[amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..

Thu Jun 18 17:04:09 UTC 2020

Dave,

I'm pretty sure people have gotten DXCC via LEO sats, or for certain many
ops have more than a "handful".

You do know you could work portable? Go to the east coast work a ton of EU,
then come over to the west coast pick up HI/JAPAN/RUSSIA/AK, then head
south to Florida and work all the SA countries, and islands to your heart's
content.  However, if you plan on sitting in a shack your limiting yourself.

But let's say you don't wanna work portable...Just for fun, I drew a
circle with a 8,000km radius from EN53qb, and I can tell you there is more
than 100 DX in that circle.

And really would SAT DXCC via a well placed GEO SAT be that fun or
exciting? You would just sit there and make contacts all day, and the
challenge/fun would be sorta just be gone, IMO.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:43 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:

> Everyone:
> Thank you; the tone of my email asked for this.
>
> I am not a whining proponent.   Let me end this thread just as abruptly
> as I started it.
>
> I realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO.  Given a goal of DXCC,
> the situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest).   Of
> course I know about the GOLF efforts.
>
> I failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a
> stretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO.   The idea
> previously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world
> seems most prudent.
>
> very 73,
>
> Dave KJ9I
>
> On 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
> > and that's not counting AO40,
> >
> >
> >
> > Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN
> > -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB
> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM
> > To: David J. Schmocker
> > Cc: AMSAT BB
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
> >
> > David,
> >
> > "Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.  How is DXing possible without
> > HEO?"
> >
> > It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck
> > I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in
> > that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even
> > able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via
> > LEO)
> > is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via
> > RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
> >
> > People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a
> > look at
> > orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX
> > on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or
> > venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass.
> > LEO
> > DX is 100% possible!
> >
> > Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or
> > donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the
> > design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they
> > think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
> >
> > Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this
> > page!
> >
> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/
> >
> >
> > MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun
> > and
> > allow me to work many more DX.
> >
> >
> > /R
> > KI7UNJ
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb at amsat.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Everyone:
> >> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?"
> >> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
> >>
> >> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.  How is DXing possible
> >> without HEO?
> >>
> >> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital
> >> height.
> >>
> >> very 73,
> >>
> >> Dave KJ9I
> >>
> >> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate
> >> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no
> >> > significant HEO projects.
> >> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year
> >> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects
> >> > or ARISS.
> >> >
> >> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered
> >> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building
> >> > an earth station.
> >> >
> >> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT
> >> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood?  Anybody ever give him a
> >> > call?
> >> >
> >> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by
> >> > embargoing technology.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Donate early, donate often.
> >> >
> >> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
> >> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,
> >> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,
> >> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is
> >> > all about.
> >> >  --- Zach
> >> > N0ZGO"
> >> >
> >> > "There are many political and economic factors that made the
> >> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
> >> >
> >> > "the most senior political official we've had who was
> >> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg
> >> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels
> >> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
> >> >
> >> > 73,
> >> >
> >> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> >> > Executive Vice President
> >> > AMSAT"
> >> >
> >> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why
> >> no > HEO?
> >> >
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