[amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 10, Issue 338
Miguel Angel Baldonado
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Fri Nov 6 23:09:50 UTC 2015
Hello! I agree with Luciano, PY5LF......AO-85 is much more friendly with us! Greetings from GF05
MikeLU3EMB
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Today's Topics:
1. AO85 Pass (PY5LF)
2. AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok, Thailand
(Karn Suwanrat)
3. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (skristof at etczone.com)
4. Re: FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now
(Robert McGwier)
5. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path)
(Robert Bruninga)
6. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path)
(skristof at etczone.com)
7. M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER (Peter Budnik)
8. Re: AO85 vs SO-50 (GW1FKY at aol.com)
9. AO 85 operations (James Brown)
10. Re: AO 85 operations (mvivona at yahoo.com)
11. Re: AO 85 operations (R.T.Liddy)
12. Re: AO 85 operations (Kevin Schuchmann)
13. Ao-73/FUNcube mode change (Jim Heck G3WGM)
14. Re: AO 85 operations (mvivona at yahoo.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:41:46 -0200
From: "PY5LF" <py5lf at falautomation.com.br>
To: <AMSAT-BB at amsat.org>, <starcom-bb at star-com.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO85 Pass
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Hi
AO85 are very nice to work now ,much more stable.
https://youtu.be/I03TQpguEic
73
PY5LF
Luciano Fabricio
Curitiba-PR-BR GG54jm
http://www.qrz.com/db/PY5LF
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:19:35 +0700
From: Karn Suwanrat <e20zfd at gmail.com>
To: AMSAT-BB at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok,
Thailand
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHiHmINIeE
I could receive a FM Phone Mode for only a few second toward the end
of the pass. So I don't know who was calling.
Fox-1A (AO-85) Mode FM (U/V Transponder)
Freq. 145.980 MHz
Date 2015 NOV 6
Time 1523-1538UTC
Max El 72
Rx By E20ZFD
Grid OK03gs
73'
Karn
E20ZFD/AA1AF
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:23:09 -0500
From: skristof at etczone.com
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Message-ID: <174f353930ba5d91bf3f16e2d30369c3 at etczone.com>
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If I get one of these things, I would like to do it right and not screw
up the network. What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS
balloon? I assume it's posted somewhere, but a quick search of the
internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a newbie like me.
If these things get popular maybe a set of standards could be posted on
the AMSAT and APRS websites.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-06 10:36, Joe wrote:
> with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
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> On 11/6/2015 9:19 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail. 73 W9KE Tom Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device
will
use. It is an
abomination
>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:23:39 -0600
From: Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier at gmail.com>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org>
Cc: "amsat-bb at amsat.org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day
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And you all are doing a fabulous job. The only thing I remind my peers of
is that people spend their own money and their valuable free time tapping
their toes gleefully anticipating success and participation. I've been
amongst the , now reformed, guilty. I don't do the answers as I'm too busy,
but I support the need. We need more volunteers who want to support the
engineers in this but must be trusted to help and not hinder.
Having done this stuff for years, let me admonish users to remember that if
you have a critique or question something, please approach it as if the
engineer has already considered it and dealt with it and you'll find a
willing conversationalist. We're all proud of our work and, no, we don't
always get it right. But you can generally assume we've tried really hard
to. Don't come into our house and toss the furniture about. You won't find
us willing hosts to have you at our table.
Respectfully and 73s,
Bob
N4HY
On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Jerry Buxton <n0jy at amsat.org> wrote:
> A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has
> to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing
> of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and
> mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is
> divided. The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before
> 1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and
> better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what
> needs tweaking. Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet
> away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like
> with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be
> learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.
>
> Remember - it's a hobby. :-)
>
> Thank you for your support.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
> > On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> > . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
> >> direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
> > I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
> >
> > As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors"
> > are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
> >
> > (B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java
> > crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM,
> > the data is uploaded.
> >
> > So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:49:22 -0500
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper
Path)
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ARGH! You are right. SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page
BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.
So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page:
http://aprs.org/balloons.html
-----Original Message-----
> What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon?
> a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
newbie like me.
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
> Bruninga wrote:
>> The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more
>> often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If
>> those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could
>> trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to
>> not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless
>> to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the
>> proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:50:19 -0500
From: skristof at etczone.com
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper
Path)
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Perfect! Thank you very much.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-06 11:49, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> ARGH! You are right. SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page
> BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.
>
> So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page:
> http://aprs.org/balloons.html [1]
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
>
> newbie like me.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
> Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
>> to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:33:52 -0500
From: "Peter Budnik" <kb1hy2 at comcast.net>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:32:04 -0500
From: GW1FKY at aol.com
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO85 vs SO-50
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Reference the comments on operating AO-85 by Dani ( M0HXM /EA4GPZ ) and the
frequencies that he states that he uses
Dani - Typing error I am sure .- You make reference to 436 Mhz but it
should be 435 Mhz on the uplink.
Regards and good luck.
Ken Eaton
GW1FKY
Amsat -UK
Amsat NA
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:51:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:17:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mvivona at yahoo.com" <mvivona at yahoo.com>
To: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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James,
There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf?Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
?Michael KC4AVA
From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:50:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl at ameritech.net>
To: "mvivona at yahoo.com" <mvivona at yahoo.com>, James Brown
<jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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Try this link (without the AMSAT-BB syntax error):
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf
GL/73, ? ? Bob ?K8BL
From: mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
To: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
James,
There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf?Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
?Michael KC4AVA
? ? ? From: James Brown <jimki6wj at sbcglobal.net>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
?
I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50.
ThanksJim KI6WJ
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:05:24 -0800
From: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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You Know Michael for a guy that was complaining about not being able to
receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got
from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When you were having
troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some
work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.
It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and
let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a
troll like you in the future.
Kevin WA6FWF
On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> James,
> There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
> Michael KC4AVA
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:09:35 -0000
From: "Jim Heck G3WGM" <jimlist at zoho.com>
To: <amsat-bb at AMSAT.Org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao-73/FUNcube mode change
Message-ID: <C17BF3F10F614669BB7DB137A5CD0270 at jimPC2>
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reply-type=original
Hi Fold,
I have just changed AO-73/FUNcube to full time transponder ON mode. As
usual, plan it to revert to auto eclipse mode on Sun pm UTC.
Enjoy
73s Jim G3WGM
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mvivona at yahoo.com" <mvivona at yahoo.com>
To: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>, "amsat-bb at amsat.org"
<amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
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You are so right Kevin, now I feel terrible.
?Michael
From: Kevin Schuchmann <WA6FWF at comcast.net>
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
You Know Michael? for a guy that was complaining about not being able to
receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got
from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When? you were having
troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some
work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.
It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and
let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a
troll like you in the future.
Kevin WA6FWF
On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> James,
> There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it.
> All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow...
> Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies".
> http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_May2015_Hi.pdf Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun.
>? Michael KC4AVA
>
>?
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