite.
> > > Of course, this signal will be degraded by HF multi path and VHF
> > distance constraints.
> > > Still an Emcomm use here.
> > >
> > > Or, we could forego the Emcomm utility, use the Internet, and go
> > > into
> > the aggregator via Echolink audio (computer to computer) or even use
> Skype,
> > like in the early days of remote HF station use.
> > > Of course we could also use the gold standard audio of the free
> > > RCForb
> > remote HF station software as found on www.remotehams.com
> > > A R&D use here.
> > > Like this :
> > > <image1.PNG>
> > >
> > >
> > > Bernard,
> > > KC9SGV
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 6:25 AM, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ev,
> > >>
> > >> But the aggregator can't uplink directly to the satellite as the
> uplink
> > is outside of the amateur bands.  So the aggregator must send
> > everything
> to
> > an earth station with a commercial license, correct?
> > >>
> > >> Would the aggregator be single channel or work more like a linear
> > transponder sending along multiple signals in mixed modes at once?
> > >>
> > >> Unless I am wrong, the aggregator must be colocated with the
> commercial
> > earth station or we are back into Internet required land thereby
> decreasing
> > the encomm utility of this effort.
> > >>
> > >> Sancho
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
> > >>> On Aug 21, 2019 22:34, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB
> > >>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Michelle,
> > >>> What a fascinating opportunity.  I'd like to try to describe
> > >>> this
> > using different words to see if I get it.
> > >>> Echostar 9 is a geosynchronous satellite with 1 MHz of spectrum
> > >>> to
> > sell.
> > >>> Both the up and down frequencies are outside of the amateur bands.
> > >>> To use it, an aggregator is needed.  An aggregator is a "bridge"
> > device that converts amateur-band RF to satellite uplink RF and
> > setellite downlink RF to amateur-band RF.
> > >>> Amateurs simply need to be in range of an aggregator.  It is the
> > aggregators responsibility to remain aimed at the satellite.
> > >>>
> > >>> The aggregator determines if it will bridge FM or Linear (SSB,
> > >>> CW,
> > PSK31, etc.) modes.
> > >>> Is this right?
> > >>> Regards,Ev, W2EV
> > >>>
> > >>>    On Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 9:38:12 PM EDT, Michelle
> > >>> Thompson
> > via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> An arrangement on Echostar9 for 1MHz of bandwidth for up to 4
> > >>> years
> of
> > >>> USA+Mexico+Canada coverage is on offer for $2000 a month.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm putting together a grant proposal for ARRL, FEMA, and others
> > >>> to
> > pay for
> > >>> at least year of access. I've gotten some positive feedback
already.
> I
> > >>> think we can make this happen with some fundraising effort. I'm
> > willing to
> > >>> provide the human resources and whatever incidental financing
> > >>> needs
> to
> > >>> happen to secure a grant for rental.
> > >>>
> > >>> The main purpose of this type of system would be to enable field
> > deployment
> > >>> of "legacy mode" aggregators, like the Phase 4 Ground ARAP
> > >>> (Amateur
> > Radio
> > >>> Access Point). This is where traffic on any ham band, using FM
> > >>> or
> > analog
> > >>> gear, is digitized by a local "collecting" repeater, and is then
> > >>> sent
> > to a
> > >>> satellite from that repeater. FEMA and ARRL have expressed a lot
> > >>> of interest and support for this in the past. Phase 4 Ground
> > >>> needs an
> > ARAP in
> > >>> order to support legacy radios.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't have to personally have a microwave digital uplink.
> > >>> The aggregator equipment does that part for you.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is most useful for public service and emergency
communications.
> A
> > >>> communications emergency is declared, someone (FEMA, Red Cross,
> > motivated
> > >>> ham volunteer) drops in the aggregator, and all ham traffic it
> > >>> hears
> is
> > >>> sent to the satellite and then transmitted to the entire
footprint.
> > >>>
> > >>> The downlink is 12-14GHz. This is not 10GHz, but is receivable
> > >>> by individuals using very inexpensive gear. Traffic can be
> > >>> repeated over
> > the
> > >>> internet.
> > >>>
> > >>> What does this get us?
> > >>>
> > >>> An opportunity to do all the R&D for the aggregator and get some
> > experience
> > >>> with uplinks.
> > >>>
> > >>> What do we not have?
> > >>>
> > >>> A true ham band downlink. You can still receive the downlink
> yourself,
> > or
> > >>> you can get it over the internet from an earth station
distributor.
> > >>>
> > >>> That's where we're at with *this* proposal.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think it's worth it to provide a US-based way to design,
> > >>> deploy,
> > test,
> > >>> and use real world aggregator equipment. We learn a lot about
> > >>> GEO
> > comms and
> > >>> figure out a lot of the ins and outs.
> > >>>
> > >>> Comment and critique welcome and encouraged.
> > >>>
> > >>> More soon!
> > >>> -Michelle W5NYV
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> available
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 21:57:16 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:57:16 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Disaster
In-Reply-To: <CABsMmtRn2JVLowHK2feeXg9yJw14pLiBbF5uEa6bXUpv2hrVtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <780B4C33-99D3-4E79-AA62-C169C5BF1BAA@wamusa.com>
	<CABsMmtRn2JVLowHK2feeXg9yJw14pLiBbF5uEa6bXUpv2hrVtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACvjz2UOZnkdWiBmrZF2XSVgsOdTMwOZdbTwY2OQj9pBhzY7AQ@mail.gmail.com>

NVIS actually works really well here in SoCal with all the weird terrain.
It's part of local emergency communications plans and all.

This experiment under discussion supports the development of communications
resources that address a threat model of widespread natural disasters or
widespread communications emergencies. It's obviously frail in the face of
a global satellite outage. No communications system is completely robust.

For example, when the power goes down here, almost every amateur repeater
simply shuts off. There are very few that have functional backup power.
Simplex isn't really effective with canyons and mountains, so there's
simplex mapping exercises and efforts to keep backup power systems working.
These efforts have not been 100% effective.

It's a process to be prepared.

-Michelle W5NYV




On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:21 PM John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> Easy - 40m or 80m NVIS and a digital mode  probably what we should be
> practicing with, anyway.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM Scott Millick via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > What happens ift he disaster is the communications sats are destroyed.
> > Then what
> >
> > Scott k9SM
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > expressed
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From n8fgv at usa.net  Thu Aug 22 22:07:06 2019
From: n8fgv at usa.net (Daniel Schultz)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 18:07:06 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update: Rent GEO bandwidth for US
Message-ID: <542XHVwgg2816Set.1566511626@web02.cms.usa.net>

The main advantage of Amateur Radio in a disaster situation is our ability to
communicate without any commercial infrastructure. How long would it have
taken to set up an "aggregator" in Puerto Rico after the hurricane? Can it get
in there faster than the Verizon truck with 3 meter dish and cell tower can
get there?

How many "aggregators" will there be in the world? How hard will it be for
radio clubs to get licensed to operate an "aggregator" uplink station? Using
commercial infrastructure to link local ham radio access points is basically
what EchoLink is all about. 

Meanwhile our friends in Europe are experiencing a renaissance in amateur
radio with their new geosat. I'm not saying that we wouldn't learn something
from utilizing commercial geosats, but it seems we should be looking for ways
to preserve our amateur satellite spectrum before the commercial world takes
it away and then offers to rent it back to us. 

73, Dan N8FGV


From n8hm at arrl.net  Thu Aug 22 22:39:01 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 18:39:01 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS funding
In-Reply-To: <a78b2db6-62b5-7c78-51f8-72a1d9aa2981@pobox.com>
References: <CAFvUaiq0F7YPGsd79k6B1Jk0u8noGSuhD1UHHGX823fmJxwLvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<787BAC97-1503-4186-A944-9769FCC273E0@gmail.com>
	<007301d55902$6c63e3b0$452bab10$@gokarns.com>
	<3abbe8b0-ad65-55fd-1790-72aa8116438c@pobox.com>
	<d89aadad-c784-1889-78ec-a88f8c34cc16@amsat.org>
	<a78b2db6-62b5-7c78-51f8-72a1d9aa2981@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOoK6fHbe8rLfK=0Ukq-sNi6ZFPccdTOewYgTYNryz5VVQ@mail.gmail.com>

The ISS digipeater historically has been a widely used resource that's
available nearly all the time. Amateur radio stations on the ISS need
to be turned off for EVAs, docking, and undocking, but other than
that, the digipeater was pretty much enabled all the time the US
segment radio was not in use.

Unfortunately, both the radio and packet module seem to have issues,
which is why the new hardware is so desperately needed. The new
hardware should also enable more frequent activation of the ISS FM
voice repeater and more frequent SSTV events as well.

More broadly, I would note that AMSAT's vision statement has three
separate clauses:

...to deploy satellite systems with the goal of providing wide-area
and continuous coverage (Both GOLF and our work on the Lunar Gateway
are working towards this goal)
...AMSAT will continue active participation in human space missions
(ARISS - now leading to Lunar Gateway)
...and support a stream of LEO satellites developed in cooperation
with the educational community and other amateur satellite groups
(after Fox, the focus here is now the linear transponder system AMSAT
is offering to university cubesat groups)

All of these are crucial to our goal of Keeping Amateur Radio in
Space. I would note that without our participation in SAREX and ARISS
over the decades, the opportunity for an amateur radio system on Lunar
Gateway likely would not exist. The relationships that develop from
our participation in a diverse set of missions help to lead to new and
different opportunities.

73,

Paul, N8HM


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 5:52 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> On 2019-08-22 15:53, Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Please don't confuse or commingle
> > discussions of ARISS fundraising with AMSAT fundraising and the
> > proliferation of ham radio in space.
>
> Jerry,
>
> No confusion intended. I was simply responding to Frank's original
> email, sent to the AMSAT-BB reflector as a follow-up to Michelle's
> rent-a-GEO discussion.
>
> Given a limited pool of dollars, I'd rather see those dollars go toward
> something that any licensed amateur can use on our allocated frequencies
> anytime it is visible.
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
> _______________________________________________
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From vk2tfg at ozemail.com.au  Fri Aug 23 06:16:41 2019
From: vk2tfg at ozemail.com.au (vk2tfg)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 16:16:41 +1000
Subject: [amsat-bb] Old AMSAT FTP site.
Message-ID: <20190823161641.29897661@debian-8-2-0.vk2tfg.ampr.org>

Greetings all,

	Does anybody know if there is a way to download the software &
	data that was at
	https://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/ftpsoft.php ?

	I am after supporting info that was with some packages in
	particular YACER 1.03 and ConvKeps.

	Any info that is available would be gratefully accepted.

73 de Geoff vk2tfg.

From vimone at alice.it  Fri Aug 23 09:49:11 2019
From: vimone at alice.it (Vincenzo Mone)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 11:49:11 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] MSPE Error NO-5
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALgqrd2N1rRAiaQvRd7pgRDCgAAAEAAAAJNxMWAHpqdGiGJ7+L0LpTABAAAAAA==@alice.it>

Hi Folks,

I am using MSPE from the Wisp package to work on the

Falconsat-3 Satellite.

I am noticing from a while that every time

I send the Dir request to the satellite, I get from it

The ERROR NO-5. Did not understood which is the problem.

Any clue ho to solve the problem?

Any help will be really appreciated.

 

 

73 de Enzo IK8OZV
EasyLog 5 BetaTester
EasyLog PDA BetaTester
WinBollet BetaTester
D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 11:49:52 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 06:49:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tweet by KC9SGV on Twitter
Message-ID: <85EBCB51-71EE-4864-BEAA-E977CA5336FF@gmail.com>

	KC9SGV (@Kc9Sgv)
8/23/19, 6:40 AM
??@AMSAT?? Started to build a 12 GHZ receiver from COTS parts. Dish will be aimed at the GEO belt just West of South...be ready !! pic.twitter.com/lrEmlw87Up

Download the Twitter app


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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 12:32:07 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 07:32:07 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dish size required for Echostar 9
Message-ID: <7DBCAA1B-363B-4960-8E4F-BC2EEACB712A@gmail.com>

Looks like a smaller dish is required for Echostar 9 reception on the Ku band.
http://satstar.net/beams/echo9galaxy23_ku.html

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 12:57:08 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 07:57:08 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
Message-ID: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>

Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
Scroll down.

https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html

KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 13:04:22 2019
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:04:22 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>

 EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
other than it being someone's pipedream?

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S9

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> Scroll down.
>
> https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
>
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net  Fri Aug 23 13:09:25 2019
From: n1jez at burlingtontelecom.net (Mike Seguin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:09:25 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99ec2bca-943a-c368-2d23-aec802f2108b@burlingtontelecom.net>

Keep an eye out for the beacons....

11,705.50 or 12,198.00 MHz

On 8/23/2019 8:57 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> Scroll down.
> 
> https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> 
> KC9SGV
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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> 

-- 

73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Aug 23 13:13:21 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:13:21 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Old AMSAT FTP site.
In-Reply-To: <20190823161641.29897661@debian-8-2-0.vk2tfg.ampr.org>
References: <20190823161641.29897661@debian-8-2-0.vk2tfg.ampr.org>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOqsZowEdEphnkAaYMscfOoEozTLYkpJmbdfD7k1eZR-Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Geoff,

The AMSAT FTP server is still active and contains all of these items.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:20 AM vk2tfg via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
>         Does anybody know if there is a way to download the software &
>         data that was at
>         https://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/ftpsoft.php ?
>
>         I am after supporting info that was with some packages in
>         particular YACER 1.03 and ConvKeps.
>
>         Any info that is available would be gratefully accepted.
>
> 73 de Geoff vk2tfg.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Aug 23 13:17:12 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:17:12 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] MSPE Error NO-5
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALgqrd2N1rRAiaQvRd7pgRDCgAAAEAAAAJNxMWAHpqdGiGJ7+L0LpTABAAAAAA==@alice.it>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALgqrd2N1rRAiaQvRd7pgRDCgAAAEAAAAJNxMWAHpqdGiGJ7+L0LpTABAAAAAA==@alice.it>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOr3OJGCTrcBHupHAZ5CLvVdB3zSirVzEZp8vtT6QN=-bA@mail.gmail.com>

Enzo,

There was some discussion about Error No 5 during a directory listing
a while back. https://amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2017-October/065001.html

You may also wish to try AC2CZ/G0KLA's modern Java-based PACSAT Ground
Station software if you continue to have problems with WiSP. See
https://www.g0kla.com/pacsat/

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:07 AM Vincenzo Mone via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am using MSPE from the Wisp package to work on the
>
> Falconsat-3 Satellite.
>
> I am noticing from a while that every time
>
> I send the Dir request to the satellite, I get from it
>
> The ERROR NO-5. Did not understood which is the problem.
>
> Any clue ho to solve the problem?
>
> Any help will be really appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> 73 de Enzo IK8OZV
> EasyLog 5 BetaTester
> EasyLog PDA BetaTester
> WinBollet BetaTester
> D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania
> Skype: ik8ozv8520
>
>
>
>
>       *********************************
>
>       ******   GSM  +39 328 7110193  ******
>
>       *****     SMS  +39 328 7110193    *****
>
>       *********************************
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Aug 23 13:17:35 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:17:35 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Old AMSAT FTP site.
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOqsZowEdEphnkAaYMscfOoEozTLYkpJmbdfD7k1eZR-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20190823161641.29897661@debian-8-2-0.vk2tfg.ampr.org>
	<CABzOSOqsZowEdEphnkAaYMscfOoEozTLYkpJmbdfD7k1eZR-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOrPxnVPDpkhYWoToS3F2SfEOONnHO7Me68BiJVMZHKx9g@mail.gmail.com>

And that's at ftp.amsat.org

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 9:13 AM Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> The AMSAT FTP server is still active and contains all of these items.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:20 AM vk2tfg via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> >         Does anybody know if there is a way to download the software &
> >         data that was at
> >         https://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/ftpsoft.php ?
> >
> >         I am after supporting info that was with some packages in
> >         particular YACER 1.03 and ConvKeps.
> >
> >         Any info that is available would be gratefully accepted.
> >
> > 73 de Geoff vk2tfg.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Aug 23 13:31:08 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:31:08 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>

I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great educational
opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb KB1PVH
via AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards

 EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
other than it being someone's pipedream?

Dave-KB1PVH


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> Scroll down.
>
> https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
>
> KC9SGV

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 23 16:05:30 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 16:05:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>

 I am too, Bob!? I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".? I say, "If you don't like it, press [Delete] and move on".

Ev

    On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
throw-away Dish network dishes for something.? It's a great educational
opportunity.? I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.

Bob, WB4APR

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb KB1PVH
via AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards

 EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
other than it being someone's pipedream?

Dave-KB1PVH


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Some Echostar 9,? 12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> Scroll down.
>
> https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
>
> KC9SGV
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From tucker at mcguireland.com  Fri Aug 23 17:31:13 2019
From: tucker at mcguireland.com (Tucker McGuire)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 13:31:13 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
commercial GEO's.

---Tucker
   W4FS

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>  I am too, Bob!  I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".  I say, "If you don't like it,
> press [Delete] and move on".
>
> Ev
>
>     On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
> throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great educational
> opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
> technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb KB1PVH
> via AMSAT-BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
>
>  EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
> other than it being someone's pipedream?
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > Scroll down.
> >
> > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> >
> > KC9SGV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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From k.swaggart at charter.net  Fri Aug 23 17:38:55 2019
From: k.swaggart at charter.net (k.swaggart at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 10:38:55 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] G-5500 az rotor failure
Message-ID: <000001d559d9$a44db8f0$ece92ad0$@charter.net>

This morning I found my G-5500 will not move left or right. Not even a
wiggle. Took some measurements and the wiring appears to be intact but I
don't understand the 40 Vac readings when the rotor is connected to the
control box. Here are my readings taken at the control box end of the
wiring:

 

Rotor connected to control box:

Common (pin 6) to Left (pin 4)  Press Left: 28 Vac  Right: 40 Vac

Common (pin 6) to Right (pin 5) Press Left: 40 Vac  Right: 28 Vac

 

Rotor disconnected. Measuring control box terminals:

Pin 6 to 4  Press Left: 29.5 Vac  Press right: 0

Pin 6 to 5 Press Left: 0  Press Right: 29.5 Vac

 

Measuring rotor cable at control box, disconnected from box:

6 (brown) to 4 (blue) 5.3 Ohms

6 (brown) to 5 (orange) 5.3 Ohms

4 (blue) to 5 (orange) 8.9 Ohms

 

Any suggestions before I pull the rotor off the mast?

 

73,

Ken, W7KKE

 

 

 


From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 23 17:48:35 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] G-5500 az rotor failure
In-Reply-To: <000001d559d9$a44db8f0$ece92ad0$@charter.net>
References: <000001d559d9$a44db8f0$ece92ad0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1152469997.2063622.1566582515665@mail.yahoo.com>

Oh, nooo!!!
Your SatGate is really important in the North West.
I hope the remedy is not too complicated.
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Friday, August 23, 2019, 10:40:54 AM PDT, Ken Swaggart W7KKE via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 This morning I found my G-5500 will not move left or right. Not even a
wiggle. Took some measurements and the wiring appears to be intact but I
don't understand the 40 Vac readings when the rotor is connected to the
control box. Here are my readings taken at the control box end of the
wiring:

 

Rotor connected to control box:

Common (pin 6) to Left (pin 4)? Press Left: 28 Vac? Right: 40 Vac

Common (pin 6) to Right (pin 5) Press Left: 40 Vac? Right: 28 Vac

 

Rotor disconnected. Measuring control box terminals:

Pin 6 to 4? Press Left: 29.5 Vac? Press right: 0

Pin 6 to 5 Press Left: 0? Press Right: 29.5 Vac

 

Measuring rotor cable at control box, disconnected from box:

6 (brown) to 4 (blue) 5.3 Ohms

6 (brown) to 5 (orange) 5.3 Ohms

4 (blue) to 5 (orange) 8.9 Ohms

 

Any suggestions before I pull the rotor off the mast?

 

73,

Ken, W7KKE

 

 

 

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From alex at n7agf.com  Fri Aug 23 17:54:13 2019
From: alex at n7agf.com (Alex Free - N7AGF)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 10:54:13 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG8VDhpUK4AYMfgWud_kF69JCzB4eaZURkiCs_9STUfbA4Eqkg@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps the "mission statement" on the mailing list page should be updated.

Right now it states:  "The purpose of this mailing list is to provide a
forum for general discussion of any satellite-related topic."

https://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/maillist/maillist.php

Making things more clear might clean things up and also eliminate the
incessant "gatekeeping" which is arguably much more annoying than off-topic
posts.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:34 AM Tucker McGuire via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
> not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
> commercial GEO's.
>
> ---Tucker
>    W4FS
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >  I am too, Bob!  I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> > "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".  I say, "If you don't like it,
> > press [Delete] and move on".
> >
> > Ev
> >
> >     On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >  I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
> > throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great educational
> > opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
> > technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> KB1PVH
> > via AMSAT-BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
> >
> >  EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
> > other than it being someone's pipedream?
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > > Scroll down.
> > >
> > > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> > >
> > > KC9SGV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From mountain.michelle at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 17:56:58 2019
From: mountain.michelle at gmail.com (Michelle Thompson)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 10:56:58 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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This Echostar experiment enables amateur radio legacy mode aggregation,
which is a technology presented at AMSAT-NA symposium twice, JAMSAT
symposium, and has been published in several other national and
international amateur radio journals.

This idea has been publicly supported by FEMA as well as by ARRL. It?s also
going to be fun to use.

So, yes, it?s solidly amateur radio related. Any supporting technology
discussions, like dishes and feeds, are also relevant to amateur radio.
There?s a lot that needs to be built and tested.

This particular project is in addition to two other
amateur-all-the-way-up-and-down GEO projects that are moving forward pretty
darn well.

I am here to remove roadblocks and make things happen. All are welcome to
collaborate and contribute.

-mdt


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:36 Tucker McGuire via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
> not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
> commercial GEO's.
>
> ---Tucker
>    W4FS
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >  I am too, Bob!  I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> > "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".  I say, "If you don't like it,
> > press [Delete] and move on".
> >
> > Ev
> >
> >     On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >  I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
> > throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great educational
> > opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
> > technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> KB1PVH
> > via AMSAT-BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
> >
> >  EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
> > other than it being someone's pipedream?
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > > Scroll down.
> > >
> > > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> > >
> > > KC9SGV
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > expressed
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-- 
-Michelle W5NYV

"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 23 18:07:53 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
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 Perhaps those who are uninterested in advancing their technical abilities and knowledge should just press [Delete] and move on.
"H8rs gonna H8" and "Makers gonna make".
Bravo, Michelle!Ev, W2EV


    On Friday, August 23, 2019, 1:58:11 PM EDT, Alex Free - N7AGF via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Perhaps the "mission statement" on the mailing list page should be updated.

Right now it states:? "The purpose of this mailing list is to provide a
forum for general discussion of any satellite-related topic."

https://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/maillist/maillist.php

Making things more clear might clean things up and also eliminate the
incessant "gatekeeping" which is arguably much more annoying than off-topic
posts.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:34 AM Tucker McGuire via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
> not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
> commercial GEO's.
>
> ---Tucker
>? ? W4FS
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >? I am too, Bob!? I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> > "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".? I say, "If you don't like it,
> > press [Delete] and move on".
> >
> > Ev
> >
> >? ? On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >? I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
> > throw-away Dish network dishes for something.? It's a great educational
> > opportunity.? I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
> > technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> KB1PVH
> > via AMSAT-BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
> >
> >? EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur satellites
> > other than it being someone's pipedream?
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some Echostar 9,? 12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > > Scroll down.
> > >
> > > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> > >
> > > KC9SGV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Aug 23 18:59:59 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 10:59:59 -0800
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
Message-ID: <201908231900.x7NJ0GgY025501@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>


Bob and all:

A good source of info on using ku-band TVRO LNA's for ham use on 
10-GHz is from several eme hams who use them.  My guess the LNA's are 
broadbanded that requires no modification of tuned input ckts to 
operate at 10-GHz.  Since you application may be on the original 
sat-TV band frequency they may perform optimally.  I am not sure if 
they also downconvert to an IF.  My experience was with C-band sat-TV 
which used LNB's to amplify 3400-3750 MHz and downconvert to 950-1400 MHz.

GL with exploring ham use of Echostar-9.

I have plans to build a 10-MHz eme station using my 1.8m surplus 
off-set feed sat-TV dish (used starting in 1996 in AK on Direct-TV).

73, Ed - KL7UW
Not QRV for Leo sats

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:31:08 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
Message-ID: <df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all these
throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great educational
opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is interesting from a
technical perspective and I really love making stuff from cast-off stuff.

Bob, WB4APR


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Aug 23 21:51:41 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 17:51:41 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 Anomaly?
Message-ID: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>

The usual PSAT2 downlink stopped after 0809z today in a pass over SE USA.
Ground Stations are fine because its sister, USNAP1, is still downlinking
via the usual ground stations.
Both downlinks visible on http://aprs.org/sats.html

A cessation of our Amateur packet telemetry design has never happened in 18
years in space over 6 successful spacecraft other than the occasional low
power crash which is fixed after the next eclipse on the next pass or so.
But never a complete cessation.

Since the UHF side is independent,  we welcome folks to listen to the UHF
downlink 435.350 +/- Doppler and verify if that is working.  Remember, it
must be in daylight for the SSTV downlink to be on.

Fortunately we do have one report of an SSTV image at 1340z from Gustave
LW2DTZ.  If we have another confirmation that UHF has been heard, then we
can rule out a possible collision with space debris. (we get notificaitons
of near conjunctions passing within 500m about every day or so, but after 18
years we have come to ignore them.  Maybe this one hit?

And it was working so well!
Bob, WB4APR

From bruninga at usna.edu  Fri Aug 23 21:55:55 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 17:55:55 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>	<689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ea1bc471cd8d193152f45a59cc88d01@mail.gmail.com>

Hummh,
I guess then using GPS for other AMSAT applications are not welcome either
since GPS is also not in the ham bands?

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Tucker McGuire
via AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards

Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
commercial GEO's.

---Tucker
   W4FS

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

>  I am too, Bob!  I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".  I say, "If you don't like
> it, press [Delete] and move on".
>
> Ev
>
>     On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>  I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all
> these throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great
> educational opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is
> interesting from a technical perspective and I really love making stuff
from cast-off stuff.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> KB1PVH via AMSAT-BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
>
>  EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur
> satellites other than it being someone's pipedream?
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > Scroll down.
> >
> > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> >
> > KC9SGV
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri Aug 23 22:36:33 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:36:33 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
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	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
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Bob,

I don't think anyone has suggested that. Obviously GPS has some very
important applications for amateur satellites (and even connections to
AMSAT history - see the GPS experiment on AO-40 that influenced some
of the design of the Block III GPS satellites).

To me, the idea of amateurs purchasing commercial spectrum is a
terrible idea that establishes a very poor precedent. We have billions
of dollars worth of our own spectrum to utilize for our communications
experiments. Rather than renting commercial spectrum let's devote our
limited resources towards the AMSAT GOLF program, for a sustainable
path to high orbits utilizing microwave bands, software defined
transponders, and other cutting edge technologies. For even more of a
technical challenge, we have the prospect of amateur radio on Lunar
Gateway.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:56 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Hummh,
> I guess then using GPS for other AMSAT applications are not welcome either
> since GPS is also not in the ham bands?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Tucker McGuire
> via AMSAT-BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
>
> Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
> not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
> commercial GEO's.
>
> ---Tucker
>    W4FS
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >  I am too, Bob!  I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> > "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".  I say, "If you don't like
> > it, press [Delete] and move on".
> >
> > Ev
> >
> >     On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >  I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all
> > these throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great
> > educational opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is
> > interesting from a technical perspective and I really love making stuff
> from cast-off stuff.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> > KB1PVH via AMSAT-BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
> >
> >  EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur
> > satellites other than it being someone's pipedream?
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > > Scroll down.
> > >
> > > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> > >
> > > KC9SGV
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> > the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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From k.swaggart at charter.net  Fri Aug 23 23:49:28 2019
From: k.swaggart at charter.net (k.swaggart at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 16:49:28 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] G-5500 az rotor failure
Message-ID: <018701d55a0d$67bc0e30$37342a90$@charter.net>

The problem turned out to be a loose setscrew at the motor. Easy fix, but
took about four hours to reassemble the rotor so the limit switch was
tripped correctly and then get the antennas reattached. Anyway, back in
business.

 

I took quite a few photos of the az rotor disassembly and I'll add them to
my G5500 page within the next few days:

http://www.ocrg.org/W7KKE/rotor/rotor.html

 

73,

Ken, W7KKE

 

From: k.swaggart at charter.net <k.swaggart at charter.net> 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 10:39
To: AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb at amsat.org) <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: G-5500 az rotor failure

 

This morning I found my G-5500 will not move left or right. Not even a
wiggle. Took some measurements and the wiring appears to be intact but I
don't understand the 40 Vac readings when the rotor is connected to the
control box. Here are my readings taken at the control box end of the
wiring:

 

Rotor connected to control box:

Common (pin 6) to Left (pin 4)  Press Left: 28 Vac  Right: 40 Vac

Common (pin 6) to Right (pin 5) Press Left: 40 Vac  Right: 28 Vac

 

Rotor disconnected. Measuring control box terminals:

Pin 6 to 4  Press Left: 29.5 Vac  Press right: 0

Pin 6 to 5 Press Left: 0  Press Right: 29.5 Vac

 

Measuring rotor cable at control box, disconnected from box:

6 (brown) to 4 (blue) 5.3 Ohms

6 (brown) to 5 (orange) 5.3 Ohms

4 (blue) to 5 (orange) 8.9 Ohms

 

Any suggestions before I pull the rotor off the mast?

 

73,

Ken, W7KKE

 

 

 


From robert.machale at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 23 23:54:24 2019
From: robert.machale at yahoo.com (Robert MacHale)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 23:54:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] G-5500 az rotor failure
In-Reply-To: <018701d55a0d$67bc0e30$37342a90$@charter.net>
References: <018701d55a0d$67bc0e30$37342a90$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <815315654.2183412.1566604464531@mail.yahoo.com>

Great News! Glad to hear.
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration

 

    On Friday, August 23, 2019, 4:51:23 PM PDT, Ken Swaggart W7KKE via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 The problem turned out to be a loose setscrew at the motor. Easy fix, but
took about four hours to reassemble the rotor so the limit switch was
tripped correctly and then get the antennas reattached. Anyway, back in
business.

 

I took quite a few photos of the az rotor disassembly and I'll add them to
my G5500 page within the next few days:

http://www.ocrg.org/W7KKE/rotor/rotor.html

 

73,

Ken, W7KKE

 

From: k.swaggart at charter.net <k.swaggart at charter.net> 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 10:39
To: AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb at amsat.org) <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: G-5500 az rotor failure

 

This morning I found my G-5500 will not move left or right. Not even a
wiggle. Took some measurements and the wiring appears to be intact but I
don't understand the 40 Vac readings when the rotor is connected to the
control box. Here are my readings taken at the control box end of the
wiring:

 

Rotor connected to control box:

Common (pin 6) to Left (pin 4)? Press Left: 28 Vac? Right: 40 Vac

Common (pin 6) to Right (pin 5) Press Left: 40 Vac? Right: 28 Vac

 

Rotor disconnected. Measuring control box terminals:

Pin 6 to 4? Press Left: 29.5 Vac? Press right: 0

Pin 6 to 5 Press Left: 0? Press Right: 29.5 Vac

 

Measuring rotor cable at control box, disconnected from box:

6 (brown) to 4 (blue) 5.3 Ohms

6 (brown) to 5 (orange) 5.3 Ohms

4 (blue) to 5 (orange) 8.9 Ohms

 

Any suggestions before I pull the rotor off the mast?

 

73,

Ken, W7KKE

 

 

 

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From scott23192 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 23:54:26 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:54:26 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 Anomaly?
In-Reply-To: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZt5y99ZLAP=c01dC+CcM_q2-fVPQeaHdh_7BXnUxnFoA@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing heard on 2m, Bob, but good copy on PSAT-2's 70cm SSTV downlink 2349
UTC.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/shbail5ai2t8ghs/psat2-sstv.png?raw=1

-Scott,  K4KDR

======================

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:53 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The usual PSAT2 downlink stopped after 0809z today in a pass over SE USA.
> Ground Stations are fine because its sister, USNAP1, is still downlinking
> via the usual ground stations.
> Both downlinks visible on http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> A cessation of our Amateur packet telemetry design has never happened in 18
> years in space over 6 successful spacecraft other than the occasional low
> power crash which is fixed after the next eclipse on the next pass or so.
> But never a complete cessation.
>
> Since the UHF side is independent,  we welcome folks to listen to the UHF
> downlink 435.350 +/- Doppler and verify if that is working.  Remember, it
> must be in daylight for the SSTV downlink to be on.
>
> Fortunately we do have one report of an SSTV image at 1340z from Gustave
> LW2DTZ.  If we have another confirmation that UHF has been heard, then we
> can rule out a possible collision with space debris. (we get notificaitons
> of near conjunctions passing within 500m about every day or so, but after
> 18
> years we have come to ignore them.  Maybe this one hit?
>
> And it was working so well!
> Bob, WB4APR
>

From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 00:14:37 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 20:14:37 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
In-Reply-To: <4ea1bc471cd8d193152f45a59cc88d01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF6B7D11-5EB0-43CE-85B0-8D42CC205B47@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9FcchsKqeNyykHLGK3j0z3pXaDi1K3n+k_RQ7Am+ygEajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<df6594fa700d9fd2b5645815a35c16f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<689784226.900634.1566576330103@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+gmQJQd1-WBNTJYUyiURk7ZbKx9hRSJ=T4rzMW2a6Ogsjob9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ea1bc471cd8d193152f45a59cc88d01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABsMmtRG4CGkssYnVg_K8r7NiEw4djNXYBqifYwqnoAVhe3EUw@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I do wish everyone would take the weekend off, take big breath and remember
this is a hobby.  I think all of the back and forth and jabs at each other
have probably gone on long enough.

73

John

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:58 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Hummh,
> I guess then using GPS for other AMSAT applications are not welcome either
> since GPS is also not in the ham bands?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Tucker McGuire
> via AMSAT-BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
>
> Except, this is a bulletin for amateur radio satellites, which echostar is
> not. Maybe go find a commercial sat fan page if you want to talk about
> commercial GEO's.
>
> ---Tucker
>    W4FS
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
>
> >  I am too, Bob!  I'm amazed how many people feel compelled to tell
> > "accomplishers" that they "do it wrong".  I say, "If you don't like
> > it, press [Delete] and move on".
> >
> > Ev
> >
> >     On Friday, August 23, 2019, 09:46:10 AM EDT, Robert Bruninga via
> > AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >  I actually am excited about the prospect of using LNA's from all
> > these throw-away Dish network dishes for something.  It's a great
> > educational opportunity.  I am happy to tune in anything that is
> > interesting from a technical perspective and I really love making stuff
> from cast-off stuff.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Dave Webb
> > KB1PVH via AMSAT-BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Echostar 9 test cards
> >
> >  EXACTLY how do these posts about Echostar 9 relate to amateur
> > satellites other than it being someone's pipedream?
> >
> > Dave-KB1PVH
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 AM KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some Echostar 9,  12 GHz TV channels and test cards are shown here.
> > > Scroll down.
> > >
> > > https://www.lyngsat.com/EchoStar-9-Galaxy-23.html
> > >
> > > KC9SGV
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From scott23192 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 00:26:27 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 20:26:27 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 Anomaly?
In-Reply-To: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZUAcXHvmG3oEgU9JztEUv0PD10XF7PJfd3xNs1g8_8Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of 70cm PSAT downlinks, as luck would have it both NO-84 & NO-104
were in range at the same time on that pass:

https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/1165057130870837253

-Scott,  K4KDR

========================

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:53 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The usual PSAT2 downlink stopped after 0809z today in a pass over SE USA.
> Ground Stations are fine because its sister, USNAP1, is still downlinking
> via the usual ground stations.
> Both downlinks visible on http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> A cessation of our Amateur packet telemetry design has never happened in 18
> years in space over 6 successful spacecraft other than the occasional low
> power crash which is fixed after the next eclipse on the next pass or so.
> But never a complete cessation.
>
> Since the UHF side is independent,  we welcome folks to listen to the UHF
> downlink 435.350 +/- Doppler and verify if that is working.  Remember, it
> must be in daylight for the SSTV downlink to be on.
>
> Fortunately we do have one report of an SSTV image at 1340z from Gustave
> LW2DTZ.  If we have another confirmation that UHF has been heard, then we
> can rule out a possible collision with space debris. (we get notificaitons
> of near conjunctions passing within 500m about every day or so, but after
> 18
> years we have come to ignore them.  Maybe this one hit?
>
> And it was working so well!
> Bob, WB4APR
>

From ke6blr.robert at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 01:02:09 2019
From: ke6blr.robert at gmail.com (KE6BLR Robert)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:02:09 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 Anomaly?
In-Reply-To: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABaTVVYQPeJhr2s8jbJGkMd78dD_L_o1hgBi5GtjBJL=UuFjnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any type of auto reset that occurs on PSAT2 after a week or so?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:53 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> The usual PSAT2 downlink stopped after 0809z today in a pass over SE USA.
> Ground Stations are fine because its sister, USNAP1, is still downlinking
> via the usual ground stations.
> Both downlinks visible on http://aprs.org/sats.html
>
> A cessation of our Amateur packet telemetry design has never happened in 18
> years in space over 6 successful spacecraft other than the occasional low
> power crash which is fixed after the next eclipse on the next pass or so.
> But never a complete cessation.
>
> Since the UHF side is independent,  we welcome folks to listen to the UHF
> downlink 435.350 +/- Doppler and verify if that is working.  Remember, it
> must be in daylight for the SSTV downlink to be on.
>
> Fortunately we do have one report of an SSTV image at 1340z from Gustave
> LW2DTZ.  If we have another confirmation that UHF has been heard, then we
> can rule out a possible collision with space debris. (we get notificaitons
> of near conjunctions passing within 500m about every day or so, but after
> 18
> years we have come to ignore them.  Maybe this one hit?
>
> And it was working so well!
> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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From bruninga at usna.edu  Sat Aug 24 01:23:25 2019
From: bruninga at usna.edu (Robert Bruninga)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 21:23:25 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 Anomaly?
In-Reply-To: <CABaTVVYQPeJhr2s8jbJGkMd78dD_L_o1hgBi5GtjBJL=UuFjnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e9c21372a432e31f91f18c22b9c208ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABaTVVYQPeJhr2s8jbJGkMd78dD_L_o1hgBi5GtjBJL=UuFjnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALdCfNKbbJSFrvETkqKsd6S2b8TjgbqGz=HR3rp4aZWtQjOLPg@mail.gmail.com>

>  Is there any type of auto reset that occurs on PSAT2 after a week or so?

Yes, power is cycled to the TNC if there is more than one minute since the
PTT was keyed.  That has always made sure that if it ever stops
transmitting, it will automatically get a powercycle reset.  That is why we
have never seen any of my satellites not transmit (if it has power)...

Then there is the automatic 8 day time-out hardware reset.
And finally, there is the backdoor firecode reset.  We will try that
tomorrow.
But if the 1 minute power-cycle reset is not bringing it back, then I
cannot imagine how any of the others will...

Bob


> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:53 PM Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> The usual PSAT2 downlink stopped after 0809z today in a pass over SE USA.
>> Ground Stations are fine because its sister, USNAP1, is still downlinking
>> via the usual ground stations.
>> Both downlinks visible on http://aprs.org/sats.html
>>
>> A cessation of our Amateur packet telemetry design has never happened in
>> 18
>> years in space over 6 successful spacecraft other than the occasional low
>> power crash which is fixed after the next eclipse on the next pass or so.
>> But never a complete cessation.
>>
>> Since the UHF side is independent,  we welcome folks to listen to the UHF
>> downlink 435.350 +/- Doppler and verify if that is working.  Remember, it
>> must be in daylight for the SSTV downlink to be on.
>>
>> Fortunately we do have one report of an SSTV image at 1340z from Gustave
>> LW2DTZ.  If we have another confirmation that UHF has been heard, then we
>> can rule out a possible collision with space debris. (we get notificaitons
>> of near conjunctions passing within 500m about every day or so, but after
>> 18
>> years we have come to ignore them.  Maybe this one hit?
>>
>> And it was working so well!
>> Bob, WB4APR
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>

From kb2ysi at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 12:26:03 2019
From: kb2ysi at gmail.com (Don KB2YSI)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 08:26:03 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] ADIF to gridmap program
In-Reply-To: <CAPFr_UkJuBxfcyr5k8+fqjMdbm+dDEcXLvqCC+qFKZbPc_jk-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008501d55862$15579bc0$4006d340$@net>
	<CAPFr_UkJuBxfcyr5k8+fqjMdbm+dDEcXLvqCC+qFKZbPc_jk-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJiE8NDsob=LxUE837mnSCcW+vyJhohmtLf=PdKwr3CoByohw@mail.gmail.com>

A few other options,

Cloudlog: https://github.com/magicbug/Cloudlog

Typically used for FT8, GridTracker (https://tagloomis.com) can use an ADIF
and plot worked grids.

I have not messed with it in a while, but it was there last time I used it.



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 18:49 KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> The one I have seen multiple people use is GCMWin...
>
> The link is a guide on how to use it.
> http://kd8ksn.blogspot.com/p/gcmwin-instructions.html
>
>
> You can also use a Excel document if you are mostly worried about keeping
> track of 488
> https://ke4al.wordpress.com/2019/07/31/gridmaster-map-v2-3/
>
> This just needs a copy and paste from your VUCC Awards page to display
> worked grids.
>
> Example of output = https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ/status/1160766752222879745
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:51 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> > I've decided to try and work on my  Grids worked from this location. To
> do
> > so I'm going to have to deal with the FM birds. I'm trying to keep this
> as
> > painless as possible so I'm looking for an ADIF to gridsquare map
> program.
> > A program that will input an ADIF file and map out what grids are needed
> > and
> > what are already worked graphically. A quick google shows there are
> several
> > available, what one's are recommended ? Thanks for any useful input.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Jeff kb2m
> >
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>
>
> --
>
>
> Casey Tucker  KI7UNJ
> AMSAT Ambassador
> https://twitter.com/KI7UNJ
> https://www.qrz.com/db/KI7UNJ
> http://bit.do/ki7unj
> <
> https://www.google.com/url?q=http://bit.do/ki7unj&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1521073499558000&usg=AFQjCNFcQLn6C9nmmvpQiBbD6XvN-QjKug
> >
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From marty.schuette at siu.edu  Sat Aug 24 15:30:39 2019
From: marty.schuette at siu.edu (Schuette, Martin A)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:30:39 +0000
Subject: [amsat-bb] TO5M St. Pierre & Miquelon logs - recordings needed
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB6585014DEE5DAF94788ACF709FA70@DM6PR07MB6585.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hello sat ops,

I've been helping Chris VO1IDX figure out his logs for his activation of St. Pierre & Miquelon.
The currently entered logs are online at https://clublog.org/charts/?c=to5m
Sadly Chris had some issues with his audio recorder while on, and also after getting back from, the island.

So anyways, if you had a QSO with TO5M on SO-50, AO-85, AO-91, or AO-92, and your callsign is not listed in the log, please shoot VO1IDX an email. If you have a recording of any passes of these birds between August 13th and August 18th, where St. Pierre would have been in the footprint , shoot us both an email.

73,

Marty Schuette N9EAT

From yui.tsukuba at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 16:07:57 2019
From: yui.tsukuba at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?562R5rOi5aSn5a2m44CM57WQ44CN44OX44Ot44K444Kn44Kv44OI?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 01:07:57 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] We need your ideas for D-ATV
Message-ID: <CAFHw2abEOQOz0Y7RqXswTZF03bA7h_bKm=ozJFRyJuuEuEM8GQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Amsat-bb

My name is Takehiro Okamoto, student leader of University of Tsukuba YUI
project in Japan.

The purpose of this e-mail is to collect ideas for D-ATV.

We plan to downlink D-ATV from our 2U CubeSat, similar to HamTV from ISS.

So please give us your ideas from this forms
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSezW78TQFH1edn6e78gAlPKT7WKezwes6hG6LxcoSw6rtRVbg/viewform?usp=sf_link>
.

We are looking forward to your ideas.

YUI project
Takehiro Okamoto

???????????????????????
University of Tsukuba YUI project
HP?http://yui.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp/
Twitter?@yui_tsukuba
???????????????????????

From royldean at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 16:23:29 2019
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:23:29 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
Message-ID: <CADGPg2sSd6=M_MYQhvOfsysr7qTHv3OjMMJMN0MkbLYS-p+_pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

I'm hoping for some suggestions to help me "get in" to AO-7 mode B.

So far, my experience is as follows (on any pass, regardless of elevation):
No matter what my output setting is on my IC-706MKIIG, I can only just
barely get into the transponder.   Even on a good day, when I am seeing
multiple strong CW and SSB QSO's happening on the waterfall, my uplink can
only just barely be seen, let alone heard.   The 706MKIIG ouputs 20W on
UHF, and checking with a wattmeter - it seems to be spot on (using FM -
could SSB be performing differently?).   I've hooked up my M2 UHF cross
yagi to an SWR meter, and it comes in at less than 1.5.   I can get into
all the other linears with relative ease.

My UHF crossed dipole is supposed to be RHCP (if I connected everything
correctly), and I believe that the 70cm Rx antenna on AO-7 is also CP,
correct?   But is it RH or LH?    And does anybody know of a RHCP UHF
downlink on a satellite that I can use to to positively confirm my UHF
cross yagi polarization?

Any other suggestions welcome.

FYI - I am using an RTL-SDR.com V3 dongle on receive, with GQRX controlled
by Gpredict - this setup actually works pretty well for me on all the other
linears, believe it or not!   I am positive that this is NOT an Rx issue on
my end because I can see other strong QSOs in the waterfall - just not my
own.   So I believe this is an issue with my Tx.

--Roy
K3RLD

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sat Aug 24 16:40:05 2019
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:40:05 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
In-Reply-To: <CADGPg2sSd6=M_MYQhvOfsysr7qTHv3OjMMJMN0MkbLYS-p+_pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADGPg2sSd6=M_MYQhvOfsysr7qTHv3OjMMJMN0MkbLYS-p+_pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D82C9E5-F5D4-4D00-9C13-FFC4D7BDB2D6@mindspring.com>

Do you see the other strong signals while you are transmitting as well?

73, Drew KO4MA

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I'm hoping for some suggestions to help me "get in" to AO-7 mode B.
> 
> So far, my experience is as follows (on any pass, regardless of elevation):
> No matter what my output setting is on my IC-706MKIIG, I can only just
> barely get into the transponder.   Even on a good day, when I am seeing
> multiple strong CW and SSB QSO's happening on the waterfall, my uplink can
> only just barely be seen, let alone heard.   The 706MKIIG ouputs 20W on
> UHF, and checking with a wattmeter - it seems to be spot on (using FM -
> could SSB be performing differently?).   I've hooked up my M2 UHF cross
> yagi to an SWR meter, and it comes in at less than 1.5.   I can get into
> all the other linears with relative ease.
> 
> My UHF crossed dipole is supposed to be RHCP (if I connected everything
> correctly), and I believe that the 70cm Rx antenna on AO-7 is also CP,
> correct?   But is it RH or LH?    And does anybody know of a RHCP UHF
> downlink on a satellite that I can use to to positively confirm my UHF
> cross yagi polarization?
> 
> Any other suggestions welcome.
> 
> FYI - I am using an RTL-SDR.com V3 dongle on receive, with GQRX controlled
> by Gpredict - this setup actually works pretty well for me on all the other
> linears, believe it or not!   I am positive that this is NOT an Rx issue on
> my end because I can see other strong QSOs in the waterfall - just not my
> own.   So I believe this is an issue with my Tx.
> 
> --Roy
> K3RLD
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From royldean at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 18:48:46 2019
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 14:48:46 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
Message-ID: <CADGPg2sP2B4xdj1vZe9xbr6QYMhcXdmZHzkHw2VSf9nGbyoGWg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.   I know that a strong uplink can overpower the transponder, so I
started on low power and worked my way all the way up to the high power
setting with almost no difference (at least that I could see).  Existing
QSO's saw no issues whatsoever during my Tx'ing.    We've got a 77deg pass
here in less than an hour, I'll try and get a screen grab of the waterfall
(maybe I'll record the whole passband).

--Roy
K3RLD


> Do you see the other strong signals while you are transmitting as well?
> 73, Drew KO4MA

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Sat Aug 24 19:19:23 2019
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:19:23 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
In-Reply-To: <CADGPg2sP2B4xdj1vZe9xbr6QYMhcXdmZHzkHw2VSf9nGbyoGWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADGPg2sP2B4xdj1vZe9xbr6QYMhcXdmZHzkHw2VSf9nGbyoGWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011501d55ab0$d6a63b60$83f2b220$@mindspring.com>

My thought was desense from your transmitter. What's the antenna setup? I
think I saw that answer on QRZ or somewhere, but don't recall.

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Roy Dean via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:49 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)

Yes.   I know that a strong uplink can overpower the transponder, so I
started on low power and worked my way all the way up to the high power
setting with almost no difference (at least that I could see).  Existing
QSO's saw no issues whatsoever during my Tx'ing.    We've got a 77deg pass
here in less than an hour, I'll try and get a screen grab of the waterfall
(maybe I'll record the whole passband).

--Roy
K3RLD


> Do you see the other strong signals while you are transmitting as well?
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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From lu7aa at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 24 19:53:45 2019
From: lu7aa at yahoo.com (Amsat Argentina)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 19:53:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Buoy & PicoBalloons on South Atlantic open seas
References: <1006694068.2403332.1566676425058.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1006694068.2403332.1566676425058@mail.yahoo.com>

AMSAT-LU is testing a South Atlantic Sea Buoy and 2 PicoBallons transmiting WSPR+APRS, objectives are courses analysis and strength of winds and sea currents as well as HF/VHF propagation and APRS satellites operation. The Sea Buoy launch is planned for January 2020.

Details/Pictures: http://amsat.org.ar?f=buoy ?
WSPR live Track: http://lu7aa.org.ar/wspr.asp
PicoBalloons forecast: http://lu7aa.org.ar/pronostico.asp 

>From now on transmitting on HF/VHF/Satellite at Buenos Aires. We appreciate your reception.

73, LU7AA, AMSAT Argentina
 
|  | Libre de virus. www.avg.com  |


From chibill110 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 17:40:11 2019
From: chibill110 at gmail.com (Bill Gaylord)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 12:40:11 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
In-Reply-To: <6D82C9E5-F5D4-4D00-9C13-FFC4D7BDB2D6@mindspring.com>
References: <CADGPg2sSd6=M_MYQhvOfsysr7qTHv3OjMMJMN0MkbLYS-p+_pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D82C9E5-F5D4-4D00-9C13-FFC4D7BDB2D6@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <FAA7AE9E-E75E-4113-9F1D-D2DB33993936@gmail.com>

Question is it possible to use the other mode? Or does it not work or something else?

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Do you see the other strong signals while you are transmitting as well?
> 
> 73, Drew KO4MA
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm hoping for some suggestions to help me "get in" to AO-7 mode B.
>> 
>> So far, my experience is as follows (on any pass, regardless of elevation):
>> No matter what my output setting is on my IC-706MKIIG, I can only just
>> barely get into the transponder.   Even on a good day, when I am seeing
>> multiple strong CW and SSB QSO's happening on the waterfall, my uplink can
>> only just barely be seen, let alone heard.   The 706MKIIG ouputs 20W on
>> UHF, and checking with a wattmeter - it seems to be spot on (using FM -
>> could SSB be performing differently?).   I've hooked up my M2 UHF cross
>> yagi to an SWR meter, and it comes in at less than 1.5.   I can get into
>> all the other linears with relative ease.
>> 
>> My UHF crossed dipole is supposed to be RHCP (if I connected everything
>> correctly), and I believe that the 70cm Rx antenna on AO-7 is also CP,
>> correct?   But is it RH or LH?    And does anybody know of a RHCP UHF
>> downlink on a satellite that I can use to to positively confirm my UHF
>> cross yagi polarization?
>> 
>> Any other suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> FYI - I am using an RTL-SDR.com V3 dongle on receive, with GQRX controlled
>> by Gpredict - this setup actually works pretty well for me on all the other
>> linears, believe it or not!   I am positive that this is NOT an Rx issue on
>> my end because I can see other strong QSOs in the waterfall - just not my
>> own.   So I believe this is an issue with my Tx.
>> 
>> --Roy
>> K3RLD
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
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From w7lrd at comcast.net  Sat Aug 24 20:33:43 2019
From: w7lrd at comcast.net (73 Bob W7LRD)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Doppler.SQF files
Message-ID: <968562869.97147.1566678824007@connect.xfinity.com>



From w7lrd at comcast.net  Sat Aug 24 20:36:42 2019
From: w7lrd at comcast.net (73 Bob W7LRD)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [amsat-bb] doppler sqf files
Message-ID: <1790966815.97176.1566679003139@connect.xfinity.com>

where can I find a listing of all the doppler sqf files for our sats?

73 Bob W7LRD

From ka3hsw at att.net  Sat Aug 24 21:01:46 2019
From: ka3hsw at att.net (George Henry)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:01:46 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] doppler sqf files
In-Reply-To: <1790966815.97176.1566679003139@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1790966815.97176.1566679003139@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <16D56069257341AA80209CF2647CE921@RadioRoomPC>

Everyone's doppler.sqf file is likely different, depending on which
satellites they are interested in/equipped for, and their uplink
calibrations will likely be different from yours. You build your own file
that suits your interests and equipment.  Start with the one that comes with
SatPC32, and go from there. 

There is no "master" doppler file anywhere that I am aware of.

73,
KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of 73 Bob W7LRD
via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:37 PM
To: amsat-bb
Subject: [amsat-bb] doppler sqf files

where can I find a listing of all the doppler sqf files for our sats?

73 Bob W7LRD



From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 21:33:42 2019
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 17:33:42 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] doppler sqf files
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYtoxVVKiKtNBwpsUq7P8-CJTCD8y2kahjVTGiq_8DYDAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob!
I use Nader's ST2NH's Dopppler .SQF file I found on his website when I
first setup SATPC32. This one is about 1 year old so your gonna have to
edit some of the new satellites and modes in but this will do the majority
of the work for you!
http://st2nh-blogger.blogspot.com/2018/10/dopplersqf-for-satpc32.html?spref=tw

73 Nick KE8AKW

From royldean at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 22:01:52 2019
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 18:01:52 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
Message-ID: <CADGPg2sSo2JqnjPhH3Rg11J2Ghfqg1aVGe+1U5N23W+hJGAC1A@mail.gmail.com>

M2 Leo pack on standard cross boom, G5400b.   ARR pre-amps and MFJ
diplexers, LMR240 and 240UF feedlines.

https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/ao-7-tx-power.668185/

This thread has most of the details, as well as a screen grab of this
afternoon's attempt.   I'm wondering if I am actually getting in just fine,
but the RTL-SDR dongle is just too pathetic to pick it up.   But if that's
the case, then it would mean that the other signals are blasting into the
transponder.   Did anybody have a qso stomped on this afternoon by "K3RLD
testing"?

--Roy
K3RLD


> My thought was desense from your transmitter. What's the antenna setup? I
> think I saw that answer on QRZ or somewhere, but don't recall. 73, Drew
> KO4MA

From scott23192 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 22:27:20 2019
From: scott23192 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 18:27:20 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode B Questions (difficulty getting in)
In-Reply-To: <CADGPg2sSo2JqnjPhH3Rg11J2Ghfqg1aVGe+1U5N23W+hJGAC1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADGPg2sSo2JqnjPhH3Rg11J2Ghfqg1aVGe+1U5N23W+hJGAC1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCSnOZBh213FmPa2zsAnkGZWFn_W1yT44n1zo-1n1r_mdQ21w@mail.gmail.com>

After seeing your post, I setup for this afternoon's AO-7 pass.  However,
perhaps more than the other voice sats, I've found that there is a LOT of
variation between passes with how well I hear AO-7.  Sometimes I've caught
conditions where the downlink was extremely strong and sometimes I can
barely receive it.

Today's pass was the latter... I think I only heard 2 stations well enough
to copy their entire call sign.  Saw my signal several times, but if I had
tried to make a contact it would have had to have been a quick one.   I
didn't try since my uplink would have been so difficult for anyone to copy.

So, if my reception accurately depicts what conditions were for this
afternoon's pass, I don't think it was a good one to pass any judgements
about how your setup is working.  One of these passes when it's like 2m
simplex from someone in the same room will be a lot more helpful.  Just
have to get lucky and catch one of those.  They're a lot of fun when they
happen!

-Scott,  K4KDR

======================

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:03 PM Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> M2 Leo pack on standard cross boom, G5400b.   ARR pre-amps and MFJ
> diplexers, LMR240 and 240UF feedlines.
>
> https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/ao-7-tx-power.668185/
>
> This thread has most of the details, as well as a screen grab of this
> afternoon's attempt.   I'm wondering if I am actually getting in just fine,
> but the RTL-SDR dongle is just too pathetic to pick it up.   But if that's
> the case, then it would mean that the other signals are blasting into the
> transponder.   Did anybody have a qso stomped on this afternoon by "K3RLD
> testing"?
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
>
>
> > My thought was desense from your transmitter. What's the antenna setup? I
> > think I saw that answer on QRZ or somewhere, but don't recall. 73, Drew
> > KO4MA
>

From corlissbs at aol.com  Sat Aug 24 23:36:07 2019
From: corlissbs at aol.com (Brad Smith)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 23:36:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Friends of 50 Award
References: <854697162.1199642.1566689767983.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <854697162.1199642.1566689767983@mail.yahoo.com>

Has anyone actually received their Amsat Friends of 50 Award? I submitted a few months ago, but no award has arrived. Just wondering? Brad Smith KC9UQR


From ke4al at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 25 00:31:16 2019
From: ke4al at yahoo.com (Robert Bankston)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 00:31:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Friends of 50 Award
In-Reply-To: <854697162.1199642.1566689767983@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <854697162.1199642.1566689767983.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<854697162.1199642.1566689767983@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1028805122.2447624.1566693076807@mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the delay.? I just got the certificates signed and will be sending them out in the mail this coming week.
73,
Robert Bankston, KE4ALVice-President, User ServicesRadio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)
Twitter:? @KE4ALabamaWebsite:? KE4AL.wordpress.com 

    On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 06:37:00 PM CDT, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 Has anyone actually received their Amsat Friends of 50 Award? I submitted a few months ago, but no award has arrived. Just wondering? Brad Smith KC9UQR

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From ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp  Sun Aug 25 00:26:18 2019
From: ei7m-wkt at asahi-net.or.jp (Mineo Wakita)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 09:26:18 +0900
Subject: [amsat-bb] doppler sqf files
Message-ID: <EBCADFB3904B4C269D504D1AA822E7F2@je9pel>

This update file is at the top of my site.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/satslist.htm

JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita


From chibill110 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 25 00:56:26 2019
From: chibill110 at gmail.com (Bill Gaylord)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 19:56:26 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
Message-ID: <DF1B4A87-441B-4993-BE98-A04F6071CD3A@gmail.com>

 Hello, I am trying to collect information about AO-6. The reasons for this is much like AO-7 it (according to what I could find) due to a battery issue. Which means there may be a possibility of it coming back to life eventually like AO-7. (Depending on how it was hooked up internally.) 


I was wondering if anyone knew it?s the frequencies used by it or if any documentation about its internals exist. (Like to actually know if it was setup in a way that allowed it to come back.)


Thanks,
William Gaylord  

From n1uw at gokarns.com  Sun Aug 25 00:57:49 2019
From: n1uw at gokarns.com (Frank Karnauskas)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 19:57:49 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-237 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletin
Message-ID: <000401d55ae0$1e7843f0$5b68cbd0$@gokarns.com>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-237

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and 
information service of AMSAT North America, The Radio
Amateur Satellite Corporation.  ANS publishes news related to Amateur
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The news feed on http://amsat.org publishes news of Amateur Radio 
in space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
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In this edition:
 
* Second Call for AMSAT 2019 Symposium Papers
* Volunteer Opportunity: ANS Rotating Editors Needed
* American Communications Committee Guards 5GHz and 47 GHZ Bands
* SatNOGS Basics to be Featured at 2019 ARRL-TAPR Conference
* New French CEPT paper still seeks 144-146 MHz for Aeronautical
* Another Threat to the Amateur Radio 23cm Band 
* New 144-146 Web SDR at Goonhilly Available
* AMSAT-LU Announces Marine Buoy Testing and Tracking Project
* Upcoming Satellite Operations
* ARISS News
* Satellite Shorts from All Over

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AMSAT News Service Bulletin 237.01
>From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
August 25, 2019
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Second Call for AMSAT 2019 Symposium Papers

This is the second call for papers for the 2019 AMSAT-NA Annual 
Meeting and Space Symposium to be held on October 18-20 at the 
Hilton Arlington, 950 North Stafford Street, Arlington, Virginia. 

Proposals for papers, symposium presentations, and poster 
presentations are invited on any topic of interest to the amateur 
satellite community. We request a tentative title of your 
presentation as soon as possible, with final copy to be submitted by 
September 23 for inclusion in the printed proceedings. Abstracts 
and papers should be sent to Dan Schultz at n8fgv at amsat dot org. 

[ANS thanks Dan Schultz, N8FGV for the above information.]

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    The July/August edition of Apogee View, a comprehensive
   update on AMSAT's activities by AMSAT President Joe Spier,
        K6WAO, has been posted to the AMSAT website at:
                https://www.amsat.org/apogeeview/

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Volunteer Opportunity: ANS Rotating Editors Needed

If you're open to volunteering to help AMSAT this is your chance!
We have openings for a few volunteers willing to help as an AMSAT
News Service rotating editor.

Our editors work on a rotating schedule with each taking turns as
the current week's news editor. Using input received from members,
the amateur radio community, officers, plus our other editors your
job is to assemble the AMSAT News Service bulletin for your week.
(A template is provided to help you format the message.)

If you can help contact our Senior News Service Editor, Mark Johns,
K0JM via his e-mail: k0jm at amsat dot org.

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American Communications Committee Guards 5GHz and 47 GHZ Bands

CITEL, the telecommunications committee of the Organization of 
American States, concluded a week of meetings on Friday, August 16 in 
Ottawa.

The meeting tries to establish common positions on agenda items which 
will be acted upon during the World Radiocommunication Conference 
(WRC-19) which begins on October 28 in Egypt.

Among the principal highlights of the week?s activities for Radio 
Amateurs:

For 5 GHz, twelve member states supported no change (NoC) to the 
existing allocations in 5725-5850 MHz and eighteen member states 
supported no change in the range 5850-5925 MHz as opposed to using 
these frequency ranges for higher-power and outdoor wireless access 
points.  The Amateur secondary allocation in Canada is 5650-5925 MHz.

Regarding 47 GHz, Amateurs were successful in having Mexico remove 
the frequency segment 47?47.2 GHz from their proposal to study 
several additional frequency ranges for the Fixed Satellite Service.  
Also, eleven member states supported no change (NoC) to the existing 
(Amateur Primary) allocation in 47?47.2 GHz.  Specifically, not to be 
considered for sharing with 5G international mobile telephony.

The French proposal to consider 144?146 MHz for sharing with the 
aeronautical mobile service was not on the CITEL agenda.  It will be 
considered next in a CEPT meeting in late August.

[ANS thanks Bryan Rawlings, VE3QN and AMSAT-UK for the above 
information.]

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         The digital download version of the 2019 edition of
    Getting Started with Amateur Satellites is now available as a 
       DRM-free PDF from the AMSAT Store.  Get yours today!
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SatNOGS Basics to be Featured at 2019 ARRL-TAPR Conference

Details on the current roster of presentations and speakers for the 
2019 ARRL-TAPR Digital Communications Conference (DCC) have been 
announced.  The conference takes place September 20 ? 22 at the 
Detroit Metro Airport Marriott Hotel.

Among the many topics announced, the Sunday Seminar will be ?Learn to 
build and operate your own SatNOGS ground station,? presented by 
Dan White, AD0CQ, and Corey Shields, KB9JHU. This seminar will be a 
hands-on, progressive tutorial, starting with the basics of a SatNOGS 
(Satellite Networked Open Ground Station) and ending with the 
development of telemetry decoders.

Familiarity with Linux and the Raspberry Pi platform is beneficial 
but not required. The presenters also will interact with SatNOGS web 
services and discuss other technologies in use such as Python, 
GNURadio, InfluxDB, Kaitai Structs, and Grafana. Participants should 
gain an understanding of how SatNOGS applications work, how to use 
them, and a basic familiarity with the technologies behind the scenes,

should they wish to contribute to the development of the project. 
Participants should bring a laptop and sign up for a free account.

See all the DCC topics announced at
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-DCC-Topics

[ANS thanks the ARRL for the above information.]

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New French CEPT paper still seeks 144-146 MHz for Aeronautical

The French administration has renewed its attack on the Amateur Radio 
144-146 MHz band ahead of a key CEPT ECC CPG meeting in Ankara, 
August 26-30.

In a paper to be considered at the conference the French 
Administration says it is not at this time seeking Primary status for 
the Aeronautical Mobile Service in 144-146 MHz, however, their 
intent is still that the Aeronautical Mobile Service should share 
the amateur 2 meter band.

It is clear where such sharing would inevitably lead, amateur 
operation in the band would only be tolerated if there were no 
interference to Aeronautical Mobile. Radio Amateurs might be subject 
to heavy restriction and low EIRP limits.

We can get on idea of France?s long term intent for 144 MHz from 
their attitude to the 1240-1300 MHz band. It was initially said the 
Galileo constellation could amicably share this allocation and 
amateur operation could continue but now France says ?unregulated use 
of the band 1240-1300 MHz by the amateur service is a serious source 
of harmful interference to RNSS receivers.?

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information.]

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Another Threat to the Amateur Radio 23cm Band

A joint paper by France, Lithuania, Malta, Slovenia and 
The Netherlands for the European Conference of Postal and 
Telecommunications Administrations (CEPT) Conference Preparatory 
Group (CPG) meeting on August 26-30, attacks the continued use by 
Radio Amateurs of its 1240-1300 MHz band.

This is the final CEPT CPG meeting in preparation for the ITU World 
Radiocommunication Conference 2019 (WRC-19) to be held October 28 to 
November 22. This conference will define the Agenda Items for WRC-23.

Paper AI10 ? Proposal on AS-RNSS says:
Galileo is close to full operational capability and its E6 signals in 
the band 1260-1300 MHz will support new services such as the free-to-
use Galileo High Accuracy Service, and also robust authentication, 
expected to be used by a variety of applications including autonomous 
vehicles and the Internet of Things (IoT).

Several cases of interference to Galileo E6 receivers from amateur 
service emissions have occurred in the recent past, sometimes at 
significant distance, and have taken several hours or even days to be 
eliminated. There is therefore a serious concern that as Galileo E6 
receivers are deployed and used more widely, cases of interference 
from amateur stations will rapidly grow in number.

A WRC-23 agenda item is necessary to address this issue because:

1. Unregulated use of the band 1240-1300 MHz by the amateur service 
is a serious source of harmful interference to RNSS receivers. This 
is demonstrated by experience.

2. The number of Galileo receivers in 1260-1300 MHz will increase 
dramatically, and interference cases will multiply if not addressed 
timely.

3. Galileo and other RNSS systems will deploy at global scale, and 
interference scenario between amateur emissions and RNSS receivers 
include cross-border cases. The issue is therefore of international 
nature and is to be addressed in the ITU framework.

4. Galileo is a major European asset, and a decision at WRC-23 is 
essential to be compatible with the road map of deployment of Galileo 
receivers in this band.

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information.]

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New 144-146 Web SDR at Goonhilly Available

AMSAT-UK and the British Amateur Television Club have announced the 
availability of a new 144-146 MHz Web-based Software Defined Radio 
installation at Goonhilly.

This is being provided in collaboration with Goonhilly Earth Station 
where it is kindly hosted alongside the existing receiving equipment 
for the amateur radio transponders on the Qatar-Oscar-100 
(QO-100/Es?hail-2) geostationary satellite.

It shares the same Turnstile antenna that is used for the reception 
of the AO73, EO88 & JO97 CubeSats.

Being located in the far South West of the UK, it is anticipated the 
SDR will be useful for early Acquisition of Signal (AOS) of 144 MHz 
downlinks from amateur satellites and the International Space 
Station (ISS). Additionally it can be used for reception of 
tropospheric signals from the south ? the Spanish beacon ED1ZAG on 
144.403 MHz has been already been heard on the system.

The new 144 MHz band WebSDR is available at 
https://vhf-goonhilly.batc.org.uk/

The AMSAT-UK / BATC 10 GHz WebSDR for QO-100 is still available at 
https://eshail.batc.org.uk/

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information.]

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AMSAT-LU Announces Marine Buoy Testing and Tracking Project

AMSAT-LU plans to test their marine buoy system on August 31 in the 
Lagoon of Pehuaj?. The city is 375 km from Buenos Aires and 500 km 
from Mar del Plata, Argentina. Operational nets are planned to be on 
144.930 MHz FM and 7.095 MHz LSB.

The buoy is powered with batteries and solar cells for long-term 
operation using APRS and WSPR transmissions:

WSPR 14095.6 MHz) 900 mW call sign LU7AA can be tracked at
http://lu7aa.org.ar/wspr.asp.

APRS call sign LU7AA-8 beacons every 2 minutes can be seen at
http://aprs.fi?call=lu7aa-8.

Solar power equipped super pressure balloons also transmitting WSPR 
packets are planned to be tested.

The buoy is planned for deployment in the Atlantic Ocean next summer. 
Land-based test transmissions from Buenos Aires are already 
operational.

AMSAT-LU has posted details at: Details: http://amsat.org.ar/?f=boya

[ANS thanks AMSAT-LU for the above information]

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Upcoming Satellite Operations

Help Celebrate AMSAT's 50th Anniversary with these "W3ZM on the Road"
Operations:

Call - Date - State - Grids - Operator - Mode
W3ZM/7 - Aug 24-25 - AZ - DM41, DM51/52 - KF7R - FM & Linear
W3ZM/5 - Aug 29 - MS - EM43 - KE4AL - FM & Linear
W3ZM/5 - Sep 10 - LA - EL49 - EM40 - KG5GJT - FM

N7MJ Roving 11 State Tour ? WY, NE, IA, IL, KY, TN, AR, OK, TX, NM, 
AZ, August 25th ? September 9th, 2019.
Jack M7MJ is heading out (in his Vette) on a 2 weeks road trip from 
Cheyenne, WY to the big 25th Anniversary Celebration of the National 
Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, KY, (August 28-31). Then he will 
head through TN to AR (EM34) for a family gathering 9/3-4, the 
another family gathering 9/4-5 in Atoka, OK (EM14/24). With the 
partying over, down through TX and NM and end up in Chandler, AZ. 
FM only.

Way Up in the Northeast (GN27, GN26, GN37)  Aug 26 ? Sept 7, 2019
Chris, VE3FU will be in GN27 August 26-30 and will try to make a trip 
to GN26, possibly on the GN26/27 line.  He will be in GN37 (again) 
August 30-September 7.  Chris will be operating as VO2AC/1 and try to 
announce operating times on Twitter as far ahead as possible. 
https://twitter.com/ChrisVE3FU.

Road to Oklahoma (EM52, EM43/44, EM34, EM35, EM25, EM26) 
Aug  29 ? Sep 1, 2019
Robert KE4AL is heading to Oklahoma (EM26).  Plan is to stop in EM52 
Thursday (1800 ish UTC) and get on the air from Mississippi as 
W3ZM/4.  Next up will EM43/44 line around 2330Z and spend the night 
in EM34.  Friday will be a trip up through Little Rock onto I-40 
with stops in EM35 and EM25.  Follow KE4AL on aprs.fi and keep an eye 
on Robert?s Twitter feed for specific pass times.  
https://twitter.com/KE4ALabama

Mississippi (EM42) Aug 31 ? Sep 1, 2019
Brian, KG5GJT is taking the Casita and his Mamacita on a little trip 
to EM42. This is a family vacation, so Brian will Tweet passes before 
they come up. Watch https://twitter.com/KG5GJT

Peru ? August 31 ? September 7, 2019
Tony, KD8RTT will be in Peru Saturday night, August 31 and leave on 
Saturday, September 7.  FM passes, mainly AO-91 and AO-92, vacation 
schedule permitting.  Tony is not exactly sure what days/times he can 
operate yet, but he?ll try to tweet before he gets on any passes.  
https://twitter.com/kd8rtt

AM1SAT (All Grids in Spain)  September 9-15, 2019
AMSAT-EA will be transmitting its special call AM1SAT via all active 
satellites from September 9th to September 15th as part of the V 
RadioHam Fair IberRadio 2019 activities. IberRadio is the biggest 
event for the ham community in SouthWest Europe and will open doors 
September 14th and 15th . Learn more about IberRadio at 
http://www.iberradio.es.

The AM1SAT call sign will be active from a minimum of 14 different 
grids during that time to help satellite operators to collect as 
much EA locators as possible.

As part of this activity and in order to promote the participation, 
AMSAT-EA is sponsoring the AM1SAT Special Award in two categories, 
Silver and Gold.  More info available at https://www.amsat-ea.org/ 
and as a pdf at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-AM1SAT-Award.

[ANS thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL for the above information.]

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ARISS News

There are no scheduled school contacts to report at this time.

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    to raise $150,000 for critical radio infrastructure upgrades
    on ISS. The upgrades are necessary to enable students to
    continue to talk to astronauts in space via Amateur Radio.
     We have reached a great milestone with $33,480 raised
    or about 22% towards our goal. This would not have been
         possible without your outstanding generosity!!

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Satellite Shorts from All Over

+ A0-40: A GPS Pioneer

The GPS III SV02 satellite launched on Thursday, August 22nd, 2019.  
GPS III SVs are designed to introduce new capabilities to meet 
higher demands of both military and civilian users. 

AMSAT-OSCAR 40 was launched on November 16, 2000.  It carried a 
GPS experiment that helped to validate above-the-constellation use 
of GPS and influenced the design of the Block III GPS satellites. 
For more details see https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-AO-40.


+ Ruth Willet KM4LAO Joins the ICQ Podcast Team

Keen amateur satellite user Ruth Willet KM4LAO @KM4Ruth has joined 
the ICQ Podcast team.  The latest podcast covers the news that AMSAT 
member 12-year-old Marissa Robledo W4AQT is the recipient of the 2019 
ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award.  Hear it at
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-Ruth-Willet

(ANS thanks icqpodcast.com and AMSAT-UK for the above information.)


+ TAPR Announces Funds for Student Attendance at DCC

Thanks to a generous grant from Amateur Radio Digital Communications, 
TAPR is able to fund attendance at the DCC for a limited number of 
students. To nominate a deserving student for an all-expense-paid 
trip to the DCC, submit a nomination at taproffice at tapr dot org.

[ANS thanks the ARRL for the above information.]


+ Ideas sought for the next FUNcube satellite

In November the FUNcube-1 CubeSat will have been in orbit for 6 years 
and the FUNcube team are now soliciting suggestions for the next 
satellite

The team are looking for suggestions for:
 - Conformation of the satellite (2U / 3U)
 - Orbit (LEO / MEO)
 - STEM Outreach
 - Amateur Radio Payloads
 - Research Payloads

Please email your ideas to funcube-next at funcube dot org dot uk.

[ANS thanks AMSAT-UK for the above information.]


+ NASA Releases Study On Commercial Space Economy

New insights from companies in the growing space economy are helping 
NASA chart a course for the future of commercial human spaceflight in 
low-Earth orbit.

Input the companies provided to NASA as part of the studies will 
inform NASA's future policies to support commercial activities that 
enable a robust low-Earth orbit economy.

NASA selected twelve companies to complete studies about the 
commercialization of low-Earth orbit and the International Space 
Station, assessing the potential growth of a low-Earth orbit economy 
and how to best stimulate private demand for commercial human 
spaceflight  Read the complete story at 
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-Report.

[ANS thanks SpaceRef-Business for the above information.]

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In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the 
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive 
additional benefits. Application forms are available from the 
AMSAT office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership at
one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the 
student rate for a maximum of six post-secondary years in this 
status.

Contact Martha at the AMSAT office for additional student 
membership information.

73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Frank Karnauskas, N1UW
n1uw at amsat dot org

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From nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 25 03:59:04 2019
From: nicholasmahr1 at gmail.com (Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 23:59:04 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
Message-ID: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi Bill,
If you look on N4HY's SmugMug https://n4hy.smugmug.com/AMSAT it shows
pictures of both AO-7 and AO-6 in construction. I can say from studying the
pictures of both AO-6's and AO-7's battery packs from that page, that they
both look identical in construction as far as i can tell from the picture.
Also a quick google search turned up these frequencies:  *Uplink* (MHz):
145.900-146.000  *Downlink* (MHz): 29.450- 29.550 *Beacon* (MHz): 435.100.
Yes it would very cool if OSCAR 6 came back to life like its brother AO-7.
Although having a repeat of AO-7 would be rare, its possible!

Nick KE8AKW

From chibill110 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 25 04:29:34 2019
From: chibill110 at gmail.com (Bill Gaylord)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 23:29:34 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Very cool stuff on that SmugMug. Love the internal pictures of modules on
AO-7.
And yes the battery packs look very similar.

 I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking in
on it now and then.  As its beacon falls near falconsat-3 70cm downlink at
435.103 Mhz.  So if they happen to be over the same station at one time I
can possibly catch AO-6 if it ever repeats AO-7.

WIlliam KD9KCK


KD9KCK

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 11:00 PM Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

>  Hi Bill,
> If you look on N4HY's SmugMug https://n4hy.smugmug.com/AMSAT it shows
> pictures of both AO-7 and AO-6 in construction. I can say from studying the
> pictures of both AO-6's and AO-7's battery packs from that page, that they
> both look identical in construction as far as i can tell from the picture.
> Also a quick google search turned up these frequencies:  *Uplink* (MHz):
> 145.900-146.000  *Downlink* (MHz): 29.450- 29.550 *Beacon* (MHz): 435.100.
> Yes it would very cool if OSCAR 6 came back to life like its brother AO-7.
> Although having a repeat of AO-7 would be rare, its possible!
>
> Nick KE8AKW
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From n8hm at arrl.net  Sun Aug 25 05:15:39 2019
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 01:15:39 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpbgcP1w_GyVCdB+O5pGoVCHKmUesjJFBr14Zv2kAYRPw@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, OSCAR 6 had a problem that required it to be constantly
commanded to stay on, so even if a battery cell were to open, it wouldn?t
stay on like OSCAR 7 has.

Phil Karn, KA9Q, has archived many of the early AMSAT Newsletters. The
issues from 1972 on contain lots of information about OSCAR 6.

http://www.ka9q.net/newsletters.html

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 00:30 Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Very cool stuff on that SmugMug. Love the internal pictures of modules on
> AO-7.
> And yes the battery packs look very similar.
>
>  I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
> downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking in
> on it now and then.  As its beacon falls near falconsat-3 70cm downlink at
> 435.103 Mhz.  So if they happen to be over the same station at one time I
> can possibly catch AO-6 if it ever repeats AO-7.
>
> WIlliam KD9KCK
>
>
> KD9KCK
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 11:00 PM Nicholas Mahr KE8AKW via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> >  Hi Bill,
> > If you look on N4HY's SmugMug https://n4hy.smugmug.com/AMSAT it shows
> > pictures of both AO-7 and AO-6 in construction. I can say from studying
> the
> > pictures of both AO-6's and AO-7's battery packs from that page, that
> they
> > both look identical in construction as far as i can tell from the
> picture.
> > Also a quick google search turned up these frequencies:  *Uplink* (MHz):
> > 145.900-146.000  *Downlink* (MHz): 29.450- 29.550 *Beacon* (MHz):
> 435.100.
> > Yes it would very cool if OSCAR 6 came back to life like its brother
> AO-7.
> > Although having a repeat of AO-7 would be rare, its possible!
> >
> > Nick KE8AKW
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Sun Aug 25 12:48:23 2019
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 08:48:23 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Finally copied BricSat2
Message-ID: <76f7908e-bf58-e776-1263-04184d8034cd@denstarfarm.us>

I've been trying to snag this one automatically and last nite finally 
did with my simple M2 crossed yagis on a SPID

1:Fm USNAP1-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI pid=F0 Len=11 >[21:17:47]
 >Bank0-SAFE
  1:Fm USNAP1-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI pid=F0 Len=34 >[21:18:13]
T#854,762,000,000,000,669,01000100


--
73
Bob KD7YZ
AMSAT LM #901


From kk5do at arrl.net  Sun Aug 25 17:56:21 2019
From: kk5do at arrl.net (Bruce)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 12:56:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Friends of 50 Award
In-Reply-To: <854697162.1199642.1566689767983@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <854697162.1199642.1566689767983.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<854697162.1199642.1566689767983@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a0b2324-8a46-e8c5-3d1d-c002ad697cb2@arrl.net>

We were contemplating two methods of creating the certificate. The first 
was to do it on a laser or inkjet and send them right out. The second 
was to wait until the end of December, see how many applied and then 
print certificates. We have chosen to print on a laser and those that 
have submitted and paid for the award already will have their 
certificates go out shortly.

73...bruce

On 8/24/2019 6:36 PM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Has anyone actually received their Amsat Friends of 50 Award? I submitted a few months ago, but no award has arrived. Just wondering? Brad Smith KC9UQR
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>


-- 

Bruce Paige, KK5DO
                      
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
AMSAT Board Member 2016-2020
   
ARRL Awards Field Checker (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
           
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Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
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From wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 26 15:06:21 2019
From: wb9qzb_groups at yahoo.com (Mark Thompson)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:06:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Support TAPR DCC Video Kickstarter Campaign - Discounted
 TAPR DCC Registration & Hotel Rate Ending This Week
In-Reply-To: <1673937235.1380429.1566338401975@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1727715849.1178427.1565028176302.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1727715849.1178427.1565028176302@mail.yahoo.com>
	<469148717.1184207.1565028528023@mail.yahoo.com>
	<48131364.3811362.1565798179981@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1673937235.1380429.1566338401975@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1211700778.1580639.1566831981293@mail.yahoo.com>

2019 ARRL/TAPR DCC?(Digital Communications Conference)?
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September 20 - 22




Support 2019 TAPR DCC - Video Kickstarter Campaign




HamRadio 2.0 recorded videos of the 2018 DCC & made them available on YouTube.?

They need your support to fund their expenses to travel to the DCC again this year.?




Please contribute to Hamradio 2.0's Kickstarter campaign below to insure DCC technical presentations videos will be recorded & available on-line.?


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DCC Early Bird Registration Discounted Rate ends on Thursday, August 29th?

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DCC Features: 
- Two days of Technical Forums on Friday & Saturday - Introductory Forums on Saturday - Saturday Night Banquet with Keynote Speaker & Prize Drawing - Sunday Morning In-Depth Seminar - Demo Room with Free Tables Available 

        

From n4hf.philip at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 17:06:50 2019
From: n4hf.philip at gmail.com (Philip Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:06:50 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help at Shelby NC Hamfest this weekend
Message-ID: <CAGdEbNaEPu_BvsBwTdW9J2fpaOf8PeZS+zZ-76VdN3GX5J8fFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Just reaching out to see if there are any BB readers who are attending the
Shelby Hamfest this weekend (even if it's Saturday only, out of the three
days). I do have an extra admission ticket which I'll give to you.

Two people who had planned to be there have had schedule conflicts arise,
so right now it is just me manning the table and presenting the forum. I do
have another ham from the Atlanta area who could help, but I'd hate to ask
him to attend if there are others closer by who are attending anyway.

I'm mainly looking for help manning the info table to answer questions
(although if you want to do demonstrations, that would be a plus) as 1) I
would like to step away from time to time and 2) it does get busy at times.
You don't have to be an expert (because I don't claim to be! :-)) on
satellites to be helpful, just have a working knowledge.

I'll be in Shelby Thursday night, and should be around the Fairgrounds most
of the day Friday (there is a little shopping/browsing I'd like to do
myself), but packing up and leaving mid to late afternoon on Saturday
(won't be there Sunday at all).

Please email me if you're interested

73 Philip N4HF
AMSAT Ambassador

From dquagliana at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 18:19:33 2019
From: dquagliana at gmail.com (Douglas Quagliana)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:19:33 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>

This idea sounds very interesting. Are you going to search for overlapping passes by hand and listen by ear or do you have a plan for automating the search?

73,
Douglas KA2UPW/5

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
> downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking in
> on it now and then.

From pconver at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 18:47:20 2019
From: pconver at gmail.com (Pedro Converso)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:47:20 -0300
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANTZqKk39jxg6ZSOy8pY-0SOaYKy_z=_=C-0G+nwoK6fmFK3qw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

If it is of some use AO-6 tracking at: http://amsat.org.ar/pass?satx=ao-6

73, lu7abf, Pedro

On 8/26/19, Douglas Quagliana via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> This idea sounds very interesting. Are you going to search for overlapping
> passes by hand and listen by ear or do you have a plan for automating the
> search?
>
> 73,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
>
>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB
>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>> I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
>> downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking in
>> on it now and then.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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From chibill110 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 19:01:52 2019
From: chibill110 at gmail.com (Bill Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:01:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <CANTZqKk39jxg6ZSOy8pY-0SOaYKy_z=_=C-0G+nwoK6fmFK3qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>
	<CANTZqKk39jxg6ZSOy8pY-0SOaYKy_z=_=C-0G+nwoK6fmFK3qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALS66Fu-VQ8tKeNwQywgae1Spi3YC0jTubMKKePeb10-jmC60w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone who has replied with information so far!

Based off what Paul has said there might be no point in trying anything.

Douglas I am using a program I wrote for checking when two satellites are
close to each other to search for times when they overlap.

I plan on listening to it using SatNOGS. (That is once I have my ground
station working again.) Which will allow me to listen to it easily if they
pass near each other by making a new observation.






On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 1:47 PM Pedro Converso <pconver at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> If it is of some use AO-6 tracking at: http://amsat.org.ar/pass?satx=ao-6
>
> 73, lu7abf, Pedro
>
> On 8/26/19, Douglas Quagliana via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > This idea sounds very interesting. Are you going to search for
> overlapping
> > passes by hand and listen by ear or do you have a plan for automating the
> > search?
> >
> > 73,
> > Douglas KA2UPW/5
> >
> >> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB
> >> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
> >> downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking
> in
> >> on it now and then.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>

From ko6th.greg at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 19:13:08 2019
From: ko6th.greg at gmail.com (Greg D)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:13:08 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab67833b-935e-e4d2-cab1-47eb4efd8d2e@gmail.com>

Given the historical issue with AO-6 not staying on, simply listening
will probably not suffice.  I expect it needs to be commanded on, and be
sane enough to comply, in order for us to hear anything.

But, yes, could be an interesting thing to try.  AO-7's command
processor was still somewhat functional, if I recall.  Now we just need
to figure out how to send the commands...

Greg  KO6TH


Douglas Quagliana via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> This idea sounds very interesting. Are you going to search for overlapping passes by hand and listen by ear or do you have a plan for automating the search?
>
> 73,
> Douglas KA2UPW/5
>
>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>> I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
>> downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking in
>> on it now and then.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


From m5aka at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 26 20:06:33 2019
From: m5aka at yahoo.co.uk (M5AKA)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:06:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] German 144 MHz CEPT paper + High Altitude Balloon
	Conference
References: <44342804.2375026.1566849993617.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44342804.2375026.1566849993617@mail.yahoo.com>

Talks by radio amateurs at UK High Altitude Society Conference in London on Saturday, Sept 7 
https://amsat-uk.org/2019/08/25/talks-by-radio-amateurs-ukhas-conference/

New French CEPT paper still seeks 144-146 MHz for Aeronautical Mobile Service ?
https://amsat-uk.org/2019/08/24/new-french-cept-paper-still-seeks-144-146-mhz-for-aeronautical/

Germany tells CEPT it "cannot determine a single realistic sharing scenario, not leading to serious mutual interference on both sides and not seriously degrading the use of the 144-146 MHz band" 
https://www.cept.org/Documents/cpg/53066/cpg-19-info108_d-ai10-german-view-on-144-146-mhz

144-146 MHz WebSDR at Goonhilly now available 
https://amsat-uk.org/2019/08/24/goonhilly-144-146-mhz-websdr/

There is also a WebSDR at Farnham near London 
http://farnham-sdr.com/
AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium Milton Keynes October 12-13https://amsat-uk.org/colloquium/

Trevor M5AKA
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From aj9n at aol.com  Tue Aug 27 02:17:39 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 02:17:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-27 02:00
	UTC
References: <1436080024.1800020.1566872259214.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1436080024.1800020.1566872259214@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-27 02:00 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Kingston Community School, Kingston SE, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via K6DUE (***)

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS (***)

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA (***) 

Contact is go for: Tue 2019-09-03 08:06:34 UTC 27 deg (***)

?

Galileo STEM Academy, Eagle, ID, direct via W7GSA 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV (***) 

Contact is go for: Tue 2019-09-03 16:05:06 UTC 58 deg (***)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-27 02:00 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-15 16:00 UTC. 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1327. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1270. 

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From aj9n at aol.com  Tue Aug 27 14:06:05 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 14:06:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-27 14:00
	UTC
References: <737085374.1926078.1566914765076.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <737085374.1926078.1566914765076@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-27 14:00 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Kingston Community School, Kingston SE, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via K6DUE

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA

Contact is go for: Tue 2019-09-03 08:06:34 UTC 27 deg

?

Watch for live simulcast at Echolink node *HAM* 69556 / IRLP 9556 / AllStar 48820 (***)

?

?

Galileo STEM Academy, Eagle, ID, direct via W7GSA 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact is go for: Tue 2019-09-03 16:05:06 UTC 58 deg

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-27 14:00 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-15 16:00 UTC. 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

******************************************************************************

ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

*******************************************************************************


Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

****************************************************************************
ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

****************************************************************************

The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1327. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1270. 

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From marzo7088 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 27 17:52:41 2019
From: marzo7088 at yahoo.com (RG)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:52:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
References: <1971100995.2007959.1566928361504.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1971100995.2007959.1566928361504@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, I had a couple of questions about SatPC32, I can't seem to get the CAS4A and CAS4B frequecies to show up in the program.It shows the satellites tracked on the map,but frequencies are blank.I tried downloading the Kepler data in the program.When I checked out the? doppler.SQF file it didn't list many of the satellite which the program loads up, much less the CASa and CASb information.I also had a problem with the program not loading a bunch of other satellites,the only I way I could fix it was to reinstall the program again.Much help would be appreciated.ThanksRich
marzo7088 at yahoo.com

From bernd1peters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 20:39:19 2019
From: bernd1peters at gmail.com (bernd1peters at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 13:39:19 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
In-Reply-To: <1971100995.2007959.1566928361504@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1971100995.2007959.1566928361504.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1971100995.2007959.1566928361504@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d501d55d17$80c6c980$82545c80$@gmail.com>

Hi Rich,

There are several files that need to have information in order for SatPC32 to work properly. The Kepler elements will give you information about the satellite's position, orbit, and speed, but not frequencies. This is because the frequencies are properties of the transceiver, but not the object itself.

When you click on the Satellites Menu item, you get a pop-up window that has 3 columns and a bunch on buttons on the right hand side. Which filename is highlighted in the left hand column? And what are the exact names you see for the 2 Satellites in the right hand column?

Feel free to send a screenshot to my personal email address.

73,
Bernd - KB7AK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of RG via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:53 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32

Hi, I had a couple of questions about SatPC32, I can't seem to get the CAS4A and CAS4B frequecies to show up in the program.It shows the satellites tracked on the map,but frequencies are blank.I tried downloading the Kepler data in the program.When I checked out the  doppler.SQF file it didn't list many of the satellite which the program loads up, much less the CASa and CASb information.I also had a problem with the program not loading a bunch of other satellites,the only I way I could fix it was to reinstall the program again.Much help would be appreciated.ThanksRich marzo7088 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________
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From kb1pvh at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 21:22:01 2019
From: kb1pvh at gmail.com (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:22:01 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
In-Reply-To: <00d501d55d17$80c6c980$82545c80$@gmail.com>
References: <1971100995.2007959.1566928361504.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1971100995.2007959.1566928361504@mail.yahoo.com>
	<00d501d55d17$80c6c980$82545c80$@gmail.com>
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You need to edit the doppler.sqf file with frequency info for each
satellite that you want doppler control for. Make sure the satellite name
in your Keps file and doppler.sqf match EXACTLY.

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S9

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:41 PM Bernd Peters via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi Rich,
>
> There are several files that need to have information in order for SatPC32
> to work properly. The Kepler elements will give you information about the
> satellite's position, orbit, and speed, but not frequencies. This is
> because the frequencies are properties of the transceiver, but not the
> object itself.
>
> When you click on the Satellites Menu item, you get a pop-up window that
> has 3 columns and a bunch on buttons on the right hand side. Which filename
> is highlighted in the left hand column? And what are the exact names you
> see for the 2 Satellites in the right hand column?
>
> Feel free to send a screenshot to my personal email address.
>
> 73,
> Bernd - KB7AK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of RG via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:53 AM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
>
> Hi, I had a couple of questions about SatPC32, I can't seem to get the
> CAS4A and CAS4B frequecies to show up in the program.It shows the
> satellites tracked on the map,but frequencies are blank.I tried downloading
> the Kepler data in the program.When I checked out the  doppler.SQF file it
> didn't list many of the satellite which the program loads up, much less the
> CASa and CASb information.I also had a problem with the program not loading
> a bunch of other satellites,the only I way I could fix it was to reinstall
> the program again.Much help would be appreciated.ThanksRich
> marzo7088 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
> all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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From chibill110 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 23:02:35 2019
From: chibill110 at gmail.com (Bill Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 18:02:35 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for info on AO-6
In-Reply-To: <ab67833b-935e-e4d2-cab1-47eb4efd8d2e@gmail.com>
References: <CAGu+VYtuNUE-ht3S8YLbEjWKiWEab57BFHw0HzX9Q9erHmCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALS66FvvY2kk+qCmk-Ziuj6YkndYe4zC-OD6uHYehuNFOQN+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF87FC94-C30A-4B0E-A0B0-C2F90190A21F@gmail.com>
	<ab67833b-935e-e4d2-cab1-47eb4efd8d2e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALS66FuJn-H=Had1_VgUFnbhaQimazj+HfhXfsUYsBbiPrxKQw@mail.gmail.com>

So even the beacon could be off (if it had power to where it could be on).
Interesting as based off what I have read thats the one transmitter that
could never be commanded off which means it would not make sense to be able
to command it on. Unless you mean that the on board systems not
transmitting because they themselves were not staying on.

William KD9KCK

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 2:13 PM Greg D <ko6th.greg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Given the historical issue with AO-6 not staying on, simply listening
> will probably not suffice.  I expect it needs to be commanded on, and be
> sane enough to comply, in order for us to hear anything.
>
> But, yes, could be an interesting thing to try.  AO-7's command
> processor was still somewhat functional, if I recall.  Now we just need
> to figure out how to send the commands...
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> Douglas Quagliana via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > This idea sounds very interesting. Are you going to search for
> overlapping passes by hand and listen by ear or do you have a plan for
> automating the search?
> >
> > 73,
> > Douglas KA2UPW/5
> >
> >> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I might try and take advantage of its beacon being near another sats
> >> downlink to try and hear it on the SatNOGS network to do some checking
> in
> >> on it now and then.
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From k6vug at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 28 05:14:12 2019
From: k6vug at sbcglobal.net (k6vug at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 05:14:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
In-Reply-To: <CAEMY9Ffwkn7Z-zm3f8aSpBWWi8qdq5OM+7L2OCdBuSOzY3aTnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1971100995.2007959.1566928361504.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1971100995.2007959.1566928361504@mail.yahoo.com>
	<00d501d55d17$80c6c980$82545c80$@gmail.com>
	<CAEMY9Ffwkn7Z-zm3f8aSpBWWi8qdq5OM+7L2OCdBuSOzY3aTnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129266462.554876.1566969252342@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Rich -? 
?
Not trying to steal anyone's thunder..., 
but in short for every satellite you pick in the satellites list, there should be one or more lines in DOPPLER.SQF.? A lot of us have figured out the additions needed for the newer sats, so if you are in a hurry contact one of us off-line for your specific selections. See you on the CAS birds, they're grrreat ! 
? 
73! 
Umesh, k6vug 
?
?
?
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 2:23:17 PM PDT, Dave Webb KB1PVH via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 You need to edit the doppler.sqf file with frequency info for each
satellite that you want doppler control for. Make sure the satellite name
in your Keps file and doppler.sqf match EXACTLY.

Dave-KB1PVH


Sent from my Galaxy S9

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:41 PM Bernd Peters via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Hi Rich,
>
> There are several files that need to have information in order for SatPC32
> to work properly. The Kepler elements will give you information about the
> satellite's position, orbit, and speed, but not frequencies. This is
> because the frequencies are properties of the transceiver, but not the
> object itself.
>
> When you click on the Satellites Menu item, you get a pop-up window that
> has 3 columns and a bunch on buttons on the right hand side. Which filename
> is highlighted in the left hand column? And what are the exact names you
> see for the 2 Satellites in the right hand column?
>
> Feel free to send a screenshot to my personal email address.
>
> 73,
> Bernd - KB7AK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of RG via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:53 AM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32
>
> Hi, I had a couple of questions about SatPC32, I can't seem to get the
> CAS4A and CAS4B frequecies to show up in the program.It shows the
> satellites tracked on the map,but frequencies are blank.I tried downloading
> the Kepler data in the program.When I checked out the? doppler.SQF file it
> didn't list many of the satellite which the program loads up, much less the
> CASa and CASb information.I also had a problem with the program not loading
> a bunch of other satellites,the only I way I could fix it was to reinstall
> the program again.Much help would be appreciated.ThanksRich
> marzo7088 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
> all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
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From kc9sgv at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 17:31:21 2019
From: kc9sgv at gmail.com (KC9SGV)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:31:21 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham GEO satellite PowerPoint
Message-ID: <7CD7C7B5-6A2C-4753-B7C8-6FC475730BBF@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Here is a very nice PowerPoint presentation for the European and Katari ham band transponder Geostationary satellite, QO-100.
Hopefully, we will one day also have one or a couple of these Ham band transponder GEO satellites over the Americas.

https://ukamsat.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/qo100_eshail2_m0eyt_frars_2019-08-11.pdf

Bernard,
KC9SGV

Sent from my iPad

From jean.marc.momple at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 18:34:30 2019
From: jean.marc.momple at gmail.com (Jean Marc Momple)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 22:34:30 +0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham GEO satellite PowerPoint
In-Reply-To: <7CD7C7B5-6A2C-4753-B7C8-6FC475730BBF@gmail.com>
References: <7CD7C7B5-6A2C-4753-B7C8-6FC475730BBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D22464E6-A54A-443F-A11D-626739C17C22@gmail.com>

Hi Bernard,

Yes it is a very good presentation from Paul which summaries well QO-100.

Thanks for sharing.

But more than Paul mentioned, myself experimenting a lot with modifying KU band LNBs, building many dual feeds, repurposing Wifi equipment, PA?s etc? The real beauty of QO-100 for me is that it bring me back to my licence year of 1976 where I could really build my station from components. In spite it is more modules like SDR?s etc.. now. It is really nice to be able to innovate and experiment again many solutions which is obvious on the WEB from feedback of users.

Yes, I hope and wish than US, Oceania and East Asia will be able to enjoy a GEO as we are this side now. Thanks to  the Qatar?Satellite Company (Es?hailSat) <https://www.eshailsat.qa/>, the Qatar Amateur Radio Society (QARS) <http://www.qsl.net/a71a/>, and AMSAT Deutschland (AMSAT-DL <https://amsat-dl.org/en/>),  they did a great job for the community.

73


Jean Marc (3B8DU)





> On Aug 28, 2019, at 9:31 PM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Here is a very nice PowerPoint presentation for the European and Katari ham band transponder Geostationary satellite, QO-100.
> Hopefully, we will one day also have one or a couple of these Ham band transponder GEO satellites over the Americas.
> 
> https://ukamsat.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/qo100_eshail2_m0eyt_frars_2019-08-11.pdf
> 
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From e.krome at comcast.net  Thu Aug 29 01:27:26 2019
From: e.krome at comcast.net (Ed Krome)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 21:27:26 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 madness
Message-ID: <DB8F892A-0C50-4FD0-89C9-911DD75842D1@comcast.net>

I?m using registered satpc32 v.12.8c (also have 12.8d on another; same problem ) to control HDSDR and LVB tracker (serial, not usb, which is even more problematic), automatic satellite switching (now looking at wxsat?s). Sometimes, it all works fine. Other times, not. Like tonight, it won?t auto switch. Other times, When it does auto switch, it controls frequency just fine. But it may or may not move the antennas. Tonight it?s not auto switching, but when I manually click on the visible satellite, freq and rotor control start to work. Sometimes it will all work well for a few days. Then just quit. (It?s all on a good UPS). I sometimes think it just likes to mess with me. The other machine does the same thing. When it feels like it. 
Anybody have any words of wisdom ?

Ed K9EK

Sent from my iPhone

From wa7fwf at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 01:57:27 2019
From: wa7fwf at gmail.com (Kevin)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:57:27 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 madness
In-Reply-To: <DB8F892A-0C50-4FD0-89C9-911DD75842D1@comcast.net>
References: <DB8F892A-0C50-4FD0-89C9-911DD75842D1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <fd1215ae-b91f-5c65-9f1b-27dd35da51c9@gmail.com>

Ed,
 ?? I have seen some of those issues, if the antennas are not moving 
look in task manager and see ServerSDX says "not responding" if yes then 
check with Eric for a older version of serverSDX, I am running it and 
the not responding went away.
 ? As for the satellite switch I have caught that several times, I get 
the announcement that the satellite is rising but it does not switch and 
set the frequency, or it will switch and rotors work? but frequency 
isn't updated, selecting another sat in the list wakes it up and then it 
properly switches and everything works.
 ?I have changed the order around on the sat list to see it if was a 
particular sat or location with no change, I have seen it on my IC-9100 
and IC-9700 and on windows 8.1 and 10 but it just does not do it often 
enough to figure out what is triggering the problem.
 ? Thinking I had messed something up somewhere I wiped the hard disk 
when I went to windows 10 recently to do a clean install of everything 
and reinstalled from scratch setting up everything new, and I have 
caught it twice now not changing the frequency, what radio you running? 
maybe it's a Icom issue, I do not know...

73 Kevin WA7FWF


On 8/28/2019 18:27, Ed Krome via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> I?m using registered satpc32 v.12.8c (also have 12.8d on another; same problem ) to control HDSDR and LVB tracker (serial, not usb, which is even more problematic), automatic satellite switching (now looking at wxsat?s). Sometimes, it all works fine. Other times, not. Like tonight, it won?t auto switch. Other times, When it does auto switch, it controls frequency just fine. But it may or may not move the antennas. Tonight it?s not auto switching, but when I manually click on the visible satellite, freq and rotor control start to work. Sometimes it will all work well for a few days. Then just quit. (It?s all on a good UPS). I sometimes think it just likes to mess with me. The other machine does the same thing. When it feels like it.
> Anybody have any words of wisdom ?
>
> Ed K9EK
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From aj9n at aol.com  Thu Aug 29 03:52:57 2019
From: aj9n at aol.com (aj9n at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:52:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-29 04:00
	UTC
References: <324406638.142847.1567050777462.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <324406638.142847.1567050777462@mail.yahoo.com>


Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2019-08-29 04:00 UTC

?

Quick list of scheduled contacts and events:

?

Kingston Community School, Kingston SE, South Australia, Australia, telebridge via K6DUE

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Drew Morgan KI5AAA

Contact is go for: Tue 2019-09-03 08:06:34 UTC 27 deg

?

Watch for live simulcast at Echolink node *HAM* 69556 / IRLP 9556 / AllStar 48820 

?

?

Galileo STEM Academy, Eagle, ID, direct via W7GSA 

The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS 

The scheduled astronaut is Nick Hague KG5TMV

Contact is go for: Tue 2019-09-03 16:05:06 UTC 58 deg

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

?

For many years I have on purpose not given the actual hyperlinks; I assume the user would do a copy/paste into their favorite browser.? I am now thinking that the browsers have all grown up and most should be able to handle the link.? Please let me know you experience any issues.? So now you should be able to directly click on the link.? (***)

?

Note, all times are approximate. ?It is recommended that you do your own 

orbital prediction?or start listening about 10 minutes before the listed 

time. 

All dates and times listed follow International Standard ISO 8601 date and 

time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

?

The complete schedule page has been updated as of?2019-08-29 04:00 UTC.? (***)

Here you will find a listing of all scheduled?school contacts, and 

questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and 

instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt 

?

?

The successful school list has been updated as of 2019-08-15 16:00 UTC. 

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf 

?

?

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

The main page for Applying to Host a Scheduled Contact may be found at http://www.ariss.org/apply-to-host-an-ariss-contact.html ???

?

ARISS Contact Applications (United States)

?

The ARISS webpage is at http://www.ariss.org/ ???

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

ARISS Contact Applications (Europe, Africa and the Middle East)

?

Schools and Youth organizations in Europe, Africa and the Middle East interested in setting up an ARISS radio contact with an astronaut on board the International Space Station are invited to submit an application from September to October and from February to April.

Please refer to details and the application form at www.ariss-eu.org/school-contacts.? Applications should be addressed by email to:? school.selection.manager at ariss-eu.org

?

ARISS Contact Applications (Canada, Central and South America, Asia and Australia and Russia)

?

Organizations outside the United States can apply for an ARISS contact by filling out an application.? Please direct questions to the appropriate regional representative listed below. If your country is not specifically listed, send your questions to the nearest ARISS Region listed. If you are unsure which address to use, please send your question to the ARISS-Canada representative; they will forward your question to the appropriate coordinator.

?

For the application, go to:? http://www.ariss.org/ariss-application.html.

ARISS-Canada and the Americas, except USA: Steve McFarlane, VE3TBD email to: ve3tbd at gmail.com

ARISS-Japan, Asia, Pacific and Australia: Satoshi Yasuda, 7M3TJZ email to: ariss at iaru-r3.org, Japan Amateur Radio League (JARL) http://www.jarl.org/

ARISS-Russia: Soyuz Radioljubitelei Rossii (SRR) https://srr.ru/

?

?

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ARISS is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.? ARISS thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.? Feel free to send your reports to aj9n at amsat.org or aj9n at aol.com.

?

Listen for the ISS on the downlink of 145.8? MHz.

?

*******************************************************************************

?

All ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise noted.

?

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Several of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and 
not being able to get in. ?That has now been changed to http://www.ariss.org/

?

Note that there are links to other ARISS websites from this site.

?

****************************************************************************

Looking for something new to do?? How about receiving DATV from the ISS?? Please note that the HamTV system has been brought back to earth for troubleshooting.? Please monitor ARISS-EU or ARISS-ON for the very latest news on the troubleshooting efforts.? 

?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for complete details.? Look for the buttons indicating Ham Video.???????????? 

?

http://www.ariss-eu.org/

?

If you need some assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to provide some insight.? Contact Kerry at kbanke at sbcglobal.net

?

?

The HamTV webpage:? https://www.amsat-on.be/hamtv-summary/

?

?

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ARISS congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100 schools: 

?

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 136 

Francesco IK?WGF with 132 

Gaston ON4WF with 123

Sergey RV3DR with 120 

?

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The webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy. Out of date 

webpages were removed, and new ones have been added.? If there are additional 

ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me know.

?

?

?

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1327. 

Each school counts as 1 event.

Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1270. 

Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time slot.

Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

?

A complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the 

file.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

?

Please feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are needed.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



The following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
South Dakota, Wyoming, American?Samoa, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, and the Virgin Islands.

?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

?

QSL information may be found at:

http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

?

ISS callsigns: DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS, RS?ISS

?

****************************************************************************



Frequency chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing 

Doppler correction? as of 2005-07-29 04:00 UTC

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction.rtf



Check out the Zoho reports of the ARISS contacts

?

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415

****************************************************************************

?

Exp. 59 on orbit

Christina Koch

Aleksey Ovchinin

Nick Hague KG5TMV

?

Exp. 60 on orbit 

Luca Parmitano KF5KDP

Alexander Skvortsov

Drew Morgan KI5AAA

?

****************************************************************************

73,

Charlie?Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors

?



From erich.eichmann at t-online.de  Thu Aug 29 06:18:24 2019
From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:18:24 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 madness
In-Reply-To: <DB8F892A-0C50-4FD0-89C9-911DD75842D1@comcast.net>
References: <DB8F892A-0C50-4FD0-89C9-911DD75842D1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <06b27ca1-513b-66b4-b231-e5a9610b9e03@t-online.de>

Hi Ed,
Mark, N8MH, and Alan, WA4SCA, reported the same problem 8 months ago. 
With your program version automatic satellite switching fails (and rotor 
control stops) in the following case:? The program tracked a satellite 
with higher priority and after its setting should switch to a sat with 
lower priority. I have fixed that and the current release of V. 12.8d 
works flawlessly.
A temporary solution: Set the "minimum Elevation" (menu "Rotor Setup") 
to a positive value, say, +1 deg.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 29.08.2019 um 03:27 schrieb Ed Krome via AMSAT-BB:
> I?m using registered satpc32 v.12.8c (also have 12.8d on another; same problem ) to control HDSDR and LVB tracker (serial, not usb, which is even more problematic), automatic satellite switching (now looking at wxsat?s). Sometimes, it all works fine. Other times, not. Like tonight, it won?t auto switch. Other times, When it does auto switch, it controls frequency just fine. But it may or may not move the antennas. Tonight it?s not auto switching, but when I manually click on the visible satellite, freq and rotor control start to work. Sometimes it will all work well for a few days. Then just quit. (It?s all on a good UPS). I sometimes think it just likes to mess with me. The other machine does the same thing. When it feels like it.
> Anybody have any words of wisdom ?
>
> Ed K9EK
>
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From e.krome at comcast.net  Thu Aug 29 12:08:44 2019
From: e.krome at comcast.net (EDWARD KROME)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:08:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 madness
In-Reply-To: <06b27ca1-513b-66b4-b231-e5a9610b9e03@t-online.de>
References: <DB8F892A-0C50-4FD0-89C9-911DD75842D1@comcast.net>
	<06b27ca1-513b-66b4-b231-e5a9610b9e03@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <1340096906.755882.1567080524564@connect.xfinity.com>

Erich

Danke! Ich werde das versuchen. (and that's about the extent of my German).

73,

Ed K9EK

> On August 29, 2019 at 2:18 AM Erich Eichmann <erich.eichmann at t-online.de> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi Ed,
>     Mark, N8MH, and Alan, WA4SCA, reported the same problem 8 months ago. With your program version automatic satellite switching fails (and rotor control stops) in the following case:  The program tracked a satellite with higher priority and after its setting should switch to a sat with lower priority. I have fixed that and the current release of V. 12.8d works flawlessly.
>     A temporary solution: Set the "minimum Elevation" (menu "Rotor Setup") to a positive value, say, +1 deg.
> 
>     73s, Erich, DK1TB
> 
>     Am 29.08.2019 um 03:27 schrieb Ed Krome via AMSAT-BB:
> 
>         > > 
> >         I?m using registered satpc32 v.12.8c (also have 12.8d on another; same problem ) to control HDSDR and LVB tracker (serial, not usb, which is even more problematic), automatic satellite switching (now looking at wxsat?s). Sometimes, it all works fine. Other times, not. Like tonight, it won?t auto switch. Other times, When it does auto switch, it controls frequency just fine. But it may or may not move the antennas. Tonight it?s not auto switching, but when I manually click on the visible satellite, freq and rotor control start to work. Sometimes it will all work well for a few days. Then just quit. (It?s all on a good UPS). I sometimes think it just likes to mess with me. The other machine does the same thing. When it feels like it. 
> >         Anybody have any words of wisdom ?
> > 
> >         Ed K9EK
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
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From erich.eichmann at t-online.de  Thu Aug 29 14:13:30 2019
From: erich.eichmann at t-online.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 16:13:30 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] Test
Message-ID: <b207e853-e83c-f7df-c02a-3a83abf76b39@t-online.de>

Test because my previous mail to AMSAT-BB did not appear on the list.


From w9gb at icloud.com  Thu Aug 29 15:54:52 2019
From: w9gb at icloud.com (Gregory Beat)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:54:52 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
Message-ID: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>

SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
Monthly missions as low as $1 million 
https://www.spacex.com/smallsat

SpaceX?s SmallSat Rideshare Program will provide small satellite operators with regularly scheduled, dedicated Falcon 9 rideshare missions to sun synchronous orbit (SSO) for ESPA class payloads for as low as $1M per mission, which includes up to 200 kg of payload mass.
Unlike traditional rideshare opportunities, these missions will not be dependent on a primary. These missions will be pre-scheduled and will not be held up by delays with co-passengers.

For payloads who run into development or production challenges leading up to launch, SpaceX will allow them to apply 100% of monies paid towards the cost of rebooking on a subsequent mission, subject to a 10% rebooking fee.

==
greg, w9gb

Sent from iPad Air

From w2ev at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 29 16:29:00 2019
From: w2ev at yahoo.com (Ev Tupis)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 16:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>
References: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <343125634.302590.1567096140794@mail.yahoo.com>

 Nice, Greg!
Doing a little "back of the napkin" math...and assuming that a LEO is defined as 2,000km and less, I think (corrections sought, of course) an SSO LEO opportunity plays out as shown below...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-synchronous_orbit
http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm
Height?? O/D?? Footprint
282km?? ?16?? ?3835 km
574km?? ?15?? ?5532 km
901km?? ?14?? ?7016 km
1269km?? 13?? ?8438 km
1688km?? 12?? ?9876 km

O/D = orbits/day
Ev, W2EV

    On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 11:57:43 AM EDT, Gregory Beat via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:  
 
 SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
Monthly missions as low as $1 million 
https://www.spacex.com/smallsat

SpaceX?s SmallSat Rideshare Program will provide small satellite operators with regularly scheduled, dedicated Falcon 9 rideshare missions to sun synchronous orbit (SSO) for ESPA class payloads for as low as $1M per mission, which includes up to 200 kg of payload mass.
Unlike traditional rideshare opportunities, these missions will not be dependent on a primary. These missions will be pre-scheduled and will not be held up by delays with co-passengers.

For payloads who run into development or production challenges leading up to launch, SpaceX will allow them to apply 100% of monies paid towards the cost of rebooking on a subsequent mission, subject to a 10% rebooking fee.

==
greg, w9gb

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From johnnykludt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 16:51:28 2019
From: johnnykludt at gmail.com (John Kludt)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:51:28 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
Message-ID: <5d680292.1c69fb81.a7e78.3799@mx.google.com>

Greg,

One million dollars is still an awful lot of money.? Given the almost mythical status of the "cheap ham" where are we going to come up with that kind of cash?

John

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
On Aug 29, 2019 11:54, Gregory Beat via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
> Monthly missions as low as $1 million 
> https://www.spacex.com/smallsat
>
> SpaceX?s SmallSat Rideshare Program will provide small satellite operators with regularly scheduled, dedicated Falcon 9 rideshare missions to sun synchronous orbit (SSO) for ESPA class payloads for as low as $1M per mission, which includes up to 200 kg of payload mass.
> Unlike traditional rideshare opportunities, these missions will not be dependent on a primary. These missions will be pre-scheduled and will not be held up by delays with co-passengers.
>
> For payloads who run into development or production challenges leading up to launch, SpaceX will allow them to apply 100% of monies paid towards the cost of rebooking on a subsequent mission, subject to a 10% rebooking fee.
>
> ==
> greg, w9gb
>
> Sent from iPad Air
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From kb2ysi at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 17:34:40 2019
From: kb2ysi at gmail.com (Don KB2YSI)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:34:40 -0700
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <5d680292.1c69fb81.a7e78.3799@mx.google.com>
References: <5d680292.1c69fb81.a7e78.3799@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJiE8MhEwuguRHhT2ZsX7ymabG5j1RtXrav62P9ZS03fT+1gg@mail.gmail.com>

Just look at the current ARISS need, last I saw it was not up to 40% of the
$150,000 goal.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 09:53 John Kludt via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Greg,
>
> One million dollars is still an awful lot of money.  Given the almost
> mythical status of the "cheap ham" where are we going to come up with that
> kind of cash?
>
> John
>
> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
> On Aug 29, 2019 11:54, Gregory Beat via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
> > Monthly missions as low as $1 million
> > https://www.spacex.com/smallsat
> >
> > SpaceX?s SmallSat Rideshare Program will provide small satellite
> operators with regularly scheduled, dedicated Falcon 9 rideshare missions
> to sun synchronous orbit (SSO) for ESPA class payloads for as low as $1M
> per mission, which includes up to 200 kg of payload mass.
> > Unlike traditional rideshare opportunities, these missions will not be
> dependent on a primary. These missions will be pre-scheduled and will not
> be held up by delays with co-passengers.
> >
> > For payloads who run into development or production challenges leading
> up to launch, SpaceX will allow them to apply 100% of monies paid towards
> the cost of rebooking on a subsequent mission, subject to a 10% rebooking
> fee.
> >
> > ==
> > greg, w9gb
> >
> > Sent from iPad Air
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From zmetzing at pobox.com  Thu Aug 29 18:10:06 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 13:10:06 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <CAAJiE8MhEwuguRHhT2ZsX7ymabG5j1RtXrav62P9ZS03fT+1gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d680292.1c69fb81.a7e78.3799@mx.google.com>
	<CAAJiE8MhEwuguRHhT2ZsX7ymabG5j1RtXrav62P9ZS03fT+1gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91d955ae-67a1-a86a-53d7-158d9cb82da0@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-29 12:34, Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Just look at the current ARISS need, last I saw it was not up to 40% of the
> $150,000 goal.

My $25 .. heck .. $100 donation offer still stands.

$999,900 to go. Who's with me?

--- Zach
N0ZGO


From royldean at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 19:00:09 2019
From: royldean at gmail.com (Roy Dean)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:00:09 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
Message-ID: <CADGPg2uqSALA7WFnAQy8vWkpOXezPWRM0+H-jSYiS8THxvmmmg@mail.gmail.com>

Well, with 200kg to play with, I'm wondering if Spacex won't let several
cheap customers (like AMSAT and universities) partner up and cram several
cubesats into ppods (or whatever they call them) for simultaneous release?
 Otherwise perhaps it's time to investigate satellite "ride shares" and
share the spacecraft platform itself with other customers?

--Roy
K3RLD


> Greg, One million dollars is still an awful lot of money.  Given the
> almost mythical status of the "cheap ham" where are we going to come up
> with that kind of cash? John

From glasbrenner at mindspring.com  Thu Aug 29 19:55:31 2019
From: glasbrenner at mindspring.com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:55:31 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <CADGPg2uqSALA7WFnAQy8vWkpOXezPWRM0+H-jSYiS8THxvmmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADGPg2uqSALA7WFnAQy8vWkpOXezPWRM0+H-jSYiS8THxvmmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02fc01d55ea3$b6c6f4f0$2454ded0$@mindspring.com>

What happens is companies like Tyvak, Spaceflight, etc will purchase chunks
of mass and act as aggregators for smaller missions. I'll remind the list
readers that we flew on two paid rideshare launches with Spaceflight already
with AO-92 and AO-95, and on two NASA sponsored (read this as free) launches
with AO-85 and AO-91, with another coming soon for Fox-1E. Golf-TEE and
Golf-1 have also been approved for as of yet undisclosed NASA sponsored
launches.

Finding LEO launches in general is not a problem. Launches above 600km are
difficult, but it is more due to orbital debris mitigation requirements. In
general without propulsion or a -proven- deorbit device (of which there are
currently none approved by FCC) you don't go above about 600km. Disposal
orbits are a possibility, but as a very very small rideshare, you don't get
to pick the destination, and so far we haven't found anyone going to a
disposal orbit who will take us along.

It doesn't get publicized, but several AMSAT officers are engaged on a
weekly basis with various launch providers, aggregators, and satellite
hardware providers, and the goal is always a launch or payload accommodation
above that 600km orbit. It's too early to announce anything yet, but we are
making headway, and picking up a lot of missions to fly our cubesat radio
system developed out of the Fox-1E project. Huskysat-1 launches this fall
and will carry one of these radios, providing a 30 kHz wide V/u transponder
for hams to use. Several others are in the works, but too early to announce
at this point.

73, Drew KO4MA
AMSAT VP Operations

-----Original Message-----
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AMSAT-BB
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:00 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program

Well, with 200kg to play with, I'm wondering if Spacex won't let several
cheap customers (like AMSAT and universities) partner up and cram several
cubesats into ppods (or whatever they call them) for simultaneous release?
 Otherwise perhaps it's time to investigate satellite "ride shares" and
share the spacecraft platform itself with other customers?

--Roy
K3RLD


> Greg, One million dollars is still an awful lot of money.  Given the 
> almost mythical status of the "cheap ham" where are we going to come 
> up with that kind of cash? John
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From n0jy at amsat.org  Thu Aug 29 20:13:04 2019
From: n0jy at amsat.org (Jerry Buxton)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:13:04 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <02fc01d55ea3$b6c6f4f0$2454ded0$@mindspring.com>
References: <CADGPg2uqSALA7WFnAQy8vWkpOXezPWRM0+H-jSYiS8THxvmmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<02fc01d55ea3$b6c6f4f0$2454ded0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20d496ee-d619-b60a-4191-301ff93b973a@amsat.org>

The NASA ELaNa program will purchase some of that too when they have
missions requesting that type of orbit, and their cost for that
essentially gets spread out over the number of U(kg) they manifest on
the launch.? The 200kg probably includes the dispenser apparatus as
well, I don't know what the mass of a "typical" ESPA type adapter is.? I
would expect that the cost per kg to customers will be the $1M plus the
adapter "stuff" plus the "integration handling cost" and come out to be
maybe a little below what the going price is now.?

The difference or big perk would be not having to wait or accommodate
the primary payload schedule where it may happen too soon or it may
happen years later than you thought, and the "rebooking option/fee"
which is probably a pretty marketable thing given the number of CubeSat
projects that have trouble making the deadline.? I don't suppose that
they would market that if they didn't see the need.

My two cents just to expand on what Drew said, not an official claim to
know anything about what I said.? :-)

Jerry Buxton, N?JY

On 8/29/2019 14:55, Andrew Glasbrenner via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> What happens is companies like Tyvak, Spaceflight, etc will purchase chunks
> of mass and act as aggregators for smaller missions. I'll remind the list
> readers that we flew on two paid rideshare launches with Spaceflight already
> with AO-92 and AO-95, and on two NASA sponsored (read this as free) launches
> with AO-85 and AO-91, with another coming soon for Fox-1E. Golf-TEE and
> Golf-1 have also been approved for as of yet undisclosed NASA sponsored
> launches.
>
> Finding LEO launches in general is not a problem. Launches above 600km are
> difficult, but it is more due to orbital debris mitigation requirements. In
> general without propulsion or a -proven- deorbit device (of which there are
> currently none approved by FCC) you don't go above about 600km. Disposal
> orbits are a possibility, but as a very very small rideshare, you don't get
> to pick the destination, and so far we haven't found anyone going to a
> disposal orbit who will take us along.
>
> It doesn't get publicized, but several AMSAT officers are engaged on a
> weekly basis with various launch providers, aggregators, and satellite
> hardware providers, and the goal is always a launch or payload accommodation
> above that 600km orbit. It's too early to announce anything yet, but we are
> making headway, and picking up a lot of missions to fly our cubesat radio
> system developed out of the Fox-1E project. Huskysat-1 launches this fall
> and will carry one of these radios, providing a 30 kHz wide V/u transponder
> for hams to use. Several others are in the works, but too early to announce
> at this point.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
> AMSAT VP Operations
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Roy Dean via
> AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:00 PM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
>
> Well, with 200kg to play with, I'm wondering if Spacex won't let several
> cheap customers (like AMSAT and universities) partner up and cram several
> cubesats into ppods (or whatever they call them) for simultaneous release?
>  Otherwise perhaps it's time to investigate satellite "ride shares" and
> share the spacecraft platform itself with other customers?
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
>
>
>> Greg, One million dollars is still an awful lot of money.  Given the 
>> almost mythical status of the "cheap ham" where are we going to come 
>> up with that kind of cash? John
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From pavelmc at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 20:29:59 2019
From: pavelmc at gmail.com (Pavel Milanes Costa)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 16:29:59 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Advice on two radios for Satellite work.
Message-ID: <c46fb9ff-0c2d-579b-d957-f47a0a338a5f@gmail.com>

Hi,

Finally I found a offer for a 2m/70cm SSB/FM radios to be back on 
satellites, but need your advice...

I need pros and cons for satellite use for


FT-736R vs FT-726


Both has only 2m/70cm configs on it, I know they are old but that's what 
I can get inside Cuba...

Waiting for your advice, CO7WT.




From erich.eichmann at gmx.de  Thu Aug 29 09:38:48 2019
From: erich.eichmann at gmx.de (Erich Eichmann)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 11:38:48 +0200
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 madness
Message-ID: <89a16c98-2ce5-4d7f-cb83-68a078ba6e2a@gmx.de>

Hi Ed,
Mark, N8MH, and Alan, WA4SCA, reported the same problem 8 months ago.
With your program version automatic satellite switching fails (and rotor
control stops) in the following case:? The program tracked a satellite
with higher priority and after its setting should switch to a sat with
lower priority. I have fixed that and the current release of V. 12.8d
works flawlessly.
A temporary solution: Set the "minimum Elevation" (menu "Rotor Setup")
to a positive value, say, +1 deg.

73s, Erich, DK1TB

Am 29.08.2019 um 03:27 schrieb Ed Krome via AMSAT-BB:
> I?m using registered satpc32 v.12.8c (also have 12.8d on another; same problem ) to control HDSDR and LVB tracker (serial, not usb, which is even more problematic), automatic satellite switching (now looking at wxsat?s). Sometimes, it all works fine. Other times, not. Like tonight, it won?t auto switch. Other times, When it does auto switch, it controls frequency just fine. But it may or may not move the antennas. Tonight it?s not auto switching, but when I manually click on the visible satellite, freq and rotor control start to work. Sometimes it will all work well for a few days. Then just quit. (It?s all on a good UPS). I sometimes think it just likes to mess with me. The other machine does the same thing. When it feels like it.
> Anybody have any words of wisdom ?
>
> Ed K9EK
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From doug at kj0f.com  Thu Aug 29 19:17:23 2019
From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 13:17:23 -0600
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>
References: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <ca9a9219-d02a-6333-a0a2-934beb305922@kj0f.com>

Doesn't "sun synchronous orbit" mean orbiting the sun? Why would that be 
of value for amateur radio communications?

Doug -- KJ0F

On 8/29/2019 9:54 AM, Gregory Beat via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
> Monthly missions as low as $1 million
> https://www.spacex.com/smallsat
>
> SpaceX?s SmallSat Rideshare Program will provide small satellite operators with regularly scheduled, dedicated Falcon 9 rideshare missions to sun synchronous orbit (SSO) for ESPA class payloads for as low as $1M per mission, which includes up to 200 kg of payload mass.
> Unlike traditional rideshare opportunities, these missions will not be dependent on a primary. These missions will be pre-scheduled and will not be held up by delays with co-passengers.
>
> For payloads who run into development or production challenges leading up to launch, SpaceX will allow them to apply 100% of monies paid towards the cost of rebooking on a subsequent mission, subject to a 10% rebooking fee.
>
> ==
> greg, w9gb
>
> Sent from iPad Air
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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-- 
73 de Doug -- KJ0F


From wa4sca at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 13:16:11 2019
From: wa4sca at gmail.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:16:11 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <ca9a9219-d02a-6333-a0a2-934beb305922@kj0f.com>
References: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>
	<ca9a9219-d02a-6333-a0a2-934beb305922@kj0f.com>
Message-ID: <000001d55f35$189c0080$49d40180$@gmail.com>

Doug,

It means the orbit is such that the satellite comes over at about the same local times every day.  IE synchronized to the sun.  Basically requires an inclination of about 98 degrees.  AO-91, AO-92, and many others use this.  AO-85 does not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-synchronous_orbit

73,

Alan
WA4SCA


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<Person via AMSAT-BB
<Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 14:17 PM
<To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
<
<Doesn't "sun synchronous orbit" mean orbiting the sun? Why would that be
<of value for amateur radio communications?
<
<Doug -- KJ0F
<
<On 8/29/2019 9:54 AM, Gregory Beat via AMSAT-BB wrote:
<> SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
<> Monthly missions as low as $1 million
<> https://www.spacex.com/smallsat
<>
<> SpaceX?s SmallSat Rideshare Program will provide small satellite operators
<with regularly scheduled, dedicated Falcon 9 rideshare missions to sun
<synchronous orbit (SSO) for ESPA class payloads for as low as $1M per mission,
<which includes up to 200 kg of payload mass.
<> Unlike traditional rideshare opportunities, these missions will not be
<dependent on a primary. These missions will be pre-scheduled and will not be
<held up by delays with co-passengers.
<>
<> For payloads who run into development or production challenges leading up
<to launch, SpaceX will allow them to apply 100% of monies paid towards the
<cost of rebooking on a subsequent mission, subject to a 10% rebooking fee.
<>
<> ==
<> greg, w9gb
<>
<> Sent from iPad Air
<> _______________________________________________
<> Sent via AMSAT-BB at amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
<available
<> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
<Opinions expressed
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<AMSAT-NA.
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From martha at amsat.org  Fri Aug 30 16:24:03 2019
From: martha at amsat.org (Martha)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:24:03 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] Office Closed
Message-ID: <CAPk0USxgOSj3m6+esPrDw45R8Yvc2fRRWB2bMZkpx3RADV-0ig@mail.gmail.com>

The AMSAT Office will be closed from Friday, August 30th - Tuesday,
September 10th.  I will not be answering email or messages.  AMSAT's only
employee is going on vacation!

-- 
73- Martha

From zmetzing at pobox.com  Fri Aug 30 17:35:24 2019
From: zmetzing at pobox.com (Zach Metzinger)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:35:24 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
In-Reply-To: <ca9a9219-d02a-6333-a0a2-934beb305922@kj0f.com>
References: <A1CCD060-9EC1-4B1C-B886-42A1414E7454@icloud.com>
	<ca9a9219-d02a-6333-a0a2-934beb305922@kj0f.com>
Message-ID: <0924858e-c23b-1f47-a19d-deb3b28a7407@pobox.com>

On 2019-08-29 14:17, Doug Person via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Doesn't "sun synchronous orbit" mean orbiting the sun? Why would that be 
> of value for amateur radio communications?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-synchronous_orbit

--- Zach
N0ZGO

From quadpugh at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug 30 20:59:57 2019
From: quadpugh at bellsouth.net (Nick Pugh)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 15:59:57 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] share a room
Message-ID: <00b501d55f75$e1e94070$a5bbc150$@bellsouth.net>

I have reservation for the symposium Thursday through Sunday. Would anyone
on the bb want to share a room??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nick

 

Cell      337 258 2527

 

Helping UL become a world Class Engineering  and Educational School

Disagree I Learn

 

 


From rjlawn at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 22:33:46 2019
From: rjlawn at gmail.com (Richard Lawn)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:33:46 -0400
Subject: [amsat-bb] 9700 & SatPC32 Problem
Message-ID: <CADQmrTGOFhjCQAemgi74pyd3C+xoYb=w1nOwOANFAkv6h-NOPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I recently got home from my remote station location and brought the 9700
back to the home QTH. I did the firmware update to 1.13 and installed the
latest version of SatPC32 that accommodates the 9700.

The problem is the frequencies on the radio are not being updated by
SatPC32. It seems to work for a short time and then updates stop. Both
radio and software are set to baud rate of 115200, Echo back is on. What am
I missing or doing wrong?

Rick, W2JAZ

From k9jkm at comcast.net  Sat Aug 31 23:52:15 2019
From: k9jkm at comcast.net (JoAnne K9JKM)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:52:15 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-244 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins
Message-ID: <877a5e7a-8e33-4727-92fa-4973886ebfd2@comcast.net>

AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-244

The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.

The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.

Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor at amsat.org.

You can sign up for free e-mail delivery of the AMSAT News Service
Bulletins via the ANS List; to join this list see:
http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans

In this edition:

* 2019 37th AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual General Meeting
* 2019 AMSAT Symposium Early-Bird Registration Rate Until September 15
* Second Call for AMSAT 2019 Symposium Papers
* Mark Johns, K?JM, Appointed Editor-in-Chief AMSAT News Service
* Emergency Traffic Relayed over AO-92 Satellite
* University of Tsukuba YUI Satellite Project D-ATV User Survey
* ARISS Activities
* AMSAT SA Dual Band Yagi Now Available for Export
* Upcoming Satellite Operations
* German CEPT Response States Sharing of 144-146 MHz Not Realistic
* Talks by Radio Amateurs at UKHAS Conference London Sept 7
* CAMSAT Applies for IARU Coordination for Four V/U Transponder Satellites
* Satellite Shorts From All Over


SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-244.01
ANS-244 AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletins

AMSAT News Service Bulletin 244.01
 ?From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE September 1, 2019
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-244.01

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The AMSAT Office will be closed from Friday, August 30th - Tuesday,
September 10th.

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2019 37th AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual General Meeting

Please join us for the 2019 AMSAT 50th Anniversary Symposium, to be
held in the Washington, DC Metro Area on October 18, 19, and 20,
2019.

The Symposium venue will be the Hilton Arlington, located in the
heart of the Ballston neighborhood of Arlington, VA. The Hilton
Arlington is located at 950 North Stafford Street, Arlington,
Virginia, 22203, USA TEL: +1-703-528-6000 and the reservation code is
AMSAT (Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation).

Connected to the Ballston Metro Station, the hotel offers easy and
effortless access to Washington DC's top tourist destinations like
the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums and historic monuments. The
hotel is six miles from Reagan National Airport and the National Mall.
There are plenty of restaurants nearby.

The Symposium will feature OSCAR Park - a display of satellites from
throughout the history of amateur radio in space - paper
presentations, and a banquet with speakers celebrating AMSAT's long
history, and other events. The AMSAT Board of Directors Meeting will
be held on October 16th and 17th at the same hotel. Two guided tours
are available. On Sunday, October 20th a bus tour to the Smithsonian
Air & Space Museum is available for $30 (max 35 people) and on
Monday, October 21st, AMSAT President Joe Spier will lead a day tour
to the National Mall via the Metro.

So please plan on attending the 50th Anniversary Symposium - you
will be glad you did and keep checking the AMSAT website for further
updates and information.

The 2019 AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual Meeting features:

+ Space Symposium with Amateur Satellite Presentations
+ Operating Techniques, News, & Plans from the Amateur Satellite World
+ Board of Directors Meeting open to AMSAT members (October 16-17)
+ Opportunities to Meet Board Members and Officers
+ AMSAT? Annual General Membership Meeting
+ Annual Banquet, Speakers and Door Prizes !!

The latest news and information is always posted at:
https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium/

[ANS thanks the 2019 AMSAT Symposium Team for the above information]

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2019 AMSAT Symposium Early-Bird Registration Rate Until September 15

An early-bird registration rate for the 37th Annual AMSAT Space
Symposium and General Meeting, Friday through Sunday, October 18-20,
2019, in Arlington, Virginia, is available through September 15, 2019
per the following schedule:

Early Registration Through September 15, 2019 ......... $60
Registration September 16, 2019 ? October 11, 2019 .... $65
Registration at the Door .............................. $70

You can complete your registration on-line via the AMSAT Store:
https://www.amsat.org/product-category/amsat-symposium/

This year, all registrants will receive a digital copy of the Proceed-
ings on a thumb drive. Attendees may purchase a hard copy for $25.00.
Non-attendees may put their name on a waiting list for a hard copy, if
there are any left over. The digital version of the Proceedings will
be made available on the online store shortly after the Symposium
concludes.

Student Registration is 50% off and does not include the Proceedings.

[ANS thanks the 2019 AMSAT Symposium Team for the above information]

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Second Call for AMSAT 2019 Symposium Papers

This is the second call for papers for the 2019 AMSAT-NA Annual
Meeting and Space Symposium to be held on October 18-20 at the
Hilton Arlington, 950 North Stafford Street, Arlington, Virginia.

Proposals for papers, symposium presentations, and poster
presentations are invited on any topic of interest to the amateur
satellite community. We request a tentative title of your
presentation as soon as possible, with final copy to be submitted by
September 23 for inclusion in the printed proceedings. Abstracts
and papers should be sent to Dan Schultz at n8fgv at amsat dot org.

[ANS thanks Dan Schultz, N8FGV for the above information.]

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Mark Johns, K?JM, Appointed Editor-in-Chief AMSAT News Service

Robert Bankston, KE4AL, VP-User Services announced the appointment of
Mark D. Johns, K?JM, as Editor-in-Chief of the AMSAT News Service.

Johns, currently serving as a rotating ANS weekly editor, steps up to
replace EMike McCardel, AA8EM, who is facing a long recovery follow-
ing a serious injury while clearing storm damage at his home in early
August.

Mark Johns is Professor Emeritus, Journalism and Communication Stud-
ies, of Luther College, Decorah, Iowa, but now resides in the Minne-
apolis, Minn. area. He is a life member of ARRL and AMSAT, holds a
DXCC Satelite certificate, and is a member of the Minnesota Wireless
Association and the Twin Cities DX Association (TCDXA). Mark is also
on the editorial staff of the Gray Line Report, the newsletter of
the TCDXA.

Mark grew up in Des Moines, Iowa and was first licensed there in 1967
as WN?RGV. Through college, grad school, and early career he operated
from various QTHs in Nebraska, Minnesota, and Iowa as WA?RGV, and
later as K?MDJ. He began operating satellites in the early 1980s.
After living in Cedar Falls, Iowa for 26 years, he took a one year
work assignment in Nottingham, UK during 2011-12 and operated there
as M?GZO. From fall of 2012 until spring of 2017 his QTH was Decorah,
but he also operated in Malta as 9H3DJ for half of 2016 while on an-
other work assignment. His current callsign was granted in 2018, and
he is primarily active on the linear transponder satellites.

[ANS thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL, VP-User Services for the above
 ?information]

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Emergency Traffic Relayed over AO-92 Satellite

On August 27, 2019, Clayton, W5PFG, and his father Jack, AC5DI, were
traversing the Chihuahuan Desert in Big Bend National Park, Texas,
USA, when their vehicle became stuck in mud from recent monsoon rains.

Being stuck up to the axles, they were unable to self-recover from
the situation, requiring assistance from Park Rangers. August temper-
atures in this desert reach upwards of 110-115 degrees Fahrenheit.
There is no mobile phone coverage outside park headquarters.

Clayton made contact via AMSAT satellite AO-92 with Kevin, KK4YEL,
in Florida. During the satellite pass, stations stood by while Clayton
relayed emergency traffic to Kevin. This information included details
about the situation including precise latitude and longitude, the
phone number for Big Bend National Park, vehicle description, and wel-
fare of the party.

Other stations listening to the pass including Brian, KG5GJT, contacted
the park headquarters. Within two hours, Park Rangers arrived on scene
and recovered the stuck vehicle. No person was injured, and no equipment
was damaged.

Clayton and Jack were traveling to DL88jx, a maidenhead grid square high-
ly sought after by many ARRL VUCC members. Clayton had previously made
two successful trips to DL88jx. Both Clayton and Jack are very grateful
to Kevin, KK4YEL, the responsiveness of the amateur radio community,
and to the Park Rangers and staff of Big Bend National Park.

Incident discussion via Twitter quickly provided recordings of the
AO-92 satellite traffic:

Recording courtesy of KQ4MM
https://twitter.com/KQ4MM/status/1166396579416354816

Recording courtesy of CO6CBF/W5CBF
https://twitter.com/CO6CBF/status/1166432549847085056

[ANS thanks Clayton Coleman, W5PFG, for the above information]

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 ?? Purchase AMSAT Gear on our Zazzle storefront.
 ?????????? 25% of the purchase price of each product goes
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University of Tsukuba YUI Satellite Project D-ATV User Survey

Takehiro Okamoto, student leader of University of Tsukuba YUI project
in Japan, reports his team is developing a 2U cubesat planned to fea-
ture real-time video transmission from space as the main mission. This
project, wants the general public to view and use the images, and are
soliciting user opinions.

They plan to downlink D-ATV from the 2U CubeSat, similar to HamTV
from the ISS. Complete the survey posted at:
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-Tsukuba-Survey (use google translate)

The university YUI cubesat development web page can be accessed at:
https://yui.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp/? (use google translate)

[ANS thanks Takehiro Okamoto, University of Tsukuba for the above
 ?information]

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ARISS Activities

+ Tuesday, September 3, 2019 08:06 UTC
 ? Kingston Community School, Kingston SE, South Australia, tele-
 ? bridge via K6DUE located in Maryland. The ISS callsign is pre-
 ? sently scheduled to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut is Drew
 ? Morgan KI5AAA. Listen on 145.800 for east coast North American
 ? stations.

+ Tuesday, September 3, 2019 16:05 UTC
 ? Galileo STEM Academy, Eagle, ID, direct via W7GSA. The ISS call-
 ? sign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS. The scheduled astronaut
 ? is Nick Hague KG5TMV. Listen on 145.800 for western North Amer-
 ? ican stations.

AMSAT and ARISS are currently supporting a FundRazr campaign to raise
$150,000 for critical radio infrastructure upgrades on ISS. These up-
grades are necessary to enable students to continue to talk to astro-
nauts in space via Amateur Radio. We have reached a great milestone
with $24,130 raised or about 16% towards our goal. This would not have
been possible without your outstanding generosity!! For more informa-
tion and to DONATE TODAY visit:
 ????? https://fundrazr.com/arissnextgen?ref=ab_e7Htwa_ab_47IcJ9

[ANS thanks ARISS for the above information]

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AMSAT SA Dual Band Yagi Now Available for Export

AMSAT South Africa (AMSAT SA) has developed a dual-band Yagi VHF/UHF
antenna for satellite operation. The antenna has a 50-ohm designed
driver. The Yagi has a unique element called a 'Open Sleeve' which
is a director very close to the driven element. The driven element
is sized for 2M.? When operating on 70cm the 'Open Sleeve' acts as
part of the driven element on 70cm (Third harmonic of 2M).

The original concept was developed in 1946 by Dr J T Bolljahn of the
Stanford Research institute but was not introduced into amateur radio
until the 1950s. The AMSAT SA version is based on a design by DK7ZB
with modifications by WB5CXC.

Until recently this antenna was available only in South Africa. Fol-
lowing requests from many amateurs outside South Africa AMSAT SA can
offer the Yagi for export if ordered in a batch of 6, at R950 each
(approx US $65), total for a batch of 6 is R5700. (approx US $ 390)
to countries in the European Union and the USA. For Australia and New
Zealand R1000 per unit in a batch of 6 total RR6000. Pricing for
other countries on request.

More information is available on the AMSAT SA web:
http://www.amsatsa.org.za/
http://www.amsatsa.org.za/DualbandYagi.htm

[ANS thanks AMSAT SA for the above information]

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Upcoming Satellite Operations

+ Help Celebrate AMSAT's 50th Anniversary with these "W3ZM on the Road"
 ? Operations: https://www.amsat.org/events/was-w3zm/

+ N7MJ Roving 11 State Tour - WY, NE, IA, IL, KY, TN, AR, OK, TX, NM,
 ? AZ, August 25th - September 9th, 2019.
 ? Jack M7MJ is heading out (in his Vette) on a 2 weeks road trip from
 ? Cheyenne, WY to the big 25th Anniversary Celebration of the National
 ? Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, KY, (August 28-31). Then he will
 ? head through TN to AR (EM34) for a family gathering 9/3-4, the
 ? another family gathering 9/4-5 in Atoka, OK (EM14/24). With the
 ? partying over, down through TX and NM and end up in Chandler, AZ.
 ? FM only.

+ Way Up in the Northeast (GN27, GN26, GN37)? Aug 26 - Sept 7, 2019
 ? Chris, VE3FU will be in GN27 August 26-30 and will try to make a trip
 ? to GN26, possibly on the GN26/27 line.? He will be in GN37 (again)
 ? August 30-September 7.? Chris will be operating as VO2AC/1 and try to
 ? announce operating times on Twitter as far ahead as possible.
 ? https://twitter.com/ChrisVE3FU.

+ Peru - August 31 - September 7, 2019
 ? Tony, KD8RTT will be in Peru Saturday night, August 31 and leave on
 ? Saturday, September 7.? FM passes, mainly AO-91 and AO-92, vacation
 ? schedule permitting.? Tony is not exactly sure what days/times he can
 ? operate yet, but he'll try to tweet before he gets on any passes.
 ? https://twitter.com/kd8rtt

+ AM1SAT (All Grids in Spain)? September 9-15, 2019
 ? AMSAT-EA will be transmitting its special call AM1SAT via all active
 ? satellites from September 9th to September 15th as part of the V
 ? RadioHam Fair IberRadio 2019 activities. IberRadio is the biggest
 ? event for the ham community in SouthWest Europe and will open doors
 ? September 14th and 15th . Learn more about IberRadio at
 ? http://www.iberradio.es.

 ? The AM1SAT call sign will be active from a minimum of 14 different
 ? grids during that time to help satellite operators to collect as
 ? much EA locators as possible.

 ? As part of this activity and in order to promote the participation,
 ? AMSAT-EA is sponsoring the AM1SAT Special Award in two categories,
 ? Silver and Gold.? More info available at https://www.amsat-ea.org/
 ? and as a pdf at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-AM1SAT-Award.

+ D4, CAPE VERDE (Update/Satellite Op). Harald, DF2WO, will once
 ? again be active as D44TWO from Praia, Santiago Island (AF-005),
 ? between September 29th and October 13th. Activity will be holiday
 ? style on 160-10 meters using CW, SSB and mostly the Digital modes.
 ? (FT8, PSK31, JT65 and RTTY) and slow CW.

 ? Harald has been working hard in the last few months getting his
 ? satellite station for QO-100 working and is now confident he will
 ? use it from Cabo Verde. He will be using an Icom 7300, 2 Transvert-
 ? ers with 3 watts output on EsHail using the QO-100 Geostationary
 ? Satellite. He will also have a FT-450D into a homemade HEX BEAM
 ? and a dipole for 40 meters. Please DO NOT send your card via the
 ? Bureau it WILL NOT be received - To receive a bureau card you MUST
 ? request via M0OXO OQRS ONLY! (Via Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #1428)

+ WW0, UNITED STATES (Special Event). Members of the Northern Colorado
 ? Amateur Radio Club (NCARC), WWV ARC, RMHam, and FCCW along with the
 ? National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) will activate
 ? special event station WW0WWV between September 28 and October 2 to
 ? celebrate the 100th anniversary of WWV, the world's oldest contin-
 ? uously operating radio station.

 ? The WW0WWV station(s) will be set up adjacent to the WWV transmitter
 ? site in Fort Collins, Colorado. Operations will be on various HF bands
 ? following typical propagation, and will include 160 meters as well as
 ? satellites (SO-50, AO-91, and AO-92) and 6-meter meteor scatter.

 ? Modes will be CW, SSB and digital. QSL via ClubLog's OQRS, LoTW,
 ? or direct to the WWV Amateur Radio Club, 1713 Ridgewood Rd, Fort
 ? Collins, CO 80526, USA. For more details, visit the following URLs:
 ? http://wwv100.com
 ? https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-NIST-WWV
 ? (Via Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #1428)

[ANS Thanks Robert Bankston, KE4AL, for the above information]

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 ???? The Fox-In-A-Box Raspberry Pi SD card for setting up a
 ?? Raspberry Pi-based telemetry station for the Fox-1 satellites
 ?????????????? now supports the Raspberry Pi 4.
 ????????????? Get yours today on the AMSAT Store!
 ?? https://amsat.org/product/fox-in-a-box-raspberry-pi-sd-card/

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German CEPT Response States Sharing of 144-146 MHz Not Realistic

Update: The ARRL reported on August 30, 2019 -
144 ? 146 MHz Removed from French Proposal for Additional Aero-
nautical Applications:?https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-ARRL-2M-Removed

The latest development regarding the proposal to share 144-146 MHz
comes from Germany.

They state, "Germany does not support the inclusion of the 144-146 MHz
primary allocated to the amateur service/amateur satellite service in
the proposed WRC-23 agenda item regarding a possible new allocation to
the aeronautical mobile service (AMS) for non-safety applications.

Consequently, Germany cannot determine a single realistic sharing scen-
ario, not leading to serious mutual interference on both sides and not
seriously degrading the use of the 144-146 MHz band."

This document can accessed at:
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-German-CEPT-Response

[ANS thanks CEPT/European Electronic Communications Committee for the
 ?above information]

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Talks by Radio Amateurs at UKHAS Conference London Sept 7

The 2019 UK High Altitude Society Conference is taking place in White
City, London on Saturday, September 7.

The conference takes place at The Invention Rooms, 68 Wood Lane, White
City, London, W12 7TA, and attracts those interested in learning about
building and flying High Altitude Balloons or in tracking their 434 MHz
signals.

Some of the radio amateurs giving talks on high altitude balloon communi-
cations are:

+ AutoRX by Mark Jessop VK5QI
+ Citizen space exploration & inflatable spacecraft by Michael
 ? Johnson M0MJJ
+ The Apollo Flight ? model-making and tech behind the dashboard
 ? by Dave Akerman M0RPI
+ Insurance & UKHAS Server Support by Steve Randall G8KHW
+ Recovering, Reprogramming and Re-flying Radiosondes by Andrew
 ? Mulholland MI0BPB
+ Hwoyee NSL-45 Experiences by Dave Akerman M0RPI and Steve
 ? Randall G8KHW

There will be helium and foil balloons available for the pico launch
at the end of the conference.

UKHAS conference information is at:
 ?https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2019

Tickets are at https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-Tickets-UKHAS

[ANS thanks UKHAS and AMSAT-UK for the above information]

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 ???????? The digital download version of the 2019 edition of
 ??? Getting Started with Amateur Satellites is now available as a
 ?????? DRM-free PDF from the AMSAT Store.? Get yours today!
 ????????? https://tinyurl.com/ANS-237-Getting-Started

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CAMSAT Applies for IARU Coordination for Four V/U Transponder Satellites

The Chinese Amateur Satellite Group (CAMSAT) has applied for frequency
coordination for four small satellites - CAS-8A, CAS-8B, CAS-8C, and
CAS-8D. The CAS-8 satellites are a Student Small Satellites project
initiated by the Asia-Pacific Space Cooperation Organization (APSCO),
which is headquartered in Beijing China. APSCO was inaugurated in 2008
as an inter-governmental organization. including Bangladesh, China,
Mongolia, Pakistan, Peru, Thailand, Turkey and Indonesia.

The project consists of four satellites, including a pilot microsatel-
lite CAS-8A for technical verification and a primary microsatellite
CAS-8B, two 3U cube satellites CAS-8C and CAS-8D. CAS-8A is scheduled
to be launched by the end of 2020, and the CAS-8B, CAS-8C, CAS-8D sat-
ellites are scheduled to be launched at the end of 2021 ON the same
launch.

The CAS-8 satellites project is supported by the Chinese government. The
project is led by Beihang University, which is China's most outstanding
university in aerospace. tHE Chinese Amateur Satellite Group (CAMSAT)
cooperates with Beihang University to bring amateur radio into the pro-
ject.

the CAS-8 satellites will realize the synergy between the eight countries
of APSCO to build an amateur radio alliance through space, adding new
science popularization tools to young students in APSCO member countries
for self-training, inter-communication and technical investigations, and
also providing a new satellite platform for amateur radio enthusiasts
around the world.

CAMSAT 8A - 30kg Microsat. V/U transponder, UHF CW and AX25 4k8/9k6
 ??????????? GMSK telemetry beacons and S Band 192kbps GMSK Image and
 ??????????? 4k8/9k6 GMSK telemetry downlinks. Planning a launch from
 ??????????? Jiuquan in Oct 2020 into a 600km SSO.

CAMSAT 8B - 30kg Microsat. V/U transponder, UHF CW and AX25 4k8/9k6
 ??????????? GMSK telemetry beacons and S Band 192kbps GMSK Image and
 ??????????? 4k8/9k6 GMSK telemetry downlinks. Planning a launch from
 ??????????? Jiuquan in Oct 2021 into a 600km SSO.

CAMSAT 8C - 3U CubeSat. V/U linear transponder, UHF CW and AX25 4k8/9k6
 ??????????? GMSK telemetry downlinks and S Band AX25 4k8/9k6 GMSK inter
 ??????????? satellite links. Planning a launch from Jiuqhan in Oct 20121
 ??????????? into a 600km SSO.

CAMSAT 8D - 3U CubeSat. V/U linear transponder, UHF CW and AX25 4k8/9k6
 ??????????? GMSK telemetry downlinks and S Band AX25 4k8/9k6 GMSK inter
 ??????????? satellite links. Planning a launch from Jiuqhan in Oct 20121
 ??????????? into a 600km SSO.

Additional information is pending IARU frequency coordination activities.

[ANS thanks CAMSAT and the IARU for the above information]

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Satellite Shorts From All Over

+ NASA will be tracking Hurricane Dorian throughout this Labor Day
 ? (USA) weekend. The agency will provide status updates on the storm
 ? as it nears Florida and NASA's Kennedy Space Center on the state's
 ? central east coast, as well as updated video and imagery. Status
 ? updates on Hurricane Dorian will be available at:
 ? https://blogs.nasa.gov/hurricanes/tag/dorian-2019/
 ? Updated imagery and video of the storm, including any view of Dorian
 ? from the International Space Station, will be available as soon as
 ? possible the NASA Media Resources page at:
 ? https://www.nasa.gov/mediaresources

+ 2019 marks AMSAT?s 50th Anniversary of Keeping Amateur Radio in
 ? Space. To help celebrate, AMSAT is sponsoring the AMSAT 50th
 ? Anniversary Awards Program. Full details are available at
 ? https://www.amsat.org/amsat-50th-anniversary-awards-program/
 ? Bruce Paige, KK5DO, Director of Contests and Awards, reported
 ? this week that the awards are being printed and will be sent
 ? shortly to all those who have applied.

+ The Huntingdon, West Virginia Herald Dispatch newspaper published
 ? a feature, "Ham radio event planned at South Point library" inform-
 ? ing interested Tri-State residents will have an opportunity to find
 ? out what ham radio and Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) are
 ? all about during the event "HAM Radio ? From Across the Street to
 ? Outer Space," set to take place at 6 p.m. Sept. 9 at the Briggs
 ? Lawrence County Public Library's Southern Branch. Presentations
 ? include a look at amateur radio's role and capability of communi-
 ? cating with the space shuttle, satellites and moon bounce.
 ? Access the full article at:
 ? https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-Herald-Dispatch

+ The Mohammed bin Rashid space centre in Duibai has just announced
 ? on its twitter account that Astronaut Hazza alMansoori, the first
 ? Emirati astronaut, with the support of the Emirati Amateur Radio
 ? Society, will link from the ISS to the MBR Space Centre, during his
 ? misison from September 25th to October 4th. Further details will
 ? probably be announced by the MBR space centre on its twitter
 ? account:? @MBRSpaceCentre? (AMSAT-UK via Twitter)

+ Wondering what Terran radio hits our friends on Proxima Centauri
 ? are listening to? www.lightyear.fm has you covered! Currently,
 ? they're catching Pharrel's Happy for the first time (and they
 ? really have no idea how many commercials they'll be receiving
 ? shortly that use it as background music). (OrbitalIndex.com)

+ NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab offers teachers of advanced placement
 ? math classes a lesson plan to calculate a flight to Mars. The
 ? Hohmann transfer is an elliptical orbit with the sun at one focus
 ? of the ellipse that intersects the orbit of the target planet.
 ? Launch occurs when Earth is at Hohmann perihelion (the point of
 ? the Hohmann orbit that is closest to the sun). Arrival occurs
 ? when Mars is at Hohmann aphelion (the point of the Hohmann orbit
 ? that is farthest from the sun). See:
 ? https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-JPL-Hohmann-Orbit (www.jpl.nasa.gov)

+ Looking for a hands-on, out-of-this-world way to teach the engin-
 ? eering design process? Check out "Build a Satellite" from NASA
 ? challenge your students to design, build, test & improve a model
 ? satellite using common household items:
 ? https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/teach/activity/build-a-satellite/
 ? https://twitter.com/NASASTEM/status/1166349655124389888

+ Buy your kid a Happy Meal and get a STEM book ...
 ? https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-NASA-STEM-Books

+ AMSAT congratulates Jeff Johns, WE4B on his recognition of support
 ? of the Young Amateurs Communications Ham Team, K8KDZ (Y.A.C.H.T)
 ? YACHT's mission is to expand horizons in the field of communicat-
 ? ions along with general and advanced ham radio techniques, and to
 ? foster a greater appreciation of the role they play in the overall
 ? hobby of amateur radio, as well as giving kids a challenge and
 ? enjoyment. See http://yacht.younghams.org/ (via Twitter)

+ Photos posted-- Motorola Special Event Station Celebrating "One
 ? Giant Leap For Mankind". The Motorola Special Event celebrating
 ? Apollo 11 went off without a hitch as we had a very good turn out
 ? of club members rotating the support of operations of one radio
 ? operator and one logger from 8am Saturday till noon Sunday. A little
 ? over 400 contacts were made including some that were engineers work-
 ? ing for other contractors on the Apollo program, current and former
 ? Motorola employees, and customers of MSI. One of the highlights of
 ? the event was the re-transmission of the audio of the lunar landing
 ? exactly 50 years later.? We asked for a pause in on-air traffic and
 ? the hundreds of people calling us went silent as we sent out the
 ? landing audio on a completely clear channel. Once again thank you
 ? to everyone that made this possible. It is very special to see
 ? interest in science and engineering in our up and coming genera-
 ? tion! Let's hope we can continue to foster interest in them much as
 ? the 400,000+ Heros of Apollo in the astronauts, engineers and scien-
 ? tists that made it happen did it for our generation. Visit the photo
 ? album posted at:
 ? https://km0to.shutterfly.com/k9motspecialevent50yearslunarl/88

+ Starting September 3, 2019, K-12 students in U.S. public, private
 ? and home schools can enter the Mars 2020 Name the Rover essay contest.
 ? One grand prize winner will name the rover and be invited to see the
 ? spacecraft launch in July 2020 from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station
 ? in Florida. The Name the Rover contest is part of NASA's efforts to
 ? engage students in the STEM enterprise behind Mars exploration and
 ? inspire interest in science, technology, engineering and mathematics.
 ? The deadline for submissions is November 1, 2019. NASA posted all the
 ? info at: https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/participate/name-the-rover/

+ Registrations are now open for ESA?s Open Day in the Netherlands on
 ? Sunday 6 October ? your chance to meet astronauts, space experts and
 ? see behind the scenes of Europe?s space adventure at ESA?s largest
 ? establishment. The theme of this year?s event is ?ESA to the Moon?.
 ? As well as celebrating the 50th anniversary of the first Apollo lunar
 ? landing, the Open Day will also be looking forward, highlighting ESA?s
 ? role in returning people to the Moon, including contributing the ser-
 ? vice module to NASA?s Orion spacecraft and participating in the Lunar
 ? Gateway. Event information and registration can be accessed at:
 ? https://tinyurl.com/ANS-244-ESTEC-Open-Day

[ANS thanks everyone for the above information]

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In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. Application forms are available from the AMSAT
Office.

Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Contact Martha at the AMSAT Office for additional student membership
information.

73 and remember to behave and to help keep amateur radio in space,
This week's ANS Editor,
JoAnne Maenpaa, K9JKM
k9jkm at amsat dot org