[amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..

[David J. Schmocker]

Everyone:
Thank you; the tone of my email asked for this.

I am not a whining proponent.   Let me end this thread just as abruptly 
as I started it.

I realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO.  Given a goal of DXCC, 
the situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest).   Of 
course I know about the GOLF efforts.

I failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a 
stretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO.   The idea 
previously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world 
seems most prudent.

very 73,

Dave KJ9I

On 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
> and that's not counting AO40,
>
>
>
> Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN
> -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM
> To: David J. Schmocker
> Cc: AMSAT BB
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
>
> David,
>
> "Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.  How is DXing possible without
> HEO?"
>
> It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
> I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
> that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
> able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via 
> LEO)
> is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
> RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
>
> People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a 
> look at
> orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
> on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
> venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. 
> LEO
> DX is 100% possible!
>
> Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
> donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
> design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
> think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
>
> Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
> page!
> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/ 
>
>
> MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun 
> and
> allow me to work many more DX.
>
>
> /R
> KI7UNJ
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> Everyone:
>> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
>> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
>>
>> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.  How is DXing possible 
>> without HEO?
>>
>> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
>> height.
>>
>> very 73,
>>
>> Dave KJ9I
>>
>> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
>> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
>> > significant HEO projects.
>> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
>> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
>> > or ARISS.
>> >
>> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
>> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
>> > an earth station.
>> >
>> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
>> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood?  Anybody ever give him a
>> > call?
>> >
>> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
>> > embargoing technology.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Donate early, donate often.
>> >
>> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
>> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
>> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
>> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
>> > all about.
>> >  --- Zach
>> > N0ZGO"
>> >
>> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
>> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
>> >
>> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
>> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
>> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
>> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
>> > Executive Vice President
>> > AMSAT"
>> >
>> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why 
>> no > HEO?
>> >
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