[amsat-bb] Re: D STAR

Tue Nov 12 13:59:44 PST 2013

You are right. You can bring a horse to water, but
he will not drink it unless he knows how it is made and
he can modified the taste and the color. hmmmm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR

> If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the
> codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Last question. Do you know for a fact that
>> the AMBE codecs was not developed by
>> a ham radio operator for that company???
>> A lot of hams are in that business.
>>
>> 7 3 de Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>
>>>
>>>  An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for 
>>> example.
>>>>
>>>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. 
>>>> An
>>>> amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking
>>>> place in a single SSB "channel."
>>>>
>>>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or
>>>> someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it
>>>> can't
>>>> be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is 
>>>> suppose
>>>> to be about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "To help the believer "  :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
>>>>>>> in a long time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises 
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
>>>>>>> radio art!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7 3  de Angelo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way
>>>>>>>> repeaters
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> ... but I digress)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> radio
>>>>>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what 
>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've
>>>>>>>> learned
>>>>>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating 
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
>>>>>>>> highest
>>>>>>>> bidder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the >
>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > 
>>>>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>>>>> DSTAR
>>>>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much 
>>>>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>>>>> > fun,
>>>>>>>>> > > there is something for everyone
>>>>>>>>> > > 73,s Damon
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. >
>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>> >  >
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only 
>>>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the >
>>>>>>>>> AMBE
>>>>>>>>> codec from DVSI.  That sort of thing has no place in amateur 
>>>>>>>>> radio.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one
>>>>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>>>>>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who
>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>>>>>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR,  MotoTRBO are better 
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> to say competition is already present.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cost question.
>>>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> 700$
>>>>>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>>>>>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not 
>>>>>>>>> Ham
>>>>>>>>> radio
>>>>>>>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and 
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>>>>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> live on my planet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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