[amsat-bb] Members Please Read

Mon Jul 13 14:49:56 UTC 2020

Again, after being absent for a few years than rejoining AMSAT last month, this is disheartening. 

 BUT, what is really disheartening is that the directors say they are here for the members.  Well, if that is the case and you give a crap about the members then give us the BB back and quit monopolizing it with your remarks against the others.  

Put you big people pants on and deal with it via telephone, teleconference etc the way many of us in the C suite had to do in the “real world." Then make it a campaign item WHEN elections roll around.  

The ironic part is if you ignore my request and other members request asking for this to end on the board, then you really don't care about the members and showed your true colors. 

Greg
N3MVF

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:40 AM, Kenneth P Alexander via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

Sure Chad,

I'll consider supporting Amsat again as soon as this mess is cleaned up and
everyone is satisfied with the outcome, whichever way it goes.

Ken, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:  bueng-ken.com

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 08:58 Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> Joseph you are right. As much as the BoD needs to promote AMSAT, we as
> members need to stand up promote AMSAT and show our support. The more
> support we show, hopefully the sooner we can get back to actual
> constructive conversation.
> 
> Chad
> 
> 
> On 7/12/20, 4:22 PM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Joseph Armbruster via
> AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org on behalf of amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> wrote:
> 
>    Brad,
> 
>    What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization
>    from the members that you speak of?  Specifically?  It appears that
>    since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking
>    on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words
>    mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization
>    using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in
>    the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems
>    rather insincere and unproductive to me.  People like this should do
>    the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing
>    organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow
>    them.
> 
>    I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was
>    just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about
>    'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage.  All this ORI promotion on the BB, is
>    absolute garbage.  No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that,
>    especially from an AMSAT BOD member.  ORI is a separate, competing
>    organization and their bylaws are..... telling.  If AMSATs bylaws were
>    ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership
>    goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents.
>    Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of
>    Directors.".  Quite an Open organization, indeed!
> 
>    But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the
>    more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not
>    only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to
>    work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important.
>    And, the reasons are important too.  Have you wondered why...?  I do!
>    As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to
>    work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"?  From
>    what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry
>    about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe
>    there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted
>    for them, didn't know about.  I have no clue, but this all does make
>    me wonder.
> 
>    Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst
>    than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone
>    would want more of this.  For me, the socio-political environment is
>    just as important as the engi-nerding portion..  At the very least,
>    BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the
>    board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over
>    every little thing.
> 
>    Joseph Armbruster
>    KJ4JIO
> 
>    On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB
>    <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
> space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's
> explanations.  They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the
> expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired
> engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members
> who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was
> wasted! I am anxious for the election.
>> 
>> Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
> and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with
> your voting privilege.
>> 
>> 73 Brad KC9UQR
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