[amsat-bb] Members Please Read

[Bruce Perens]

The point I was trying to make was that by posing Robert's Rules as the
tool of unsavory individuals, you seem to pose all rules that way. I think
we should both agree that corporate directors should know their bylaws. It
was my experience that Clayton did not read them before taking on operating
the AMSAT election. AMSAT had to be told that it had a responsibility to
provide addresses to the candidates for campaigning. The bylaws also call
for the organizations publications to be available for campaigning - which
is still not being fulfilled.

Thanks

Bruce

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 12:31 AM Paul F. Merrill <marinesvcs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know what they are.  It was an example, perhaps too subtle, of the
> continually-plumbed depths of human dipshittery.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 23:01 Bruce Perens <bruce at perens.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Roberts Rules are regarding parliamentary procedure. AMSAT's bylaws are
>> at
>> https://www.amsat.org/bylaws-of-the-radio-amateur-satellite-corporation/
>> . They do not specify parliamentary procedure. They are about
>> responsibilities of a director, elections, etc. And if you have the choice,
>> Roberts is an antique, good parliamentarians use Sturgis.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 9:12 PM Paul F. Merrill via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that this mailing list has strayed from its strongest
>>> contribution:
>>> satellite information, discussion, and mentoring.
>>>
>>> I come from, and have been on the BOD of, a professional organization
>>> for a
>>> number of years now.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I know too well that an organization often lawyers up to protect
>>> itself, and in our issues, our attorney was engaged to act solely on
>>> behalf
>>> of the Organization and not necessarily current management.
>>>
>>> This thread has turned in to a long, ugly diatribe filled with
>>> accusations,
>>> counter-accusations, and painfully-obvious shills.  I am a
>>> recently-renewed
>>> member who doesn’t have a dog in the fight, so I just want what’s best
>>> for
>>> AMSAT.
>>>
>>> Sadly, the stereotypes are starting to show - the members who contribute
>>> nothing but want to tear down those “In power,” the members who
>>> contribute
>>> nothing and don’t want anyone to make waves, and the few who actually do
>>> anything.  As a number of people have commented, working in a non-profit
>>> or
>>> unpaid leadership role is utterly thankless, which is lost on many
>>> people -
>>> especially those who have never labored in this sort of endeavor.
>>>
>>> My favorite story from our times of trouble is when our Parliamentarian
>>> said, “Roberts Rules are the last refuge of a scoundrel.  Grown men and
>>> women should be able to comport themselves reasonably...but then I’d be
>>> out
>>> of a job.”   I’m taking a little license with his exact words, but the
>>> sentiment, along with my experience, formed my native distrust of those
>>> who
>>> are right and everyone and everything before them is wrong.  So...there’s
>>> my bias.  I will examine that, and all the information I can before I
>>> vote.  I hope everyone else will take the time and expend the effort to
>>> vote as intelligently as they can.
>>>
>>> My overriding guidance to my Association is that we contribute to the
>>> group
>>> so that we all benefit from the group.  A strong organization should
>>> outlive us.
>>>
>>> Personally, I can’t wait to vote and hopefully put a fork in this.
>>>
>>> Paul / W7IV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ————————-
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:27:24 -0700
>>> From: "Daron Wilson" <daron at wilson.org>
>>> To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
>>> Message-ID: <00b501d658bd$26119cc0$7234d640$@org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites
>>> operations still?   Asking for a friend.  This is getting old.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daron N7HQR
>>>
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