[amsat-bb] Poor Operators

Thu Apr 9 01:22:48 UTC 2020

Bob, your call has not burned itself into my memory, so I can neither
confirm nor deny if you are a poor operator; this is a good thing. There
are people on that list in my head. I can hear them saying their call in
their own voice... .. . . .  .   .

The repeat QSO's are annoying when there is a busy pass going on, but
sometimes it is easier to answer that call then to let them attempt it 3,
5, 8 more times; being a bit sarcastic here.  However, on dead passes, once
the bird has left most of the country, I have had some awesome rapid fire
everyone-work-everyone-else round tables. QSOs are finished, the next one
happens, everyone waiting as needed, ... those feel so good, even if you
have those people in your log 10s, 100s of times.

I was excited to have my son call CQ and talk to a station on a linear bird
once. He loved to hear his own voice coming out of the radio. I do not
think I will be likely to try it on an FM bird anytime soon. Heck, doing a
demo on an FM bird on a weekend, good luck. Fortunately I am on the right
coast and can pick the coastal leaning pass, if possible, or at least early
pass which seem to be slightly possible to make a few QSO's on with 5-10w
of power.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:12 PM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Tell me if I'm a poor operator.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:47 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
> >  Burns (WB1FJ, I think maybe),
> > I agree that there should always be room for a QSOlike that. If we ever
> > get to a place in Ham Radio whereanyone is criticized for making a
> contact
> > together withtheir Child/Grandchild/Spouse/Friend, we're done!
> >
> > 73,   Bob  K8BL
> >     On Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 12:26:21 PM EDT, Burns Fisher via
> AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >  I agree that "never" is too strong.  I've used this example before,
> but--a
> > few years ago, I set up a sched with a friend in Ontario to talk briefly
> > with my grandson so the grandson could have a chance to do a satellite
> and
> > get a QSL card and maybe plant a seed of interest in amateur radio.  It
> all
> > came off, they spent maybe 30 sec talking, and then we signed off and
> > thanked everyone for making a 8-year-old's day.  Those who were waiting
> > were kind and considerate.  I would not do that if there was a rover on,
> of
> > course, but once in a while, I think it is fair to make an exception for
> a
> > kid, a class, a demo, etc.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:13 PM Chris Hoffman, KG6O via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree ‘Never’ is incredibly strong. Perhaps ‘...should be avoided if
> at
> > > all possible...’?
> > >
> > > In my opinion, the problem is not QRM or congestion. The problem is
> > > welcomeness.
> > >
> > > The problem is that new operators continually hear banter and “...
> it’s a
> > > nice morning here, Bob...” then when they try to squeeze in a contact
> > > —after the conversation is over— they are instead crushed by other
> > > operators also trying to respect boundaries on an 8min pass.
> > >
> > > The problem is that new operators have told me they perceive what are
> > > obviously repeated contacts as an expression of territory, and they put
> > > down the antenna for good.
> > >
> > > The problem is the assumption that it’s ‘...NOT a busy pass.’ That very
> > > idea serves to disenfranchise, devalue, and repel new operators, making
> > it
> > > a self-fulfilling prophecy. Save Repeated Contacts —short or long— for
> > > EMail or HF: it should ALWAYS be considered to be a ‘busy pass‘ until
> we
> > > have available passes every 5 minutes.
> > >
> > > I challenge the experienced ‘regular’ operators to stay off the PTT,
> > > listen for the new contacts that will inevitably show up,  and remember
> > > that —in the aggregate— any open transponder time is an invitation for
> > new
> > > operators.
> > >
> > > /CH
> > > KG6O
> > > kg6o at arrl.net
> > >
> > > > On Mar 24, 2020, at 19:06, Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  It all depends on the situation. If it is a busy pass and others
> are
> > > > trying to make a QSO with a specific station since they are a Rover
> > > > or DX or rare somehow or New, just step aside if you don't need or
> > > > want that station. If it is NOT a busy pass, there should be no
> problem
> > > > with calling any station for any reason as long as you are not QRMing
> > > > an existing QSO in progress. How easy is it to just LISTEN and hear
> > > > what is going on and act accordingly? Just like on other Bands or
> > > > Modes or Repeaters, DON'T transmit on top of a busy frequency. BTW,
> > > > if you can't hear other stations or the Beacon on a pass, it would
> not
> > > > be good to do a lot of transmitting since you may be causing a lot of
> > > > QRM to other users. Listening to several passes without hearing other
> > > > stations probably indicates you have a RX problem. When setting up
> > > > a station, always make sure you are hearing well before ever trying
> > > > to transmit.
> > > >
> > > > GL/73/Enjoy, Bob K8BL
> > > >    On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:46:00 PM EDT, Brian Wilkins KO4AQF
> > > via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would not make this one a rule either especially since some rove to
> > > > multiple grids. It has to be handled by the operator on a case by
> case
> > > > basis. Also the called operator does not have to respond either if
> this
> > > is
> > > > a problem.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Wilkins
> > > > KO4AQF
> > > >
> > > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:16 AM Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> - problem #2 is about reducing congestion. It was discussed at
> length
> > > >>> right here last year or so, and the bottom line was to never work a
> > > >> station
> > > >>> if you have already worked them before.  Let others get a chance.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "Never" is a powerful word.  There are plenty of passes that I've
> > worked
> > > >> in the past in which the only operators on the pass are ones that
> I've
> > > >> worked plenty of times before.    Weekday morning passes are typical
> > > >> examples.  I would suggest leaving this rule out, or at least
> > modifying
> > > it
> > > >> appropriately (however I think Sean's published work already
> suggests
> > > good
> > > >> operating habits that cover this).
> > > >>
> > > >> --Roy
> > > >> K3RLD
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