[amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?

Wed Aug 5 20:18:48 UTC 2020

Hi All-I really wish all this BS would stop.  You should all go out to the back shed and just deal with it.  I just want to play with satellites and all the goodies around them.  Take your interpersonal relationships and-------
73 Bob W7LRD

> On 08/05/2020 1:01 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> 
>  
> Bruce,
> 
> 
> All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative that you
> and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the organization,
> for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD.  I can only
> assume, with the intention of growing ORI?  I mean, you did say they got
> three amateur radio in space grants, right?  Why weren't those pursued
> through AMSAT?  What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is quite
> sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent.  There are many of us
> members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just stop, go
> away and maybe work harder at growing ORI.  This action would directly help
> preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort and
> energy more productively.  Think of the problems you could solve if you
> were just not being held back..?  I know engineers personally that helped
> developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp, *involved
> AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless years
> of their lives building kit for AMSAT.  I saw it and it's some amazing,
> amazing, amazing hardware.  I speak per my observations of these
> individuals, not for them.  Every volunteer organization gains and looses
> members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life, state of
> the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a reflection of
> the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
> 
> 
> Joseph Armbruster
> 
> KJ4JIO
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve themselves
> > publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
> > organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it an AMSAT
> > issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to pursue that,
> > and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made several
> > weeks ago.
> >
> > In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a course
> > that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
> > volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the membership
> > and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
> > appropriate within the context of an election.
> >
> >     Thanks
> >
> >     Bruce
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters must be
> > handled
> > > very carefully.
> > >
> > > For that same reason I think two separate legally established entities
> > must
> > > discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release. Probably
> > > both AMSAT
> > > and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of Understanding
> > > establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now on.
> > >
> > > Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business safeguard
> > > friendships)
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Fernando KF7R
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
> > > mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Frank sums up the problems very well.
> > > >
> > > > An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could lose
> > > > opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about this and
> > > other
> > > > problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has happened.
> > > >
> > > > We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
> > > >
> > > > We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
> > > >
> > > > I am optimistic things can and will improve.
> > > >
> > > > -Michelle W5NYV
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
> > > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June, calling
> > > for
> > > >> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
> > > ARISS-USA
> > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop trying to drag
> > > >> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political battle.
> > > >>
> > > >> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to ARISS,
> > and
> > > I
> > > >> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS to sign
> > > >> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name.
> > In
> > > >> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS.  The
> > > functional
> > > >> change is that ARISS is assuming  for itself some of the tasks that
> > > AMSAT
> > > >> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for this
> > donated
> > > >> support!)  The good working relationship that ARISS has had with AMSAT
> > > over
> > > >> the years is NOT changing.  For more information, read the press
> > > release on
> > > >> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org (6th
> > > >> article down).
> > > >>
> > > >> One item I will remind all of you:  Getting into space is HARD.
> > > >> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space mission
> > > >> success.  Infighting and back biting are a recipe for disaster in
> > > >> organizations and especially in space.  If you all continue these
> > > >> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your space missions
> > > of
> > > >> the future.  Space agencies and space corporations only want to work
> > > with
> > > >> folks that are dedicated to mission success.  I ask all to get over
> > your
> > > >> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to see AMSAT
> > lose
> > > >> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken decades to
> > > >> build.
> > > >>
> > > >> 73,  Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> > > >> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> > > >> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
> > > >> To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>; AMSAT <
> > > >> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
> > > >>
> > > >> Fernando,
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and there
> > should
> > > >> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end of March.
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending on legal
> > > >> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the letter AMSAT
> > > >> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
> > mid-March, I
> > > >> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary control
> > > >> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert has not
> > > >> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it appears
> > > AMSAT
> > > >> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
> > > >>
> > > >> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June, calling
> > for
> > > a
> > > >> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
> > > ARISS-USA
> > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> > > >> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather his notes
> > > >> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and review them
> > > with
> > > >> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
> > > >>
> > > >> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the other 5
> > > >> directors - including the two running for reelection this summer -
> > have
> > > >> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings, but has
> > > chosen
> > > >> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and other issues,
> > > >> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made available
> > > to
> > > >> AMSAT members.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you.
> > > >>
> > > >> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > > >> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > > >> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> >
> > --
> > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually
> > :-)
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