[amsat-bb] Re: D STAR

Tue Nov 12 14:29:22 PST 2013

In a few more years the Patent on the original chip will run out and it will
be open at that point. 

-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On
Behalf Of STeve Andre'
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:18 PM
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR

*absolutely true*

We've surrendered freedoms by using this.  ICOM of course had no real
understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers
at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.

It does reek, however.

--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf  en72

On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:
> If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve 
> the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not 
>> developed by a ham radio operator for that company???
>> A lot of hams are in that business.
>>
>> 7 3 de Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>
>>>
>>>   An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for
example.
>>>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio 
>>>> operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple 
>>>> conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
>>>>
>>>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I 
>>>> (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core 
>>>> technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which 
>>>> is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso 
>>>> <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
>>>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso 
>>>>>> <n5uxt at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   "To help the believer "  :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a 
>>>>>>> long time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises
???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the 
>>>>>>> radio art!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7 3  de Angelo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way 
>>>>>>>> repeaters are ... but I digress)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not 
>>>>>>>> enhance the radio art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what 
>>>>>>>> ever you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone 
>>>>>>>> .... you've learned nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not 
>>>>>>>> generating any value for what we've been entrusted with it's 
>>>>>>>> going to be sold off to the highest bidder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the 
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with 
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> DSTAR
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so 
>>>>>>>>>>> much >
>>>>>>>>>> fun,
>>>>>>>>>>> there is something for everyone 73,s Damon
>>>>>>>>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB 
>>>>>>>>>> rig. >
>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will 
>>>>>>>>> only sell to a handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying 
>>>>>>>>>> the >
>>>>>>>>> AMBE
>>>>>>>>> codec from DVSI.  That sort of thing has no place in amateur
radio.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one 
>>>>>>>>> choose to use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you 
>>>>>>>>> think something has no place im amateur radio just don't use 
>>>>>>>>> it and let those who wants to use it enjoy one of the most 
>>>>>>>>> reliable digital communication protocol available. Yes some 
>>>>>>>>> will say DMR,  MotoTRBO are better it's just to say 
>>>>>>>>> competition is already present.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cost question.
>>>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to 
>>>>>>>>> DSTAR for 700$ and much less if you are technicaly 
>>>>>>>>> inclined.See below it's just an example and i'm not connected 
>>>>>>>>> to their business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's 
>>>>>>>>> not Ham radio no one should use it" trend come from but it's 
>>>>>>>>> getting old...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL 
>>>>>>>>> and you will be able to reach me all over the globe. If you 
>>>>>>>>> don't like the internet component you better to go back to the 
>>>>>>>>> cave man, or you don't live on my planet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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