[amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism

Mon Dec 5 22:17:01 UTC 2016

Well, sure, since you volunteered, please dig into the archives and
present your supporting information. 

Steve AI9IN

On 2016-12-05 16:28, Norm n3ykf wrote:

> Inclusivty requires just that. Several individuals have commented on
> the mailing list that "Lots of people want to volunteer, not many are
> wanted".
> 
> Would you like me to dig into the archives? This has been seen more than once.
> 
> Amsat's attitude is: Give me your money, now go away. Difficult to
> have a group that has dissenters unless dissent is encouraged.
> 
> Been there, done that. Waste of money and time.
> 
> Given time the current crop of lackluster individuals will die off
> (Tony let me play in his sandbox). Perhaps later.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM,  <skristof at etczone.com> wrote: Neither Bob is saying anything about stifling dissent. I believe the
> point is that, if you don't like the way an organization is moving, then
> do more than just complain about it. Volunteer to actually do something
> that results in progress.
> 
> Steve AI9IN
> 
> On 2016-12-05 13:24, Norm n3ykf wrote:
> 
> Elimination of dissent guarantees uniformity of direction and thought.
> Those two qualities are not characteristics of healthy organizations
> with long term stability.
> 
> Cool aid anyone?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> 
> Friend speaks my mind.
> 
> And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
> organizations.  It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in
> frustration.
> 
> Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
> LEAD in another direction. Make progress.  Contribute.  And "contribute"
> does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way.  That
> accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
> "get involved"...
> 
> Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
> over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear.  Things only happen
> by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
> lead towards progress.  (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
> biters)..
> 
> If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of the
> way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
> with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
> 
> My 2 cents.  Bob, WB4APR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
> 
> I personally believe that False News is damaging.  It cannot be allowed to
> go unanswered.  In many eyes,  silence is an admission of guilt.   When
> someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
> AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly.  As a mid-point between silence and
> taking the individual to task,  I would make it a public statement and never
> mention the individual.
> 
> On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it.  AMSAT paid for the board of
> directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel.  It would
> have done that no matter where we assembled.  No board activities were held
> on the ship.  The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
> interested persons, and guests.  Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
> pockets.  I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
> trip to Chichen Nitza.  😇
> 
> The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them.  I
> learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
> 
> 73s
> Bob
> N4HY
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