[amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots

Wed Jul 18 05:57:05 UTC 2018

I do too.  I received my ballot today with 40 cents postage on the 
envelope.  AMSAT has around 3000 members last count I remember reading.  
That means it cost $1200 in postage to mail out the ballots the first 
time.  Now the second mailing will cost another $1200 in postage.  Now 
add the cost of envelopes, paper and printing.  How many members have to 
renew at $48 to pay for the election.  For a small organization fighting 
to survive financially this is not an insignificant amount of money.

73,
Frank
K6FW

On 7/17/18 10:46 PM, Devin L. Ganger wrote:
> I, for one, want to spend AMSAT $$$ on satellites and ground terminals, not voting systems.
>
> Maybe I'm crazy.
>
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Frank
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:40 PM
>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
>>
>> If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms board of
>> directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good enough for
>> AMSAT.
>>
>> Frank
>> K6FW
>> On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:
>>> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
>> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts
>> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper ballot
>> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and
>> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and
>> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then separated
>> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the
>> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity
>> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers
>> and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact thing. Do
>> the research.  Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
>>> Eric
>>> Af6ep
>>>
>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure as
>> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
>> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
>> voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient, you can
>> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
>> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
>>>> Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the
>> elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mike Diehl
>>>> W8LID
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <eric.fort.listmail at fortconsulting.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack the
>> vote”.   It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
>> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> Af6ep
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
>> <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
>>>>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two
>>>>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that
>>>>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting
>>>>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and
>>>>>> prevent some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
>> <tasmac at w5pfg.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July
>>>>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots
>>>>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on
>>>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
>>>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
>>>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
>>>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
>>>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
>>>>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two
>>>>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
>> votes received.
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> Clayton
>>>>>>> W5PFG
>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
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