[amsat-bb] AMSAT Member Mailing list

Mon Jul 13 13:38:59 UTC 2020

Kevin you'll notice a whole lot of this doublespeak when dealing with
Director Thompson and their shills. "We didn't  break the rules, you just
don't understand the rules". "The member list wasn't compromised, you just
don't understand what compromised means."

It's utterly ridiculous to think the person who authored the cover letter
of a mailer, and served as the "mailed from" address to an entire list of
people didn't first see that list. To believe otherwise is to fully commit
to an endless present in which the party is always right.

Dave, KG5CCI

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 8:14 AM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
wrote:

> The candidate felt that since I wrote the letter, that the return address
> should be mine. I didn't ask for it, I especially did not ask for my home
> address, which is not in the call book, to be used. As it happens, I found
> out about one silent key member in the return mail, which I passed on and
> promptly forgot. I work for lawyers all day in my consulting business, and
> thus I read the rules, I understand the rules, I follow the rules. These
> are not, by the way, Robert's Rules of Order. These are things like what a
> director is responsible for, and how to run an election. It really bothers
> me that the incumbents didn't know those rules.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 10:11 PM Kevin <wa7fwf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well Bruce,
> >
> >    Something doesn't jive here,  " I didn't do the mailing . I only wrote
> > the content "  then it seems the candidate would have been the person
> that
> > was dealing with the bulk mailer and would have had their return address
> > listed and it would not have been your home address on it.
> >
> >    Guess it's time to pick a different bulk mailer.
> >
> >
> > Kevin WA7FWF #19623
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/12/2020 9:48 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >
> > Kevin,
> >
> > No, I never saw the mailing list . I didn't do the mailing . I only wrote
> > the content .
> >
> > So, why was I involved at all ?
> >
> > I won't say I'm the best tech evangelist you know, because that is for
> > other people to judge. However, if you count the Open Source movement in
> > software; the campaign for the elimination of the Morse code requirement
> > for Amateur Radio licenses, which among other things I got on the front
> > page of the New York Times, above the fold; My work to help elect a new
> > ARRL board to end the confidentiality versus transparency debacle; And my
> > global appearance for IBM's "Dear Tech", campaign, which got at least
> 50000
> > television and Internet airplays;
> >
> > If you count all those things, I am probably the person you want
> > introducing you as a candidate, and I might be a good person to tell you
> > how to run a campaign.
> >
> > As it happens I wrote my own campaign, which I was going to put out under
> > my own name, endorsing those candidates. And then the candidates chose to
> > use it as their main campaign statement. This was very flattering and
> > entirely their own choice.
> >
> > As an ARRL member, it was my right to participate in their election, and
> > it is my right to participate in AMSAT's.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bruce K6BP
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:29 PM Kevin <wa7fwf at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bruce,
> >>    So hang on a moment, you're telling me that the candidates are
> allowed
> >> to use the mailing list for their campaign (fine), but rather than them
> >> doing it themselves they turned the task over to you? So you were in
> >> possession of the mailing list and then you turned it over to the bulk
> >> mailing center when you authored the mailer?
> >>
> >> Kevin WA7FWF #19623
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/12/2020 9:08 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >>
> >> The candidates are allowed the use of the mailing list for their
> >> campaign. If you read the bylaws, they make it very clear. One of the
> >> candidates did all of the handling of the mailing list.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, the board was not aware that they had to give the mailing
> >> list to the candidates. This was something the candidates had to tell
> them,
> >> after I read the bylaws. Had the board run things the way they desired,
> >> only a board controlled 200 word statement would have reached you from
> the
> >> candidates, except for the incumbents, who have had free use of AMSAT's
> >> official publications to carry their opinions.
> >>
> >> In a more perfect world, the board would have known their own bylaws, or
> >> at least the secretary who was running the election would have read
> them.
> >>
> >> But in a more perfect world, two people were trying to reform the
> >> organization with not face quite this uphill a battle.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:00 PM Kevin <wa7fwf at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well how did the bulk mailing company get the AMSAT member mailing list
> >>> if AMSAT did not provide it?
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/12/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The mailing list was never compromised. But my HOME address, under
> "Open
> >>> Research Institute" was used as the return address. This was a mistake
> and
> >>> I didn't ask for it. I was, however, the author of the mailer, in
> which I
> >>> introduced the candidates. The mailing was done by a bulk Mail company
> and
> >>> did not involve me. I got one returned letter, informed someone
> responsible
> >>> who had a right to see that address, and promptly forgot it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>   Hello All,
> >>>>
> >>>>    In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we
> all
> >>>> received as members.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Leadership_Explains_Legal_Expenses.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed
> >>>> before.
> >>>>
> >>>> "AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to
> >>>> Open Research Institute."
> >>>>
> >>>>     Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a
> >>>> serious
> >>>> breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost?
> >>>> was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they say
> >>>> "out in the wind"?
> >>>>
> >>>> Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack how
> >>>> ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something
> >>>> that was procured online?
> >>>>
> >>>> AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what it
> >>>> found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening in
> >>>> the future.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I look forward to an answer
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >
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