[amsat-bb] Re: D STAR

Tue Nov 12 12:42:58 PST 2013

 Last question. Do you know for a fact that
 the AMBE codecs was not developed by
 a ham radio operator for that company???
 A lot of hams are in that business.

 7 3 de Angelo

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>
>
>> An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
>>
>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An
>> amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking
>> place in a single SSB "channel."
>>
>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or
>> someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it 
>> can't
>> be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose
>> to be about.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
>>>
>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>
>>>
>>>  I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  "To help the believer "  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
>>>>> in a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
>>>>> radio art!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 7 3  de Angelo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way 
>>>>>> repeaters
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> ... but I digress)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
>>>>>> radio
>>>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've 
>>>>>> learned
>>>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
>>>>>> value
>>>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
>>>>>> highest
>>>>>> bidder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the 
>>>>>>> > > same
>>>>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with 
>>>>>>> > > DSTAR
>>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much 
>>>>>>> > > fun,
>>>>>>> > > there is something for everyone
>>>>>>> > > 73,s Damon
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. 
>>>>>>> > Only
>>>>>>> >  >
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell
>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the 
>>>>>>> > AMBE
>>>>>>> codec from DVSI.  That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one 
>>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>>>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who 
>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>>>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR,  MotoTRBO are better it's
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> to say competition is already present.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cost question.
>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> 700$
>>>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>>>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
>>>>>>> radio
>>>>>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you 
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> live on my planet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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