[amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism

[Norm n3ykf]

Inclusivty requires just that. Several individuals have commented on
the mailing list that "Lots of people want to volunteer, not many are
wanted".

Would you like me to dig into the archives? This has been seen more than once.

Amsat's attitude is: Give me your money, now go away. Difficult to
have a group that has dissenters unless dissent is encouraged.

Been there, done that. Waste of money and time.

Given time the current crop of lackluster individuals will die off
(Tony let me play in his sandbox). Perhaps later.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM,  <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:
> Neither Bob is saying anything about stifling dissent. I believe the
> point is that, if you don't like the way an organization is moving, then
> do more than just complain about it. Volunteer to actually do something
> that results in progress.
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
> On 2016-12-05 13:24, Norm n3ykf wrote:
>
>> Elimination of dissent guarantees uniformity of direction and thought.
>> Those two qualities are not characteristics of healthy organizations
>> with long term stability.
>>
>> Cool aid anyone?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Friend speaks my mind.
>>>
>>> And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
>>> organizations.  It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in
>>> frustration.
>>>
>>> Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
>>> LEAD in another direction. Make progress.  Contribute.  And "contribute"
>>> does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way.  That
>>> accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
>>> "get involved"...
>>>
>>> Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
>>> over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear.  Things only happen
>>> by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
>>> lead towards progress.  (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
>>> biters)..
>>>
>>> If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of the
>>> way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
>>> with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.  Bob, WB4APR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
>>>
>>> I personally believe that False News is damaging.  It cannot be allowed to
>>> go unanswered.  In many eyes,  silence is an admission of guilt.   When
>>> someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
>>> AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly.  As a mid-point between silence and
>>> taking the individual to task,  I would make it a public statement and never
>>> mention the individual.
>>>
>>> On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it.  AMSAT paid for the board of
>>> directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel.  It would
>>> have done that no matter where we assembled.  No board activities were held
>>> on the ship.  The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
>>> interested persons, and guests.  Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
>>> pockets.  I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
>>> trip to Chichen Nitza.  😇
>>>
>>> The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them.  I
>>> learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
>>>
>>> 73s
>>> Bob
>>> N4HY
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