[amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism

Tue Dec 6 01:01:45 UTC 2016

I've wasted as much time as I care to with this. Feel free. I quit.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:17 PM,  <skristof at etczone.com> wrote:
> Well, sure, since you volunteered, please dig into the archives and
> present your supporting information.
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
> On 2016-12-05 16:28, Norm n3ykf wrote:
>
>> Inclusivty requires just that. Several individuals have commented on
>> the mailing list that "Lots of people want to volunteer, not many are
>> wanted".
>>
>> Would you like me to dig into the archives? This has been seen more than once.
>>
>> Amsat's attitude is: Give me your money, now go away. Difficult to
>> have a group that has dissenters unless dissent is encouraged.
>>
>> Been there, done that. Waste of money and time.
>>
>> Given time the current crop of lackluster individuals will die off
>> (Tony let me play in his sandbox). Perhaps later.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM,  <skristof at etczone.com> wrote: Neither Bob is saying anything about stifling dissent. I believe the
>> point is that, if you don't like the way an organization is moving, then
>> do more than just complain about it. Volunteer to actually do something
>> that results in progress.
>>
>> Steve AI9IN
>>
>> On 2016-12-05 13:24, Norm n3ykf wrote:
>>
>> Elimination of dissent guarantees uniformity of direction and thought.
>> Those two qualities are not characteristics of healthy organizations
>> with long term stability.
>>
>> Cool aid anyone?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Friend speaks my mind.
>>
>> And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
>> organizations.  It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in
>> frustration.
>>
>> Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
>> LEAD in another direction. Make progress.  Contribute.  And "contribute"
>> does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way.  That
>> accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
>> "get involved"...
>>
>> Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
>> over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear.  Things only happen
>> by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
>> lead towards progress.  (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
>> biters)..
>>
>> If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of the
>> way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
>> with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
>>
>> My 2 cents.  Bob, WB4APR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
>>
>> I personally believe that False News is damaging.  It cannot be allowed to
>> go unanswered.  In many eyes,  silence is an admission of guilt.   When
>> someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
>> AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly.  As a mid-point between silence and
>> taking the individual to task,  I would make it a public statement and never
>> mention the individual.
>>
>> On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it.  AMSAT paid for the board of
>> directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel.  It would
>> have done that no matter where we assembled.  No board activities were held
>> on the ship.  The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
>> interested persons, and guests.  Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
>> pockets.  I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
>> trip to Chichen Nitza.  😇
>>
>> The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them.  I
>> learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
>>
>> 73s
>> Bob
>> N4HY
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