[amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode (taxpayers)

[Paul Stoetzer]

Yes, let’s end this discussion or move it off the board.

I’m not a fan of heavy moderation, but off-topic discussions like this are
rarely productive

73,

Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Executive Vice President
AMSAT

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 20:16 Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:

> Its bad to continue this here...
>
> > No, the subject is not for here, but also,
> > not for a 'hit and run' attack on fossil fuel vehicles...
> > Nonsense, Bob. FACTS:
> >
> https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/are-electric-car-subsidies-j
> ust-giveaways-to-the-wealthy/
> <https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/are-electric-car-subsidies-just-giveaways-to-the-wealthy/>
>
> The facts are that we tax payers pay $20 billion dollars a year for Gas
> and Oil subsidies.
> Divide that by the number of gas vehicles sold per year and you get $3300
> subsidy per gas car.
> The article you quote ignores that fact and uses flawed one sided
> comparisons throughout.
>
> If the government does not incentivize us to move away from high emission
> cars, who will?
>
> Here are a few truths ignored by that oil-company wall-street biased
> article:
> * 53% of all EV's in 2018 now cost less (w incentives) than the average
> gas car ($35k)
> * 50% of all plugins now have ranges over 350 miles
> * EV's sales are growing by 50 to 100% a year.  Gas car sales are falling
> since mid 2018
> * Thank heavens that those who can afford them are buying them.
> * Or, Does the author want poor people to buy EV's so others can keep
> driving gas?
> * EVs help everyone to breathe cleaner air.  What are others doing for
> clean air?
> * There are 6 EV pickups in development (higher torque, towing, and
> worksite 240 VAC)
> * There is an EV model for almost everyone except the daily road warrior.
> * EV's can drive the American Average 40 mi/day from just 12 solar panels
> only!
>
> It's an exciting time. I cant believe I have long enough to see solar half
> the cost of utilities and EV's that are now better, faster, cleaner and
> cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than the
> average gas car.  And it makes a great power source for Ham radio (except
> for the RFI)...
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Bruninga
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode (taxpayers)
>
> > True, Zach....the difference is, the taxpayers don't pay for your
> > setup!!
>
> An apparent complaint about clean air EV incentives, while ignoring the
> petroleum subsidies of about $3300 per dirty-air gas car.  Which is now
> about the same as the $3750 Tesla incentive.  But, the Tesla incentive
> will decrease by half in the next six months and then zero.  While the
> dirty gas car continues to get subsidized by tax payers for decades...
>
> We should end this thread as off topic, but need to correct any
> misinformation.  Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Zach
> Metzinger
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode
>
> On 2/20/19 1:28 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> >> Very nice!  Wish I could afford [a Tesla]...
> >
> > A Chevy Volt can run a Field Day (or a house under minimum power) for
> > about 8 hours before it has to start the engine to recharge the battery.
> > These 3 year-old off-lease Volts go for only about $12k.
>
> Seems a bit overkill when a marine deep-cycle and a solar panel will run
> you about $500, no? ;-)
>
> --- Zach
> N0ZGO
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