[amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Joseph Armbruster
josepharmbruster at gmail.com
Thu Aug 6 00:01:44 UTC 2020
John,
I can see it being unhelpful, if you signed on with the guy that i'm asking
to go away :-)
ref: https://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
Cheers,
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:33 PM John Brier <johnbrier at gmail.com> wrote:
> "wish you would just stop, go away and maybe work harder at growing ORI"
>
> At this point it's clear there are big disagreements and issues that
> must be worked out so wishing or suggesting people just go away seems
> unhelpful. Might as well leave this point out as it just muddies the
> waters around any reasonable points you have.
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> >
> > All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative that you
> > and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the organization,
> > for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD. I can only
> > assume, with the intention of growing ORI? I mean, you did say they got
> > three amateur radio in space grants, right? Why weren't those pursued
> > through AMSAT? What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is quite
> > sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent. There are many of us
> > members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just stop, go
> > away and maybe work harder at growing ORI. This action would directly
> help
> > preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort and
> > energy more productively. Think of the problems you could solve if you
> > were just not being held back..? I know engineers personally that helped
> > developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp,
> *involved
> > AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless years
> > of their lives building kit for AMSAT. I saw it and it's some amazing,
> > amazing, amazing hardware. I speak per my observations of these
> > individuals, not for them. Every volunteer organization gains and looses
> > members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life, state
> of
> > the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a reflection of
> > the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
> >
> >
> > Joseph Armbruster
> >
> > KJ4JIO
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve
> themselves
> > > publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
> > > organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it an
> AMSAT
> > > issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to pursue
> that,
> > > and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made several
> > > weeks ago.
> > >
> > > In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a
> course
> > > that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
> > > volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the
> membership
> > > and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
> > > appropriate within the context of an election.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters must be
> > > handled
> > > > very carefully.
> > > >
> > > > For that same reason I think two separate legally established
> entities
> > > must
> > > > discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release. Probably
> > > > both AMSAT
> > > > and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of Understanding
> > > > establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now on.
> > > >
> > > > Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business safeguard
> > > > friendships)
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > >
> > > > Fernando KF7R
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
> > > > mountain.michelle at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Frank sums up the problems very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could lose
> > > > > opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about this
> and
> > > > other
> > > > > problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has
> happened.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am optimistic things can and will improve.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michelle W5NYV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
> > > > > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
> calling
> > > > for
> > > > >> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
> > > > ARISS-USA
> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop trying to
> drag
> > > > >> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political battle.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to
> ARISS,
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > >> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS to sign
> > > > >> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS
> name.
> > > In
> > > > >> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The
> > > > functional
> > > > >> change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks
> that
> > > > AMSAT
> > > > >> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for this
> > > donated
> > > > >> support!) The good working relationship that ARISS has had with
> AMSAT
> > > > over
> > > > >> the years is NOT changing. For more information, read the press
> > > > release on
> > > > >> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org (6th
> > > > >> article down).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One item I will remind all of you: Getting into space is HARD.
> > > > >> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space mission
> > > > >> success. Infighting and back biting are a recipe for disaster in
> > > > >> organizations and especially in space. If you all continue these
> > > > >> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your space
> missions
> > > > of
> > > > >> the future. Space agencies and space corporations only want to
> work
> > > > with
> > > > >> folks that are dedicated to mission success. I ask all to get
> over
> > > your
> > > > >> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to see
> AMSAT
> > > lose
> > > > >> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken
> decades to
> > > > >> build.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> > > > >> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> > > > >> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb at wd9ewk.net>
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
> > > > >> To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer at gmail.com>; AMSAT <
> > > > >> amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Fernando,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and there
> > > should
> > > > >> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end of
> March.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending on
> legal
> > > > >> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the letter
> AMSAT
> > > > >> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
> > > mid-March, I
> > > > >> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary
> control
> > > > >> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert has
> not
> > > > >> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it
> appears
> > > > AMSAT
> > > > >> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
> calling
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > >> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
> > > > ARISS-USA
> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> > > > >> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather his
> notes
> > > > >> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and review
> them
> > > > with
> > > > >> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the other 5
> > > > >> directors - including the two running for reelection this summer -
> > > have
> > > > >> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings, but
> has
> > > > chosen
> > > > >> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and other
> issues,
> > > > >> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
> available
> > > > to
> > > > >> AMSAT members.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thank you.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > > > >> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > > > >> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is
> eventually
> > > :-)
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