[amsat-bb] Falconsat-3 upload problem

Hans BX2ABT hans.bx2abt at msa.hinet.net
Tue Jun 18 14:07:18 UTC 2019


Hello all,

Got all your TESTING UPLOAD messages in loud and clear. My message to 
K4KDR didn't get send out. I'm still (re)searching about the cause of 
this. Later......

Hans

BX2ABT


On 06/18/2019 09:45 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> I was able to upload a message (to you!) on FS-3 last night/this 
> morning, fully automated.  So the satellite is evidently behaving OK.
>
> Hope you get it figured out.  Since I don't use Direwolf, sorry I 
> can't give any suggestions.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark N8MH
>
> At 08:07 AM 6/18/2019 +0800, Hans BX2ABT wrote:
>
>> I didn't write it directly, but I assumed from the description you 
>> would read that I indeed run full duplex (and to add to this: my 
>> system is Linux, not Windows). If not Direwolf will wait for a free 
>> window to throw out packets which will never happen because FS-3 is 
>> on all the time. No, everything is working, except for the problem I 
>> described before: all commands to the bird are heard and responded 
>> to, but uploading a message will fail.
>>
>> Desensing is also not the problem: got the appropriate filters in 
>> place for that. Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> BX2ABT
>>
>> On 06/17/2019 10:52 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
>>> Hello Hans, I have not been working FS-3 recently, since the IC-9700 
>>> will not do 9600 packet [iCom, please fix!!] :(    So I cannot 
>>> comment on recent uploads. However, to add to Bob's thoughts--are 
>>> you running full duplex?  It's critical.  Also, is your transmit 
>>> signal desensitizing your receive signal?   That is important, too.Â
>>>
>>> In the next week or so I will change radios at my station so I can 
>>> again use FS-3.   I'll be better able to share current experiences 
>>> with you.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark N8MH
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:19 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB 
>>> <amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I'm not behind my shack computer right now, but I know that PSGS
>>>     and
>>>     Direwolf each have a TX delay. Are you referring to those maybe
>>>     being
>>>     too long? If so, then why are all other commands  (DL and
>>>     directory
>>>     listings) giving me no problem?
>>>
>>>     73 de Hans
>>>
>>>     BX2ABT
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 06/17/2019 08:53 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>>>     > I am no expert.  But remember that your RF and all processing
>>>     has to
>>>     > be full duplex.  The turn arround for packets in the
>>>     satellite is
>>>     > instantaneous.
>>>     > with no TXD delays.  Bob
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:24 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB
>>>     > <amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>>     <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb at amsat.org>>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >     Up til now I have been successful in getting
>>>     PacSatGroundStation
>>>     >     (PSGS)
>>>     >     to work on receive. You can go here if you want to see
>>>     my setup:
>>>     >     http://bx2abt.com/main/Falconsat-3
>>>     <http://bx2abt.com/main/Falconsat-3> . I can hit FalconSat-3 with a
>>>     >     directory request or file download request and get an
>>>     immediate
>>>     >     response
>>>     >     and consequent downloads. Uploading is a different
>>>     story, however. I
>>>     >     have been able to get some messages uploaded, but it
>>>     was more by
>>>     >     chance.
>>>     >     Right now if I want to upload I seem to get into a loop
>>>     where PSGS
>>>     >     keeps
>>>     >     on sending out the same frame (I presume), then
>>>     disconnects, after
>>>     >     which
>>>     >     the whole cycle starts over again.
>>>     >
>>>     >      From the PSGS debugging info you can see that I am
>>>     successful in
>>>     >     logging into PFS3-12. My file gets a designated ID
>>>     (1f14 in this
>>>     >     case)
>>>     >     and is ready to be received. Then it uploads what I
>>>     presume is one
>>>     >     frame
>>>     >     (you can see this in Direwolf where the same chunk of
>>>     data is send
>>>     >     over
>>>     >     and over again) after which possibly the reason why
>>>     things don't
>>>     >     work:
>>>     >     "ER_BODY_CHECK received while uploading:
>>>     >    Â
>>>     /home/hans/PacSatGroundData/FalconSat-3/BX2ABT17.txt.out". The only
>>>     >     mention of ER_BODY_CHECK I can find on the internet is
>>>     that it is
>>>     >     sent
>>>     >     when the checksum on the file body fails. After that
>>>     the whole
>>>     >     sequence
>>>     >     starts again, so the message never gets uploaded and
>>>     out of the queue.
>>>     >
>>>     >     Does this problem lie with FalconSat-3, Direwolf or
>>>     PGSG, or
>>>     >     somewhere
>>>     >     else? Where is the checksum being made? This is my
>>>     first forray into
>>>     >     packet radio/PacSat, so I'm not an expert (yet). I
>>>     don't want to make
>>>     >     any (un)educated guesses, thus any help or hints are
>>>     appreciated.
>>>     >     Cheers,
>>>     >
>>>     >     Hans
>>>     >     BX2ABT
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >     This is the output (with debugging turned on) of PSGS:
>>>     >
>>>     >     --------BEGIN-------
>>>     >     Open ABCD:
>>>     >     Ready to upload file: BX2ABT17.txt.out
>>>     >     B: 209908947.
>>>     >     U>>
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Open: Adding UP LINK Event: UL_CONNECT
>>>     >     PB: Empty..
>>>     >     I>>From:PFS3-12 to BX2ABT  Ctrl: 0 Type: I Cmd PF: 0
>>>     NR: 0 NS: 0Â
>>>     >     5 2 cc
>>>     >     a7 fb 5c 4> SUCCESSFUL LOGIN to PFS3-12 by BX2ABT
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Open: Adding UP LINK Event: From:PFS3-12 to
>>>     BX2ABT Ctrl: 0
>>>     >     Type: I Cmd PF: 0 NR: 0  NS: 0  5 2 cc a7 fb 5c 4>
>>>     SUCCESSFUL
>>>     >     LOGIN to
>>>     >     PFS3-12 by BX2ABT
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Cmd Ok: Adding UP LINK Event: UL_REQUEST_UPLOAD
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Cmd Ok: UL_CMD: From:BX2ABT to PFS3-12 Ctrl: 0
>>>     Type: I
>>>     >     Cmd PF:
>>>     >     0 NR: 0  NS: 0  8 3 14 1f 0 0 31 3 0 0 UL CMD:
>>>     UPLOAD_CMD File: 1f14
>>>     >     Size: 331
>>>     >     S>>
>>>     >     I>>From:PFS3-12 to BX2ABT  Ctrl: 22 Type: I Cmd PF: 0
>>>     NR: 1 NS: 1Â
>>>     >     8 4
>>>     >     14 1f 0 0 31 3 0 0> Ready to receive file: 1f14 from
>>>     BX2ABT  at
>>>     >     off: 817
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Waiting: Adding UP LINK Event: From:PFS3-12 to
>>>     BX2ABT
>>>     >     Ctrl: 22
>>>     >     Type: I Cmd PF: 0 NR: 1  NS: 1  8 4 14 1f 0 0 31 3 0
>>>     0> Ready to
>>>     >     receive
>>>     >     file: 1f14 from BX2ABT  at off: 817
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Waiting: UL_GO_RESP: From:PFS3-12 to BX2ABT 
>>>     Ctrl: 22
>>>     >     Type: I
>>>     >     Cmd PF: 0 NR: 1  NS: 1  8 4 14 1f 0 0 31 3 0 0> Ready
>>>     to receive
>>>     >     file:
>>>     >     1f14 from BX2ABT  at off: 817
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Waiting: GO FILE>From:PFS3-12 to BX2ABT 
>>>     Ctrl: 22 Type: I
>>>     >     Cmd
>>>     >     PF: 0 NR: 1  NS: 1  8 4 14 1f 0 0 31 3 0 0> Ready to
>>>     receive file:
>>>     >     1f14
>>>     >     from BX2ABT  at off: 817
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Data: Adding UP LINK Event: UL_DATA_END
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Data: UL_DATA_END: UL_DATA_END
>>>     >     S>>
>>>     >     I>>From:PFS3-12 to BX2ABT  Ctrl: 44 Type: I Cmd PF: 0
>>>     NR: 2 NS: 2Â
>>>     >     1 7
>>>     >     10> UL NAK 16: ER_BODY_CHECK
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Data End: Adding UP LINK Event: From:PFS3-12
>>>     to BX2ABT
>>>     >     Ctrl: 44
>>>     >     Type: I Cmd PF: 0 NR: 2  NS: 2  1 7 10> UL NAK 16:
>>>     ER_BODY_CHECK
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Data End: UL_NAK_RESP: From:PFS3-12 to BX2ABT
>>>     Ctrl: 44
>>>     >     Type: I
>>>     >     Cmd PF: 0 NR: 2  NS: 2  1 7 10> UL NAK 16: ER_BODY_CHECK
>>>     >     NAK: ER_BODY_CHECK received while uploading:
>>>     >     /home/hans/PacSatGroundData/FalconSat-3/BX2ABT17.txt.out
>>>     >
>>>     >     TIME-1: PHT: uptime is 469/13:51:30. Time is Sat Jun
>>>     08 12:19:29
>>>     >     2019.
>>>     >     U>>
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Idle: Adding UP LINK Event: UL_DISCONNECTED
>>>     >     DEBUG 3: Idle: Adding UP LINK Event: Open ABCD:
>>>     >     Open ABCD:
>>>     >     B: 209908947.
>>>     >     PB: Empty..
>>>     >     ---------END-------
>>>     >
>>>     >     This is what Direwolf's output is:
>>>     >
>>>     >     --------BEGIN-------
>>>     >     PFS3-1 audio level = 68(+118/-110)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-1>LSTAT:I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:31473 f:31529, d:1
>>>     st:4 e:26<0x0d>
>>>     >     Unknown APRS Data Type Indicator "I", Ambulance
>>>     >     [0L] BX2ABT>PFS3-12:(SABM cmd, p=1)
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-12 audio level = 69(+115/-111)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-12>BX2ABT:(UA res, f=0)
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-12 audio level = 70(+119/-110)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-12>BX2ABT:(I cmd, n(s)=0, n(r)=0, p=0,
>>>     >     pid=0xf0)<0x05><0x02>^<0xa8><0xfb>\<0x04>
>>>     >     [0L] BX2ABT>PFS3-12:(I cmd, n(s)=16, n(r)=120, p=0,
>>>     >    Â
>>>     pid=0x08)<0x08><0x03><0x14><0x1f><0x00><0x00>1<0x03><0x00><0x00>
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-12 audio level = 70(+121/-110)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-12>BX2ABT:(RR res, n(r)=1, f=0)
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-12 audio level = 70(+121/-109)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-12>BX2ABT:(I cmd, n(s)=17, n(r)=120, p=0,
>>>     >    Â
>>>     pid=0x08)<0x04><0x14><0x1f><0x00><0x00><0xfe><0x00><0x00><0x00>
>>>     >     [0L] BX2ABT>PFS3-12:(I cmd, n(s)=1, n(r)=2, p=0,
>>>     >     pid=0xf0)<0xfe><0x00>
>>>     >     the internet server that you sent me a message on April
>>>     11, but
>>>     >     unfortunately I never was able to download it. It took
>>>     a while to get
>>>     >     the transmitting part working, but now it does and I'm very
>>>     >     pleased to
>>>     >     be able to contact you via FS-3. Truly an amazin
>>>     >     [0L] BX2ABT>PFS3-12:(RR cmd, n(r)=2, p=1)
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-11 audio level = 65(+118/-109)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-11>PBLIST:PB: Empty.<0x0d>
>>>     >     Unknown APRS Data Type Indicator "P", Original Balloon
>>>     (think Ham b
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-12 audio level = 66(+117/-109)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-12>BX2ABT:(RR res, n(r)=1, f=1)
>>>     >     [0L] BX2ABT>PFS3-12:(I cmd, n(s)=33, n(r)=120, p=0,
>>>     >    Â
>>>     pid=0x08)<0x08><0x03><0x00><0x00><0x00><0x00>1<0x03><0x00><0x00>
>>>     >
>>>     >     PFS3-12 audio level = 74(+125/-111)  [NONE] |||||||||
>>>     >     [0.4] PFS3-12>BX2ABT:(DISC cmd, p=1)
>>>     >     [0L] BX2ABT>PFS3-12:(UA res, f=1)
>>>     >     --------END-------
>>>     >
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