[amsat-bb] Re: Experimental License for Cubesats
Edward R Cole
kl7uw at acsalaska.net
Wed Nov 20 23:26:53 PST 2013
FYI: All US operators using 472-510 KHz (so
called 600 meter band) are operating with
experimental licenses. Several countries have
already approve ham radio for parts of this
band. WRC-2012 approved this use, but each
country has to initiate ham radio service for
their nationals to use it as hams.
Also: Many space applications are approved as
experimental stations. My former employer
licensed use of orbiting GPS tracking service for
sea-going buoys by obtaining an experimental
license to use a Canadian-French Satellite
(ARGOS) which had not obtained FCC sanction (or
maybe should be called type acceptance) in the 403 MHz band.
Most animal tracking is by satellite these days
and often is licensed as experimental for the
same reason: the satellite is not US licensed so
their exists no normal US licensed service to use that satellite.
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 (ARRL 600m Experimental Group)
I wrote the experimental license application for my former employer.
At 07:19 PM 11/20/2013, Arthur Feller wrote:
>Hi, Bill,
>
>Go to http://www.fcc.gov and search for
>“experimental.” Strongly suggest reading Part 5
>of the FCC rules first. (See:
>http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionCfr.action?collectionCode=CFR&searchPath=Title+5&oldPath=Title+5&isCollapsed=false&selectedYearFrom=2013&ycord=161.
>You may have to wait for Title 47
>(Telecommunications) to be added to the 2013
>edition, then go to Part 5.) Make sure you have the version revised this year.
>
>Some thoughts for you.
>
> To the good: Experimental stations can
> be assigned to any frequency. Experimental
> stations may be licensed for all the purposes
> listed in Part 5 of the FCC Rules and
> Regulations. Commercial ideas can be tried
> out. Operators may be paid. Encryption may be
> used. Applications can be made online. The cost is somewhere around $100.
>
> To the bad: Operation is secondary to
> EVERYTHING. In case of causing harmful
> interference, the experimental station is
> required to cure the problem, which usually
> means being ordered to shut down immediately
> with no recourse. In case of suffering harmful
> interference, it must be tolerated. (Not a
> good options for significant investments in
> time and money.) Communication is normally
> permitted only with stations listed on the
> license. Communication with regularly licensed
> stations (including amateur) is
> forbidden. International communication is
> normally forbidden, unless administrations made
> arrangements in advance. International coordination is usually required.
>
>One more thing on sharing bands allocated to the
>amateur-satellite service. FCC now requires
>IARU coordination, though they didn’t give IARU
>notice. (This story requires several
>807’s.) To help out folks who had already built
>projects thinking (erroneously) that they could
>fly as amateur, IARU worked out an arrangement
>to provide coordination service on a TEMPORARY
>basis. Coordination requested in the 144-146
>MHz will no longer be provided for experimental
>stations after mid 2014. See 2013 AMSAT Technical Symposium Proceedings.
>
>IMHO, appropriate radiocommunication services
>and frequency allocations are already available,
>can provide international status, and should be
>applied for, rather than amateur-satellite
>service frequencies. Fees will be required, but
>FCC might waive their fees with a justified
>request. ITU fees are normally required, except for amateur stations.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>73, art
..
>W4ART Arlington VA
>
>On 20-Nov-2013, at 10:34 PM, Bill Ress <bill at hsmicrowave.com> wrote:
>
> > Art,
> >
> > Aaah! I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for
> clearing it for me anyway. Can you point me to
> the FCC web link where I can understand (apply)
> for an experimental license for a Cubesat in the Amateur bands.
> >
> > Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> >
> > On 11/20/2013 4:29 PM, Arthur Feller wrote:
> >> Hi, Bill,
> >>
> >> By special arrangement earlier this year,
> IARU agreed to provide coordination service for
> experimental stations on an temporary
> basis. Many of the experimental station
> operators are also licensed amateurs, however
> that has no bearing on experimental station operation.
> >>
> >> More on this in the 2013 AMSAT Technical
> Symposium Proceedings. See the article by Hans, ZS6AKV.
> >>
> >> 73, art
..
> >> W4ART Arlington VA
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20-Nov-2013, at 06:11 PM, Bill Ress <bill at hsmicrowave.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Art,
> >>>
> >>> Now I'm a little confused by your comment
> that most Cubesats are licensed as
> experimental. On yesterdays Minotaur launch, 17
> Cubesats are operated by Amateurs and were coordinated through the IARU.
> >>>
> >>> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> >>>
> >>> On 11/20/2013 2:50 PM, Arthur Feller wrote:
> >>>> One thing we learned in bureaucrat school
> is that jumping to conclusions is not a healthy exercise. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> FCC licensed most of the new cubes as
> experimental stations and not as amateur
> stations. Experimental stations may be
> assigned to any frequency, provided they do not
> cause harmful interference to stations
> operating in accordance with the ITU radio
> regulations. See RR Article 27 and 47 CFR Part 5.
> >>>>
> >>>> These experimental stations are not
> operating in the amateur-satellite service,
> only sharing the bands on a secondary
> basis. They are permitted to communicate only
> with stations listed on their license, so it
> would be inappropriate for them to seek help
> from amateurs, though amateurs may certainly
> listen. Note that experimental stations may encrypt their transmissions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some of the satellites, such as TJ3SAT,
> and some others, are amateur stations! Sure
> would be good for them to make a noise here on BB!! (HINT!)
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, art
..
> >>>> W4ART Arlington VA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20-Nov-2013, at 07:56 AM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> because their are designed and operated by students and teachers with a
> >>>>> valid ham radio licence!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Richard
> Ferryman <g4bbh at btinternet.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Then why are those cubesats using amateur frequencies?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dick G4BBH
> >>>>
> >>>> http://afeller.us
> >>>>
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> >> Human kindness has never weakened the
> stamina or softened the fiber of a free people.
> A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.
> >> -Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd US President (1882-1945)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://afeller.us
> >>
> >
>
>Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or
>softened the fiber of a free people. A nation
>does not have to be cruel to be tough.
> -Franklin D.
> Roosevelt, 32nd US President (1882-1945)
>
>
>
> http://afeller.us
>
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73, Ed - KL7UW
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