[amsat-bb] Re: D STAR

Tue Nov 12 12:58:04 PST 2013

If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the
codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Last question. Do you know for a fact that
> the AMBE codecs was not developed by
> a ham radio operator for that company???
> A lot of hams are in that business.
>
> 7 3 de Angelo
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>
>>
>>  An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
>>>
>>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An
>>> amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking
>>> place in a single SSB "channel."
>>>
>>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or
>>> someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it
>>> can't
>>> be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose
>>> to be about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
>>>>
>>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "To help the believer "  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
>>>>>> in a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
>>>>>> radio art!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7 3  de Angelo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way
>>>>>>> repeaters
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> ... but I digress)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
>>>>>>> radio
>>>>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've
>>>>>>> learned
>>>>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
>>>>>>> highest
>>>>>>> bidder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the >
>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > >
>>>>>>>> DSTAR
>>>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much >
>>>>>>>> > fun,
>>>>>>>> > > there is something for everyone
>>>>>>>> > > 73,s Damon
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. >
>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>> >  >
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell
>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the >
>>>>>>>> AMBE
>>>>>>>> codec from DVSI.  That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one
>>>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>>>>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who
>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>>>>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR,  MotoTRBO are better it's
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> to say competition is already present.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cost question.
>>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> 700$
>>>>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>>>>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
>>>>>>>> radio
>>>>>>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>>>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> live on my planet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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