[amsat-bb] Poor Operators

Tue Apr 7 17:33:57 UTC 2020

Fair point.

I believe this would be limited to 'repeated contacts'. No one wants to
intentionally take away the experience of a first-timer.

/ch
KG6O
KG6O atsin arrl dot net

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:30 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> I agree that "never" is too strong.  I've used this example before, but--a
> few years ago, I set up a sched with a friend in Ontario to talk briefly
> with my grandson so the grandson could have a chance to do a satellite and
> get a QSL card and maybe plant a seed of interest in amateur radio.  It all
> came off, they spent maybe 30 sec talking, and then we signed off and
> thanked everyone for making a 8-year-old's day.  Those who were waiting
> were kind and considerate.  I would not do that if there was a rover on, of
> course, but once in a while, I think it is fair to make an exception for a
> kid, a class, a demo, etc.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM Chris Hoffman, KG6O via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> > I agree ‘Never’ is incredibly strong. Perhaps ‘...should be avoided if at
> > all possible...’?
> >
> > In my opinion, the problem is not QRM or congestion. The problem is
> > welcomeness.
> >
> > The problem is that new operators continually hear banter and “... it’s a
> > nice morning here, Bob...” then when they try to squeeze in a contact
> > —after the conversation is over— they are instead crushed by other
> > operators also trying to respect boundaries on an 8min pass.
> >
> > The problem is that new operators have told me they perceive what are
> > obviously repeated contacts as an expression of territory, and they put
> > down the antenna for good.
> >
> > The problem is the assumption that it’s ‘...NOT a busy pass.’ That very
> > idea serves to disenfranchise, devalue, and repel new operators, making
> it
> > a self-fulfilling prophecy. Save Repeated Contacts —short or long— for
> > EMail or HF: it should ALWAYS be considered to be a ‘busy pass‘ until we
> > have available passes every 5 minutes.
> >
> > I challenge the experienced ‘regular’ operators to stay off the PTT,
> > listen for the new contacts that will inevitably show up,  and remember
> > that —in the aggregate— any open transponder time is an invitation for
> new
> > operators.
> >
> > /CH
> > KG6O
> > kg6o at arrl.net
> >
> > > On Mar 24, 2020, at 19:06, Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >  It all depends on the situation. If it is a busy pass and others are
> > > trying to make a QSO with a specific station since they are a Rover
> > > or DX or rare somehow or New, just step aside if you don't need or
> > > want that station. If it is NOT a busy pass, there should be no problem
> > > with calling any station for any reason as long as you are not QRMing
> > > an existing QSO in progress. How easy is it to just LISTEN and hear
> > > what is going on and act accordingly? Just like on other Bands or
> > > Modes or Repeaters, DON'T transmit on top of a busy frequency. BTW,
> > > if you can't hear other stations or the Beacon on a pass, it would not
> > > be good to do a lot of transmitting since you may be causing a lot of
> > > QRM to other users. Listening to several passes without hearing other
> > > stations probably indicates you have a RX problem. When setting up
> > > a station, always make sure you are hearing well before ever trying
> > > to transmit.
> > >
> > > GL/73/Enjoy, Bob K8BL
> > >     On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:46:00 PM EDT, Brian Wilkins KO4AQF
> > via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would not make this one a rule either especially since some rove to
> > > multiple grids. It has to be handled by the operator on a case by case
> > > basis. Also the called operator does not have to respond either if this
> > is
> > > a problem.
> > >
> > > Brian Wilkins
> > > KO4AQF
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:16 AM Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>> - problem #2 is about reducing congestion. It was discussed at length
> > >>> right here last year or so, and the bottom line was to never work a
> > >> station
> > >>> if you have already worked them before.  Let others get a chance.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Never" is a powerful word.  There are plenty of passes that I've
> worked
> > >> in the past in which the only operators on the pass are ones that I've
> > >> worked plenty of times before.    Weekday morning passes are typical
> > >> examples.  I would suggest leaving this rule out, or at least
> modifying
> > it
> > >> appropriately (however I think Sean's published work already suggests
> > good
> > >> operating habits that cover this).
> > >>
> > >> --Roy
> > >> K3RLD
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