[amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots

Wed Jul 18 13:04:01 UTC 2018

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> On 18-Jul-2018, at 01:57 AM, Frank <k6fw1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I do too.  I received my ballot today with 40 cents postage on the envelope.  AMSAT has around 3000 members last count I remember reading.  That means it cost $1200 in postage to mail out the ballots the first time.  Now the second mailing will cost another $1200 in postage.  Now add the cost of envelopes, paper and printing.  How many members have to renew at $48 to pay for the election.  For a small organization fighting to survive financially this is not an insignificant amount of money.
> 
> 73,
> Frank
> K6FW
> 
> On 7/17/18 10:46 PM, Devin L. Ganger wrote:
>> I, for one, want to spend AMSAT $$$ on satellites and ground terminals, not voting systems.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm crazy.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
>> email: devin at thecabal.org
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>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org> On Behalf Of Frank
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:40 PM
>>> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
>>> 
>>> If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms board of
>>> directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good enough for
>>> AMSAT.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
>>> On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:
>>>> The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
>>> keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts
>>> one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper ballot
>>> is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and
>>> registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and
>>> only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then separated
>>> from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the
>>> digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity
>>> simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers
>>> and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact thing. Do
>>> the research.  Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
>>>> Eric
>>>> Af6ep
>>>> 
>>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure as
>>> your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print
>>> with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a
>>> voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient, you can
>>> pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for
>>> QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
>>>>> Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the
>>> elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Mike Diehl
>>>>> W8LID
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort <eric.fort.listmail at fortconsulting.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack the
>>> vote”.   It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to
>>> printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>> Af6ep
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent using SMTP.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
>>> <gabrielzeifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented
>>>>>>> organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two
>>>>>>> sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that
>>>>>>> electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting
>>>>>>> more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and
>>>>>>> prevent some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>>> AL6D/VE6NJH
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
>>> <tasmac at w5pfg.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to
>>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July
>>>>>>>> 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots
>>>>>>>> received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on
>>>>>>>> yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates:
>>>>>>>> Tom Clark, K3IO
>>>>>>>> Mark Hammond, N8MH
>>>>>>>> Scott Harvey, KA7FVV
>>>>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>>>>>>> Peter Portanova, W2JV
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving
>>>>>>>> the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two
>>>>>>>> alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
>>> votes received.
>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>> Clayton
>>>>>>>> W5PFG
>>>>>>>> AMSAT-NA Corporate Secretary
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